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Mike Wilbon
From 30 for 30 podcasts.
Tony Kornheiser
Did you say someone got shot?
Joe Lunardi
Brian Pata, senior defensive lineman from Miami, gunned down.
Rich Eisen
The key to this case, It's Brian.
Mike Wilbon
An hour before he died, he was on the phone arguing with somebody. This might be a hit.
Rich Eisen
You want the truth? They just want a conviction.
Tony Kornheiser
Being placed under arrest.
Mike Wilbon
We had a killer amongst us. Murder at the U. Listen now. Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's international dream day. Tony, how your dreams been Late.
Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornheiser. Weird. Last night's included a bag of feathers, a hot glue gun, and Gene Shallet. Gene Shallet.
Mike Wilbon
I'm gonna guess that no more than 11 people listening to us now know named Gene Shallet. And so Gene Shallet, is he still with us?
Tony Kornheiser
He is with us. He' to be 100 in a couple of weeks. 100 years old. He was a great movie reviewer for NBC for years and years and years. Welcome to PTI, boys and girls. We will get to Bam Adebayo's 83 and Italy's upset of Team USA in a moment, but we begin today with upheaval in the NFL. The Baltimore Ravens, who just a few days ago traded two number one picks for Raiders pass rusher Max Crosby, have reneged on the deal. It's off. The Raiders still have Crosby, the Ravens still have their two picks, and today they added pass rusher Trey Hendrickson, a free agent from Cincinnati. Wilbon, how do the Ravens look and what do you see as a potential domino effect here?
Mike Wilbon
Wow, Tony, this thing. I'm completely obsessed with this story and became that last night. And I'm still obsessed with it in part on both sides. Like, the Raiders get him back on the roster right now, but they signed a ton of people. How do they fit that? All under the cap at the moment. And the Ravens seems like they've made out because they get Hendrickson, a pass rusher who's not quite the impact player. Perhaps overall the Max Crosby is. But they get their edge rusher guy, right? And they add him and they don't have to give up either of the two picks.
Tony Kornheiser
That's right.
Mike Wilbon
So the whole thing is just. It's crazy. Like, what's the standard for a team saying we don't like the X rays, take a hike, return to cinder? What's the standard? Who gets to judge that? There's so many questions. None of them have answers. And it makes it to me so fascinating.
Tony Kornheiser
My understanding of it is they are able to do that because the deal had not been Consummated because it was not yet Wednesday when the deals are officially done. Look, I disagree with you. I think Trey Hendrickson is every bit as good as Max Crosby. Trey Hendrickson had 10 more sacks than Max Crosby from 2019 on. Crosby's very good. Hendrickson is very good. And they're both coming out of injuries. I think that getting Hendrickson saved the Baltimore Ravens a lot of egg on their face because they look foolish to just get out of this trade. They would just look ridiculously foolish at this point to me. Now, what they've got, you know. Well, let me just start by saying when that trade happened, you and I and a lot of other people, we gave kudos to Baltimore. We said, wow, they're going for it right now. They're trying to get into the Super Bowl. I think if they hadn't gotten Hendrickson and they called the deal off, they actually would have looked like clowns. But Hendrickson saves them. Who's the gm? Eric Da Costa. Eric Dacosta's been there a long time. He had never ever traded a number one pick. Just one of them, and now he traded two. Obviously he had second thoughts. Obviously he felt that this was not a good deal and he tried to get out of it. But again, I think Hendrickson. I think Hendrickson saves him because Baltimore was in trouble. They had a terrible pass rush last year and a lot of their free agent people were going. Now, Mike, now they have Hendrickson, they have both number ones and they look like it's a big win. They should have done it that way to start.
Mike Wilbon
Well, Tony, look, I agree. I mean, I know when the Bears were mentioned in this stuff, I didn't want to give up two number ones for Max Crosby. I will push back in this way, though. Max Crosby's better against the run and a better overall player, not just looking at pass rush than Hendrickson. But I'm with you on the. I'd rather just have hendrickson and those two number ones, particularly with one of them, he's a 14th overall pick. I agree with you there. Baltimore to me. And how do the. So the Raiders get to just keep everybody. Really? What kind of counting is that?
Tony Kornheiser
I think that they can fit everybody under the cap and I think that in this particular case, you would think that Crosby would go somewhere else. You would think that bridges were burned, but maybe not because it's a first year coach, a first year coach in the Raiders. Maybe he reaches out to Crosby, maybe it works. I don't know.
Mike Wilbon
It's got some time I mean the big Packers Cowboys deal didn't happen last year till July. So there's some time. Let's turn to Bam out of Bio's enormous night. He scored 83 points, the second most in NBA history. In Miami's 150 to 129 win over Tony's Wizards. Bam had 31 after the first quarter, 43 at the half. 36 came at the foul line, a new NBA record. And Heat coach Eric Spoelstra aided the effort of his player with some of his decisions. Afterward, Bam said quote wilt me then Kobe sounds crazy. Close quote Tone, what'd you think of how Bam accomplished this thing last night and who he did it against?
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so let me be perfectly clear in this, Bam. Adebayo is a fine player. He's not a Hall of Fame player. He is a fine player, but 83, really, 83? I mean, come on. So let's look at how he got it. He went to the foul line 43 times. That's an NBA record. And that tells you the Wizards were not attempting to defend him. They were just fouling him. They weren't trying to stop him, they were just fouling him. They made no attempt to do anything else. And he took 22 threes. I know that you know this. I know you know how many threes Will took when he got 100? He took no threes cuz the threes weren't around. So let me talk about the Wizards for a second. They are a disgrace to the capital of the United States of America. They are a disgrace to the NBA. They have been trying to lose for the last three years and succeeding. Their defense is ranked second worst in the league. You saw it last night. And defense is just effort. They tried to lose for three years. I think that the president of the basketball operations and the general manager and the coach should all be fired. I thought they should have been fired at the end of last year. I but clearly the owner believes in the tanking strategy or else he would have stopped this a long time ago. As you know, Mike, I don't think they should get any ping pong balls. I don't think they should be rewarded for trying to lose. I think if Adam Silver has an ounce of decency in him, he'll say no, no, you do not get a reward. No, no ping pong balls for you. And not only that, he should say, and you're selling season tickets, you know, based on false hope. I mean, you're trying to lose. So I'm done.
Mike Wilbon
All Right, Let me. Let me go back to the topic that interests more people outside of you and me in Washington. That would be Bam. Richard Jefferson, I thought, used a great word. And there were so many reactions to this last night. Richard Jefferson used the word outlier. Because, Tony, if we sat down and you put 50 names in front of me, you might get to 100. And you said, okay, circle the guy who's going to score 83. I can go at least 50 deep before I go to Bam, whose career high was like 41, 42. Fine player, like a really good dude. Bam. You know, this kind of guy you root for, defensive player, comes into the league to do dirty work. Tony, there's no way you think that Bam is going to do this, but he did it. And when I heard this last night, I was just like, oh, my God. And then the Wizards came. So, yes, I laughed at it as well. But, Tony, just think this. He could have scored 100. He was 7 of 22 from 3.
Tony Kornheiser
From 3.
Mike Wilbon
If he goes 15 of 22 from 3, he's got 91. And he missed free throws. Tony, 100 wasn't even outrageous. And you know it's outrageous because we know it belongs to Wilton. But it was like, it's still. Wow.
Tony Kornheiser
He had 41 in the first quarter. Do you know how many points Michael Jordan had in his best quarter of all time? This Michael Jordan we're talking about? He had 40. Bam. Adebayo had more points in one quarter than Michael Jordan has ever had. That's an amazing thing. Let's turn to the World Baseball Classic and the sticky situation the US Team now finds itself in by losing to Italy last night, 8 to 6. The US will only get into the quarterfinals if Italy beats Mexico tonight. Excuse me. Or if Mexico beats Italy and scores five or more runs in nine innings. It's complicated. The US Team has only itself to blame for this. And their manager, Mark DeRosa, was unaware of this jeopardy early yesterday and in fact said the US Team was moving on well before last night's game against Italy was played. Now, DeRosa says he learned the exact circumstances well before the game. That indeed, the US was not automatically in Wilbon. How did USA's performance yesterday against Italy look to you, Tony?
Mike Wilbon
It looked like a game that I wasn't expecting. You know, when I watch this, I'm watching this to watch. The United States, Japan, Mexico, the Dominican Republic.
Tony Kornheiser
Dominican Republic, Cuba.
Mike Wilbon
Right?
Rich Eisen
You know.
Mike Wilbon
You know why we're watching this, baseball fanatic? I'm not watching this to watch Italy or Great Britain, I don't even want to see them.
Tony Kornheiser
Right.
Mike Wilbon
I'm ready for them come July for the World Cup. So, yeah, I'm looking, I'm looking. The score comes up and it's like whatever it is, when I first was aware of it, waiting on a five hour delayed flight to Chicago that never took off and I look up and see the score and it's like five. I'm like, whoa, Italy, Italy. Is this a friendly? What is this? So, but Tony, I hate to say this, I mean, it's cool. When a superpower, and that's what we are, particularly in baseball, when a superpower is pushed to the brink, there's drama and that's what any tournament needs.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I'm not going to knock the United States team because Petro Armstrong had two home runs. Gunnar Henderson had one home run. They came back and they're facing a situation where Aaron Judge is the tying run in the bottom of the ninth and he's at bat. So he strikes out. Okay, that happens, right? Previous two games he had hit home runs. I do think the Derosa thing is sort of interesting, you know, that, that he had said early on that the United States was in and then had to walk it back. But I will take him at his word that he didn't change the lineup around.
Mike Wilbon
Same here.
Tony Kornheiser
That he managed exactly the way he's supposed to manage. I'll take him at his word. I will say this though, Mike. United States scored six runs. Six is a pile of runs. Baseball teams win games when they get six runs. Six should have been, it seems to me, enough now. They'll all watch it tonight at 7:00'. Clock. And I'm hoping, I'm actually hoping that Cal Rawley texts his good friend Rosarena and says, could you help us out? Could you get us some runs? Let's take a break.
Mike Wilbon
No doubt.
Tony Kornheiser
Coming up, could injuries affect Duke seating in the NCAA tournament? We're going to ask Joey Brackett's Joe Linardi.
Mike Wilbon
We'll also ask him what he sees as the potential for undefeated Miami of Ohio. Tony, if the US lineup is so great, I don't care who he plays.
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Tony Kornheiser
With the top college conference tournaments getting underway, we want to check in with our good friend ESPN bracketologist Joe Linardi. Wilbon Lenardi's had a tough month. His favorite bagel joint out in the Jersey Shore closed, so it's a tough month for him. We got to make sure okay, let's start with this Joe.
Mike Wilbon
I'm betting he'll recover better than Lenardi.
Tony Kornheiser
Could these injuries to Duke or a loss in the tournament materially affect Duke's seeding or Duke's path?
Joe Lunardi
I don't think so guys, and here's why. Duke has enough separation over the other teams competing for a one seed. I think they could lose by 40 in their ACC opener and still be the number one seed in the east regardless of who takes the floor. Now might they be one overall and or lose that spot? Can Michigan and or Arizona eclipse them? Yes, but that's really a distinction without a difference because Duke's geographic assignment Greenville, South Carolina and then D.C. is pretty well set and I think playing the long game here and trying to get at least one of their two injured guys back is the smart play.
Mike Wilbon
All right Joe, Duke, Michigan, Arizona, give us the mystery. Guess who is the fourth number one seed today?
Joe Lunardi
It's Florida and for good reason. Even though the Gators didn't have the greatest non conference performance bumping along while they inserted a new backcourt, they've really been excellent for the last six, seven weeks and equal to those three other teams. Not over 30 games but over the last 15 they've been equal. They will be a very worthy defending champion and really the only team on the number one seed line that could lose that spot. If they go out early in the sec tournament and UConn gets back to the top of the Big east by winning a rubber game against St. John's
Mike Wilbon
all right, Tony and I have been particularly interested in and protective of Miami of Ohio. And they're unbeaten, of course. If they go through their tournament and stay undefeated, what kind of seeding do you see for Miami of Ohio?
Joe Lunardi
This is really an unprecedented situation. You guys are old enough to remember all the undefeated teams at least since we started seeding the field in 1979. That's almost 50 years. There have only been six undefeated regular season teams in that span. And they've all been one seeds and they've not all been blue bloods. You know, we've had Kentucky, we've had Gonzaga, we've even had the Wichita states and the St. Joseph's but this Miami team is not a one seed. Okay, but when I hear people talk about them being barely in the field, we've lost the plot. They're a member of Division One and they haven't lost any games. We keep score for a reason. I think if they run the table, the committee will do what it often does with teams with an uneven resume. They're going to be in in an 8, 9 game and a very dangerous first round opponent.
Tony Kornheiser
Ooh, you know what? I think that's fair. I think that's fair to reward them in that way. I mean, you're not going to make them a three seed or a four seed, but an eight, nine, that seems fair to me. Let's get you out of here on this. How do you feel? Mike and I don't like this. The expansion of the tournament. The possible expansion of the tournament. How do you feel about the possibility of the tournament expanding?
Joe Lunardi
On one hand, I hate it because I'm still a bracket nerd, that it should be the perfect 64. But I also don't think that teams with losing conference records should be eligible for an at large bid. I think we play the season for a reason and I think there should be minimum tournament eligibility. Now, since that's never going to happen, I think we almost need some modest, and I mean very modest expansion to protect us from the power conferences that if they had their way would squeeze out all the Miamis, all the Sister Jeans, all the Butlers and all the George Masons. So that's my hill and I'm ready to die on it.
Tony Kornheiser
How many. When you talk about minimum, how many, how many teams do you think? How many?
Joe Lunardi
I think we could go up to 80, actually. And have the equivalent of a first four in each region. The first four concept works. 80 is more symmetrical than the 72 and 76 proposals that are on the table. But, and here's my gigantic but for me, all of the automatic qualifiers from the SEC to the Southland, they would all be in the main bracket. They would not be in opening round play ins and the only teams playing in would be all the bubble teams in the middle of the field. And yes, that would put bracketologists out of business. And as long as they wait two or three years, I'm okay with that.
Tony Kornheiser
I like this. That's a good idea. Thank you as always, Joe. Thank you Joe.
Mike Wilbon
Appreciate it man.
Tony Kornheiser
You bet you can fill out your own bracket by using the ESPN Tournament Challenge. Let's take one last break. But still to come, the Colts commit
Mike Wilbon
to Daniel Jones and Jaylen Brown's second quarter ejection scuttles. The Celtics match up with the Spurs. Ruined it for a lot of us.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 46th birthday. Rich Hill the veteran left hander pitched two games last season for Kansas City, making Hill the oldest pitcher in the majors last year. In his first start against the Cubs, Hill went five innings, gave up one earned. In his second start, Hill got touched up for two homers and four earned by the Braves and he walked six. That was in July. Hill did not pitch again. Although he hasn't used the word retirement, Hill has said he has no plans to pitch this season. So if he's done, Hill will finish his career with a record of 90 and 76 and a.402 ERA. Hill pitched in 388 games for 14 different teams dating back to 2005. In 2016, Hill was 125 with a.212 ERA for Oakland and the Dodgers.
Mike Wilbon
If you could pick a path for longevity in sports, let your kid grow up to be a backup quarterback or a left handed pitcher you can hang around for if you're talented like these guys, like Richell is for a long, long, long time.
Tony Kornheiser
Happy anniversary Shaquille O' Neal on this day 18 years ago, while playing for Phoenix, Shaq spotted a loose ball and was determined to get his hands on it. As you can see, Shaq clears the entire Sun's bench as he goes after the ball near his teammates. Of course, players and coaches scattered. This is £360 of Shaq bearing down on him. Afterwards, Shaq's gesture with his arm seemed to say, why didn't you guys want a cat? Well, you remember I told you about the time I was at an All Star game party yakking with someone. Shaq came up behind me, lifted me into the air over his head. I was 10ft off the ground. I was terrified. Terrified.
Mike Wilbon
It was great hearing it from Shaq. My voice is rotten right now and I can't do a great Shaq. But Tony hearing it from Shaq and it sounded something like this, bruh, bruh, I picked your boy up. I picked him up. It was like picking up groceries.
Tony Kornheiser
Happy trails. Jaylen Brown, the Celtics guard was teed up twice and therefore Ejected in the second quarter of last night's big showdown with the Spurs, Brown was upset because he felt he had been fouled by Stefan Cassel while turning the ball over. Brown went to the locker room, then posted about what he felt was the officiating injustice at halftime. Brown's ejection undermined the matchup that Wilbon and I had been so looking forward to watching. The game was won by the spurs as Victor Wembanyama finished with 39 points, including eight threes.
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, Tony Wembanyama was great as usual, but it was unfulfilling result to me. Unsatisfying. Given you want to see Jaylen Brown out there, it just got screwed up.
Tony Kornheiser
I agree with that. I wanted him to have an MVP night and he was gone halfway through. Couple of corrections. I said Bam had 41 points in the first quarter. It was actually 31. My bad. And Wilbon had some math issues as well. He said if Bam Adebayo had made 15 threes instead of seven threes, he would have had 91 points. Not quite. If he made eight more threes, he would have had 107. Let's go, if we could, to the big finish. Steve Tisch plans to move his shares in the New York Giants into a trust for his children following the release of emails that tied him to Jeffrey Epstein. Is that significant?
Mike Wilbon
I don't know and don't particularly want to consider. The Colts agreed to a new deal with Daniel Jones for two years and $88 million with 60 million guaranteed. Does that make sense?
Tony Kornheiser
It does. He was really good before he got hurt. Syracuse fired head coach Adrian Autry. Does that make sense?
Mike Wilbon
Well, Tony, he didn't make the tournament in three seasons. So we sort of saw this coming, which is too bad. Tyrese Maxey out three weeks with a tendon injury to his right pinky. That's a big deal, isn't it?
Tony Kornheiser
He's their best player because he's out there all the time. Last one conference championships tonight in the Patriot and Big Sky. He got it.
Mike Wilbon
I'm going Lehigh and Montana. We'll check the tape tomorrow.
Tony Kornheiser
We are out of time. We will try and do better the next time. And I am Tony Kornheiser.
Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow. Knuckleheads.
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Episode: What HAPPENED With the Maxx Crosby Trade?!
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser & Michael Wilbon (with guest Joe Lunardi)
Theme: A whirlwind episode anchored by the stunning collapse of the Baltimore Ravens’ Maxx Crosby trade, Bam Adebayo’s historic NBA night, Team USA’s baseball crisis, college basketball seed talk, and other top stories.
Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon start with seismic NFL trade drama—the Ravens’ sudden reneging on the Maxx Crosby deal—before pivoting to an historic NBA performance by Bam Adebayo, Team USA’s precarious position in the World Baseball Classic, and the latest NCAA tournament seeding insights with bracketologist Joe Lunardi. The episode maintains PTI’s classic quick-hitting, opinionated tone with sharp analysis, notable quips, and fast-paced banter.
"How do they fit that all under the cap at the moment?" [01:44]
"If they hadn’t gotten Hendrickson and they called the deal off, they actually would have looked like clowns." [03:17]
"I’d rather just have Hendrickson and those two number ones... particularly with one of them, he’s a 14th overall pick." [04:37]
“Bam had 31 after the first quarter, 43 at the half, 36 came at the foul line, a new NBA record.” [05:24]
“He went to the foul line 43 times. That tells you the Wizards were not attempting to defend him… They made no attempt to do anything else.” [06:17]
“If Adam Silver has an ounce of decency in him, he’ll say no, no, you do not get a reward. No, no ping pong balls for you.” [07:18]
“If he goes 15 of 22 from 3, he’s got 91. And he missed free throws. Tony, 100 wasn’t even outrageous.” [08:46]
“It’s cool. When a superpower, and that’s what we are, particularly in baseball, when a superpower is pushed to the brink, there’s drama and that’s what any tournament needs.” [10:54]
“Six is a pile of runs. Baseball teams win games when they get six runs. Six should have been…it seems to me, enough.” (Kornheiser, [11:33])
“I think they could lose by 40 in their ACC opener and still be the number one seed in the east." [14:12]
“They’re going to be in in an 8–9 game and a very dangerous first-round opponent.” [16:58]
“I also don’t think that teams with losing conference records should be eligible for an at-large bid.” [17:21]
"So the whole thing is just. It’s crazy. Like, what’s the standard for a team saying we don’t like the X-rays, take a hike, return to sender?" [02:23]
“You’re selling season tickets, you know, based on false hope. I mean, you’re trying to lose. So I’m done.” [07:36]
"If we sat down and you put 50 names in front of me… there’s no way you think that Bam is going to do this, but he did it." [07:44]
“All of the automatic qualifiers from the SEC to the Southland, they would all be in the main bracket. ...the only teams playing in would be all the bubble teams in the middle of the field. And yes, that would put bracketologists out of business. And as long as they wait two or three years, I’m okay with that.” [18:13]
Classic PTI—brisk, direct, often opinionated, featuring good-natured ribbing and frank disagreement while maintaining mutual respect. Kornheiser digs deep on the business/league side; Wilbon channels the fan’s enthusiasm and frustration.
If you missed the episode, you got a robust sports news update: why the Ravens’ Crosby trade imploded, why Bam Adebayo’s 83 points is crazy but context matters, how Team USA faces baseball embarrassment, and the underlying politics of NCAA tournament seeding. The hosts’ interplay is as sharp as ever, and the inclusion of Joe Lunardi brings real March Madness expertise.
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“We are out of time. We will try and do better the next time.” (Tony Kornheiser [25:23])