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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. Tony, the world's oldest living land animal, a tortoise named Jonathan, just turned 194.
Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornheiser. I have no joke here. Jonathan was born during the Andrew Jackson administration.
Mike Wilbon
These animals live unbelievable all the time. When I was 12 years old, I rode on the top of sat on the top of a 154-year-old tortoise. In I think it was Sioux Fall, South Dakota. They get 150 plus.
Tony Kornheiser
I wasn't born until the Taft administration. Welcome to PTI, boys and girls. In today's episode, Scottie Scheffler goes for the Grand Slam. The Golden Knights bring on another head coach and Brando Chamblee joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with Lionel Messi, one week shy of his 39th birthday, scoring three goals yesterday as Argentina beat Algeria three to nothing. These three goals tie Messi with Miroslav Klose of Germany for the most World cup goals ever. 16. Yesterday was a high scoring day as well for Kylian Mbappe of France, who had two goals, and Erling Haaland of Norway, who also had two goals. Wilbon, what does this say to you about Messi and this World Cup?
Mike Wilbon
Tony, about Messi, it's like we started yesterday's show. I mean, for those who think he's the goat, the greatest of all time, it just confirms it. It's more confirmation, Holmes, because he goes out there at this age and he scores a goal. What got me, Tony, was that it seems so effortless. I mean, I found myself jumping out of the chair more on Mbappe's goals. But Messi, he just seems to be in that place. It's like Gretzky was like, why is he there for this rebound? Why is he in that spot? And why is no one covering him dead center in the middle of the field, moving straight toward the goalkeeper? Why is that? How come nobody can find Messi? And I think that, you know, there's magic to great, great, great, great, great players, whether you think they're the goat or the runner up or not quite polite, whatever that is. And so when you have those guys score and Harry Kane scoring today, when you have the great score like this to start the World Cup. The World cup is magical. And I think it brings in people who are amateur fans and not been at it all that long, like me.
Tony Kornheiser
I'm going to go to the larger issue here, which is what does this mean for this World Cup? And I am guessing here, but I know that there are 48 teams in this World cup, which is 16 more than have ever been there before.
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Tony Kornheiser
It went from 32 to 48. And I'm guessing this additional 16, they're not on the top of the rankings. They're more like in the NCAA basketball tournament, the teams from the automatic one bid league. So I am wondering if, especially in the group stage, if there's going to be a lot more scoring because the competition is not as arduous in some cases. Other than that, in terms of Messi, I am thrilled by this because I know that you've never liked Messi. You've always liked Ronaldo. You know, you like Mbappe more, you like Lamine Yamal more. You gave Messi his props at some point when he won the World cup, but you, but you held back. You held back on that. And I think that three is larger than two. And he had a hat trick. He had a hat trick in soccer and. Yes. And he is making his case to be the goat as we watch. Yes. I'm not saying he is making his case.
Mike Wilbon
Now, keep in mind, Tony, when you talk about goals in 48 and who's seated where. I mean, Spain. Spain, who people think is either the best team in the world in terms of talent or second best.
Tony Kornheiser
I know.
Mike Wilbon
Couldn't win the. I know. I mean. And so you also have a first round match with Croatia, England, which in Russia. I know, I was there to see it in Moscow eight years ago, was one of the great matches of that entire World Cup. So it's not, it's not as simple as sort of 1 ish versus 16 ish. It's been great so far. It has been. Let's move to the US Open, which tees off tomorrow at Shinnecock Hills. The betting favorite is world number one, of course, Scotty Scheffler, who with a win will become just the seventh player all time to win each of golf's four majors. Tone, what would completing the Grand Slam mean for scheffler?
Tony Kornheiser
There's only six people who have ever done this, most recently Rory McIlroy. Did it in 2025 at the Masters and he sank to his knees when he won as if the weight had buckled him. Other than Rory, we have Jack Nicklaus, Tiger Woods, Gary Player, Gene Sarazin and Ben Hogan. That is a very elite table that you are sitting at. If he gets there, Scottie Scheffler gets there. He'll get there on the day of his 30th birthday. And only Tiger and Jack and Gary Player got there sooner than that. It would put him in a class where he could become an all time great player. There's no goat debate in golf. It's Jack and Tiger. That's all there are. And that's because of what they do with majors. So when you start piling up majors, it begins to matter. Rory has six, Brooks Koepka has five, Scotty has four. This would give him five. And the career grand slam. It, it's a long way to go to Tiger and Jack, but at least you get on the road and then the question is, how far can you walk down that road?
Mike Wilbon
Tony, I, I'm not going to disagree with a word of that. I agree with every word of that. Here's now my issue as we spin this forward a little bit. I don't see him winning. I don't see Scotty Scheffler winning. He hasn't had that great a year. He had a great years in 20, 23, 24, 25, not in 26. He's won once, Gotterup has won twice, Cam Young has won twice, and a young fellow named Matthew Fitzpatrick has won three times this season. So there are people, they're all ahead of Scottie right now. We know he can turn that. We know he can turn that with one win in the United States Open. No question about it. I can't wait to see this, Tony. But, you know, you know, I always thought that while Scottie Scheffler is, no question, number one, and he's the best out there today, I never thought people should put him in the same conversation as Tiger and Jack. And even though you said that, one of the things I loved, one of the things I loved about Scheffler was that he, after winning a huge tournament, said, stop it. Don't ever put me in that conversation. I love that about Sheffield. So I, you know, I will take him this week.
Tony Kornheiser
That takes years. But he's also methodical. Well, he finished second in the Masters, so he's been a major where he was two. I mean, yeah, I don't think you can ever count him out. Let's move to hockey and the Golden Knights, employing their third head coach in as many months. In late March, Vegas fired Bruce Cassidy, who had won a Stanley cup just three years ago. Subsequently, the team has kept Cassidy from interviewing wherever he wants. The Golden Knights replaced Cassidy with John Tortorello, who then took them to the Stanley cup final series before losing to Carolina. Vegas has now decided to say goodbye to Tortorella and has promoted 44 year old Ryan Craig from their AHL affiliate into the position. Wilbon, what do you make of Vegas moves?
Mike Wilbon
I have no idea. I have no idea. But I have no idea. Every year when we discuss these moves, when NHL coaches are fired, either close right at the playoffs, right there. Maybe not as radical as the World cup team, which fired its coach at Tunisia after one game. That was unbelievable because you got to keep playing. It's not like that single elimination. They got two more games in group and they got to play with the new coach. It's like, whoa, okay. It's not that radical. Baton. I have no idea. I see the firings in the NHL and every year you and I have some story where we go, what? It's a what situation for me. I'm not going to venture out into that.
Tony Kornheiser
I can't disagree and I won't disagree with firing Bruce Cassidy. I mean, it may seem out of the ordinary because he'd won a Stanley cup, but his team had lost six out of seven to that point. And it worked. This is the proof of it. Tortorello comes in, he takes a team that is essentially capsizing, and he takes them all the way to the Stanley Cup Final. And on the way, they beat the best team in hockey. Don't just beat Colorado, they sweep Colorado. But to me, I don't get getting rid of Tortorella. There's only three possibilities here, Mike. One is that the guys in the corner office, the GM and the owner thought they should have beaten Carolina and they didn't want Tortorello or they didn't like him personally, or Tortorello said to them when he signed, I'm not going forward here. I'm only going to do the rest of this year. Maybe that came from Tortorella, but I find it sort of a head scratcher. I gotta ask you a question. Are you wearing a jean jacket? Does Zegna make jean jackets?
Mike Wilbon
Where did you get that Zegna?
Tony Kornheiser
Is that Zanya?
Mike Wilbon
They'll make anything you want. Wow.
Tony Kornheiser
A jean jacket. Yeah. Wow.
Mike Wilbon
Denim.
Tony Kornheiser
Let's take a break. Coming up, will Shinnecock be easier than it has been for this U.S. open. We're gonna ask Brandell Chamble.
Mike Wilbon
And what types of players will the course favor? Course and conditions over the next four days. You know Jean Jack Guy, you're in 1970.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, but I had you on jean jackets. Yeah, but Canali didn't make it. That thing must cost a half a million dollars.
Mike Wilbon
How do you know how to make yours? You bought a lot of Canali from Chauncey back in the day.
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We've got us open questions for Golf Channel studio analyst Brandall Chamblee. Brandle, let us start with this. The USGA says it's letting Shinnecock be Shinnecock this time around. Well, they've played there before. Tell us what that means and why the change in approach.
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I think that means that they're not going to impose their sort of, I guess you could call it draconian philosophy on the design of this golf course. The USGA is known for narrow fairways and super fast greens. And while that's a pretty good philosophy generally speaking, but probably not for this terrain and for this golf course, it blows a lot here. It's going to blow upwards of 30, 40 miles an hour, perhaps tomorrow. Very undulating fairways, very undulating greens, as We've seen in the past when they've narrowed the fairways here and they've got the greens up to high speeds. It's proved to be fairly controversial around here. So fairways are going to be 48 yards wide. The greens are not going to be as fast. Somewhere in the 10ish step meter readings, which means that they're likely not to get the chaos if the wind blows tomorrow. It's a good thing.
Mike Wilbon
Randall, given all you just said to set this up, what types of players do you expect to do fairly well or really well this weekend? And maybe some prominent guys whose situations, games don't fit what we're going to see this weekend?
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Well, in the four previous US Opens that they've held here since 1986, the lowest ranked player that has won here is 16th. It's taken a lot of experience, a lot of grit and a phenomenal short game. So when you start to look at the type of player that could win around here with all that experience, you're going to have to have some power out here. Wouldn't surprise me if the eventual winner averaged somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 yards off of the tee. But it's going to be somebody who's got it all, the elite player. Nobody can fluke it around here. You're just not going to see that. So you're looking at people with elite short games. Again, the average number of greens that were hit by the four previous winners here en route to winning was right around 42. You're talking about 30 different times players have missed greens around here who eventually won. So extraordinary scrambling. And we've seen that in every single instance. Corey Paven won here, hitting less than half the greens for the week. Less than half the greens. When you think of US Opens, you think of fairways and greens around here. Okay, it's good if you can find the greens, but more often than not, in some cases you don't. So it's scrambling and keeping your wits about you. That's experienced players. Of course, that's Scotty, of course that's Rory. But I'll throw some more in there that maybe you haven't thought of. Xander Shafley has played in nine US Opens. His worst finish in a US Open in nine is 14th. He's made the cut in the last 17 major championships. This year he's finished in the top 10 in both majors. So I would put Xander Schaflee somewhere up there as well. Matthew Fitzpatrick, phenomenal scrambler, put him up there as well. Some that I perhaps wouldn't put up there, that maybe everybody's pulling for or thinking about is Bryson DeChambeau because his scrambling has been so poor this year.
Mike Wilbon
Well, these conversations of course have to start with Scottie Scheffler, world number one. But Randall, he has seemed relatively human this season. Why? What's going on with Scotty?
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What I'd say is he's still the player to beat. He's just no longer the player that you can't beat. His game has fallen off, I would say noticeably. Everybody can see him now. They couldn't even touch him last year or the year before. The problem is that his swing is just a little bit steeper, actually quite a bit steeper. And so when he transitions, he's on top of it and the club comes down outside the line. So he's, if you've been watching him this year, even though he's, he's still very good in all the data. But he hits much bigger. I'm not going to call them slices, but 20, 30 yard left to right shaped shots. So he's missing far more on the right than he was last year. Last year he was first in right rough tendency. That means that nobody visited the right rough more infrequently than he did. And that's been the case the last three years. This year he's got a two way miss. So when you get on holes like 1, 3, 6, 13, 17, these are holes that are going to have strong left to right wins, 30 mile an hour. And if you're limited in your shot shape, decidedly left to right, chances are he's going to end up in the right rough and he's going to be struggling. So he wouldn't be the as obvious favorite as he would have been last year. Coming in here, that's one of the
Tony Kornheiser
greatest answers I have ever heard on this show. That is fabulous. We'll get you out of here on this. I know you mentioned DeChambeau before. To bring people up to date, we're still on a split tour circumstance so we only see the great golfers, all the great golfers in the majors. DeChambeau has won a US Open. Jon Rahm has won a US Open. Do you, you don't like DeChambeau's chances here, but what about Rahm and then ultimately who are you picking to win? Brandle?
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Yeah, look, I like Rahm. There's no way you're not going to look at Rahm other than Scottie Scheffler. You could say that Rahm's either the second or third best player in the world, but he is not the player that he was before he went to live. He's played 13 major championships since he went to live. His average finish in those majors has been 22nd. The 13 majors that he played before he went to live, his average finish was 15th. You'll say that's not that big a difference. That's about a 50% fall off in finishes. So he's not the player that he was before he went to live. Having said that, he's still an amazing player. But to do that, he's got to get through Rory, he's got to get through Scotty, he's got to get through Matthew Fitzpatrick. And while I would be tempted to pick Scotty Scheffler, I just don't know that he's going to hit it as well as he needs to off of the tee to be as good as he can be into and around the green. So I'm going to probably pick Matthew Fitzpatrick. We usually do that at the end of our show. Matthew, Matthew Fitzpatrick just is under the radar. But when you start to look at all the data and his flare for unbelievably great shots, inconsequential moments that, like at the last hole when he won at the country club out of the bunker, like at the last hole at Zurich this year, like at the last hole, excuse me, the playoff, second playoff hole against Scotty Scheffler at the RBC Heritage. He just has a flair for the moment. And his caddy, Billy Foster, who is caddy for, amongst others, Sevy Ballesteros, Tiger Woods, Lee Westwood and scores of other legends, says that there is no player better under pressure than Matthew Fitzpatrick. So I'm looking that direction.
Tony Kornheiser
Brandle, that is great to hear. Except for me because that's Wil Bond's Northwestern boy.
Mike Wilbon
Earned my life. Love, Matty Fitz.
Tony Kornheiser
Love him. Thank you. Thank you for being on.
Mike Wilbon
Thanks, Brandle.
Tony Kornheiser
Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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Tony Kornheiser
Live from the U.S. open starts at 7pm Eastern tonight on Golf Channel and will continue to air in primetime this week from Shinnecock Hills. USA Network will begin 11 straight hours of opening round coverage tomorrow morning at 6:00am Eastern, my time. Let's take one last break. Still to come, Wilbon gets haunted by a Cardinals prospect who hits four homers in a single game.
Mike Wilbon
And the fastest hurdler alive has an unusual pre race diet. Nothing you say about the car can bring me down. Matty fit baby, huh?
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 46th birthday Venus Williams. She and her younger sister Serena will play doubles together at Wimbledon. The last time they played doubles together was in 2022 at the US Open where they lost in the first round in straight sets. They had great success in doubles earlier in their careers. Venus And Serena owned 14 majors as a doubles team, including six Wimbledons. Venus has won seven majors playing singles. She occasionally still competes. For example, last summer she played in Washington D.C. but Venus and Serena will enter Wimbledon at the combined age of 90 and are likely to play a team with a combined age of about 45 or 50. We wish them all the luck in the world, but we are not betting on them. We are not in women's tennis.
Mike Wilbon
They're likely to face a doubles team with a combined age of 35. You know how young they are in women. Come on in women's tennis now. And by the way, I'm not about to slightly Venus, but let's face it, you and I, we're curious about Serena and whether she's going to play singles, aren't we?
Tony Kornheiser
That's right. We are indeed. Happy anniversary, Ron Guidry. On this day 48 years ago, the Yankee lefty known as Louisiana Lightning set the still current franchise record by striking out 18 angels. That game headlined the most dominating season ever for a Yankee pitcher. Guidry went 253 with a 174 ERA in 35 starts to win the American League Cy Young. Unanimously that season, the Yankees made up a 14 game deficit and caught the Red Sox at the wire. Guidry drew the start at Fenway for the epic one game playoff, the course of which was reversed by Bucky Dent's home run. Guidry then threw a complete game in game three of the World Series against the Dodgers. Guidry played all 14 of his major league seasons with the Yankees. He was 170 and 91 with a 329 ERA.
Mike Wilbon
Tony, weren't you always struck by how slight Guidry was? I mean pictures now starting pitchers, they're each one of them is a moose. They're all seemingly 646-566. They're huge. Guidry was not, not close to that.
Tony Kornheiser
No. Gidri weighed 150 pounds. He was. No, he wasn't big at all. Happy trails. To four balls off the bat of Joshua Baez. The Cardinals number three prospect had himself a night for the AAA Memphis Redbirds last night. Baez homered four times in the game off three different Nashville pitchers. Baez tallied seven RBI in all. And all of this came on the third anniversary of the death of his father. And Baez said after the game, quote, I was just feeling him the whole time, unquote. The 22 year old outfielder now has a career high 23 homers on the season and says that while thoughts of a promotion have crept into his mind right now, he'd rather be with Memphis than anywhere else.
Mike Wilbon
There's some great young players and prospects in our division right now. Game influencing young players Tone and this latest one with the Cardinals is sort of scary for a Cubs guy.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah. There's a big difference in the minors and the majors. And a lot of guys who come up and look great have to be sent back down once or twice to relearn what it is that they have to do to stay in the majors.
Mike Wilbon
It's not Misorowski, though. Not him.
Tony Kornheiser
Not him. No, I'm talking about. I'm talking about hitters. I'm talking about hitters more than pitchers. Let's go to the big finish. Let's do AL roll. The big dumper had a two run go ahead single in his return to the Mariners last night. Is that significant?
Mike Wilbon
It is. Because even though they're at the top of their division, there are only a couple of games over.500. So the M's want to get going. Yeah, it's a big deal. In that broadcast found that 23 year old James Wood, my man has already faced as many different pitchers as, get this, Ted Williams did in his whole career. Tony, this just can't be.
Tony Kornheiser
No, here's why it is. Ted Williams played against seven other teams. Eight teams in the American League saw the same pitchers all the time. Pitchers went longer into the game. No interleague games, no expansion. No, it's different. Maple Leafs hired Jim Hiller as their new head coach. Is that significant?
Mike Wilbon
Great record with the Kings. So, yes, World record. Hurdler Jacoby Tharp says he eats two cheeseburgers, a large, fries chicken nuggets before every race. Is that sustainable?
Tony Kornheiser
No. I barf it up on the first hurdle. Last one. The brewers have won 44 of their first 70 games. First time ever. How does that taste, Mr. Cub? I don't like it. How does that taste?
Mike Wilbon
I don't like. I like nuggets better.
Tony Kornheiser
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Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, Knuckle.
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Episode: Will Scottie Scheffler Make It To a Career Slam?
Air Date: June 17, 2026
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser & Michael Wilbon
Key Guest: Brandel Chamblee (Golf Channel Studio Analyst)
In this episode, Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon cover a wide spectrum of current sports headlines, focusing primarily on Lionel Messi's historic performance at the World Cup, Scottie Scheffler’s quest for a career Grand Slam at the upcoming U.S. Open, and peculiar coaching carousel moves by the Vegas Golden Knights. The centerpiece is a deep-dive golf segment with Brandel Chamblee analyzing the U.S. Open setup at Shinnecock Hills and evaluating Scheffler’s recent form and prospects.
“It just confirms it, Holmes, because he goes out there at this age and he scores a goal. What got me, Tony, was that it seems so effortless.”
— Mike Wilbon (01:45)
“I am wondering if, especially in the group stage, if there's going to be a lot more scoring because the competition is not as arduous in some cases.”
— Tony Kornheiser (03:08)
“He hasn't had that great a year. He had a great years in 20, 23, 24, 25, not in 26... I can't wait to see this, Tony. ...I never thought people should put him in the same conversation as Tiger and Jack.”
(05:49)
“After winning a huge tournament, [Scheffler] said, stop it. Don't ever put me in that conversation. I love that about Scheffler.”
— Mike Wilbon (05:49)
“Every year when we discuss these moves...you and I have some story where we go, what? It's a what situation for me.”
— Mike Wilbon (07:37)
Starts at 11:22
“They're not going to impose their sort of, I guess you could call it draconian philosophy on the design of this golf course.”
— Brandel Chamblee (11:40)
“He's still the player to beat. He's just no longer the player that you can't beat.”
— Brandel Chamblee (14:35)
“When you start to look at all the data and his flare for unbelievably great shots, inconsequential moments... there is no player better under pressure than Matthew Fitzpatrick.”
— Chamblee (16:17)
“Baez said after the game, quote, I was just feeling him the whole time.”
— Tony Kornheiser (23:59)
On Messi:
“He just seems to be in that place. It's like Gretzky was like, why is he there for this rebound?...And I think that, you know, there's magic to great, great, great, great, great players.”
— Mike Wilbon (01:45)
On the career slam stakes:
“There's no goat debate in golf. It's Jack and Tiger. That's all there are. And that's because of what they do with majors.”
— Tony Kornheiser (04:51)
Brandel Chamblee’s clinical golf breakdown:
“You're looking at people with elite short games...scrambling and keeping your wits about you. That's experienced players. Of course, that's Scottie, of course that's Rory. But...Xander Schauffele...Matthew Fitzpatrick...But maybe not Bryson DeChambeau.”
— Chamblee (13:44)
Scheffler’s struggles:
“His swing is just a little bit steeper...he's missing far more on the right than he was last year...he's got a two way miss.”
— Chamblee (14:35)
This episode blends sharp sports analysis with friendly ribbing and signature banter, with each host bringing perspective rooted in history and current trends. Brandel Chamblee’s segment stands out for its depth and insight—especially his breakdown of the unique demands at Shinnecock Hills and candid assessment of the top contenders. The show captures the drama of sports milestones—Messi’s ageless brilliance, golf’s rare achievements, and the unpredictability of team management—all delivered with PTI’s trademark wit.
For listeners seeking the critical moments and perspectives—this summary delivers the main debates, technical insights, and standout personalities at the heart of this episode.