Candace Owens Right Wing Ronin (E364)

Summary

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QAA Podcast Episode 364: "Candace Owens Right Wing Ronin"

Date: March 19, 2026
Hosts: Julian Feeld, Travis View, Liv Agar

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Episode Overview

This episode dissects the implosion of right-wing media solidarity following Candace Owens’ spiraling, conspiracy-fueled tirades in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. The hosts scrutinize Owens’ fixation on Kirk’s widow, Erica Kirk, the conspiracy machinery she’s built around Kirk’s death, and the chaos sowed across conservative influencer circles. The discussion navigates celebrity feuds, gossip as political weaponry, and the unravelling of consensus reality in the conservative movement—mixing critique, wit, and journalistic inquiry.

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1. Setting the Stage: Conservative Drama and Candace Owens' Role

00:32–04:02

• Opening Banter: The hosts share personal updates and lampoon the state of California’s climate, before pivoting to Candace Owens’ recent “lunatic” antics.
• Fracturing on the Right: Travis explains that Owens has broken a right-wing taboo by treating her own movement and its sacred figures as targets for conspiracy—specifically, Erica Kirk, widow of Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk.
  • Key Quote – Travis View [04:02]:
    “Innuendo, suggestions of criminal activity, specious connections are all treated as acceptable tactics... but not all targets are on the table. It’s a violation of this rule that has led Candace Owens to open a rift within the very conservative media ecosystem that once catapulted her to stardom.”

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2. The Kirk-Owens Relationship: Gossip, Grudges & Narrative-Spin

07:06–20:55

• Personal History: Liv presents the backstory of Candace Owens’ professional relationship with Charlie Kirk, contextualizing their friendship within right-wing influencer culture.

  • Notable Quote – Liv Akar [08:46]:
    “It’s a tale as old as time. Your work wife gets too strong feelings... then, after you distance yourself, you’re assassinated and your former work wife publicly leaks a decade of texts to construct a narrative about your real wife being responsible.”

• Owens' Rise: Hired as TPUSA’s director of urban engagement post-controversy, Owens capitalized on her identity for political gain while rapidly shifting her own positions.

  • Quote – Julian Feeld [10:00]:
    “That’s so inherently racist. Can’t get over it… It’s just so cool.”

• Shifting Motives: Speculation abounds about the sincerity and manipulation in Owens’ “friendship” with Kirk, with observations on mutual brand management.

  • Key Quote – Candace Owens [15:48]:
    “Looking back at too many photos with Charlie... He always had my back and I always had his.”
  • Discussion – Julian Feeld & Liv Akar [17:12–17:51]:
    On mining private texts for propaganda: “It’s absurd and parasitic... The whole right-wing media ecosystem just thinks this way. To use my loved one’s death as propaganda, and subsequently, to better my own status, is... what you do.”

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3. Conspiracy Construction: Dreams, QAnon Tropes & Candace's "Investigations"

21:09–36:42

• Conspiratorial Evolution: Candace’s narrative spirals from implicating a transgender roommate to Israel, to CIA handlers and apocalyptic spiritual warfare—all fueled by old texts and her own vivid dreams.

  • Key Quote – Candace Owens [22:25]:
    “Had a vivid dream this weekend—Charlie came to me and told me he was betrayed... It is soon going to be revealed... It’s going to have international consequences.”
  • Mockery – Hosts [23:09]:
    “I was in this strange room with a red curtain. Charlie whispered the name of his killer in my ear, but I didn’t hear it.”

• Project Looking Glass & Time Travel Claims: Owens asserts that Kirk believed himself to be a time traveler, reading old messages as esoteric prophecy.

  • Quote – Candace Owens [27:46]:
    “Charlie Kirk thought he was a time traveler. He told me he was a time traveler repeatedly. I showed you that text.”

• Charlie's "X-Men" Destiny: Owens weaves Kirk’s school history, security concerns, and even malfunctioning street lights into paranoid mythos about deep-state surveillance and ancient Sumerian devices.

  • Quote – Candace Owens [32:20]:
    “They stole a device from the ancient Sumerian civilization... incorporated it into a computer... able to predict future outcomes.”

• Analysis – Travis & Liv: The hosts draw parallels to QAnon and theosophical elevation of leaders as “ascended masters,” noting the emotional, non-rational loop of these narratives.

  • Quote – Travis View [34:11]:
    “There is this kind of Übermensch aspect... She talks about him in the way theosophists talk about ascended masters.”

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4. The "Bride of Charlie"—Owens’ Crusade Against Erica Kirk

45:52–59:16

Introduction of "Bride of Charlie"

• Owens’ latest content marathon sets its target on Erica Kirk, constructing sprawling allegations (seven 1-hour episodes) about her background, family, finances, and connections to shadowy cabals.
  • Overview – Travis View [46:17]:
    “[Owens] opens with an investigation into whether Erica’s public story is truthful... then moves into a broader web of insinuations involving elite family lineages, occult ideas, LLCs, and financial irregularities...”

Infinite Gossip Machine

• The hosts describe Owens’ technique as an “infinite content glitch”:
  • Owens claims someone is “hiding something,” then digs for inconsistencies, uses minor factual gaps as proof, and constantly moves the bar to keep the story alive.
  • Quote – Travis View [47:22]:
    “She settles on a target... asserts they’re hiding something, then proceeds to dig into their past... This is effective at generating hours and hours of video content.”

Petty "Investigations"

• Examples of Owens’ tactics:

  • Accusing Erica of falsifying her upbringing (confusing “raised by mother” with “father wasn’t fully absent”).

  • Parsing birthdate discrepancies and supposed ties to Dr. John Money through distant family associations.

  • Quote – Candace Owens [53:49]:
    “Dr. Jerry Franz Fay... was friends and colleagues with Dr. John Money, the psychologist who... abused children.”

  • Alleging CIA/military/Freemason influence based on a school principal’s father’s affiliations.

  Hosts highlight the non-sequitur and gossipy nature of these claims, with Julian quipping [58:21]:
  “It must be so cool to do research for Candace—you can just absolutely string together a bunch of turds and just hand them to her like it’s a pearl necklace.”

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5. Conservative Backlash: Sacred Cows and Hypocrisy

63:01–68:47

• Crossing the Line: Other right-wing figures and conspiracy theorists respond with horror at Owens’ targeting of "one of their own":

  • Quote – Dinesh D’Souza [63:54]:
    “These are not investigations. They’re just wild allegations... that never produce a single fact, a single reliable theory that you can work with.”
  • Quote – Alex Jones [65:08]:
    “Candace Owens is the new queen of black-pilled Q... I dub her the queen of Dark Q... Go look into it—easily verifiable horseshit.”

• Infighting as Spectacle: The hosts delight in the spectacle of right-wing power players being hoisted by their own propaganda methods.

  • Quote – Julian Feeld [69:08]:
    “The moment someone does everything Daily Wire taught Candace Owens how to do… and all these tactics and the suspicion and this paranoia [are] directed at someone they like, all of a sudden it is an explosive controversy.”

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6. Analysis: Conspiracy as Gossip & Infinite Content

69:57–70:32

• Cumulative Paranoia: Travis explains how Owens transforms scattered "wrinkles" (odd tidbits, missing records, uncanny connections) into an aura of suspicion—with no actual thesis or endpoint.

  • Quote – Travis View [69:57]:
    “She feeds her audience what she calls wrinkles... a strange date, a missing record, a school name that’s suspicious... Their function is cumulative... they create a feeling that the official story is rotten.”

• Gossip as Politics: Liv identifies the conflation of conspiracy and gossip as core to this phenomenon—audiences are taught their curiosity is activism.

  • Quote – Liv Akar [70:32]:
    “It’s just a gossip column... but with the force of conspiracy theories... It’s like, I’m actually uncovering the truth by looking into Erica Kirk’s drama when she was a teenager.”

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7. Notable Moments and Memorable Quotes

Dream Visits & Lynchian Surrealism

• “I had this dream. I was in this strange room. It had a red curtain. Charlie Kirk whispered the name of his killer in my ear, but I didn’t hear it.”
  – Liv Akar, mocking Owens’ dream-based investigations [23:09]

Time-Travel Delusions

• “Charlie Kirk thought he was a time traveler. He told me he was a time traveler repeatedly.”
  – Candace Owens [27:46]

X-Men Paranoia

• “They sent him to this X-Men school... he was an X-Men. I am of the opinion... his test scores... he was off the charts.”
  – Candace Owens [29:29–30:33]

"Bride of Charlie"

• “This consists of 7 hour long episodes about Erica Kirk so far.”
  – Travis View [46:23]

Right-Wing Self-Destruction

• “It’s like this exposed how the whole... conspiracist conservative media ecosystem works... The moment the suspicion and this paranoia is directed at someone they like, all of a sudden it is an explosive controversy.”
  – Julian Feeld [69:08]

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8. Key Timestamps

• 04:02: Travis introduces the schism caused by Owens targeting right-wing figures.
• 07:06–14:02: Liv recounts the Owens–Kirk backstory and retroactively manufactured friendship.
• 21:09–31:04: “Dream revelations,” time travel, and paranormal myth-making.
• 45:52–59:56: Bride of Charlie deep dive—Owens’ relentless, tangential “investigation” into Erica Kirk and her background.
• 63:54–65:08: Dinesh D'Souza and Alex Jones’ surprisingly critical pushback.
• 69:57–70:32: The meta-discussion on conspiracy, gossip, and the right-wing influencer economy.

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9. Concluding Analysis

The hosts conclude that Candace Owens’ trajectory encapsulates the pitfalls of an outrage- and narrative-fueled media ecosystem. Her ability to repurpose conspiracist tropes and tabloid techniques into an infinite content loop demonstrates the vulnerability and hollowness at the core of modern right-wing media, especially as targets move from “the enemy” to “one of us.” The episode closes with sharp observations on gossip as weaponized politics and a few final playful jabs at conspiracy tropes.

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Further Memorable Exchanges

• “Do not memorialize me when I die using Sumerian technology in your explanation.”
  – Julian Feeld [33:21]

• “She’s gossiping, with the force of conspiracy theories... so convincing people it’s political.”
  – Liv Akar [70:32]

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For listeners, this episode offers an incisive, irreverent tour through the surreal, self-consuming drama of today’s right-wing conspiracy landscape, with Candace Owens as chaotic anti-hero and unreliable narrator of her own myth.

Transcript

[Candace Owens]

Sa,

[Julian Field]

If you're hearing this, well done. You found a way to connect to the Internet. Welcome to the qaa podcast, episode 364. Candace Owens, right wing ronin, as always. We are your hosts, Julian Field, Liv

[Travis View]

Akar and Travis View. Liv, Julian, it's a pleasure podcasting with you again. How are you doing? Before we talk about this lunatic, we doing good?

[Julian Field]

You know, I am doing good, Travis. You know, I've been through some turbulence lately, and I have seen some people reach out, and I just want to let you all know that I am doing just fine. I'm feeling healthy and sturdy and I'm back. But I will say that I'm doing good. But I'd be doing more good if you signed up for our Premium [e-mail]

[Liv Akar]

But Julian, why would people do that?

[Julian Field]

Interesting that you would bring that up, Liv. QAA is totally editorially independent and you know, we try to bring in depth research, high production value. We're not affiliated with any corporations and we've never run a single ad. And that's because the literally listener is so kind and they react very well to being guilted into doing stuff. And as such, hopefully what they're doing right now is that they're subscribing for five bucks a month and in exchange, getting access to past episodes that are in our premium archive as well as our main archive. That's a second episode every single week on top of the free one. And I will add that you will make me happy. And it's a bit like a fairy, you know, you gotta clap so. So that I stay alive. And by clap, I mean put your credit card information in at patreon.comqaa I know that a lot of you have already done that. Sorry for that. But hey, at least you're not listening to like a fucking my pillow ad or some shit like that. At least we're kind. Liv, how are you doing, though?

[Liv Akar]

I'm doing good. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, no, she's doing terrible, folks. It's not good. It's not good, but we're working through it. And I've been happy to focus on some batshit insane women on the Internet and her, like, bizarre relationship with the guy who got. Who got cooked a couple months ago.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. No matter how much interpersonal drama you're experiencing, it is not on Candace Owens level. So you can kind of stand next to her and look like everything's fine. And we hope you do the same listener. Travis, how are you doing?

[Travis View]

I'm doing wonderfully. Actually, it's a nice day. It's getting a little warm here in Southern California. I'm told that we're going to start getting some real scenes. Serious heat. So, yeah, I'm enjoying what it is now before it gets intolerable.

[Julian Field]

The hottest March in history in California. Oh, boy. Can we. Can we ascribe that to anything bad? I'm sure we can't. It's just summer and we're having a great time in March.

[Liv Akar]

A large, let's say, a worldwide increase in temperature. We could call it a global scale, maybe. It's hard to say.

[Julian Field]

And Corey, our producer, is the fourth on this call and just not if everything's okay, Corey, you can shake your head too, but then you'd have to do sign language and stuff like that, so.

[Liv Akar]

He's crying, he is weeping.

[Julian Field]

He's weeping because Jake is not on this recording.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, it's all out of balance. The person who does the intro is adhered. We were waiting for like 20 seconds and Julian was like, oh, fuck, I have to be the one who starts it.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Corey Klotz has pulled out half of his hair and it's because he has an umbilical relationship with Jake.

[Liv Akar]

As we do. We all.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, as we all do. All right, well, Travis, take us away.

[Travis View]

In right wing conspiracist media, all tactics are on the table for both audiences and creators in the space. Innuendo, suggestions of criminal activity, specious connections are all treated as acceptable tactics. They imagine themselves to have goals that are more pressing and more noble than abstract virtues like fairness or perfect accuracy. What exactly is the point of being correct if your enemies are in power? However, an unspoken rule is that not all targets are on the table. Some people are fair game and some are not. It's a violation of this rule that has led Candace Owens to open a rift within the very conservative media ecosystem that once catapulted her to stardom. Rather than the typical targets, Owens has directed her style of pseudo investigation towards Erica Kirk, the widow of assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk, who took over as the CEO of Turning Point usa. This has led some right wing pundits to push back in the more forceful language they can muster. Like, for example, ex Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino. F you go yourself, you demonic scum. And I'm sorry if the language distracts from you, but I can think of no other New York way to say it than you motherfucker. You deserve to feel the little licks of the flames of hell on every inch of your Body.

[Julian Field]

This is crazy because it's actually how I flirt. I always tell people, you know, my little licks of flame are going to be all over that body.

[Liv Akar]

You deserve my little licks.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, you deserve my little licks. What does he say? Why is he saying, like, sorry for distracting from you. What? I don't think none of these people could speak properly.

[Liv Akar]

It's a podcast or presidency and none of them can finish a fucking sentence.

[Julian Field]

Imagine like if fucking, you know, like the last FBI deputy director, like, quit his job and just was directly back on a podcast as being Alex Jones, essentially, like you, you demonic scum is like kind of vintage Alex Jones type talking. It's really a beautiful world we live in.

[Travis View]

You know, I'm really fascinated by this development because it's the exact opposite of what many assumed the consequences of Charlie Kirk's death would be like. Kirk's death has not been a unifying event for conservative media or conservatives generally. It seems to be one of the biggest sources of intramural conflict. So for today's episode, I'm going to unpack the conspiracy theories about Erica Kirk that have caused Bongino to wish hellfire upon his enem enemies and how Owen's one time boosters are contending with the monster they created.

[Julian Field]

It's so incredible, truly, to see them go to war with each other over this stuff, because for a brief moment, it seemed like they had found a kind of sainted figure that they could all kind of rally around. And now it's just fucking cat fight central, man. Everybody's, in fact, cat turd is involved.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, Trump 2 influencers are fighting more than like left influencers during Trump 1. Remember all those stupid dramas between like podcasts, like, and they actually have power as well, so they just like, can't decide what to do with it.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, this is like when I threatened to Everybody on the E1 podcast and their families. You know, it's. It wasn't. It wasn't right, and I apologize.

[Travis View]

But I will say that Owen's fixation with Erica Kirk makes one wonder what was really going on between Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens. Like, really? Fortunately, Owens has leaked a lot of personal text messages between her and Kirk, and Liv has read many of them is going to tell us what they might reveal about their relationship.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, in the past, you'd have like a horse carrying these types of messages across the country to deliver lengthy notes of longing. But now what we have is really cunty tweets. So congratulations, everybody. We made a worse world than our ancestors.

[Eric Bolling]

Had.

[Julian Field]

Except for all the, you know, racial stuff and colonization and. But yeah,

[Liv Akar]

folks, it's really a tale as old as time. Your work wife starts to get a bit too strong feelings for you. Then years after you had to fire her for offensive comments, she goes down a really weird rabbit hol about the first lady of France actually being transgender. Then after you distance yourself from this work wife, you're assassinated in one of the most talked about events of the year. Then afterwards, your now former work wife publicly leaks a decade of text messages to construct a narrative about your real wife actually being responsible. And also that you're a literal time traveler who can speak to her in dreams.

[Julian Field]

Cool.

[Liv Akar]

And of course, by a tale as old as time, I mean a tale as old as David Lynch's professional career. But while Candace Owens seems to think of Charlie Kirk as a Laura Palmer esque figure, what did their relationship actually look like? On this segment, I'll go into what little bits of Internet gossip I've recovered, both from Owens own show as well as elsewhere, to piece together the possibly most Lynchian gossip column anyone has ever created.

[Julian Field]

You know, I actually like this metaphor, Liv, because it means that, like, Charlie Kirk was working at a brothel, as in supporting Israel. And then when he decided that maybe he didn't want to work at that brothel anymore, they killed him.

[Liv Akar]

They slabbed it.

[Travis View]

Twin curse.

[Liv Akar]

Charlie Cook and Candace Owens appear to have met at a Conservative conference in 2017. As Owens says herself in a 2025 video shortly after Charlie's death.

[Candace Owens]

Yes, he was ambitious. Everybody knows Charlie's ambitious. I met him back in 2017 when Turning Point was this very young organization. Nobody knew who I was. Nobody knew who Charlie Kirk was. And Charlie was always wearing these really baggy suits. I mean, they looked like they were hand me downs from three generations. Because he was focused on the ideas. He didn't care about his appear. He was laser focused on what he knew Turning Point could become. Not could become, but would become. He hired me on the spot. We were at this conference in Florida, and he and I used to always say, we never said the rest. The rest was history. You know, the rest is history. We say the rest is future. We were totally locked in.

[Liv Akar]

It sounds like a fucking wedding vow. Do you know what I mean? Like, she's quite fond of him.

[Julian Field]

His fits were horrible. He really dressed like shit. He had no swag. That's because he cared so much.

[Liv Akar]

Owens had been hired as TPUSA's director of urban Engagement.

[Julian Field]

That's so inherently racist. Yeah, like, cannot get over it. I remember researching and finding that. It's like, it's just so cool.

[Liv Akar]

And this was directly after the organization had been under hot water as a result of accusations of racial bias. To quote from a December 2017 New Yorker article by Jane Mayer, Gabrielle Fakir,

[Julian Field]

a former Turning Point employee, told me that she was the only. Only African American hired as a field director when she worked with the group three years ago. In looking back, I think it was racist, she said. At the time. I was blaming myself and I thought I did something wrong. Fakier, who now works as a model, recalled that the young black recruits that she brought into the organization suddenly found themselves disinvited from the group's annual student summit, and that when she herself attended, she watched speakers there who, quote, spoke badly about black women having all these babies out of wedlock. It was really offensive. Kirk, through a spokesman, denied that any such incidents occurred and said, quote, these accusations are absolutely baseless and even absurd,

[Liv Akar]

which, like, it's awesome. Like, Charlie Kirk sees, like, a black woman at a conference. Like, hey, we need one of these.

[Julian Field]

Like, yeah, stick with the welfare queen claims. Like, that's. That's above board. Don't start saying that we have a bunch of babies.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, it's, you know, it's. It's leopards eating people's faces. You know, what do you expect?

[Julian Field]

Yeah, it is bad. And I do, I do think there's something to the fact that, like, the only, like, properly visible women in right wing, like, online media are at each other's throats. Like, this is, I think, a natural result of the fact that, like, if you talk back a little too hard to a guy, you're probably gonna, you know, get horribly abused. And so to keep this notion that the right wing cares about you and specifically cares about black women, it's much easier to just go for, you know, the white girl.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. Katniss being hired in this way really, I think, does define her relationship not just to tpusa, but, like, a lot of how she got her start as a right wing influencer and kind of, you know, political agitator, etc. She's moved on to bigger and better things, like calling Macron's wife, like, a Jewish transgender. But this is really like, like you just really using her identity as a cudgel. She was just really had no problem with that. Around the time of hiring, Candace made a video about her experiences coming out to her parents as conservative when she was younger. The story didn't quite match her digital footprint, and Less than two years before this, she was writing articles speculating about Trump's penis size being small and rejoicing at the possibility of the Tea Party dying off on the anti Conservative website Degree 180.

[Julian Field]

I feel like instead of, like, telling your kid that he has to leave because, you know, he or she is like, lgbtq, we should start doing that. But for your kids coming out as conservative, like, I'm sorry, get out of this house.

[Liv Akar]

Owens would only actually have a professional relationship with Kirk for two years, and she left TP USA as their communications director in 2019. It's like a bit of an upgrade. You know, they were like, okay, you're not just. You're not just the diversity hire. The detail of their personal relationship when Candace was working there was, at the time fairly ambiguous. And I can't really find all that much speculation about it online.

[Julian Field]

I do like the idea that when she ended up working for, like, the Daily Wire, that she tried to build a relationship with Ben Shapiro, but she sent him, like, Nicki Minaj and he was just not. He didn't answer. He just left her on red. Yeah, she switched to Charlie and he was way more receptive.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

And then she's like, actually, I do think the Jews are behind all of this.

[Liv Akar]

But Charlie Crook's assassination in September of 2025 really changed that. For the first few days following his death, Candace seemed to actually take it surprisingly easy as far as right wing influencers go. At least don't get me wrong, she was still definitely milking his death for her own gain, but not in a directly politicized way. I guess you had a lot of these posts by people who were like, you know, like, Matt Walsh being like, this was because of the transgenders. Like, just like, while his body was not cold, which obviously just like, feels horrific about someone you personally knew. But these people are obviously. I mean, Charlie Kirk is a person who would have liked someone to do that about his death as well. So it kind of changes it a little. But Candace was surprisingly reserved about it.

[Julian Field]

You're sainted, but instead of being thrown to the lions, it's because you were thrown to transgender people and they tore you apart.

[Liv Akar]

She made no posts about how it was the evil transgenders and the violent radical left that killed him. Mainly just videos of fond memories Candace had with him when the two worked together. Like dancing to Kanye West's power after Kanye spoke positively of Owens in 2018. They really loved Kanye. They really loved Kanye and Nicki Minaj.

[Liz Crokin]

Oh. Oh, man.

[Julian Field]

She must Be so disappointed in his big, like, I have a brain injury and that's why I have anti Semitic thing that he's been doing.

[Liv Akar]

Or of course the two jamming out to the ignition remix by R. Kelly in a limo.

[Julian Field]

Okay, that's a really great song.

[Liv Akar]

It's a great song, you know.

[Julian Field]

Okay. The driver is just looking forward with like such resignation.

[Liv Akar]

He can quite. You can hear it a little bit. But they're. They're singing along. They're having a great time.

[Julian Field]

Ah, these were the salad days.

[Liv Akar]

In her September 11 stream where she posted these videos. She mainly just spoke very positively of Charlie, remembering her old friend very fondly.

[Julian Field]

Ah, Charlie. He wasn't one of the planes that

[Liv Akar]

hit the buildings that really did soil that. That 9, 11 that year. Like, that was the day. That was the year we all forgot. That was really.

[Julian Field]

Mm. Somebody flew a bullet into a building of a different type. I've been told that I should pull back my rhetoric. It's not going to happen, folks.

[Liv Akar]

Sorry. This one, it's. I will say the Charlie Kirk, they really overplayed their hand conservatives enough that like you, you're not like people don't care anymore. I've been really enjoying people saying low Kirk. Actually like low Kirk instead of low key.

[Julian Field]

That's so. That's six, seven, babe.

[Liv Akar]

So six, seven. But it's pretty clear throughout this dream by Candace that she thinks back to her days working with Charlie very fondly.

[Candace Owens]

Looking back at too many photos. I just have too many photos with Charlie. It's. It really is incredible to see how many times he's just right behind my back. Charlie always had my back and I always had his. Charlie was right by my side when I started Blexit. Obviously he was also there the night that I met my husband, which was absolutely an incredible night. And in the uk, which I didn't expect to happen. And I gotta tell you, initially, Charlie, ever the analytical mind. When I told him, I'm like, oh, I think I'm gonna marry this guy first he's like, wait, wait, wait. Is this gonna be good for your brand? Like, Charlie, this is love. This is not a brand decision. And then he sat down and he spent just one evening with George. And he. Charlie was just the most supportive of everything. And this is our text chain speaking about that moment. He's like, his heart is wonderful. You guys are meant for each other. I see it brilliantly and clearly. And he gets it. He isn't afraid of you being you. And he's been through hell and it was, yeah. Charlie was by my side the day that I got married. Of course he was by my side. You know, when I got married to

[Julian Field]

George, I forgot George exists. I feel kind of bad for him. This very bizarre stuff. I really hope that no matter how many nice things I say to my friends and loved ones, that when I die, that people don't mine our fucking text messages for content.

[Liv Akar]

That is a really important component of this. How, like, absurd and parasitic that is. Like, the whole right wing media, like, ecosystem does just think this way. I think, like, they don't actually, like, it's the same with Erica Kirk, right? Like in her brain, she doesn't understand. She's like, our war is posting. We're trying to do propaganda and like, to use my loved one's death as propaganda and also subsequently, like, to better my own status is just like, of course what you would do. Like, that's what he would want. Like, that's totally fine. It's totally normal.

[Julian Field]

We have a saying here at QAA which is bad for the world. Good for the podcast. I think Candace's is like, bad for the Kirk could further the podcast.

[Liv Akar]

Very bad for the Kirk.

[Travis View]

I mean, yeah, the thing is that, like, if she said that she was getting married and his first response is, will that be good for your brand? Then absolutely. He would want. He would want all of his archives be mined for content. That's all he cares about.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. That's so sweet of him. That's so analytical of him. That's what analysis is.

[Travis View]

Yeah. It's not like sociopathic to think about, to think about your personal brand on the Internet when you're thinking about who you're going to marry.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, he's doing analytical thinking to become the most, like, the most craven propagandist in a field of absolute craven propagandists.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. I mean, even just like, how Cannon Sones was hired, like, it helps contextualize that. Like, of course she doesn't care about that. It's just, it's all about like, one what can make propaganda for your political cause and to, like, how can it further you personally?

[Julian Field]

Blexit. My favorite Mexican restaurant here in la.

[Liv Akar]

Right before this clip, Candace plays a video of her standing in front of a campus protester who's holding a sign that reads, if you aren't wealthy, white and male, Charlie Kirk is not your friend. To which Candace and Kirk gleefully throw their friendship at the protester as a refutation of their argument. If you aren't wealthy, white and male,

[Julian Field]

Charlie Kirk Is not your friend.

[Liv Akar]

What do you think?

[Candace Owens]

My friend anymore?

[Liv Akar]

Are we not friends?

[Candace Owens]

Is that right now a sign outside of a thing, an event that we just did, that you're not my friend?

[Julian Field]

Go figure. Yeah. They say he's not friends with black people. Well, then why is he such a fan of this minstrel show?

[Liv Akar]

Candace remembers this gleefully, of course, as one piece of evidence among many of their very strong bond. Like, she's like, look, there's a video of Charlie Crook calling me, you know, his friend. But I can't help but see that as just kind of sad.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Liv Akar]

Like, this is one case among apparently many where their bond is defined by using Candace's identity as a cudgel against Charlie's political opponents. Something that has now come back for Candace's show as a way of demonstrating how close a friend the two were in a context where being close friends with Charlie is politically advantageous. Like, I'm not even implying that their friendship is insincere. It's just like, this is how these people see the world. Like, they see all of their connections. It's like, how do I. What do I gain out of this, Candace?

[Julian Field]

Will marrying George be good for my brand? I can't help but wonder if they thought there was, like, a will they, won't they thing going on and that. Like, that's what he wanted to hold on to.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, that is funny. You can see there is quite a bit of chemistry. Like, you get, like, old interviews and stuff when they were working together. Like, they clearly are. Like, she's not lying. She's not portraying something in a way that seems inaccurate, at least in terms of how close they were at the time.

[Julian Field]

He's always behind me is an incredibly creepy statement, basically saying that Charlie Kirk is the it follows demon.

[Liv Akar]

I guess the fact that Candace Owens didn't immediately weaponize Charlie Crook's death to further her political aims, she waited a couple weeks, maybe was a very strong sign of fondness, something unique to Owens and Kirk's relationship among basically all those who knew Kirk on a professional basis. In a vague tweet Candace made a few days after his death, she claimed that the truth would be revealed and that people responsible would be held accountable. But in a reply, she noted that she needed at least a week to grieve in order to start talking about it.

[Julian Field]

Dude, she needs a week to find a talking point. That's awesome. I need to do some research on how I can exploit this, you know, in the maximum way.

[Travis View]

Listen, I need time to get together with my team to come up with a narrative.

[Liv Akar]

As you are all very likely aware, Candace Owens has talked about it a lot. She really hasn't stopped talking about it.

[Julian Field]

No.

[Liv Akar]

And as we will see to the extreme detriment of those around Charlie, this segment will delve particularly deeply into the elaborate Israeli Egyptian grassy knoll conspiracy theories that Owens has been cooking up in recent months. Outside of evidence for those theories that oddly enough, Candace has been sourcing directly from the many text messages the two have sent between 2017 and 20. Initially, it seems like Owens focused on the transgender roommate girlfriend of the killer as a source of the baking. Then for a few months she pivoted towards Israel being the main culprit, then slowly dragged more and more agents into this conspiracy, such as local and state government as well as the FBI. At some point, Candice has also claimed that both her and Charlie have had secret CIA handlers that they both weren't aware of.

[Julian Field]

The FBI was right wing. Like that's. It was supposed to be cleansed, but I guess there must be, you know, some people inside there that are meeting in a separate room that wanted to do this.

[Liv Akar]

You can't. You have to keep cleansing. That's, that's the motto of any, any normal good ideology is you've cleansed once. That's not enough. You get to keep cleansing.

[Julian Field]

Now, what if the purge was every day?

[Liv Akar]

One important source for this paranoia, outside of personal text messages from nine years ago, was also Candace Owens own dreams. Like in October when she claimed this,

[Candace Owens]

like I just said, had a vivid dream this weekend and Charlie came to me and he told me that he was betrayed. And so for me, you don't have to believe that, but I do believe that. And it was the immediate sense I got, actually. And I don't know who exactly it is that betrayed him, but I also felt in the dream that it is soon going to be revealed that it's actually inevitable that it is going to be revealed that there is nothing and no one that is going to stop the truth from coming out. And it is going to have international consequences. Take that to the bank. Quote me on that.

[Julian Field]

I think that most people on an international level do not know who Charlie Kirk is, do they?

[Liv Akar]

I feel like I was. I was maybe Anglo sphere. They do.

[Julian Field]

And then outside, I mean, they're just like the neck guy.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, yeah, I was. I had this dream. I was in this strange room. It had a red curtain. Charlie Kirk whispered the name of his killer in my ear, but I didn't Hear it.

[Julian Field]

Candace outwins. I have visited you to tell you the truth about Israel.

[Liv Akar]

In early January, Kanis would also use dream interpretation to find a connection between certain members of tpusa and Kirk's death. In her live show, Kanice details a dream she supposedly had of her 2019 trip to Israel with Kirk that went slightly differently than it had in real life.

[Candace Owens]

The setting of this particular dream, however, had one dramatic difference. We were not there for the opening of the embassy. And this difference, by the way, I don't really understand yet. I'm just sharing it with you. Instead, we were there in this dream setting for Bibi Netanyahu's wife's funeral. Again, that makes entirely no sense. I've never met his wife. I've never spoken about his wife. I know nothing about his wife. So that's just the context of it. I don't make the rules of Dreamworld. And obviously, as we were sitting there, it didn't strike me as weird, because when you're in your dream state, everything that happens for some reason feels like, oh, yeah, this is totally normal. Anyway, Charlie said to me, I don't have much time. He followed that up, explaining to me that I needed to see what happened on his left. And he told me explicitly, they betrayed me. Multiple people. And I said, I know, but who? Then came the frustrating part of the dream. Every time I would say, who? You know when you're in a dream and you go, who? Or you try to speak in the dream, and then suddenly you're actually speaking in real life, and you start to wake yourself up from the dream by accident, that's what kept happening. And when I. Whenever I would try to listen to what he was saying, it sounded like he was all underwater. So I was frustrated by this. I can't get to the part where you tell me who betrayed you. It wasn't until the third week after his death that finally one face came through in this dream. It came through as clear as day from around the corner of the restaurant, and it was Andrew Colvett's.

[Julian Field]

Who the fuck is that?

[Liv Akar]

Colvett is the executive producer of tpusa, who I would imagine was not especially happy about Owen's Lynchian method of gaining the truth about the death of an individual he had worked with for years. Yet in true Lynchian manner, Candace has also become convinced that Charlie had some sort of special gift of foresight. And I predicted his death multiple times, one of which was allegedly right before he was killed.

[Candace Owens]

One more thing. Rather explosively, three people told Me off record, two people who have this in a written communication from Charlie, one who is a Turning Point USA donor and I would say very much one of the white knights in this. The very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed. He told these people, I think they're going to kill me. Okay. He did not express that to me. So I am telling you this based off the testimony of three people. And I am saying this because I hope that these people who I think are good will be inspired to come forward with that. Again, those conversations I had were off record. I honor that. If I say it's off record, it stays off record. But I'm hoping that watching what I am doing and feeling the energy that is rising across the world for people who want to know what the heck happened on 9 10, that you know, they will be brave and they will say, yeah, Charlie did the day before he died, think that he was gonna be killed and maybe tell us who is they? For once and for all, who is they? Who is the they that he thought was were going to kill him?

[Julian Field]

That would hit a lot harder if she hadn't been doing like the most esoteric anti Semitism leading up to this.

[Liv Akar]

There's also a couple text messages she makes as well that like, you know, Charlie had this foresight of like, he knew he was going to die young. So it's like, well, what did he know? He like had dreams about it.

[Julian Field]

Well, he was tall, so it's like big dogs, you know, they have like a shorter span.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, the heart beats faster. Yeah. But Owens would top herself again in a stream later that month on January 14, which was titled Project Looking Glass, a reference to a conspiracy about CIA technology that has the capacity to alter the future.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, we've covered that many times on the podcast. This is incredible. Pure QAnon stuff. We love it.

[Liv Akar]

Oh, yeah, but instead of QAnon, instead of like baking Trump tweets, it's baking your friends text messages from 10 years ago. Your ex coworker.

[Julian Field]

God, she must have spent so much time scrolling. I know those text messages. Finding all this stuff while her husband's like, are you even paying attention to the movie? Because you're the one who put this one on.

[Liv Akar]

In this episode of Kenneth Sohan's live show, she looks at some of her almost decade old text messages with her work husband through a different lens. In particular, how these at the time, seemingly innocuous messages were actually connected to a much bigger spiritual battle between good and evil, which eventually would lead Kirk to get killed and also demonstrates that he was supernaturally special in some important way.

[Candace Owens]

The first thing that I want to remind you guys is exactly what I said at the top of the show. It is an absolute fact that Charlie Kirk thought that he was a time traveler. He told me he was a time traveler repeatedly. I showed you guys that text message exchange. I said to him in response that I didn't feel the same way and that I thought I was from another planet, that I was an alien my entire life. Just do not get it here. This planet is ghetto. That's how I feel. I don't understand it. The rules don't make sense. I think that's also why I like cats so much. I feel that they can relate to that. They think humanity is ghetto. They don't want to be around us. They don't like us. They act. They know it's ghetto. It is ghetto here. Right?

[Julian Field]

I just.

[Travis View]

I mean, I also kind of feel like Candace Owens has, like, the easiest job in media. She's sitting up there, she's talking about her dreams and her text messages. Like, anyone could just ramble on about these kinds of things.

[Julian Field]

She is like a Victorian wife. Like, she just kind of trips out most of the day and, like, maybe eventually tries lauding them. I also like the idea that, like, Charlie Kirk was a time traveler, but he went back to fight other time travelers and saved baby Hitler.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. Now, Candace, as far as I can tell, has never actually directly posted this specific message chain, only reading off it. But in it, she calls herself an alien and Charlie calls himself a time traveler. I believe there's a robot emoji that's posted.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. They're just kidding around, Candace. Like, he didn't expect that you would have latent schizophrenia.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. This is not the only crazy bake contained in this episode. Almost immediately after this, Candace Owens continues baking her dead friends, ex coworkers, texts like they're Q drops. This one in relation to a text Charlie sent about being annoyed that he had to deal with security.

[Julian Field]

Forward to our Kiki babe. What did he mean thinking about that?

[Candace Owens]

The security, him texting, saying, I'm not allowed to go anywhere. I feel so important. I think was the exact message that, to me, is objectively weird in retrospect. Wasn't weird at the time. It's weird now. And it makes me think that Charlie may have been marked since he was a child. We've discussed these gate programs that they have in school, and I just think on the basis of what he Told me that when he was really young, they wanted to drug him, but his mother said no, and he was really grateful for that. And instead they decided that they could send him to this X Men school. That's the best way I can describe it. I would certainly, by the way, for you Internet sleuths, I'd like to find out which school Charlie had to attend. So he was pulled out of the regular school he was attending and he had to go to some special school for the gifted. Like he was an X Men. And I am of the opinion. It's the opinion. I'm allowed to have it. It's obviously not a fact, but I am of the opinion, based on the discussions I had with him, that he's been monitored since, that his test scores, whatever the score, every test they probably did on him, he was off the charts. And they wanted to make sure that he was being watched.

[Julian Field]

That's amazing. His superpower. He could grow his gums at will. Demented stuff. She's absolutely out of her fucking mind.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, it's like she has, like, some, like, schizoaffective symptoms or something. Like, it's like there's something clinical. Like, if a therapist heard this, they would be worried. They would be concerned.

[Julian Field]

Truly bizarre stuff.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. That comes from a text that he felt like his security was kind of managing him and handling him in a way that was annoying. Of like, oh, did he know that they were in a secret plot to kill him?

[Julian Field]

You know how at the end of the wretched of the Earth, Fanon just does different kind of psychiatric evaluations of people. I would kill to add, Candace, we need to bring him back just for that.

[Liv Akar]

It's like. Yeah, it's right at the end. It's like, evaluation of the French torturer who was, like, putting hooking up car batteries to FLN freedom fighters. And then. Candace Owens.

[Julian Field]

Yes.

[Liv Akar]

Gate, if you're unaware, stands for gifted and talented Education is a program to identify kids that excel at education and accelerate their learning. So she's using that as evidence, among other, you know, obscure, innocuous text messages to show that Charlie truly did understand his fate at some level. But she continues.

[Candace Owens]

And a lot of weird things used to happen to Charlie. He would go on runs. I think I told you guys this after sundown. And when he was running, street lights would go out. Like, it was like he was a burst of energy. Like he was a lightning bolt or something.

[Julian Field]

So what? What the fuck? Oh, my God. She claims that, like, they tried to drug him as a kid. Like this guy was basically one SSRI treatment away from, like, us having a better world and him probably being alive.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. Candace seems to have this, like, the shining esque image of Charlie. There's this gifted individual, and a collection of dark, malevolent forces have been working against him in order to eliminate him. But she knows exactly what the evil CIA Deep State did in order to snuff Charlie's flame.

[Candace Owens]

Anyways, they have a knack for murder. They have a knack for theft. And this time, just like a lot of times before, they stole a device from the ancient Sumerian civilization that's located in modern. Modern day Iraq. A very advanced civilization. They're obsessed also with Egyptian civilization. As we discussed yesterday, the Satanists kind of taking and reintroducing these things. First they keep them to themselves, they hoard these things, and then they kind of give us certain aspects of technology as time goes on. So they steal this piece of technology and they incorporate it into a computer, and suddenly they're apparently able to predict future outcomes.

[Julian Field]

I. This just gets so dense. This video is like a gish gallop of some of the wildest claims I've ever heard. She lives in an alternate universe.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. That is the odd thing is, like, a lot of it's quite confused and kind of jumbled together. Like, she's not even good at presenting the information, particularly, like, she's not good at what she does. It's not like she's just insane.

[Julian Field]

Do not memorialize me when I die with using Sumerian technology in your explanation.

[Liv Akar]

This is slightly unrelated to the text messages this little bit, but I just thought it was too good to not include it is she's clearly deeply invested in Charlotte at, like, an emotional level. And that's a part of, like, the profoundly sad feeling she feels likely for him when he died. Like, she's just kind of converting it into, like, it needs to be a part of the combat the way that I'm fighting against the evil forces that must have killed him. It's an odd mirror to Erica Kirk, I think, who I think probably is doing that in her own way of I need to just get a bunch of clout and make TPUSA even bigger because it's what he would have wanted. It's just these people have just deeply damaged, distorted images of how to honor a person's memory, what it means to live a good life, and subsequently what it means to honor someone after they've died. And this is just. They're doing that.

[Travis View]

I think there is this kind of ubermesh kind of aspect to it. It's like, no, he was not a mere man. Reality is bent around him like they're like malevolent forces that hide in the shadows. Tried to stop him. The very lights, you know, sort of like, shut off as he ran through the streets. He was. He was, you know, incomprehensibly good. This is like how. This is how she, you know, memorialize and celebrate some by making him into a, like you. Like some sort of X man. I guess.

[Julian Field]

When I think of Charlie, I can't help but think of the ancient city state of Uruk, where he would walk in robes and take in Sumerian technology. Too bad he wasn't allowed access to the knowledge of the device because it could have changed the world.

[Liv Akar]

My favorite Charlie Kirk memory of his was when he stared at me and then spoke in a dead language that had never been known for thousands of years.

[Julian Field]

He was saying something in Aramaic. I don't know what it was.

[Travis View]

She does talk about him in the same way that theosophists talk about ascended masters. Like these. This population of people that are above us can do alchemy and things that are beyond our comprehension.

[Julian Field]

Charlie St. Germain Kirk.

[Liv Akar]

Then, of course, Candice believes that they, you know, CIA, Deep State evil, use this Sumerian device to find and eliminate Charlie Kirk.

[Julian Field]

They're calling it the Stargate.

[Candace Owens]

And that's why they had him marked and had him monitored and had him likely followed since he was young. And maybe they thought, like the agents think, that if they swarmed him and they stayed with him and they pretended to be his friend, that ultimately they could control Charlie and perhaps change an outcome. They could literally change an outcome related to Charlie. So when, for the first time in his life, because I do believe he was managed. I mean, I've already said I was handled. I didn't recognize that I had agents.

[Julian Field]

Oh, God. To achieve this without methamphetamine is a feat.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, no, it's. I mean, you can see why a lot of people have baked that they had some sort of romantic feelings for each other, at the very least. Some have claimed fair because she is, like. She is odd. She's oddly obsessed with not only Charlie, but, like, the people around Charlie Kirk and anger with them. And, like, I think a part of, like, how they. How they separated their professional career also contextualizes this more.

[Julian Field]

I just wonder what, like, ancient racist who funds TP USA told him to not have a black wife? Because I think there's an alternate universe here.

[Liv Akar]

Yes. Yeah. Where he isn't given a wife a Trump world wife.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Liv Akar]

Candace certainly tells a story of these two being quite close, even after they parted ways following Candace's resignation from tpusa. But even her departure itself was fraught with controversy. While Candice has gotten a lot more attention in recent years for the insane shit that she's been saying, it's been a mainstay of a lot of her rhetoric for a while, including in December of 2018 when she said this at the launch of an event for tpusa Britain, directly after Charlie Kirk hands her a microphone.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, I agree. I actually don't have any problems at all with the word nationalism. I think that it gets. The definition, gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. So when you think about. Whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a National Socialist. But if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine. The problem is that he wanted. He had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. That's not. To me, that's not nationalism. So in thinking about how it could go bad down the line, I don't really. I don't really have an issue with nationalism. I really don't. I think that it's okay. It's important to retain your country's identity and to make sure that what's happening here, which I think is incredibly worrisome in terms of just the. The decrease in the birth rate that we're seeing in the UK is what you kind of want to avoid. So I'm not. I don't have anything problem. I have no problems with nationalism. It's globalism that I try to avoid this.

[Julian Field]

But she's correct, and she's talking about, like, the freedom movements and Third Worldism. It's just so almost there, and you just cannot pick up the right books. Instead, you're picking up the protocols.

[Liv Akar]

Like, the nationalism of the global proletariat is what we need.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of freedom movements were nationalist movements, like, trying to unite, you know, tribes so that they could fight off colonialism. I mean, there is an argument for nationalism, and it is not this.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. I mean, it's just also. She's like a profoundly stupid person. Like, in case you, like, there's always,

[Julian Field]

you know, I guess that's. That is just simply true.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. Like, globalism is when you want your country to have more control over other countries because it's around the globe.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Liv Akar]

My favorite bit about this clip is when Charlie Kirk wanders slightly into frame at the end. You can see. I mean, I don't know if I'm doing begging here, but he's not especially fond of what she just said.

[Travis View]

No, no, no. He's very uncomfor and he has no quite know what to do. He's very. He's obviously much savvier than she is. She's not like, oh, this is like, this is sort of an uncomfortable thing.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. This is like speech at the wedding and you've drank a little too much. Someone else is wandering up to you slowly sauntering over. He's always behind me. I don't know. And I'm just saying stuff.

[Liv Akar]

She would eventually have to resign from the organization half a year later because of internal backlash. This is not exactly the best way to maintain a friendship. Candace says that the two were close throughout this and afterwards. And there are certainly text messages that she's posted in recent years that imply the two are at the very least not on bad terms, even if they aren't queening out to Nicki Minaj verses together as they used to be when they were co workers. There's a recent video where someone asked about Candace and Charlie was like, despite all of the terrible evil opinions she has, like, I'm still her friend. You know, I'm allowed to have. You know, the woke wants you to not be able to be friends with people who think that, you know, the Jews run everything. But I'm still gonna do it. But even like, she'll post text messages, she's like, this is one of the recent messages Charlie sent me before he died. And it was from like May, and it's just like one word response, you know, it's a prayer emoji. And it's like, you're so right. So he, like, clearly.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I bet he wasn't a fan of her, like, basically reviving Frank ism as like the source of all evil. I mean, just true madness, you know. And of course, like, we're not arguing here that Zionism doesn't exist. But her argument has nothing to do with opposition to Israel. Like she, she genuinely believes in like a more pure, like, you know, people of a certain blood are the ones running everything.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, it's. It's more of like the kind of paleo con anti Semitism opposition to Israel than it is like a left wing critique of colonialism.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, no, she definitely isn't talking about like settlers and.

[Liv Akar]

No, yeah, it's crazy. Like the problem with Israel is just this like immaterial force of Jewishness that it's responsible for. It's not like a structure that any ethnicity, any group of people could reproduce and use to dominate others.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I mean Israeli propaganda basically worked on her. They were like, if we put the Star of David in the flag, like, you know, people are going to think that like we represent all Jewish people. Which is not the case is it

[Liv Akar]

is hard to hear what Charlie Kirk is kind of saying directly. You can see that there is a distancing, but that Kirk is not publicly ditching Candace Owens. Charlie Kirk was quite a savvy person, relatively speaking. So I'm sure that he just kind of understood that she's just a liability now and like, well, she used to be my work wife. But we do have some indications, some little bits of gossip to kind of push that theory forward or to show that it has some like to stand on at the very least. And of course, Charlie Kirk's camp is obviously not particularly fond of Candace Owens pot stirring. Those close to Charlie obviously had many things to say about their relationship that run counter to Candace's stories. One example from the same month that Kirk got killed comes from Eric Bolling, a Newsmax host with a long history with the organization.

[Eric Bolling]

2011, 2012, 2013. They were tight. They grew TP USA like crazy. I was shocked to see her leave. Until I being part of tpusa, her theories got a little. Just a little bit too down the rabbit hole holes. It was just. It was too extreme for their taste. And Charlie, to his credit, kept a friend, a cordial friendship for her with her for years. But it hasn't been a communication pipeline back and forth between the two for many years. That's why. I don't know why we had we give Candace Owens's assessment any weight at all.

[Travis View]

You're on the board of Turning Point.

[Eric Bolling]

Yeah. Okay. When's the last time you saw Candace Owens in person? Yeah, yeah, 2015. Okay. Yeah.

[Travis View]

When's the last time she was at a Turning Point event?

[Eric Bolling]

Not in many years. Okay, so let's. There's a no at all, no question proof that Candace Owens is nothing has nothing to do. She would be in. In a perfect world if. If they didn't have this. What I already know was a. Is a very quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him. She would be the logical heir to the TP USA throne. But she's and now she's not even invited. Correct. So this is. This is. So their divide is.

[Travis View]

Wait a minute. Not invited, meaning she's not even there?

[Eric Bolling]

Yeah, she's not. She's not one of the names.

[Travis View]

You don't think she'll be at the funeral?

[Eric Bolling]

No, no, no.

[Julian Field]

She doesn't speak at the events anymore.

[Eric Bolling]

I mean, you. Erica. That's a reason.

[Julian Field]

Kirk.

[Eric Bolling]

I mean, what is Erica Kirk's relationship with Candace at this point? Is there a relationship? I don't think so.

[Travis View]

Why.

[Eric Bolling]

Why do you think?

[Julian Field]

Why do you not think so?

[Eric Bolling]

Because I. Because I live in this world. I live in, you know, this world. Tell us. I. I don't see them together. I don't think. I think Kansas has created a lane for herself. That's. It's. It's her own lane. She wants to go after McCrone's husband or wife or whatever you want to call.

[Liv Akar]

That's a good. Like, the Macron's husband comment is a good, like, reference to, like. No, all of these people are batshit insane.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Insane. Truly insane. And also they make me feel like I'm really good at podcasting. They cannot string a sentence together or like. Or like, not yell over each other.

[Liv Akar]

This guy sounds hammered. Like, this is a drunk guy who's just. Yeah, lots of, you know.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. I mean, that is. The MAGA look is, like, just very red guy who's been on a bunch of creatine and then drank, like, for years.

[Liv Akar]

Just the reddest man you've ever seen in your life. Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, this is also a reference to the fact that Owens was not at Charlie Kirk's memorial, to which Owens, I believe, responded, like, I'm afraid of the Fed. Like, there are going to be Feds there. Like, of course I wouldn't go. You can just see, like, this does paint an image of, like, I think a bit more honest than maybe other people in the circle would have said that, like, Owens kind of got cut out of it, that she was too much and that her comments became a liability as she was literally fired for saying Hitler was cool. And you could sense that there's probably some bitterness there that she's still fond of Charlie and Charlie was still cordial with her. You know, this might not necessarily be the full story, but you can see an image forming that's very plausible. That helps kind of explain some of Candace Owens reactions, especially how she's been implicating people in tpusa, then even, obviously, Charlie Kirk's own wife in these conspiracy theories.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. It feels like she's a bit jealous. I mean, first of all, Candace is not someone who's celebrated on the right. She's not spoken fondly of by Trump and Vance, she's not invited to events anymore. And she probably resented Charlie for a while about a lot of this and now is just displacing this and, and this kind of jealousy about her visibility onto, yeah, Charlie Kirk's, I suppose, now ex wife.

[Liv Akar]

All this has fueled a great deal of baking and gossiping about the two Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk's relationship, the degree to which it was romantic, how much of a falling out they had after the two went their separate ways professionally. And perhaps nothing has fueled the speculation more intensely than what Travis will be talking about on the next segment of this podcast, which is Candice's bizarre fixation on Charlie's ex wife, Erica Kirk.

[Julian Field]

I can't stop thinking about that fire tongue. You know, that Bongino is fantasizing about running all over the bodies of his enemies. Travis, do you have any explanation for this?

[Travis View]

Yeah. What really got Bongino like, you know, bringing out his inner Dante was Candace Owens produced a multi part video series called Bride of Charlie.

[Julian Field]

Oh my God. Yeah, but that means Charlie is Chucky. That's she. She is hopeless. She is a true little rascal. She did no good again.

[Travis View]

So this consists of 7 hour long episodes about Erica Kirk so far.

[Liv Akar]

Awesome.

[Julian Field]

It's like a cursed media miniseries.

[Travis View]

There are some real sickos in this world. Millions of sickos who spend hours of their day watching videos about Erica Kirk.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I'd hate to be that.

[Travis View]

Well, I mean. Yeah, you got me there. Now Owens frames the series as an investigation into whether sort of Erica's public story is truthful. And she opens with a complaint that a woman with zero professional qualifications has been elevated to lead a major conservative nonprofit and insisting that something's not right about her. Owen starts with Erica's upbringing, family story, schools and relationships, then moves into a much broader web of insinuations involving elite family lineages, occult ideas, LLCs, and alleged financial irregularities, Romania gambling, military connections, leaked calls, fundraising, and supposed insurance or business motives.

[Julian Field]

Travis bringing us that page 666.

[Travis View]

You know something I realized watching through Candace Owens content is that I think she's kind of discovered an infinite content glitch. So here's how it works. She settles on a target. And I think part of Candace Owens effectiveness is that she picks targets that haven't already been focused on by a conservative media before now. You could, you could Go to, like, hundreds of podcasts or conspiracy blogs that dive into Democratic leaders like Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, or unpack the connections of high powered donors like George Soros or Bill Gates. But Candace instead picks targets like French first lady Bridget Macron, or in this instance, Erica Kirk. Targets where she is for sure gonna be like the first to unspool narratives. And then what she does is that she asserts that they're hiding something or the past about what they claim to be is a lie. You know, their identity is all a facade. And here's the clever part. She proceeds to dig into her subject's past to find information gaps, inconsistencies in the public stories, alleged record anomalies, or suspicious links, which she claims supports her original claim that this person isn't who they say they are. This is effective at generating hours and hours of video content because everyone, even the most open and transparent public figures, have information gaps in the public record about them. But Candace takes the additional step of sometimes asserting that there's missing information about their subject when there isn't. For example, you know, remember Candace Owens claimed that Bridgette Macron was, you know, actually born as her brother and cited as evidence that there's no evidence of Bridgette Macron as a child, even though there are.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, we covered that extensively. One of her many hallucinations.

[Travis View]

So let's talk about what she says about Eric Kirk. Now, I want to be clear. I have no interest in like, defending Erica Kirk generally. I think she's the head of a deeply evil organization that directs tens of millions of dollars every year towards inspiring hate and suspicion towards vulnerable populations. In fact, Erica Kirk herself once called the anti ice protest demonic. But I think this is a good illustration of how Candace Owens operates. In Bride of Charlie, Owens opens with her saying that, you know, it's perfectly legitimate to see if Erica Kirk is honest about who she is.

[Candace Owens]

Okay, you guys, there is a very strange thing happening right now where a young woman with absolutely zero professional qualifications has been inserted at the top of a charity organization that pulled in over a quarter billion dollars last year. And the media is telling you that you have no right to know or to ask anything about her. These talking heads are claiming that the public simply wanting to ensure the person who is running that organization is, I don't know, at a bare minimum, moderately honest about who she says she is. No, that inquiry makes you a monster.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, it's quite smart. Cause it's like, it's kind of weird. Like, I don't know why they did Erica as the head of this. I don't.

[Julian Field]

Because none of it, nobody has any qualifications.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Julian Field]

Charlie doesn't either. I mean, I'm sorry, like they'll elevate anybody. It's just all images on a screen

[Liv Akar]

for them, you know, I mean it's just nepotism.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, they thought they could make him into a saint and so putting his wife there, you know, as like his kind of like stand in, you know, it all makes sense, I guess, strategically. But let me guess, Candace, is she an agent? Are the agents with us in the room?

[Travis View]

Now, some of the accusations that Erica Kirk is being deceptive, I would argue are pretty petty. For example, Owens took issue with a New York Times profile of Erica Kirk in which Erica said that the prospect of raising her three year old daughter and one year old son was actually the least traumatizing thing for her because Erica herself had been raised by her mother after her parents divorced when she was young. Now Candice accuses Erica of falsely claiming that she was raised by a single mother when in fact her father was actually present as a stay at home dad when she was around 4.

[Candace Owens]

Stay at home dad for a couple of years. She remembers it. So I would assume started at four for a couple of years. People don't typically remember being one and two. And now he, he wasn't her life. To be clear, Erica was 10 years old when her parents divorced in 1998. So her father was very much a part of her early childhood and he did not stop being involved in her teenage years either.

[Travis View]

Obviously to say that you were raised by your mother after the divorce doesn't imply that your father was entirely absent.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. That is very petty.

[Travis View]

In another instance, Candace points out that a newspaper birth announcement lists erica's birthday as November 20, 1988. But her parents divorce filing tells a different story.

[Candace Owens]

Point is, we learned from this newspaper clipping that Erica was born on November 20 and she maintains that birthday today. But oddly that would be news to her parents. Kent and Lori, for whatever reason, think that erica was born two days later on November 22nd. We know this because of their divorce filings which took place in 1998.

[Liv Akar]

It goes all the way up to the top on this one.

[Julian Field]

Why are they lying?

[Travis View]

Yeah, there's like one document that has a different date I think could be possibly explained by some sort of clerical error. Yeah, but it's like even if it was true, what was it be the point of saying that you're two days younger than you actually are. What exactly is the point she's making?

[Julian Field]

Is she gonna transvestigate her?

[Liv Akar]

That would be cool. I mean that would be, that would be funnier because the implication is that like Charlie Kirk was like a chaser.

[Julian Field]

My God.

[Travis View]

By the way, this video has over 5 million views on YouTube.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, it's, there's so many people who are batch. It's really just such a good, like I don't even want to say Griff because like Candice believes it. Like on one of those video streams that I was watching, she starts it with like a thing about the Mandela effect. And it was like one example of a logo that she feels different and she's like everyone in the chat saying true. It's like you guys are my people. And it's like. Yeah, I mean it is just very like minded. It's, it's, she's, she's the insane person that happened to get a platform in this way.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I know a lot of people who are, you know, smart and they still enjoy Candace Owens content because it is, is you know, kind of unhinged. I mean it's way more interesting than the average right wing talking points in blather.

[Travis View]

Now in the second episode of the series she gets into like some really good shit. So her primary interest in this one is in Erica's father's first wife, a woman by the name of Dr. Jerry Francie. Now you might say, let's say like kind of a tenuous connection to Erica herself. What exactly is irrelevance? Well, it's relevant, Candace says, because Jerry Franzvi herself connects to a name that should be familiar with listeners to the Curse Media miniseries science and transition. Dr. John Money.

[Julian Field]

Cursed media.net Go sign up.

[Travis View]

So this was the man who opened the first gender clinic in the United States.

[Candace Owens]

Dr. Jerry Franz Fay herself, by the way, was friends and colleagues with Dr. John Money, the notorious psychologist who like was one of the fathers of transgenderism who then it turned out notoriously abused. Abused children.

[Julian Field]

It goes right to the top surgery.

[Travis View]

But it gets worse, according to Candace because Erica Kirk attended a school called Tesseract in Paradise Valley, Arizona. And According to Candace, Dr. Jerry Frans v was somehow involved in charter schools.

[Julian Field]

All these people are just like a weird combo of like New age California style. Woo. And you know, just awful right wing garbage. Like they're, they're protestant but they are all like so, so strange.

[Candace Owens]

But the reason that I, I wanted to give you the background of Jerry Franz Fay is because after this, heading into the 90s the next thing she does in life is she gets involved with charter schools. She gets into the charter school business, particularly helping them to develop psychological methods with students. Yeah. You know where this is going? Dr. Jerry Franz Fay is going to be the person that helps develop the Tesseract way. Tesseract schools, the school that Erica went to. That is exceedingly problematic.

[Liv Akar]

Is that supposed, like, the fact that she went to. It is supposed to be evidence that it's sinister? I guess.

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Absolutely unhinged.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. I mean, it's. It is just like kind of a. You would expect someone to make a parody of these conspiracy and just literally say these things. It's like such an absurd 10, you know, tangential unrelated connection to most of Erica Kirk's life.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

So I looked into this and there was a. There's an organization called the Tesseract Group that did operate multiple charter schools, but the one that Erica allegedly attended in Paradise Valley was not one of them. It was actually a private school.

[Liv Akar]

So it's not even. It's not even a real connection. Like.

[Travis View]

Yeah, it's like two charter schools. He's like, she went to a school that was run by an organization that also operated charter schools and charter schools.

[Liv Akar]

She doesn't like charter schools.

[Travis View]

Yeah, she thinks there's. There's something. Well, you know, it's interesting. Always talking about like, the, like the Expanse school. She's very fixated with like, what kind of like, upbringing. There's this idea that like, there's some sort of government force that like, knows who you are from a very young age and filters you into the right school for whatever reason to, I guess, harness your powers or whatever.

[Julian Field]

This is a broken clock thing because charter schools are very bad.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, no, absolutely. I was surprised because, like, the right loves charter schools, don't they?

[Julian Field]

Yeah. I mean, people who like to make money love it. And people who oppose any kind of like, public school system and want to take, you know, all the science out. Yeah, they, they do love them.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. Public schools are woke. So it's like if you homeschool your kid or put them in these private, like non woke schools, it's better.

[Travis View]

So if you're following the thread here, Erica Kirk ties to her father, who ties to his first wife, Dr. Jerry Franzvi, who, according to Owens and no other source that I could find, was involved in charter schools to some extent. And Erica Kirk attended a private school that was operated by an organization that also ran some charter schools.

[Julian Field]

I can just see Charlie Day.

[Travis View]

I think it's crazy. Like Watching her work, because it goes on like this, and I keep waiting for her to get to the point, and it just never comes. Kanda says that while Dr. Jerry Franzvi claims that she went to Eastern Europe to do research on gender issues after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Candace doesn't buy it, but she doesn't offer, like, any alternative theory. She builds on these ideas to start, like, free associating connections to the military and Freemasons.

[Candace Owens]

Frans Bay. I will state this unequivocally. I don't think Dr. Jerry Fransvay, who is a verifiable fraud, was there in Eastern Europe researching gender issues, may she rest in peace. But that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. I should also mention that Tesseract had a principle. She actually. Actually climb a ladder at Tesseract. While Erica was a student who had very strong military ties, a woman named Nancy Gerard. Nancy Gerard hall, she will become. Nancy was a military brat. Her father was Colonel Paul Tracy Gerard, who was a member of the Scottish. Right. A lot of that going on. A lot of Freemasonry going on at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Out in Kansas, he was a part of the Blue Lodge, Blue Masonic Lodge in Galesburg, Illinois, as well. He was also the chief military law enforcement officer at the 7th army in Europe. That's in Germany. Stuttgart, Germany, in the 1950s.

[Julian Field]

It must be so cool to do research for Candace, because you can just absolutely string together a bunch of turds and just hand them to her like it's a pearl necklace.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

So you're the father of the principal of the school that Erica attended was a Freemason. And what is the relevance of this? What should we conclude? She doesn't get to that point.

[Liz Crokin]

Point.

[Travis View]

She just makes these connections and then, like, moves on. Now, I don't really want to, like, belabor this point. I don't want to, like. I keep, like, specifically debunking all of these specific claims because I feel like that's kind of beside the point. She's like. She's, you know, it's like. It's like jazz. She's just. Just connecting things over and over again. It doesn't come to anything. Doesn't come to a point. It's almost like the experience of the connections is more relevant than any sort of, like, specific claim that she's trying to make.

[Liv Akar]

It's like an emotional argument. It's trying to make the viewer feel like there appears to be something here. Like, I trust Candace, and she's looking into it. And, like, look at. There are all these connections. So, like, some of them might be bogus, but, like, you know, I don't know. So it's weird that there's the freemason related to her. And, you know, it's like she. Eric is like, in Trump world, right? So, like, I'm sure there is, like, some weird, very strange connections of, like, oh, her dad's mom, stepfather was in the CIA or some. The oas. You know, like, that wouldn't be a surprise to me.

[Travis View]

Yeah, it's like you could literally do that with, like, everyone. I don't. I have no idea who the father of the principal of the school I went to.

[Eric Bolling]

Maybe.

[Travis View]

Maybe they had some really suspicious connections, but that's nothing to do with me.

[Liv Akar]

My family in Serbia, part of them were in the. The Black Hand organization that killed Franz Ferdinand. Like the Serbian nationalist group. Oh, so you make. Make something there. I'm sure they were vaguely Mason, but it's crazy.

[Travis View]

Is that, like. Like, her fans eat this shit up. Like, here was a top comment from one of her videos.

[Julian Field]

Can you name anyone else in the world today who has the abilities Candace has at her disposal?

[Liv Akar]

Yes, I.

[Julian Field]

She's putting together. She's putting together an insanely complex puzzle from different timelines and clues with a very small team at the same time, we, her followers, have formed a global support network for the truth.

[Liv Akar]

Are you sure you didn't find these in, like, our Patreon comments about me?

[Julian Field]

That kind of combination cannot be crushed by any amount of money pressure or intimidation. We bring the truth to light, and candace has our 100% support fist emoji. This is incredible because Liz Crokin has kind of started jumping on the back of this. I mean, it's very easy to say that all this stuff is extremely qanon. It's true. But Liz is not satisfied. Here's her March 14 tweet. Erica Kirk is involved in the rape, torture, and trafficking of children. I came to that conclusion based off my own research and before real Candice O started exposing this, honestly.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, like, Liz must be so mad because Candace is just stealing her entire flow and just making an insane fucking amount of money on it. Like, I don't even know. How does Liz croaking make money? I'm sure she's not doing especially well. Like, she's really not.

[Julian Field]

I mean, that's 20k on this one and four 2k retweets. I mean, she's probably making some money

[Liv Akar]

off probably making something, but not Candace Owens. Money. And she really was the original. Like, she used to be a gossip columnist. Like she. She does the gossip shit. And she's like, she was a QAnon ground one day one. She was doing QAnon stuff when Candace Owens was writing about how Trump has a tiny dick and she hates the Republican Party. Like, you must be fucking mad about it. Like, none of these people, you know, I built this the ground up and I don't get any of the. Don't reap any of the rewards.

[Julian Field]

She continues. So everyone who is trying to get me to cover up for this can go fuck off. I don't care who you are or what you claim to represent. If you are involved in the rape, torture and trafficking of children, I will expose you. It's really that simple. She continues on the same day. I will not allow the MAGA movement turn into. But, oh, she's a grieving widow. So we will ignore the rape, torture and trafficking of Jeffrey Epstein's ring. Fucking never on my watch.

[Liv Akar]

So she's connected to Epstein, I guess. Kirk, I don't. I don't know yet.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, she continues to go off. Anyone that thinks calling out Erica Kirk for being involved in sex trafficking children is more controversial than her actually being a part of sex trafficking children is actually the demonic one. The fact I actually have to say this is, and I apologize here, mind blowing. It's insane. And then she's posting Pizzagate stuff. Erica Kirk is clearly involved and you get. You get the point.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. But it's interesting though because, like, this is a bit of a sacred cow among the like. That's one of the reasons, as I think you point out, Travis, why Kanis can do this is like. Well, most of the pundits want to be invited around the TPUSA circle.

[Travis View]

It's true. Like, she is quite comfortable never being invited to, you know, conservative media galas ever again. Again.

[Liz Crokin]

She.

[Travis View]

Yeah, she's able to like, wander alone with her own wild claims. And that gives her a certain amount of freedom and who she targets now, I think it was. Was really interesting is like the kind of like outrage that a lot of her.

[Julian Field]

Her.

[Travis View]

Her fellow travelers and conservative media are reacting with. For example, there's Danish d' Souza, who is himself a lunatic. Remember he promoted the. The film 2000 Mules. He was in that. He produced it and it was like it has this. This wild conspiracy theory about like election fraud in Georgia that for distributed which is Salem medium group to issue an apology and stop distributing. So he is definitely a conspiracist who is very familiar with pushing batshit claims. But for some reason when it comes to Candace Owens, he thinks that she goes too far.

[Liv Akar]

It is a little hard to believe that, you know, you can. That you have rational people who listen to one of Candace's quote, investigations. These are not investigations. They're just wild allegations, sort of leading questions. Bogus investigations that never produce a single fact, a single reliable theory that you can work with. They never reach any conclusion. And the moment they run out of gas, a new incendiary accusation comes in its place.

[Travis View]

Gabby, you just described your career, Dinesh,

[Julian Field]

and you're talking to Laura Loomer.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, I do. Love, by the way, Laura Loomer is really just working her side profile. It's clearly her best, best angle by far. And it's like such an awkward angle of her to be like recording a show on.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Very strange.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah. It's the taboo. It's like you don't. It's one of ours. You don't do that.

[Travis View]

But it's like almost like. Yeah, it's like, why? Why these tactics are pernicious and don't actually help guide you towards a better understanding of reality. Only becomes clear to them was targeted towards one of their friends. Now even Alex Jones compared candace Owens to QAnon unfavorably.

[Julian Field]

Oh, boy.

[Travis View]

Jones and QAnon have not had a good hit history. And Jones lamented how many of her claims can be quickly disproven. I'll just say it.

[Liz Crokin]

Candace Owens is the new queen of black pilled Q. It was white pilled insane Q that thought everything was fine and get your popcorn. And now the dark Q has risen. I don't say that because she's black. It's like fun. As Jones is more hardcore now. He's, he's, you know, he's Dark Jones. Dark Knight Dark, you know, Dark Spider Man. No, it's literally Dark Q. I dub her the queen of Dark Q. The empress of Dark Q. You got the QAnon, you got the, you know, blue and on you got. You now have Candace on. And I'm just like, wow, Egyptian planes. Let me go look into it. Bunch of bull. Okay. Fort Huachuca, you know, Mass, you know, assassination operation plan happening. Go look into it. Easily. Verifiable horseshit. And I'm supposed to then go, well, what she's doing is popular, so I'll. I love her. Her ring race, her acolytes, her camp followers, her praetorian guard. They all came out and said, Jones can't Read a room. I mean, look, he's getting ratioed by people that are saying he's full of crap and covering stuff up. He works for Israel. Hallelujah. Yeah. A lie goes halfway around the world for the truth, puts his pants on. But the truth wins in the end. It's, I'll be right, as always. You'll be wrong as always. So good.

[Liv Akar]

No one does it like him, goblin. No one does it like him, goblin behavior. Watching so much Candace Owens and then going back to, like, a real fucking entertainer. No, it's like whiplash. It's like, why are they selecting Candace Owens?

[Travis View]

I don't get it. Yes, Alex Jones is, of course, rhetorically gifted, so it is startling to compare him against everyone else we've been watching today.

[Julian Field]

He's running this, like, AI video of her sitting at a desk in an empress outfit with a mug that is like shooting electricity upwards towards a big queue. I mean, just truly we, we are in a great place. Content is just better than ever. And I, I thought Infowars was done.

[Liv Akar]

I don't understand that either.

[Julian Field]

Nothing ever dies. Nothing ever dies. These worms in the soil.

[Travis View]

The Bride of Charlie series is also causing problems at the Daily Wire, which once employed avoid Candace Owens. Daily Wire founder Ben Shapiro and host Michael Knowles got into an argument about whether people should condemn Candace Owens directly. So if Candace Owens decides to slander the widow of Charlie Kirk, I think that people have a moral duty to

[Liv Akar]

say that this is a bad thing,

[Travis View]

even if they are quote unquote, friends with those people. And I find. But let's take that further. So obviously one should state one's view and say, you know, Eric is great and attacks on her and are not right. Michael, just ask you straight up. Is Candace Owens doing something evil by attacking Erica Kerr? I. I think that it's wrong to attack Erica Kerr.

[Julian Field]

Whoa.

[Liv Akar]

No.

[Candace Owens]

Say.

[Travis View]

Say the sentence with her name. I'm not. I'm. I'm not going to dance. I know I can for the podcast.

[Liv Akar]

You don't know.

[Candace Owens]

You don't have to dance like a puppet.

[Travis View]

But you, I think it's. You are dancing pretty quickly. I mean, there's a lot of tap dancing here, Michael. No, I don't think there's any clear.

[Julian Field]

Even if you are interested in the

[Travis View]

podcast, people who are leading the invective against Candace are heard from biggest publicist.

[Julian Field]

Learn to not speak over each other. You're all terrible at this.

[Travis View]

It's like this is just. I don't know, I feel like this whole thing kind of like Exposed how like I guess this whole, you know, the conspiracist conservative media ecosystem works is that like it really is based upon focused on like targets. The moment someone does everything that Daily Wire taught Candace Owens how to do, everything that TPUSA taught Candace Owens what to do, and then all these, these tactics and the suspicion and this paranoia directed at someone they like, all of a sudden it is an explosive controversy. I also would argue that like Candace Owens is kind of like a conspiracist innovator because she's not doing like old fashioned conspiracy theories and laying out like a argument about a hidden plot with a particular cabal, a clear mechanism, a falsifiable thesis. She starts with the conclusion that the target is deceptive. Like maybe they are. Everyone's like, you know, deceptive or covers up something about their own life in some extent.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, especially when you turn your attention to the like it's. Yeah, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Travis View]

Then she feeds her audience what she calls wrinkles. There's like a strange date, a missing record, a school name that's suspicious, a family connection, an odd phrase, an unnamed insider that's giving her information. So none of these elements have to like prove any particular case. I don't even know what her theory is when it comes to Eric Kirk. I don't even know what exactly her story is. It's just their function of all these little wrinkles, all these little oddities is cumulative and this thing aesthetic. They create a feeling that the official story is rotten and like that's, that's enough for cancer. Just this feeling that like that whatever is being said about some big name like Erica Kirk is wrong in some particular way. Even if no alternative theory is presented,

[Liv Akar]

it's just a gossip column. Basically. She's just gossiping and yeah, with the kind of force of conspiracy theories because that's just like the ever present mode of thinking in a Kirk and you know, social consciousness. People want to know more about other people. They want to feel like other people are being exposed and like to convince people that that's political. Like with QAnon where they convinced, convinced people that like all the baking process is actually political. You're helping Trump works really well. They're like, well I can gossip and it's actually doing politics. I'm actually uncovering the truth about things. Looking into, you know, Erica Kirk's drama when she was a teenager or something. It's like actually doing politics.

[Travis View]

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[Julian Field]

Wowie. Zowie. Travis, where can people go do that?

[Travis View]

You can do [e-mail] that's patreon.comqaa amazing.

[Julian Field]

And I would go sign up, but it's. It's my own podcast. Crazy.

[Liv Akar]

Yeah, I was pretty convinced there. I was almost gonna say sign up.

[Julian Field]

I'm on them, listener. Until next week. May the deep dish bless you and keep you.

[Liv Akar]

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[Julian Field]

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[Candace Owens]

pick with Matt Walsh. We have a long running beef on the topic of NASA and moon landings because he thinks they happened. And listen, when the guys did it, it was. It was fake and gay. I'm sorry, Matt. And it's time for you admit it. It was just as bad. You just want to lie for it. Okay. Homies were on the moon making phone calls before the time of cell phones. Like, hey, what's up, Prez? Me on the moon with the flag. No issues. First time we've ever flown this thing. Yeah, I don't know. We just. We just got through the belt pretty easily. And until Matt Walsh accepts that the mission in 69 mine was also fake and gay, I don't care. I can't defend you. Even if I fully agree with you about Gayle King. I won't. I. I literally cannot defend you. Okay. You must come to terms with the fact that NASA and space missions have always been this bacon gay. You just weren't alive for the original ones. And you need to learn the history of NASA, of the Apollo programs, which were occult and satanic. It was literally meant to be an anti Christ movement to make people believe in man.