C (1:45)

I thought you wanted starters to go to the seventh inning.

B (1:47)

No, I do, but. But, but I don't like bullpen days. Oh, okay. This was not a bullpen day.

C (1:52)

It became.

B (1:53)

It became that capable. The Bible goes out there. He starts the capable guy.

C (1:57)

Yeah.

B (1:58)

And they depend on him. And he goes. He gets him at least into the fifth. And then they go with the relievers. It's still pitching October baseball. Those games yesterday sort of led into the beginning of this game. I know it got out of hand with the home runs that Cleveland hit.

C (2:13)

Yeah.

B (2:13)

But 313-12-12, you know, three of the games yesterday.

C (2:16)

And now, here's what I would say about this game. This is exactly the way the series should play out. It should be one to one. There should be a winner take all game between these two teams. And you get what happened today was you get the big bang homerun in the bottom of the eighth. And you say to yourself, okay, that's all we're gonna get. We gotta see, do we have a closer? All we need is three outs. Can we exhale? At some point? But then they get more runs, more home runs, more runs. So then it becomes very, very easy. The difference between this game and the game before yesterday's game was that the pitching, the scuba pitching and all of that lasted longer into the game. But to me, this is sort of the way this series is supposed to go. Cause I know you don't want to hear this, that it's regional, even though I think it's regional. But you get the sense that you're sort of in a loop. This is the eighth game we've seen with these two teams in.

B (3:09)

I was fine with this series. I didn't want to see it right away. I didn't want to see it in the first round. But we got it in the first round.

C (3:14)

Let me go to one play, because it changes the game.

B (3:16)

Okay? I know what you're going to get to.

C (3:17)

This is the throw to third base. I had to say one one game, and the Tigers are going to third base, and a run is going to score. It's going to be 2:1. You're going to have a man on third in a 2:1 game with two outs, one out, whatever it is. And there's a replay of the slide, and the player slides and his right hand is going to be safe on the base. But it doesn't hit the base. His left hand hits the base. The tag is put on him. After watching the replay, they reverse the call, which was a safe call.

B (3:48)

Did you change your mind?

C (3:49)

No. I thought he was out all along. I thought he was out all along. They reverse that, and they take away the run. So now, instead of a 2:1 game, or maybe more, it's 1:1. And Cleveland is still in the game.

B (3:58)

Homer, let me ask you one other thing. There's a bigger issue than that one play. How are you on three straight games, all three games in one city? How are you on that?

C (4:08)

You earned it. You earn it. I mean, especially if you're in the same division. You beat that team, you win it, you earn it.

B (4:14)

And Cleveland overtook.

C (4:15)

I'm good with that.

B (4:16)

Detroit.

C (4:16)

I'm good with that.

B (4:17)

I'm certainly good with that in this season.

C (4:18)

Of course, you took him because you got the Cubs that way. So you earned it.

B (4:21)

Yeah, sort of. Let's move to last night's playoff games, beginning with Boston's 31 win over the Yanks. Red Sox starter Garrett Crochet struck out 11 and at one point retired 17 straight Yankees. For his part, New York's Max Freed held Boston scoreless through six and a third. But the floodgates opened after Aaron Boone pulled Freed, his ace, in favor of a shaky bullpen. We knew it was shaky. Tony, are you crediting Crochet for the Sox win or you blaming Boonie for the quick hook?

C (4:57)

Yeah, have a sandwich. I'm gonna talk for a while. I'm crediting Crochet. Okay. Crochet goes out there, he throws a career high 117 pitches. He gives up a home run in the second inning and nothing else. And he strikes at 11. Had Tarek Skubal not pitched earlier in the day and done the same thing, allowed one run, go deep in the game and strike, we'd only be talking about Crochet. All right. And by the way, that's a tough vote for AL Cy Young. It is.

B (5:24)

That's really hard.

C (5:25)

So now why am I. I'm supposed to blame Boone because he took out Free.

B (5:29)

I thought it was too quick in real time. What did you say?

C (5:31)

Okay. No, I did. I'm going to tell you this. I thought in the fourth. Fourth inning and the fifth inning, they began to get to Freed a little bit, though not on the scoreboard. I thought the last pitch he threw, which resulted in that three, one out at first base, I thought that ball was hit very hard. I had no problem in the moment going to the bullpen. Except.

B (5:50)

Except.

C (5:51)

Except it's a 437 ERA. Look, that reliever spit the bit. That. That's okay.

B (5:59)

But Max Freed is going to spit the bit.

C (6:02)

If you stay with free, he's thrown 102 pitches. If you leave him in for 10 more pitches, he's got the most he's pitched all year. I guess you could do it. I'm just saying I had no problem at the time. That's not the play of the game. That's not what matters. What matters is in the bottom of the ninth, the Yankees get bases loaded with how many out? Mike, load them up with nobody out, nobody out. And they don't.

B (6:21)

They're also Facing one of the great closers of all time.

C (6:26)

Now 53 years old. Yeah. Okay.

B (6:28)

What was his last pitch?

C (6:29)

Okay. 101. All right. Okay. So Stanton gets up and strikes out. Do you think about pinch hitting for him and putting a contact hitter up there? I don't know. Then you have the fly to right field and you hold the runner at third. You gotta go first of all. The throw is up the line. He went.

B (6:44)

It's on contact.

C (6:46)

The throw is up the line. He didn't go. He held back. He could have scored. The important thing is to get the runner from second to third.

B (6:53)

Because that's true.

C (6:54)

That's the time. Run.

B (6:55)

It is. You want to get that runner over. I talked like crazy, but let me. You did.

C (6:59)

I don't blame you.

B (7:00)

This is an i95 series. This is your. These are your teams. Let me go back to one thing. Let's go back to Max Freed. We just talked about this. With crochet.

C (7:07)

You.

B (7:07)

He went 117. I know that wasn't a career high.

C (7:11)

Now 117 was a career high.

B (7:13)

Is it a career high for career. As much as I like Bybey getting into the fifth, crochet going 1:17.

C (7:20)

Yes.

B (7:20)

You got to leave Freed out there.

C (7:22)

I don't know.

B (7:22)

I don't know that two at that hard hit balls are going to get me. And I'm not a guy who criticizes Boonie.

C (7:28)

I love that. At that moment. Did you think he went too soon?

B (7:31)

Yes.

C (7:31)

At that moment, I did not. Because righties are coming up, but especially.

B (7:34)

The guy you got out there. Your opposite number. You know crochet is going to stay out there. And the Red Sox are not going remove him and go to the pin.

C (7:40)

But righty is coming up. Do you want lefty? Righty? No, you don't. Not to me. Not to me. We stay with baseball. Baseball's great at this point in time. We go to last night's late game where The Dodgers hit five home runs. They buried the Reds 10 to 5. Both Shohei Ohtani and Teoscar Hernandez hit two home runs. Shohei set the tone by hitting a leadoff home run in the bottom of the first inning. Blake Snell won seven innings. That's the most he's ever gone in postseason play. Wilbomb, what did last night's results say to you?

B (8:08)

The Dodgers are just so much better. Didn't say anything that we didn't think yesterday we talked about who among the saw Dodgers and the Yankees and Yankees was vulnerable. We both said the Yankees well, it played out and then that was no game.

C (8:20)

That's right.

B (8:20)

I know. I was going to call you, except I know when it got to five, nothing, you were. Night night. Steph Curry.

C (8:26)

I know it was night night.

B (8:27)

So that didn't even bother. And I decided to go to the WNBA game, which had some juice to it, because that game didn't. Because Shohei walks up there, tight end that he is beast, and he hits it out. And the second, you said to me the first home run was great. No, the second home run had to go travel further. It was Ruthie. And he does this. And when he's in the leadoff position, it could be demoralizing for the opponent. And Cincinnati's not good enough. That's my takeaway.

C (8:57)

So this is the only series, if you ask me to bet on one series that I thought would go two. This was the series. This one that I would have bet on because I think that the Dodgers are demonstrably better in almost every way than Cincinnati. I'm happy. Cincinnati 0 happy for Terry Franco. I am too. But this is the end of the road for them. I'll just give you a couple of numbers here. Dodgers won 93 games this year. Cincinnati won 83. Dodgers have three hitters who hit 25 or more home runs and they got two guys who hit 20 or more. That's a total of five. Cincinnati's got a 21 and a 22. The Dodgers have five regulars who hit at least two hundred and seventy. Cincinnati doesn't have any. The offensive circumstance here is okay.

B (9:39)

But here they go out and here's their Achilles heel. And they both trade for, sign and develop. They do all of it.

C (9:47)

Here's their Achilles heel. What? The end of that game, their bullpen in two innings allowed three runs and four walks. You cannot do that.

B (9:55)

Well, they do.

C (9:56)

Can't have four walks.

B (9:56)

They do. The Dodger and the Yankees both have some bullpen issues as we look at those series.

C (10:02)

Yeah.

B (10:03)

So. Yeah. But the Dodgers know this is. We both love to see Terry Francona in a position where he's in the postseason. But they're going night night soon, too. For the whole Series.

C (10:12)

And the Dodgers. The Dodgers.

B (10:13)

Let me just say this. If the Dodgers even go three, the panic in the streets of LA will be amazing.

C (10:20)

Well, we don't know. Neither of us think it's going to go three. Let's take a break. Coming up, can the Giants teach Jackson Dart to avoid so many hits? We will ask Ste.

B (10:29)

Well, also ask him why Turf toe has such a hugely negative impact on quarterbacks.

C (10:36)

I love this baseball. Cause I watched a team that can't do this right. A team that won likes to play.

B (10:41)

Baseball's great because we're not gonna talk about Jerry Jones every day on this show. We're not doing that on this show. You turn elsewhere and get Pardon the.

C (10:49)

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D (12:28)

Welcome back to Pardon the Interruption presented by Twisted Tea Hard Iced Tea, part of Happy hour.

C (12:42)

We have some NFL questions for our great friend and the man whose spiral I tightened up in a one on one session in the summer of 1987.

B (12:50)

Wow.

C (12:50)

Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young. Let's start with Jackson Darth. He seemed to bring a different dimension to the Giants, but he got hit 25 times. Steve six sacks, nine more hits in the pocket, and ten times on runs. Can you teach a young quarterback how not to take hits?

D (13:09)

Yeah, don't play is the first if you already did. But the thing about young quarterbacks is their mind is clearer because it hasn't been the first off season when the coaches Just pour stuff onto a quarterback, especially if they're going to play a lot. And that's when things get really confusing. So he's got a purity of his game right now where it's like, look, just go with your instinct. Go with what you know. And it's kind of a fake it till you make it kind of an environment where you don't really know what you're doing, but you know enough. And so then it becomes, okay, how much do I put myself at risk? And I don't think a young quarterback does a great job of navigating that. It takes time to realize that you want to play for a long time and how to get to the ground and what's worth it and what's not worth it. And when you're young, you're like, everything's worth it. I'm just. I'm in. And I think that's the danger of a young player, especially a dynamic player like Jackson, who has now the excitement of the city. He's walking around today downtown in Manhattan. Yeah, you're the man, Jackson. You're the king. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, I got to do more of that. So it's a. It's a tender walk right now with a young quarterback.

B (14:11)

Steve Brock Purdy has been hampered by turf toe and is now out. Been declared out for the upcoming game. Of course, you know what Joe Burrow is out for forever in a day with a toe injury. I don't remember you missing time with an injured toe, but take us through this and what it does to a quarterback. A toe injury.

D (14:31)

Yeah, I mean, it's the ligament of the big toe. And if you think about, like, if you're. He's righty. So it's on his right foot and that's the. That's the plant foot. That's. Think about standing on your heel off of your toes and trying to jump. You can't even get air. So the whole throw is really through your right big toe, if you want to think about that way. And so in that. So for Brock, you saw him last week, he had to stay off of it. So what you do is you start your throwing motion. You can't dig in with your toe, so you come over the top like a. Like an ant, like a catapult, right? And then all of a sudden, the throws are high. They're not as, you know, as crisp. And it's like you have to manage. Now, look, you know, people play hurt all the time, so you manage it. You have to Figure it out. But you know that like your thumb on a throwing hand, the big toe and the thumb are kind of related in how much drama there is in trying to overcome an injury like that.

B (15:21)

Your Niners face the Rams tomorrow night and Puka Nkua has 42 catches through four games. I know he's in the wrong jersey now, but he was in the jersey you guys shared at one point, both BYU guys. What are you seeing in Puka Nukua that makes him so effective and how does he just burst on like this basically in a season plus?

D (15:44)

Yeah, it's crazy, right? Because it's the subtleties of Puka. He's a big boy. Like, he's a big man. Like he's somebody that he's up against people. He's maybe 15, 20 pounds heavier than, but yet has the subtlety of movement that usually the smaller guys can catch up or they can over overwhelm you with speed or change of direction. But Puka is so smooth that he's running routes and they're late, even though they might be slightly faster, they're late to Puka and he has hands that are like Jerry Rice. Like, if it's near, it's I have it, it's mine and I'm going to. And there's like he, like a vacuum almost. So to me, Puka is that person that I think a lot of people overlooked because you can't really understand it till he's on the field. And when you watch him, he kind of defies the eye and it's his size and how smooth he is that kind of fools you. And also he's in the end zone and I think he's going to have a career like none other. He's amazing. He's dominant in, you know, as a second, third year guy. He's a dominant wide receiver right now.

C (16:46)

Steve, we will get you out of here on this. The Chiefs have gone from 02 now to 2. 2. You played on a Niners team that was so good for so long. Do you always assume you'll be good or are there times when you have doubts?

D (17:05)

You get used to having, you know, Jim Nance and Tony Romo come in on Thursday, Friday or Saturday. You get used to being the game of the week. You get used to every game is important. You get used to everybody. You play as their homecoming game where they're like super focused and fired up and super motivated. You get weird comments from defenders that say, I'm going to hit him harder this week because, you know, and so you just, you get used to all of that focus and that builds a muscle and a muscle that doesn't just go away. Now what happens? Tony, to your point, there's an ebb and flow, especially in free agencies, ebb and flow every year of who you have. But one thing, one thing is for sure, if you consistency and ownership of a focus of being great, which the hunts are, you have a coach that is as an innovative and reinvents himself over and over and over again continuously. Never gets old in Andy Reid. There's that consistency of message of values of what you're going to who you are and then you build a locker room like it you can take change over. And I don't think it's doubt necessarily. You say do you have doubts? You just have some ebbs and flows of excellence and you have to kind of work through them. And I think that they've done that through the years and that's the great teams. You know, the Eagles have done that, the 49ers have done that. The Rams are doing it. Like there's teams that have kind of gone through the machinations of it all. And because of the values and what I told you as a kind of underpinnings of foundation, it never goes away. You can still build off of it, especially when you have the best quarterback in football. By the way.

C (18:36)

Yeah, I was going to say you need to mention Mahomes at some point. Thank you Steve, as always.

B (18:40)

Much thanks Steve.

D (18:42)

Okay, see you boys.

C (18:44)

Let's take one last break. Still to come, the Browns make a change at quarterback and the fever and.

B (18:49)

Aces go to OT in game five.

C (18:51)

So which I sports writers for a million years. We learn something when we talk to Steve Young.

B (18:57)

Every time.

C (18:57)

Yeah, every time.

B (18:59)

I told you I did that when I was flying to San Francisco in the league.

C (19:04)

I don't ever think I can learn anymore. I think I know everything. I don't.

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D (21:05)

Pardon the interruption is presented by the.

C (21:08)

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D (21:10)

Hard iced tea.

C (21:12)

Please drink responsibly. Part of happy hour. Happy time people. Happy 33rd birthday. Xander Bogarts In December of 2022, Bogarts signed a huge free agent deal with the Padres for $280 million over 11 years and left the Red Sox where he had been a four time All Star, a five time Silver Slugger at short and a member of two World Series champions. Bogarts went to the Padres as a shortstop as Fernando Tatis Jr. The former shortstop moved to the outfield. Bogaerts has not been as successful in San Diego as he was in Boston. No All Star Games, no Silver Sluggers and he's been hurt by injuries. In 2024, Bogaerts played in only 111 games this year. He played in 136, batted.263 with 11 homers and 53 RBI and he got two hits yesterday against your Cubs.

B (22:01)

Talk about what he hasn't done yet. The one take I think the Dodgers would not want to see advance and have to meet them would be the Padres and Bogarts is in the lineup that includes those guys you mentioned, Manny Machado and Tatis. I know you're not impressed with that lineup. Not as much as I am.

C (22:17)

Not as much as you. Doesn't compare to me. To the Phillies. Happy anniversary, Matt Holiday. On this day 18 years ago, holiday scored the winning run for the Rockies to take the NL wild card tiebreaker game over the Padres in 13 innings. Replays show that Padres catcher Michael Barrett blocked the plate from Holliday's hand. But umpire Tim McClelland did not have access to review and called Holiday safe. The Rockies went all the way to the World Series where they were swept by Boston. Holiday won a World Series in 2011 with the Cardinals, was a seven time All Star, a four time Silver Slugger and a career.299 hitter. Now he's better known as the father of Jackson, the Orioles second baseman and Ethan, who was just drafted fourth overall by Colorado.

B (23:00)

Isn't Holiday a Cardinal to you?

C (23:04)

Yes.

B (23:05)

Eight years with the Cardinals. Six years though in Colorado. So it wasn't the disparity that I thought.

C (23:09)

299 to me.

B (23:11)

299. I did not realize that's right at it man.

C (23:14)

Happy trails to the Indiana Fever. It took overtime in the fifth and final game of the series. But the Las Vegas Aces finally eliminated the Underwater Dog fever last night. 107 to 98. Indiana's odyssey. Sims scored 10 of her 27 points in the fourth to force overtime after the Fever lost Kelsey Mitchell to injury and Aaliyah Boston to foul trouble. Vegas was led by Asia Wilson's 35 and Jackie Young's 32. But it was Chelsea Gray's nine overtime points that helped seal the Aces third trip to the WNBA Finals in four years. Vegas meets Phoenix in game one on Friday.

B (23:47)

We're have plenty of time to celebrate. Vegas, which deserves it, has earned it. But today let me celebrate Stephanie White. She's got nobody out there. People are injured and in and they're sitting on the bench in street clothes and they keep playing. What a. What a great coach and staff she's.

C (24:04)

Got and is that league fires every coach. You don't fire her. You do not fire her.

B (24:09)

By the way, that game should have awakened you last night. It's a great game for the Fever with no roster to push them into overtime in Vegas.

C (24:18)

Come on now, let's go to the big finish. The Browns are benching Joe Flacco. They're starting rookie Dylan Gabriel at quarterback. Does that make sense to you?

B (24:25)

I don't have space for the Browns.

C (24:27)

They're just.

B (24:27)

They're irrelevant. I don't have consideration. Brian Snitker will not return as Braves manager. You're not surprised. No.

C (24:35)

They finished 10 games under.500. And I expected this at the end of the season, not in the middle. Seth Curry is joining Steph Curry on the Warriors. Do you like that?

B (24:44)

Some numbers. Seth Curry, 43.3%, three point shooter career brother Steph, 42.3. Huh?

C (24:52)

Yeah.

B (24:52)

Who do you want?

C (24:53)

Guess that. Who do you want? If you put them both on the table, who do you want?

B (24:56)

To give Seth some love?

C (24:57)

Who do you pick?

B (24:58)

The Rockies dismissed GM Bill Schmidt after 119 lost season. Does that make sense?

C (25:04)

Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Who do you pick? Seth or Steph? Come on. Who do you pick?

B (25:08)

I'm just saying. Can you give him some love?

C (25:10)

I did. Who do you pick? Last one. Gail Monfe says he will retire at the end of the 2026 season. Are you sad?

B (25:17)

I thought he was gone like seven years ago. He's 39. Come on, man.

C (25:21)

We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Cornheart.

B (25:24)

I'm Mike Lobon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads. Tony, Seth Curry should have been on the Warriors. Why the warriors just now getting the to bring in Lil Brock. He's got a better three point shooting.

C (25:35)

Who would you take? Who would you take? Steph.

B (25:38)

Thank you.

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B (25:46)

How can she go missing on a military base?

C (25:48)

That's too ridiculous. What would come to light is horrifying.

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