I’m Over Disclosure (E353)

Summary

QAA Podcast, Episode 353: "I’m Over Disclosure" (Dec 19, 2025)

Hosts: Julian Feeld, Travis View, Jake Rockatansky, Brad Abrahams
Theme: A critical, comedic deep-dive into the modern UFO "Disclosure" movement, the booming “Age of Disclosure” documentary, and the personalities and claims driving public UFO mania.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the recent frenzy around “disclosure”—the belief that governments will soon reveal the truth about UFOs (“UAPs”) and alien contact. The hosts focus on the spectacular success and problematic nature of the breakout documentary Age of Disclosure, dissecting its content, production, and reception. The discussion also touches on the enduring structure of “disclosure” narratives, the adult children of the UFO-industrial complex, and why even true believers are exhausted by the same old tropes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Disclosure Fatigue

• Julian Feeld opens up about his UFO fascination—balancing skepticism and genuine belief, but admitting exhaustion with both contemporary UFO documentaries and the endless anticipation of "disclosure."
• Quote:
  "Even though I'm best known for my film Love and Saucers about an ET experiencer, I don't like watching UFO documentaries, particularly in the TV format... They're just always about the subject of disclosure that the powers that be are just about to reveal the grand secret in any moment. And the truth is I just don't care. I'm over with disclosure." (01:40-02:55)
• Jake sums up the general mood:
  "Here we are, bored out of our skulls. We don't give a shit... I don't give a fuck. If they were announced like tomorrow, that guys, it's real... I would go, wow, the craziest person on the Internet was right. ... It's just another buzzing flies around my head..." (03:24)

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2. The Documentary: "Age of Disclosure"

• Massive hype at SXSW, outsized venue, celebrity attendance, highest grossing doc on Amazon Prime—yet, critically panned by major outlets, with sky-high audience scores.
• Quote:
  The New York Times said anyone who sits through its nearly two hours of unprovable claims is a chump. (08:15)
• Audience disconnect:
  "I started playing on my phone like 15 minutes into it... Every time they come up with something interesting, there's no NASA specialist for that. It's a guy at a board... He's not even wearing a suit." — Jake (07:14)

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3. The Boomerang of Authority: Credentials Over Substance

• The doc leans hard on military, intelligence, and government voices but offers no new proof.
• Host critique:
  "You can believe in some dumb crazy shit; your credentials are irrelevant to your beliefs." — Jake (11:16)
  "So many people serve in the military, there's going to be a decent percent of them that are just insane." — Brad (11:48)
• Montage of officials rattling off service records does not equal evidence.

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4. No New Evidence, Just Recycled Claims

• No new declassified materials; same three Navy UAP videos, endless "talking heads."
• "Show me a ship up close and show me a body. Until then I don't care.” — Jake (14:34)

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5. Disclosure as IQ Test & National Security Threat

• The doc moves from vague possibility (“maybe there are UFOs”) through layers of assertion (“reverse engineering alien tech,” “bodies were recovered”)—but never delivers the goods.
• Notable sequence:
  "There’s sightings... then that these UAPS are confirmed non human intelligence...then these UAPS have crashed and we've recovered them...then a whole other leap...that bodies have been recovered..." — Julian (27:04)
• UFOs are not a source of awe, but a cited reason for more defense funding:

  “The most important aspect of the phenomena is that they're a national security threat, need to be taken seriously because of this and this alone.” — Julian (40:04)

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6. Recurring Characters: Believers, Grifters, & Bureaucrats

• Featured players like Lou Elizondo (whose credentials are disputed), Jay Stratton, Hal Puthoff (ex-Scientologist), Eric Davis, Gary Nolan, Marco Rubio, Dan Crenshaw, James Clapper, and others are presented as authoritative but rarely have firsthand testimony.
• Quote:
  "Once again, a bar owner whose only credential is disputed by the very organization that he claims to belong to is a director of some sort." — Brad (33:22)

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7. The Bubble Theory and Sci-Fi Gobbledygook

• The film’s “breakthrough” is a catch-all “warp bubble” hypothesis for UFO maneuvers—met with skepticism and mockery by hosts.
• Quote:
  "So it's basically the theory is just that there's a magic bubble around the crafts that can do anything." — Julian (49:03)

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8. Religious and Paranoid Overtones

• The doc nods to “demons not aliens” claims in conservative circles, but hosts point out America’s perpetual need for biblical, cosmic significance.
• Lou Elizondo claims a “committee of 27” might assassinate him for what he knows.
  "If I wind up in a month from now floating in the Potomac somewhere, you know what happened." — Lou Elizondo via Brad (60:05)

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9. Mirrors Upon Mirrors: Industrial Complexes & Self-Licking Ice Cream Cones

• Julian draws direct parallels between 1980s disinfo operations (Richard Doty, Majestic 12) and today’s ecosystem of intelligence-adjacent disclosure advocates.
• Quote:
  "A closed ecosystem where the same small network generates claims, validates each other's claims, and then cites those validations as independent confirmation. Which is like a perfect sum up of this movie." — Julian (76:57)
• The "Disclosure Industrial Complex" runs on book deals, podcasts, merch—profitable vested interests outweigh motivation for real revelation.

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10. Community, Culture & Pop/Alt Critique

• The movie is one more installment in a long chain of similar revelations promised "any day now."
• While UFO discourse is theoretically bipartisan, it is, per hosts, "the most pilled of each pool" (18:42).
• The disconnect between high-level credentials and actual reliability is hammered home:

  "We have people with very high jobs in the US government that are either A, liars, B, crazy, or C, telling the truth." — Marco Rubio, quoted by Julian (80:38)

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11. What UFO Content Do the Hosts Actually Like?

• Julian’s recommendations:
  • Mirage Men (2013): A skeptical, well-researched take on government UFO disinfo
  • The Curse of the Man Who Sees UFOs: Small-scale, personal documentary
  • Witness of Another World: Indigenous close encounter story
  • They're Here: Sociological doc (hasn’t found distribution)
  • Love and Saucers: Julian’s own, more humane film
• Stan Romanek: The Stan Romanek Story and Alien Autopsy recommended for their wildness
• YouTube is declared more exciting than Netflix UFO docs (89:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "I would say that this movie should have been about four minutes long and all that footage would have been...already seen on TV." — Brad (09:36)
• "The only difference between this and like a crazy guy’s video on YouTube is that they’ll just go on to say, and that guy was Ubok from the Pleiadian star system..." — Jake (55:55)
• "You have Air Force guys. Like, why aren't they talking about it? Maybe because it ain't true, bitch." — Brad & Julian (46:38-46:56)
• "Disclosure is no longer the definitive proof... But it's the infinite edging of about it, you know, it's about to be revealed." — Jake (47:37)
• "A closed ecosystem ... the same small network generates claims, validates each other's claims, and then cites those validations as independent confirmation." — Julian (76:57)
• "A perpetual mystery is more profitable than solving it." — Julian (77:13)
• "I would trust a schizophrenic logger over any of these fuckers." — Brad (81:41)
• Hilarious asides on "sniffies," Blink-182’s Tom DeLonge, and the recurring need to see the "fucking bodies" or “up close pic of the ship” (14:34, 65:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:55 — "I'm over disclosure": Julian on UFO fatigue
• 07:56 — Film’s popular and critical reception
• 11:16 — “Credentials are irrelevant”: Authority ≠ Credibility
• 14:34 — Lack of new footage/evidence, overt recycling
• 26:11 — The documentary’s snowballing claims: From vague to wild
• 40:04 — National security framing, threat narrative dominates
• 46:38 — Claims of biological effects, medical evidence
• 49:03 — "Warp bubble" theory, science fiction speculation
• 55:03 — Number of alien species supposedly known
• 60:05 — Lou Elizondo’s assassination paranoia
• 76:57 — "Self-licking ice cream cone": UFO disclosure’s circular logic
• 81:41 — Alternative, genuinely good UFO documentaries

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Critical Tone & Takeaways

• The hosts, despite varied backgrounds and a spectrum of skepticism/belief, are united in their frustration with the endless "any day now" hype, the empty promises, and the dullness of disclosure content.
• They emphasize that authenticity and wonder in UFO stories come from sincere, firsthand experience—not institutional prestige.
• They skewer the commercial and national security interests driving UFO narratives and highlight the resemblance between the Disclosure movement and past intelligence community psy-ops.
• Summary Judgment:
  “I believe in aliens. I've seen a ufo...and I still think this doc is bad.” — Jake (65:20)

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Final Thoughts

The episode excoriates the Age of Disclosure documentary as high-gloss, rehashed propaganda designed to reinforce military funding and public paranoia, not inspire awe, wonder, or answers. Disclosure, the hosts argue, is no longer about “the truth” coming out—it’s a perpetual cliffhanger, an endless rehearsal for a finale that never arrives.

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[For listeners: This episode is a highly informed, irreverent, and at times absurdly funny crash course in how UFO media twists culture and vice versa. If you’re tired of “any day now” promises—or just want actual recommendations for UFO docs worth your time—this is essential listening.]

Transcript

[Jake]

Tom delong was right all along.

[Brad Abrahams]

Disclosure.

[Jake]

Bodies in freezers, bodies underground Disclosure. They lied to protect us from the truth they found Disclosure. History isn't what we were taught Disclosure. It's an IQ test for all humanity Disclosure. With technology that leapt overnight Disclosure. Trump will bring the truth to light Disclosure. The dam is breaking now Disclosure. Any day now Disclosure. Just around the Corner Disclosure. Since 1947 disclosure. Sam, if you're hearing this, well done. You found a way to connect to the Internet. Welcome to the qaa podcast, episode 353. I'm over disclosure. As always, we are your hosts, Jake.

[Brad Abrahams]

Rockatansky, Brad Abrahams, Travis Vew and Julian Field.

[Julian Field]

You know me, I'm the UFO guy. I've been enraptured by this subject since I was just a small Canadian boy. While I take a skeptical approach, I'm no cynic. I'd go as far as to consider myself a believer. I'm stumped by some specific cases like the Socorro saucer covered in the Spectral Voyager and the Aerial school phenomenon. I think there are just too many sightings and first hand experiences to ignore, even if 99% of them end up being explainable. But I have a confession. Even though I'm best known for my film Love and Saucers about an ET experiencer, I don't like watching UFO documentaries, particularly in the TV format. There are a select few I'd recommend, but we'll talk about the film landscape later.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh wait, you don't like to see like the same five bizarre looking old men, like in a room talking and just cut between them endlessly?

[Jake]

That's one of the reasons you don't like seeing that same black and white footage of a chapeau, you know, gently rotating in the air over and over again.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, Brad can only watch Ancient Aliens. Everything else is too boring hair wise. Like he needs Sucalos.

[Julian Field]

Well, the reasons I avoid them are legion. They tend to be more advocacy than cinema about proving a particular case or phenomena. I just don't find the approach interesting or compelling.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like really insecure. That's the problem. It's so insecure and desperate. It's kind of like Jesus, guys, come on.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, they're usually formulaic and predictable and most recently they're just always about the subject of disclosure that the powers that be are just about to reveal the grand secret in any moment. But because of this identity foisted upon me, whenever there's a new congressional hearing or bombshell report or documentary, I'm invariably asked about it. And the truth is I just don't care. I'm over with disclosure. This year though, a UFO film has risen above the ever swelling heap. A film so big I can't ignore it.

[Jake]

See, this is the problem with our modern times, that we have more alien footage than ever, more UFO footage than ever. There's more talk than ever, more movies being made, all sorts of artists, ideas about what an alien might look like. Some better than others. And here we are, bored out of our skulls. We don't give a shit. I don't give a fuck. If they were announced like tomorrow, that guys, it's real. There's a galactic council and we've been interfacing with them for the last 50 years. I would go, wow, the craziest person on the Internet was right. You know, I'm, I like, I get my mail here. The crazy people on the Internet being somehow right about, you know, it's. It's just. I don't know, maybe things have become so dire, so weird, so violent, so dark that something that seems like a positive advancement for the human species is like. It's just another buzzing flies around my head and just discussions and this is.

[Julian Field]

Supposed to be, this is supposed to be the fun stuff.

[Jake]

This is. They've ruined even the good stuff now.

[Julian Field]

The Age of Disclosure. March is a chaotic month in my hometown of Austin, Texas. There are music events, the rodeo, the Moto Grand Prix, and of course one of the biggest film, music and tech fests in the usa, south by Southwest.

[Brad Abrahams]

Mm.

[Julian Field]

It was the latter that a certain documentary was getting an outsized amount of buzz. The fact alone that a documentary was grabbing headlines alongside world premieres featuring Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, Paul Rudd, Pedro Pascal, Nicole Kidman, and Austin's own vacant stared patron saint Matthew McConaughey. The film was premiering at the Paramount Theater, one of the best and biggest venues in the city. And all 1,200 seats were filled. Even stranger were the special guests at the screening. They included U.S. congressman, renowned scientists and academics, a former Navy admiral, a NASA administrator, CIA operatives and intelligence directors and fighter pilots. As you've gathered by now, the film is the Age of Disclosure. The tagline on the poster read see the film they don't want you to see. Considering the buzz of the venue and the special guests, I found this to be more than a little disingenuous. The official synopsis reads.

[Brad Abrahams]

Featuring 34 US government insiders, this explosive.

[Jake]

Documentary reveals an 80 year global cover.

[Brad Abrahams]

Up of non human intellig urgent life and a secret war among major nations. To reverse engineer advanced technology of non human origin.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, sounds exciting. It was directed by Dan Farah, most known for having produced the Steven Spielberg film Ready Player One. He also helmed MTV's fantasy series the Shannara Chronicles, which starred a young Austin butler. His production company currently has deals with Warner Brothers and Universal Pictures. In interviews, Farah said his goal was.

[Brad Abrahams]

To create one of the most effective tools for helping make the public aware of the truth and helping Congress get the government to take the topic more seriously.

[Julian Field]

Farah wasn't the only high pedigreed professional involved. It was edited by Oscar nominated Spencer Averick, composed by the accomplished Blair Mowat, and executive produced by Shara Senderoff, a Forbes 30 under 30 tech entrepreneur.

[Jake]

We gotta stop. We gotta stop letting these tech people get their fingers in a movie business. It's no good. It's no good. They're coming in with bad. They're coming in with bad energy, bad motives.

[Julian Field]

It seemed to come out of nowhere. Made in secret with all private investors and no disclosed budget, the trailer quickly garnered millions of views and alongside with the south by Southwest buzz, scored a limited theatrical run before landing exclusively on Amazon prime just a few weeks ago. Where you can rent it for $20 or buy it for $25. It soon became the highest grossing documentary of all time on the platform. Oh yeah. For eight days it remained the best selling movie in all genres, beating out Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle After Another. Jurassic World, Rebirth, Tron, Ares Weapons, and the latest, Mission Impossible.

[Jake]

Jesus, I can't believe that. Yeah, it's so boring. I started playing on my phone like 15 minutes into it. It really was. I was kind of listening to it in the background and I sort of sat up when they talked about the, you know, the time space bubble and stuff. And I was like, oh, you got any evidence of that? And it was like, oh, no. It's back to the guy against the chalkboard. Every time they come up with something interesting, there's no NASA specialist for that. It's a guy. It's a guy at a board with, you know, checking things off that he's written. And he's not even wearing a suit. He's in like a fucking V neck T shirt with like reverse male pattern balding. We'll get into all of it. This is like my first comment to Brad as I was going through this.

[Julian Field]

The film industry is in a tailspin with documentaries being the hardest hit. So this accomplishment is really quite incredible. If nothing else, the film is a commercial hit, but the review Landscape, however, has been mixed. It's currently sitting at a 30% on Rotten Tomatoes, though it has a 93% audience score. The New York Times said anyone who.

[Brad Abrahams]

Sits through its nearly two hours of unprovable claims is a chump. Damn. Calling me out.

[Julian Field]

But on the flip side, Oliver Stone called it monumental.

[Jake]

A once in a generation cultural flashpoint.

[Brad Abrahams]

No, Stop listening to your son. Oh, it's like, it's like, it's like fucking trickle up, trickle uphill.

[Jake]

Like, there's definitely guys that, when they're doing the bad graphic of the. Of gravity bending around the craft, are like standing up from their, you know, soiled couches being like, being like they're. They're actually talking about it. They're actually talking about the gravity fields. Like, I think you have to be like, I think you have to already know everything that's going to be mentioned in the movie to enjoy it.

[Julian Field]

Well, I sort of think the opposite. But we'll get more into the critical reception later and how it's been received in the UFO community. But first I just wanted to ask what you guys thought about the film. Like, Big Picture. Just. Just Big Picture. I know. Jake, you said it was boring. What about you, Travis?

[Jake]

You know, I thought that.

[Brad Abrahams]

I felt like it was like, technically well produced for a documentary in the sense, in the sense that they, you know, they got, you know, interesting, like.

[Jake]

Set sometimes and it was well lit.

[Brad Abrahams]

And then like there was, like, it was. There was some movie music in the background. As people talk movie music, I wasn't able to make up for like the dull subject matter.

[Julian Field]

What about you, Julian?

[Brad Abrahams]

I would, I would, I would say that this movie should have been about four minutes long and, and all that footage would have been. I had already seen on TV or whatever.

[Julian Field]

Sure, yeah. A trailer, basically.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Show me the weird little black dots. Stop being. Stop. It's like the whole technique is like, you get like someone who's like, believable, like, and kind of serious and maybe famous and, you know, it looks like kind of fancy. And he goes, well, it would be, you know, it would be a form of hubris to think that we're the only, you know, 300 million galaxies, that we're the only form of life in the universe. And then they just cut to a guy who I would never trust with anything, and he's like, they've been here for thousands of years. Like, they're. I'm actually friends with them.

[Jake]

Yeah. They essentially cut to like Beaker and Benson from, from the puppets who are like, they've already been here for hundreds of years. Years.

[Brad Abrahams]

Also. What is the. What is this format of getting two of these weird guys?

[Julian Field]

No, I like that. Yeah. At the same time, ups the ante.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like the walrus looking guy, like, the tor. The turtle guy is, like, talking and the walrus guy is like. It's just like kind of doing like, I don't know, like weird, like, glitching. Like, he's just kind of. His mouth is kind of slurping and he's just kind of twitching. It's just. I mean, I'm sorry, man. Like, these guys, like, if you believe these guys, then I've got a wallet to inspect.

[Julian Field]

Well, I'm gonna start with some positive feedback similar to what Travis said. I think compared to many documentaries, especially in the paranormal, like Gaia World, I think it's well put together. You know, production values are slick. Sure, it's well lit. The interviews look kind of high fidelity. It's like, good from a technical standpoint. And it's definitely, in a way, the most elaborately credentialed UFO doc so far.

[Jake]

But as I said, as I said to you guys in chat, like, it doesn't work on QAA hosts and QAA listeners, I think, too, because we know better than anybody, it doesn't matter, like, how. What level of power you're behind the levers at, you know, it doesn't matter, like, what your military ranking is, like, how pressed your suit is. Like you can believe in some dumb crazy shit, like, like your credentials, Your credentials are irrelevant to your beliefs.

[Brad Abrahams]

I also think, like, you know, you can really. I mean, first of all, so many people serve in the military, there's going to be a decent percent of them that are just insane, right? Like, that's just like. Just fucking, like, like population statistics. And so it's like, I don't really give a shit that this guy. I mean, if anything, it's like, yeah, maybe the cannons on his ship, like, were too loud and they fucked up his brain. Like, it's not like, oh, you're a navy guy. Oh, wow, then I should really listen to you. But also, like, there's nothing new here. I'm so sorry.

[Julian Field]

Like, yeah, we.

[Brad Abrahams]

We have the new footage, which is interesting. It was released on fucking television by the government. We have access to it. We've seen it a million times. The rest is literally just ancient Aliens. Ancient Aliens has, like, more than a dozen fucking seasons at this point. And it's the same thing. It's the same bullshit. They just don't do the ancient astronauts say yes.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah. It's ancient aliens disguised as like a 60 minute special.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. And. And it's, it's two hours long. It's like, it's painful how long it is. And 90% of that is just talking heads. It's just like a man in a giant Victorian home that they've rented and they've just kind of filled each. Each room with a little man sitting in a chair in the middle of it, which looks like. Often looks like extremely like comically awkward how small they look in frame, especially.

[Jake]

If you're in a deep V neck with lots of tats and stuff. I don't know, it's just, I think. What's his name? Alizona Alzana. I don't know, I don't mean to be like prejudice or anything, but I just don't think he's like, he just, if he wants to come, I don't know, dress up a little bit like the other guys. I don't know.

[Julian Field]

It's his personal style.

[Jake]

I know, I know.

[Brad Abrahams]

Whatever, dude. Like, don't judge him, you know, I mean, it's like, I'm sorry.

[Jake]

I'm just like, shit right now.

[Brad Abrahams]

The few hours of the day that he's not on sniffies looking for a cum dump.

[Julian Field]

Wow.

[Jake]

I don't even know what that means. I knew you were going to go somewhere with it, but I was like, I don't even know what that means.

[Julian Field]

Better. We don't. We don't know.

[Brad Abrahams]

I can explain sniffies to you guys, you know. Okay, so you know Grindr, Please, please don't know, please. Well, Grindr looks conservative next to sniffies. Sniffies is like guys being like, yo, my door's open. This is my address. I'm gonna be face down on my bed. And I know no, loads refused sniffies.

[Jake]

But Sniffy sounds like a cartoon friend that you, you know, that would be teaching you, like, to brush your teeth.

[Julian Field]

Travis is about to just disappear. He's gonna dematerialize.

[Jake]

Travis is gonna. Travis is gonna have to generate his own gravity field to space his warp. Space, time warp. Out of this podcast, Travis, you can.

[Brad Abrahams]

Find out which public restrooms have glory holes.

[Julian Field]

What do you mean?

[Brad Abrahams]

It's very useful?

[Julian Field]

Well, aside from the talking head footage, the other 10% is B roll of the various figures just walking around the Capitol buildings. And then like Julian said, the same, like three leaked UAP videos we've seen a thousand times.

[Brad Abrahams]

You have to have one piece of new footage for a two hour movie.

[Jake]

Show me A fucking ship up close. Show me a ship up close and show me a body. Until then I don't care.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, well. And I think unlike what Jake said, I think this is squarely aimed at the noobs, like people that just haven't seen any of this or haven't heard of any of the. Because for us who have at least cursory awareness, it's just nothing's new. It makes us fall asleep.

[Brad Abrahams]

I would much rather rewatch Stan Romanek's self made documentary. At least there's a good twist.

[Jake]

I don't get that reference.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, he's a guy who claims he's in constant contact with aliens. And all his proof is amazing. It's just an alien doll peeking out his window.

[Jake]

I love it.

[Brad Abrahams]

And then halfway through the movie he's like, I've got 900 and 900 and I don't know how much proof. Like all these are proofs. And then halfway through the movie he's like, people are accusing me of being a pedophile. This is actually. And you're like, what? And yeah, it turns out he's accused of like molesting a child. Like so halfway through this UFO movie he just kicks into like defense mode. But like it comes out of nowhere and it's, it's very fucking crazy.

[Julian Field]

A different type of disclosure.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's actually a great movie because it, when the twist comes it like your jaw is to the ground. Because he spends so long in the movie trying to be like. And this is why I'm not the pedophile. They keep calling me that. I've been told in court that I am.

[Julian Field]

This is like the. Yeah, the MUFON director who they found all the kitty born on his computer and, and he was like, oh, they put it there.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah. Who, who did? NASA.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I don't doubt that the government has the capabilities to put whatever it wants on whatever. Don't take the way you doing.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, wait, Jake is trying to, he's trying to buy into the COVID story.

[Julian Field]

You're rehabilitating these.

[Brad Abrahams]

Jake, DEFENSE LAWYER FOR the pedophiles.

[Jake]

I'm just saying like they could put whatever. They could put Zoombinis. You know, it's not like, you know.

[Brad Abrahams]

They put Zoombinis on your computer.

[Jake]

They could put it on there. I'm sure they could. They've got that kind of tech.

[Brad Abrahams]

I mean they'd need like a floppy disk and there's all kinds. No, no, don't keep talking about Zoombinis. Nobody knows.

[Julian Field]

That's it. The Disclosure Industrial Complex. The film's marketing leads with just how credentialed the participants are. And the film itself starts with a barrage of these bonafides. I spent 11 years in the US.

[Brad Abrahams]

Navy as a fighter pilot. For 18 years I flew fighters for the United States Navy. I spent 20 years working in the US intelligence community. I served as the fourth director of national intelligence. I spent 25 years as a senior official with the CIA. I retired from from the Navy as a one star admiral after 32 years of service. I worked on highly classified UAP programs for the government as a senior scientist. I spent 32 years in and out of government in national security. I've worked 28 years as an astrophysicist on highly classified UAP programs for the United States government and for the defense industry.

[Julian Field]

I'm a professor in the Department of.

[Brad Abrahams]

Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine.

[Jake]

And I've been president three times in a row. And look at me. Not the smartest grand in the tool shed.

[Brad Abrahams]

I love that they're listing like things that like would at the very least make them evil. And then I'm supposed to also believe that you're not dumb like I don't know man.

[Julian Field]

Not included, there are several sitting US Congress people and senators, including the film's biggest prize, Secretary of State and National Security Advisor Marco Rubio. We've also got James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence under Obama, Christopher Miller, Acting Secretary of Defense under Trump, Christopher Mellon, Deputy Assistant Director of Defense for Intelligence under Clinton and George W. Bush, Dem Senator Kristen Gillibrand, Republican Senator Mike Rounds, solid Snake Congressman Dan Crenshaw, Tennessee Rep. Tim Burchett, who sells UFO merch online, the conspiratorial Florida Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Navy Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, Navy Commander and pilots David Fravor and Ryan Graves, and many, many more. So it gives the audience a clear message of who the filmmakers see as the most trustworthy and reliable sources to elevate. And it's also a Fairly bipartisan group. UFOs being one of the last domains that bring people across the aisle, but.

[Jake]

It'S still the most pilled of each. You know, of each pool.

[Julian Field]

You know Paulina Luna.

[Jake]

Yeah, there are a couple I think too. Too many clips of Chuck Schumer being like my great friend Harry Reid would be looking down from heaven, smiling upon all the disgust disclosure that we're doing.

[Julian Field]

From the disclosure world, we have most of the greatest hits. The most prominently featured subject, also the film's narrator and executive producer is Lou Elizondo. Former Army Counterintelligence claimed director, which the Pentagon disputes, of aatip, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and to the Stars Academy, or ttsa. Founding member. He also owns an aviation themed bar in Wyoming called Bombshells and has his own bourbon.

[Brad Abrahams]

The government straight up is like, this guy was never the director of anything. Like, he might as well, like, yes, just like a fucking liar.

[Jake]

That's the problem with it. That's the main. My main problem with the doc is, is about halfway through, I started to wonder who Lou Elizondo really is. And I start. And I started to go, I think this is a guy who just kind of shows up. Like, I think he just showed up and started like, you know, doing. Doing this. I don't think that he's not up in the planes with the guys.

[Brad Abrahams]

I've seen this guy's name come up on Reddit, and it was like a lot of, like, UFO enthusiasts being like, this guy's a fucking. A liar.

[Jake]

He just kind of seems like the Zach Baggins of UFO disclosure, you know, a little bit. Yeah, no offense, Zach. I still watch your show.

[Julian Field]

The second most featured is Jay Stratton, former Defense Intelligence Agency and director of the UAP task force, as well as another executive producer on the film. Next up is my personal favorite, Stanford PhD physicist Hal Puthoff, who ran the CIA's remote viewing program, Project Stargate for 20 years and is also a TTSA co founder.

[Jake]

Amazing.

[Julian Field]

As an aside, putoff achieved Scientology's OT Level 7, the highest available in 1971, and claim this OT level gains remote viewing skills. About 14 accomplished Scientologists worked in the Stargate program. The more, you know, so, like, he.

[Brad Abrahams]

Knows all about how, you know, the.

[Jake]

Aliens who see the dearth.

[Brad Abrahams]

So, you know, that's obviously makes him even more credentialed.

[Jake]

I would love to work in, like, the slime department in the c. In the CIA. Like, just some department where they're like, test this slime to see if you can, like, travel interdimensionally with it. Somehow I'd be like, all right.

[Julian Field]

And we also have the Bunsen to his beaker, which is the incredibly accomplished PhD astrophysicist Eric Davis, whose scientific legitimacy often contrasts with his bombastic claims about aliens. He was Robert Bigelow's chief scientist, and Bigelow himself is another worthy rabbit hole.

[Jake]

I knew, I knew. Yeah, I knew they were talking about Bigelow. When they were like, I was approached by so and so and a representative from an aerospace company. I'm like, oh, it's Bigelow for sure. These guys, he's still trying to live forever.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. And Davis was also one of the Skinwalker Ranch researchers.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah. One guy that really surprised me among all the heads was just how fucked up like James Clapper looks.

[Julian Field]

Sure. I mean, yeah, he really is fading.

[Brad Abrahams]

And he's like, you know, he was like in like the Spygate stuff. Like he was a relevant figure. He was the head of the fucking CIA. And now he's like, I don't know, sundowning. I mean, I guess a lot of American.

[Julian Field]

I mean, he's really old.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like leadership is.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

That's why they have to retire is because they start to sundown. That's what gets them out of office.

[Julian Field]

I think they also get. It's a lot of forever chemical exposure. Exposure. They get into and all the bases. And then there's Gary Nolan, allotted Stanford immunology professor with an incredible resume of discoveries and inventions. He claims to have analyzed brain scans of UAP experiencers and found anomalies. He also gives the probability as 100% that extraterrestrials have not only visited Earth, but have been visiting for a long time.

[Brad Abrahams]

Why are we doing probability then? To say it's a fact, like 100%. Let me tell you in numbers. So you understand, out of 100, it's 100.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

If you got the guy. If you got the saucer landing.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And you've got the guy coming out of it and shaking hands with military personnel at the base. Just show us the video of that.

[Julian Field]

Exactly.

[Brad Abrahams]

Give us something.

[Jake]

But people will go, oh, it's AI Even if you. That's what I'm saying is that none disclosure, like. Brad, you're right. Like disclosure is over. It doesn't matter. Because you could show people a real video of an extraterrestrial like shaking hands with, with military based personnel or whatever, and there would be a group of people that go, it's here. Disclosure is here. There would be another group of people that go, it's AI and then there would another. There would be another group of people that go, oh, it's a real alien, but it's actually from a world that's not ours. There's a mirror planet in a different star system that, you know, that is slightly ahead of, you know, it's like it doesn't matter. It doesn't. It's just, it's reality is it's. I don't know.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think what's so interesting too is like, like, listen, if you press these guys, they would believe in so much other weird shit.

[Julian Field]

Oh, yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

That has happened for, like, the last, I don't know, 50 years. Right. Stuff that's been debunked. Like, they clearly would have no credibility if they actually laid out what they believed before those little dots came out in the fucking videos.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, Lou Elizondo at some, like, UFO conference, he showed a photo of, like, a purported alien mothership, and it was just like a reflection of a ceiling fan in a window.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, that's awesome. Oh, my God.

[Julian Field]

Most of these people have been founding members or intimately involved with the to the Stars Academy. Though its most recognizable figure, Blink 182's Tom DeLonge, is not only completely absent from the film, he's not even name checked. So I guess, like, a former rock star doesn't fit into the whole national security milieu.

[Jake]

No, no, no.

[Brad Abrahams]

They wanted people in suits and, like, you know, in universities. Yeah, this is not the vibe.

[Julian Field]

Except for Louis. So for those that need a refresher, TTSA released the original Navy UAP video to the New York Times and functioned as a sort of launch vehicle for the whole disclosure narrative. And it promised the development of breakthrough technologies reverse engineered from UAPs. Most of the Sirius members left years ago, and now it's a merchandise and entertainment company with a $37 million deficit. DeLonge now sells guitars with meteorites in them and made a B movie.

[Jake]

Man, just stick to doing Blink stuff. Even their latest album was dope. I love Blink. I've loved, Continue to Love and will love Blink 182. I even like Tom DeLonge's, like, spin off group Boxcar Racer. I don't know if.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, I wouldn't know.

[Jake]

They came out, they only had one album, but it's fucking. If you're remotely interested in Blink or pop punk, like, in that 90s era. That boxcar Racer album is really fucking good, too.

[Brad Abrahams]

What about Weezer? Do you like them?

[Julian Field]

No, let's not do this. Julian, come on. Don't set him up.

[Jake]

Well, I mean, I literally have, like, a Rivers quote. Like a guitar, like a surf rock blue. Like Fender with the lightning strap.

[Julian Field]

Literally just. Does it have a meteorite in it? No, it.

[Jake]

No, no, no, that doesn't.

[Brad Abrahams]

Come on.

[Jake]

I mean, tell me, what does it do? Will it make me better? Is it like. Is it like Kevin Garnett in Uncut Gems? Like, if I get the guitar, can I finally play better with my right hand?

[Julian Field]

That's the idea, yeah. There are many, many more people featured in the film But I'm sure I'm already testing everyone's patience. Another of the many asides, though. Often when they introduce a new subject, they show archival photos of them in a war torn country in full tactical gear, brandishing fully automatic weaponry, or shaking hands with a former or sitting president. After this cavalcade of credentials, we get another montage of these same people making the most shocking of claims.

[Brad Abrahams]

I've come to the conclusion that we.

[Jake]

Are not only not alone in the.

[Brad Abrahams]

Universe, but we have been discovered by an intelligence from some other part of the universe. There's evidence. We are not alone. Humanity is not the only intelligent species in the universe. We're not alone in the universe.

[Jake]

UAPs are real.

[Brad Abrahams]

They're here and they're not human. They are here. This is real. It's happening. It's happening now.

[Julian Field]

We are not the only intelligent life.

[Brad Abrahams]

Form in the universe.

[Julian Field]

There's something here on the planet with.

[Brad Abrahams]

Us that is intelligent and more intelligent than us. This is the biggest discovery in human history.

[Jake]

There's something. There's something here. There's something. What, like, under the ground? Like War of the Worlds.

[Julian Field]

So it's one thing to muse about other intelligent life in the universe, which is something I think most people would agree on, but it's another thing to say it with this amount of certainty. There's a similar snowballing to how the claims and evidence are presented. There's sightings and encounters with UAPs that are unexplained. Again, not a big leap. The next claim is that these UAPS are confirmed non human intelligence. Again, not too controversial. Like, if only even as a hypothesis, then it's that these UAPS have crashed and we've recovered them. So big, if true, still no evidence. But then a whole other leap to the claim that we're reverse engineering this technology. And then lastly, the claim that bodies have been recovered from the crafts.

[Jake]

Mm. And if we listen to the Reddit poster from last week, those bodies are just avatars that the aliens can jack into to interact life down here without, you know, putting themselves at risk.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, it's really funny because, like, I was thinking about, like, the tone of the interviews, like, what makes them kind of so boring and what it makes them so boring is that these guys have said this thing probably a thousand times.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like, they don't have any enthusiasm. They know it's nothing new dead inside. It's just like, oh, new footage, let's put it all. But there's like this weird, like, kind of shaky, like, tired insecurity that just does not. Does not, like, lead you on a ride to, like, something cool.

[Julian Field]

Like, you know, they hit it home, like, like three too many times. Each time they do one of these montages.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's like. It's just so clear that, like, their grandkids have, like, fought them on this, like, for hours at the dinner table. Like, you know, it's just like, oh, well, okay, I guess I'll say the thing I say.

[Jake]

Yeah, well, and it's. And it's also this idea that, like, well, you should believe these guys because they've all carried guns at some point. You know, we've. We have photographs of them with guns, like, in official conflicts. Like, that's what makes them trustworthy. Is that, like. Like, their military combat. As if that's, you know, as if there isn't, like, heaps of evidence to the contrary, you know, that. That being in a combat situation or even going through boot camp can have, like, devastating psychological impacts on people.

[Julian Field]

Exactly.

[Brad Abrahams]

Not only that, but, like, the American military is, like, sloppy and stupid. And, like, a lot of the wars that they've fought in recent history, they've completely botched. Like, I wouldn't call these people, like, necessarily smarter because they did this stuff. The only idea is, like, maybe I was in the plane and I saw the dots. But nobody's saying that none of them are the dots. Ears, bring us the dots.

[Jake]

Well, they're saying. They're saying. They're saying that a cube, a black cube inside a bubble, went between a formation of fighter jets and that one of the guys, I guess, got cooked from the inside.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, sure, why not? Let's fucking just. Let's just. Who cares, right? You can just say shit.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julian Field]

Other claims include UAPs having activated and deactivated nuclear weapons in both the US and Russia.

[Brad Abrahams]

That is one of. I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding. This is the most insane claim ever made.

[Jake]

There's videos. There's videos I've seen of it with the little beam hitting the head of the nuke or whatever.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. And that defense contractors serve as custodians to shield materials from FOIA requests. The film does not present any new classified or declassified evidence. No more clear photographs or footage that we haven't already seen or any physical evidence whatsoever. So just pure rehash.

[Brad Abrahams]

Man.

[Julian Field]

They should.

[Brad Abrahams]

They should have gotten Palmer Lucky to, like, back some stuff, you know, A really trustworthy guy. Get him. Get him up there with the fucking Hawaiian shirt and his horrible little fucking soul patch. They do constantly Insist that, like, America is ready for the truth. They're ready.

[Julian Field]

They're ready.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like, over and over again. It's like, like it's a foregone conclusion that, like, this is all. This is all true. Yes. It's like America should be taken off the stove. It smells burn as well. No, America.

[Jake]

I don't know.

[Brad Abrahams]

I guess, like, there's this. There's this narrative thread that, like, the.

[Jake]

Only reason that this isn't being, I.

[Brad Abrahams]

Guess, revealed in a more explicit manner.

[Jake]

Is because, like, there's a cabal of.

[Brad Abrahams]

People who think that America just isn't ready for it.

[Jake]

And they do make sure to mention that, especially Beaker and Bunsen, the two scientist guys, that they're like, if you saw the classifieds, like, we can't show you any of that, but trust us, if you saw. If we walked you into the OT7 room, you would be like, oh, of course aliens are real.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Could just remote view the evidence.

[Brad Abrahams]

These guys who, like, if you just leave them in the seat and don't interact with them, they probably kind of just go catatonic. Like, their eyes are milky. I am almost convinced they're from a different species. They look insane.

[Julian Field]

That guy Hal puts off like, he's like, 97.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, Hal put off.

[Jake]

I remember speaking of 97 and needing to interact with it to keep it alive. I remember visiting my beloved grandfather at his, like, assisted living facility. And this was, you know, when cell phones were. You know, everybody had the big. The big rectangles in their pockets. And at one point during the visit, my grandfather, and he's like a smart guy, a real scientist, he goes, tell me, do you have to keep interacting with it or it'll turn off? And I was like, what? And he's like, will the phones turn off if you stop using them? Because I see everybody using them all the time. So he was, like, genuinely curious about the tech. He was like, everybody's constantly on him. Do they stop working if you don't sort of keep your finger on the screen? He was like, genuinely asking.

[Julian Field]

I love that. That's sweet. As Jake knows, into movies, every hero needs a villain. And they introduce theirs right off the bat. The Legacy program.

[Jake]

Yes. This is the deep state. Yes.

[Julian Field]

Here's Lou setting it up.

[Brad Abrahams]

This program was so sensitive that it was withheld from the Secretary of Defense, Congress, and even the President of the United States. This program is referred to as the Legacy Program. This program had been capturing, retrieving, and reverse engineering UAPs since at least 1947. On numerous occasions. These retrievals include the bodies of non humans, some sort of intelligence, intelligent being that is not human. When Jay and I began knocking on doors and trying to get access into the Legacy Program, there was this almost like an immune response by the Legacy Program. And antibodies came out of everywhere to try to shut us down.

[Jake]

That all means nothing. That doesn't mean anything. None of that means anything.

[Brad Abrahams]

Once again, a bar owner whose only credential is disputed by the very organization that he claims to belong to is a director of some sort. And then. What the. Is knocking on doors? We're just knocking.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah, we started knocking on doors. All sorts of antibodies.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, I'm just. Mulder, I'm going through the dark corridors of the secret alien. Secret slab, and I'm just like, hello, Is someone in there? This one's locked. What the fuck are you talking. And they love. This is every conspiracy theorist, every fucking guy. Oh, the whole system came out and we were over the target because they got so alarmed. Give me one example.

[Jake]

Yeah, these are guys who are, like, standing in 7:11 and they look out in the parking lot and they go, was that black pickup here when we pulled up? And the other guy goes, I don't think so. And they're like, two Slurpees, please, and a pack of Parliament Lights. And they're like. The guy's like, okay. And they get it. And they're like, the truck's gone. They're like, that's weird. And then the other guy goes, yeah, they're following us, like. And then they go. And then they go into the documentary and go like, everybody came out of the woodwork coming after us. These are people that are imagining their reality at. Then reporting it to the. You know, reporting it to documentarians is. Oh, God, yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

If I was a documentarian, I'd be like, well, surely you have, like, a sternly worded letter or sternly worded letter, like a fucking story about, like, how. I don't know, like, someone came to threaten you, but they have nothing. They literally just say the thing, and then there's no. What documentarian wouldn't follow up for some kind of proof of, like, a harassment campaign?

[Jake]

Yeah, when somebody comes. Like, when people come out of the woodwork to silence you, you're like, it was two guys. They were wearing tracksuits. They showed up at around 8. It's not like. And the antibodies started fighting the. You know, we. We were the virus. What are you talking about? Like, this isn't a post. You're. I don't Know, it's just.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think they just mean, like, guys on Reddit that they think are CIA that are just like. That sounds stupid.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

He continues in more detail.

[Brad Abrahams]

The main players in the Legacy program have long been the Central Intelligence Agency, the United States Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors. The Central Intelligence Agency is responsible for the oversight of the overall effort. You might think of them as a little bit of as a headquarters element. The United States Air Force is responsible for field operations. These are the folks that are responsible for deploying, within moments notice, anywhere in the world to go secure and retrieve crashed uap. You have the ex. Director of the CIA.

[Julian Field]

Exactly.

[Brad Abrahams]

People in all of the departments, you're.

[Julian Field]

Saying are doing the single one. Yes.

[Brad Abrahams]

Why can't they just like, say, hey, I saw the COVID up?

[Jake]

Because like, Clapper is like falling asleep in the chair, being like, I think it's time for a change.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, well, like, I mean, they don't even. That's the thing is, again, like, Clapper's not a guy who makes claims. Clapper's the guy that they go out, he's the director of the CIA, and he goes, oh, well, there's probably life in the universe. And that's all he said. And then they cut to fucking Doofus and Dorcas who are half a fucking sleep and somehow are in the same shot sitting kind of like too far apart from each other. Like, the whole thing is so awkward.

[Julian Field]

Another topic brought up fairly early on is the trend, particularly among conservative circles, of the phenomena being biblically demonic in origin. Thankfully, this documentary takes a more grounded position here via Lou and Jay Stratton.

[Brad Abrahams]

There really were religious fundamentalist extremists within the Pentagon that had a severe adversity to this topic. These are national security experts, senior members of the national intelligence community who are putting their religion above national security. A senior DoD official actually stopped me in the hallways in the Pentagon and told me that we were doing the devil's work. I had to deal with people who were senior to me who were telling me in their world that these are demons and we are poking demons and messing in Satan's world and all these other things. That to me, I was like, I could. I can't believe this is coming out of your mouth.

[Jake]

Now that I believe.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Americans, like, they always. Their pants fall down and they crap themselves. It's always like, yeah, we're doing alien stuff. It's like, you know what else? Angels, demons, God. It's like, I mean, it's so funny. They can't help themselves. Like, they, they. Everything, everything has to be connected to like some Christian, Christian cosmology.

[Julian Field]

Yep. But just as quickly the threat as this film sees it is made abundantly clear. The most high profile voices in the film, Rubio Gillibrand and James Clapper, make their pitch. We've had repeated instances of something operating.

[Brad Abrahams]

In the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities.

[Julian Field]

And it's not ours and we don't know whose it is.

[Brad Abrahams]

That alone, just, that statement alone deserves.

[Julian Field]

Inquiry, deserves attention, deserves focus.

[Brad Abrahams]

If you have objects in the sky that you cannot identify, that's a problem because it could be China, it could be Russia, it could be any adversary. Well, any unexplained phenomenon could pose a national security threat. That's the way you have to treat those things. It's like, yeah, here, here's where it's like very clear. It's like. And so in conclusion, we are invading.

[Jake]

Venezuela and potentially like any other. If there is life, if there, if we do find life and interact with it out there, like, we're going to like, let the military take over. It's like abundantly clear that most of the documentary is about, like, we're learning about this because, like, we need to figure out, like, if we can kill it.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Well, also, it's a very good distraction from a variety of things falling apart, of course.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

And it's like, it's so funny because it's like, okay, so you're saying that those little like black dots that like, can move like, like no other flight, like no other plane that you have ever seen. You're telling me the Chinese and the Russians have the. Then just give up?

[Julian Field]

Exactly. You're fucked.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like, you're fucked. They're literally like hundreds of years in the future from you.

[Julian Field]

Congressman and Senators Mike Gallagher, Mike Rounds and Dan Crenshaw. Double down.

[Brad Abrahams]

Well, Dan Crenshaw kind of singled down.

[Julian Field]

There's something violating our airspace, there's something fouling our ranges that even the people we've tasked in the executive branch to understand this cannot provide an.

[Brad Abrahams]

So I would say in addition to.

[Jake]

The national security implications, this has implications.

[Julian Field]

For basic trust and confidence in the American government.

[Brad Abrahams]

We just simply don't know the origin of the phenomenon. And we're going to try to get to the bottom of it because for national defense purposes, some of these have been in areas that we train. These have been in areas where we've got some of our best equipment, and yet our best equipment has not been able to tag these things. We've not been able to go in and catch them. No matter what they are, they're invaded. And we don't know exactly why they're doing it, what their intent is, and what their capabilities are. They've done nothing bad to us, and we are scared.

[Julian Field]

And I think that's the only, like, 10 seconds that Crenshaw is in in the entire film too.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

And with that, the thesis of the film is made abundantly clear. The most important aspect of the phenomena is that they're a national security threat, need to be taken seriously because of this and this alone.

[Brad Abrahams]

That's so embarrassing that it's literally just propaganda.

[Julian Field]

And that, you know, obviously makes me immediately skeptical because it creates a basis for even more national security funding and to just extend this mystery indefinitely rather than disclose it.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, you need to give us one example of, like, anything bad or any actual, actualized threat if it's just like, you might be describing the floaters in your eyeballs.

[Julian Field]

And I really, like. I don't know if the filmmakers themselves truly believe this or they just think it's the best way to get the attention of decision makers, but to me, it's just a profound lack of imagination and a lack of wonder, because it's like, I don't think that's why people are interested in UFOs, like, because they're a threat. It's because of, like, they're, you know, they're weird. They shatter conventions and paradigms. They open up our consciousness. But this film, they're just literally like a boogeyman to be scared of.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's very funny because it's like, look at those things. They could if. If they wanted to fuck you up. They are so much faster. And like, you. You can't track them. You can barely understand what they are. Surely if they wanted to do something bad, they would have done it. But now, I mean, it's so crazy. It's just like, yo, they're gumming up our fucking shooting ranges and shit. We can't even fuck discharge rounds anymore, and we can't do nuclear tests anymore and poison everybody.

[Julian Field]

And then I feel like they. They give away the whole game with this next clip.

[Brad Abrahams]

China is at the top of everybody's.

[Julian Field]

List of concern right now in the Defense Department.

[Brad Abrahams]

Some of this UAP activity we are seeing here in the United States may actually be a result of a Chinese UAP reverse engineering program. If Xi Jinping had access to this, if Putin had access to this, and they thought that we did not have access to similar capabilities in what they did, do you Think for a second that they wouldn't consider using it to achieve their ends of domination. And if their approach to it is.

[Julian Field]

Driven by science and a desire to.

[Brad Abrahams]

Match what they think is ours, we'll.

[Julian Field]

Wake up one day and realize, I.

[Brad Abrahams]

Don'T know how they got there, but they got there ahead of us. And now we're screwed, bro. Once Again, you have 800 foreign military base. China has one in Djibouti. What are you fucking on about? The China, like, these are. These are like dogs. They're so stupid. They're like dogs that get scared by their own reflection. I don't know. I know America's falling behind in the.

[Jake]

Warp drive technology development race.

[Brad Abrahams]

They're falling behind in, like, the building rail for your people and like, lifting people out of poverty. And like, it pisses off the Americans so much, they're like, oh, they're doing bad stuff in fucking in. In Africa. Then you're like, you look into it and it's like, oh, they're giving like 0% interest loans to like, African countries. Oh, man, China. Ah, dangerous. Terrifying.

[Julian Field]

Ontological shock. Let's get back to the interesting stuff. The UAPS themselves. The film breaks from the usual format and has Lou standing at a blackboard. He goes through the five observables common across UAP sightings. Here are the first batch. What?

[Brad Abrahams]

He did this. I just yelled Glenn Beck. Everything observed can be categorized by five distinct performance characteristics. At aatip, we call it these the observables. The first observable is hypersonic velocity. Our current fastest aircraft can go roughly 4,600 miles per hour. However, the UAP we are observing are traveling at 40,000 miles per hour and sometimes faster. The next observable is instantaneous acceleration, a sudden change in velocity at full speed. The SR71, known as a blackbird, requires roughly half the state of Ohio to complete its turn. What we are seeing with UAP are vehicles that can make immediate right angle turns instantaneously accelerating and stopping on a dime. The next observable is low observability. All modern technology have a signature. For example, most aircraft leave visible contrails as they fly. We usually hear a sonic boom associated with the sound barrier being broken. Uap, however, leave almost no observable signatures. The next observable is trans medium travel. UAP have been observed operating in space, in air and underwater, and they are moving seamlessly through each of these environments without any normal signature and without compromising performance. Hey, Louis, are you done in there? You done doing your little. Your video thing? Because somebody puked in one of the bathroom stalls. The Budweiser keg is empty.

[Jake]

A couple of the grips brought their quest threes. They want to clear out the ballroom.

[Julian Field]

And do a little VR great larping going on.

[Brad Abrahams]

He kind of has a baby Trump vibe. What do you think, Travis? Ooh.

[Julian Field]

Well, I think it's just the extremely tight black T shirt. Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah. Just the kind of clearly loves to drink but is kind of weirdly bloated but also works out. There's, there's this just like type, like it's like bar owner, like kooky bar owner vibes and body type.

[Julian Field]

And here's the second batch with a surprise and more shocking sixth observable.

[Brad Abrahams]

The next observable is anti gravity. UAP seem to be defying the natural effects of Earth's gravity without any obvious means of doing so. No signs of propulsion or lift, meaning no wings, no control surfaces or ability to maneuver. There's actually a six subs observable which is not a flight characteristic, that is biological effects, the fifth element. I got started working on this actually in this office. There was a knock at the door.

[Julian Field]

And two individuals who represented themselves as being with the CIA and an aerospace.

[Brad Abrahams]

Company came to me and asked for my help.

[Julian Field]

They had data of military personnel, intelligence officials and other associated with the Department of Defense who had direct interactions with.

[Brad Abrahams]

UAP and because of that direct interaction suffered some kind of medical harm. They wanted my help to look at.

[Julian Field]

The so called inflammatory secondary events that might be measured in the blood.

[Brad Abrahams]

Anything from the horrific burns that I've.

[Julian Field]

Seen on some of the individuals that.

[Brad Abrahams]

Leads to secondary problems with autoimmune diseases and sclerosis, et cetera. And, and then the internal scarring that.

[Julian Field]

I've seen on some individuals. These people had scarring inside of their bodies and inside of their brains.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh God. Oh. The Pleiadians have a Havana syndrome, Ray.

[Jake]

Oh God.

[Julian Field]

It seems obvious these are just like soldiers that have been mistreated or poisoned in some way. And then the Air Force is like, yeah, it was UAPS that did this.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, I mean it's very interesting because it's like, okay, time to talk about the craft and to describe very specific aspects of craft. Let's not bring in any of the Air Force guys. We're gonna have a bar owner who's a liar and then an immunologist. Like, I'm sorry, it's really weird. You have Air Force guys. Like, why aren't they talking about it?

[Julian Field]

Maybe because it ain't true. Bitch.

[Brad Abrahams]

You Gotta get the kook in there to say this shit, you know, like, you don't even have the guy who saw the dots. This is so embarrassing.

[Jake]

Also, if we've been interacting with UAPs and retrieving crash stuff, even if it was the legacy guys for decades and decades, like the 1950s, like, there'd be way more stories about this. I think also we would probably like, have some of that. We would have some of the tech, like, if we can't figure it out from 1947, whenever the Roswell crash was to 2025. And we got this big inner. Big documentary where they're like, and it's a. And it's about to come out right now.

[Julian Field]

But.

[Jake]

But they've been doing this forever. Like, disclosure is no longer, like, they've changed the terminology. Disclosure is no longer the reve. You know, definitive proof that there's life on other planets and that we've been visited by it. But it's the infinite edging of about it, you know, it's about to be revealed. And some people are, you know, they've, you know, they're a little bit more in the know than others, I guess.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, they. They literally saw like a few extra video scenes, which, by the way, were. You trust the government suddenly. So the government reveals something, and suddenly you're like, oh, of course. Great, this is absolutely proof. But also, you really shouldn't like, blow your whole load over this because you don't have enough. You don't have enough to like, fully claim this. But they're so desperate, they're so thirsty for anything that they're just like, okay, well, like, we'll run the footage. The footage is interesting. And then we'll just have like, liars, like, invent shit.

[Julian Field]

Just how the UAPs are able to perform these mystical feats has been a mystery until now. For a documentary criticized as not bringing any new information or evidence to the table, a scientific breakthrough is hypothesized.

[Brad Abrahams]

For decades, our government assumed there must be different exotic technologies responsible for each of the observable. But our scientists realized one breakthrough technology.

[Julian Field]

Could actually be responsible for everything.

[Brad Abrahams]

With enough energy, you could create a bubble, a warp bubble around a spacecraft that would have a different property of space time inside the bubble than on the outside of the bubble.

[Julian Field]

So it's basically the theory is just that there's a magic bubble around the crafts that can do anything.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, if we had this, like, we would have sent it to the fuck. To fucking Israel to kill Palestinian children.

[Jake]

It is insane that these guys all got. They were like, all of this evidence, we've had it for 60, 70 years almost, and still none of it makes sense. How do they move? We don't have a clue as to what could be the answer to all of the, you know, broken mathematics that we're trying to apply, you know, to what we're observing and the data that we are collecting. And eventually some guy just went, what if it was like. What if it was like a time space bubble?

[Brad Abrahams]

Have you guys seen the Jetsons?

[Jake]

Like, he watched like the island or whatever or what's the old movie where the guy. Where the guy gets put in the bubble. I'm blanking on it. Maybe it's not the Island. Something different.

[Julian Field]

The prisoner.

[Jake]

Yeah, the prisoner, exactly.

[Brad Abrahams]

I mean, yeah, it seems like their theory is like, well, if the craft make a space around them in which.

[Julian Field]

The laws of physics don't apply, that's pretty much it. And their crack scientists are just those two guys.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's so awesome because there are legit people. And they, they were like, oh, cool. I got interviewed for this, like, you know, documentary. And then they put it on and they were watching them make these claims and like, I was the Air Force guy. Why didn't they like, this is. This is all bullshit.

[Jake]

This is like, me, Anytime I'm out anywhere and I observe anything, like. And I'll be. I'll be like, oh, the Starbucks. Whoa, Starbucks is closed today. I'll be like, oh, maybe, you know, maybe they get a. You know, it's. It's just like any time I try, you try to explain something that you have zero. There's no way you know what it is. No way you know what it is, but you've got an answer for it. I feel it's like it's the same. It's just like the same instinct.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. They continue on the bubble.

[Brad Abrahams]

This energy field would completely isolate the craft from the environment. And we observe hypersonic velocity and instantaneous acceleration.

[Julian Field]

And the reason is that time is.

[Brad Abrahams]

Moving differently for people inside the bubble versus people outside the bubble. Whoever's inside the craft would feel like they're just cruising along. They wouldn't be feeling the effects of what looks like speeds and accelerations that.

[Julian Field]

Would turn a human being into pudding.

[Brad Abrahams]

This one breakthrough can be the key.

[Julian Field]

To interstellar travel to everything.

[Brad Abrahams]

Observe transmedium travel because the craft is.

[Julian Field]

Moving within its own space time, and.

[Brad Abrahams]

The outside environment through which it's moving is inconsequential. This would allow a craft to go seamlessly from space through the Atmosphere into the water. UAPS have exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply the generation of 1100 billion watts of power. This is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generated in the U.S. let that sink in. 100 times the daily power generation of the entire nation.

[Julian Field]

Wow.

[Brad Abrahams]

Well, there's pudding in the bubble. The bubble, the human pudding. And let that sink in. Something I just made up.

[Julian Field]

So the bubble stuff might have made me laugh, but I also at least found it fun and a little bit interesting and wished most of the doc was just about this type of stuff. But yeah, thankfully there's a little bit more. This perplexing question from Hal Puthoff. One of the questions often raised, if.

[Brad Abrahams]

They'Re so admitted, why are there crashes? But of course, cars are well made and people drive them carefully. But there are crashes. It can happen.

[Julian Field]

Another option that's being considered is that maybe some of these were not, quote.

[Brad Abrahams]

Really crashes, but that they were left here for us to examine in order to advance our technology forward at a faster pace. So in that sense, they can be.

[Julian Field]

Seen as good gifts from more intelligent species.

[Brad Abrahams]

We need to. We need to give a field test to the aliens and see if, you know, make them blow into the. Because maybe some of these are. Some of them are drunk.

[Julian Field]

I mean, it is a genuinely thought provoking question, but that doesn't get explored at all further than that. Like, it's just those, like, 20 seconds, you know, if they're so advanced, why would they crash? Well, let's move on.

[Jake]

Well, well, people crash all the time.

[Brad Abrahams]

Also, we have no proof of the crashes. You're asking a question based on another thing that you can't provide any evidence. Evidence for. It's so awesome.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, they're like eight, like, rhetorical questions into, like, having accepted that the bubble exists and that all this, like, you know, Star Trek gobbledygook is true and that there are crashes.

[Julian Field]

None of.

[Brad Abrahams]

Not any point of these. Do we have any proof? No.

[Julian Field]

They also muse on the nature of the non human intelligence, again, too briefly, and seem to settle on extraterrestrial.

[Brad Abrahams]

How interesting. It's like the ancient astronaut theorists are kind of interested in ancient astronauts. We don't know if the non human intelligence that is already here is exclusively extraterrestrial or perhaps some sort of crypto terrestrial. Some people who are into the physics of time travel think, well, maybe they're time travelers, even some sort of proto human that somehow branched off from the human family tree long ago and is as natural to this planet as we are. Some ancient civilization that's sequestered away somewhere on the Earth or on the seabed.

[Julian Field]

You know, it's just guys riffing, you.

[Brad Abrahams]

Know, the bubble popped because there was a Bigfoot was in the bubble, a cryptid was in the bubble, and he got restless leg syndrome and he popped the bubble.

[Julian Field]

Whatever they are, though, key figures in the film seem certain that multiple races are here. And some of the most far out claims in the documentary, courtesy again of Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis, are Bunsen and Beaker.

[Brad Abrahams]

The intelligence officials that have briefed on.

[Julian Field]

These crash retrievals have talked about a number of different species having been observed to be associated with the crash. The bodies recovered are not all the same time.

[Brad Abrahams]

I'm aware of at least two advanced non human species, one of which made contact with the Legacy Crash Retrieval Program, the other which, the bodies were recovered by the Crash Retrieval Program in various crashes. Few private conversations with former President George Herbert Walker Bush in 2003, and he informed me that there were a number of crash retrievals that had taken place since the mid-1940s. And he also informed me of a UAP event that took place at Holloman Air force base in 1964, where three UAPs approached the Air Force Base, one of them landed on the tarmac, and a non human entity deboarded the craft that landed and interacted with uniformed Air Force and civilian CIA personnel.

[Julian Field]

Oh, thanks for letting us know. Yes.

[Jake]

See, to me, the only difference between this and like a crazy Guy's video on YouTube is that they'll just go on to say, and that guy was Ubok from the Pleiadian star system, and he's been visiting for, like, they just take that extra step and tell you what the two races are, who they are, how long we've been interacting with them. Like, that's where this stops. And I think maybe, Brad, it's what you and I find so infuriating about it is just if you're gonna say, I know of two of the different races of aliens, just go on to say, it's the neb blocks and the, you know, like, you know what I mean? Like, just go on and finish it. Like, why say two, but then not reveal who it is? Is that the classified? You know, I just don't understand, you know, where disclosure sort of begins. What are we? Actually, it seems like the things that. That remain classified are the things that would make everybody without a doubt go, yes, this is real.

[Julian Field]

Exactly.

[Jake]

Instead of fucking, you know, hacking, and back and back and forth like, we are on this show.

[Julian Field]

And you know, all of that just brings up the major criticism of the documentary, which is that very few people featured in it, almost none have actually seen anything firsthand. It's just accounts that they've been told by other people or photos that they've seen or videos that they've been showing, with the exception of Fravor and Graves, who both had encounters while piloting. But there's only one small scene that features eyewitness accounts. And again, these are all like military personnel. But it's one of the more compelling parts of the doc, I thought, where they go through like all the sightings at the Air Force bases. Here's Terry Lovelace, retired Air Force, with his sighting on Whiteman Air Force Base.

[Brad Abrahams]

The captain was looking, just looking up with his mouth open. And I looked, I look up and I see this object right over the missile launch tube. Multifaceted, matte black, finished, an oddly shaped diamond, absolutely silent, made no noise. There was no means of propulsion. 50ft up in the air, sitting absolutely still. And it was, it was amazing. And we kind of looked at one another and we were just human beings witnessing something extraordinary. And while we're watching this thing, it went from dead still and it shot off toward the horizon and was, was gone. Absolutely instant acceleration.

[Julian Field]

See, that's the, you know, that sense of wonder that I'm looking for when people have experienced something. But there's like literally just like three, three shots or scenes where someone's actually experienced that. And surprisingly, like very little time is devoted to why these beings are here, which is another huge question. And their only reasoning is that since deton atomic bombs, that we've just become a potential threat and they've been assessing us as a threat. I want to take it back to our boy Lou Elizondo and his credentials. This gets murky, so stay with me. Back in 2008, the late Senator Harry Reid funneled 22 million for UFO research which went to his friend and donor Robert Bigelow's own aerospace company. That contract was called osap, or Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program, with Lou assigned to it as a counterintelligence office officer. Lou says he then directed a Pentagon follow up program called aatip, or the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. The Pentagon says AATIP was just a brief internal effort to figure out what OS app had been and that far from being the director, Elizondo had no responsibilities in it whatsoever. Elizondo says this was a character assassination attempt.

[Brad Abrahams]

As we continue to make progress, a very powerful disinformation Campaign, campaign began. This effort was to destroy my reputation and credibility full stop. They actually told the American people that.

[Jake]

Lou Elizondo did not work there.

[Brad Abrahams]

And that was an outright lie. My family and I suffered greatly for it. All you have in your life is really your credibility and your word. It's heartbreaking.

[Jake]

That is not true. In a post 2016earth. You don't have to have your word or your credibility. You can, you can go very far.

[Julian Field]

I guess we'll never really know. But according to Lou, this character assassination may turn into a real assassination. And here's the tense moment near the end of the film where he explains this.

[Brad Abrahams]

I remember one evening I was sitting with my wife on the front porch and I received a call. I recognized the voice of one of a friend of mine and he happened to be one of staffers on the Hill. And he was very shooken up and said, listen, we had a very interesting meeting on the Hill. And an extremely, extremely senior person in the US government, in the intelligence community told Congress for the record that there was a committee of 27 individuals and I'm not going to go into code names here that were mulling over the idea of using extreme measures to silence David and myself. Kill us now. People say, oh, come on, that's conspiracy. No, it's not. We have done it before under certain circumstances. We have killed Americans without due process. If they are a clear and present national security threat, we can kill Americans. Now. It's not done very often, but we can. Without a fair trial, they just disappear, Right? So here I am. If I wind up in a month from now floating in the Potomac somewhere, you know what happened? You know what happened. This is the truth. What else do would we to know?

[Julian Field]

What else do you want to know, dude? It's just.

[Brad Abrahams]

I want to know. I want to know why you're following me in this bar from table to table. Leave me alone. I mean, you're right. It's like, yeah, this, this, this bullshit. It does follow just the same arc of like every, every kook is that like I have something to reveal. The only reason people are pushing back on me is because it's so explosive. And what I'm saying is the truth.

[Jake]

And I'm not suicidal and like they're.

[Brad Abrahams]

Going to kill me.

[Jake]

It's like but, but slick.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's just, it's just the exact same narrative as every other kook but is.

[Jake]

Higher production values than a gu.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think like when you get a guy like this in a documentary, you should also assemble the rest of his family, and they get to interact with him.

[Jake]

I think we're more likely to see Age of Disclosure, too, than we are to see anything happen to our boy.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. There's one last clip of Lou I'd like to share. That played out somewhat early in the film. To me, it's very revealing. It's a mindset and motivation common among the subjects we cover in this podcast.

[Brad Abrahams]

During one of my routine, hellish commutes back home, as I was stuck in traffic, looking in front of me and behind me and seeing thousands of cars, I had this profound sense of isolation, A feeling I had never felt before in my life, a feeling that I was completely alone. I might as well been living on the dark side of the moon. None of these people around me, in fact, no one anywhere, had any idea of what was actually going on around them. Not a clue. I thought to myself, these individuals deserve to know the truth. The mere fact that we're not alone in the universe. How can any one organization, institution, religion, or government control that or censor that or gatekeep that? No one has the right to keep fundamental truths away from the American. American people and humanity. Hey, Lou, tell that story where you're in traffic.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. You know, it's just that same old story that these people are, you know, they. And they alone are the keepers of some secret knowledge, and they alone can get the word out and change the world if only people, like, aren't, you know, trying to foil him at every turn.

[Brad Abrahams]

Do you remember that Tom Cruise interview on Oprah Winfrey?

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Where he's losing his shit? There's one line that I'll never forget where he's like, well, sometimes I'm driving, and I see, like, you know, like, a crash, and, you know, somebody's crashed, and I just go, they don't know. Like, I'm the only one who, like, knows and can, like, help. What the are you talking about, you scientologist insane person?

[Jake]

To be fair, Tom Cruise has pulled over at car wrecks and helped people out of the crash.

[Julian Field]

Well, so. So has Werner Herzog, apparently.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, he didn't use his, like, I went clear powers or whatever.

[Julian Field]

The.

[Jake]

He's just pulled over in his. On his motorcycle or something.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah. Well, good for him.

[Jake]

But yeah, or landed his plane or something like that.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, but he's not a magical being that has, like, a. Went clear in Scientology and, like, understands the, like, metaphysical nature of the universe.

[Jake]

Man, he looks great for 75.

[Brad Abrahams]

I'm kind of tired, honestly. We need to. We need to retire this bitch. I know he's Mr. Movies, but like, dude, the latest few fucking Mission Impossibles were shit.

[Julian Field]

Well, that's why Age of Disclosure made more money than it on Amazon Prime.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, no shit.

[Jake]

Yes. Yeah, Age of Disclosure closure is crushing right now. The homies are talking about. I have a group chat of like, my like, non podcast friends who are all like, have you guys seen it? Have you listened to the Rogan episode with the director? It's even better than the movie itself. I mean, it's just.

[Julian Field]

Oh, wow, I've got a good clip from that later.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, have you seen, have you seen it? It's got that congress, that annoying shitty congressman with the eyepatch, and there's. There's a Rubio who's a psycho.

[Jake]

Meanwhile, I'm like, guys, Call of Duty is actually a good shooter this year. Like, don't read online. Like, it's fun. You guys should come play it with me. And they don't believe me. Like, they believe, believe that, you know, they believe this guy, but they don't believe their own friend that they're going to have a fun time in a game.

[Brad Abrahams]

Have you unlocked the Marco Rubio skin?

[Jake]

No, but I look forward to it. I look forward to seeing other people in that skin, if you know what I mean.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think that Rubio should be sent to Venezuela first. If we're doing an invasion, you should be like the forward troop or whatever. Like do, do scouting, do recon.

[Jake]

You know, there's that great quote from Contact where it's like, well, if, you know, if it's just us, it'd be an awfully big waste of time. And I kind of feel the same thing about disclosure. It's like, well, if there are aliens, you spent an awfully long waste of time not finding them. Come on, where are the fucking bodies? Give me an up close pic of the ship. Let me see the language. Let me see the Stargate. Just, it's hard for me to believe that all we have are these like, you know, grainy videos from, you know, of a thing going 40,000 miles per hour. And we're zoomed in from, you know, barely at the edge of the atmosphere in one of our spy planes. And like, that's kind of the best we got. And then just like dots in the sky. Lights. Okay, they're a triangle. Okay, they're a star. Okay, they're a circle. Okay, they're gone. You know, I don't know. I believe in aliens. I've seen a ufo. I believe that I've seen a ufo. Like, I am an experiencer, and I still think this doc is bad.

[Julian Field]

Yep.

[Jake]

Speaking of Cruise, you're doing pre crime for angry Patreon comments.

[Julian Field]

Age of Deception. The film lays bare an unavoidable hypocrisy at the heart of this movement. The central selling point is that all these witnesses are military intelligence and government officials, and that's supposed to lend some kind of credibility. But at the same time, they're saying this same intelligence community that allegedly ran eight decades of deception is now trusted when individuals from that community claim that deception exists.

[Brad Abrahams]

I just had like, the vision of, like, what if Bernie Sanders was in this movie?

[Julian Field]

Oh, that would be incredible.

[Brad Abrahams]

It would be so awesome. Well, I don't know. I mean, obviously you were like, if.

[Jake]

They'Ve advanced as far as they have, it's clear that they have found a way to get along with each other politically and start taking care of the poorest in their society. Clearly they have advanced to. He could use it to push. Like, he could be a better demosocious.

[Brad Abrahams]

There is no 1%. These aliens don't have that.

[Jake]

They're all. They're all cobalt.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's.

[Julian Field]

They're.

[Brad Abrahams]

They're all kind of structured like the Smurfs. They all help each other. The. The main Smurf has a red hat like Karl Marx. And there's one woman, and, well, you got to share her, too.

[Jake]

And many of them are also wearing big shoes.

[Brad Abrahams]

I am troubled by the resemblance of Gargamel to a Jewish caricature.

[Julian Field]

A somewhat sobering critique comes from an unlikely source, the OG disclosure advocate and possible real life reptilian Stephen Greer, who calls the film Age of Deception and has tried to organize a boycott of it.

[Brad Abrahams]

Unsuccessfully, apparently.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah. The main thing that people need to understand is it's been done by people.

[Jake]

Who are operatives for the cabal that have been keeping this secret for, you know, 80 years. This film is really a hijacking attempt to hijack disclosure closure into a false narrative that presents it as a threat.

[Brad Abrahams]

If you see through this movie over and over and over again, they keep harping on the national security threat.

[Jake]

Well, where is that coming from? If the ETS were a threat, we.

[Brad Abrahams]

Would have had our clock cleaned the day we attacked.

[Jake]

The atomic bomb exploded in 1945. So the fact is they have.

[Brad Abrahams]

There's no evidence that they have attacked us.

[Jake]

There's every evidence we've been attacking them. Oh, cool. These guys sound. These guys sound smarter and, like, more attached to reality than anybody in the documentary. Great. These Are the Q and on guys on YouTube.

[Julian Field]

Correct.

[Jake]

Awesome. That's what I thought. Thanks.

[Brad Abrahams]

Well, there's two layers here, right? Like, obviously this is yesterday's it girl being jelly.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

But then also like, Stephen Greer is insane. Like, the things he's claimed are insane, but he's right. He's totally fucking right.

[Julian Field]

Broken clock, you know, situation. Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Why would you fucking trust the government? They have the ex head of the CIA and it's like, this is going to reveal everything. There's a cabal. You literally have the head of the fucking. The organization that you claim was like the fucking center of the cabal. And he's just like, wow, well, I'm falling asleep a little bit. You know, I will say that I.

[Jake]

He's like, am I right? Or I specifically asked for black licorice.

[Brad Abrahams]

Like, I'm sorry. If I was the maker of the movie and I was. I knew that I was going to claim the CIA is the center of the COVID up. Why would I have the ex director?

[Jake]

Yeah, the whole point would be leading up to the final. You would do it for Netflix as a series. First of all, binge it. And the final episode would be leading up to you cornering the director, you know, and you kind of make it look like it's behind the camera. You're like, director Clapper, do you have knowledge? And he's like, shit my pants. And you're like, director Clapper, do you have knowledge? And he's like, ah, Susan, they're harassing me, you know, or whatever. Like some kind of off camera confrontation, you know, like the. What's the one with the guy who admitted he murdered all the people while he was taking a piss?

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, yeah, I killed them all, of course.

[Jake]

Come on. Yeah, come on. Like, yeah, you need cl. You need Clapper getting, getting helped into a bathroom, hearing like horrible sounds of diarrhea and then, and then him going, I. We've got all the ships, of course.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, yeah, we need that. We need that like Naked Gun scene. But also like, it's so funny because it's like Clapper, like his only contribution, right? Okay. So like, I guess he adds pedigree, right? He is the ex director of the CIA. So if you're just looking for high up people that make it look credible, he is a good person to use. But then the only thing he says is like, I guess like what any.

[Julian Field]

Dumbass would say, like, oh, there's intelligent life.

[Brad Abrahams]

There's a lot of like, space out there we don't really understand. And the chances are probably pretty high. And then keep in mind this is a guy who has, like, directly ordered and overseen the, like, assassination of, like, probably thousands of people, a lot of them innocent. Like, this man is, like, haunted. And you're bringing him on and be like, well, the universe is a wondrous place. Oh, and now we're gonna cut to Hitler to tell us about how vast these galaxies really are.

[Julian Field]

I mean, we all have a past, Julian.

[Brad Abrahams]

That's so true.

[Jake]

He's like Paulie. He's like Paulie when he goes to the medium and she sees all the ghosts around him of the people that he's murdered.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, and, like, you killed someone with, like, a brain worm from, like, water. So. I know about your past, pal.

[Jake]

He's talking to Brad, by the way, not me. I haven't killed him. I am responsible for zero deaths.

[Brad Abrahams]

Very defensive. Now, I kind of suspect you as well.

[Julian Field]

Greer also threw some backhanded shade at the director, Dan Farah.

[Brad Abrahams]

I don't think the director, to be honest with you. Dan Farah, who I met with for many hours some years ago, I would.

[Jake]

Say was not very astute.

[Brad Abrahams]

And I think he's being used by people who he thinks would know what they're talking about. Again, I. I don't think that Mr. Farah, who, as I said, is not very astute.

[Jake]

I think he saw an opportunity to.

[Brad Abrahams]

Make a film with people with credentials, and he seized it and he did it. Which is okay. I mean, he's Hollywood. He's not a scientist, he's not an.

[Jake]

Investigator, and he's a money guy. He's a.

[Brad Abrahams]

He's a money person.

[Jake]

So that I understand.

[Brad Abrahams]

It's not hard to figure that motivation out. It's very philistine. Typical LA Hollywood money grubbing scene. I've been doing this my whole life. I've been doing this my whole life. I default on my loan every. Every month. I can't pay alimony. This guy comes along and makes a bunch of money. God damn it.

[Julian Field]

Millions. Yeah. Back to my critique. There's a real historical precedence here that should raise a lot of red flags for people. In the 1980s, Richard Doty, a special agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, ran operations specifically designed to manipulate people talking about UFOs. His most documented target was, of course, Paul Benowitz, an electronics businessman who'd been monitoring signals near Kirtland Air Force Base. Rather than simply denying anything unusual was happening, Doty fed Benowitz fabricated documents, fake photographs, and elaborate stories about underground alien bases. And Human alien cooperation on the unsavory side.

[Brad Abrahams]

He wasn't trapped and was a teenager and had down syndrome.

[Julian Field]

The goal was to discredit him so thoroughly that anything he might have legitimately observed about classified military programs would be dismissed as the ravings of a UFO phone nut. It worked, and tragically, Benowitz suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized. Doty also fed disinformation to William Moore, author of the Roswell Incident, who later admitted at a 1989 MUFON conference that he'd knowingly spread false information in exchange for supposed insider access.

[Brad Abrahams]

And then he explained that the government put that on my computer. Yeah.

[Julian Field]

The infamous Majestic 12 documents, which shaped UFO conspiracy culture for decades, trace directly back to Doty, who as well.

[Brad Abrahams]

Isn't there, like, kind of documented moments in history where, like, some of these intelligence agencies pushed UFO stuff?

[Julian Field]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's this pretty much. And more so ridiculously, Richard Doty is now a disclosure advocate himself. And so he co authored a book called Exempt from Disclosure and has repositioned himself as someone revealing government UFO secrets. The real secrets. The same man who destroyed a researcher's sanity through deliberate fabrication now wants people to believe him. The CIA also openly admitted it used UFO mythology to hide classified programs. So according to declassified documents, over half of all UFO reports from the 50s to the 60s were actually sightings of now known spy planes. And they preferred the public believing it was spacecraft over knowing about, you know, real reconnaissance flights. Which brings me back to the to the Stars Academy. In interviews, Tom delong described his pitch to the government insiders as.

[Brad Abrahams]

Thus I went and explained to them the military industrial complex has been painted in a very bad light over the years. I can help change these perceptions and even help with plausible deniability as the information I was given slowly trickled forward. Listen, if you admit that the aliens are real, I will help you cover up the mass graves in Palestine.

[Julian Field]

The defense news website, the war zone's analysis of to the Stars Academy was stark.

[Brad Abrahams]

Delong is either lying as company can't be trusted, or dark areas of the military industrial complex had a direct hand in its founding.

[Jake]

I promise I'm not lying.

[Brad Abrahams]

Additionally, what's his age again?

[Jake]

And I my company can't be trusted. I can't even do the pen.

[Julian Field]

You're losing it.

[Brad Abrahams]

You know what he is? He's like. He's like. He's like the dumb, evil version of like, Roger Waters.

[Julian Field]

Yes.

[Brad Abrahams]

Where it's like he just, like, took a fucking detour from, like, music. But Roger did it for good. And this guy is like, I will literally help like the military industrial complex if like, if I can look right for moment.

[Julian Field]

TTSA's founding board are almost all former counterintelligence officials. Jim Semivan, 25 years in the CIA. Hal Puthoff, former NSA Elizondo counterintelligence background. Chris Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. These are all the same people now featured prominently in Age of Disclosure. Sean Kirkpatrick, the first director of the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or Arrow, said this about the whole situation before resigning.

[Brad Abrahams]

In many respects, the narrative is a textbook example of circular reporting with each person relaying what they heard, but the information often ultimately being sourced to the same small group of individuals. During a full scale year long investigation, Arrow discovered a few things and none were about aliens. This narrative has been simmering for years and is largely an outgrowth of a.

[Jake]

Tip which was heavily influenced by a.

[Brad Abrahams]

Group of individuals associated with paranormal reasons. So basically like what if Scully didn't exist and they put Mulder in like the, like the broom closet with just that one I want to believe poster.

[Julian Field]

Kirkpatrick goes on to describe what intelligence professionals call a self licking ice cream cone.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Julian Field]

A closed ecosystem where the same small network generates claims, validates each other's claims, and then cites those validations as independent confirmation. Which is like a perfect sum up of this movie.

[Brad Abrahams]

I actually like removed two of my ribs to become a self licking ice cream cone.

[Julian Field]

There are also financial incentives, of course. Elizondo has a book deal, a bourbon company and speaking fees. And now an executive producer credit. Jay Stratton has a memoir for sale as well as an executive producer credit. Mellon sits on aerospace advisory boards and everyone's got a podcast appearance fee. Now none of this means these people are lying, but it does mean that a perpetual mystery is more profitable than solving it.

[Brad Abrahams]

Okay, well I mean I don't have any, any like firm evidence, but I'm going to just say these people are lying.

[Julian Field]

The national security framing is equally as convenient if UAPS are an existential threat that justifies more funding and more secrecy. The disclosure movement and the military industrial complex it claims to oppose are completely aligned when it comes to financial interests.

[Brad Abrahams]

Dude, if we ever meet the aliens, it's going to be so fun. It's going to be like when like the, the ships first arrived in like North America and they thought it was India. And they're like, who are you guys? And they're like blah, blah, blah. And it's like, oh, cool, you're Indians. It's just the same thing. They're gonna be like, oh, so what are you? It's like, oh, well, I am a Pleiadian third generation. You mean Chinese?

[Julian Field]

Let's ask ourselves a question. If elements within the intelligence community wanted to manipulate public perception through a UFO narrative for whatever reason, what would that look like? Probably like this. Former intelligence and military officials suddenly becoming disclosure adverse advocates. Information released through non governmental channels with, quote, unquote, plausible deniability. Claims that can never be verified because evidence remains classified. A network of credentialed figures who validate each other's claims. Media partners who report claims completely uncritically. Congressional allies who hold hearings but never obtain actual evidence. Perpetual promise of imminent disclosure that never quite arrives, and a national security framing that justifies increased defense spending. So I'm being unkind, but this sounds exactly like the Age of Disclosure.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think why this doesn't work on us is because we've extensively studied a, like, highly ranked, like, guy who was the head of JSOC, a multiple star general who believed in fucking QAnon.

[Julian Field]

Right.

[Brad Abrahams]

So you can't tell me that any of these things matter. These guys can be as dumb as your drunk neighbor.

[Julian Field]

Yep. Recently, even the film's most lauded participants has downplayed his role in how he's represented in the film. Here's little Marco Rubio on Hannity.

[Brad Abrahams]

Get his ass. Get his ass, little Marco Rubio.

[Jake]

Gotta ask you, there's.

[Brad Abrahams]

There's a show that's come out.

[Jake]

It's called the Age of Disclosure.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Okay.

[Brad Abrahams]

I know everyone probably, right.

[Julian Field]

Everyone asks you about it. Sure. It's a new documentary. We had repeated instances of something operating.

[Brad Abrahams]

In the airspace over restricted.

[Julian Field]

No nuclear facilities. It's not ours.

[Brad Abrahams]

And presidents operate on a need to know basis.

[Julian Field]

Yeah. Okay, that is so a couple points on it. First of all, I'm not disavowing. That was an interview that was done almost maybe three or four years ago when I was in the Senate. So it wasn't recent. The second point I would make, I was describing the allegations that people have come forward with. They would come forward and say that there were programs in the US Government that not even presidents were made aware of. So I was describing what people had said to me, not things that I have firsthand knowledge of in that regard.

[Brad Abrahams]

A little bit of selective editing.

[Julian Field]

But it's okay because, you know, you're.

[Brad Abrahams]

Trying to sell a show there. Listen, they promised me a basket of fruit and cocktail shrimp.

[Julian Field]

Rubio continues I can't comment on the.

[Brad Abrahams]

Rest of the documentary.

[Julian Field]

It has, as I said, claims from.

[Brad Abrahams]

People that were former admirals, naval fighters.

[Julian Field]

People with high clearances in government.

[Brad Abrahams]

Some of them are pretty spectacular claims.

[Julian Field]

I'm not calling these people liars. I don't have independence that what they're saying is true. So we have people with very high jobs in the US government that are either A, liars, B, crazy, or C, telling the truth.

[Brad Abrahams]

And two of those three options are not good.

[Julian Field]

Those three options, I don't know the answer. I don't have any point of, you.

[Brad Abrahams]

Know, I don't want to call them liars.

[Julian Field]

I just don't have any independent way to verify everything they said.

[Brad Abrahams]

You're so close, Marco. You're so close. They're either stupid, liars, crazy, or, oh, I can't remember the last one, but I'm not accusing them of this.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, or the only maybe positive thing.

[Brad Abrahams]

God, everyone is just dancing around the fact that like everyone's insane.

[Julian Field]

The Disclosure cinematic universe. If we're not going to trust politicians, intelligence or military whistleblowers or documentaries that feature them, then who? I'm personally drawn to first hand accounts, especially if they're just average Joes, you know, people with no agenda or connections where we can learn about both like weird phenomena and the human condition.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, I definitely would. I would trust a schizophrenic logger over any of these fuckers.

[Julian Field]

So as promised earlier, I said I'd break down the UFO documentary landscape and also give some suggestions of films I actually like. So the most prolific figure is of course Stephen Greer, former ER physician turned Disclosure patriarch. His 2017 film the Unacknowledged was the highest grossing documentary of that year. He pioneered the modern UFO doc business model. You know, crowdfunding films that end with pitches for his Close Encounters of the 5th kind contact app and $3,000 ahead expeditions where you can summon aliens yourself. Which is really like a friend of his firing a flare into the sky at night. His films are like, they've been technically competent but like absolutely shameless. Then there's James Fox and he's generally considered, you know, more credible, maybe the most credible and mainstream UFO documentarian and been at it since the 90s. So he did the phenomenon in 2020 and then moment of contact in 2022 and focused on like pretty well documented incidents with multiple witnesses like the aerial school case in Zimbabwe. And he's more restrained than Greer and avoids like the most discredited of figures. But interestingly, Dan farah of Age of Disclosure also produced the phenomena before this documentary.

[Brad Abrahams]

You know who should have been in this?

[Julian Field]

Who?

[Brad Abrahams]

Terrence Howard. We would have.

[Julian Field]

Really. That movie would have been better as a mathematician. Yeah, you're right. Jeremy Corbel is another major operator. So he's a contemporary artist, a black belt in his own martial art, which he calls Quantum Jiu Jitsu.

[Brad Abrahams]

Oh, my God.

[Julian Field]

And he started making UFO docs after a bout of valley fever that left him unable to fight. He directed Patient 17, the Hunt for the Skinwalker, and Bob Lazar Area 51 in Flying Saucers. So I don't, like, dig the content, but he does try to do something creative with the format and stuff. Like in the Bob Lazar doc, he has Mickey Rourke narrate poetry over most of the film, which you can't, like, totally, almost unintelligible.

[Brad Abrahams]

That's so awesome. He's like. I'll tell you. He's like, I'll tell you something about these aliens. They're not gonna be non. Binary. That's wrong.

[Julian Field]

When I was just starting out in this space, like, you know, coming out with Love and saucers, I didn't really know much about the documentary landscape. He actually, like, selflessly just helped my doc get press and, like, you know, hook me up with a distributor, so I owe him that.

[Brad Abrahams]

Kiss the. The ring.

[Julian Field]

And now for. For what I actually recommend is Mark Pilkington's Mirage Men from 2013. Have you guys seen that?

[Brad Abrahams]

No.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Julian Field]

Oh, it's great. Yeah. So that's based on a book of the same name, and it documents that whole Richard Doty operation I mentioned earlier, you know, confirmed psychological operations that the Air Force ran against UFO researchers. And it's. It's like one of the only actual skeptical UFO docs out there. It's like, almost stands alone in that regard. Then there's Justin Garr's the Curse of the man who sees UFOs, which is like a small, weird, lovely about a single eccentric experiencer, Christopher Ropolo, who seems to be able to summon UFOs out of the sky on the California coast and plays, like, weird electronic music. So just focuses on this one guy's obsession and, like, what it means to him, which I dig. There's Witness of Another World by Argentinian director Alan Stevelman, which follows an indigenous man who had a close encounter as a child and has been sort of grappling with the effects of it ever since. And then lastly, there's a film called They're Here from Pacho Velez and Daniel Claridge, which I haven't seen yet. It was at Tribeca. It just sounds great because it's about using UFOs as a way to study human perception and connection, et cetera. But because it's not sensational enough or making any claims, it hasn't found any distribution.

[Brad Abrahams]

That's so fucking awesome. You can literally find the Stan Romanek documentary on streaming platforms.

[Julian Field]

Exactly. And then, of course, I'm going to mention my own documentary, Love and Saucers, about David Huggins, a man who claims to have lost his virginity to an alien named Crescent and paints about his experiences.

[Brad Abrahams]

I cannot recommend it enough. I've watched it twice. Both times were excellent. I recommend it to people all the time. And I also own an original David Huggins.

[Julian Field]

Yes, it's a lovely one, too. So do you guys have any, like, UFO docs that you'd recommend that you like?

[Jake]

I mean, I. I would recommend Alien Autopsy, like, one through four. This was, like, I think a DVD series you could order from the back of a catalog from, you know, 1990 through, I'm sure the early 2000s. So I. Yeah, that's pretty cool. If anybody's got a copy of that, actually send it to me.

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah, I will recommend. And I want to cover this in the future because the guy is so crazy, but, yes, the Stan Romanek story.

[Julian Field]

It is.

[Brad Abrahams]

It is. It's got. It's got so much going on. It's very funny, and it's totally insane. And, you know, your. Your jaw will drop. It's not useful to understand anything except, like, a man slowly revealing his own insanity.

[Julian Field]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, what was just sort of revealed today was this billboard in Times Square that you can see there, which is Spielberg's new film, which is about disclosure. Jake, will you describe the poster?

[Brad Abrahams]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Now, here's a chance to see some interesting aliens. It's on that big. They do the big corner ad now, where, you know, it's, like, on. It's, like a right angle. It's a right. It's a wrap. LED screen, I guess, in Times Square. And it just looks like, kind of. It's almost as if I'm peeking out through a hole in a garbage bag. And there's an alien head looking in sort of your typical gray, except it has more human, like, eyes with sort of amber irises and eyelashes instead of just sort of.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think it just looks like a child's face.

[Jake]

I mean.

[Julian Field]

Oh, really? Interesting.

[Brad Abrahams]

I don't see anything alien about it. Like this. This could just be an Upside down, child's face put through, like, a little filter.

[Julian Field]

That looks.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah, it does kind of look. When you turn it upside down, it.

[Brad Abrahams]

Looks vaguely like a bird. There's, like, the shape. Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah, there's a bird. Yeah. Wait a minute. There's a. It is a shape of a bird. It looks like some kind of woodpecker.

[Brad Abrahams]

I think if you're taking this shit too seriously, like, you can get corrected for that by realizing that this corner ad is bookended on both sides by just Hershey's. A long red strip that says Hershey's store.

[Jake]

Sort of takes the fun out of everything. But I do. I'll go see this.

[Julian Field]

I mean, sure.

[Jake]

I really liked War of. I liked Spielberg's War of the Worlds, obviously. Tom Cruise.

[Brad Abrahams]

That was so bad.

[Jake]

Well, I liked it.

[Julian Field]

Jake, you're turning into. You're turning into, like, Greg Turkington.

[Jake]

I mean, yes, I. I liked it. That doesn't necessarily mean it was good.

[Brad Abrahams]

Spielberg is no longer hot.

[Jake]

You know what I did washed up that a lot of people did is that movie that came out recently on Hul, where it was a silent film about the girl who is protecting her house from the three aliens who sort of like come in. It's sort of like a reverse. It's sort of. Kind of like a Goldilocks story, but instead of three bears, it's three aliens.

[Julian Field]

And I hadn't even heard of it.

[Jake]

I really didn't like it. It's called, like, no one can hear you scream. I don't know.

[Julian Field]

It's some.

[Jake]

No one alone. I don't know. I don't know the names. It's Talk to me. No one alone. No one can hear you. Nobody can scream. Everybody's yelling. You know, it's just the way they name movies nowadays, too. It's too unconventional. Where's Die Hard? You know, Die Soft? You know, you could do all sorts of variations on titles that we already like and we already know what the.

[Brad Abrahams]

Fuck is going on.

[Julian Field]

Back to the Spielberg film. There was, like, a Daily Mail article that said there may be actual extraterrestrials in his movie.

[Jake]

Oh, well, that. That's. I did see that as well.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Good PR angle.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Jake]

They would choose Mr. Spielberg to be the one to have real aliens, just like he had real time dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.

[Julian Field]

Yeah.

[Brad Abrahams]

Unfortunately, what the Daily Mail means by that is Jews.

[Julian Field]

All right, that's. That's it, everyone.

[Brad Abrahams]

Beautiful.

[Jake]

Wow. This was a. This was a. A brilliant analysis of this movie. We're all in agreement. I don't think anybody here loved it or found it particularly interesting.

[Julian Field]

No, no, nothing. Nothing about it.

[Jake]

No.

[Brad Abrahams]

But like, I feel like I'm going insane but because for years now people are like, oh, this movie's awesome for whatever new thing that comes out and I to want. And I'm like, this sucks shit. Am I going crazy? People love really bad stuff. So this was so boring. Yeah.

[Julian Field]

I think it's because people are. People are just used to watching YouTube and this is just like a kind of prettied up YouTube video.

[Brad Abrahams]

Honestly, YouTube is more exciting than fucking Netflix.

[Julian Field]

That's true.

[Brad Abrahams]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. If you are not yet subscriber and you're not receiving the second episode for every main one that goes out for free because we're so kind and generous. Well, you should go to patreon.com and let's be honest, it's paltry. The price hasn't changed in seven years. It's $5. So just pay $5 a month a second episode and we will be eternally grateful for you. You know, maybe Jake will get a raise from like the 150amonth to 200amonth.

[Jake]

I certainly hope so. I've been if you guys come through living on slime.

[Brad Abrahams]

But no, thank you so much, guys. We appreciate you and we couldn't do this without you. So yeah, thank you to all of our subscribers who on main usually have to hear this pitch even though they've already, you know, they've already like joined the cult and pledged their allegiance to us. So we're very grateful.

[Jake]

Thank you. Very grateful to the tens of thousands of you crazy. Exactly.

[Julian Field]

And I wanted to say I just finished Truly Tradley deeply. It's incredible like that. It's sort of like my homeschooling.

[Brad Abrahams]

It was so good. Go to cursemedia.net and binge the entirety of Truly Tradley deeply and understand anti feminism, the Tradwife movement, and a variety of other things over the course of a very like, well researched and deeply and respectfully treated subject. Really, really amazing. And you can also, of course get Liv and Spencer's series Science and Transition, which explores, you know, the history of like the trans identity within the medical community, how it was understood. And you're going to find out a lot of weird perverts were involved with, let's say, experimenting on poor children. Anyways, it's really good. It's fascinating as well. Like, I'm just so grateful that we work with such intelligent people and I can't recommend it enough. Cursed media.net go there and sign up. You help us continue to commission these shows and, and give them the attention of the, the production that they deserve. And also I'm really glad to be back, so it's nice to, you know, yell at you guys at the end of an episode.

[Julian Field]

Welcome back, Julian.

[Brad Abrahams]

Thank you, Brad.

[Julian Field]

I missed you. It's been, yeah, it's been a while since I've been on.

[Brad Abrahams]

I know. I always miss you. I was just talking to someone else like yesterday about like how nice of a guy you are and how like you, you just have like so you know everybody. Like you have so many friends but you're, you've never name dropped, you've never been pretentious. Just, just a great guy. So appreciate you, buddy.

[Julian Field]

No, thank you so much, Julian.

[Brad Abrahams]

Also extremely talented filmmaker once again. Go, go watch Love and Saucers. Thank you for everything else. We've got a website, qapodcast.com and guess what, Listener until next week. May the deep dish bless you and keep you.

[Julian Field]

We have autocheat content based on your preferences.

[Brad Abrahams]

Ultimately, it's going to have to happen and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out. I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say definitively humanity's not alone in the universe. We have recovered technology of non human origin. So have other nations. There is a high stakes secret cold war race to reverse engine this technology we need to win this race. And the US Intends to lead in this new chapter. Well, if that is going to happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that's willing to do something crazy. I think it's very likely that he does that. I know that he is aware of the film. I know he's aware of what people in his administration say. Has he watched it? You know that he has not watched the film, but I know he's very aware of it. And I know that they are discussing internally how they're going to react to the film publicly. And I also know that he has.

[Julian Field]

Recently, very recently tasked Tulsi Gabbard with.

[Brad Abrahams]

Getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't.