2 Frenchmen at CPAC (Part Two) (E314)

Summary

QAA Podcast – Episode 314: 2 Frenchmen at CPAC (Part Two) (E314)

Date: March 12, 2025
Hosts: Julian Feeld, Jake Rockatansky, Liv Agar
Guest: Anthony Monsuy
Main Theme:
An on-the-ground, darkly satirical report from the 2025 CPAC convention, focusing on the far-right’s public pageantry, reactionary activism, "cursed" media spectacles, and the disturbing mainstreaming of fascist and conspiratorial rhetoric—with special attention to the French perspective and surreal comic relief.

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Episode Overview

The hosts (with guest Anthony Monsuy) recount in vivid, often grim, often absurd, detail their experiences embedded at CPAC 2025 in Washington, D.C., profiling far-right figures, their antics, and underlying politics, while also reflecting on the emotional toll and the broader, dystopian shifts in U.S. political culture. The episode combines reportage, dry humor, and moments of despair, highlighting the normalization of extremist rhetoric and exploring both the performative and dangerous sides of the political right’s new era.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Proud Boys/Capitol “J6” Press Stunt & Meme Coin Grift

• Setting & Key Characters:

  • Ivan Raiklin leads a chaotic press conference outside the Capitol, representing Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and other J6 figures now rallying as “victims.”
  • Counter-protesters disrupt with shouts, whistles, and bullhorns.
  • “A coalition of Proud Boys, their leader Enrique Tarrio, Oath Keepers’ Stewart Rhodes, other J6ers—all returned to the scene of the crime to make speeches.” (Julian, 02:51)

• Main Announcements:

  • Raiklin declares a lawsuit against the DOJ for the J6 convicts, funded by ProudCoin, a meme crypto token.
  • “Within a few hours, it was down 97.6%... a pump and dump if there was very little pump.” (Julian, 03:56)
  • Discussion on the transparency and likely futility: “I’m sure the J6 people… weren’t able to cash out within the first, like, 30 minutes. So their shit is worth nothing.” (Julian, 04:14)

• The Atmosphere:

  • Heavy police presence, agitated journalists, and assertive protesters.
  • “Insurrection is massive.” – Julian describing the noise and confusion (02:45)
  • “This is absolute chaos.” (Jake, 02:48)

• Background on Raiklin:

  • Invented the “Pence card” myth, wrote “deep state” raid lists, and lobbied for far-right stunts ultimately achieving nothing.
  • “Based on Raiklin’s previous track record, I doubt anything was ever going to happen. But it did manage to attract brain dead GOP congresspeople.” (Julian, 08:07)

Memorable Quotes:

• “Whoever had more supply [of ProudCoin] at the top here and just dumped into people… that’s the person who made money.” (Julian, 04:14)
• “Who is here from credentialed media? ... Those that didn’t raise their hand are part of the problem.” (Julian as Raiklin, 00:51–01:01)

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2. Counter-Protesters, Law Enforcement, & The Press

• Counter-protest Tactics:

  • Noted for creativity and persistence—one woman with a whistle, another singing disco parodies about the Proud Boys (“Proud Boys, you’re the Pedophile files”).
  • “The real hero was the lady with the whistle… another level.” (Liv, 11:56)

• Police Response & First Amendment:

  • Protesters escorted out but reaffirmed rights: “Their First Amendment rights to be on the lawn… and not be disturbed.” (Liv, 10:24)
  • Journalists complain they “can’t hear” through protest noise (10:38–10:51).

• Daily Realities:

  • “This is your idea. You chose to persecute people—and now you’re going to get a taste for the next four long years.” (Philip Anderson, J6er, 17:22)
  • “They've severed themselves from the actual crime… like they just remember arriving at the Capitol.” (Jake, 17:33)

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3. Extreme Rhetoric, Grift, & Dystopian Shifts at CPAC

• Shift in Narrative:

  • J6ers recast as “hostages” and “heroes” (16:17–16:26).
  • “Maybe American lives do have second acts: unimaginative, shitty reboots.” (Julian, 14:01)

• Media, Crypto, & Viral Aspirations:

  • Pride in “virality” and performative activism (“We trend harder than CPAC!”) quickly undermined by dependency on failed crypto stunts.
  • “He had to shill crypto as the fuel for the DOJ lawsuit.” (Julian, 13:11 & 13:36)

• Interface with French Press:

  • Anthony’s interactions with young French journalists exploring the American right. “Everything is insane… is the beat always this insane?” (Julian recounting, 23:02)

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4. Inside CPAC: Surreal Security, Right-Wing Rhetoric & Nazi Salutes

• Security Follies:

  • Julian’s press pass is revoked; he bluffs his way in with a nearly invalid “International Summit” badge thanks to lax volunteer oversight (26:20–27:28).
  • “Thank you so much, Mr. Schlapp, for being such horrible little penny pinchers…” (Julian, 27:29)

• CPAC Stage Highlights:

  • Vice President J.D. Vance’s “absolute suck job of an interview” on immigration fearmongering (28:34).
  • Literal cheering for abolishing federal departments and expanding deportation infrastructure.
  • “People cheered for the elimination of the Department of Education… thousands of criminals... deported… ICE would double…” (Julian, 31:24–31:45)

• Performative Fascism:

  • Multiple speakers (notably Steve Bannon and Eduardo Verastegui) perform apparent Nazi salutes on stage:
    • “He did a Nazi salute. This one sent [Jake] over the edge.” (Julian, 40:03)
    • The symbol is both “plausibly deniable” trolling and open signaling.

Memorable Quotes:

• “We had to lose so that the enemy could reveal itself as demonic. It’s pure Q.” (Julian, 39:50)
• “If they actually cared, if they actually had any self-awareness, you wouldn’t see a Nazi salute on a public stage…” (Jake, 63:03)

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5. The Politics of Cruelty, Genocide Apologia & Zionism

• Chilling Rhetoric:

  • From the main stage: “We must arrest, incarcerate, and sometimes murder our enemies.”
  • Israeli minister: “We’re teaching the West how to win a war—which is, I guess, genocide.” (Julian, 34:24)
  • Mark Levin’s genocidal escalation: “These bastards must be eradicated. It’s that simple… they are subhumans… We're going to have to extinguish them.” (68:16–68:43)

• Coalition of Contradictions:

  • Open tensions between Zionist and explicit fascist/antisemitic wings of the coalition.
  • “I refuse to believe they’ll be able to sit happily in a room for four years… as time runs out and they haven’t really done anything… the rats will be expelled.” (Jake, 55:01)

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6. Comic Relief & Despair: Meeting Vincent Fuska (JFK Jr. Guy)

• Comic Interlude:
  • Julian attempts to buy the “Trump’s Guardian Angel” T-shirt from QAnon favorite Vincent Fuska, resulting in a 30-minute ordeal of navigating his phone for PayPal.
  • “His name on PayPal is New York News York…” (Julian, 45:51)
  • “He’s always cheeky about whether he’s JFK Jr. or Trump’s guardian angel—he wants people to believe both.” (Julian & Jake, 46:05–46:24)
  • “We just need a podcast about Fuska. It would be a mind sanctuary.” (Jake, 49:04)

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7. Overarching Mood: Fatigue, Absurdity, and Existential Dread

• Emotional Toll:

  • The hosts repeatedly express their exhaustion, alienation, and near-despair at the spectacle (“This episode… has like short-term wrecked my life.” – Julian, 75:05)
  • “What even was the point of being here? The only way this event should be covered was with President Xi’s tactical nukes.” (Julian, 66:51)
  • “I hate covering this so bad. I almost resent you, Julian, for doing this.” (Jake, 70:24)

• Satirical Lament:

  • The show ends with gallows humor and a plea for self-care, joking about retreating to cartoons or Fuska coverage as emotional escape.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights with Timestamps

• On the ProudCoin Collapse:

  • “Within a few hours, it was down 97.6%...” (Julian, 03:39)
  • “It’s a pump and dump if there was very little pump.” (Julian, 03:56)

• On Security at CPAC:

  • “She made me turn the badge and I still got away with it. Thank you, Mr. Schlapp...” (Julian, 27:04)

• On Bannon’s Outburst:

  • “Fight, fight, fight!” (Bannon, 40:03)
  • “He did a Nazi soldier [salute]. Jake has lost it. This one sent him over the edge.” (Julian, 40:37)

• On the Dystopian Tone:

  • “This feels like a movie where the fascists have won in the United States.” (Julian, 29:22)
  • “They just deported a green card holder for just having pro-Palestinian views… We are crossing the line…” (Julian, 71:35)

• On Coping and Collapse:

  • “Attending there has…wrecked my life. I’m not gonna sugarcoat it.” (Julian, 75:05)
  • “What are we gonna do? Game over, man. Game over.” (Jake, 75:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction/Scene-Setting: 00:32–02:48
• Crypto Grift Announcement: 02:51–04:05
• Raiklin, Proud Boys, and J6 Lawsuit: 05:04–09:03
• Counter-protesters & Police: 10:24–12:24
• Event Atmosphere, Interviews: 13:00–18:03
• Raiklin’s Legal Fantasies: 05:05–08:20
• CPAC Access & Security Troubles: 26:20–27:29
• Bannon's Nazi Salute: 40:03–42:32, 61:44 (Verastegui's)
• Main Stage Extreme Rhetoric: 67:09–70:17
• Comic Relief (Vincent Fuska): 43:10–49:04
• Wrap-Up & Emotional Exhaustion: 75:05–79:28

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Final Reflections

In a bleak, absurdist tone, the hosts conclude that the American right’s worst impulses—authoritarianism, violence, and conspiracy—are now not just tolerated, but celebrated. CPAC’s pageant of far-right activism, viral stunts, persecution complexes, crypto grifts, and open fascist signaling signals a “second act” of American reaction with fewer restraints. The hosts’ humor can barely keep up with their unease.

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Useful For:
Anyone wishing to understand the contemporary far-right spectacle, the emotional and political state of the “conspiracy culture” media beat, or the blurry lines between parody, grift, and genuine extremism in American politics—especially at moments of existential dread.

Tone:
Darkly comic, satirical, world-weary, and, at times, openly despairing.

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“I genuinely… attending [CPAC] has like short term wrecked my life… I need to do good things for myself and love people and be loved.” – Julian (75:05)

“What are we gonna do? Game over, man. Game over.” – Jake (75:53)

Transcript

[Anthony Monsuy]

Sa.

[Jake Rakatansky]

If you're hearing this, well done. You have found a way to connect to the Internet. Welcome to the qaa podcast. Episode 314, two Frenchmen at CPAC, part two of two. As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rakatansky, Julian Field, and Liv Agar.

[Julian Field]

Who is here from Credentialed Media, raise your hand.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Usa.

[Julian Field]

Usa. That has. Calm down, guys. Those of y' all that have a badge on you are Credentialed Media. Notice how a majority of them did not raise their hand. They're part of the problem. Okay, we're not going to go there yet. So here's the deal. A lot of people don't understand how these folks were weaponized against. I'm going to break it down for you. And these are the individuals and institutions that are going to be facing the accountability, the justice, the comeuppance. And because my last name starts with an R, Raiklin, I prefer the term retribution. Okay, so here's how it's gonna work. Article one.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Branch of government. Oh, my God. Did she say loser with a small dick?

[Julian Field]

The man being called a loser with a small dick is Ivan Raiklin, who looks like an albino orc.

[Anthony Monsuy]

He looks like Yakub's first white creation.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes, he looks like he's asking Harry for he had gringotts.

[Julian Field]

He's speaking at the center of a group of about 70 people, 20 or so of which are journalists. We're in an open patch of grass just northeast of the Capitol building. Clusters of cops stand nearby, watching. A few protesters are also in attendance, including two young women, both of whom came alone. They're doing their best to disrupt the gathering. Their styles are quite different. One of them is yelling phrases like, fuck the proud Boys. Stop platforming Nazis. And Ivan is a loser with a small dick while blowing a whistle repeatedly. The other is using a bullhorn in a way that makes Rob Zombie sound like Dave Matthews. Insurrection is massive.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, my God. This is absolute chaos.

[Julian Field]

The people being addressed in that last clip are those who organized this little gathering in the first place, a coalition of Proud Boys, including their leader, Enrique Tarrio, Oath Keepers, including their leader, Stuart Rhodes, and other January 6th Capitol rioters. They've returned to the scene of the crime to make a few speeches and announce two things. One, they are being represented by Ivan Raiklin in a lawsuit against the Department of Justice. And two, to fund this, they are launching a meme crypto token called ProudCoin, 12% of the supply of which is being donated to a J6 victim. Fund that ostensibly will pass the tokens on to families of capital rioters. Now, I looked this up, and within a few hours, it was down 97.6%. You can see the graph here. Each one of these. These little things is 15 minutes of time.

[Jake Rakatansky]

So coincidentally, that percentage is the same. Same number as the temperature of my brain as it slowly cools till I am no longer alive.

[Julian Field]

I think that it might be like a processor where it works better at a lower temperature, Jake. So as long as you don't freeze, I think you'll be smarter.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, I'm, like, seriously undervolted right now.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, you can't. You can't see the graph listener, but let's just say it's a pump and dump. If there was very little pump. If it was mostly dump, mostly dump.

[Anthony Monsuy]

So they were trying to rug pull to raise fund. Was. Did they successfully raise funds at all through this rug pill for the scheme, or was it just a money vacuum?

[Julian Field]

I don't fucking know. But I'm sure that the J6 people did not, you know, weren't logged in and able to cash out within the first, like, 30 minutes. So their shit is worth nothing, probably. But whoever. Whoever had more supply than them at the top here and just dumped into people as people started buying. That's. That's. That's the person who made money or those people. It's a cold, crisp, windy day in Washington, D.C. the gloomy weather having somehow dissipated and given way to a glorious sun. The atmosphere, as you can surmise in the clips I've played so far, is chaotic. The journalists are in various positions designed to capture a clean picture. They look like a strange tableau, all focused together on a single point. A motley crew of microphones are being held by a metal stand in front of Ivan Raichlin. The whole setup looks like a menorah built by Mad Max out of scrap. I know you'd like that one, Jake.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I love it.

[Julian Field]

Raaklin dropped out of his role at the DIA in 2018 to launch a failed bid to represent Virginia in Congress. He made a name for himself as a far right activist and lawyer back in December 2020 when he invented the Pence card, a rumor that a law existed allowing Mike Pence to reject election results on the third Wednesday of that month, which would somehow keep Trump in office. This didn't happen, and it wasn't true to begin with, no such law exists. But that basically kicked off the whole, like, we need Pence to, you know, change the results. And people going into The Capitol. He reappeared in January of 2024 when he wrote and circulated a deep state target list of 350 people he thought should be raided by constitutional sheriffs from rural conservative counties, which would deputize 75,000 military veterans who were supposedly fired by the military for refusing to get the COVID 19 vaccine. This is an insane idea for a variety of reasons. The first is that there were only a bit over 8,000 people who left the military due to vaccine mandates, so it's gonna be hard to deputize 75,000 of them. The second is that constitutional sheriffs don't legally exist and are just a concept made up by a pilled political group and private company founded in 2011 by an Arizona sheriff who was part of the Oath Keepers militia at the time.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Can't believe this guy passed the bar.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. No. Yeah. I think in America they just give that shit, like, out in the gotcha machines.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Probably just like. It's kind of like one of those. You put a penny in and it flattens it out and then you're.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Your bar card is sort of.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Printed on the back.

[Julian Field]

Mm. We've covered the constitutional sheriffs in the past, by the way. We have like a whole episode about this whole rabbit hole. But yeah. Anyways, members of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers association, or cspoa, believe that they are sovereign sheriffs who can disregard laws they find unconstitutional. This is legitimately fucked up because there are many actual sheriffs in the. So the beliefs do end up having real life effects. But the idea that this organization is going to deputize 75,000 people and conduct raids on whoever Ivan Rakeland decided to put on a list is pretty unlikely. It's basically like Q promising the storm. But it appealed to more sophisticated libertarian rubes because Ivan Raichlin is a former National Guardsman in Green Beret and he didn't pass around the deep state target list by posting it on 8chan. Anyways, nobody was deputized. The raids never happened. Another fucking bust. By October 2024, Raaklin was spreading bullshit, attempting to preemptively discredit the election results in the event that Trump lost, which he didn't. So at the time, he claimed falsely that Arizona, Georgia, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina and Wisconsin should declare their states electors for Trump. Before. Yeah, the results were even in. That didn't happen and Trump won anyway, so it didn't matter. He appeared at the Rod of Iron Ministries Freedom Festival. This is the gun Nut offshoot of the South Korean Moonies cult to explain that he had qu a plan and strategy for every single component of the election. He also said that, quote, January 6th is going to be pretty fun. So my man was counting on a second January 6, after Trump lost, which, you know, Trump won. None of this happened for the third time. So based on Raiklin's previous track record, I doubt like, anything was ever going to happen. But it did manage to attract the attention of a couple of brain dead GOP congresspeople who briefly promoted the idea.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Of this guy has no juice. Like, if there was a fascist queue, he would be cheering it on from the sidelines.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, absolutely. So throughout all these grifts, Rake Lynn called himself Trump's Secretary of Retribution. No such position exists. No matter. Rake Lynn seems to have found a new way to get attention, representing the Proud Boys, supposedly, and the oath keepers and J6ers in their suit against the DOJ. We will see if that ever happens. For now, it's just a promise. And the funding for the lawsuit is attached to a meme coin. And Ivan Raichlin's supposed to be the lawyer, so I. I don't know, this might all just be pr, but I'd.

[Liv Agar]

Love to see the files in his computers with the plan he has for every single part of the election. I'm sure they're there somewhere on his laptop or his computer.

[Julian Field]

Oh, I'd love to see what's on his computer, but for another reason. Earlier that day, Rakelin had been at CPAC talking a big game to any journalist who would listen. That's what he was doing here too, except he wanted to sound extra badass around the proud boys. The J6 cover up committee. I call it the J6 fed direction cover up committee. Already spent 10, two years, over 10 hearings, prime time leveraging, you little bitches, all of you, to manipulate the entire country, the jury pool and the judges. I'm talking about the credentialed press here.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Boring. These guys sound horrible.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just. I mean, you can hear the environment was insane. It was like screaming nonstop. So, Anthony, you know, what did you think of, like, the actual moment where they were doing the press conference there on the grass?

[Liv Agar]

I didn't even listen for a second, actually, because the second it started, the woman with the megaphone started appearing on the scene and I didn't even want to listen. So I just kind of like went around the whole crowd to try to find interesting characters to follow and speak with and stuff. But I checked out really quickly. And just started speaking with one of the cops, telling me that he has no opinions while he's at work when stuff like this happens.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Sure.

[Liv Agar]

I saw also they escorted out to the first two counter protesters because. And I. And I heard the cop saying that was their First Amendment rights to be. To be on the lawn of the Capitol and not to be disturbed.

[Julian Field]

And not be disturbed.

[Liv Agar]

Yeah. And one reporter at some point, like, actually went to one of the cops saying that. He actually said, like, I can't hear anything. You need to do something. And because of the protesters doing a lot of noise. So.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah. What amendment in the Constitution is the right to hear the albino orc?

[Liv Agar]

Yeah, that was very, very depressing because at the same time, it was extremely noisy. So not nice to be around it. So. Yeah, no, it sucked. It sucked really bad.

[Julian Field]

Really bad time.

[Jake Rakatansky]

The sound that all of the Proud Boys make when Ivan says, you bitches, and they all go like. It's just like, oh, my God, like, these guys go home and people have to deal with them. They've got, like, friends and stuff.

[Anthony Monsuy]

No, I think more of their mothers have to deal with them with the Proud Boys. I feel like the Proud Boys are in a especially petulant, like, group.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Ugh, what a bore.

[Julian Field]

There was, like, I was, like, kind of briefly behind one of the Proud Boys, and he had, like, little notifications pop up on his phone. And it was clearly, like, his girlfriend. And it was just like, be careful. Be careful. I love you.

[Anthony Monsuy]

My boyfriend is so brave. He's going to see back.

[Julian Field]

He's so fucking stupid. He's going back to the Capitol. He's going back to where he was arrested, this fucking dumbass. Please be careful out there, sweetheart.

[Liv Agar]

We didn't mention the guy who looked a bit like Jimmy Recourse, you know, with a yellow suit, a furry Shapka with ear flaps, and he was playing pop and disco songs and changing the lyrics to them, like, saying the Proud Boys are pedophiles to Michael Jackson's Don't Stop Surrogate Enough. Like Proud Boys, you're the Pedophile files. Proud Boys in the Pedophiles. But the lady. But the real hero was the lady with the whistle. She was. She was another level.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. She continued on. I had briefly accosted Enrique Tarrio, who's been the quote, unquote, chairman of the proud boys since November 2018, in the lobby of the Gaylord Resort and Convention Center. He was busy drumming up interest for the Capitol gathering among reporters. I pretended to be a fan and Brought up the timing. Their little stunt was set for midday Thursday, which was prime CPAC hours. You're going to compete with cpac? I think that we trend harder than CPAC tomorrow. That's my bet. Trend Harder than CP.

[Anthony Monsuy]

CPAC guy who's thinking in like 2014 Twitter terms.

[Julian Field]

I know we're going. I think we're going viral tomorrow.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Our hashtag is low key. Going to go viral.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Was he. I'll bet he looked real smug when he gave you this information, telling you he's going to trend harder.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. And like all the. All the reporters were just like, oh, how can I set up like an interview with you, Mr. Tarrio? Like, it would be so interesting to hear your take on. But anyways, his boasting was somewhat undermined the next day when he had to shill crypto as the fuel for the DOJ lawsuit. So here he is. With the success of our crypto initiatives and the proud coin, we now have the means to fight this battle without relying on anyone else. This is a tool of power, a tool of self sufficiency, and a tool that will help fund the lawsuit that will bring justice for all.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes.

[Julian Field]

This fight is not over. It's only begun. We will hold those responsible to account and we will never stop fighting for the truth, for liberty, and for justice.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Who really?

[Julian Field]

And now to talk further about the powerful tool that helped us take this fight to the next level, I'd like to invite Ethan Nordeen to speak more about the monetary vehicle we've created through the success of the proud coin and our innovative approach to crypto.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Sorry, just in the middle of that, it really dawned on me that she's just like going at it continually.

[Julian Field]

Oh, no, no. Never, ever stopped. Yeah, they were great.

[Liv Agar]

And there were moments like she was whispering in these guys ears, saying they had small dicks. She wasn't always like screaming. There was like quiet moments sometimes.

[Julian Field]

That's good. Yeah, you want to do quiet loud. That's the formula right there. You have a small dick.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I heard one sad hoorah in there.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, yeah. So lame.

[Julian Field]

So the guy, he is invited to the stage. Ethan Nordean and another guy in attendance, Joe Biggs, they actually escaped 18 years in jail when they were pardoned by Trump. So obviously they served some of that. Stuart Rhodes, also in attendance, was serving the same amount of time. Tarrio, who was mysteriously absent the day of J6, was given 25 years for seditious conspiracy. And yeah, there's basically zero chance that they would be here today if it weren't for a world historic fumble by the Democratic Party and the reinstallation of their big, beautiful president. For many people being sentenced to decades in jail would temper their enthusiasm to participate in a street gang that exists to distract the media from the GOP beat and stab leftists and ally itself with people like Ivan Raiklin. But maybe Fitzgerald was wrong. Maybe American lives do have second acts, unimaginative, shitty reboots. It certainly feels like the second Trump term is going to be exactly that. Anyone who faced judicial consequences for first term bullshit is going to do the exact same thing with less passion and a get out of jail free card. So pretty fucking grim. Anthony and I had followed the Proud boys and other J6ers to the Capitol. What we had experienced there was an organization on its best behavior. They wanted this story to be their proud coin, not the fact that a gu punched a girl half his size because she was protesting his press conference. And they held back until they couldn't. Even at the beginning of the press conference, there were J6ers letting slip what they really thought instead of sticking to the talking points that would allow these budding crypto entrepreneurs to have a successful meme coin launch.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Also, like, what. What is the official line? Because, I mean, I remember after J6, it was like Trump was DOA politically, and everyone was like, this was a terrible thing. It seems like at least maybe a third of the country has, like, hallucinated what, that it was good. The J6.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Now he calls them like, J6 hostages. And like, you know, he's completely reversed that.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Now they're heroes, actually, and victims, which.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Like, I don't know, maybe, like, I live in, like, a functioning liberal democracy or quote, unquote functioning, but I can't imagine, like. Like, how does everyone else in America feel about this? I guess people are just too tired to care at this point. Just so many news items that has happened and it's like, whatever zone is flooded.

[Julian Field]

No idea. So here is Philip Anderson, a black J Sixer in his late 20s. In the video, he's walking with Enrique Tarrio, who's grinning uncomfortably because Anderson is saying the quiet part, loud. He believes that all the reporters present are Democrats and he wants them to be put in jail. So, yeah, this is from, like, the beginning of the gathering when the cops asked the Proud Boys to move to the northeast grass from the eastern pavilion, and they complied and so did the press. Everyone moved there, but this was on the way. We got Trump apart and all the J6ers. My boy, right here.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Media lost.

[Julian Field]

The Biden DOJ lost. The Democrats lost.

[Jake Rakatansky]

We all got pardoned. We all got out. And now we're going to throw you Democrats in prison.

[Julian Field]

I hope you're ready. We're throwing all of you in prison.

[Jake Rakatansky]

This is your idea. You chose to persecute people to death. Now you're going to get a taste for the next four long years.

[Julian Field]

We're going to throw you in prison.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Get ready. Get ready.

[Julian Field]

And you can't run, neither.

[Jake Rakatansky]

You can't run. Why are they pretending like they didn't, you know, break the windows and break into a government building? Like, it seems as if they've severed themselves, like, from the actual crime. And like, all they remember is, like, arriving to the Capitol and then when they started listening to Michael Flynn or Trump, the severed part of them took over.

[Anthony Monsuy]

They went into like, the severed innie. Like it was someone else.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, and then.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, that was my innie. Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And then they woke up in like, in like handcuffs in the court being like, what the fuck happened?

[Anthony Monsuy]

You see that with a lot of, like, the like, very reactionary pseudo conservatives that they like, claim to like, tradition and law and order and like the, the status quo in their country, but their reactionary beliefs are way more extreme than that. And so they claim the legitimacy of the law and the Constitution, but in reality, they want something that is much more fascist, much more reactionary. So they end up making these really bizarre claims that are just completely contradictory from their actions compared to what they've done, which leads them to be like, no, actually J6 was a peaceful protest because that's what our older institutions say is good. So that's the thing that we were doing. In reality, they were trying to under undermine that.

[Julian Field]

They say it's a basically, it was basically like a peaceful protest that got like, encouraged to violence by the feds. So they call it like a fedsurrection right now. That's the line.

[Anthony Monsuy]

So it's like Lockean rightful revolt against, you know.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I mean, that doesn't. That is not consistent with the chatter in any of, like, the group texts or even like, what people were posting publicly on Facebook. Like, you know, a lot of people went there to do exactly this. Tarrio's sheepish attitude while Anderson was threatening reporters with jail was pretty consistent with his attitude throughout. He'd come here to represent himself as a nonviolent, law abiding citizen who was unfairly prosecuted under Biden's communist regime. But the truth is that Tarrio loves violence. It's Been a consistent behavior in his life and certainly his history with the Proud Boys. The last time he went to jail, the clash that he was involved in left four stabbing victims. So the propensity for violence among the gathered men made the protesters all the more brave. They were, like, short, mostly female. They didn't hide their faces. They did not relent. And eventually it paid off after the J6ers and some of the core Proud Boys split up. Taryo was answering media questions near the Senate Fountain, and one of the protesters held her phone between him and the reporter. He smacked her wrist and, like, made the phone go flying. And the Capitol Police stepped in and arrested him. Anthony, you were involved in this. Can you tell us how you were involved in the video? You can see Anthony just, like, grabbing Tario's arm just to kind of make sure he doesn't hit again.

[Liv Agar]

Yeah, basically I decided that the lady with the whistle was the hero of the day. So I basically thought. I was basically following her around, not caring about anything else. I'd actually given her a piece of paper with my phone number because I wanted to interview her.

[Julian Field]

Jesus Christ, what a Frenchman. You're still trying to get her to number in the middle of all this?

[Liv Agar]

I did that with the. The, like the team. Team you Jamiroquai, too. So. Yeah, so. So she was following Tario as he was giving an interview with the journalist. And. And basically he. She was trying to follow the journalist, was trying to follow up with Tario. So taking his phone number and the whistle, the whistle woman actually, like, started filming over the phone so she could get Tario's phone number. And. And that's when he lost it. And so he slapped behind him and the phone fell. And maybe I became a witness, maybe not.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, we have no comment on that.

[Liv Agar]

And I think that's why she. I don't know, you guys maybe know about. Know the legalese and stuff, because I don't know why she didn't call me back. Maybe it's because I'm a witness to. And she was trying to press charges, but she cannot be in contact with me.

[Julian Field]

Right, yeah, that's why, man. I mean, let's spend the episode figuring out why shouldn't be a hero.

[Jake Rakatansky]

If you have a wit, if you have a witness, that is. I can attest that this has personally helped me out.

[Julian Field]

Okay, here we go. Lawyer Jake.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Well, I was in a situation. I was in a situation. I was in a really bad car accident, and there was a witness who basically was like, willing to go on record with the police and with our insurance company, that the guy who hit us was, like, traveling at, like, an insane speed, even though I technically was in the wrong by making a left, automatically in the wrong by making a left turn out of a parking lot. So I was in. Actually in contact with that witness. If there is a witness who can support your side of the story and potentially be on your side to give testimony that's in your favor, you're definitely going to want to be in contact with that person. So, Anthony, I'm not sure maybe why she hasn't called. She probably has other things going on. Maybe she's got a guy already.

[Julian Field]

The charges were, I think, the smallest level of assault you can get or whatever. He was out later that night, let's put it that way. While Anthony was being a government informant and Vichy politician, I was standing at an empty plaza with a fountain at its center. And after all the yelling and chaos, the silence felt pretty fucking good. There was only one other person near me, a young woman who had also clearly been covering the event. And she turned out to be a French journalism student that had traveled to CPAC to write her master's thesis on the American right wing. She was just. I mean, this was like her first, like, you know, going out to an American scuffle. And, yeah, she was kind of in shock. And she asked me, like, is the beat always this insane? And I didn't really know how to answer. I mean, I suppose it always is. I mean, the proud boys aren't my usual bread and butter. They're humorless. They're a lot less happy than the average QAnon event attendee and way more prone to violence.

[Liv Agar]

Anyways, and the crazy thing. The crazy thing is that she actually went there because of me. She got in touch with me to try and figure out how to cover Washington after Trump's reelection a few weeks ago, a few months ago. And I told her, you need to go to do on the ground reporting. And she found this event. And she went, I was there. I didn't know she was going to be there. And it turned out that that was the same young journalist. So shout out to Chloe. By the way, she's a really nice person and there's a very good journalist in her.

[Julian Field]

Hell, yes, we love young journalists that Alteni is needlessly putting in danger. Anyways, we all kind of retreated to a bar to gather ourselves after what was a dynamic day near the United States Capitol. But because Washington, D.C. is cursed, the bar was across from the Heritage Foundation. So Just this giant fucking building there, if you don't know, a key player in Project 2025. And we saw two young women, independently of each other, who traveled there that day to stand in protest against the initiative. So all in all, young women are the only thing in this country, like, standing between us and the end. The end of it all. So that's cool. After our big day at the Capitol, Altani and I returned to our hotel near Embassy Row. It was Friday night, but neither of us had any energy left. Tomorrow, Trump would be speaking at cpac, and I'd have to catch a flight back to LA soon after. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Last episode ended on Wednesday night, before the meat of the conference had even begun. So I guess we'll start the very next day when I found out my press pass had been disabled. Thursday, February 20, 2025. My ride pulled over to the side of the street to let a long motorcade through. Vice President J.D. vance was in one of the many black SUVs. He was scheduled to speak that morning. Security had definitely thickened. I had to go through a metal detector, a bomb dog, and a bag search before even accessing the hallway outside of the main conference room. I walked right up to the press pass booth where a young woman told me to scan my QR code at one of the terminals. I was in a hurry to get it over with so I could make my way into the main event and see Vance. Hmm, it says disabled, the young CPAC volunteer told me. Indeed, it appeared that the machine had found me in the system and my pass had been revoked. So to this day, I still don't know what happened. Maybe they approved me first and then had a second layer of scrutiny that revealed me as a treacherous scumbag. Anyways, I mumbled something about already having the International Summit badge. Like couldn't I just be issued a normal one to replace it? And she told me, oh, you gotta wait in line, speak to the proper press ops people and sort it out. So at that point, my two options were to raise a stink and attract attention to the fact that my pass had been disabled, or just use the International Summit Pass for the next two days. The main problem is that it didn't have my name on it. It said in huge bold letters only for International Summit, and also stated February 19, 2025, only press pass for pre event. I would have to go in and out of constant badge check areas for the next few days, and if it didn't work even once, I would get tossed. So I'VE included the picture just so you can see how bad it is.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Julian Field]

The main bold text as only for international Summit.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian Field]

Not much of a choice. I decided to wing it with the badge. So I was like kind of at first wearing it backwards and I'd be like, oh yeah, flip it if needed kind of thing. But they would let me through. But the first check, I went up the escalators towards the main auditorium and the two like badge check volunteers were peering down at me. I was praying that they wouldn't look too closely. And right as I passed them, one of them called out to me, sir, sir, sir. I froze and turned slowly. Could you just flip your badge please, so we can see the front of it? I obeyed, trying to stay calm. She briefly looked over the badge, then looked at me. Oh, sorry we bothered you. Just keep it facing that way.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I just can't really.

[Julian Field]

I couldn't. I couldn't fucking believe it. She made me turn the badge and I still got away with it. And this is the point in the episode where I genuinely have to thank CPAC and Matt Schlap for being such horrible little penny pinchers because the entire badge checking staff was made up of volunteers and the great of them were pretty old. So I would wear my badge for the next three days without anybody stopping me again.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh my God.

[Julian Field]

Thank you so much, Mr. Schlapp.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Like level, level of security as like the, the bad guys in like a Jason Statham action movie.

[Julian Field]

I made my way into the press pen at the back of the room. On stage, the vice president was being interviewed by Mercedes Schlapp. It was an extremely boring conversation composed of questions designed to promote Vance as a charismatic everyman fighting for the American people. Topics included illegal immigration, abortion, young men being feminized by the woke libs and other such trash. My notes from that day read, quote, an absolute suck job of an interview. I won't bore you too much with Vance, but it's worth listening to this clip of Mercedes Schlapp setting up immigration issues in a very familiar way for our listeners. Let's dig deeper into the immigration issue. Sure. We've seen and you've met many of the victims, people who have family members who have died, been tragically, tragically murdered. Those angel families in the hands of these criminal illegal aliens. Sure. What's your message to these families?

[Anthony Monsuy]

What is.

[Julian Field]

And then what is your message to these horrific drug cartels and human traffickers who have preyed on the most vulnerable in the world?

[Anthony Monsuy]

You're literally a beard Like, I do the whole clip. That's MercedesLapp, right? Yeah, anything she says. I feel like I just can't process all the insane schlapp stuff.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It is the most QAnon setup ever. It's like, let's talk about immigration and the children who've disappeared and the evil cartels who are trafficking them. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Jake Rakatansky]

I was thinking that this feels like a. Like a clip playing on like the news in robocop. Like. Like it feels like a dystopian future where you're like, oh, okay, so the fascists have won. And like, this is your kind of average, like, news program before the events of the movie are about to unfold.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, it's definitely as if the fascists have won in the United States.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Julian Field]

It's like that. It's like a movie that would represent.

[Anthony Monsuy]

That this is what it would be like.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Well, it is like the movie. Well, the movie is like reality. But the movie that I was referencing came out so many years ago. Maybe the fascists had won then. I don't know.

[Julian Field]

The 80s.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. Can't think of any right wing victories in America.

[Julian Field]

Sitting with Antoni, I couldn't help but notice that phone notifications were going off all around us like popcorn. One guy was watching a video he had just filmed of Vance walking out on stage and it was looped for Instagram, so it just kept repeating the same opening line, like, let us welcome the greatest vice president. Let us welcome the greatest vice president. Let us welcome the greatest vice president. I was surrounded by iPad boomers.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Everyone is so cooked. Every single generation. Like for so long it was just young kids. And then boomers found out what iPads were like how to post things on your phone and get likes. And that is like the end of civilization, end of American society. There's no going back.

[Julian Field]

That's what it sounds like. Later, Anthony told me he wished he had taken lsd. And I could not have related less, like, to be fucked up for this. I would have absolutely freaked out. The day was packed with just dipshits fucking people like Michael Knowles and like worthless panels called shit like culture warriors. Take your truce and shove it. And my personal favorite, BlackRock lifes crushing woke boardrooms.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Julian Field]

I mean, that really takes the fucking cake.

[Anthony Monsuy]

That's. They won, like, yeah.

[Julian Field]

Some of the most normal stuff I heard from the stage came from the mouth of speaker of the house Mike Johnson. And he said that they were going to, quote, take a blowtorch the regulatory state. So that gives you an idea of just how insane the rhetoric was up there. People cheered for the elimination of the Department of Education. They cheered at the idea that thousands of criminals, including American citizens, would be deported and indefinitely held in a sprawling Salvadoran megaprison with the help of President Nayib Bukele. They cheered at the idea that ICE would double in size and rehire those that were let go for misconduct. Sebastian Gorka, who has somehow found his way back into the White House, described sitting with Trump to make a military decision.

[Liv Agar]

Mr. President, there is an ISIS terrorist enclave, a cave complex in northern Somalia, which our government has been surveilling for more than a year and a half. The President looked at me and Mike.

[Julian Field]

And said, what do you mean?

[Liv Agar]

We've been watching jihadis. And Mike said, well, yes, the former administration and Joe Biden didn't want to kill them. President Trump looks up from the Resolute.

[Julian Field]

Desk and said, kill them.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I thought, what happened to Dove, Trump? I thought he was gonna end all the global wars.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, man. Fell for it again. Award, etc. This next clip really drives home how we are all processing reality through fiction. It's not just you, Jake.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I was the first, actually. They're all copying me.

[Julian Field]

That's right.

[Liv Agar]

Less than 30 hours later, I am back with my boss, Mike Waltz with my team members underneath the West Wing in the Situation Room. It's like I'm in an episode of 24 or Jason Bourne movie, and we were watching this video. Play video.

[Julian Field]

It's a grainy satellite image of a mountainside, and it is about to disappear into a mushroom of smoke. Here is Gorka prepping his audience for.

[Liv Agar]

The snuff film that is a leader of ISIS responsible for training recru, recruiting, financing, and deploying jihadis across the world to kill Americans and our friends and.

[Julian Field]

Allies hiding out in a massive cave.

[Liv Agar]

Complex in northern Somalia. We are watching this live. But remember, ladies and gentlemen, this is not a movie. This is real life, and this is what President Trump did to him.

[Anthony Monsuy]

You're watching this live, which is like, no, you're not. Yeah, it's not.

[Julian Field]

No, no, no, no.

[Anthony Monsuy]

How much influence does Gorka have now? Is he. Is he talking this up? I mean, I assume he's talking his influence up a little bit.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's definitely, like, in that kind of, like, counterterrorism. Like, I don't fucking know.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's.

[Julian Field]

He's in the. Is in. He's underground. He's in the. He's in the Situation Room with the President.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, he's watching. He's watching the Zero Dark Thirty cams. I mean, at some point, they let him in.

[Julian Field]

A lot of the convention felt like it had two talking points. Donald Trump is amazing, and we must arrest, incarcerate, and sometimes murder our enemies. From a stage on the Expo floor, Israeli politician Amichai Chikli told convention goers that his country was, quote, teaching the west how to win a war, which is, I guess, genocide.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Liv Agar]

He's actually a minister. He's not even. He's not only a politician, he's a minister in the Netanyahu government.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. The west did come up a few times, mostly during European politician speeches, and their kind of slogan has become Greek philosophy, Roman law and Christian values.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Just meaningless.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, there's a lot going on here. It's obviously just LARPs, right? Like, remembering old civilizations that, like, right wingers think are awesome.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

But it's particularly funny because it's like Greek philosophy. Okay, so, like, loving boys. That makes sense.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. It's cool. How many Neoplatonists were there to speak about the realm of the forms Roman.

[Julian Field]

Law, which I believe Roman law literally crucified Jesus and Christian values. Values of the guy crucified by the last thing. So I think it does check out. It does check out.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Also, of course, you have Roman law. European legal systems were built on Roman. That's why there's.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, that's kind of. Their point is, like, this is what the west is. I see eventually paying too much attention to all of this stuff just kind of destroys your brain. Which is why Anthony and I, taking a relatively leisurely break, missed Elon Musk's entry and accepting of a chainsaw on stage by Argentine President. Y. But I did get to watch it later on YouTube. This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Ch. Oh, God, he's so right.

[Julian Field]

I mean, chainsaw, chainsaw.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I know we're supposed to be, like, making fun of people who, like violence is all they can think of, but I'm having a hard time watching this clip and not fantasizing about the chainsaw by accidentally turning on and kind of flailing around.

[Julian Field]

We've done plenty of coverage of Elon Musk, so I won't spend too much time on this, but it is genuinely insane how fucked up and incoherent he was during cpac. He could barely string a sentence together. His big gold chain was clinking on the lapel mic. He wore sunglasses the whole time, and it was A surreal experience to be in the audience with, like, a large group of people are.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Who.

[Julian Field]

Who are just supposed to love and support this guy. One question in particular they asked him, brought out the crackhead inside.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I've been fascinated by you for a very long time.

[Julian Field]

Thanks.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I've never seen anybody that can do so many things at the same time. I mean, you've got the rockets, you got the cars. I've always wanted to ask you, what.

[Julian Field]

Is it like inside your mind?

[Jake Rakatansky]

Is it just 1,000 miles an hour? I mean, are you.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Is it just not. I mean, does it ever stop? Do you sleep? How much do you sleep?

[Anthony Monsuy]

What's.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Paint us a picture of inside of the mind of a genius. Like, how do you do all this?

[Julian Field]

Can you answer that question?

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's not an easy question. I mean, my mind is a storm.

[Julian Field]

So it's a storm.

[Anthony Monsuy]

You see how slow he goes? It's like the idiot. The Sherlock writers, how they represent geniuses, and it's the dumbest shit ever.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Did anyone see that tweet where he. He's like, clearly in some sort of K hole in the back. Maybe this was. Maybe this wasn't cpac. This was elsewhere. But it's like a representation of his internal monologue. And he's like. The sound system in this room could be 20% more optimized. It was like the. Because of. These guys are fucking idiots. They can't recognize someone else who's, like, a fucking idiot.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. While he was hesitating before answering, an old lady next to me turned to her friend and was like, he's such a genius that he can barely speak. And she was being serious. So that tells you, like, how we are all experiencing different realities.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

The interview ended with another round of Elon waving around the chainsaw. But in his other hand, he also waved a portrait of himself that someone handed him from the audience. So that was really cool, and I was glad to be there for that. Steve Bannon had to follow Musk, which was tricky for him because he had talked mad shit about Musk just, like, a few days prior. He called him like an illegal alien and shit. I don't even know, but. And he was also pretty pissed, probably, that he got bumped. Bumped at cpac. Like, I think Elon might have personally requested to bump Steve Bannon because, yeah, that's. That's who he displaced. But like any good general, Bannon rallied and rose to the occasion, making arguments that sound a lot like QANON logic. And it was divine providence. Hand that let them steal 2020 because we had to see how depraved they were. We had to see how demonic they were. We had to see what they were prepared to do to this country. And what did you do? Did you ever falter? No, you did not. Did you ever doubt? No, you did not. Did you ever question? No, you did not. And you know what? It brought us a glorious, glorious, glorious victory.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Sweat is just, like, drenching his face. Like, it's just completely dripping down.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, he's a pretty wet boy in general.

[Anthony Monsuy]

He's got an oddly, like, Trump case cadence.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, I was noticing that, too.

[Anthony Monsuy]

The weird low register.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's also, like, dressed like. He's, like, gonna go out, like, hiking in the woods with his, like, hound dog.

[Julian Field]

Yes. That is the new, like, far right thing in Europe, too. He's wearing this coat.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Is this coat. Yeah, this coat with the corduroy. The corduroy lapels.

[Julian Field]

It's like that. It's. It's like the old hunting jackets.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. But, yeah, so. So he's basically saying, like, we had to lose so that you could see. Like, so the enemy could reveal itself as demonic. Like, it's pure. It's pure Q. I'm like, yeah, these.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Guys are fucking insane.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, they're out of their mind. Steve Bannon stole back the spotlight from Musk, of course, by adding what I call a little spice to his speech. The only way that they win is we retreat, and we're not going to retreat. We're not going to surrender. We're not going to quit. Fight, fight, fight. That you can't see it, but he did a Nazi soldier. Jake has lost it. This one sent him over the edge.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Well, he's like. He's clearly. It's like a combination of two hilarious things, which is he's repeating what Trump said after he got. After the tiny little piece of his ear got nicked by the assassin's bullet. And everybody starts to rile up, and then it's almost as if he gets carried away. He's like, oh, yeah, this is going so. Like, I've been. You know, I was formerly an actor. I've been on a stage. I've been improv ing, and I know what it's like when you. All of a sudden, the audience is moving, you get excited, and it's almost as if he can't help himself that he throws this Nazi salute. It's like, ah, it's so. I just.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, it's very doctor Strange love, like, holding down your own arm yeah, it.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Was such a timid Nazi salute. I feel like that is not a gesture that's meant to be done half heartedly.

[Jake Rakatansky]

No, it really isn't. Not that I would know or anything.

[Julian Field]

So, Antoni, you remember, like, I saw this live and I was like, I think he fucking did a Nazi salute. And Antoni had not seen it. And then on our way back, we were in the cab and I was like, no, I swear to God. So I pulled up the footage of, you know, of the speech, and we kind of, like, scrubbed through it and Antoni, please tell us who was correct, who was right, who was the big boy?

[Liv Agar]

I was actually taking notes.

[Julian Field]

So of course that's why you missed. That's why you missed it.

[Liv Agar]

Yeah, we used to it, you know, and, yeah, you were right. And you actually. We checked Twitter after that, and nobody had tweeted about it. There was no articles. And it was probably about an hour later, an hour after it actually made it. And so you decided to post it and my. The far right leader in France actually canceled his speech in protest of the Nazi salute.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Liv Agar]

Which is its own story. But, yeah, you actually, like, I think it. It made like 6 million views in a couple of hours. Your clip. So. Yeah. And the flurry of articles came after that.

[Julian Field]

So, yeah, Jordan Bardella canceled his speech as a result of this.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Julian, might I say how problematic it was for you to call it a Roman salute.

[Julian Field]

I put that in quotations because I was making fun of the right for referring to it that way. But, yeah, you're right. I should have. I should have just. Nazi salute. Yikes, yikes, yikes.

[Liv Agar]

Yeah, because the guy with. To go back to the French subject, the guy who has in its ranks people who used to run bookstores with Holocaust denying books, cancels his speech because of a Nazi salute.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. That tells you how clear it was.

[Liv Agar]

American overseas, we want to do the racist policies, but please don't show the racist symbols. That's just like a hindrance for us.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. So before we continue with the hawk horror and the blood and the bones, let's take a little comedic break to discuss hanging out with Vincent Fuska, aka JFK Jr.

[Jake Rakatansky]

This guy's everywhere.

[Julian Field]

My main role, like, I just basically, like. Just to cope mentally, I had to fixate on something, and my main goal was to buy one of those T shirts from him. It says Trump's Guardian angel, and it has, like, what looks like an American flag, like, neckerchief, but he's like, Photoshopped it out and it's the shape of, like, an angel kind of, you know, like the way a neckerchief is around your neck. It's like. It kind of looks like an angel and it, like, floating above the crowd the day of the Trump assassination. So I think his new shtick is that he's not. I mean, JFK Jr. Yes, obviously. But also, maybe he's Trump's guardian angel because he's, like, the only guy who appears in the background during the assassination attempt who just looks around confused instead of, like, ducking and, like, freaking out.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's. Everybody knows guardian angels. The way that they save you is by being really confused, not sure what. What's going on, looking around.

[Julian Field]

So the problem was that he only had, like, one T shirt that he was carrying around, and he kept telling me that he wanted to give it to Nigel Farage, but I still convinced him, like, hey, come on. And he was like, yeah, I want the T shirt to get back to France. I want the French people, you know, to see this T shirt. I don't know how he imagines things like, maybe the plane lands and, like, welcome back, Anthony and Julien, you know.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Did you bring us anything? Yes, I brought you this T shirt. And it becomes, like, the viral sensation in France. Have you heard of the Trump's guardian angel T shirt?

[Anthony Monsuy]

It's signed, it gets hung up on the Eiffel Tower for everyone to see.

[Julian Field]

Something, like. I don't know what he imagined, but the difficulty arose when I tried to pay him for the T shirt, and he had no understanding of his own phone. He has one of those, like, big flip open phones. And it took me, like, I'm not kidding, like, half an hour to get him logged into his own PayPal so I could figure out his username and get the money to him. And by the way, his name on PayPal is New York News York, because I think he. He filled in first and last name by mistake is just where he was. So I finally. I finally. I finally got him to. To take the money through PayPal, and. And I got my T shirt. But then we were discussing it, you know, and I wanted to, like, ask him, like, straight up, you know, because it's. He's this, like, he's always, like, very secretive and cheeky about, like, whether or not he's JFK Jr and now he's secretive and cheeky about why. Whether he's Trump's guardian angel. Both. Both things that he knows people believe. I mean, this one's a bit more like Inception. Like, he wants people to kind of start to believe this second new thing. But here's our little conversation. In order for Trump to have got out of it a lot, you had to have a guardian angel that day.

[Liv Agar]

You think you were it.

[Julian Field]

There's a lot more to talk about. But you know what? That's. You think it was you? I don't know. I don't. Do you think it was another person known as JFK Jr. Could be. Could be.

[Jake Rakatansky]

You know too much. You know too much.

[Julian Field]

You know too much.

[Jake Rakatansky]

You know, this is wonderful, because how disappointing would it be if you finally, you know, you had a nice interaction with Fuska and he was, like, on his game. He had a whole box, all the sizes you could want. You know, he's got, you know, a QR code, code to scan, get right to his PayPal. It would have ruined him as a creature, as a. As a, you know, a place in American political folklore. But the fact that he didn't know his password, he didn't know how to use his big folding phone, the fact that he's still being, like, kind of coy about who. His. Which Persona he's, you know, going with that day is just. It just adds. It adds a little bit of authenticity to the. I think the aura sort of surrounding the story of Vincent Fuska.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. It really helps reinforce that the JFK Jr thing was not. Not him. Like, it wasn't because he skillfully planted the idea. It was pure chance he's trying to rewrite.

[Julian Field]

He's like, ah, this JFK junior Thing is annoying. I want to be the guardian angel instead. But you can see I included for Jake and Liv, a little photo of me, literally, like, using his phone with him.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Did he ever take off his hat? Did you ever see him without his hat on?

[Julian Field]

No, never seen it. It's like you said, Jake, I think if we take off the hat, the whole head just pops off. We discussed this. This.

[Anthony Monsuy]

But I like the idea. It's a wig.

[Julian Field]

The funny thing that I'm realizing from looking at this photo is, like, we kind of look similar in some ways. This is just a photo of two Italians.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's just.

[Julian Field]

This is just trying to use a phone.

[Jake Rakatansky]

This is just a nephew and un.

[Julian Field]

Straight up. Oh, man.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Vincent Fusca does have family. I'm sure. Somewhere I'm so curious, like, what they think of him. Like, oh, crazy Uncle Vince is like. He's. I don't know.

[Julian Field]

People think.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Think he's some politician or whatever, and he goes to these conventions and Sells hats and T shirts. He's actually made. I think he told me last year he made something like $475,000. I mean, he's doing really well.

[Julian Field]

No, there's no way he's making that much money because he hasn't gotten his shit set up.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, he could be, if he knew what he was doing.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I think that his family probably knows him as what he was before people started talking about JFK Jr. Which is just a guy who was riding around in a giant white van that had been completely decal with, like, Trump 20 and, like, pictures of Trump that he later crashed.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Truth Kennedy form.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, he totaled it.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Well, he did it. Hillary arranged.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, a Hillary mobile.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I wish this podcast was just about Vincent Fuska. I feel like I would be such a happier person, like, if we just. We just followed him. We just followed him, talked to him. He was a. A host.

[Julian Field]

A host.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Like, a little safe, like, mind sanctuary. Yeah, it really is in the CFC pack.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes, exactly. You nailed it, Julian. This was a little bit of respite, you know, we found a campfire where we could restore our hp and all the enemies respawn around us.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, you can spend whatever souls you still have with you to slightly upgrade T shirt.

[Jake Rakatansky]

You could spend your intelligence on a guardian T shirt.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Ugh.

[Julian Field]

After the main stage calmed down, Antoni and I headed for the exits. We needed to get out of this place. On our way out, I noticed Enrique Tarrio milling around the lobby, talking to various reporters, which is when he told me about the gathering at the Capitol that I described at the top of the episode. That night, I slept poorly again, chased by unnamable monsters through mazes that dissolved with morning. Friday, February 21, 2025. I arrived too late for the morning Rosary, which I had planned to attend at least once. That was assuming I had the stomach for some extra folklore, which I didn't. There was nothing interesting here. This was an unremarkable, evil place. And that's exactly what I felt walking around the CPAC expo floor. Nothing. It would only be later, days later, when I was back in la, that the symptoms would manifest like radiation poison poisoning. Antoni and I stood in a bit of a daze near the war room. Live broadcast. Bannon was interviewing two children who were there with their mother. It's a whole family vacation. Instead of going to Disneyland, they're going to cpac, he told their mom. Anthony wanted to get Bannon on record about the Nazi salute and Jordan Bardella's subsequent cancellation. This did come to Fruition. An AP reporter brought the incident up, and Bannon did not mince his words. So this is Anthony's recording of that interaction because I waved to the crowd like I did at the Front national seven years ago. He's a pussy, he's not a man. And he will never be the leader of France. Le Pent made a bad decision of picking this guy. He may be a pretty boy, he could talk the talk. This guy's weaker and more of a pussy than Macron. Yeah, he was pretty pissed. Bannon also mentioned the great awakening from the expo floor, which made my ears perk up. They're here because they don't understand you. Because the American people have been sheep for so long.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Long.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Right.

[Julian Field]

Just following. You haven't had your great awakening. Now that you have your great awakening, you're not paying attention to the elites anymore. This was his reasoning for, like, why mainstream media showed up to like, document CPAC and stuff. One of the most cursed things I heard was Bannon interacting with a guy who evaded the FBI for the entire Biden term and was now at cpac. The Bonnie and Clyde Omega. Well, we love you, sir, and I'm.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Just honored to be here.

[Julian Field]

We're honored to have you here. Now, what's the secret? Not that we would need to know that.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Right?

[Julian Field]

But just in case, what's the secret for avoiding. Of course the FBI's got drones. They got cameras everywhere. They got people, they got informants. What is the, you know, the other guy got caught away. What is the key to avoid the FBI for four years? The secret is the MAGA Underground railroad. Elderly patriots that are willing to stand up for what they believe in? Whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll talk afterwards.

[Anthony Monsuy]

So you just like stay hidden in like an 80 year old's house who doesn't have like WI fi, still has like dialogue modems?

[Julian Field]

You're like. You're like J6 and Frank in like the attic of like an old. An old MAGA lady.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Oh, God, I can't IM imagine just like being on the lam with like old mega people for four years. Years. They loved it.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I'll bet. I'll bet they were like, well, and we meet down at 9am for tea and cookies and prayers every morning. They're like, oh, yeah. Yes, ma'.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Am.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Thank you. Do you think I could plug my PlayStation in the.

[Anthony Monsuy]

You ever, like, meet an old person who like, clearly has a lot of ideas and like no one to talk to about them? Like, it's just like that for four years straight. Awful I guess, like there's a new FBI and they don't care anymore. This kind of confuses me.

[Julian Field]

I think that like, they were all pardoned, so he also got pardoned.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I'm not sure, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julian Field]

It's hard to believe any. It's hard to like think of any other moment in American history where you could just like avoid the FBI for four years and then you're just like, chill.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Like it's like fine. Now it's like, what?

[Jake Rakatansky]

You're like, oh, I made it. The guards have passed. Their vision has disappeared.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. I lost my stars. It's fine.

[Julian Field]

I found a uniform. I skulked around the expo floor aimlessly trying to take as many pictures as possible. I found a European guy walking around with a haircut that would remind absolutely anybody who sees him of a certain German leader.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Okay, that's. Yeah.

[Julian Field]

What do you think of this haircut? Yeah, it is straight up Hitler's haircut.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Awesome. Nearby, a doctor wearing a kippah was advertising his book. He runs a thing called do no Harm, which supposedly protects doctors from identity politics. So could you read the title of this book?

[Anthony Monsuy]

Take two aspirin and call me by my pronouns. I see on the right they have. What is that? Chloe Cole or whatever, like the D. Trans Grifter. So I assume it's like a. I think about how new doctors are like approving of all these, you know, weird woke prescriptions for people and that you'll be medically liable if you don't, like, go along.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah. The subtitle is why Turning Doctors into Social justice warriors is Destroying American Medicine by Stanley Goldfarb, M.D. so really cool vibes to just have like, I don't know, just guys in kippahs walking around next to guys and wearing literal like Hitler haircuts and talking about like the west, the Western civilization and how Europe has to like rise up.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I mean, it can't be a coalition that maintains itself for four years. Like, I refuse to believe. I mean, even now there's like ruptures in it already. But like, I refuse to believe they'll be sit happily in a room for four years. Especially if like, the opposition is so limited. Like they'll just start fighting each other.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Especially as time begins to run out. You know, once they're two years in and they haven't really, you know, haven't really done anything or anything as grand as they have hoped to execute, I think the pressure will be on and yeah, they, the rats will be expelled.

[Julian Field]

I don't know, for me that might be wishful thinking. I mean, I think that like Zionism is a huge part of the new fascist coalition. Like that's just kind of a given now. And like they've turned their eyes to Islamists and people who are even more like other.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, I mean one of the sides will win, I think, and it's probably the Zionist portion because it's more moderate than the explicit, like anti Semites or like the rabid anti semi. But they will, I think they will fight. There will be some major conflict between them.

[Julian Field]

One can only hope. Yeah, one booth was for an organization called Men's Equality Network and there was just like this middle aged man sitting there alone wearing a big blue T shirt that said hashtag gender equality for men. And if you, if you zoom in a little bit, it's like it shows all like the main, like issues that men face. Education, health, the boy crisis, false allegations, violence against men, men, shared parenting, crime.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Partner abuse, reproductive rights.

[Julian Field]

Yes.

[Anthony Monsuy]

And then it shows like people are pregnant. So is this like, is a woke thing we're like wrapping. I'm confused what the angle for reproductive rights would be. It's like family court maybe.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, you have like, you have access to the child. Like it's not just the woman's even if you're a deadbeat.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Right. What if you don't want to abort, but the woman does?

[Julian Field]

There we go.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I think the force. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian Field]

The organization behind this is called the International Council for Men and Boys and their website is just menandboys.net which is.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Just like, oh boy.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Jesus Christ.

[Jake Rakatansky]

If you fuck that up and die and put a comm or a dot org, I mean, who knows what you might find? Who knows, you might like it. You know, for guys who claim to hate wokeness, it sure seems like they're standing up for a lot of social issues, that they're obsessed with identity.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, they are identity politics guys now. Yeah, definitely.

[Anthony Monsuy]

They're more identitarian than especially the Dems. Like the Dems don't actually give a shit that much about identity. Yeah, they were like doing it kind of cynically and they're like, well, okay, look, if we, if we even perceive that it's sabotaging our electoral campaign, we'll drop it. Republicans are like, we don't give a fuck. We will lose five elections in a row while doing this insane identity politics shit until it works so that.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, some guy who has like eight priors can regain custody of his child.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Live. Did you say all that While holding a PEZ dispute dispenser.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, I got a hello Kitty PEZ dispenser.

[Julian Field]

What the. What is happening?

[Anthony Monsuy]

Incredible.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Wow. You truly are a hero. A hero of the people.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I don't like pez. They take political takes.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Political takes, but then, like, rocking like a hello Kitty pes.

[Anthony Monsuy]

It's like I'm fidgeting with it. I need something to.

[Jake Rakatansky]

So much cooler than we'll ever be.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I have autism. I like.

[Julian Field]

Listen, we like hello Kitty PEZ dispenser. That PEZ dispenser. Full of estrogen.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Exactly.

[Jake Rakatansky]

My partner is currently playing the, like, hello Kitty animal crossing style game. It's really good. Very deep.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Better give that a shot. Thank you.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, it's a nice. It's a nice calming. It's a nice calming game. Good music, pretty graphics. It's on PC and switch.

[Julian Field]

I can see that you guys just want to escape this episode so bad. Jake's like, can we just talk about hello Kitty?

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, I hate the thing I care about you're talking about. It's so depressing. It's so depressing to see these people get together and believe they're winning and have that also be true.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, like, this is their image for the future. That they are currently in charge of that.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, exactly. That they're also in charge of. It was way, way funnier when they were, you know, the underdogs.

[Julian Field]

There were also photo opportunities on the expo floor, so I included here. It's like a giant backdrop that says deportation center. And you can stand with Trump and his border czar, Tom Homan. And if you see in the bottom left, there is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris behind the bars.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, they've deported both of them.

[Julian Field]

I don't know. It's not clear, but it's just so much sadism and weird cruelty. It's kind of disorienting. The vibes were not much better. Upstairs in the hallways near the main stage, I ran into a few ignominious celebrities, including Tim Ballard, Mike Lindell, Lara Logan, Sebastian Gorka. He was being interviewed by a conservative version of the View called the Mom View.

[Anthony Monsuy]

That is one thing about the View is that moms hate it. Moms don't watch it.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Because this one's made by Moms for America, the organization. It's like, what if. Our view. It's the Mom View. So he was being interviewed for that. There were some outlets recording live segments that I recognized, like Newsmax, the Epoch Times, but most of the actual booths had been rented by incredibly obscure, tiny independent outlets trying to make a name for themselves. So everybody was here. Wake up with Patty Catter, Hot Talk with the Ox, featuring Dan the Ox Ochsner, the John Fredericks show, the Godzilla of Truth, the Alec Lace Show, Patriots Prayer News, the Lawyer Dana Podcast, Proverb Media View Standing for Freedom center, the Daily Signal, and my personal favorite, the Jeff and Bill show, which had a hand drawn sign depicting them as little stick men.

[Anthony Monsuy]

All the stars are here, folks.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, you can see it. You can see the little stick men. One of them is wearing a giant, like gallon hat.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Because one of the real guys is wearing a giant gallon hat.

[Julian Field]

That's right. So it's really representative.

[Jake Rakatansky]

So it's really, you know which one is which. You know who, who's Jeff and who's Bill. And I bet they are so interesting to listen to. I bet they have lots of fire takes.

[Julian Field]

That's right. Before I knew it, altogether and I were in a car on our way to the Capitol. We had quite an afternoon ahead of us with the proud boys.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Saturday, February 22, 2025.

[Julian Field]

Our journey was coming to an end, but not before one final day of jubilance and cross cruelty. My belly was a mess. I had stress eaten a delivery meal from a barbecue place called the Federalist Pig on my hotel bed the night prior and then fallen into a troubled sleep. By the time we got to cpac, the place was crawling with Secret Service agents securing the venue for Trump. Moments earlier, we missed Eduardo Verastegui, a Mexican actor turned politician, doing another Nazi salute.

[Jake Rakatansky]

This guy sounds like a car in gta. First of all, that's why I'm going.

[Julian Field]

To join the Elon Musk and President Trump's movement.

[Jake Rakatansky]

My heart goes out to all of you.

[Julian Field]

Fight, fight, fight.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, sure. They're just doing it, I guess. Who's stopping them? It's not like nobody, nobody gives a fuck. Everyone's too tired.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like, I too am going to do the pretend it's not a Nazi salute and then do it.

[Anthony Monsuy]

He put a bit more heart into it.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Like he was a bit more pronounced, obviously. Like the plausible deniability of like, no, he was just throwing his hands up is totally gone. Yeah, that one. I still, I still believe, like the lib part of my brain is like, people won't allow that to happen. Like, surely the average person looks at that and goes, that's fucking insane. But maybe not. Maybe people don't care anymore.

[Julian Field]

They just go, that's fake news.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, I guess that's AI. Because it's like, so he's obviously hitting the salute. Like any person with eyes can see that.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, they all are.

[Anthony Monsuy]

But it's just, I guess like the politics of like resentment and resenting the other side of the culture war is so strong that it's like. Well, it made you guys mad.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes.

[Anthony Monsuy]

And you're saying so we have to say it's not a thing. And then also, you know, it's so funny that you guys are mad about this. We're going to keep trolling you.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, exactly. Because if they actually care, if they actually had any kind of self awareness whatsoever and even, you know, cared about optics in any sort. I remember when like it came out that the, the okay sign, you know, the, the, the three, three fingers was like some sort of like nod to like white supremacy. And I was like, all right, well, I'm just like never going to do that symbol again. Like, I just. Okay, like, I don't want to be associated with any of that. So I'm just like not going to make that okay sign, you know, and like, that was as like a private per. You know, just as a private person in my life interacting with like friends, family, whatever. So to embrace a Nazi salute on a public stage after it's been, you know, signified as a Nazi salute, after you kind of to do it almost as it's like a joke. And I'm trolling, but I'm still going to do it is like, it's kind of a perfect analogy of like the Republican fascism which is like couched as a troll. It's so they can kind of secretly, not so secretly just sort of infuse what they always really believed and actually believed and actually want. But it's, it's kind of under the guy. It's like 4chan. And the Chan speak allowed them to filter this in, in a way, way that it could be widely embraced because it didn't feel so nasty at first. I don't know if that makes any sense.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, it's just a joke.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I still have to believe because they're trying to do it with the okay symbol, white power thing. They think it's the same. There's still some impulse in me that thinks that has to be a stupid move that you can't do the same thing. The okay sign. There's so much plausible deniability. You're just doing the okay thing. People, people do that with their hands who are normal people.

[Julian Field]

The proud boys were doing it at our gathering.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess there's just no Infrastructure, especially in like right wing discourse, there's no infrastructure to be like, that's bad.

[Julian Field]

Well, it's like we discussed in the first episode. It's like, would it be anti Semitic if Israel was here? And then they sit down with like the far right Austrian Nazi party, basically. It's like, yeah, yeah. I mean this is it. This is the new, this is the new way.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's like the amount of anger in like American people is to the point where, where it's like the only thing that will suffice is like violence, death and murder. And there's like one party that is like ready to give it to you. You know, I've got this like distant cousin of mine who I see on Instagram all the time and he's like a hardcore Zionist and the shit that he posts is like, is more Nazi is, is more Nazi than any Nazi, you know, thing that I've ever seen. In turn and talks about the way, the way he talks about Palestinian people, the extermination of them, describing them as dehumanization, dehumanizing language, calling them cats, cockroaches, all of this stuff. And I'm like, wow, like if you are angry in the United States, it's not just that like, oh man, tough times. I'm angry. It's like, I must murder and kill. Like we've reached a level of like disgust with our fellow or your perceived political enemy or whatever it is that anything less than like violence like will not suffice. It's really terrifying and feels very bad.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, like those like the right wing Israeli like politician is representing the interests of the Israeli nation state where like anti antisemitism abroad might be a motivating factor for immigration and also like facilitates political alliances for the state. The interests ironically of like the. At the religious group entirely and the state itself become sort of antithetical. It's like, yeah, you kind of want it to be harder for people elsewhere so that they come to Israel so that the. The reason the raison d' etre of the state like continues Verastege's half hearted.

[Julian Field]

Attempt to out Hitler everyone was a perfect representation of what was in store for us that day. More of the same fascist red meat thrown to a crowd of baying pigs. What even was the point of being here? The only way this event should be covered was with President Xi's tactical nukes.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Xi, please. Dongbang missile. Aim it right at the convention center.

[Julian Field]

Nothing confirmed this more than Stephen Miller, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff and maybe one of the most unpleasant goblins to look at in his speech. Every single day, the entire White House.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Staff, the entire administration, the entire cabinet, on behalf of President Trump and his extraordinary leadership is getting the lies out.

[Julian Field]

Of our schools, the men out of women's sports, the poison out of our foods, the woke out of our military, the predators off our streets, and the illegal aliens the hell out of our country. In an effort to outdo even Miller, Mark Levin and his wife were on the stage a bit later, capturing a form of Zionist fascism that uses shock tactics to justify a genocidal agenda. These bastards must be eradicated. It's that simple. You don't take a nine month old baby and a four year old little boy and their mother, mother and torture them, Strangle those kids with your bare hands. Chop up their bodies so nobody they think will notice. Remember when that mother was being pulled with her kids and she knew the people doing this are subhumans. They are rabid. They're not animals. Animals don't do this. Donald Trump knows this. These are the same people who attacked us on 9 11. These are the same people who decapitated 70 black Christians in a Congo church 48 hours ago. All of them. This is the enemy. It's not about land, it's not about borders, it's not about any of that. They seek to extinguish us, these Islamist terrorists, and we're going to have to extinguish them before they even have a shot at distinguishing extinguishing us.

[Anthony Monsuy]

The relationship with like fundamentalist Islam is always or especially recently very, very odd. It seems like a lot of the American, right, especially the more like manosphere, I guess part of it is like embracing it because it's like, oh, it's based like it's a way of controlling women or whatever. But then you get like the foreign policy people speaking and it's back to like Christianity is what's good, that we need to, you know, Islam is the enemy. But then also, I mean in this conversation, I guess like the enemy is also Christian because it's like Central American immigrants who are broadly Christian population. So I guess, yeah, it is just like a undefinable outside enemy that has to be extinguished. Just incoherent.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Mark Levin is a scary dude. If he were in better health, I'd be worried about him becoming a bigger force in politics. He has like a AM radio, he has a Fox show now too. But I discovered him as like on AM radio years ago and he's always been this violent. Like that is that is his thing. He is.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, he's completely psychotic. I mean, completely psychotic. But I think he basically. That was like a perfect example of how you usher in fascism. Like, your children are under attack. These are animals. They're subhuman. They're gonna chop you up. They're gonna kill everyone you love. That's why we have to exterminate them. And I mean, that's.

[Anthony Monsuy]

I mean, like, where do you go from there? It's just that we've reached the end point.

[Julian Field]

Next is killing.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. In terms of. Of rhetoric, that's the final step.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, it's the final solution.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Julian Field]

It's so fucking cursed and, like, it's not funny and I want to die.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I hate covering so bad. I'm like. I, like, resent you, Julian, for doing this.

[Julian Field]

Oh, I fucking lived. I went to this thing.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I remember. I remember while you were there, you were telling us. You were like, you're texting on the group chat, just being like, this is fucking awful. It's, like, not fun anymore. You know, I remember when we started going to live events and it was kind of exciting and kooky and weird and QAnon was. They. They were really just kind of testing the waters of how. Which ideas would stick to the wall and who were going to be. Who was going to kind of rise above the chum in terms of, you know, influencers. And now it is. It's like you said, we've. We've reached the end already and it's only March. You know, I don't know what four years of this looks like.

[Anthony Monsuy]

No, I don't think they know.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And that terrifies me as well, because if they're. If they're kind of winging it, they're just going to wing it into violence. Because like you just said, based on. Based on these, you know, these clips that we're listening to, we're there. We're at the point where we're saying, these people need to be exterminated. These people need to be deported.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. I mean, they just deported a green card holder for just having pro Palestinian views. You know, I mean, this is it. Like, we are. We are, you know, crossing the line into, like, let's purge, you know, people who don't agree with this new kind of, like, Zionist fascist alliance. I mean, it's. It's fucking depressing.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. The infrastructure is just there. And they. What was the talk about, like, doubling the amount of ICE agents and bringing back people fired for, you know, mistreating people?

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Bringing Back the good old boys.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Like, the infrastructure is just straightforwardly there. There's no like major reforms that really need to be done to start taxing. Telling them to target different people.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. ICE is always being champing at the bit. Let them loose.

[Jake Rakatansky]

The constitutional sheriffs aren't a real thing. But they could be.

[Julian Field]

But, but they'll do. Yeah, it's real if people do it. I mean, that's kind of how Doge works too. It's like.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Exactly.

[Julian Field]

You're not allowed to. I don't give a fuck. We're doing it.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. Like the Constitution is a piece of paper. Like, if it doesn't actually stop people from doing this, then it's not real. Or. Yeah, not real for the sake.

[Liv Agar]

And also there's the intensity thing because they cannot do like one or two months of rhetoric like, and start acting like it and then stop. People will ask for more. It seems like that. And that's how it seemed like also at CPAC and online too. So it's like, if they start like this, what's four years gonna look like?

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Later on the stage, Ambassador Elise Stefanik, who will be representing the United States at the United nations, called the UN the true den of anti. Semitism. She said that the fight to support Israel was one between good and evil, light and dark, darkness, life and death. She promised that the firing of heads of universities who didn't sufficiently support Israel was, quote, just the beginning. I, I could not have felt worse at this point that there were no non dairy options and the milk I'd put in my coffee was causing me horrifying indigestion. It was a small comfort to know that I was crop dusting everyone around me.

[Anthony Monsuy]

That is. That makes sense. There's no woke milk options. No, none of it's pasteurized as well.

[Julian Field]

None of the. Now they get to, you know, here's the result. I love to fart anti fascistly. That's all we got, folks. Before Trump took to the stage, we were treated to one of the worst renditions of America the Beautiful I have ever heard. Truly no notes. Perfect representation of how ugly and evil this country truly is.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Here we go.

[Julian Field]

America is the greatest country America.

[Anthony Monsuy]

That he.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, God bless America.

[Julian Field]

After four days of this shit, Trump's speech was truly besides the point. The American empire was shedding the veneer of, of liberalism and its project was coming to fruition. The Fourth Reich always has been. Seven hundred and fifty military bases around the world. Unending proxy wars and military interventions. Full support for genocide. Total rejection of The United nations and the International Criminal Court. As I stood in the roaring crowd, I could see myself for what I was. A tiny speck caught in a great current, rushing into a dark hole. CPAC had won. I loved cpac.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Great stuff. Good times.

[Julian Field]

I genuinely. This episode, like writing this stuff, attending there has like short term wrecked my life. I'm not gonna, not gonna sugarcoat it. Like, I am in a terrible state and I need a bath and I need to, I don't know, do good things for myself and love people and be loved. Because this. I don't even know what to say. This, this was. This is the lowest I've ever felt covering any of this shit.

[Jake Rakatansky]

We love you, dude.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Love yourself and everyone around you. Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. I love each and every one of you. I love each and every one of you. Listening. I am so sorry that we are here as a podcast. That the podcast. That there's still a need for it and that it's gotten worse.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah. That the need for it is just reporting the regular news. Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[Julian Field]

What the fuck?

[Jake Rakatansky]

What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Game over, man. Game over.

[Julian Field]

Oh, Jake, I've got a great idea. You should go to patreon.comqaa and sign up. For $5 a month you can get all of the non main episodes, which we promise will only be covering Vincent Fuska and funny movies. We're gonna be covering cartoons.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I will say the premium episodes tend to be less depressing than the main.

[Julian Field]

Don't promise that. You don't.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I don't know what the next one is, but they tend to be most.

[Julian Field]

No, the next one is that Spam Nazi guy.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

That's kind of funny though.

[Anthony Monsuy]

That one's funny. That one's better.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It is funny.

[Julian Field]

Certainly funnier than this. Yeah. Which tells you a lot about where we've. We've come, like how far we've come.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Spam Nazi is kind of funny.

[Julian Field]

Hey, hey, don't worry. We're gonna cheer you up with the episode of a guy who was found burned to death in his car who ended up being a Nazi.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, man.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Hey, cheer up the fuck up. But like, buddy, but a fucking smile on that face.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, but that's funny. You're then real political power at their, you know, pat, pat themselves on the back event, doing like multiple Nazi salutes and talking about like the extermination of like anybody that, you know, doesn't sort of.

[Julian Field]

Our website is qaapodcast.com who, who wants.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Wants to Go fuck it. Who would go, who would go to listen to more of this, this depressing stuff?

[Julian Field]

No, don't say that. Don't say that.

[Jake Rakatansky]

They have to for Julian's sanity sake, so he can, he can afford.

[Julian Field]

Because if Travis was here, he would have put the kibosh on this entire talk. We have to maintain a nice.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Travis would have been like, yeah, he would have told us right away. Jake, don't tell the listeners that they shouldn't be enjoying the content that we put so much work into.

[Julian Field]

We did. And you know, I mean, we're going to keep doing, doing it, but I need some downtime, let's put it that way. Antonis, thanks so much for both being my anchor out there and coming on these two episodes. People should go follow you at Antony. That's just Anthony Monsuy M A N S U Y on Twitter. And then also if you're in France, pick up a copy of Society Anthony's piece on cpac. And a much more interesting angle in my opinion. The kind of Doge angle and the federal workers that are currently, currently kind of speaking out. You have some really great interviews with that. You really go in depth and yeah, I got a little, I got a little taste, a little preview. Oh, well, don't pretend you're about to read Jake. It's not audiobook yet.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, interesting. That wasn't very nice.

[Julian Field]

No, no, it wasn't. That's true. That was mean. I suck, man.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Such a piece of shit.

[Julian Field]

I would say that I'm kicking you while you're down, but actually I'm down and I'm kicking you.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I'm kicking your ankles. Exactly. And it's not like I'm feeling great. It's like I'm kind of trying to extend the episode so that I don't have to close the computer and be with my thoughts. My wife is working. I can't go annoy her. Can't end the show. We can't end it. Let's talk forever. Listener.

[Anthony Monsuy]

Poor Jake.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Listener.

[Julian Field]

Jake wants to stay up.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Listener. I'm the kid.

[Anthony Monsuy]

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[Jake Rakatansky]

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[Julian Field]

Follow Anthony.

[Jake Rakatansky]

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[Julian Field]

Listen until next week. May the deep dish bless you and keep you.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Goodbye.

[Julian Field]

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[Julian Field]

Why were people spreading lies about you being an FBI informant? Listen, I've worked for the federal government before during the Obama and Bush years, okay? I was a DoD contractor. Then I got arrested for some other shit. I kept working right with the dod. And then those two stories combined and they say fetch.