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Tony A naked man in Colorado broke into a police cruiser took or a joyride.
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I'm Tony Kornheiser. I'm still not sure how I got to Colorado. I don't remember that.
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All these stories are either AI or they're, you know, a takeoff on a Florida man. And I don't believe.
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I think they're real. I think they're all real. I think the Florida man. I think all of these are real. And I don't really understand your insistence that they're not real, but don't believe. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Chicago Bears threaten to move to Indiana. Another college quarterback enters the Portal and Booger McFarlane joins us to break down this weekend's college football playoff games. But we begin today with tonight's Thursday night game. A really good one. The Seahawks hosting the rams. The Rams are 11 3, currently are the number one seed in the NFC. Seattle is also 113 and at the moment is the number one wild card. Five weeks ago these teams met in LA and the Rams won 21 to 19, intercepting Sam Darnold four times. Wilbon what is at stake for each team?
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The number one seed? A division championship. You know, more than likely, although the Rams schedule is so easy, you can just sort of paint theirs in and a better road to deeper in the playoffs. I don't want to say super bowl, but that's what we're talking about, Tony. These are the two teams that sort of hold all the cards right now. And I, I know that at the trade deadline I said I thought that Seattle was going to win and be the number one seed in the, in the National Football Conference. Well, that's at stake. That's what's at stake tonight. And so even though you know they've got a harder path, so I think that Sam Darnold holds all of Seattle's cars. He can't go out there and get picked off multiple times. But Seattle, and I know you remember that game because you did pick the Rams to win that game. Seattle nearly won that game despite Sam Darnold's performance on a last second field goal. They damn near did. So I got Seattle, I got Darnold playing a lot better and I got Seattle winning at home tonight against the Rams.
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So I'm not going to disagree with any of that. And you know that I have the Rams in the super bowl and I believe that the Rams are the best team in the NFL right now. But I'm not sure I like them tonight because as you say, they intercepted Darnold four times and at home still only won by two points. And there was a 61 yard field goal that didn't make it. But if it had, Seattle was going to win that. So it just doesn't feel like they can do that again. Mike, we have spent this whole year if we isolate on a team that we think is a really good team in week A, that team seems to always lose in week B. I could go through Detroit, I could go through Green Bay, Philadelphia, Buffalo. Some people thought New England. I think this maybe is. It's the Rams turn to be in that box and lose. I mean, their second best receiver, Devontae Adams, who is a touchdown machine, he's got 14 touchdowns. I don't think he's got a bad hamstring. His status is unclear. And the other part is Seattle, I think is the loudest venue in the league. That's outdoors. The Rams haven't heard anything like that. So even though I think the Rams are a better team, I don't like them tonight.
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Big game.
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I don't really.
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Cool game tonight.
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Yeah, yeah. Let's move to a story that has your name all over it, Wilbon. It's about the Chicago Bears maybe becoming the Indiana Bears on the verge of their most important home game in years. Hosting the Packers Saturday night, a game you went to Chicago to see in person.
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That's right.
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President of the Bears, your good friend Kevin Warren, your boy, said the Bears are looking into the possibility of a new stadium in Indiana. Wilbon, how do you feel about the timing of this?
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You See the clock up there says a minute 30 or so and ticking down, you can bring that down to about six seconds. The Bears are not going to ever have their home games played in. They're never going to move to Indiana. Never. Did I stumble? Did I stammer? Never going to play in Indiana. I don't care about this. They announced they were going to play on the lakefront. They had renderings I could show you. Wait, they're not on the lakefront yet. That building is not being constructed.
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Wait.
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The McCasky family bought all the land in Arlington Heights and they're going to move to Arlington Heights. And it's been announced Arlington Heights. But they're not playing there yet. And now this is politics. This is the second most political city in Chicago. The in the country behind Washington. I live in both the Bears. Let me say it one more time for people on the west coast are never moving to Indiana. You got that?
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You took a lot more than 15 seconds. You said 15 seconds. 15 seconds and you went.
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We had to fit. All right.
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I don't know what to say about this because the Chicago Bears to me are the Chicago Bears. Yeah. They've been there for 100 years. The governor of Illinois basically said what is going on here? Of course, I mean I could understand if you were moving out of the city of Chicago to something nearby in the state of Illinois. But Indiana is another state. Right? I have my geography right. That's another state.
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Yeah, but it's closer than Arlington Heights.
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The sighting revenue is.
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I can walk there from where I grew up. It's not about geography. They're not playing in another state.
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You cannot have it in another state. We had the same thing where I'm sitting in Washington D.C. last year where Ted Leon says attempted to move the Wizards and the Capitals to Virginia out of the capital, the United States of America. And he announced that while he was in negotiations with the District of Columbia. Right. At that time I used the word villainous. I can't believe you don't feel the same thing about this. That it is in villain.
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No, because it doesn't matter. It's not villainous. I understand people need leverage. People need to do what they need to do to get the wheels turning to threaten this group to make that group move quicker. It listen to me, this story which is getting a lot of run here in Chicago, it's a non story cuz it ain't happening.
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Okay?
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Just like I told you.
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Huh?
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That was never going to happen in Washington. Washington.
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You and I knew that In Washington right now they're moving the football team back in inside the line and people are rejoicing as a result of that.
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As it should be. Okay, I'm not even sure. Arlington Heights, I don't believe that. Now let's turn to something that matters. College football and a growing number of quarterbacks hitting the transfer portal. Missouri's Bo Pribula is now heading into it joining Nebraska's Dylan Raiola, Florida's DJ Lagway and Cincinnati's Brendan Sorsby. Heisman Trophy winner Fernando Menzoza. He was a transfer, as you remember, as was runner up Diego Pavia. Tony USA Today's Matt Hayes wonders whether the quarterback carousel now rivals the coaching carousel. What do you think?
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Does it rival it? No, it's left it in the dust. Are you kidding me? The last three Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks were all transfers. Mendoza is a transfer. Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, before that, Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, they were all transfers. The three quarterbacks who were finalists for the Heisman this year, all transfers. Mendoza, Pavia and the kid from Ohio State saying the last three coaches to win the national championship, Ryan Day basically came up the system in Ohio State. Jim Harbaugh didn't transfer from another college, he came in from the pros. And Kirby Smart I don't think was a head coach before he got the Georgia job. So yeah. So though there are hundreds, maybe thousands of people in the transfer portal, the college stuff, this was an anomaly year. This was a freak year because all those coaches, big name coaches were fired in the middle of the season. It's.
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That doesn't touch quarterbacks. The college quarterbacks all transfer. Who gives a damn? 80% of them transfer.
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Well, Indiana cares.
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They all transfer. They all do. So it doesn't matter. Let me tell you about a coaching. Let me tell you about two guys that going to be on the coaching carousel or two schools that could be in the coaching carousel. And after tonight, okay, because when Alabama loses to Oklahoma, let me say it again, when Alabama loses to Oklahoma, the coach of Alabama, half the people in the state will want to run him out and he'll be on a carousel. Oh wait, that's a G5 being flown to Ann Arbor, Michigan where he has said, oh no, I got no interest in that. He'll have interest later tonight and then Alabama will be in the coaching care tomorrow night. They'll be tomorrow, they'll be looking tomorrow, 20 here Friday, tomorrow, Friday, Friday, who cares?
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Right? Right.
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The Alabama is going to have that. You're a job on the line situation in 24 hours and then headed to Michigan. Once he loses and then Alabama's looking then what are you going to say?
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This is. Your anger is voluminous. It is. Let's take a break. Coming up, should Alabama be favored Oklahoma over Oklahoma Norman tomorrow night we'll ask Pulgr McFarlane seem he favors Obviously Wilbot doesn't think so.
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Just told you he was going to win. We'll also ask him if either Tulane or James Madison has a chance of pulling off an upset. Sari I'm angry because of this stupid Indiana story. It's lame and it's not going to happen and we just spit up.
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Quarterback is a transfer.
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You are watching. Pardon the interruption. Presented by Grey Goose Part of Happy Hour. We've got football questions for our great friend who has chosen to celebrate part of his birthday. Talking to two old muppets, ESPN NFL and college football analyst Booger McFarlane, wearing a shirt from Dallas. Let's start with this. The college playoff kicks off tomorrow night. Oklahoma beat Alabama at Alabama early this season and and yet until today, I think Alabama was favored in this game. They're not. Right now. Do you see the Sooners as having the edge again the second time around?
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Yeah, I don't know if the Sooners have the edge and I think I can understand why. Alabama's favorite I think you know the odds makers and the betters. Look at Alabama's offense and the ceiling has been higher for the offense of Alabama, when you talk about Ty Simpson, Jeremy Bernard, Ryan Williams, that offense has been really explosive. Now, I know Alabama can't run the football, but they're going to be going against the best part of the Sooners team, which is their defense. And I think if you're a better or you're an odds maker, you're looking at the Sooner's offense and man, they've been abysmal. Ever since John Mattia broke his thumb in the Red river rivalry against Texas, the offense really hasn't looked the same. So am I surprised? Not really. And if you also remember the last time they played in Tuscaloosa, Alabama turned the football over three times. Tony, one of them was the pick six. So can you really count on getting three turnovers from Alabama again? I don't know. I'd probably favor Alabama again. Also, I think their ceiling is a little bit higher than Oklahoma. Although we've seen one thing in these playoffs, home field advantage does matter. It's going to be an amazing scene in Norman, Oklahoma tomorrow night.
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Okay, so we go from tomorrow night booger to a super Saturday of football from dawn till, you know, midnight. It seems starting with Miami heading to Texas A and M, you see a clear cut advantage for one or the other.
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You know, Texas A and M has been the better team all season long. When you look at what they've done. Mike Elko has done a fantastic job. Marcel Reed, Casey Concepcion, Mario Craver, like it's an. It's a very explosive team. I think the issue for Texas A and M is going to be what happens if Miami plays to their ceiling. Because Miami has been Jekyll and high. They've been up and down all season long. Carson Beck, I don't know what he's doing down in South Beach. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad. He's throwing four or five picks in a game. If he plays a clean game and plays to the level that Carson Beck can play, this game is going to go back and forth. I'd favor Texas A and M because they're the home team. But let's not forget Miami has two defensive ends, Mazador and Bane. Both of them are going to be drafted probably on the first two days of the NFL draft next year. If they can contain Marcel Reed, they're going to put the pressure on somebody else on A and M to make a play. And then it gets really Dicey for the 12th man in college Station.
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I like how you have that one potentially going back and forth. Nobody has the next Game. I'm going to ask you about going back and forth the two G5 teams. Tulane playing Ole Miss. And of course, James Madison's Tony's favorite, playing Oregon. Yeah, Booger, do you see a possibility for either of the G5 of the G5 team scoring an upset in those matchups?
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You know what, guy? I would love to come on here and say it's going to be an upset. But listen, I think first of all, Oregon, Oregon can name their score against James Madison. Nothing against jmu. I like Bob Chesney. He's leaving to go to LA to coach ucla. He probably should have went ahead and went right now because this score is going to get ugly up in Alton Stadium in Eugene, Oregon. As far as Ole missing Tulane, I'm not saying it's going to be an upset, but here's what I am saying. I think the game is going to be a lot closer. The last time Tulane went to Oxford, Ole Miss beat him by 35 points. And you got to know that Tulane is going to come in there and they're going to be sitting up there saying, you know what? They can't do it again. John Summerall, the coach at Tulane, is not a coach at Florida. He's a very, very good football coach. I think he keeps this game close. And here's the key. This is the Ole misses coach Pete Golding's first game. Remember, Lane Kiffin is in Baton Rouge. He allowed the offensive coordinator to go back to Oxford and call plays. So there's a lot of back and forth and a lot of confusion maybe potentially there for Ole Miss. This game is going to be close. I would still favor Ole Miss, but I think there is a chance this game could be really close in the second half.
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I have to say how happy I was to hear Wilbond start Talking about the G5, which a term I'm sure he heard just this morning. And that's because he's so familiar with flying on a G4 that he understands G5. We'll get you out of here on this. We have a very big game in the NFL tonight. It really is the Rams and the Seahawks. What do you think the key will be in this one, Booger?
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I think the key is going to be Sam Donald. Remember the last time we saw Sam Donald in one of these games where the winner is probably going to be the one seed, the loser is going to be the five? He was playing for Minnesota against Detroit and Sam Donald wet the bed. So now we get another opportunity to see Sam Donald in One of these games because in all likelihood the winner of this game is going to be the number one seed and get the buy. The loser is going to have to go on the road to take on either Carolina or the Buccaneers. And I think if you're Sam Donald, you got to play a clean football game. You can't go out there and see goals like they said you saw four or five years ago. You got to be clean. Because I think if you're Sam Donna, and you're Seattle with no Devonte Adams for the Rams, I think you should win this game. But it's going to be up to him to play a clean football game. They got to run the football. But I would favor Seattle in this game, especially with no Devonte Adams with the hamstring. And I don't think he's going to play tonight. At least I wouldn't play him. I'd sit him down and he would get 10 days rest. I think Sam Donald is the ultimate key, Tony. If he plays well, I think Seattle wins. If he sees ghost, I'm going to.
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Favor L. A Now, Booger, thanks very much and happy birthday. Happy birthday.
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Appreciate it.
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Appreciate it. Gentlemen, as always, enjoy spending my birthday with you guys.
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Yeah.
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Good. Let's take one last break. Still to come, the NBA reportedly considers holding the NBA cup championship at Cameron. What? At Cameron.
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That would be. That judgment would be about like Booger enjoying spending his birthday with us. And Oklahoma City returns to the court tonight for the first time since losing to the Spurs. They're not playing that thing at that. Stop it. Stop it.
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Why would you play an NBA tournament on a college gym?
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They're not. There are all kinds of stupid venue questions out there today. We of course had one earlier.
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Pardon the interruption is presented by Great Goose. Make time wait. Please enjoy responsibly. Part of happy Hour Happy time people. Happy 25th birthday. Jayden Daniels, last year's NFL Rookie of the Year, has had nothing but trouble this year. Daniels has missed seven games with three different injuries a knee, a hamstring, an elbow. Daniels has thrown eight touchdown passes and three interceptions and has a 25 record this year as Washington starter. Last year he was 12 5. Took the Commanders to the NFC Championship game this week. Dan Quit said Daniels would be shut down for the rest of this season. So Daniels has gone from Heisman trophy winner in 2023 to rookie of the year in 2024 to a season fully lost in 2025. But happy birthday.
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Well, this just means next year, Tony, he can be comeback player of the year. How about that four title? Is there a trophy for that? You know, I hope he's healthy and I hope he's right there. Joe Burrow did that right there playing for him.
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Joe Burrow did that twice. Actually burrowed. Happy anniversary Wayne Gretzky. On this day, 42 years ago, the Great One scored his 100th point of the season in Edmonton's 34th game, a 75 win over Winnipeg. Yes, I said 100 points. In 34 games, Gretzky had two goals and two assists to get to 100 points faster than any player in NHL history. He finished the season with 205 points and was only good for for his fourth best scoring season ever. Gretzky is the only NHL player to get to 200 points. He did it four times. Gretzky scored over 100 points 15 times, 13 of them consecutively. Mario Lemieux is second with 10100 point seasons. Connor McDavid is working on his ninth.
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Nobody owns a record book in a league like Wilt owns the NBA record book. But there are places, Tony. There are chapters, as you know, where Gretzky has a Wilt like hold on some of those important numbers.
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He's the greatest player of all time. I think we all know that.
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Absolutely.
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Happy trails to Kevin Garnett's separation from the Timberwolves. Garnett has reportedly agreed to join his old team in an unspecified off court role and will have his jersey retired in the next two years. Garnett's frigid relations with the organization have thawed under new owners Mark Lore and Alex Rodriguez. Garnett told The Athletic in 2020 that previous owner Glenn Taylor had broken promises made to him adding, quote, I don't do business with snakes. I don't do business with snake mother bleepers. I try not to do business with people who are openly snakes or people who are snake like unquote fascinated with snakes, is he not?
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Yeah, none of that has anything to do with Kevin Garnett. Look, there are people in that state like Kirby Puckett and Harmon Killebrew and Tony Oliva and Fran Tarkenton and the Purple People Eaters who may have had a greater hole for longer. But Kevin Garnett ought to be associated with that franchise in Minnesota.
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Big finish quickly. The NBA is reportedly considering hosting the NBA cup title game at a college arena like Duke's Cameron Indoor. Do you like that?
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No, it's dumb. College towns don't care about the NBA. Back to back's Cy Young Award winner Tarik Skubal announced he will play for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic. Your thoughts?
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That's great. Is he going to play for the Tigers or is he on the block? 242 Thunder host the 620 Clippers tonight. You're not smelling upset, are you?
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The upset will be if SGA plays at all in the the fourth quarter. That'll be the upset. Nationals hired 31 year old Ani Khalambi as their new GM. You excited?
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31 there, 33 year old manager, 35 year old GM. They're like kids taking out their dad's car. Last one Xbox bowl tonight. Missouri State, Arkansas State. Which state do you prefer?
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I got a game on Amazon Prime I'm gonna stream just like you.
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I don't Time. Time.
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Episode: "What's at Stake in the Rams/Seahawks TNF Matchup?"
Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon
Special Guest: Booger McFarland (ESPN NFL & College Football Analyst)
Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon break down the high-stakes Thursday Night Football clash between the Los Angeles Rams and the Seattle Seahawks, both leading the NFC at 11-3. The episode also tackles the Chicago Bears stadium saga, the evolving chaos of the college football transfer portal, and features in-depth college football playoff analysis courtesy of guest Booger McFarland.
"Seattle nearly won that game despite Sam Darnold's performance... I got Seattle, I got Darnold playing a lot better and I got Seattle winning at home tonight against the Rams." (02:33)
"Even though I think the Rams are a better team, I don't like them tonight." (04:18)
"The Bears are not going to ever have their home games played in... Indiana. Never... This is politics." (04:59)
"At that time I used the word villainous. I can't believe you don't feel the same thing about this." (06:31)
"It's a non-story 'cause it ain't happening." (07:19)
"The last three Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks were all transfers... This was a freak year because all those coaches, big name coaches were fired in the middle of the season." (08:18)
"The college quarterbacks all transfer. Who gives a damn? 80% of them transfer." (09:17)
"When Alabama loses to Oklahoma... the coach of Alabama, half the people in the state will want to run him out..." (09:25)
"Alabama turned the football over three times. Can you really count on getting three turnovers from Alabama again? I don't know. I'd probably favor Alabama again." (13:02)
"If he plays a clean game and plays to the level that Carson Beck can play, this game is going to go back and forth. I'd favor Texas A&M because they're the home team." (14:25)
"Oregon can name their score against James Madison... this score is going to get ugly up in Alton Stadium in Eugene." (15:55)
"I think the game is going to be a lot closer... Tulane is going to come in there and they're going to be sitting up there saying, you know what? They can't do it again." (15:55)
"I think Sam Donald is the ultimate key, Tony. If he plays well, I think Seattle wins. If he sees ghosts, I'm going to favor L.A." (17:29-18:30)
Wilbon (on Bears in Indiana):
"Never. Did I stumble? Did I stammer? Never going to play in Indiana." (05:01)
Tony (on consistent upsets and NFC power teams):
"If we isolate on a team that we think is a really good team in week A, that team seems to always lose in week B." (03:38)
Booger McFarland (on playoff chaos):
"In all likelihood the winner of this game is going to be the number one seed and get the bye. The loser is going to have to go on the road..." (17:29)
Booger (on JMU’s fate):
"Bob Chesney... probably should have went ahead and went right now because this score is going to get ugly up in Alton Stadium in Eugene, Oregon." (15:55)
Tony (joking at Wilbon’s expense):
"Happy to hear Wilbond start talking about the G5, which a term I'm sure he heard just this morning. And that's because he's so familiar with flying on a G4..." (17:07)
This episode offers a deep dive into the playoff landscape of the NFC, with particular focus on what the Rams/Seahawks outcome will mean for seeding and future Super Bowl hopes. The hosts also cover the ongoing stadium drama in Chicago with humor and local insight, before shifting to the ever-chaotic world of college football’s transfer portal and playoff picture—with Booger McFarland providing sharp, actionable previews and predictions for key matchups.
If you want a punchy, personality-driven breakdown of the week in football with a side of sports media theatrics, this episode delivers all the essentials.