Who had the BEST Win in NFL Week 4?

Summary

PTI Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Who had the BEST Win in NFL Week 4?
Date: September 29, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser (B), Michael Wilbon (A)

Episode Overview

This spirited PTI episode, hosted by Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon, breaks down the pivotal moments of the sports weekend, centering on which NFL team notched the most impressive Week 4 win. The hosts debate Jackson Dart’s breakout for the Giants, evaluate the shifting fortunes in MLB as playoff spots are settled, dissect Europe's clinch of the Ryder Cup amid fan controversy, and recap the wildest results in college football.

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NFL: Who Had the Best Win in Week 4?

Segment starts: [00:56]

Main Points:

• Multiple contenders for the best NFL win: Chiefs, Eagles, Rams, Giants, Bears, Lions, Steelers.
• Wilbon is emphatic: it’s the Giants’ rookie QB Jackson Dart’s debut win.

Wilbon:

“I'm going to go to a guy that wanted home in his very first start as a rookie... Jackson dart. ...he seems like a big, tough, rambunctious, fearless kid.” [01:43]

• Dart replaced a benched Russell Wilson and led the previously winless Giants to defeat the undefeated Chargers (“San Diego superchargers”).
• Tony agrees: the Giants’ win breaks the “juggernaut” Chargers’ streak, and it’s a “big time win.” Both hosts praise the team for putting Dart in and speculate Brian Daboll should have played him earlier.

Runner-up Best Win:

• The Lions, who scored 34 points on the Browns—previously hailed for their top defense.

Tony:

“The Lions have passed them [the Packers]... earlier this season it was the Pack who beat the Lions and then you came out the next day and said they're number one. Number one in the Wilbon ratings. Power ratings. Right?” [03:10]

Worst Loss of the Week:

• The Baltimore Ravens, who fell to 1-3 after a brutal 37-20 loss to the Chiefs and have given up large amounts of points to top-tier foes.

“They're not a playoff team right now.” – Tony [04:12]

Notable Segment:
Malik Nabers, Giants receiver, is out for the season—a “sad note,” raising questions about the team’s future passing game. [04:15]

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MLB Playoff Field Set

Segment starts: [04:45]

Key Insights:

• Headlines: Mets are out, despite the highest payroll in baseball ($342 million).

“Here’s the Marlins payroll. $67 million. So I'll get to the matchups in a second, but we can agree on the Mets being out. That's the notable.” – Tony [05:34]

• AL: Tigers, Guardians in; Astros miss playoffs for the first time since 2016.
• The downside of the “bye” for top baseball teams: Both hosts agree they'd rather keep playing to maintain rhythm rather than wait a week (“I don’t want to be in the bye if I’m in baseball.” – Tony [05:43]).

Intriguing Matchups:

• Yankees vs. Red Sox, Padres vs. Cubs.
• Padres lauded for “murderer’s row” lineup, though Tony insists Phillies' batting order is still better.

Fun Moment:
Cubs’ best pitcher Kate Horton is out due to an unusual injury (“He coughed and broke a rib. He cracked a rib. ...That’s so cubbish.” – Wilbon [07:15]).

• PTI hosts have a soft spot for the underdog Cincinnati Reds, but agree they aren’t likely to beat the Dodgers.

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Ryder Cup: European Dominance and Controversy

Segment starts: [08:28]

Dramatic Recap:

• Europe led big for two days, barely scraping victory as the US nearly mounted a historic Sunday comeback.
• Both hosts were glued to their screens, switching from football when the golf drama heated up.

Key Moments:

• Cameron Young (birdie on 18, beating Justin Rose) [09:22]
• Justin Thomas (birdie on 18, beat Tommy Fleetwood)
• Bryson DeChambeau and Scottie Scheffler surged late, but Shane Lowry’s putt sealed Europe’s defense [09:39].

On the Partisan Crowd:

• Both hosts and golf legend Tom Watson criticize the unruly, jingoistic, and sometimes abusive crowd behavior (“Rory McIlroy was treated abysmally... There’s no place in sports to have chants cursing at a player and his family and throwing a beer.” – Tony [10:26])

Quote:

“If you don’t want to listen to us or anybody else, the great Tom Watson went to social media to say, no, no, no, this is wrong.” – Wilbon [10:02]

• They agree: Europeans simply do the “team thing” better than the US [12:24].

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NFL: Cowboys, Packers, and Micah Parsons

Segment starts: [14:24]

Discussion:

• Cowboys-Packers tie; both teams have glaring flaws.
• Micah Parsons (Cowboys LB) cannot feel proud after the defense gave up 40 points.

“No, you can’t feel great about that... They gave up 40.” – Wilbon [14:32]

Stat Highlight:

• Dallas: number one in offense (404 yards/game), but gives up 420 yards (“It’s bad math.” – Tony [15:41])
• Dak Prescott’s strong play overshadowed by suspect defense.
• Takeaway: Packers may be worse than thought; Cowboys are “fatally flawed.” Jerry Jones is relieved by not losing to Parsons.

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College Football: Biggest Weekend Results

Segment starts: [16:34]

Top Stories:

• Multiple big results: Ole Miss beats LSU to go 5-0, Virginia upsets Florida State, and Penn State falls in overtime to Oregon.
• Ultimate “headline”: Alabama marches into Georgia and wins.

“Alabama goes to Georgia, wins that game. You said that would never happen.” – Tony [17:09]

• Kaylen DeBoer (Alabama coach) praised for his remarkable record vs. ranked teams.

Penn State's Woes:

• James Franklin now 4-21 versus Top 10 teams.

“He, they don’t beat anybody.” – Wilbon [18:14]

Notable Banter:
Tony compares Kirby Smart’s troubles with Alabama to Ryan Day’s struggles with Michigan (“Alabama his kryptonite in the way that Michigan is Ryan Day’s kryptonite.” – Tony [17:42])

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Additional Headlines & Happy Time

Segment starts: [21:08]

Kevin Durant Turns 37 [21:08]

• Recap of KD’s career, statistical feats, but notes his lack of postseason success since leaving the Warriors.

Quote:

“Durant is a statistical wonder... yet another team he is no longer with.” – Tony [21:48]

Van Brocklin’s Passing Record Anniversary [22:13]

• Still holds the NFL record (554 yards, 5 touchdowns).

Notable Line:

“They gave me a sportswriter’s brain to make sure I got one that hadn’t been used.” – Van Brocklin, quoted by Tony [22:45]

Lynx Eliminated from WNBA Playoffs [22:58]

• Mercury advance after overcoming a 13-point deficit; the Lynx were without key personnel due to injury/suspension.

Quick Hits (Big Finish) [23:59]

• Giants fire Bob Melvin, Twins fire Rocco Baldelli (“Seven seasons is a long time, but the Giants expected to be better this year.” – Wilbon [24:08])
• Brock Purdy’s toe injury could be serious for the 49ers
• Warriors sign Al Horford; drama around Jonathan Kuminga’s absence.
• Jets-Dolphins and Bengals-Broncos: low excitement.
• Big Bunny (Bad Bunny) to headline Super Bowl halftime (“Not a big fan of that.” – Wilbon [24:56])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jackson Dart’s debut:
  “I don't know how you start any other win than that.” – Wilbon [02:27]

• On the Giants’ upset:
  “This is a big time win because the Chargers were undefeated and appeared to be a juggernaut and the Giants beat them.” – Tony [02:39]

• On the crowd at the Ryder Cup:
  “There’s no place in sports to have chants of cursing at a player and his family and throwing a beer.” – Tony [10:26]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:56] NFL Week 4: Best Win Debate
• [04:45] MLB Playoff Matchups & Discussion
• [08:28] Ryder Cup Recap & Crowd Debate
• [14:24] Mailbag: Micah Parsons & Cowboys-Packers Tie
• [16:34] College Football’s Most Compelling Results
• [21:08] Happy Time – Kevin Durant's Birthday, Van Brocklin, WNBA Update
• [23:59] The Big Finish: MLB Manager Firings, NFL Injuries, Super Bowl Halftime

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Wrap-Up

Kornheiser and Wilbon bring trademark banter and sharp insight to the landscape of early fall sports—saluting Jackson Dart’s historic debut, bemoaning the fortunes of big-spending MLB teams, and lamenting fan behavior impacting the Ryder Cup. Their quick wit and willingness to challenge each other make the recap lively for any sports fan tuning in after the fact.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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I'm Tony Kornheiser. Really? We're on espn. Two oh two. Oh yeah.

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Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, baseball's playoffs are set. College football's weekend was wild and Europe retains the Ryder Cup. But we begin today with the NFL and we are searching for the best win of any NFL team yesterday. And notice I said best win. That eliminates the Cowboys and the packers who tied, but we will get to them later. Wilbon, let me refresh your memory. Among the winners were the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Rams, the Giants, your Bears, the Lions and the Steelers in Dublin. So who had the best win?

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Only one of those teams went out there and those just, you know, they're good wins, particularly anytime you went on the road. But I'm not going to start with the Bears at Raiders, even though that made me happy.

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Right.

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I'm going to go to a guy that wanted home in his very first start as a rookie.

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Are you doing this to me again? What? Do you want to look at these notes?

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Are you doing this to me again? I apparently am because Jackson dart.

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Tony.

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Here's what I was impressed by. He's just a. He seems like a big, tough, rambunctious, fearless kid.

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Do you like his dance in the end zone?

[A]

No, the dance I was a little annoyed with. But I like the way he ran over people. He's going to break his right throwing hand attempting to stiff arm people. That's not the smartest move. But Tony, they were winless. They Bench Russ, I don't think this is going to work at all. They're playing the San Diego superchargers and I thought that that was going to be four. And they beat a team that hadn't lost a game. And they hadn't won a game.

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Yes, that's right.

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I don't know how you start any other win than that.

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So this is exactly how I felt when I learned that this was a story that we were going to do. I'm not going to say the Giants are good team because they're not a good team.

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No.

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But this is a big time win because the Chargers were undefeated and appeared to be a juggernaut and the Giants beat them. The Giants who hadn't done anything and it was the coming out party of Jackson Dart, as you say. Now he got a win. I'm not saying he was great, but he was good enough. And I think Brian Daboll has to say to himself, why did I wait until game four to throw this kid out there? I thought the second best win was the Lions and I know that. The Lions.

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The Lions, yeah.

[B]

I'm tell you why Lions are at home. I understand they beat the Browns. Right? The Browns are at home. The Browns are not a good team. But what happened last week with the Browns. The Browns, if I'm not mistaken, smothered the Packers.

[A]

Yes, they did.

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And everybody said they had the best defense in the entire league. And the lions put 34 on them. And earlier this season it was the packers who beat the Lions. And then you came out the next day and said they're number one. Number one in the Wilbon ratings. Power ratings. Right?

[A]

Yes, I did too.

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I think the Lions have passed them. Now I want to go the other way on this question. I want to say worst loss because I don't think it's the Chargers and I don't think it's Tampa Bay which had a chance to win. I don't think it's the Colts which had a chance to win.

[A]

A good win by the Eagles.

[B]

It was a fine win, especially considering they completed no passes in the second half.

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That's right.

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The worst loss was the Baltimore Ravens. The Baltimore. No, it's the worst loss. They played three good teams. Now Kansas City, they have played. They got pasted by the Chiefs. What was the number? 37? 20. And now they're one and three. They have played a really tough schedule. They have lost to the Bills. They have lost to the Lions. They have lost to the Chiefs. Right. But they gave up 116 points in those games. They're not a playoff team right now.

[A]

No, but by the way, here's why you have to have a. At least it's not even a footnote, because it's a sad note on the Giants. Malik Neighbors going out.

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He's outdid.

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I mean, you talk about the encouragement you would have if you had neighbors and you had Jackson dart throwing to him, and now he's out for the season.

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You don't want to go crazy because, what, Carson Wentz looked good the first time. You know, people come in the first time and they look good.

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They do one game and then you get. But the question is, which is the best win?

[B]

This kid had a really good win. Yeah, that's the Giants.

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Let's move to the baseball playoffs, which are finally locked. The National League. The Reds are in and the gagging Mets. Get out of here. Over in the American League, both the Tigers and Guardians made it, and we'll play each other again. But the Astros are out for the first time since 2016. And for you, I 95ers Soks. Yanks start tomorrow. Tony, your reaction to who made it, who didn't, and the initial matchups.

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Okay, so the headline on who didn't make it is. You're right, it's the Mets, the highest payroll in baseball. Wow. They didn't make it because they got shut out by a division opponent, the Marlins, who beat them two out of three in this series. The Marlins, a team that finished four games under.500. Here's the Mets back in the Mets, though. Here's The Mets payroll. $342 million.

[A]

They won, right?

[B]

Yeah. Here's the Marlins payroll. $67 million. So I'll get to the matchups in a second, but we can agree on.

[A]

The Mets being out. That's the notable.

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I just want to say this early. You know how I feel about this. Baseball is an everyday sport. That is the rhythm of baseball. I don't want to be in the bye if I'm in baseball. I want to be with the Yankees and Dodgers are having to play in the wild card. I want to play because this isn't football. Now, what is attractive? Yankees and Red Sox is attractive. Padres and Cubs is attractive. I'm disappointed in Detroit and Cleveland because.

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We just saw it.

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It feels so regional. We just saw it for six games.

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We need to know the Yanks no more regional than that.

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We've. It was 51 Cleveland. So I'm. I'm dis.

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No, I'm with you. By the Way.

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The.

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The Astros. We need to go back over that a little bit more. Who have been in the postseason eight straight years.

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Yeah.

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They've been a dominating seven times in the Champions League Championship Series, four times in the World Series and twice won it. The Astros being out, that's a bummer to me.

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Okay? But things end. Things end.

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Apparently I. Apparently. So I'm with you on not wanting to have a buy. A buy for a week. This is like college football when they get a buy for a month.

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No.

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And they're out. No. I like it. Listen. And you may not advance. I'd rather the Cubs be playing three days. And by the way, the Dodgers. I'm sorry, the Padres. The Padres lineup is a murderer's role.

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It is.

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They got.

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No, no, no.

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They got.

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It's not as good as Phillies lumber.

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It's not as good as Philly. It's one to nine.

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That's there. Yeah, yeah.

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You got a guy like Arise, who people forget has won, what, three batting championships. He's in the San Diego lineup with Tatis.

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But this picture. The rookie's going to pitch, isn't he?

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No, cuz. Kate Horton. He coughed and broke a rib. He cracked a rib.

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Unbelievable.

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A coughing spill. Somebody gave him a cold. That person should be suspended. So now we don't have our best. That's so cubbish. We don't have our best pitcher since Jake Arietta. We don't have that guy to go against that lineup. And I don't know how we get through. Even though we have three at Wrigley and they're all afternoon games. I wanted to go see a night game. I can't because ABC stole the afternoon games and put Cubs Padres on. I guess that's a good thing. Sox. Yanks is too early. I like Sox. Yanks, too. Not, not. Not. 23-10-1.

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The Cubs are going to be playing against PTI tomorrow.

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Three days in a row. I might not be here.

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I know you would agree with me on this.

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What?

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That we find ourselves with a soft spot in our hearts for Cincinnati. Cause Terry Francona is the manager there. Do you know that they don't have a single hitter who batted as high as.270 or had 25 home runs? No, they can't beat the Dodgers.

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You got De La Cruz. They got a great player.

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You're going to beat the Dodgers.

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No, Tony, you said that a year or two ago. Didn't Arizona beat the Dodgers?

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I mean, nobody beat him last year.

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But the best team often loses in this very round.

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It's the. I wouldn't want the buy.

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I wouldn't either.

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All right, let's move now to the Ryder cup, which both you and I watched almost all of over three days. The Europeans took a massive lead after the first two days and then barely hung on for dear life yesterday afternoon. Wilbones. What stood out most for you, Tony?

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I guess the drama for about 90 minutes yesterday. Because I started the day thinking, it's football day. They're pretty good matchups. I'm nervous about Bears, Raiders. I'm lined up three TVs on football.

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Yeah.

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And then the.

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And I called you, you called Neville.

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At the same time. Call and say, are you watching the Ryder Cup? And I go, eh, not really.

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Get on it.

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Oh, my God, it's over. It is not going to matter. It's not supposed to matter. We're supposed to sit here and talk about how the United States got drubbed in the team competition and they couldn't make it up. And for a moment, it looked like the greatest pumpkin in the history of sports ever.

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Yeah, it did. It did.

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And so that.

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That is what started with Cameron Young hitting the birdie on came 18 and beating Justin Rose.

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And then Justin Thomas.

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Bertie, 18 and beat Tommy Fleetwood. Unbelievable. And then Bryson DeChambeau made up five strokes and the match. And then Scottie Scheffler, who was Owen.

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Ford at that point, finally wins.

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Beat Rory on 18. And you looked at all the red on one side and you said, could this actually happen? But Shane Lowry said, no.

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Shane Lowry said no. But you know what? There's so many notable things, including the US Dominance. I'm sorry, the European dominance on Friday and Saturday. And Saturday also, you know, we have to talk about the crowd misbehavior.

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Thank you.

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And Tom Watson.

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Thank you.

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If you don't want to listen to us or anybody else. The great Tom Watson went to social media to say, no, no, no, this is wrong.

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I thought about this, and I thought that I was happy that I didn't actually go in person, that I watched on tv, because had I gone in person, I would have been repulsed by the actions of the crowds. There's no place in sports to have chance of cursing at a player and.

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His family and throwing a beer.

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Rory McIlroy was treated abysmally. And part of this is the PGA of America, right, that they ginned up. They deliberately orchestrated and ginned up a thing that had a jingoistic feeling to it. And what I thought to myself was a lot of these people that Are screaming are. Rory McIlroy are the same people who cheered for him in Augusta when he completed the Grand Slam.

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They don't go to Augusta. And I think that PG $750 a Frank, I think PJ had some help from a higher place, and that may.

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Be ginning up and that may be his behavior, but it was not. It overshadowed. Not completely.

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No, not completely. It was so out of place.

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It was a part of it.

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It was. But the golf. You can cheer, boo.

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You can't curse.

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No, you can't.

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And throw stuff.

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This could have been in a studio with silence and the drama of it. Now, I guess part of it. The partisan nature and the passion certainly to it. And by the way, European players, they've won. They've won like, what, like five out of the last seven or something like that.

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So you know what? First of all, Rory played great the first two days. Rom played great the first two days. Fleetwood and Lowry played great. I read with interest and looked at with interest the fact that the captains, Luke Donald and Keegan Bradley put DeChambeau and Rom out there the first two days in every match they could. And that's saying, I don't care that you're on a LIV tour. You're still great players. They shouldn't care. You're still great players. The other thing that got to me, Shane Lowry is from Ireland. He won the British Open. You'd think that's the biggest thing in his life. He said this. He said this was the biggest thing in his life.

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Okay, but three of the majors who played in the United States. The Ryder cup always seems to mean more to the Europeans.

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It does.

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They got to come. They got to leave home to play in three of the four majors.

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Well, most of them live in Florida. So go crazy. Most of them in Florida, at least. But they seem to do the team thing better than we do.

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They do the team thing.

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Let's take a break. Coming up, how should Micah Parsons feel about his return to Big D?

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And Virginia pulled a huge upset, but was that the most compelling result of the college football weekend?

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You know what I would do if I was running, running the Ryder cup? The United States? I'd hire Luke Donald to be my captain. He seems to know how to do it.

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You know where he lives?

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Chicago.

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That's right.

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So I'd hire him.

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Luke Donald.

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Yeah.

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Time to find out what's cooking with the common folk. Let me see what's first in this mailbox.

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Mail time Common folk.

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Here we go. How should Michael Parsons feel about his return to Dallas?

[A]

That's it. That's all a tie. And thankfully he said it afterward. And he talked about how that defense, which he's supposed to lead and be the hall of Famer and be Reggie White Jr. They gave up 40. So they, you know. No, you can't feel great about that. I know we got this semi sack for zero yards on Dak, and they talked about that like it was, you know, the greatest sack of all time. But they didn't, you know, this game was. This was a very, very, very entertaining game.

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Yes.

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This game had all the elements, except not a winner. And so the packers. What does this mean? I watched the Cowboys last week. I know how bad that defense is.

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Right.

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The packers figured to go down there and win that game. Just like the Bears beat the Cowboys last week. Now they're two and two. Yeah.

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So I'm not going to dwell on the game where Micah Parsons, as you say, it was very entertaining. I think what you take away from it is that the packers may not be as good as you thought originally, and the Cowboys may not be as bad, but the Cowboys are Fatally flawed. I'm going to give you numbers that are shocking.

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Defense.

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Dak Prescott is really good. He should get as well.

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He's having a great season.

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They are number one in offense. They get 404 yards a game. They give up 420 their last. You get 404, you give up 420. It's bad math. Yeah, it doesn't work. Dak Prescott is going to end up being year's Joe Burrow. He's going to get 35, 38, 41. And they're not going to win games. You know, the happiest guy in the joint was yesterday, Jerry Jones. Because he didn't lose to Michael Parsons.

[A]

Well, he didn't. But you know what? And I know the packers are two one and one. They're two and two in my book.

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Right, okay.

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Right. Because that's a loss for them. That's how it has to feel. And by the way, so that's the Browns and Cowboys. One team that can't play offense and the other that can't play defense. And they couldn't beat either one of them can't play. So, you know, cheese heads. I'm glad I was wrong on the cheese heads. Early jump to conclusion.

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You did putting them in silver in February.

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College football. What was the most compelling result of the college football weekend?

[B]

Okay, there are a lot of good things to talk about. Ole miss is now 5 0. They beat LSU with a D2 transfer quarterback. Virginia beat Florida State. What? Virginia beats Florida State. And once again James Franklin and Penn State lose to a top 10 team.

[A]

They lose to Oregon, but it was an overtime.

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James Franklin at Penn State now 4 and 21 against top 10 teams. But the number one thing is Alabama. Alabama goes to Georgia, wins that game. You said that would never happen. It was going to be a rot.

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I apologize to Booker McFarlane.

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That's right.

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Who came on this show and killed it. And I did not.

[B]

Okay, so Kaylen DeBoer comes back with Alabama. He is now, I believe, 16 and three against ranked teams throughout the course of his career. He's not James Franklin, but Kirby Smart.

[A]

He can't beat Alabama no matter who's coaching.

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Kirby Smart's one seven against Alabama. 02 against the board. Kirby Smart's overall record is 107 and 13.

[A]

So that means his losses are to Alabama.

[B]

So that means that Alabama his kryptonite in the way that Michigan is Ryan Day's kryptonite.

[A]

Yeah, no, I agree with you on that, but I'm not giving that the.

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Number One result of the weekend.

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What are you giving the number one result of the weekend is Ole Miss beaten lsu, I think, or Penn State. This is supposed to be the year.

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You're being a Big Ten guy.

[A]

You're just going, I am a Big Ten guy. And I will say this. I thought Oregon was going to win that game comfortably. That did not happen.

[B]

No.

[A]

For Penn State, it was a boring.

[B]

Game for a half.

[A]

It was a boring.

[B]

It was three. Three. It was a boring game.

[A]

Penn State needed to win that game and they still can't break through. And I know when I sit there and I hear Franklin talk pridefully about his school and his team, I like him. But he, they don't beat anybody.

[B]

He has proven over a long time that these games, like, if you, if you're Penn State and you are thinking about a national championship, you gotta beat top five, top five teams.

[A]

You got to have won that game at home.

[B]

I may have got Kirby smart whiteout. 10713 is against everyone else. Not against Alabama. So that's 1/3 against Alabama.

[A]

Did he lose to Bear Bryant somewhere along the way?

[B]

Just Saban and Debore. Enough email. Let's take one last break. Still to come, the Giants say see you to Bob Melvin. Is that deserved? That's a wow now.

[A]

And in the wnba, the Mercury move on. Could they face the Catonless Fever in the finals?

[B]

Did you get that wrong?

[A]

What?

[B]

You didn't have Phoenix winning?

[A]

I did.

[B]

You did?

[A]

I did. They didn't have the Fish of Collier. You.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Or. Or.

[C]

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[B]

Happy time people. Happy 37th birthday Kevin Durant Durant continues to orchestrate moves designed to get him a championship, but he hasn't come close anywhere. He's gone since leaving the Warriors. Now Durant is in Houston who just took a big hit when Fred Van Vliet tore his acl.

[A]

Big hit.

[B]

Durant is a statistic statistical wonder. National Player of The year is one season at the University of Texas. NBA All Star 15 times rookie of the year in 2008, two time champion, two time finals MVP with Golden State and a four time scoring champion. Durant averaged 26.6 points and shot 52.7% last season with Phoenix, yet another team he is no longer with.

[A]

If I'm the Houston Rockets and I've dedicated all these resources to beating detectives throning O.K.C. i gotta go get C.J. mcCollum from the Wizards. From your Wizards. C.J. mcCollum. That's the move.

[B]

He's available for a dollar. The Wizards here. Happy anniversary Norm Van Brocklin. This is posthumous but around this day, 74 years ago, the Rams quarterback passed for a still NFL record 554 yards.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Brocklin had five touchdowns as the Rams beat the then New York Yanks. Van Brock won two NFL championships, one with the Rams, one with the Eagles. He was NFL MVP in 1960. After nine Pro Bowls in 12 seasons as a player, Van Brocklin turned to coaching. First coach ever for the Minnesota Vikings. Also coached the Atlanta Falcons. Remember that? Van Brocklin suffered a number of illnesses, including a brain tumor after it was removed, he told the press quote it was a brain transplant. They gave me a sports writer's brain to make sure I got one that hadn't been used.

[A]

That is such a funny line.

[B]

Yeah Too bad we're a sports writer.

[A]

Such a funny line, Tony. The New York Yanks, what did they become? They were around for like two seasons.

[B]

I don't know what they became, but.

[A]

There were hall of Famers who were on that team. On the New York Yanks.

[B]

Happy trails to the Minnesota Lynx. The Phoenix Mercury rallied from a 13 point fourth quarter deficit Sunday to beat the Lynx by five and advance to the WNBA Finals. Minnesota was without injury, star forward Nafisa Collier and head coach Cheryl Reed, who was ejected Friday and suspended for ripping the refs and league leadership over Collier's injury. The Mercury will now meet either the Fever or the Aces. Aaliyah Boston at 24:14 and Kelsey Mitchell scored 25 last night to help Indiana force a series, deciding Game five on Tuesday.

[A]

Afisa Collier is such a great player, I believe. What runner up an mvp for her not to be in that game. It was awful, awful to see her get hurt in that game. But Coach Reeve had to be suspended.

[B]

Wasn't she coming to the defense of her player? And hasn't this gone and on? Hasn't this been an issue all year? That coaches have said the refereeing, officiating.

[A]

Has been a thing in the league, but in the playoff like this, I've never seen anybody quite lose it like that. This was Earl Weaver like, all right, all right.

[B]

Let's go to the big finish if we can.

[A]

Let's do it.

[B]

The San Francisco Giants fired Bob Melvin after just two seasons. Rocco Baldelli out in Minnesota after seven. Do these moves make sense?

[A]

Seven seasons is a long time, but the Giants expect it to be better this year. Tough division with the Padres, Arizona and the Dodgers, but they have Niners. Quarterback Brock Purdy says his toe hurts again. That's a big deal, right?

[B]

Joe Burrow's out with a bad toe until December. Yeah, it's a big deal. The warriors are signing Al Horford. Jonathan Kaminga did not attend media day. Which is the bigger deal.

[A]

Al Hor's a big deal. Just trade Jonathan King. Just. I know where he should wind up.

[B]

The Bulls. The Bulls.

[A]

I'm going to play the drinking game with you.

[B]

Bulls.

[A]

Two Monday night games. Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Broncos. You care about either one of those?

[B]

I think the Broncos are a pretty good team. Dolphins have been disappointing, you know. Last one, Big Bunny, Bad Bunny will headline the super bowl halftime show. Is that okay with you?

[A]

Yes. I'm not a big fan of that.

[B]

I. I sort of benched him. Didn't you?

[A]

I kept coaching the celebrity All Star game. But you Won A. Got mad.

[B]

We won the game.

[A]

I had Comet and I had Horace Grant.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He was on the bench later.

[A]

STEPHEN A. We were whining about that.

[B]

We are out of time. Try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Cornhunt.

[A]

STEPHEN A. Pipe down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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