Tony Kornheiser (2:25)

So if you ask me, what did I see? I saw a game that at a football school, a football school, people would be on the phone calling their friends, saying, what's the buyout? What's the buyout?

Mike Wilbon (2:35)

Like Alabama? And we'll get to that.

Tony Kornheiser (2:37)

And we'll get to that, and we will get to that, Right? So, I mean, Belichick presented himself the way he always presents himself. He's on the sideline. He's, you know, got that stoic look on his face, and he's got the sleeves cut on a sweatshirt. But his team did not present itself in the way that the great New England teams presented themselves. After that first drive, there was no offense. They had the kind of offense that the Patriots had after Brady left and drove Belichick out of New England, and defense was terrible. And he's a defensive guy. So by the end of the game, I'm looking at him saying, well, he doesn't look stoic anymore. It looks like, get me out of here. Now, it's one game. You know, it's just one game. And you have to take that into consideration. The same thing as you have to do with Arch Manning. It's just one game. They have a very young team. They have 70 new players. They have all new coaches and 70 new players. So it takes time to gel. Now, it's possible, and I know you think this, too, it's possible. Carolina's terrible, but it's also possible that they get better.

Mike Wilbon (3:34)

They have a very easy schedule, is real good again.

Tony Kornheiser (3:38)

So they have UNC Charlotte, which is easy. They have Richmond, which is easy. And by the way, they don't get.

Mike Wilbon (3:43)

To Clemson in the acc.

Tony Kornheiser (3:45)

No, but they don't.

Mike Wilbon (3:46)

They don't get to Clemson.

Tony Kornheiser (3:47)

The good teams are. Miami is a good team and. And Florida State may be good, and Clemson is usually good, and SMU is good. They only have to play Clemson, so they get a break in the schedule.

Mike Wilbon (3:57)

I tell you that. The thing that got to me is that knowing how long I covered a lot of college football, knowing how long halftime is, which is about a half an hour, you can go out and shop for groceries at halftime of a college football game. That's where Belichick always was lauded as doing his best work. And they come out and TCU goes right down the field. It. That got me. I just thought, what was it? 20 to. I don't know, 20 to 7, maybe at halftime. And I'm thinking, okay, Belichick's going to be Belichick at halftime. They're going to climb back in this game. And they did.

Tony Kornheiser (4:28)

But I can't stress this enough. North Carolina is not a Football school. It's a basketball school. He's got some time and he filled the gym. They're not firing him. If he goes 011, that's not going to happen. Now, I would sing different tune if that was Hubert Davis first game, but it isn't.

Mike Wilbon (4:45)

He's still stunning. Let's move now to the rest of College Football's Week 1 slate. Arch Manning underwhelmed in Texas's loss at Ohio State. Florida State ran all over the previously mentioned Alabama. Notre Dame's fourth quarter rally fell short at Miami and LSU held on to be Clemson at. Well, maybe Death Valley.

Tony Kornheiser (5:08)

The other one.

Mike Wilbon (5:08)

Yeah. Tone, there was a whole lot going on. What was your biggest takeaway from week one?

Tony Kornheiser (5:13)

So normally I would sit here and I would say it's Ohio State beating Texas because you have reputedly. The number one team this year in Texas goes to Ohio State, which the defending national champion from last year. You have the primetime debut of Arch Manning. And so it's got everything now, even though it's a dull game and even though Ohio State wins just by seven at home and even though, as you say, Manning is underwhelming. Normally we would say that's the biggest deal because 1 versus 2. But that's not the biggest story. The biggest story is Alabama. Alabama losing. Alabama losing to Florida state, which was 2 and 10 last year.

Mike Wilbon (5:48)

Yeah.

Tony Kornheiser (5:48)

Alabama now in its last 10 games, 5 and 5. These are numbers unheard of with Nick Saban.

Mike Wilbon (5:54)

And one of those is probably against Samford.

Tony Kornheiser (5:56)

Nick Saban, FBS coaches 230 games at Alabama and four times loses to unranked teams. Caitlin DeBoer has now coached 14 games is the fourth time he's also an unranked team. So I will sit here and say Alabama's not North Carolina.

Mike Wilbon (6:11)

No.

Tony Kornheiser (6:11)

Alabama is a football school. Kaylen DeBore is in trouble and if the buyout isn't $70 million, he might be walking the streets tonight.

Mike Wilbon (6:19)

Yeah, because Alabama doesn't have those Texas A and M oil fields.

Tony Kornheiser (6:22)

No.

Mike Wilbon (6:23)

That every alum at A and M seems to have and is happy to write a check himself or herself for $70 million.

Tony Kornheiser (6:30)

Hello. Jimbo Fisher.

Mike Wilbon (6:31)

That's right. But Tony. So let's go back to the Ohio State Texas game for a second. That. Here's what stood out to me Week one and all the days leading up to week one. I don't want mass media, major media networks, including people that we like to call our friends, to just ruin the watching of college football. For me, the consumption of college Football by exaggerating the hell out of everything, by overstating everything. Arch Manning is not Peyton or Eli or Archie just yet. Just let him. Just let him simmer a little bit.

Tony Kornheiser (7:04)

Let it percolate.

Mike Wilbon (7:05)

Jeremiah Smith, he is not Jerry Rice just yet. I heard somebody who I probably like a lot say, probably somebody I covered say he's the best college football player I've ever seen. You know, my recommendation would be then watch more college football over the last 50 years, because he ain't the best I've seen. He's made some great catches and things that make you go, whoo. But can we just stop? The greatest weekend. I mean, all of it is just slobbered over.

Tony Kornheiser (7:34)

Fabulous opening weekend in terms of.

Mike Wilbon (7:37)

In terms of matchups. We intended to see that and we didn't get it.

Tony Kornheiser (7:41)

Yeah, right.

Mike Wilbon (7:42)

The Miami, Notre Dame game kind of lived up to it. Lsu, Clemson has some.

Tony Kornheiser (7:47)

Give LSU some credit. I think that's the first time that Brian Kelly has won at LSU in the opener.

Mike Wilbon (7:52)

It was impressive.

Tony Kornheiser (7:52)

Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Wilbon (7:53)

Can we just let the season grow a little bit?

Tony Kornheiser (7:56)

Do you want to talk at all about Northwestern and Tulane? And Jake Rat slept going from BYU to Tulane.

Mike Wilbon (8:02)

I don't think you buy a little. You didn't watch that?

Tony Kornheiser (8:05)

I couldn't watch it. I don't have that. I don't have streaming for that kind of stuff. Let's move to the NFL and Michael Parsons now playing for Green Bay. Parsons has practiced a little bit, and there are reports he will take an injection if needed to play against the Lions on Sunday. Wilbourne, let's look at the trading of Michael Parsons. Yeah. What do you believe this trade will mean for Dallas and Green Bay?

Mike Wilbon (8:25)

Wow. I think it sets, obviously, Dallas back a couple of steps this season right now. And even if you turn those two picks and even if the defensive tackle you got from Detroit. I'm sorry, from Green Bay, helps you in the run game, helps you and helps you. And by the way, their run game was. We talked. People forget who talk on television. They talked for weeks at a time in the playoffs about Dallas getting run over and then act like they didn't say it or it didn't happen. Is there any accountability for Green Bay?

Tony Kornheiser (8:58)

I like your sheriff Wilbon. I like this.

Mike Wilbon (9:00)

You know, I come back angry for. This is a combative that somebody in my house calls me. I look at Green Bay and, you know, I don't want this to work because I'm.

Tony Kornheiser (9:10)

By the way, they're gonna play the Bears twice. They're gonna go After Caleb Williams, twice.

Mike Wilbon (9:15)

Okay, okay. So let's block him. Cause here's what happened with Dallas with him in the lineup. I know their rating defensively was as high as they can get with him on the field. I get it. I get that he and Reggie White are the only two people to do something together with sacks a number of in their first four seasons. But here's what Dallas didn't do. They didn't do a damn thing in the postseason. So if he's that great and rarely is a player that great, even a quarterback, where's he in the postseason? What he do? What did he do? He do anything in the postseason. Now, I think he'll be better for the packers because the packers are a better organization than the Dallas Cowboys, and that's what I fear.

Tony Kornheiser (9:53)

So I just want to say that within 10 minutes of that trade, I got this text, which I will quote. Nico Harrison is no longer the worst GM in Dallas, unquote. Which is funny. It's not quite true, because trading Luka Doncic is actually worse than this. But this is pretty bad. And it's all at the feet of Jerry Jones.

Mike Wilbon (10:12)

It's all at the feet.

Tony Kornheiser (10:13)

The statistic you are quoting that is out there is that when Parsons was on the field, they had statistically the best defense in the NFL. And when he wasn't on the field, it was the worst. If that's true. What are you doing? What are. You can't actually. You can't actually do that. You and I had this conversation, though, contemporaneously of the trade. We were both watching independently of one another, the NFL Network, and we saw the beat writer. Well, I did. Not a beat writer, but the beat person, beat reporter on Dallas. She is there every single day. She is not, as you would say, one of these guys who played in the NFL 15 years ago and floats into a talk show without any real knowledge of Dallas. Now, right now, she's there every single day. And she said, and both of us made note of this, that there were a significant amount of people on Dallas who did not think that Micah Parsons was committed to that team and are not that sorry that he's gone. Now. I. I'm.

Mike Wilbon (11:09)

Sound familiar coming out of Dallas?

Tony Kornheiser (11:11)

Yeah.

Mike Wilbon (11:11)

What about the other guy, too?

Tony Kornheiser (11:12)

I'm. I'm. I'm certain.

Mike Wilbon (11:14)

We'll see.

Tony Kornheiser (11:15)

He's a great. I wouldn't make a trade. He's a great player.

Mike Wilbon (11:17)

Better for the Packers I wouldn't have made than he was. And Reggie White. The difference is Reggie White was great. In Philly and he was great in Green Bay.

Tony Kornheiser (11:25)

I thought your head would explode because of this. Because you'll have to play the Bears twice.

Mike Wilbon (11:29)

Let's see him do something. First, that he has sacked the quarterback. He hurries him, he rushes him, he hits him. But let's see that make a difference. Is Green Bay ready for that?

Tony Kornheiser (11:39)

Let's take a break. When we come back, what are the chances that Wilbon's former neighbor Kyle Schwaber wins the NL mvp?

Mike Wilbon (11:48)

And Naomi Osaka, my fave?

Tony Kornheiser (11:51)

Yeah, you like her.

Mike Wilbon (11:51)

Knocks out Cocoa Golf to reach the quarters at the Open?

Tony Kornheiser (11:54)

You know, I think you like her too much. No, I mean, no, I'm just saying.

Mike Wilbon (11:58)

That'S what I think. She's the best out there. At her best. She's the best out there.

Tony Kornheiser (12:03)

No, no, no. Okay, Pardon the interruption is brought to you by ESPN Fantasy Football, the number one fantasy game. Download the ESPN Fantasy app to play today.

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Tony Kornheiser (14:38)

Trying to find out what's on the minds of the masses in mail times. Let me see what's first. Go to my glasses here. Here we go. Naomi Osaka beat Coco Gauff to reach the US Open quarterfinal is the bigger story here. Osaka or golf?

Mike Wilbon (14:52)

Osaka. And I'm not rooting against golf. I usually root for golf, but golf's not Osaka. Osaka's a better player. Osaka's got four Slam championships and they're all on that court. Either the US Open hardcore or the Australia Open hardcore. She knows what she's doing. She stopped. She had life things. She had a child. She's been out of it for four years and she's not all the way back. But if she does beat Mohova and IGA and Sabalenka, you know, I'm going to go nuts.

Tony Kornheiser (15:22)

Because I love Osaka. As you should.

Mike Wilbon (15:23)

She's my favorite player maybe ever. She is great. She's 5 11, which people don't realize. She can defend when she needs to play defensively. She can go on the attack and hit winner after winner. She's a better server than golf. People get off golf. Golf can't beat Osaka. Yet she's not as good as her. The story is Osaka.

Tony Kornheiser (15:43)

So you write that the story is Osaka. You're right that she's a better player than Gauff. She has four majors, Gauff has two. She's 27, Osaka. And if she played regularly, she would be in her prime. Yes, she would be in her prime.

Mike Wilbon (15:55)

But she doesn't play regularly. She has eight.

Tony Kornheiser (15:56)

Major Goff is 21 and has said publicly, let's see how I look in the next three to four years. Because she knows only fair. I just want to broaden this out a little bit cuz I know how much you love Osaka. But I think that right now, and the words right now are very important, I think right now she is not as good a player as Witek. She is not as good a player as Sabalenko. Her one and two in this tournament all of her, as you pointed out, all of her majors are on hard court.

Mike Wilbon (16:23)

Yeah.

Tony Kornheiser (16:24)

Witek has six. And on all three surfaces.

Mike Wilbon (16:28)

What surface are they playing on right now?

Tony Kornheiser (16:29)

Hardcourt. Right now, Sabalenka, I think, is the most powerful player in the women's game and has three majors. Here's what's interesting to me. All three of them have won the US Open. Let's see who bubbles up on this, by the way. Let's see.

Mike Wilbon (16:42)

In New York City, who do you think is gonna have a home court advantage in any of those matches, starting with Mahova in New York City?

Tony Kornheiser (16:49)

Osaka. Osaka.

Mike Wilbon (16:50)

Okay. And she's not even all the way back yet. I don't expect her to be, but if she does, could you see Kyle Schwaber, my boy.

Tony Kornheiser (17:01)

Yeah.

Mike Wilbon (17:03)

Beating out Shohei for NL mvp.

Tony Kornheiser (17:06)

Could I see this? Sure I could. Wow. Because Schwaber at the moment has 49 home runs, including four in one game.

Mike Wilbon (17:15)

Runs batted in.

Tony Kornheiser (17:16)

Okay. Shohei has 45 home runs.

Mike Wilbon (17:19)

Yeah. Schwaber has 119, 34 runs batted in.

Tony Kornheiser (17:25)

I think Shohei has 85.

Mike Wilbon (17:27)

Yeah.

Tony Kornheiser (17:27)

They both play DH. They both lead off.

Mike Wilbon (17:31)

Yeah.

Tony Kornheiser (17:32)

I could see this happening the way that I could see Cal Rawley beating Judge. A lot of it is voter fatigue after a while. Now you can. And also, by the way, I should point this out. Philadelphia has a better record than the Dodgers gave me. Half, too, but it's better. It's better right now. Better. So now the other part is you will say to me, well, they have Trey Turner and Bryce Harper. And I will say to you, well, they have Mookie Matt. Pretty equal. I agree with that. So could I see it?

Mike Wilbon (17:57)

Sure.

Tony Kornheiser (17:57)

But there's one question you have to answer for.

Mike Wilbon (17:59)

What?

Tony Kornheiser (18:00)

How many innings is Schwarber gonna pitch? Well, because that's what makes value.

Mike Wilbon (18:05)

Okay. But you know, Shohei's won it. And he only DH'd. He didn't pitch a damn inning. That would be last year. But now he's so Schwaber has something that is surprising. I am biased for my friend. I know.245 major league average. Now, in these years where no one hits.300, I don't know what's happened to baseball. Everybody wants to swing and miss.

Tony Kornheiser (18:26)

Yeah.

Mike Wilbon (18:27)

The major league average is.248, I believe. Or at least it was.

Tony Kornheiser (18:31)

So it's not like he's batting.190, which.

Mike Wilbon (18:33)

He has done that Rob Deer thing in the past. That's right. And show hate's hitting.275. 278. It's not like it's so no, I. I want it happens at the end the 30 RBI. That means you are driving in runs. I don't care how new school you are with your baseball metrics. Don't tell me that a run batted in doesn't count for much cuz that's garbage. Yeah, I would vote for Schwerber. Let me tell me how many innings that Shohei pitches. Don't get me going to the second inning. And he's Dr. He's out.

Tony Kornheiser (19:04)

He's pitching more now.

Mike Wilbon (19:06)

I think he went five the other night.

Tony Kornheiser (19:07)

The other night. Let's take one last break. Coming up, Luke Donald Wilbon's boy, Northwestern zone, makes his captain's pick for the European Ryder cup team.

Mike Wilbon (19:16)

This was on that team too. And the Giants announced an update to their depth chart at quarterback.

Tony Kornheiser (19:22)

You didn't mention you didn't notice my Carolina blue during the Belichick tour.

Mike Wilbon (19:26)

Did Bill send you that?

Tony Kornheiser (19:27)

No.

Mike Wilbon (19:28)

Chap on no, I bought that.

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Tony Kornheiser (21:16)

Happy time, people. Happy 77th birthday. Terry Bradshaw, the Hall of Fame Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback, was recently in the news for his dismissive comments about new Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Bradshaw grew tired of Rodgers playing footsie with the Steelers without actually signing and suggested Rodgers go home to California and chew on bark, a comment seconded by millions. Bradshaw is much beloved on television and may well be underrated as a quarterback. When the greats of all time are listed, the top is most often Tom Brady and Joe Montana. Bradshaw won four Super Bowls. You'd think he'd get a sniff of that list.

Mike Wilbon (21:51)

A disappointment. Miss any and everybody, I don't care how long they played, who try to convince me that Aaron Rodgers should be considered a greater quarterback all time than Terry Bradshaw or John Elway. Stop. Just stop. That's nonsense.

Tony Kornheiser (22:05)

Not so Happy anniversary, Milk Pappas and Mike Messina on this day, both pitchers lost perfect games with two out in the ninth. It happened to Cubs starter Pappas 53 years ago when umpire Bruce Freeman called balls two, three and four in a row, putting Padres pinch hitter Larry Stahl on first base. Pappas got the no hitter but cursed at Freming in both English and Greek. On this day 24 years ago, while pitching for the Yankees, Messina lost his perfect game on a high and outside 1 and 2 pitch. The Red Sox pinch hitter Carl Everett swung at and lined into left field for a hit. Messina got the shutout but walked off the field disappointed, saying, quote, I'm going to think about that pitch until I retire, unquote, which he did until 2008.

Mike Wilbon (22:47)

I thought about that bad call on Milt Pappas. I was 13 years old. Watched the game live on WGN. Haven't forgotten anything about it all these years later. Wow.

Tony Kornheiser (22:59)

A melancholy trails to George Raveling. The Basketball hall of Famer has died at the age of 88. Raveling was team captain and assistant coach at Villanova before the D.C. native assisted Lefty Drizelle at Maryland. He later became the first black head coach in the PAC 8 at Washington state. Raveling, who also coached at Iowa and usc, won three conference Coach of the Year awards and has a gold medal as an assistant on the 1984 U.S. olympic team. But Raveling is most known for two things off the court. One, he helped Nike sign a young player you might know Wilbond, Michael Jordan. And two, and somehow more remarkable, he owned the original copy of Martin Luther King Jr. S iconic I have a Dream speech, which King gave to Raveling just after stepping away from the mic at the 1963 March on Washington. Raveling later donated that speech to his alma mater, Villanova.

Mike Wilbon (23:49)

I'm very lucky as a sports writer to have had many a meal, breakfast, lunch and dinner, which I always tried to put on expense account with George Raveling. Yeah, and George Raveling, John Thompson and John Chaney. You have to consider them almost as a package. Though they competed against each other, they changed basketball. They changed the dynamic of race in basketball. They changed my life. George Rafling. There was no one, you know this better to sit around the lobby with and listen to stories than George Raveling. Sure.

Tony Kornheiser (24:18)

It is always. I knew this before about the Martin Luther King Jr.

Mike Wilbon (24:22)

Speech.

Tony Kornheiser (24:23)

I've known this for years. It's one of the most important speeches in the history of the country. And he just gave it. Just ask him. He just gave it to George Ravel.

Mike Wilbon (24:32)

It's an incredible story that it happened the way it did and nobody better than George to have had it all.

Tony Kornheiser (24:37)

That's amazing. Let's go to the big finish.

Mike Wilbon (24:38)

Let's do it.

Tony Kornheiser (24:39)

Matthew Stafford will start in Week 1 against the Texans despite an aggravated disc in his back. Your thoughts?

Mike Wilbon (24:45)

I know he missed the first month of training camp. Matt Stafford, he knows how to play. He'll be fine. I think the Giants listed Jackson Dart as the backup quarterback ahead of Jameis Winston. Does that match?

Tony Kornheiser (24:56)

I think it's the right quarter. I watched some of the exhibition games. Jackson Darton looked like he could start in the league. The Padres reliever, Jason Adam blew out a quad. Is that significant?

Mike Wilbon (25:04)

Yes, it is. Even as deep as the Padres bullpen in and the brewers maybe losing Shelby Miller for a while. He said he heard something pop. That's. That's not good. Luke Donald made his captain's pick for the European Ryder cup team. You love the choices, don't you?

Tony Kornheiser (25:19)

Oberg, Hovland Straka, Matty Fitz, Shane Lowry and Hope. Below Jon Rahm.

Mike Wilbon (25:24)

That is three major wins in there.

Tony Kornheiser (25:25)

Last one four seed Taylor Fritz against seven seed Novak Djokovic tonight. Who you got?

Mike Wilbon (25:29)

I don't know. I'm still waiting for Taylor Fritz. I gotta see it. But I got a front row seat to that one. I'm not missing that.

Tony Kornheiser (25:36)

We are out of time. We will try to do better the next time. Renee, we miss you.

Mike Wilbon (25:40)

We do. I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow.

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