Epstein’s Inbox Is Full (E349)

Summary

QAA Podcast – Episode 349: “Epstein’s Inbox Is Full”
Original Air Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Jake Rockatansky, Travis View, Liv Agar

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the QAA crew dissects the recent release of over 20,000 documents from the House Oversight Committee tied to Jeffrey Epstein’s estate. The hosts analyze what these emails and records reveal about Epstein’s interactions with elite figures, the culture of parsing cryptic “elites’ emails,” and how conspiracy and mainstream communities are responding. With characteristic humor, skepticism, and deep dives into cursed media, they explore why so little is ever truly exposed, the evidence’s ambiguity, and how political divides color reactions to the ongoing Epstein saga.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Document Dump: An Unprecedented Look Inside

[00:45]–[02:16]

• Over 20,000 documents: email, texts, scheduling, and financial records, suddenly released.
• The records spotlight interactions with high-profile figures – Noam Chomsky, Ehud Barak, Peter Thiel, Steve Bannon, Michael Wolff, and others, many of which occurred after Epstein’s 2008 conviction.
• Parsing cryptic, fragmentary emails has become a cultural battleground, with reference to how “pizzagaters” accidentally won the long-term narrative by setting the norm for obsessively reading elites’ emails.

“The pizzagators were very wrong in the specifics. They’re very bad at analysis, but they won culturally—trying to parse through emails, to decode them… is normal political discourse now.” — Liv Agar [01:31]

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2. The “Dogs That Didn’t Bark”

[07:08]–[11:23]

• Analysis of a 2011 Epstein email referencing Trump:
  Epstein to Maxwell: “That dog that hasn’t barked is Trump… [redacted] spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, etc. I’m 75% there.”
• Reference to Sherlock Holmes metaphor: the dog didn’t bark because it knew the intruder. Did Trump know about Epstein’s crimes and stay silent, or does the metaphor break down because Epstein is “at a fifth-grade reading level?”
• Debate over whether this means Trump is complicit or merely present.

“He’s essentially implying that Trump knew everything was going on and never said anything—complicit.” — Jake Rockatansky [10:55]

• The name of the redacted victim is suggested to be Virginia Giuffre—who did not accuse Trump of abuse—raising questions about what being “the dog that didn’t bark” even means.

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3. Strategic Email Leaks and Political Gamesmanship

[04:53]–[07:08]

• Democrats released a small, targeted batch of emails first; Republicans responded with a massive dump of 20,000+ documents, raising suspicion of timing and strategic motives on both sides.
• The hosts see the contrast with Watergate: why does this not engender mass resignations or crisis?

“It’s such a horrific political context in America because this is way worse than Watergate… I think spying on your political enemies is not as bad as fucking kids.” — Travis View [05:26]

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4. Media, Blackmail, and Sordid Networking

[11:34]–[18:59]

• Multiple emails identify journalists and authors currying favor with, or advising, Epstein: Michael Wolff and NYT’s Landon Thomas Jr. are especially prominent.
• Epstein offers salacious material on Trump to the media—photos of “Donald and girls in bikinis.”
• The role reversal: instead of being shunned, Epstein receives consistent image management advice from the powerful, with little sign his sex offender status deterred elite contact.

“All these powerful and well-connected people are always giving him tips about how to avoid trouble and improve his image… It was irrelevant.” — Liv Agar [18:06]

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5. Trump, Clinton, Blackmail, and Theories of Control

[21:00]–[25:35]

• Epstein regularly implies he has damaging information on Trump:
  “I know how dirty Donald is. I am the one able to take him down.” [22:32]
• Doubt about whether Epstein is exaggerating to puff up his own importance—or if he genuinely possesses damaging kompromat on major American figures.
• Skepticism about whether anything will “change history”—though these communications confirm a toxic symbiosis among media, elites, and Epstein.

“Of course Epstein wants to see himself as a guy who’s that powerful… you have to take it from the context of Epstein is the one reporting these things.” — Travis View [25:35]

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6. Feeding the Bannon-Breitbart Universe

[31:39]–[36:12]

• Post-2016, Epstein maintains regular contact with Steve Bannon, offering access to world leaders and assistance with defending the Trump administration’s tax-cut policies.
• Planning of secret in-person meetings, highlighting their mutual awareness of the need for discretion.
• The straight-faced absurdity of Epstein, a convicted sex offender, strategizing right-wing messaging and trying to rehabilitate his public image via Bannon.

“If there’s anything more emblematic of American politics, it’s a notorious billionaire pedophile trying to devise a strategy to make people believe that tax cuts won’t mainly benefit the rich.” — Liv Agar [34:27]

• On the day Epstein was arrested, he was texting Bannon about a planned documentary to “rehabilitate” his image and arranging possible filming on Little St. James ("pedophile island").

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7. The “Bubba” Email and Internet Outrage

[41:20]–[47:07]

• The so-called “Bubba” email goes viral; Mark Epstein asks Steve Bannon if “Putin has the photo of Trump blowing Bubba,” prompting wild speculation that “Bubba” means Bill Clinton, or, through an online rumor, Ghislaine Maxwell’s alleged horse.
• Mark Epstein denies it refers to Clinton but refuses further explanation, fueling more conspiracy theorizing. This ignorance-to-discredit cycle is mocked for only making the speculation crazier.

“Why don’t you just say it’s a joke? Not like, ‘this is private, it’s not Clinton, not going to say who it is, though.’” — Liv Agar [44:59]

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8. Memeification and Performative Belief

[51:20]–[54:29]

• Online, people embrace the silliest possible conspiracies (e.g., “Trump blew Clinton”) for humor or narrative pleasure, regardless of evidence.
• Hosts argue this is the same impulse that powers QAnon and broader post-truth politics: you believe what’s most fun, degrading, or consoling.

“If people can believe that raw milk is good for you and that vaccines are bad for you… then I can believe that Donald Trump blew Bill Clinton.” — TikTok user, quoted by Jake Rockatansky [53:26]

• The hosts note this belief rarely changes power structures; it just scrambles discourse.

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9. Conspiracy Community and QAnon Reaction

[55:09]–[63:50]

• Trump dismisses the entire document leak as an “Epstein hoax,” trying to shift blame onto Democrats.
• QAnon personalities insist the documents exonerate Trump, warping ambiguous evidence into proof he was a “whistleblower”:

“The reason [Trump] hasn’t been mentioned is not because he did something wrong and was paying people off, but because he didn’t do anything wrong. And he also went to the police and the FBI about this entire thing.” — QAnon promoter Zach Payne, summarized by Liv Agar [55:57]

• Some theorize the entire Epstein narrative was concocted by elites to frame Trump, evolving into paranoid feedback loops and “horseshoe theory” where even self-declared pedophile-hunters start minimizing Epstein’s crimes.

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10. Legislative Developments and The Never-Ending Leak

[61:08]–[64:40]

• On day of recording, the House voted to compel release of all DOJ Epstein files; Trump reversed his previous reluctance, signaling he’d sign it, suggesting he's confident nothing damaging to him is forthcoming.
• Hosts doubt full transparency is forthcoming due to expected redactions and “national security” justifications.
• The cyclical, ultimately unproductive nature of each new “document dump” is mocked:

“I can’t believe we’re reading through all this stuff again. It feels like we’re always going to be unearthing a trove of Epstein documents.” — Jake Rockatansky [49:15]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Pizzagaters "winning" the long Internet war:
  “Trying to parse through emails, decode them… is normal political discourse now.” — Liv Agar [01:31]
• On Watergate v. Today:
  “This is way worse than Watergate… I think spying on your political enemies is not as bad as fucking kids.” — Travis View [05:26]
• On elite indifference to Epstein’s offender status:
  “It was irrelevant.” — Liv Agar [18:06]
• On Bannon and Epstein strategizing:
  “Could we go to the island, maybe?” — Steve Bannon, via text [37:56]
• On Mark Epstein’s ‘Bubba’ email:
  “You and your boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie Get Hard.” — Mark Epstein [41:53]
• Alex Jones weighs in:
  “Oh, there’s no video of President Trump sucking a ding dong. And so what if there was? That’s a lot better than World War III!” — Alex Jones [50:29]
• On the post-truth meme environment:
  “If people can believe… God in heaven told them to not celebrate Halloween, then I can believe Donald Trump blew Bill Clinton. I can do that.” — TikTok user, quoted by Jake Rockatansky [53:26]
• On document dump fatigue:
  “It feels like we’re always going to be unearthing a trove of Epstein documents.” — Jake Rockatansky [49:15]

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Timeline of Key Segments

• 00:45–04:47: The context of the new document trove; the normalizing of digging through elites’ emails.
• 07:08–11:23: Analysis of Epstein’s Trump-related “dog that hasn’t barked” emails.
• 11:34–20:04: Media figures’ involvement; how journalists and authors interact with Epstein.
• 31:39–38:49: Details of Epstein’s communication with Steve Bannon; plans for a rehab documentary.
• 41:20–47:07: The “Bubba” email goes viral—discussion of internet reaction and memeification.
• 55:09–63:50: QAnon and conspiracy theorist reactions; attempted narrative control by different political factions.
• 61:08–64:40: Congressional action to release all Epstein files; doubts about real transparency.

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Takeaways

• Cultural Fatigue & Cynicism: Each new “bombshell” feels emptier; parsing cryptic emails becomes a performance, not a process of fact-finding.
• Elite & Media Complicity: The documents suggest a pervasive culture of enabling, spin, and lack of consequence among elites who should have shunned Epstein.
• Conspiracist Narrative Flexibility: Both MAGA/QAnon and liberal spaces shoehorn ambiguous details into self-reinforcing worldviews, often adopting their adversaries’ tactics.
• Endless Recurrence: The hope for definitive revelations is mocked; with every dump, only ambiguity and absurd internet comedy grow.

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone wanting to understand the cynical cycle surrounding Epstein news, conspiracist mythmaking, and the state of accountability (or lack of it) among America's elite and political class. The hosts’ blend of history, dark comedy, and righteous frustration keeps the discussion both sobering and sharply entertaining.

Transcript

[Jake Rakatansky]

Sam, if you're hearing this, well done. You found a way to connect to the Internet. Welcome to the qaa podcast, episode 349. Epstein's inbox is full. As always. We are your hosts, Jake Rakatansky, Liv.

[Liv Acar]

Acar and Travis View. We still don't have a complete accounting of Epstein's activities and the extent to which powerful people either participated in them or were complicit with them. We don't have a complete record of how many girls were victimized by Epstein. The DOJ has said that the number of victims is over a thousand over the decades, but we don't have anything precise. But you know what we do have? Documents. Lots of new documents. Over 20,000 new documents released by the House Oversight Committee earlier this month, which were obtained from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.

[Jake Rakatansky]

America runs on documents, which includes the American sex trafficking. Yeah, that's the new breakfast sandwich.

[Liv Acar]

These documents include private emails, text messages, schedules, and financial records which do shed some more light on Epstein's network of high profile associates and what they may have known about his crimes. But they're just as frequently cryptic, difficult to parse, and require a lot of context to make sense of. So in lieu of substantial transparency and justice, we can instead pore through these emails, decoding them and trying to figure out what they might expose about our political media and financial elites. Yeah, I talked about this on Blue Sky a bit. How like, the pizzagators were very wrong in the specifics. They're very bad at analysis, but they won culturally is like trying to parse through emails, to decode them, try to make sense of what they're saying is normal political discourse now.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, and it's way easier. Instead of having to parse through like, kind of like old hat politics, you know, is just be like anti pedophile. Like you're against those kind of people. Like, who's going to, who's going to take up a stand against you?

[Travis View]

I was thinking of like a guy who's like. Because there are some people defending Epstein, especially because he was attached to Trump. Like you had that. Who's the older blonde?

[Jake Rakatansky]

Megyn Kelly.

[Travis View]

Megyn Kelly being like, they're 17. Come on. Like, like that sort of line.

[Jake Rakatansky]

50, which is so barely legal. Like she was familiar with, with the genre of pornography. I thought that was so weird.

[Travis View]

Yeah. But I, I am like imagining. Enjoying imagining a guy who's like doing like reverse Pizzagate stuff where it's like, no, no, no. In that email where Jeffrey Epstein talks about buying children, that's actually Code for walnut sauce on his up. Like, they couldn't talk about that. Literally. You don't understand.

[Liv Acar]

These new records show interactions with individuals from across politics, academia, finance, and media, including Noam Chomsky, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barack, Peter Thiel, Steve Bannon, and author Michael Wolf. Their communications with Epstein continued years after his 2008 conviction for soliciting prostitution from a minor, for which he was registered as a sex offender.

[Travis View]

Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder, like, if this happens, because Chompsy kind of just like. I mean, he's insanely old. He's kind of just like, receded from the public. Like, how much bigger of a discourse that would have been when he was, like, doing media runs. Like, maybe like 2020. Because, yeah, it's pretty bad. Like, I mean, you could give Matachomsky for a couple things, one of which is, like, genocide, denial. But talking to Epstein and hanging around him is pretty bad. It's a pretty big stain in his legacy.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. Post conviction. I mean, is it like, you know, like, when one of your high school friends gets like, a dew and like, you're like, oh, oh, man.

[Liv Acar]

Horrible.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Like, horrible. Yeah, you shouldn't really do that. But, like, we're already kind of all hanging around, like, are we really going to abandon him over this? This is something that everybody in our circle is getting away with for the most part.

[Travis View]

I mean, how is that the case if you're Noam Chomsky? That was the crazy thing. Like that. The. The high school friend analogy is Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, it's not looking. It's not good.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No good.

[Liv Acar]

So it's impractical to, like, cover all of what's inside these. This newly revealed correspondence, but. So I'm going to kind of zero in on the bits I personally found most interesting, and then we'll talk a bit about how the conspiracy world is reacting to this new document dump.

[Jake Rakatansky]

As with any podcast, it is what we find the most fascinating.

[Liv Acar]

So I want to start with the three messages that were initially released by the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, because I think it's interesting, this kind of started, I guess, kind of like, I guess like a document like a war between the Dems and the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee, because, like, first Democrats, they released these three interesting emails we're going to talk about in a moment. And then Republicans responded by releasing, like, 20,000 more, which is. I'm obviously all in for releasing everything they got, but it seems like this is a. I don't know, it's kind of like it was kind of a strategic dump. The timing was at least.

[Travis View]

Yeah, it's really, it's really remarkable. Like we haven't gotten mass resignations on the Republican side from any of this that they're able to strategically dump these emails. It's just, it's such a horrific political context in America because this is way worse than Watergate. And that was, it was over for him. Like, I think that spying on your political enemies is not as bad as fucking kids.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I feel like the majority of Americans would agree.

[Travis View]

Apparently not, though. Apparently they don't care. Like, I don't. I think maybe there's just enough of them population that's been like right wing brainwashed. Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's just as easy to believe, like, well, if it's bad, if the news is bad, somebody put it there. But if the news is good, it's real and true. I think we're just, it's so easy to just go like, oh, you know, like this doesn't line up like quickly, quickly figure out how to, you know, who can I find on Twitter that has like a plausible. Yeah, okay, this narrative will emerge. Yeah, perfect.

[Liv Acar]

Fine.

[Travis View]

It's just crazy that this strategic decision for Republicans isn't like completely abandoning like MAGA and Trump as a political project.

[Liv Acar]

But I think, I think it's interesting. Yeah, we talk about like Watergate. It's like Watergate is what helped spurred Roger Ailes to help create Fox News because he thought that this was, this wasn't a scandal of, of political corruption. This was a scandal of media bias. He thought that. It's like, it's like if the, if conservatives had a greater share of the media space, this wouldn't happen. So we made a decades long plan to, to capture more media share for right wingers so that, so that that kind of thing could never happen again.

[Travis View]

Mission accomplished.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He went too far. It worked too well.

[Liv Acar]

All right, so the, yeah, the emails released by the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. So the first one. This is a 2011 email from Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein wrote this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is Trump. Redacted victim name. Spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, etc. I'm 75% there.

[Travis View]

This is just like so horrific. Dog that hasn't barked.

[Liv Acar]

I know. Yeah. Isn't. Yeah. The phrase, the dogs that didn't bark. I mean, it's like, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Epstein sounds to me like, he is, like, fucking constantly jacking off to type this bad. With this many spelling mistakes and this many periods. He must just be trying to type with one hand wherever he goes. I just imagine he's constantly walking around jacking off. And that's like the only. The only excuse for this kind of, like, horrific spelling.

[Travis View]

Because this is 100% typed in an iPad, right? This is iPad spelling.

[Liv Acar]

Absolutely it is.

[Travis View]

He's like, lounging back in, like, a leather chair. He's got a martini.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like one of those guys that, like, watches pornography, like, when he's bored. You know, he's just like. He's like a pornography on the phone shoved into, like, the divider area, like, while he's driving somewhere.

[Travis View]

Absolutely. He's got the porno mag just casually reading, like, fully clothed.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. He's like. He's like Ron Watkins level of, like, porn guy. He's like a guy who has like, a dedicated. Like a dedicated porn area in his house.

[Travis View]

I mean, isn't that literally the point? Like, it's like half kompromat, half just like, he wanted sex tapes.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

Of people fucking, like, teenage girls.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like he found a way to really make his perversions work for his career.

[Travis View]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

That horny little Jewish guy with, like, swag from, like, you know, summer camp who just, like, nobody ever stopped other reporting.

[Liv Acar]

And the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee have indicated that the name of the redacted victim is Virginia Giuffre, the Epstein survivor and sexual abuse advocate who committed suicide in April at the age of 41. Now, interestingly, Giuffre very specifically said that she was not victimized by Trump. She accused a few people, including, like, Prince Andrew, but she. She didn't claim that that Trump vict. But this email says that according to Epstein, I guess not a reliable source entirely. So that Jew Free spent hours with Trump at Epstein's house, which is still.

[Travis View]

You know, it's just. Just hanging out with the sex trafficking girl victim and not. Is still probably.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

Not a good. So, okay, well, in that case, he was just hanging out with her.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. Yeah. What does he say? He's like, they're treating you well. Like, what are you. Like, what do you say to a hostage? You know, essentially like a hostage?

[Travis View]

He's like, no, he's like, that's. That's. That's Jeff's girl. Like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do that. That's like the Trump position.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Weird.

[Liv Acar]

So Ghislaine Maxwell replied to Epstein's email by saying this.

[Travis View]

I've been thinking about that ellipses.

[Liv Acar]

So they're. They were both thinking about how. How despite, according to Epstein, Giuffre spent some time with Trump at Epstein's house and like, this has never been mentioned.

[Travis View]

Or I guess is she thinking about the fact that he's like a dog that hasn't barked that like he's not telling on anyone? I guess because that's. That was my interpretation that like Trump is not telling anyone. He's not talking to the police.

[Liv Acar]

Here's the thing is that like, so the phrase actually comes from a Sherlock Holmes story called Silver Blaze in which Holmes solves a case partly because a watchdog did not bark during the night. Meaning like the intruder was like someone that the dog knew. It usually indicates like a lack of noise or a lack of evidence that indicates something profound or significant.

[Travis View]

Right.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, so, okay. So, so, so he's essentially implying that Trump knew everything was going on and never said anything complicit.

[Liv Acar]

This is possibility, but is also based upon these emails. I mean, I think like Epstein has maybe like a fifth grade reading level, so he doesn't really understand what the fucking phrase means. So here we are trying to parse this.

[Travis View]

The.

[Liv Acar]

The meaning of this phrase dog that hasn't barked when he. He himself may have not really understood what the hell he was saying.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes, that dog that hasn't barked. That dog is a great like 90s like, grunge band. By the way, that's the first thing I thought when I saw when that.

[Liv Acar]

The next email was from Jeffrey Epstein to author in like journalist, very loosely, Michael Wolf. So it refers to an Epstein victim at Mar a Lago.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It says this, Trump said he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.

[Liv Acar]

So this is referring to. Says like, I guess Trump publicly said that he asked Epstein to resign as a member of Mar a Lago. But here Epstein is saying, I was never a member of the Mar a Lago club. And. And then he further says that like, well, is like he knew about the girls because he asked Ghislaine to I guess, stop recruiting at Mar a Lago. This is my interpretation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. So, so I guess the implications that you can't claim ignorance about Ghislaine's predatory behavior and also asking Ghislaine to stop doing this predatory thing, it's like Stalin.

[Travis View]

Telling his daughter to never be in like the same room Alone with Baria. It's like he knows that he's doing some pedophile shit.

[Liv Acar]

So the third email. So this is a December in 2015 back and forth between Epstein and Michael Wolf. So like, right when Trump's first, like, presidential campaign was taking off. So this is how Michael Wolff kicked off the communication. To Jeffrey Epstein from Michael Wolff. I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum afterwards.

[Jake Rakatansky]

To Michael Wolf from Jeffrey Epstein. If we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be?

[Liv Acar]

To Jeffrey Epstein from Michael Wolff. I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you a valuable PR in political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you. Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy, has gotten a raw deal, and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in the Trump regime.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Wow, these snakes.

[Liv Acar]

Michael Wolff is basically advising Epstein, like, how to like, leverage Trump's sliminess for his own benefit.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, this is like borrowing from a pedophile to like, hang Trump. You know, like, it's essentially like, ah, like, ah, I really hate this president so much that I'm willing to work with like a, a known monster, like, if I can. If I think that it'll somehow like, leverage, you know, leverage power over Trump.

[Travis View]

Yeah. Pedophilia happens to be bipartisan in America.

[Jake Rakatansky]

That's crazy that they're going to this guy. Like, he's a regular, like a regular dude.

[Travis View]

It is funny too, because, like, the very specific events that led to like, Epstein's death really work intent upon Trump winning. Yeah, yeah. Like, if Trump didn't win, it is interesting to see what would have happened with Epstein. It was originally about, like, Trump hiring Acosta, who had given Epstein such a light sentence. And it's like, that surely wouldn't have happened if we had a hilldog presidency. So. Yeah, fascinating, fascinating. For this discussion, they don't realize Trump winning is going to kill him.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I have no idea, like, what Michael Wolff looks like, but I imagine he's like a little goblin of a man. Cuz isn't he the guy who's like, you know, like two years after Trump is like, out of office, he's like, I have the smoking gun in my hot new book, like, Freedom on Trial in Inside the madness of Donald Trump's presidency or like, something like that. Like, isn't he always like, I've got the smoking gun.

[Travis View]

Fire and fury inside the Trump White House is the look.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I see people, like, are kind of mad at him because they're like, why did you withhold this information? Like, even if it is, you know, real and God, you know, we just, we can't trust these authors anymore. I mean, anybody can get a book published nowadays.

[Liv Acar]

So, I mean, yeah, like, he released an audio recording that revealed that Jeffrey Epstein described Trump as his closest friend for 10 years. So, yeah, he has. Yeah. And like, he releases a couple days before the election. Yeah, he's kind of a slime ball.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And these seem like kind of not huge revelations. Like, doesn't seem like he's publishing anything in these books that's like, you know, turning the course of history really well.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, he's also. He's also kind of like, fast and loose with the facts that he's published. He's. He's kind of a shit now. Interestingly, the emails also reveal that Epstein attempted, like, feed information to reporters about Trump. In December of 2015, he emailed the New York Times reporter Landon Thomas Jr.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Offering photos of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen.

[Liv Acar]

And so Thomas eagerly replied, yes, but it's not clear if such photos were ever sent or exist.

[Travis View]

That's so crazy to respond to that in the way that, like, you would respond to, like, going on a second date with someone like, yeah, yes, exclamation point, exclamation point.

[Liv Acar]

It was like, oh, hell yeah.

[Travis View]

I would love to, Smiley.

[Liv Acar]

In another email, Epstein suggested that reporters.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Asked my houseman about Donat almost walking through the door, leaving his nose print on the glass as a young women were swimming in the pool. And he was so focused, he walked straight into the door.

[Liv Acar]

A lot going on there. The fact, the fact that he's so fucking sloppy. Can't properly spell Donald. Yeah, Donat.

[Travis View]

He's iPad typing 100%.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I just also wonder if he's, like, drunk all the time. Like, if he's like that rich. Like, is it possible that he's just, like, wasted all the time?

[Liv Acar]

I don't know about his drinking habits.

[Travis View]

Yeah, probably just kicking it. He's on something. Maybe we also. You can like the young women. It's the, you know, the Matt Gates thing where he was calling, you know, minors women.

[Liv Acar]

Oh, yeah.

[Travis View]

You know, I'm sure that's absolutely what's going on here. I mean, I'm sure Epstein also uses girls, like, sexually. But when it's about trying to be above board, you, he upgrades to women.

[Jake Rakatansky]

This is so fucked up too, because essentially what he's doing in these emails is he's like, dude, he's like. He was so fucking into, like, all the miners we had. Like, he was into him too, dude.

[Travis View]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Like, that's like, what he's doing is he's like, Donald, forget about it.

[Travis View]

He's a real horn dog.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. All the fucking trafficking. Like, Donald was there. Like, he was fucking there, dude. Like, he was. He brought the beers. Like, it's so funny, as if, like, that makes him, like, worse. He's like, dude, I just supplied it. But Donald really fucking liked it.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, he was like, oh, listen, he saw the girls and his, like, his head turned into a train whistle and his eyes bulged out of his skull.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Dude, fucking, like, giant nose. Having fucking dude printed in my glass sliding door.

[Liv Acar]

Now, the reporter, Thomas, he didn't just receive tips. He also advised Epstein. The weird thing about Epstein these emails is, like, all these powerful and well connected people are always giving him tips about, like, how to avoid trouble and how to improve his image. It's like, what he's like, literally, literally on the sex registry. It's like, normally like this. The point. I guess the point of the sex registry is so that is public information that this person is a predator, potentially dangerous, but it didn't affect him at all. It was irrelevant.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I mean, the easiest explanation for, like, all of this is that he just was a honeypot. And all these senators are coming over and they know what they're getting there. So they have a vested interest in telling him, like, how to keep his operation, you know, like, running as smoothly as possible and not getting caught and not getting, like. They all have an interest in that. And so therefore, it just keeps. It's like a perpetual fucking motion. So many people in dark rooms must have been so unhappy when Epstein fucking got got arrested.

[Travis View]

Yeah. It is like, this really is a total conspiracy theorist victory moment when you have all these people like, yeah. Who seem to have some sort of oddly vested interest in making sure that Epstein gets the correct tips here, understands how to navigate these situations.

[Liv Acar]

Thomas counseled Epstein to distance himself from Prince Andrew, saying, I think the big.

[Travis View]

Issue is separating yourself from Andrew. People don't know that and can't accept that unless you say as much.

[Liv Acar]

Here's the craziest thing is that, like, man, this Prince Andrew is making you look bad, not the other way around.

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Liv Acar]

That, like, Andrew's association with Epstein is making Prince Andrew look bad.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Is, is.

[Liv Acar]

That was like, oh man, this like, you know, that and that Prince Andrew guy kind of a pervert. I don't know if you know. As was previously reported, Landon Thomas Jr. Was let go from the New York Times for violating ethical norms in his relationship with Epstein. During Trump's 2016 campaign, Epstein was in frequent contact with Michael Wolff, who was writing a Trump book at the time. Emails show Wolf coaching Epstein on media strategy and public messaging.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh my God. What?

[Liv Acar]

In February of 2016, Wolf alerted Epstein. This NYT called me about you and Trump. Hillary's campaign is digging deeply again. You should consider preempting. He's like, he's letting Epstein know what the media and Hillary's campaign is digging into to give him a heads up.

[Travis View]

He supports Epstein over like both Democrats and Republicans. Like that's first and foremost. The most important thing is Epstein's okay.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I was like, it's almost as if he's like feeding information to the, to the bad guys. Like to be like, hey, by the way, they're really digging in. Like, you better cover your tracks, friend. And mine, I'm guessing. Cover your tracks. And mine, I'm assuming is what's the. Is what the thing is, I think so.

[Liv Acar]

Now Wolf urged Epstein to go public about what he knew about Trump writing this in October of 2016. Now could be the time talk about Trump in such a way that helped finish him. Interested?

[Travis View]

Finish him? Yes. Kill him?

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes. Babality. That's crazy. It's crazy that they're just using Epstein as what he's essentially accused of being, which is an asset that can ruin politicians careers. Like when he decides to sort of pull the trigger or whenever the contact, I guess in this case Michael Wolf comes in to be like, heh heh, now's the time, brother. Flip the switch.

[Travis View]

Yeah, I mean it makes sense that someone like this would be very powerful behind the scenes. Again, it's just conspiracy theories to write and it's in an indirect way for a lot of them because they're very stupid. But like, yeah, if you have all that compliment on people, you can influence elections pretty well. You can have one of the major political candidates and the husband of the other political candidate are implicated in you. You can kind of help decide the results.

[Liv Acar]

The thing is that like, it's like Epstein keep referring to the idea that like he knew exactly how dirty Donald Trump was and he could take him down. But I don't know, I guess he just never pulled the trigger on this, or he's just bullshitting. But anyways, like, like, after Trump took office, it seemed like Epstein was, like, tracking Trump in the news pretty closely. In one email in February of 2017 to former Harvard president Larry Summers, Epstein.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Wrote, I've met some very bad people. None as bad as Trump. Not one decent cell in his body. So, yes, dangerous.

[Liv Acar]

Epstein also told an associate this in.

[Jake Rakatansky]

2018, I know how dirty Donald is. I am the one able to take him down.

[Liv Acar]

I mean, it's like, I have no doubt that Donald is dirty, but the problem is that, like, this case, it's a very unreliable narrator. I mean, the problem with these fucking emails and us having the fucking parse through them that we have to talk about, put them in the context of the conversation, who they're talking to, liability of, like, you know, the person they're saying, whether or not they're incentivized to be truthful. I mean, it's a fucking nightmare.

[Travis View]

Yeah, that is the problem. Like, because you can go the angle of like, well, even Epstein thinks that Donald Trump is bad, but it's like, well, Epstein saying Trump is bad doesn't make Trump look bad necessarily. I do wonder how partisan that is. If, like, you know, because Epstein strikes me as, like, a respectable Democrat conservative. You know, it's like he's like the norm. Like, he's like a norms guy.

[Liv Acar]

Is it norms? Yeah, it's like, oh, beyond the pale.

[Travis View]

Like, this by itself. You know, obviously, like, he wouldn't be saying this about Bill Clinton, who is also doing. You know, both of the two are probably equally evil at some level. But, like, there's a reason why he's singling out Trump here.

[Liv Acar]

Probably because, like, he's in power in the news. It's like, yeah, there's like, there are two ways. Number one is like, like, fucking Donald Trump is so fucking evil. Even Epstein, like, the monster that he is, was disgusted by Donald Trump. Donald, the other hand, is like, would you find it really insulting to be hated by Epstein? You know, it's like, that's. There's really nothing wrong with that.

[Travis View]

Yeah. Like, what do you think? Epstein thinks it's bad to rape kids?

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

Like, I don't think he does.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And like, yeah, I mean, like, given, like, somebody who's like a monster like Epstein who, like, has the reputation, of course he's going to be like, oh, I could fucking take him down, dude. Like, dude, I got shit on everybody, dude. Like, you know me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if he's that kind of like, of course he's gonna be like, you know, he is that monster. I feel like everything you and everything you read about Trump also, like, amongst people who are in that, like, elite circle who were forced to kind of interact with him, like they hate him. Like, he's like the smelly kid who shows up at the party. Like, really? People said that, like, oh, he like, kinda had a bad smell, you know, had a bad smell to him. And he was like, so what's going on? Like, you can even see in that video that they always play of him together where Donald shows up and he's kinda doing the little dance. It's like the guy at the party who's like that everybody else, like, kinda has to put up because, like, he, you know, he's sort of like in the circle, but he's super obnoxious. It's like, it makes sense that he's like, dude, Donald's the fucking worst. He was over all the time, dude, I fucking hated him. We all have that friend who's like, over all the time, you know, who's.

[Liv Acar]

Like our really good friend.

[Jake Rakatansky]

But like, oh, my God, we can't stand them. And the moment somebody else in the group is like being like, oh, hey, I'm down to talk shit about this person, you're like, oh, fuck yeah, let's talk shit about this guy. Like, that's everything that you've heard about Donald Trump basically, before he became president, as to like, how he was sort of like, regarded in these circles. So all of this to me just feels like petty rich guy bullshit. Like Epstein wanting to look like he's in super control. Oh, yeah, I fucking end careers if I wanted to.

[Travis View]

Yeah, yeah. That's a caveat to the like, total conspiracy theorist. Victory here is like, of course Epstein wants to see himself as a guy who's that powerful. I guess that's traps like, you have to take it from the context of Epstein is the one who's reporting these sort of things. And he's like, yeah, yeah, no, I fucking. I have influenced over all those people.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. Oh, oh, I'll get you. I'll hook you up with.

[Travis View]

That could be an exaggeration. It's hard to sound reliable narrator. As Travis said.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like one of those guys who fucking did nothing with his life. He like, what? He like failed out of being a teacher, right? And then he just all of a sudden was like a quote unquote financier, like rich, unexplainable rich guy essentially.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, very strange.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Like, what did he have? What did he really have? Like, he didn't have a cool media company. Like, you know, he was famous for, you know, being able to like set up people's like, security system. They were like, oh, Jeff' got the best tech. He essentially was like the pedophile version of like, oh, like so and so always has like the latest lg, you know what I mean? Like the guy whose tech setup is like, you know, slightly elevated, like that's what he, you know, they say that he would like set up for his like friends. Of course he probably, like, he probably allowed himself to become an asset because it like made him feel powerful. Just speculating there, just that last 30 seconds, little bit of speculation. It's okay, we can have it a little every now and again. Just as a little treat spiritually.

[Travis View]

The most like upwardly mobile career path for 30 year old who shows up to high school parties to pick up 17 year olds.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yes.

[Travis View]

It's like, yeah, I'm fucking cool, I'm influent. I'm a Mossad CIA asset.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's like, yeah, totally. That guy who was just, he was just a little too old to be showing up at the parties. It's like Tripp McNeely from Can't Hardly Wait. I don't know if either of you get that reference, but again, the four of you who do are probably will be reaching out to me on social media to say that you got the reference and, and thank you. But it's like that guy who's like a little too drunk, a little too dark and like a little too predatory and like maybe shouldn't be there. That's his vibe to me. That's why I use an imitation of a guy I knew who was like kind of predatory and would get like dark drunk and like he would get into fights and he was my friend and like, but he would get me into all sorts of mischief. And there's a reason that I do that like impression, like when I do my Epstein is because like I just, in all of his communication, you can sense that kind of like dark, immature energy.

[Liv Acar]

In January of 2015, Epstein confided in Wolf about protecting certain associates. He wrote that quote out of respect and love. He had kept a former serious girlfriend out of his legal troubles. This girlfriend wasn't named, but Epstein noted that this girlfriend travel with me everywhere.

[Jake Rakatansky]

She knows Bill Clinton was never on the island. No sex with Stephen Hawking and no sex with the Hoodborough Iraq. As he was also never on the island. He emphasized that Clinton was never, ever there. Never.

[Liv Acar]

And asks Wolf's advice on who should break the story to clear up rumors. Now, what caveat is true? There is no evidence that. That Clinton ever set foot on Little St. James, but he did fly on Epstein's private jet 27 times between 2002 and 2003.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like, well, I'll tell you what, you, Jeff, too risky for me to step on the island with Hillary and Chelsea and everything going on in my life. I really can't be on the island. But I'll tell you what. Got an idea. He's like, I've got an idea how we can get to these women. He's like, you can pick me up in the plane. We can fly back. We can fly back forth the plane camp. The plane will be my island, See, because we can record as many. As many trips as well. But then I'll never have stepped foot. If they ever come calling, if the farmer ever comes knocking, looking for his seeds, you know, I could say I was never there. You know, just on the plane.

[Travis View]

Right, Exactly.

[Liv Acar]

Wolf provided feedback on various Epstein predicaments. When Epstein learned that Reuters was preparing a story about a lawsuit accusing Epstein of Trump of raping an underage girl. It was a 2016 Jane Doe lawsuit that was later withdrawn. But Wolf wrote this about this potential story. Well, I guess if there's anybody who can wave this away, it's Donald. Wolf then offered, let me know if there's anything I can do. Ugh, Fuck. What? It's weird.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, my God. He must. He must sleep on, like a. On a bed of slime.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah. Epstein's emails also include exchanges with Prince Andrew, who is referred to as the Duke in some instances.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, no.

[Travis View]

Yeah, the Duke.

[Jake Rakatansky]

The Duke. Oh, my God.

[Liv Acar]

So this was at the height of Andrew's scandal over Virginia Giuffre's accusations against Prince Andrew. In March of 2011, Epstein forwarded Andrew an alert about an upcoming Daily Mail story on Giuffre's claims against him. Andrew replied, this.

[Travis View]

What? I don't know any of this. How are you responding?

[Liv Acar]

Epstein responded that his lawyers would send a letter and then said, strangely, I'm.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Not sure how to respond. The only person she didn't have sex with was Elvis.

[Travis View]

Jesus.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, that's pretty fucking awful.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Awful. Awful. These guys, it's like the worst. The deepest, darkest fraternity brothers, like, all on email together, like, raping.

[Liv Acar]

Andrew also emailed Elaine Maxwell, who forwarded it to Epstein urgently insisting, you must.

[Travis View]

Say in all caps, I know nothing about Any of these allegations. This has nothing to do with me. I can't take any more of this.

[Liv Acar]

Jesus. Well, it's like, yeah, what a weird. Doesn't have the stomach for being part of the, you know, fucking. The sex cabal, you must say.

[Travis View]

Yeah, that makes sense that the royalty would get especially spooked about it.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, well, he's getting kicked out, isn't he? I mean, he's getting tossed. Tossed into the Holiday Inn.

[Travis View]

Yeah, he's not Prince Andrew anymore. They use his full name, don't they?

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, he gets like a middle and a last name now.

[Travis View]

Yeah, yeah, because he's not the prince.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Damn. It's like kind of like losing your wings as an angel or something.

[Travis View]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Damn, that sucks. I wonder what's going to happen to him. He's going to become like some sort of weird Piers Morgan type, probably.

[Liv Acar]

Epstein also corresponded in 2018, 2019 with Steve Bannon, the former White House strategist and influential right wing podcaster. In 2018, Epstein offered to leverage his international context for Bannon saying this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

There are many leaders of countries we can organize for you to have one on ones with.

[Liv Acar]

It's like, if, like this is apparently this is response to Bannon potentially traveling to Europe. Europe. Epstein also advised this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

If you were going to play here, you'll have to spend some time. Europe by remote doesn't work.

[Liv Acar]

I was always like fucking advising, like, like recently, 2000. It's like, oh, yeah, of course. I got contacts all over Europe. Let me show you how it works.

[Travis View]

Yeah, you have to assume because again, you know, the caveat of like, Epstein is obviously like, you know, overemphasizing his own importance. But like, they're all coming to him for this. So it's not like he doesn't probably have contacts all across Europe. He's like, yeah, this is how European politicians like to do it. As I hang out with them all this, you know, so much.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, he's such a fucking piece of shit. He says if you want to play here, like, you want to play in the sandbox. What if, like, you want to play here, like, what? He's such a loser. That's what I'm saying. Like, he was so, so much of a loser that he became so good at like, manipulating and like capturing women. Like, essentially because that was the only way that it would work and he was good at it. That the other fudgeing elite losers were especially look at Donald Trump. The losers of them all was like, Jeff is get away with women you know, like, he's got it. It's like that. The fraternity of losers, you know, I won't get into that.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, it's like one thing you really get is through this is that like. Yeah, it's like these are all fucking like awkward weirdos, all of them. You can't fucking spell. You're very confused about how things work very frequently.

[Donald Trump]

It's.

[Liv Acar]

I don't know, it's disappointing.

[Travis View]

Yeah, he's a professional loser. It's just. Yeah, how do you make the most money, like harassing high school girls?

[Jake Rakatansky]

And they all hate Trump the most because he's the biggest loser, but he's got actual real power and, like, has the ability to really make them make a shit ton of money if they, you know, kind of hold their noses, you know, while. While he talks to them.

[Liv Acar]

The 2018 emails also seem to show Epstein helping Bannon devise a defense of Trump's administration's policies, which I think is interesting because he went from, yeah, I could totally take him down. He's so awful. But what happened is that when Trump started talking about tax cuts, he all of a sudden started devising strategies to help this policy. So basically he wrote the Bannon aiming to rebut critics who said that the tax cuts mainly benefited the rich. Epstein said this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

We can discuss the response to tax cut criticism. The 83% to the rich is misleading by miles. Cash back, pension funds up.

[Liv Acar]

I mean, if there's anything like really more emblematic of American politics, it's a notorious billionaire pedophile trying to devise a strategy to make people believe that tax cuts won't mainly benefit the rich.

[Travis View]

Yeah, he really is the average, like billionaire. Epstein is a perfect, a perfect amalgamation of all of them norms guy. But, but like, he's like, well, Trump is fine because, you know, tax cuts.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Because he's like, easy to manipulate and he has no moral code whatsoever. Like, this is exactly who you want.

[Liv Acar]

Epstein also kept Bannon appraised of his interactions with other members of the ultra wealthy Trump adjacent circle, effectively networking through Bannon. In a message on August 18, 2018.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Epstein gave Bannon this heads up message on back Wednesday. Deal. Coming.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, Thiel. Yeah, Peter. I'm meeting with Peter Thiel, just so you know. So we're gonna be hanging out with you, me, Peter Thiel. Let's do it. So despite their frequent communication, both Epstein and Bannon they appeared aware of the need for secrecy. Their messages show conscious efforts to AVO public detection when meeting in person.

[Travis View]

Which is so funny because like, why are you emailing then? It's like the worst. It's like the least secure way of communicating. Yeah. Get a download Signal existed in 2018, didn't it?

[Jake Rakatansky]

Like, it's like, Jeffy do crime. Jeffy doing crime with his friends.

[Liv Acar]

On August 23, 2018, Epstein suggested an in person get together while he was in New York City writing this BT dub.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I'm in New York tonight through Saturday if you want to visit under the COVID of darkness or have breakfast tomorrow if you like fucking.

[Liv Acar]

It's like, we could meet, you know, under the darkness of the new moon, if that's chill with you.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like, I could show up at your place with rubber gloves and a fucking body bag if you want.

[Liv Acar]

So Bannon's response, like, raised security concerns. So this is what Bannon's said.

[Travis View]

Do you have access? That's not the front door. They have 247 surveillance on you.

[Liv Acar]

He's like, you know, you are a notorious criminal, so you're being surveilled. So, like, do you have a, like a better entrance for me?

[Jake Rakatansky]

And he's not even spelling Y o W. He's using the letter U on both.

[Liv Acar]

Epstein offered to come to Bannon instead, but also proposed a covert entry to his own property, writing this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

There's also a rear entrance on 67th street, if you prefer. Super secure.

[Liv Acar]

He added this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Someone can meet you and take you in in.

[Liv Acar]

So they're, they're making these secret ways.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I know this is. So like, one of the brothers will meet you through the back door of the kitchen. There are late plates available.

[Liv Acar]

Now this is really interesting. So the last known communication between Bannon and Epstein took place on July 6, 2019, which was the very day that Epstein was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges in New Jersey. So in the morning, just hours before the arrest, Epstein and Bannon were like, they were actively texting about logistics for a documentary project that was.

[Travis View]

Was.

[Liv Acar]

This is. This is insane. To rehabilitate Epstein's image.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, my God.

[Travis View]

I want to see the alternate universe where Epstein isn't charged and you get one of the, like, kind of mega universe style documentaries about how Epstein is actually innocent. Yeah, like, we would do an episode on that.

[Jake Rakatansky]

That would be a good. That'd be a good future QAA episode. Who knows? Maybe the polls will. Will flip.

[Liv Acar]

So Bannon was eager to press ahead with the filming of this documentary and ask Epstein this if we can arrange.

[Travis View]

It, can we film on the island?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Liv Acar]

This is referring to Little St. James, the. Yes, the pedophile island.

[Travis View]

Brandon is asking if he can go to the island.

[Liv Acar]

This is like, one of Trump's main, like, boosters, advisor to the White House, asking Epstein in 2018 Again, fairly recently, could we go to the island, maybe.

[Jake Rakatansky]

You know, which if you're trying to rehab, like, Epstein's image, like, that would be good to go to the island and be like, go into the temple or whatever and be like, look, it's just like a bunch of. Of, like, arcade machines. Or like he collects. He collects, like, old, like, vintage, like, penny slots or something like that. And you could be like, oh, all right. Well, maybe there's like, all right, well, this seems like a little bit more harmless.

[Liv Acar]

But the crazy thing was is that Epstein agreed. He texted back, yes. And then they discussed meeting late that morning to continue work. Epstein suggested, can we do late morning.

[Travis View]

Say 11am he's on the podcaster sleep schedule. Like, no, I can't do nine. I'm not up yet.

[Liv Acar]

So Bannon, presumably awaiting Epstein's arrival for a filming session, later, texted at 4:37pm.

[Travis View]

You are the letter are not coming in question mark.

[Liv Acar]

And he received no reply. Unbeknownst to Bannon, by that time, Epstein had been taken into custody by FBI agents at Teeterborough Airport around 4pm after returning from Paris.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like, in the. In the back of the police van, handcuffed, and he's like, oh, fuck, Bannon.

[Liv Acar]

I mean, yeah, this is. I mean, this is crazy because it's like, yeah, they were fucking, like, texting mere hours before he was taken in by the FBI.

[Travis View]

Yeah, and it's also like, I remember the political climate around Epstein at that time, because that was one of the big conspiracies I was into is like, explaining to someone, Jeffrey Epstein, in, like, 2017, and being like, no, no, trust me, it's like, real. It, like, sounds silly, but it's real. Like, there's no. It's so horrifically bad in fucking 2018. 2019. To be like, 2019. To be like, yeah, yeah. No, it's also beyond it being bad. It's so incredibly stupid to think you can do that, to pull that off.

[Liv Acar]

I mean, these guys, they was like, they are so fucking arrogant. They thought, regardless of what you did, regardless of the fact that he was literally a registered sex offender, and there's lots of really damning reporting about him by this point. Thought, I can recover from this and BCN is a cool guy again, yet he really thinks. Thought that he was totally untouchable. And even if he was Touched, I guess. Like, you know, if he was arrested, if. Even if his reputation was harmed in some way, it was recoverable.

[Jake Rakatansky]

That's like these. These people and the amount of money they have, they're like different species than us because they're just like, oh, no problem. Like, I'll just buy my way out of this. Like, I don't ever have to face, like, any real. Like, I've never actually had to face any kind of consequences ever.

[Travis View]

You would think, like, someone who is, like, a bit smarter. And I'd like. I assumed that this was the elite attitude at this point. If you're Epstein, it's just like, I gotta lay low, right? Like, I've been burned. You know, you can't. You can't be doing all that anymore. Just like, lay low. You have a shit ton of money. But no, they were like, no, no. The comeback tour, like, let's do it.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Even, like, low level, like, mobsters know that. Like, they're like, yeah, we got to get out of town for a couple of weeks. Be like, lay low for. Lay low for the rest of the season. Be like, nice. Stay with your mother. You know, like, they over. Like, wait, you know, over. You know, like stamp fraud or something like that, you know?

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Liv Acar]

We also have to talk about the Bubba email. This is. This is something that was made, the. Perhaps the most famous exchange. It went viral. Who was talked about, like, on all the comedy shows. It was all over social media. So what happened was, is that in one of the released emails, Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, suggests to ask Steve Bannon if Putin has, quote, the photo of Trump blowing blood. To which Epstein replied, and I thought I had zorus. This is, I guess, Yiddish for trouble is how you pronounce this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Soros.

[Liv Acar]

Okay, all right.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's like woes. It's like. Yeah, it's like a specific kind of, like, social woes.

[Liv Acar]

Oh, okay. So it's a little bit more nuanced and it's meaning interesting.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I don't know. That's always what I thought. That's always what I thought it meant.

[Liv Acar]

So Mark Epstein then responds, you and your boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie Get Home. This is interesting because Get Hard is a comedy film from 2015 starring Will Ferrell and Kevin Hart, about an investment banker who prepares for life in prison.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Damn. I never thought we would be, like, baking a Will Ferrell movie like in Epstein emails. Who directed that?

[Liv Acar]

This is. Oh, fuck. This is. The other interesting thing about Get Hard is that it was directed by Israeli American director Eaton Kohler. Cohen.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, yeah, Etan Cohen. Yeah, I know who that is. I mean, I don't know him personally, but I know of his work.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, people had a lot of fun with this because Bubba so happens to be a common nickname for Bill Clinton. In fact, in the emails themselves, of the cache of emails, Bill Clinton is frequently, I think it was, like, five different times referred to as Bubba. So people said this. So if you, like, really read this, like, if you have that reading of it, it sounds like Epstein is saying that Putin has. Has photos of Donald Trump giving Bill Clinton fellatio, you know, which is obviously ludicrous. And then people further claim that Ghislaine Maxwell once owned a horse named Bubba, which, as far as I could. Which, you know, would be even funnier because it means that Trump blew a horse. But as far as I can tell, this one's just an Internet rumor. This. This one's just made up.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Do we know? Maybe. Maybe it's a. It's like an inside joke that they had. There's a. My friends have a series of photographs, like, from when we all lived together. We had a pool, and I took a series of, like, mostly nude photographs, like, out by the pool wearing a proton pack, just for, like, giggles. We were, like, really kind of, like, fucked up that day. And so, like, we always are like, oh, the proton pack photo shoot. You know, it's like kind of a thing. Like, maybe Trump pretended to blow Bill Clinton. I don't know. Like, could be some sort of inside joke.

[Travis View]

Maybe the most insane part of it is the, like, the Putin having photos of Trump performing a sexual act. Like, the implication there. I don't know. It could be like a Russiagate joke, because it's in. It's from 2018.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, it does. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. So Mark Epstein himself, he, like, he actually responded to the speculation, but not by offering a lot of details beyond denial of the claim that Bubba was referring to Clinton.

[Travis View]

I remember seeing the quote. He was, like, angry about it, and it's like, you can't be on your moral high horse about this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

He's like, no, it's clear you're in the email.

[Travis View]

The contents of this are private, and it's like, you're Jeffrey Epstein's brother. I know.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Exactly.

[Liv Acar]

Here's what Mark Epstein told News Nation.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I'm not discussing that email.

[Liv Acar]

This is a private email between Jeffrey.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And myself, his two brothers, talking. It's nobody's business what we wrote.

[Donald Trump]

The only thing I responded to because.

[Liv Acar]

People got crazy with the bubble reference.

[Donald Trump]

And they try to pin it on Clinton. So I made a public statement that.

[Liv Acar]

It was not any reference to Bill Clinton.

[Donald Trump]

I liked, okay, Clinton, and I didn't want. I'm sorry for him that he had to go through that.

[Liv Acar]

But the emails had nothing to do with Clinton. And that's my last word on that email. It's like, well, why don't you just say, like. Like, you're right. It could just be like a. Like, just a joke. Like, aha, this is the kind of, like, blackmail material Putin may have. Or this is the kind of blackmail material that, like, crazy Democrats are saying that Putin has on Trump or something. Why don't you just say it's a joke? Not like, this is private. It's not Clinton. Not going to say who it is, though.

[Travis View]

Yeah, it is very, like, people are very bad a lot of the times at, like, thinking about what would make conspiracy theorists go more insane in this context. We're all conspiracy theorists. It's like, that one isn't. None of this response is reassuring, and none of this will have the effect that you want it to have. Like, did he think everyone was going to be like, oh, okay, sorry. I guess it is. I guess I didn't think about the fact that it is a private email. And it's kind of inconsiderate of me to want to know who Bubba is. Like, no, it's the president, like, talking about Epstein.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And it also implies that Bannon is, like, in contact with Putin. Being like, oh, you're with Bannon. Ask him if Putin has the Trump blowjob pics. It could be, you know, it could be Trump blowing bubbles, maybe with a bubble machine.

[Liv Acar]

Here's the thing. It's like, there's lots. Obviously, obviously. I think it's ludicrous, mostly because I believe Bill Clinton and Donald Trump would be very discreet about their lovemaking. They would not photograph it. That's too crude.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, I just.

[Travis View]

I love the someone. Was it a tinger mentum? Izzy's been on the podcast once, was talking, was baking the big, beautiful bill.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

What does that mean?

[Jake Rakatansky]

Oh, I mean, essentially, if that's real, then QAnon is right, is that they're all talking in code, in public, and they're all talking about the devious sex things that they're doing behind the backs, and they're all in league and they're all a part of the cabal, and they're gay and they're blowing each other other. And Trump's compromise To you know what I mean? Like, that. Yeah.

[Liv Acar]

My read on it is like. Like, it just seems like a crude joke, but, like, my explanation is kind of like, kind of like screwed up by, like, Mark Epstein's weird sort of denial of it. It was a statement that added more confusion than clarity.

[Travis View]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

And we'll never fucking know. And once, I think a lot of people online had, like, kind of a homophobic joke that they could instantly kind of like, you know, sort of like press Trump into, like, they just went with it. Like, if you look online, like, on, like, blue sky and shit, it is settled science that Trump blew Bill Clinton just because that's, like, the most degrade for whatever reason. They think that's, like, the most degrading thing because they want to imagine Trump so degraded because that makes it, like, not so bad that he still has absolute power over us.

[Travis View]

Yeah, this one was. It did feel like a return of, you know, the level of like, was it last month, two months ago of like, Bella Chow is a. Is actually a groiper song. But it didn't feel like it was worth it on this one. It's like, oh, get your. Get your jokes in, whatever.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, it's like the couch fucking stuff. It's like, they love this. They love. They love weird, you know, weird kink. Kink shaming, you know, gay shaming, whatever it is, because they think that their enemies hate it because they're Christian. So they're like, ah, you'll. You hate any the most.

[Travis View]

The worst one, overwhelmingly was that Elon Musk is, like. What was it? Elon Musk is like the wife of Donald Trump and he's transgender.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

And they're, you know, that was the. That was the classic. That was classic. Like, blue sky lip homophobia.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. They just. They got confused and they started copying from them to try to own the MAGA people. They started, like, copying it and, like, filling. Doing their own kind of like Mad Libs, but just subbing in different people. And they didn't realize they were also adopting their, like, hatred, their racism, their homophobia. Just you, like, borrowed the style. You borrowed the style, and it's making your substance worse.

[Travis View]

That was the most absurd one recently. And I mean, I think that they were libs engaging with this. There were definitely conservatives ironically doing. It was like talking about how Arian Newsome is in his family because it's like he's an incredibly white looking. And they're being like, oh, well, J.D. vance is like an Indian wife, mixed kids. It's like Yeah, I mean, that would piss him off, I guess. But it's also like, I don't know, maybe go a bit too hard into that.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. What are we even doing? Look at this. We have these emails and we're gonna get. Actually nothing. Actually nothing will come up. This. But here we are with this string of emails and he's saying he had cirrus, which is so weird because that's something that my grandparents would say, like, oh, cirrus. Yeah, like you tried. Oh my God. And they're referencing get hard and they're like, does Putin have compromise and fucking? He signs. Mark Epstein signs his emails with sent via tin can and string. So he's got like a cute little, like sign off as he's on with his brother. Pedophile. Why do we have access to this if we can't get the whole fucking thing? I think either give us all of it or give us none of it. We can't have a limited amount of information. We can't have this like a small, a small sliver of the pie, you know. Sorry, please continue. I just, I can't believe, I can't believe we're reading through all this stuff again. It feels like we're always going to be unearthing a trove of Epstein documents.

[Liv Acar]

Now, obviously there are many who are like reasonably skeptical about the existence of a photo of Trump blowing Bill Clinton. And among them is Alex Jones.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, there's no video of President Trump. Trump sucking a ding dong.

[Liv Acar]

And so what if there was?

[Donald Trump]

That's a lot better than World War iii.

[Liv Acar]

Owen.

[Donald Trump]

I never sucked any ding dongs, but.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I'll tell you, if they were going.

[Liv Acar]

To blackmail me to start World War.

[Donald Trump]

Iii, about one, I'd say, hey, I sucked a ball, golf ball through a freaking garden hose.

[Travis View]

Also, Alex Jones is absolutely sucked to penis. He's insane chaser transport on his phone. Like, it was ridiculous.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I think this is kind of a base take. Like, so what? You know what? So what if he did. So what if he sucked off Bill Clinton?

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Liv Acar]

I was like, what? Two grown men sharing a moment of intimacy. Funny to you?

[Travis View]

Exactly. No, he's right.

[Jake Rakatansky]

So what?

[Travis View]

I also, I love the, the wide view pop up shot of his, like henchman's reaction to him saying, so what if he sucked Sting John.

[Liv Acar]

But you know what's amazing is that like we don't know what it's like. I would like to tell you for sure what this Bubba email was, but we don't. It's like there's, there's level of unknown, I.e. we just can't cross. So there's, like, one sense you can choose to believe what you want because, like, no one can prove it false. And, you know, there's lots of, like, amazing tiktoks, like, joking about this. And I came across one that, like, expressed, I think, a really interesting sentiment, which is that the. The Tick tocker didn't really care if the claim was true because we live in an information environment where people just constantly say ludicrous things. So she felt like she just wanted to be. Wanted to do it, too. Yeah. She wanted to take part.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I understand. I understand that.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's like. It's like, if you'll never know for sure, why not just believe the thing that is the most affirming or that makes you the happiest at the very least, like, because oftentimes the reality is just so much more mundane. Like, this actually might be true, but in a boring way where, like, they were at some party and, like, Trump, like, you know, took to, like, hit the joint a little bit too hard and, like, got really silly and. And, like, put his. And he's like, oh, Malika Lewinsky, I'm pretty. I'm Monica. Look at me.

[Travis View]

I'm.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Look at me. I'm Monica. And, like, got down on his knees and, like, you know, like, you know, for a goofy picture with the fellas goofing around and they got a couple photos of it, or he's like, put makeup on me, and I'll be manic for the night, you know? You know, I mean, weird guys do weird things at fraternity parties and stuff. And, like, it might be, like, kind of true. Like, there. Maybe Epstein does have a foot, but Bubba could be, like, a statue of a fish, you know, and it's like a statue of a fish that's in one of Epstein's place. And, like, Trump got, like, a little bit. He, like, ate too much of the edible. You know, like, too many edibles one night, and he's like, bubba the fish. He goes, oh, look, I'm blowing the fish. You know what I mean? And they've got photos of it. It's like, you never. You never know. And oftentimes the truth is just. Is so much more boring and not nearly as dramatic as we get. You know, we speculate until we find out what's real.

[Liv Acar]

This is. Yeah, this is what this TikTok said.

[Jake Rakatansky]

So I don't care if the Bill Clinton, Donald Trump thing isn't true. It's true to me, okay? If people can believe that raw milk is good for you and that vaccines are bad for you and that God in heaven told them to not celebrate Halloween, then I can believe that Donald Trump blew Bill Clinton. I can do that. If they can believe that there are.

[Liv Acar]

Lizard people running the world, I can.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Believe that he's Samsung Spin Wash Bill Clinton. I can 100. Oh, so suddenly we can't believe things now?

[Travis View]

Yeah, I mean, everyone. Everyone is just QAnon. You might as well like, if you're gonna be QAnon, you might as well be it in just like a kind of silly, harmless way.

[Jake Rakatansky]

But see, here's something interesting. She seems like a normal, reasonable person that you might meet on the street. Why is she lying? You know what I choose to believe, and because I'm believing it, I've probably imagined it a couple of times. Times is like fat old Donald Trump with Bill Clinton's dick in his mouth. Like, why would you. Like, yeah, that's the belief. And that's like, what? Why would you want to imagine that?

[Travis View]

Sort of funny.

[Liv Acar]

It's funny, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah.

[Liv Acar]

Like what?

[Jake Rakatansky]

All guys blowing each other. Like, what's funny about that?

[Liv Acar]

You know, you're saying. You're not saying. It's a little funny to imagine Bill Clinton tapping it on Trump's tongue, putting.

[Travis View]

The party in lemon party.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I think I do have to say that it's hard not to wanna do some kind of bit where I'm doing Bill Clinton in that position. But I'll spare our listeners. So I guess, yeah, it's kind of funny. But so is the couch fucking. So is all of it. It's funny, but as Travis always says, it doesn't take away any power. It doesn't take away any real power. All it does is take away the power that you have in your mind about that person.

[Liv Acar]

So how did the conspiracists and QAnon community react to the recent release of Epstein emails and documents? So, on Truth social, President Trump himself set the tone. Immediately after the House Democrats publicized the Epstein emails, Trump blasted the revelations as a hoax. In a true social post, he accused Democrats of trying to bring up the.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Jeffrey Epstein hoax again because they'll do anything at all to deflect on how badly they've done on the show.

[Liv Acar]

So QAnon promoter Zach Payne offered his interpretation of the Dog that hasn't barked email. He claimed that it actually affirmed the theory that Trump did nothing wrong in relation to Epstein and that Trump was actually some kind of Epstein whistleblower.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Of course, this is what it has.

[Travis View]

To be, you know, a whistle blowing is very similar to not barking this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Email, which doesn't even say anything about Donald Trump having done something bad. In. In fact, it's questioning why it is that Donald Trump's name has not come up in any respect. It's not because Donald Trump had done something inappropriate with Virginia Jeffrey, but it's likely because Donald Trump was the whistleblower that was responsible for Jeffrey Epstein getting wrapped up in the case in the first place. The dog that hasn't barked is Trump. The reason he hasn't been mentioned is not because he. Not because he did something wrong and was paying people off off, but because he didn't do anything wrong. And he also went to the police and the FBI about this entire thing. I'm sure you remember Speaker Mike Johnson saying Donald Trump was an FBI whistleblower.

[Travis View]

Yeah. No. Barking is when you make noise about a thing and are not involved. Yeah, yeah. QAnon people have went through much greater hoops, leave too much greater hoops than whatever. Weird, admittedly, as we said, ambiguous. Justifying their interpretation. What it is like with kind of weird, admittedly ambiguous phrasing, you know, should be no surprise. It is like, you know, because it is a shame that like, Epstein is so, like, poorly articulate and like, unable to. That we don't just have a thing where he's just like, yeah, he fucked them kids.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah. All the evidence that they recovered from his various properties, they're just like, we'll release his like, misspellings in like 2000 of his emails where he's like, Haha, McDonald's Happy Meal driving through with Bannon.

[Travis View]

Yeah, the email where it does like, admit that Trump is complicit, but like, Epstein was trying to be cool. He's just trying to sound epic and like, worldly and like he knows references. So it just makes it like, confusing. It'll never be, I don't know, it'll never be perfect. Somehow you would think something would fucking come out. I mean, I don't know. This is pretty definitive still.

[Liv Acar]

But now, what about Trump's claim that the Epstein case is a hoax? Now this is confusing because, like, you know, the many sort of like, conspiratorial Trump supporters, you know, are some of the most vocal about the Epstein case under the belief that it will hurt primarily Democrats or maybe even corrupt Republicans, but leave Trump unharmed. But now he's like, he's railing against the Epstein. What does he mean by hoax? That's like, ambiguous. It doesn't. Doesn't. He doesn't quite clarify what he means by that. So QAnon promoter burning bright had an interesting theory which he expressed to fellow QAnon promoter John Herald, is that by hoax, Trump may be referring to the idea that Epstein tried to entrap Trump at 2011 but failed. And since then, an exaggerated narrative about the Epstein case has been promoted in order to smear Trump.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's just a lot of extra shit. It's like he's saying, these fuckers tried to compromise me in 2011, so they're pulling a hoax then. And since that didn't work, they concocted. They meaning the whole media apparatus has concocted this whole mythology around Jeffrey Epstein specifically to tie me into it. Which I think is more what you're suggesting. Suggesting. That seems to be what Trump is suggesting by a lot of his posts. If he's not just purely rugging everybody saying it's a hoax.

[Travis View]

Rugging.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it could simultaneously be true that Epstein and Maxwell were intel operators attempting to compromise Donald Trump and be true that a lot of the story we've been told about them is not true and was seeded into the community. Right. Because if they couldn't Compromise him in 11 based on all that stuff, does the deep State then burn an asset like Jeffrey Epstein and try to try to draw Trump into the story about this massive cover up? Because it's certainly kind of what it looks like in hindsight.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, to me. To me, that's what's happening. And this email, I think Cancer made the point this morning that makes Trump.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Definitely sound like, like an asset and FBI informant.

[Travis View]

What's even the point of Q and on? Like you're so obsessed, obsessed with like holding the pedophiles accountable that you're like, maybe this Jeffrey Epstein guys, like, not as bad as they say he is. I know.

[Liv Acar]

It's like you're so, you're so in the Q dot. This is like, like a real, like qanon horseshoe theory. You've come so far around, like, maybe the media has been promoting like an exaggerated story of Epstein.

[Travis View]

Yeah, the, the, the real evil people is it's Chrissy Teigen, not Jeff. Jeffrey Epstein.

[Liv Acar]

Jesus.

[Travis View]

Yeah, that's the one you really have to focus on.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, it's like, yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Really?

[Liv Acar]

It's like, yes, Tom Hanks. It's not, it's not, it's not fucking Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I watched that clip and I'm like, it's just Two white guys in their late 30s, potentially early 40s, telling you what they think. Just like two guys being like, yeah, well, it's just like two guys around a kitchen island. They stayed too late at the party. Like, guys that are just, like, posted up, like, elbows up. Being like, I'll have another beer. Oh, you got there. There are more beers. Oh, I'll stay for a while. And then they're just like, yeah. And what do you think about, like, there's no reason we should be listening to these guys. What authority do they have at all? It's just two white guys in their early 40s talking about theories.

[Liv Acar]

Now, this isn't over, actually. Just today, the day we're recording this, House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to pass legislation to compel the Justice Department to release all of its records related to Epstein. And the Senate approved unanimous consent that the measure passed there, which means that it just has to be sent to Trump's desk, who actually, in a recent reversal of his stance, has signaled that he will sign it into law, which is, I think, an interesting. Which makes me believe there's going to be. It's going to be more bullshit, more confusing nonsense, nothing that incriminating. Trump must have got word that, like, whatever. Whatever is to be released by this legislation can't be that damning to him, otherwise he wouldn't have signaled that it's okay. But, yeah, so that's. That's where we are now with, like, we have some documents. It's some interesting things. It reveals some sort of, like, information gaps and what we know about Epstein's connections, but it's like, not. It's not telling the whole story. We know there's more there and like, like, we have the continued promise that the future document dumps will maybe would give us a more complete p. But of course, you know, we just don't know.

[Travis View]

Yeah, it's my understanding, is it Pam Bondiji is able to redact things in the release related to, among other things, national security.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Travis View]

Best ongoing investigations, protecting, you know, any victims. That is, you know, I wouldn't be too hopeful about this. I feel like that's my. Yeah, that's my general advice to the listener about politics, but also about this.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, this is like the hot dog standing next to the car crash, starting the accident investigation committee being like, absolutely. Be like, I'm calling for full transparency. I don't know. It's a weird move. Yeah, it's a weird move. Of course, the QAnon bakers, the old school guys like Cates, are Like, oh, he's been. He knows it's gonna be a bombshell, and so he's been playing coy and calling it a hoax to get the Democrats to demand the release, basically because he's gonna trick them. It's all always about Trump tricking the Democrats into, like, doing something. And therefore, because he did it on purpose, there's no way that the information in there could, you know, be damning for him. And if anything, it's going to start triggering. It's going to be the, you know, the trigger of the storm.

[Travis View]

Yeah, right.

[Jake Rakatansky]

They're still happy, they're still doing great, and they're winning.

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

This.

[Liv Acar]

This explanation is always weird to me. It's like. Like, Republicans control the whole of government, but still, it's like Trump needs to play 5D chess in order to trick and lure and trap the Democrats left and right. It's like fucking. It's like. It's like they're still acting like the, you know, the underground guerrilla fighters when they have all the power.

[Travis View]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

I wonder how they're gonna keep this up for the next, like, three years. So much. So much stuff already. The Epstein, from going from Epstein hoax to, you know, Epstein Transparency act to all these new emails, to lots of mentions of Donald Trump, like, oh, God, this is just. We're still in the first year.

[Liv Acar]

Yeah.

[Jake Rakatansky]

How are we going to. How are we.

[Liv Acar]

I'm sure, like. Like, Trump's team is like. Is, like, asking the same thing. It's like, like, all right, we just need to keep stringing people along this. This fucking. This Epstein bullshit for the next three years. We just need to find out with a. Feed them slop and, like, give them. Give them, like, y' all thousands of thousands of documents to chew over once in a while. And then, like, they'll. They'll feel like they're being productive. They'll feel. They'll sound like. It's like things are being exposed even while we, like, we, you know, we just work, you know, ethnically cleansing the country and cutting taxes.

[Travis View]

We're reaching levels of like, Brandon. That have never been seen before. I think, like, 2022. Joseph Biden of like, there is no. There is no recession. The inflation isn't real. Like, shut the fuck up. That is the Trump line. Inflation is not real. Shut the fuck up.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Did you guys see the. On the plane today, a reporter was trying to ask a question. He was like, quiet, piggy.

[Travis View]

Called her piggy because he was asking about inflation. It's a winning strategy, folks.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Unreal. This guy Is like, you have to actually, you have to have a galaxy brain to still, to still support him, kind of. Because, like, it's so. There have been so many off ramps, and if you're still here and you're watching them, go, quiet pig. You know, I'd like a plane to a reporter. You know, you've got to. And you said, you know, that Biden was, you know, you. For four years, you were like, joseph Biden is fucking, you know, Sleepy Joe and he's pooping his pants and all this stuff. Like, can't feel good. It can't feel good. It has to be part of something. It has to end in Jesus coming back. Actually, Travis just went, okay, all right, all right. But really, it doesn't have to. It's so bad. You've had to convince yourself of such slop to make it through as a Trump and Maga supporter for 8 or 12, however many years. Cause, like, we'll count Biden's presidency, too, and now for another. Another three years.

[Liv Acar]

I know.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Goodness.

[Liv Acar]

I just think that's the man who's teaching us Yiddish words, is pining for Jesus's return.

[Jake Rakatansky]

If you're following politics, like, at any kind of frequency, jokes on you, you're miserable. No matter who you are, you're miserable and you're. You have to detach further and further from reality to buy what these people are trying to sell you.

[Travis View]

Yeah, no, it's. It's only going to get worse and they're only going to get more pedophile. Felix, in summary.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Yeah, I just. If everybody's got the, Got the hoots, that's. I'm so sick of people being like, oh, this is the dump. It's like we've been saying this for years. I remember, like, I had a foolish belief that, like, Trump wouldn't even make it, wouldn't even be able to take office in 2017. Whatever. 20, you know, after. After the 2016 election. Because there was like, so much talk like, oh, he won't. He'll be a race. Arrested beforehand. Oh, there's all this stuff that's coming out, all this audio. So it seemed like I was told he was basically, you know, it was going to be a failure to launch. And here we are, however many years, well, well into a decade into the Trump era. Like, I just, I feel like I'm withering away at, like, the base of like, like a dead tree. Like, you know what I mean? It just. How could we possibly go any for another year, let alone two, three years?

[Liv Acar]

Well, we'll find out.

[Jake Rakatansky]

All right, thanks for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.comqaa and subscribe for five bucks a month to get a whole second episode every single week, plus access to our entire archive of premium episodes. Liv, where can people find more of your stuff?

[Travis View]

Yeah, I stream three days a week on Twitch. Talking about politics. Twitch tv, the Vegar. Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday at around noon Pacific.

[Jake Rakatansky]

It's the, it's, it's the only place to, to discuss politics and not feel totally drained of your soul. So if you're, if you're itching to, to engage in the, in modern political discussion, go watch livestream. Thank you for everything else. We got a website, qaapodcast.com listener until next week. May the deep dish bless you and keep you. We have auto keyed content based on your preferences tomorrow. I just want to be super clear on your position. Do you want to see that pass the Senate? Would you sign that bill if it gets to your desk?

[Donald Trump]

I do want to. Here's what I want. We have nothing to do with Epstein. The Democrats do. All of his friends were Democrats. You look at this Reid Hoffman, you look at Larry Summers, Bill Clinton, they went to his island all the time and many others. They're all Democrats. All I want is, I want for people to recognize a great job that I've done on pricing, on affordability, because we brought prices way down, but they're going way lower on energy, on ending eight wars and another one coming pretty soon. Soon. I believe we've done a great job and I hate to see that deflect from the great job we've done. So I'm all for it. You know, we've already given 50,000 pages. You do know that unfortunately, like with the Kennedy situation, with the Martin Luther King situation, not to put Jeffrey Epstein in the same category, but no matter what we give, it's never enough. You know, with Kennedy, we gave everything and it wasn't enough. With Martin Luther King, we gave everything and it's never enough. We've already given, I believe the number is 50,000 pages. 50,000 pages. And it's just a Russia, Russia, Russia hoax as it pertains to the Republicans. Now, I believe that many of the people that we, some of the people that we mentioned are being looked at very seriously for their relationship to Jeffrey Epstein. But they were with him all the time. I wasn't. I wasn't at all. And we'll see what happens. What I just don't want Epstein to do is detract from the great success of the Republican Party, including the fact that the Democrats are totally blamed for the shutdown. You know, they cost our country hundreds of billions of dollars with that and a lot of inconvenience. So I'm for any. I know they could do whatever they want. We'll give them everything.

[Jake Rakatansky]

Sure.

[Donald Trump]

I would let the Senate look at it, let anybody look at it. But don't talk about it too much, because honestly, I don't want to take it away from us. It's really a Democrat problem. The Democrats were Epstein's friends, all of them. And it's a hoax. The whole thing is a hoax. And I don't want to take it away from really the greatness of what the Republican Party has accomplished over the last period of time. Yes.

[Liv Acar]

Sam.