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Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbantoni. A Swedish man set a Guinness World record by shoving 81 matches into his nostrils.
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I'm Tony Kornheiser. I've never tried matches, but I can do two toothbrushes. I can do that.
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I wonder how we managed to replace a Florida man with a Swedish man.
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Well, I'm sure it's true. I just wonder if the matches were lit. Okay, that would make a difference if the matches were lit.
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Hope not.
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That'll be something. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Lane Kiffin has a decision to make. James Franklin takes over at Virginia Tech, and Jeff Saturday joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with last night's Monday night game in which the Dallas Cowboys went on the road and throttled the Las Vegas Raiders. It seemed the Raiders never threatened the end zone. The Raiders are now 28 in Pete Carroll's first year there and are headed for their fourth straight losing season. Wilbaugh, what do you make of Pete Carroll's Raiders so far and going forward?
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Tony, they're not even Pete Carroll's Raiders. To me, Pete Carroll is a guy who went there to try to save them like a line of other coaches, not Pete Carroll's Raiders. I don't judge Pete Carroll's career by the Raiders. I don't even associate Pete Carroll's career with the Raiders. The Raiders are irrelevant. They've been irrelevant for a long time. They're even more irrelevant than the Cowboys, who are quickly becoming irrelevant because nobody under 48, 50 years old can remember when the Cowboys were any good in the postseason. So I know, you know, people could think their viewerships skyrocket because the Raiders and the Cowboys, these are two irrelevant teams. And particularly the Raiders right now, whose star rookie running back carried like six times for seven yards or seven times for six yards. I forget, and you look at this and you go, okay, they're on. People can remember of a certain age when they mattered. They don't matter now.
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Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with most of that. The Raiders at the moment are awful. Pete Carroll is a great coach and he can't do anything with them. They're on their way to their 23rd consecutive season without a playoff win, which is remarkable considering what the Raiders were. Yeah, that's a remarkable number. They're in the bottom of the bowl with the jets and with the Browns and with the Titans and with and with the Saints. Their quarterback, Geno Smith, through 10 games, has 12 touchdown passes and 13 interceptions. He's got a QBR of something like 32. And the only two people he's ahead of are rookies. Cam Warden, Dylan Gabriel. He's behind Justin Fields, who just lost his job. Right. The only thing the Raiders do is they make celebrity hires. You tell me Tom Brady is an owner. What is his impact? Chip Kelly, what is his impact? What is Pete Carroll's impact? So here's where we will agree. Mark Davis is not Al Davis. This is not the 70s and it's not the 80s, and they are a lost team. So I'll take 10 seconds and talk about the Cowboys. They were impressive last night except against a bad team. But Dak Prescott throwing to the two to CD Lamb and who's the other guy? George Pickett, you know, that is formidable. So that's why today everybody's talking about, will they make the playoffs?
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No, because they're not going to make six and one.
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And their next three games are Philadelphia, Kansas City and Detroit. So, no, they're not.
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You can't move quickly enough off this to Lane Kiffin's future. ESPN reports that Ole Miss has asked Kiffin to decide whether he'll stay or go by this weekend. Kiffin told Pat McAfee today there's been no ultimatum, but both Florida and LSU have reportedly flown Kiffin's family members in for visits the last two days. Tony, would Ole Miss be right or smart to impose a deadline on the coach that's led them to a ten and one record now?
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So in situations like this, where the dynamic exists like this, almost all the power rests with the coach. Almost none of the power rests, rests with the school. The school is obliged to pay the coach the money they agreed to pay him when they offered it to him and he signed the contract. Right. That's. Other than that, they can just go pound sand. As far as I'm concerned. If they want Kiffin to stay, they've got to do what they would do with a quarterback or a tackle or a db. They have to tear up the existing deal and give them more money. They have to show more money, you know, and see if that's going to keep them. To answer the question directly, I think they're sort of right. It's within their rights to. To do this. But at that point, if Lane Kiffin calls their bluff, are they gonna fire him? I don't think they're going to fire him. Lane Kiffin has, at that school at Ole Miss, the last five out of the last six years, he's had Double digit wins. That equals the entire amount in the previous 50 years for that school. You're not going to fire him. It's just that simple. So what it feels like, Mike, is if there is an ultimatum on any level, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Well, there is no rational ultimat, Tony. Here's a couple of things. One you would ask yourself if you're looking at this from the outside or if you're a trustee there or something, is money going to keep Lane Kiffin? Is there an amount of money that is going to keep Lane Kiffin from wandering off to Florida or lsu? And the answer probably is no. Because so many coaches look at this as a guy who left Notre Dame not too long ago to go to LSU and they say stupid stuff like I can't win here, so I'm going to go there where I can win. Well, here's the problem with that. Lane Kiffin's going to be in the playoff. Now Mississippi is going to be in the playoff.
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Yeah.
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LSU is not going to be in the playoff. Florida's not going to be in the playoff. So the question for Lane Kiffin is, wow. With the portal being what it is and cash money raining down on players for from whatever source being what it is, can I win here? Can I stay at Ole Miss and can I win here or is there an advantage elsewhere? That's what this is going to come down to.
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I think he's going to go somewhere else because there are better football schools and they have more money. So I think Ole Miss is going to have nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory, not a real victory. Let's stick with college football and coaches. The big news is someone who actually took a new job and is not letting his family fly around the country on private jets or to look at possible coaching sites. James Franklin took the open job at Virginia Tech and in so doing allowed Penn state to reportedly recoup 40 of the $49 million buyout they owed him. Wilbon, what are your expectations for James Franklin at Virginia Tech?
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I expect him to return Tech to where Tech was during Frankie Beamer time. I expect Franklin to get them up toward double digit wins. It doesn't mean I think they're going to win a national championship. And when people outside of this region, meaning the region you and I live in, they don't understand that there's a. They may not understand, probably don't. There's an enormous overlap between Penn State and Virginia Tech. The kids they recruit, the appeal they have. It's a large region that doesn't really have defined lines. But he knows Franklin knows the region. He worked at Maryland. I think twice he's recruited the area. It seems like it's a great fit to me. Franklin and Virginia Tech. A much better fit than him trying to go off to LSU or Florida or someplace. No, he knows this area. He knows the high schools. He knows all about what goes on between at one end, the southwestern end of Virginia Tech and the northeastern end of at Penn State. And this seems like a good hire.
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Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. I mean, the first thing you have to remember is that the ACC is an easier conference to win than the Big Ten. Yeah, it's much easier. The ACC right now, the college football ranking committee thinks so little of the ACC that their top ranked school isn't. They don't even want them in the playoffs. So that is a winnable conference. Right now at the moment, the two schools leading are Georgia Tech and Virginia. And I'll pause for a second while you giggle. The second thing is, and you're right to bring up Frank Beamer. They were a nationally ranked school when he was there. He went to 23 bowl games when bowl games meant something. He was in a period of time between 1999 and 2011, nine of those 12 years. He had his team at some point in the top 10 nationally. So you can win at Virginia Tech. The question is, can Franklin win at Virginia Tech? He could not win at the Big Ten. He banged his head on the ceiling. He was like 421 against top 10 ranked teams. But Mike, he's not going to meet top 10 ranked teams as often. So yes, it is a good fit. And maybe by the end of next year, if he takes some Penn State players with him, we're going to be talking about James Franklin and Bill Belichick in the acc. Let's take a break. Still to come, shedor Sanders got no snaps with his first team offensive line before Sunday. And we will ask Je how big a deal that is.
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And Jeff loves the Eagles. Tush push. We're gonna ask him what he thought of the Ravens. Fake tush push.
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Do you think that Lane Kiffin is gonna go to either Florida or lsu? I do.
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Do you?
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Probably. But suppose he wins the national championship in Mississippi.
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Oh, then he can definitely go if he wants to.
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You are watching Part in the interruption presented by Crown Royal part of Happy hour.
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Let's dig into the NFL trenches with our great friend ESPN NFL analyst Jeff Saturday. Jeff, you talked last week about the importance of Lane Johnson to the Eagles line. There are some numbers here. There are 120 and 62 and one when he plays, they're 15 and 24 when he doesn't. That's a stark difference. He'll be out four to six weeks with a foot injury. How does the absence of a player like Johnson change things for the rest of the people on the line?
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Oh, it's massive. I mean, first of all, let me put this in perspective for everybody at home. If if you had the Eagles at one in the NFC and the Rams at two, you would. You would move the Rams above the Eagles because of this injury. This is like a three point swing per game, in my opinion. That's how good Lane Johnson is. This guy is a guy that the ball is snapped. You let him go block whatever the edge is and you don't concern yourself with whatever's going to happen because he's going to have dudes locked up and they ain't going anywhere. Go back and watch what he did against Hutch most of the game in that Detroit game. He is an absolute beast. That's how good this player is. But now let's take it a step further. Communication between the guard, the center, even the quarterback, when blitzes start to come or you start to see pressure or safety start to tilt or linebackers line up, all the communication and the expectations of how things are going to be blocked. When you've got a guy like Lane Johnson who's been there for that long, all that communication has to be verbalized. It can't just be a nod or a bump or whatever. Everything has to be verbalized and it makes it much more difficult and cumbersome. This is a big loss for the Eagles. I am praying he gets back in four weeks, not six. I love offensive linemen. He's one I love to watch and I hate that he's been injured.
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We're going to go from the proven commodity that is Lane Johnson to the unproven of Shador Sanders, who Jeff. When I heard he had not received one snap with the first human practice, I went nuts. And it seemed like coaching malpractice. But then again, I realized that most guys don't get those reps. But, but, but take the viewer inside, how different it is and how important it is to get reps with the first team if you're the quarterback.
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This is unbelievable. And I'll take it a step further. This isn't just coaching malpractice because honestly, Stefanski in this group is kind of in a bad position, right? You got Dylan Gabriel, who's a rookie, in front of Shador, who's a rookie. So they both need reps, right? So if you're trying to get Dylan ready for the game, you can't have Shador taking reps from him. This should have been handled in preseason. If you knew you were going to get rid of Kenny Pickett and you knew you were going to get rid of Joe Flacco, then you got to have a better plan in place of what this looks like. Let me just explain to everybody how, how bad when you. When Shador walked out there, the offensive line had never heard his cadence. That's how the play starts, people. The cadence starts everything. When you don't even know the voice, inflection of the cadence, that means the offensive line are literally waiting and hesitating until they either can see the ball snapped or until they feel his cadence change. So they know the ball is. It is absolute and split seconds matter in our game. And you know, the defense getting jumps off the ball, it is an absolute disaster. And anybody who's judging Shador on his performance, you're mocking yourself, man. I mean, listen, the Baltimore Ravens blitz the daylights out of Noam. If they don't know his cadence, he dang sure don't know the answers to the test on what to do against the blitz. So let's bring it and make him look as bad. And he still made some good throws when he's protected. Do not judge this man, whether you think he was really good or really bad on 16 snaps of chaos, because that's what he was thrown into.
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Man, that is great perspective. We got to talk about this Mark Andrews play where he takes an apparent tush push snap and goes for a touchdown. All right, let's go inside the huddle for a second. You're the center when this play comes in that Mark Andrews is going to take the direct snap and go right. You're thinking, what?
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Oh, you love it, right? He's a big, physical guy. You know he's going to take the snap. Lamar ain't going to be a tush push guy, right? It's always going to be somebody that's protected, can take shots. So it's going to be Andrews. He's handled the ball. He's got good hands. You work in the QB center exchange. They're working on that as the week getting ready for it. So that part is taken care of. This is, this is why I love the tush push. Because think about this. Think about this. When the Eagles incorporate this, when Baltimore, you had Lamar basically in the option position behind him. So as he reverses out, he could have pitched it with a lead blocker with Lamar going to his left, but instead he reverses out. They kept. They kicked the edge out. He splits between tackle and kick block into the house. Ain't nothing better. Go ahead and load up in there now. I'm going to make you look silly if you can't stop me in the middle or, or on the edges. I Loved it. I thought it was a huge. It was a gutsy call by Todd and the Ravens at the moment, fourth and one, tied up game. Huge play, huge call. Congrats to Andrews for the td, baby. I loved it.
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Completely brilliant. Completely brilliant. The moment you saw it, you said, this is absolutely brilliant. I will get you out of here on this. Sam Darnold threw four picks against the Rams linebacker. I hope I get this name right. Ernest Johnson the fourth said, quote, he's our quarterback. We've got his back. And if you've got anything to say, quite frankly. And then he used an expletive and everybody knows what that expletives. But if you, if you were Darnold's teammate, you were out there with him when he threw four, would you have any doubts?
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No. Listen, the Rams have kind of had his number. This is not uncommon for a lot. A lot of quarterbacks struggle against certain defenses, right? Like I think about my time at the Colts, for whatever reason, the Chargers were always a tough matchup for us, right? Their DBs were, were kind of long, rangy guys. You know, they played a different type of press. You know, the pressure they brought in their three, four was a little bit different. So you can't be prepared. You're not going to be as good against every defense. Some defense is going to have a little bit it make it more difficult. He didn't play his best game, but within that he gave them a shot at the end for a long field goal on the drive. So if you're the Seahawks, you walk disappointing the loss, knowing you can't play worse on offense, and you still had a chance with four turnovers to beat the Rams. That's a big thing. You are not. You are not backing off of Sam Darnold if you're a Seahawk, bro. We are all we are. Gas pedal down. Let's make a move. We'll see these guys again.
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Love that.
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That's good to know. Yeah. They were five feet away from winning. It's wide right by five. Jeff, as always, great pleasure. Thank you, Jeff.
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Thank you, Jeff. Voice of reason, fellas.
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See y' all next week.
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Jeff, Saturday, voice of reason.
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Let's take one last break. Still to come, Giannis is the latest NBA star to go out before college.
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Blue bloods meet at Madison Square Garden, the world's most famous arena, tonight. I used to go to this all the time.
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I think Jeff's defense of an explanation of Shador Sanders is much needed. Much needed.
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Pardon the interruption is presented by Crown Royal. Please drink responsibly part of happy hour.
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Happy time people. Happy 22nd birthday. Jalen Duran Duran is a 610 starting center of the surging Detroit Pistons, a team basically of unknowns other than Cade Cunningham. Duran is averaging 20.3 points and 12.3 rebounds which is fourth in the league. Duran played one year of college ball at Memphis for Penny Hardaway and then was drafted 13th overall in 2022 draft by Charlotte. A three way draft night deal including the Knicks sent Duran to the pistons. This is Duran's fourth year in the league and he's shooting 67.4% from the field. Wow. Pistons are 122 having won 10 straight games. Can you name all five starters on the Pistons? Nobody outside the 313 cap Tony the.
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Pistons are really good. They had a chance to break through in the playoffs last year. A tough and even controversial game one lost the Knicks. The Pistons are not to be trifled with and Cleveland and the Knicks and Milwaukee know that already.
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Happy Anniversary Phil Dawson on this day 18 years ago, the Browns veteran kicker booted a final play game tying 51 yard field goal against the Baltimore Ravens that was initially ruled no good by the officials. While the kick wasn't legally reviewable under the rules, the refs snuck a peek at the replay on the Jumbotron and made the right call, sending the game into overtime, where the Browns would win on another Dawson field goal. The kick in question hit the left upright, then the support post just beyond the crossbow before bouncing back onto the field to play. The next season brought a new rule allowing kicks to be reviewed called the Phil Dawson Rule.
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I'm always for the officials getting it right. I'm never for officials wearing white pants, and I'm always for those beautiful uniforms the Browns wore this last Sunday. That's classic. Jim Brown could have been in those uniforms. Can people ever get it right? Call me. I'll get it right for you.
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Happy trails. Giannis Antetokounmpo the Bucks star left last night's loss to the Cavs with a groin strain. He will have an mri, head coach Doc Rivers said after the game. Quote didn't look great. I can tell you that. Giannis joins a long list of injured stars that includes Victor Wembanyama, who's out for a few weeks with a calf strain, Ja Morant, who's out for two weeks with the same thing, and 20 other players making more than $30 million.
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30 million each. And by the way, add to that not a star for 30 million, but Stefan Castle of the young Studley Spurs. He's out and will be reevaluated in a couple of weeks. Man, I mean, can we just start the season at Christmas and maybe avoid the November injuries that we have every year now?
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Goodness, let's go to the big finish.
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Up your boy Paul George.
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Yeah, at nine points and seven rebounds in his return against the Clipp. Your thoughts?
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Yeah. The Sixers won and man, the Clippers falling and can't get up and they're awfully old. LeBron says he will not be on the 28 Olympic team. Steph Curry says he highly doubts he will be. You love the two of them on the Olympic team. So your reaction is what I do.
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And they won the gold medal with Kevin Durant last time, but they'll both be in their 40s and it's time. Let younger players play in that. It's time.
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He's all right.
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Aaron Rodgers practice today but wants to play against the Bears on Sunday. Does that make sense?
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He's not going to have surgery, apparently. I want Aaron Rodgers under center for the Steelers when they get to Soldier Field Sunday. That's what I want. Michigan State, Kentucky, Kansas Duke tonight in Madison Square Garden. You intrigued?
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Sure. I mean, there's no football on tonight. I would love to watch this. And I will. Last one, the Union. The U.S. men's soccer team faces Uruguay in a friendly in Tampa tonight. Do you find that significant? Yeah.
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As you look at the summer when World Cup's coming in, what, seven, eight months, the measuring of ourselves against Uruguay is a big deal.
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So, yeah, we're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser, and I'm glad. What you want with Aaron Rodgers?
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I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, Knucklehead pti.