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Mike Wilbon
pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon on assignment in Chicago.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Korn. Is the assignment to keep the Bears from leaving for Indiana?
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Mike Wilbon
For Hammond, Indiana it may be. You know, I'm so sick of the topic. I'm so sick of it. They're not going to Indiana. Say it again. Okay, not going.
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Tony Kornheiser
But you'll be going to Chicago.
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Mike Wilbon
Not going back to Indiana. Welcome to pti.
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Tony Kornheiser
Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, baseball players choose a new leader. Garon Peterson taps out of another game for Kansas. And the NBA season resumes tonight. But we've begin today with the last Thursday of the Winter Olympics. Among the highlights, the U.S. women's hockey team beat Canada in overtime in today's gold medal game. American figure skater Alyssa liu went from third to first to win the goal. Jordan Stoltz's attempt for a third speed skating gold ended in silver in the 1500. And we saw the delightfully frantic debut of ski mountaineering or ski Mo Wilbon. What stood out most to you?
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Mike Wilbon
You know where I'm going, I'm going to hockey. That's where you go. On this Thursday or any other Thursday of the Winter Olympics, the United States women beat Canada for the eighth straight time. Again beat Canada for the eighth straight time, this time for the gold medal in overtime. Tony, after trailing essentially the entire game, won nothing. Hillary Knight had the game tying goal. A little redirection in front of the net off a shot that seemed to be dying to me. But that made Hillary Knight the five time Olympian. It made her the all time leading goal scorer for the United States. And Megan Keller then in overtime, three on three. Tony, when there's so much space and it's so beautiful the game, which moves with a lot of fluidity anyway, I mean she just puts on a classic in and out move to score the game winner for the gold medal. I mean this is it, you know, the, the United States men have not won since 1980. It's impossible to believe that it's been 46 years. But the women, the US women don't disappoint. They win again.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm gonna leave all the hockey to you, except to echo this particular sentiment when they go to three on three in overtime, men or women or whoever's playing, it's fabulous. It is fabulously exciting three on three. It really is. I wanna talk about Jordan Stoltz, okay? Because in his last race, he's racing against another guy. He's not racing against the guy who put up the better number to beat him head to head. He's just another guy out there. And this I don't particularly like that. And I like speed skating. I'm not trying to knock it, but what do we like most about the Summer Olympics? We like the sprints, when eight guys are lined up across the field and the first one to the tape wins. So Usain Bolt gets to see who he is running against. Usain Bolt is running against other guys, and Jordan Stoltz was skating against the time. You know, I understand. I understand that the guy who beat him had the greatest race of his life, but he didn't beat him head to head. He didn't beat him eye to eye. Now, you know, silver's wonderful. Two golds and a silver is wonderful. And I'm sure he's very, very happy. I just. It came up a little short to me, because you're not racing against the person who you can beat and win the particular medal. I do want to talk about ski mo. Ski mountaineering, which everybody loves. This is another invented Winter Olympic sport. It's the first time they're ever having medals. You ski up a mountain until you can't ski up the mountain anymore. You take your skis off, you run up the mountain, you put your skis back on, and you ski down the mountain. That's too much effort for me. The labor going up is too much effort. That's why I would buy a ticket on the chairlift. I wouldn't want to have to go up the mountain myself. I wouldn't want to.
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Mike Wilbon
Can't anybody afford a golf cart at that event? What are we talking about here?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Just. Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
So meanwhile, we'll turn to baseball and the Players association electing Bruce Meyer as interim executive director following Tony Clark's firing. Meyer is a lawyer who's been the union's lead negotiator since 2018. He says a salary cap would be the ultimate restriction on players. According to Bob Nightingale of USA Today, owners consider Meyer tenacious, unreasonable, and bad for baseball. Tony, what do you make of the players choosing him?
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so as you said, he's been the lead negotiator since 2018. He has experience in this particular thing. And as you said, and I read that Nightingale piece as well, and he said that the owners specifically hate this guy. They personally hate him. Hate him. Okay? If I were a baseball player, I would not care that Tony Clark is out because he's not a negotiator. He's a first baseman. This guy Meyer is a negotiator. And it seems to me, Mike, that every time the baseball players get near a strike or a lockout or whatever happens, ultimately I think they win. So I would be happy with this guy as my lead voice. I mean, I would think that that's the right way to go. He's going to tell the players, look, we don't want a salary cap. The owners want a salary cap, and anything the owners want is bad for us. That's going to be his message. And if that's his message, then there's no give there. There's no give. It's just a hard line stance all the way down the line. And, I mean, the players are not going to buy the cap. They're not?
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Mike Wilbon
No, they're not. And, Tony, his selection, it just hardens the positions. I don't know that there's any sign that is encouraging. Like, could they have appointed somebody as interim executive director who would have led me to say, wow, I think this is the move that is going to open up negotiations and lead to a complete season in 27? No, no, I don't. I just. I think we're headed for this. Because it seems like only. It seems like one. Only the owners can avoid this. And it seems like this time, Tony, unlike other years where, you know, it got tabled and they moved it aside, something else was able to mollify one side or the other. It seems like this time the owners are ready, via the Los Angeles Dodgers, of going to the mat and saying, we want a cap and we'll lock you out until we get one.
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Tony Kornheiser
I agree. And I would just, you know, I don't think a cap is so terrible if you have a high four. I think that helps a lot of average players. I mean, the NBA players make a lot more money than baseball players, and they have a cap. The NFL players don't make more than baseball players, but there's 50 of them on every team. And I have not yet heard anyone say, I'm quitting this job to go work at Meinecke. I feel like you feel that we're in a bad position here. And it's too bad, because baseball in the last couple of years. By shortening the game and having great playoffs and World Series, they've made a move. Speaking of moves, let's move to college basketball. Last night saw AJ DeBonsa score 35 for BYU and a loss to number four Arizona. A freshman named Darius Acuff Jr. Scored 49 for number 20 Arkansas in their double overtime loss to number 25 Alabama. Get this. One hundred and seventeen, one hundred and fifteen. In college, Mississippi State junior Josh Hubbard had 46 in regulation 46 of Mississippi State's 91 points as they beat Auburn. Number five, UConn lost at home to unranked Creighton. Darren Peterson, the star at number eight Kansas, had 20 of his 23 points in the first half, then missed the final 17 minutes of the game against Oklahoma State because of cramping. And Iowa apologized to Nebraska coach Fred Hoiberg for a fan approaching Hoiberg on the court with a cell phone and a comment and Hoiberg slapping the phone out of his hand. Wilbon.
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Mike Wilbon
Good.
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Tony Kornheiser
What did you find most compelling?
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Mike Wilbon
46 points. 49 points. 35 points. Tony. All of these kids, all of them ought to tithe for the next few years to Stephen Curry. The college game, it seems to me to be in a great place now. I know that people have been saying, people who scout for the NBA, people who send kids from high school to college, both ends of it, they've been saying for years, this group, this crop, is going to be as good as you've seen. And it looks like they weren't exaggerating. It looks like they're getting it right. I mean, when Debanta is further down the list for scoring what he scored, because you got people scoring 49 and 46. Tony. They're shooting it from the logo every shot. This is the influence of Steph Curry. People can argue about the goat all they want. Steph Curry, to me, has had a greater influence on basketball, modern basketball, than anyone, because little kids start envisioning, dreaming that they can be Steph Curry from the time they're three and can do that. And this is what we've got now. The game has never been more electrifying in that context.
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Tony Kornheiser
I want to talk about Hoiberg for a second. I want to get this straight. I know that there are other angles on the Internet where you can see more closely what happened. He's in the handshake line and a guy comes out of the stands with a cell phone camera, Adam. And makes a comment like, great game, buddy, or something like that, and he slaps the cell phone out of the guy's hands. Who would not want to do that in that circumstance. I'm glad that Iowa apologized to him. I'm glad that they did that. And by the way, Hoiberg's Nebraska team, which I think started 20, has lost four out of six. So he's not in a good mood. But you know, this cell phone paparazzi, they are a plague. I wanted to mention Danny Hurley in context of Tang and Mick Cronin the other night. Danny Hurley said that his defense, he said that his defense was a joke and he called his defense dreadful. And the difference between him and them is he has two rings there. And plus, he says this every game. He is the John McEnroe of college basketball. He's angry all the time, every time you see him. But yeah, all that scoring is impressive. And it's good to credit Curry, although I think there's a certain boredom in everybody taking shots around, you know, around the ring like that.
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Mike Wilbon
Not for me.
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Tony Kornheiser
Not crazy like that. I mean, Tony, let's take a break. Okay, let's take a break. But coming up as the NBA season resumes tonight, is an Eastern Conference or Western Conference team more likely to win the title?
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Mike Wilbon
And is Max Crosby or AJ Brown the more attractive trade candidate? Toss up is next 46 in a
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Tony Kornheiser
regulation 40 minute game is Pete Kamarovich land?
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Mike Wilbon
Come on, that's a lot of points. That's what I'm saying.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's a lot of points.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, 46, 49.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's time for Toss Up. Two men enter, one man leaves, finishes the show and gets excited knowing he's fewer than 48 hours away from the Nats spring training opener was first toss up.
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Mike Wilbon
The NBA season starts back up tonight. More likely to win the title, an Eastern Conference team or a Western Conference team.
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Tony Kornheiser
So my first inclination is to say a Western Conference team. Because we have been talking all year about the fact that the Western Conference is deeper and harder than the Eastern Conference. Because Western Conference teams have won 18 of the last 27 NBA titles and because in that span of 27 years when they went head to head Eastern Conference versus Western Conference, the Eastern Conference only prevailed four times in 27 years. Now it's closer right now, Mike Right now The west leads 145 to 142. But to me, the only way that you would pick an Eastern team is if you thought the playoff process would be debilitating, that it would be too hard to get through and you would be too tired at the end to really contest. I would not pick an Eastern team to win unless you tell me Jayson Tatum is coming back. But I would not do it. And here's why. Because I just watched the super bowl where the best team in football had come through the toughest division in the harder conference and won easily. So I will go with the West.
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Mike Wilbon
Tony. That's interesting reasoning and I hear you. The problem is one game against a really tough opponent ain't the same as a seven game series. And all the series in the NBA are seven. I had the initial sort of feeling you did, but there's only two teams in the West, Tony, that can win. They're just two. OKC and Denver. The Lakers can't win. San Antonio's gonna win. San Antonio's going to win multiple times. They may even win next year. They're the team to me that is most watchable in the entire NBA. And they're not going to win because they're a rookie playoff team or they will be. So that takes me. And by the way, OKC can repeat and Denver's, you know, once removed. So it's not. It's easy to make the argument for one of those guys. I hear you. But, Tony, the East has actually got more. I mean, you got the Knicks. I know you're going to frown. You've got Detroit. I know you're going to sort of frown again. They are not rookies when it comes to this. And the Celtics have an asterisk because we don't know about Jayson Tatum. Man, it's close to a push, but if I got to take one, I guess I really need to go with the more recent champions, and that would be either OKC or Denver. So I, too, would take the West.
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Tony Kornheiser
It took you a long time to get there after you did. What's next?
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I had you.
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Tony Kornheiser
What's next?
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Mike Wilbon
Toss up more attractive potential trade candidate max Crosby or AJ Brown.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. They are both 28 years old. They are both multiple Pro bowl people. Crosby has been in the Pro bowl five times. A.J. brown has been in the Pro bowl three times. Crosby is a complete beast on defense. He has twice led the league in tackles for loss. And as we know from the commercial, AJ Brown is always open. Always open. They are both prima donnas. Although I think Mikey will agree with me that nobody's really a prima donna. Like a wide receiver is a prima donna. They are really agreed. Yeah, they are special prima donnas. I see my notes here. Crosby's beef with the Raiders was that they shut him down and he wanted to play. And A.J. brown's beef is always the same. Throw me the ball all the time. Just throw it to me all the time. To me it's, do you want offense or do you want defense? I would trade them for each other, even up and see what happens.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, well. And you know, sadly, the Bears are going to have to give up much more than an even player. Even if their players DJ More. We're going to have to give up a lot. And yet, Tony, you're not going to win a championship if you don't have a Hall of Fame defender. And the Bears don't have that. That's why their defense, while leading the lead in takeaways, finished so close to the bottom in every other defensive metric. Crosby can make a bigger difference. Look, he's a Midwestern kid, right? He'd be returning to the Midwest. He's not from Chicago, Illinois. He's a Michigan kid. He'd be returning to the Midwest. He already has this great friendship and seems to be completely in love with Caleb Williams. I second that emotion. And it would just. I mean, it just seems like he's ready to go to a specific place now. And the energy from that in that room. AJ Brown can suck all the energy out of a room. He can.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
Max Crosby is going to add all the energy to the room. No Bears team has been great without a great defender. He would plug in and be the guy, and he seems to know it.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's it. Amazing how we got to a Chicago centric conversation there. I win. Let's take one last break. Still to come, will warriors fans laud tonight's debut of the Poor Zingad? Is that his nickname? The Poor Zingad? I thought it was the Unicorn. New York.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm not even saying that. I'm not even repeating that. The Sun's owner gives a spanking like Tony to teams that embrace tanking.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. I hate tanking. I hate it more than you do. You hate load management? I hate tanking because I'm watching the team in Washington do it for three full years.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 84th birthday. Paul Krause, the Hall of Fame safety for the Minnesota Vikings, played 16 seasons in the NFL. He was an eight time Pro Bowler and three times first team All Pro. But the big number for Krause is 81. That's how many interceptions Krause had off 45 different quarterbacks. And that's an NFL record that is unlikely to be broken. Number two on the all time list is Emlyn Tennell with 79 of more recent vintage. Charles Woodson had 65, Ed Reed had 64. The current active leader is the 37 year old Harrison Smith of the Vikings with 39. After him, currently Kevin Byard, 36. After him, currently Xavian Howard, 29. So Kraus record looks safe.
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Mike Wilbon
Mike My whole childhood I saw Paul Krause going the other way with passes from Bears quarterbacks. And back then people say, well why were there so many? Because quarterbacks threw the ball down the field. There was no west coast offense. Passes didn't go left and right, they went down the field, were riskier and easier to intercept. But Paul Krause, man, he was a great one all time.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy, happy anniversary Oklahoma City Thunder. On this day 14 years ago, Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook teamed up for 91 points and Serge Ibaka contributed a triple double featuring 11 block shots as Oklahoma City defeated Denver in overtime. James Harden came off the Oklahoma city bench, posted 10 points. That team had the look of a champion, but they scattered to the four wins before that promise could be kept. In contrast, the Oklahoma City team that currently is the NBA champion doesn't have anywhere near the star power notwithstanding Shai, Gilgeous, Alexander and probably not the staying power of the Durant, Westbrook, Hard and Thunder, they're all still in the league.
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Mike Wilbon
Tony, you know I agree with every word of that. But let me ask you this. If you were voting on the greatest Thunder player, the greatest OKC player of all time, how would you vote? Who's won?
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Tony Kornheiser
I would vote for somebody who won a championship, wouldn't you? I would do that. I think so. I would do that. Happy trails. The batting second from Mookie Betts. Dodgers manager Dave Roberts says Betts is the likely to drop into the third slot this season. That would make for a first four that would go Shohei Ohtani, Kyle Tucker, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, how do you like them apples? Betts is coming off the worst offensive season of his career as he coped with a Stomach illness that caused him to lose 18 pounds and a positional change to full time shortstop. And the Dodgers still won their second straight World Series.
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Mike Wilbon
I know you're gonna take the Dodgers to three peat. I'll take the field. What do you think?
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, no, no. I would take the Dodgers. I think their pitchers will be. The pitchers would be healthier this year than last year. I believe that top four is probably the best. Top four not only now, but maybe ever. Cause you don't like Tucker. I like Tucker a lot more than you do. And I think he's gonna have a great year. I think I do. So. All right, let's go to the big finish if we could.
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Mike Wilbon
Let's do it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Kristof Porzingis says he's ready to make his warriors debut against the Celtics tonight. Are you excited?
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Mike Wilbon
No, I'll be excited when Stephen Curry is back in the Golden State lineup. That's what looks like me. Yankees infielder Jazz Chisholm tells the Athletic he thinks he can go 5050 this season. Do you?
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, he can get 50 steals. The most home runs he has ever hit is 31. So good luck on 50. And by the way with Porzingis, he may be out after the next game. Suns owner Matt Ishbia posted that tanking is embarrassing, ridiculous and losing behavior by losers. I agree with every single word in that. Hey, tanking, your thoughts?
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Mike Wilbon
I agree. It's just not as big a problem as load management. So there we will park company Eagles offensive tackle Lane Johnson will return for a 14th season. Big deal.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's a very big deal. He's a great, great lineman. And by the way, Adam Silver says there's gonna be rules against tanking. You conveniently left that out.
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Mike Wilbon
See how that last one.
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Tony Kornheiser
Kistons at Knicks tonight. Who you got?
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Mike Wilbon
The knicks lost by 38 to the Pistons last time they played. And the Pistons aren't even gonna have, you know, Jalen Dorn. They're not gonna have Isaiah sp Stewart tonight. The Knicks had better win and they had better win by a lot.
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Tony Kornheiser
What will you do? Yell at them. Will you yell at them tomorrow?
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Mike Wilbon
I just did.
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Rich Eisen
Will you?
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Tony Kornheiser
We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser. Mike's yelling.
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Mike Wilbon
The team of your youth. Not me. I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads.
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