The Skokie Affair (E359)

Summary

QAA Podcast – Episode 359: The Skokie Affair (E359)

Date: February 11, 2026
Hosts: Jake Rockatansky, Liv Agar, Travis View

---

Episode Overview

This episode takes a deep dive into "The Skokie Affair," an infamous legal and cultural battle that unfolded in 1977 when the National Socialist Party of America (NSPA), an offshoot of the American Nazi Party, attempted to stage a march in Skokie, Illinois—a suburb with a large Jewish population, including many Holocaust survivors. Through a mix of personal stories, historical research, and current events commentary, the hosts explore the enduring tension between free speech, hate speech, and the fight against fascism in America. Interlaced throughout are updates on contemporary neo-Nazi and far-right activity, drawing uncomfortable but illuminating parallels between then and now.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal & Historical Introduction

[00:50–07:47]

• Jake shares memories growing up in Skokie, a Jewish suburb of Chicago: “You know, my grandparents, they had, you know, Tevye statues and stuff in the basement. … These were Jewish people.” (Jake, 02:49)
• He discusses the humor and unique self-critique within Jewish culture, as well as childhood experiences that intersected with identity and mild trauma.
• The hosts laugh about growing up atheist or enduring Christian Sunday school and how identity impacts childhood worldview.

---

2. Contextualizing Skokie and Neo-Nazi Activity

[07:47–13:13]

• Jake introduces the historical "Skokie Affair," explaining his motivation to research it properly after misunderstanding it in a prior episode.
• Liv and Travis riff on the public rebranding of American Nazis and how today’s neo-Nazis operate openly.
• Introduction of Frank Collin, leader of the NSPA, and his rationale for escalating neo-Nazi demonstrations.

---

3. Modern Update: QAnon Nazis & Jaden Scott

[13:13–20:03]

• Jake gives a current event update on Jaden Scott, a far-right influencer blending QAnon rhetoric, white nationalist aesthetics, and online performativity.
  • Notable Quote:

    "We have the ball from fifth generation warfare... I'm here, boots on, growling in my bunker."
    – Jaden Scott video (10:34)

• The hosts mock Scott’s bunker videos for their theatricality, awkward production, and reception online, highlighting how even some right-wing supporters criticize his delivery:
  • “I've seen some gay shit before, but this is peak butt plug material.”
    – Crypto Soprano (Jake, quoting, 13:36)
  • “Conservative here. I get the sentiment, but this is low key gay. Gives me liberal theater boy vibes.” (Soflo Rat, 14:15)
• They note a shift in QAnon culture: from “Trust the plan—Patriots are in control” to “You are a patriot in control,” and muse on the blurred distinction between ironic trolling and sincere belief in these circles.

---

4. Contemporary Skokie Echoes: Public Far-Right Performances

[20:03–29:46]

• Discussion of Jake Lang, another far-right figure, who vandalized a “Prosecute ICE” ice sculpture, was arrested, and made self-incriminating posts online—a sign of the performative self-destruction endemic to this movement.
• Commentary on how modern social media platforms boost the reach and self-image of even marginal extremist figures:
  • “Folks, we've got the dumbest Nazis.” (Jake, 26:08)
• Reflection on the fake metrics and audience engagement possibilities on X (Twitter), drawing analogies with QAnon’s conspiracy about simulated environments.

---

5. Historical Deep Dive: The Skokie Affair

[29:46–68:06]

a. Background – Skokie, Neo-Nazis, and Trauma

[29:46–42:43]

• Skokie had a high population of Holocaust survivors: "An estimate... 40,500 were Jewish... [Skokie had] the largest number of Holocaust survivors outside of Israel." (Jake, 32:12)
• Introduction of Frank Collin (born Cohen), the NSPA leader, whose father was a Dachau survivor:
  • “Can you imagine... it's one thing if your kid doesn't become a doctor or a lawyer, God forbid, but a Hitler worshipping Nazi?” (Jake, 33:32)
• Collin’s radicalization is traced to the aesthetics of Hitler propaganda:
  • “I saw a great man, deeply committed to something very powerful. I've loved Hitler ever since." (Frank Collin, 35:12, cited by Travis)

b. Provocation and Public Fear

[41:19–44:46]

• The NSPA distributed threats and swastika-laden pamphlets in Jewish neighborhoods: “We are coming in all capital letters.”
• Residents, especially Holocaust survivors, experienced genuine terror at threat of a Nazi return:
  • “The Nazis are coming back. They're coming again.” (Howard Reich recalling parents’ reaction, 42:40)
• Collin expresses genocidal intentions in the press:
  • “I hope they're terrified. I hope they're shocked, because we're coming to get them again... the unfortunate thing is that there were so many Jewish survivors.” (Frank Collin, 43:27)

c. Skokie Responds: Legal, Civic, and Grassroots Actions

[44:46–52:32]

• Skokie tries to block the Nazis with prohibitive insurance requirements for parade permits.
• Community and Jewish groups are galvanized; debates ensue on whether to ignore the Nazis or directly counter-protest.
• Metacommentary on media complicity and the utility of denying Nazis a platform:
  • “I have a right to put him on, but I shouldn't? … I thought it was poor judgment.” (Dialogue between Abbott Rosen and Phil Donahue, 44:34)

d. Legal Battle – Free Speech vs Protection from Hate

[52:32–66:23]

• The legal fight centers on whether banning or restricting the Nazi demonstration violated the First Amendment.
  • David Goldberger (ACLU lawyer): represented Collin in the name of keeping “the law clean,” despite being Jewish himself (54:20).
• Community testimony underscores both potential for self-control loss and the deep psychological violence of the march.
  • “...the very thought of seeing their uniforms in Skokie has gotten them beyond their rationality.” (Fred Richter, 55:35)
• Judge Wasek is openly hostile to Nazi cause:
  • “I have here a village with a great number of Jewish people... I have here before me a group of citizens... who endured, suffered, and God knows what happened to their respective families.” (Judge Wasek, 59:38)
• Multiple legal maneuvers, injunctions, and new city ordinances follow, escalating the case up to the Illinois and US Supreme Courts.
• Despite legal victories for free speech (including the right to display the swastika), the NSPA never actually marched in Skokie, opting for downtown Chicago instead.

---

6. Legacy, Parallels, and Fallout

[66:23–71:48]

• The Skokie case damaged the ACLU’s membership and finances because of their defense of Nazi speech.
  • “The ACLU lost about 30,000 members... The income that disappeared... was about $500,000 a year.” (Jake, 63:33)
• Hosts note the tactical differences between historic and contemporary fascists: Collin’s long-game manipulation vs. today’s terminally online, irony-poisoned, less strategically competent influencers.
• After prison (for child molestation—68:41), Collin pivoted to New Age and ancient aliens grifting, showing the mutability of fringe figures over decades.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I've seen some gay shit before, but this is peak butt plug material.” – AI Soprano Twitter reply mocking Jaden Scott’s video (13:36)
• “Patriots are done. This is no longer fifth generation warfare. This is no longer peaceful protest. This is a goddamn Marxist insurgency and it will be dealt with like such.” – Jaden Scott video (11:47)
• “Folks, we've got the dumbest Nazis.” – Jake (26:08)
• “White men, white women, Swastika is calling you. The Jew is using the black as muscle against you.” – Speech lifted from NSPA answering machine, later lampooned in Blues Brothers (47:16)
• “If they march here, if they bring the swastika here, I swear to you, nothing, there is nothing, will keep me from fighting.” – Dramatic Scokie survivor in CBS film adaptation (48:39)
• “...in our opinion, they compel us to permit the demonstration as proposed, including display of the swastika.” – Illinois Supreme Court, final decision (65:03)
• The hosts’ conclusion: “I can only hope that our current Nazis will also be themselves found to be pedophiles and arrested.” – Jake (72:17)

---

Thematic Takeaways & Reflections

• Echoes Through Time: The episode draws clear lines from the NSPA of 1977 to today’s digital-age fascists—showing both the new trajectories of radicalization and the old, ugly cores.
• Free Speech Conundrum: Skokie is used as a prism for examining the deep challenges of American speech law—defending the indefensible has costs and paradoxes the ACLU still struggles with.
• Fascist Performances: Both eras feature performative hate—marches, costumes, videos—engineered to terrorize, provoke, and win attention rather than broad support.
• Resistance Then & Now: The counter-protest tactics, legal maneuvers, and community organizing of the Skokie era loom as both caution and inspiration for activists who confront modern extremism.

---

Key Timestamps

• 01:47 – Introduction to Skokie and personal context
• 09:22 – Modern neo-Nazi influencer update
• 13:36 – Jaden Scott's video and online ridicule
• 20:11 – Jake Lang vandalism/ICE incident
• 29:46 – Main history segment: The Skokie Affair
• 32:12 – Skokie's Holocaust survivor population
• 33:26 – Frank Collin's background and radicalization
• 42:40 – Holocaust survivors’ fear and trauma, family reactions
• 47:16 – Pop culture: Blues Brothers and the Nazi speech
• 54:20 – ACLU representation and legal dilemma
• 59:38 – Judge Wasek’s powerful rebuke of Nazism
• 65:03 – Supreme Court decision on free speech and swastika
• 68:41 – Frank Collin’s criminal conviction and afterlife as pseudoscientist

---

Tone & Language

The episode moves between dark humor, caustic ridicule, earnest historical narration, and moments of heartfelt personal reflection. The hosts remain irreverent about the idiocy of fascists but serious about the dangers. Jake, Liv, and Travis freely share anecdotes and opinions, blending banter and sound analysis in their trademark style.

---

Conclusion

Through the lens of the Skokie Affair, the QAA hosts examine the recurring specter of American fascism, the dilemmas of free speech, and the evolution of hate from parades to viral videos. The fallout for the ACLU and the ongoing necessity of vigilance against hate are clear, with history as both lesson and warning.

---

For more:

• Subscribe to the QAA podcast feed or join their Patreon for deeper dives (patreon.com/qaa)
• Liv’s writing at thevegar.com and Twitch streaming at twitch.tv/laveagar

Transcript

[A]

Sam, if you're hearing this, well done. You found a way to connect to the Internet. Welcome to the qaa podcast, episode 359, the Skokie Affair. As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rockatansky, Liv Agar, and Travis View. How is everybody doing today?

[B]

I'm good. I just wanted to mention that in the script, instead of Jake's name, he wrote Jake Rock. I think that would be, like, an awesome porn star name.

[A]

It really would. That's ultimate laziness. I was like, down to the Wire trying to. I bit off way than I could chew on this episode. And down to the Wire. Jake Rock. I'll know what to say, but Jake Rock is cool. I've thought about, like, making that, like some kind of, like, performing name, like music or something, but it's a little too on the nose.

[B]

I feel like it's very Logan Strain.

[A]

It is. It's very Logan Strain coded. Yeah. Liv Agar, if that is your real name.

[B]

Mm.

[C]

Mm.

[A]

Makes you think Ragatansky isn't mine. Obviously, it's Mad Max's last name. If you don't know that by now, get with the program. All right, I guess we'll. How do we. How do we just jump into something as like, kind of like, unsettling as, like, Neo Nazis? I don't know.

[C]

Hell no. Well, we've been doing it for going on eight years now, so find a way.

[A]

I'm finding myself really loving this Nazi beat lately. I don't know. It started with, like, the Jaden Scott boys, who we're going to, by the way, we're going to check up on them. They've been up to no good as predicted. But yeah, I've been, like, really sort of curious, and I made a comment on another episode talking about remembering a story about Neo Nazis or the KKK coming to Skokie, Illinois, where my grandparents lived. But I got, like, the reference all wrong. And so to make it up to myself, I guess I decided to properly research the Skokie Affair that took place in 1977 and do a little like, sort of like a retro history kind of thing. Like, how do we deal with Nazis back then? Because today it' seems like, you know, they can kind of do whatever they want, like make T shirts, hats.

[B]

You know, the legacy of World War II in the, you know, 20th century is a bit more looming over people's consciousness in relation to Nazis now. People are like, oh, is that like a hearts of iron 4 reference you're talking about? Like, I don't.

[A]

Yeah, this was not quite as far removed. You know, I have many good memories of Skokie, Illinois, from when I was a child. My grandparents lived there, and I remember it being very Jewish, just like them. You know, my grandparents, they had, you know, Tevye statues and stuff in the basement. They were. You know, there was a Henny Youngman giant book of Jewish jokes. My grandmother played mahjong. She smoked Pall Mall unfiltered. They drank Canfield's 50.

[B]

50.

[A]

These were Jewish people.

[B]

Jewish ASMR. Just like old memories. The stimuli.

[A]

Matzo ball Tzedakah. Hamantaschen. For all my Jews. For all my Jews out there will know those things. Hamantaschen are really good little cookies. They're like triangle cookies that have a jelly center, and they're shaped in. They're supposed to be shaped after a Purim character's hat. Everybody thinks, like, Jews are so. They're like, oh, they rule the world. But, like, meanwhile, we're having. We, like, baked cookies that are supposed to look like hats. I don't know. I don't know how you could be so scared of these people. Anyways, my brother and I were very keenly aware when someone was more Jewish than we were, and we found that incredibly funny. One thing you got to understand about growing up as a Jew is there's a lot to laugh about. You know, as a Christian kid, you know, from my understanding, Sunday school is, like, mostly a nightmare from beginning to end that leaves people very traumatized. Can either of you testify to this?

[C]

Well, yeah, I certainly. It introduces you to a very strange metaphysical system of. That's spoken of in a very strange way. So, yeah, honestly, Sunday school is a. I remember being a very odd introduction to Christianity.

[B]

As a. As an atheist kid who's not raised religious, it's kind of flat, you know, this or that. You know, it's kind of neutral.

[A]

But you were like. As an atheist kid, like, was there a religion that, like, you went. You saw your friends have. And you were like, I kind of would rather have that one.

[B]

Most of my friends growing up also did not believe in God. Vancouver, British Columbia, is like, a godless place.

[A]

They believed in weed and Good.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

In good. Dope, good. Look at the red hairs on that weed.

[B]

And drinking in a field way too early because there's nothing to do.

[A]

Yeah. What about cigarettes? How'd you guys feel about those?

[B]

No, those were. They did a pretty good job at making us not do those. Like, when vapes came in, it was just, like. Just ruined all of the progress Made for that. But that was a bit like later. We always noticed at a lot of international kids at our school, they loved cigarettes, they smoked. And we were just like, that's kind of strange. Like, you know, those are bad for you.

[A]

Yeah. You were like, you don't get anything from that. Like they don't make you high or anything. I don't understand. You're just addicted to it. I don't understand.

[B]

Smells gross.

[A]

It's good with coffee and after meals, you know. The scary sort of traumatization was very much the opposite of my Sunday school experience. Our shit was co ed, there was snacks allowed, lots of different holidays with accompanying accessories and cuisine. Now I don't remember a whole lot because it was a very long time time ago, but I don't have any bad memories from Hebrew school. I remember like getting my first crush. I remember like saving up money for the vending machine so I could get like sodas and treats that I couldn't have at home. And like mostly young kind of camp counselor type people that would play the guitar and like definitely were, you know, were burners. Like it was pretty good vibes overall. The other thing you gotta understand is that part of being Jewish is to be anti Semitic. And I don't mean to offend anybody, but this is just kind of part and parcel for the course. You're anti Semitic to yourself, you're anti Semitic to people who are more Jewish than you, people who are less Jewish than you. It's kind of part of the fun. And so at a young age, my brother and I were aware that Skokie was a much more Jewish neighborhood than our own. My grandparents were pretty active in their local synagogue. And one time when I was like six or so, they made me be a part of a shul fashion show. And I think my brother was too. And we had to walk the Runway in front of like a handful of books and schmatis. So maybe there is a little bit of trauma. I was wearing a. There are pictures from it at my parents house. I was wearing a baby blue jumpsuit with like a clear blue plastic visor. It was like baby blue. I was really young, like I must have been like five or six. And my brother, I don't even know if he was old enough that they trusted him. Because up on the. There was like a stage that we walked across. Anyways, there are pictures. I hope they never come out. And all this to say it is no mistake that in 1977 the National Socialist Party of America, an offshoot of the American Nazi Party chose Skokie, Illinois as the intended location of their so called white power demonstration.

[B]

Bit of like a Charlottesville 2013 moment, was it? 2013?

[A]

Yes, absolutely.

[C]

Also smart bit of branding for the National Socialist Party of America. You know, that it's like that doesn't. That isn't. People don't react to that immediately quite as well or quite as strongly as when they hear the words American Nazi Party a little more blunt.

[B]

Yeah, those people are not trying to win. That's a LARP at some level. It's just.

[A]

Yeah, well. And the guy who started the National Socialist Party, Frank Collin, who we'll get into, he thought that the American Nazi Party was too, too old school. He was like, you know, we're not doing enough. We need to be doing more. We need to be out in the streets. And I'm talking about this today because given my latest anxiety surrounding a very out and proud group of Trump 2.0 neo Nazi influencers, I was reminded of hearing about the Skokie case, as it's sometimes called, from family and educators, and I was curious how the neighborhood responded then. You know, what safeguards were put in place over 50 years ago to keep these losers at bay? I really wanted to know. Turns out there was a book about it. So I'll do a little bit of a classic book report. But before we get into all that, QAnon Nazis. Now, it's not an ideal segment title, but this is us, unfortunately. So I've got an update on Jaden Scott here, the guy who was yelling QAnon slogans at anti ice protesters the day after Renee Goode was murdered. He's already started making undisclosed bunker videos. On January 26 last month, he posted this to his X account.

[B]

Breaking news. Jaden Scott announces a crusade Wednesday at Maz Zone to thwart the rising insurgents. Sea and clear the roads for ice. Special guests will be there. UFC fighters in brackets. Maybe DM me for details. We will be riding at dawn. I like that he changes the tense he's using. Like it's the third person initially, Jaden Scott referring to himself.

[A]

And he's like, hit me up, hit me up. Yeah. Jaden Scott announces crusade. Yeah, The Maz Zone. They call Minneapolis like the. It's like Chad zone. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Yes, of course.

[C]

Yeah. This whole thing is a mess. Misspelling thwart, using a semicolon instead of a colon and saying the. The special guest will be UFC fighters. Question mark. I mean, this is. I don't know.

[A]

I also don't know if this qualifies as breaking news with two siren emojis. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, that'd be what you think that someone else would report the breaking news of him announcing something and not him?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

When you announce it yourself, that's not breaking news. That's just a press release.

[A]

Along with the post he attached this video.

[D]

We have the ball from fifth generation warfare. As of last night, we have found out that these men are fighting an insurgency. They've bitten the hands off dhs, they've attacked our patriot Crusaders, Cam Higby, and we still have been running counterintel. I'm here, boots on, growling in my bunker. I'm proud to announce that we have infiltrated the deepest levels of these signal chats and signal gate. Shout out to zero hour. Shout out to Cam Higby. Guys, we are now fighting an insurgency to the highest levels of Minnesota state government. The lieutenant governor is complicit in this insurrection. And in this insurgency, the Crusaders are going boots on ground tomorrow into the MASS zone, Minneapolis autonomous zone to restore law and order. And I promise it will not go down like it went with American hero Jake Lane. The Patriots are done. This is no longer fifth generation warfare. This is no longer peaceful protest. This is a goddamn march Marxist insurgency and it will be dealt with like such crusaders. DM me. Let's go to war.

[B]

Really can't emphasize enough how much of a fucking doofus this guy looks like. For context, he just, he does not look threatening. Like he's got the shark eyes and he's got the aggression, but it's like, what are you gonna do, buddy?

[A]

Like listeners, dearest listeners, I'm so sorry. For so many years we bring you horrible shit. But let me, let me paint a picture for you. This man is wearing a pristine straight off the rack bulletproof vest that is too big. It's like when they run out of life jackets at the too big rental place.

[B]

It's like Ariana Grande putting on a hoodie.

[A]

He's got a beanie with some sort of brand stitching on it, but the only word you can make out is all caps and it says men's. Also, he's wearing like a like purple tinted morphe. He has shades and is in some sort of apartment complex basement. You can hear the water heater tank behind him throughout the video.

[B]

Yeah, that's such a fascinating place to choose the recording. I wonder what the thought process was about how to go about doing that. Don't want to do it outside. People might yell at us, but Also.

[C]

I love how it begins with like, him, his back to the camera and he slowly turns around. And I just have to imagine the moment before that when he pressed record, ran into his mark, you know, with his back to the camera, then slowly turned around.

[B]

Yeah, there's a video of that that's like an extra 10 seconds long that you need to see Now.

[A]

I wasn't the only person who found the video a little overdramatic. Some of the top commenters admitted that even though they agreed with Scott's politics, they found the video a little gay.

[B]

The first guy who I believe has like an AI generated. Is that a photo of like Tony Soprano maybe?

[A]

Yeah, I think it's Tony Soprano.

[B]

He's got a dollar sign. He's like a bitcoin guy. I've seen some gay shit before, but this is peak butt plug material. Peak butt plug material is like a gem. I think I've never heard that before.

[A]

Peak butt plug material as in like this guy. This makes this crypto Soprano wanna put a butt plug in.

[B]

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense when you think about it. Other than that butt plugs are gay. I'm shoved this video in my ass, man. It's so gay.

[A]

That has 547 likes. Jaden replies to this, all caps stand with the homeland. The next commenter, Soflo Rat, says, conservative here.

[C]

I get the sentiment, but this is low key gay. Gives me liberal theater boy vibes. And it is very dramatic. It has a lot of flair. So I get, I get where, where he's coming from.

[A]

And Jaden writes low T take, get in the streets and crusade with us. But he's the comment that says gives me liberal theater boy vibes. Has 453 likes. Jaden only 68 on his low T take.

[C]

Got ratioed.

[A]

He is getting, you know, getting cooked, as they say. Getting cooked in the comments.

[B]

Yeah, I wonder if this guy is just like in an episode, you know, because the intensity too. Like, I can't imagine someone who's just always like this. And I'm sure there are people like that. But with many of these guys, many of these guys have the reaction of like, is this a manic episode?

[A]

Yeah, his. It's like he wants to make ISIS videos but like, but his language just feels kind of like outdated. Like it sort of feels like Mr. Smith goes to Washington. He's like, we're boots on ground. Yeah, in my bunker. It just feels a little bit dated. Like I don't know if you're gonna go for this Kind of dramatic flair. Like make a fucking bunker, man. Like, get some screens going. Get, like, guys click clacking. You know, make it look like you're in some sort of data center. I think it's just lazy production.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe that's why he chose that location is. It's like the most ominous. I'm like. It's like I'm underground because you're looking for me or whatever.

[A]

I'm telling you, this is a. This is a parking lot. This is. This is like a door that says, like, exit at, like, the bottom level of some parking lot somewhere. And you briefly walk through an area where all of the, like, heating machines and air conditioning units are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The last commenter says, I agree with him. It is time we take it into our own hands. This is BS and Jaden writes based. But that comment, her comment only got 35 likes. People seem to be way liking more comments, criticizing and making fun of Jaden's. Now, it's interesting to me that in Jaden's Twitter bio, where he still has a pretty modest following, I mean, only maybe 10,000 or so. A little bit more than that. He refers to himself as a patriot in control. And to me, this signifies a much more willing, active participant than what the phrase signified earlier on in the world of QAnon.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I guess that's the conclusion of QAnon failing. It's, you know, you can't trust the plan anymore. It's up to you.

[A]

Yeah, it's you. You are a patriot in control. Instead of, don't worry, Patriots are in control.

[B]

Yeah. If you're not in control, you know, there's clearly no Patriots behind the scenes right now.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's up to you.

[A]

And honestly, I'm still sort of on the fence as to whether these guys are serious QAnon believers or if it's just terminally online brain poison intended to kind of confuse and troll and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, they know that that's what the media will be talking about. And I don't know, I still. I still go back to the hit, the first video where we discovered this guy Jaden, and he says, where we come one week, like, you know, he was basically. It sounded like he was trying to just ramp off as many QAnon phrases as possible and got one wrong. And I don't know if he was just too excited or if he had learned them recently. I don't know. I don't know. I'm baking, I guess.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it makes sense that these sort of Guys, like, are they my age? It's one of those things where it's like, I don't know how if they're aging really poorly and they're my age or they're like, maybe mid-30s, I think so.

[A]

I think they're late 20s, early 30s.

[B]

Maybe, like Zillennial kind of my age. And it's a very ironic age group. And so even when they try to invoke this really serious, intense, passionate white supremacy, it has to be kind of ironic. It's like, here are these cultural signifiers. I wasn't even a part of this movement. I'm a poser. I'm jumping on four years after it actually died because that's the only way that they know how to articulate seriousness and be noticed on the Internet.

[A]

That's really interesting. Remember the videos that we had that Ford Fisher posted from the OG Jake Lang rally, where they've got the guy in the weird Biden mask throwing the chocolate coins? It's like, there's a little bit of that irony in that as well. I think you're onto something there, that there's something kind of. That's why I don't really trust fully that These guys are QAnon pilled.

[B]

Yeah. It's hard to. It's like, at a certain point, it's like a distinction without a difference. Because if you're doing it as a bit. Your honor, I was doing a white supremacist QAnon, you know, insurgency, but I was a bit. I didn't actually think QAnon was real.

[A]

Yeah. Your honor, the white supremacy stuff I do believe in, but the QAnon stuff was just kind of for fun.

[B]

Yeah. I don't actually think that there's a poster about 4chan who's in, you know, in with the president. It's like. Well, it's about what it signifies, and I'm sure, like, the politics of what it signifies. He certainly believes.

[A]

Yeah. Update on Jake Lang just yesterday, pardon Jay Sixer and proud Nazi Jake Lang, the guy who was throwing the coins in the video that we were just talking about and who was rescued by a lefty from getting beat up by a huge group of counter protesters when he showed up to the Minneapolis City hall steps to once again threaten to burn a Koran. And so Jake Lang was arrested at the Minnesota Capitol on February 5th last Thursday, after he kicked over a newly installed sculpture made out of ice that read prosecute ice, which, if I must say, is a very, very tame statement given what ice has been doing.

[B]

That's the very moderate position.

[A]

Prosecute ice.

[B]

Yeah, prosecute.

[A]

It's like a fair trial for the street executors.

[B]

Yeah, sir.

[A]

A fair trial. Their story should be heard.

[B]

I was wondering, is that less radical than Abolish ice? I guess the point is, like, we gotta do Nuremberg trials.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that would be ideal.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe that's what they mean. That would be a little bit more ideal, certainly.

[A]

So the sign was unveiled that day by a veterans group called Common Defense to call for accountability in the ICE murders of Renee Goode and Alex Preddy.

[B]

It's really how, you know, like, the Overton window has shifted, that a veterans group is like, no, we gotta do something about these secret police, Gestapo.

[A]

We gotta do something about these fucking guys. Lang had one of his buddies videotape him as he knocked over the letters so that the sign then read, pro ice, then Trump. We support you. We support ice. Our country was made for Americans, not for Somalis.

[B]

He's such a door.

[A]

Pro ice, baby. America first. America only. We'll see you here. February 7th. Saturday, 12 noon, outside the Minnesota State Capitol.

[B]

I wish, dear listener, you could see the video because he, like, when he's going up to hit the S and prosecute, he, like almost trips over it and falls.

[A]

Yes, he also. He's also doing like a little. Little, as people online pointed out, he's doing a little bit of like a pad ofure type of kick. Like, it's a very. He's dancing. He's dancing through these kicks and like, also in a funny vest and like. But wearing a weird shirt underneath. Like, it's not a tack shirt underneath. It's like.

[C]

It's like. I saw, I saw. It looks like it's like. Yeah, it's like sort of a green shirt, but it's got a pattern of these little black skulls all over it. So. Yeah. And. But it also has a nice collar. It has a collared shirt with like. Yeah. Like the outlines of skull designs all over it.

[A]

Yeah, it's like Nazi wear, Ben Sherman kind. Yeah.

[C]

Also. Yeah, these. These jungle camo pants. It's a. It's a strange get up.

[A]

Yeah, he looks like he got the shirt, like, where I get a lot of my clothes, which is like the clearance rack, like Nordstrom rack, like the whatever. The what? Wherever the, like the outlet store is. And then the clearance rack was within that outlet store. Like, at one time, this was a nice shirt, but now it's like, no longer in style or they found that the material, like, causes like, rashes under your armpits. So, like, there it is for, like, 1475. And you look at the label and you go penguin. Like, I thought this was kind of nice stuff. And then you get the shirt home and, like, it fits perfectly in the shoulders, but really tugs in that belly area in a way that you'll know you'll never wear it again. But you're so embarrassed that you don't even bother going back to Nordstrom's rack to return it for the 1475 that you fucking paid for it. So you know what it does? It sits in a bag at the bottom of your closet for years, sometimes sometimes half decades. And then you donate it to Goodwill, like, during a closet clean out, you know, one spring.

[B]

That's the difference between you, Jake Rockatansky and Jake Lang, is that Jake Lang was like, I love this shirt. I'm gonna wear this every day.

[A]

Jake Lang bought that shirt, full price. He bought it from the Ben Sherman pop up Shop. I don't know. People are like, ben Sherman, what is that? I' like trying to think of a clothing brand that was cool when I was interested in clothes. Right now I'm wearing a hoodie from the video game Redfall, which is like a doomed co op shooter on Xbox. That got panned. It was supposed to be like a first party launch, really exciting, and it got panned. But I liked the game so much that I got a sweatshirt from it. That's what I'm wearing right now.

[B]

I see. It's one of the indie kickstarter things that never came to fruition.

[A]

No, it was like an Xbox first part. It was supposed to be their big kind of series X. Like, who did it? It's some, like, really famous arcane studios maybe, like, did it. It was like people were really looking forward to it, and then it, like, kind of bombed. But I really liked it and I got the sweatshirt for it. So now you know something. Now you know another dumb thing about me. Hundreds of thousands of listeners. I forget sometimes that, like, the show is. It's like it isn't just kind of like the three of us talking to nobody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because so much of podcasting feels like that it's just the three of us on, like, a zoom call. Like, I've never even met Liv in person. Like, I don'. I don't know. I've sung out with him in real life. I don't know. Probably like less than 50 times. Probably in our entire thing. It's just like I'm looking at a computer script, but yeah, there's. Yeah, I forget that there's so many. I probably should get on with the content. In that case, shortly after Jake did his dance and he kicked over the ice sculpture, he was pulled over by a state trooper near Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage to property. Unfortunately for Lang, suspicion will soon turn to. Because he videotaped himself doing the crime and then posted it to the Internet.

[B]

So awesome.

[A]

A lot of people online were bagging on. We talked about this. They were bagging on him for struggling to destroy sections of the sculpture.

[B]

I sure hope so. I sure hope I wasn't the first one to notice that. I would have been surprised if I was.

[A]

Throughout his arrest, Lang somehow managed to tweet writing, I'm currently being arrested outside the Minnesota State Capitol for turning the. The quote prosecute ice sign the Democrats erected into the wonderful pro ice ice cube emoji. Heart emoji. And then he replied to that tweet and he goes, they are charging me with a felony for $6,000 in damage. I'm being taken to Ramsey County Jail in Minnesota. So he did get booked for that. He is arrested and it is a felony. Since the damage is more than $1,000, it could qualify for first degree destruction of property, which carries a five year jail sentence and a $10,000 fine.

[B]

Honest defense. I would not have expected the prosecute ice, like ice sculpture to be worth more than $1,000.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's going to melt away. It's just a tough.

[A]

He made a horrible error that day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even if he has to spend. And this is after he. He spent four years in, like, federal prison for Jan.6. So, like, true.

[B]

He's going back.

[A]

He might go back. What an idiot. Folks, we've got the dumbest Nazis.

[B]

Yeah. It is fascinating to see these sort of guys because it's like there are, like, actual SC fascists who have, like, you know, a compound in Oklahoma.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're not making these videos. Like, this is like the. The most pathetic loser fascist who's like, oh, I'm getting a lot of attention because people are horrified at the existence of Nazism. Like, clearly I am, like, important and I'm at the forefront. I'm on the vanguard of a white supremacist revolt. But no, it's just. You got. You went off your mood stabilizers.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

This is one of those. One of those Nazis who are, like, taking advantage of the fact that this kind of content doesn't get you banned from social media anymore. So they're like, all right, let's do, let's do the ostentatious, showy, performative, kind of like pro Nazi or Nazi adjacent content that you can on social media. And this is the result.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at, I'm looking at his tweets. They're getting more likes than any of my tweets ever have. Like, just the comment where he's like, I'm getting charged with a felony had like four and a half thousand likes on it. These guys are posting these videos and getting like, they're doing, you know, Midas touch numbers on these videos.

[B]

1.8 million Twitter views. Twitter views are fake, but it's still like a measure in some way. 36,000 likes. Yeah, I mean, he's really embarrassing himself.

[A]

Yeah, it's like, I mean, it's like, of course it's on. It's on Twitter. Like, I don't think there's any other platform where this kind of content is going to do as good. Because even, even Rumble, like, as popular as it is, like, you know, a good video on Rumble is getting like, I don't know, 10,000 views. There just isn't as big a user base as there is on, on X.

[B]

Yeah, Travis and I were talking with this a bit before that. Like, there is like a vibe shift happening, like, quote unquote woke or whatever. Like, you could definitely see that. Especially, I feel like the super bowl halftime, for instance, you can see that shift. But, like, the people in charge are still evil and they're much evil than they used to be. So, like, these guys are allowed to do stuff that, like, even if the culture kind of returns to where it used to be before, you know, like half a decade ago, you still get the Nazis who are able to post and not get taken down.

[A]

I wish we could just. I wish there could be like a Twitter island or something where like, all those guys could just go live the way that they wanted to.

[B]

Yeah, it used to be true social, like, but I guess they don't get enough attention though.

[A]

Yeah, it's not good enough. They need people to fight. And then, and then you have idiots who are like, I'm staying on X. Like, this is the front line of the battleground of the information war. And I. And in fact, I'm gonna pay $8 a month. I'm actually gonna pay the Nazi, you know, the Nazis. So that my post can, can reach more views. Because it's the only way. It's the only way to fight.

[B]

Yeah, they should, they should Just be put in a place like X is already. All the numbers are basically fake. Like you get way more likes than you used to. Like, they should just be put in one that's extra fake and they just have bot replies and they're like, I'm famous. Everyone in America knows me. Was the QAnon theory. But like, Joe Biden thinks that he's the President, but he's actually in like a studio and they're like actors around him.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, but it's way easier. I think it's like probably more difficult to convince Biden that he's president than to convince like your average sort of like pilled social media user that like all the engagement they're getting, like, isn't real. Yeah, like, that's an easy sell.

[B]

Yeah, they probably already believe it's real.

[A]

Can you imagine if like, I don't know, Jaden Scott or Jake Lang posted something like this and it got like 350,000 likes and like everybody in the comments was like, heil Hitler. Like, you are so hot. Like, please, please have sex with me now. Like, just trap these people in just like, in like. Yeah, a world where they think they're like the most famous person in the.

[B]

World, it would work. They gotta do that. Woke two coming from back.

[A]

Whoa. I think we've stumbled onto something truly fantastic which perfectly transitions to our main segment, Skokie Case. Another thing about growing up as a Jewish kid is that Nazis are the boogeyman. I read the graphic novel Maus when I was probably too young and would fall asleep trying to imagine what it would be like trying to hide from the Nazis. I don't know if either of you have read that particular comic. Yeah, Travis, have you?

[C]

No, no, I've missed that one.

[A]

It's very good. I might reorder it. I haven't read it in a long time, but there's. It's really graphic and basically it depicts like, like a Holocaust sort of survival story from the point of view of, of somebody who, who lived through the concentration camps. But all of the, like, characters in it are, are depicted as animals. So the Jews are the mice, the Nazis are the cats, and then like the various other. Other people are different animals. But it's incredibly violent. Like, and it's totally graphic. Like, you see nudity, there's violence, there's like lots of murdering. It's like really disturbing. And I definitely read it probably like a little too young.

[B]

My reaction to that was definitely more like, damn, it's fucked up. Related to you guys as Opposed to like, oh, it's envisioning myself as the.

[A]

Yeah, you would hear about. There's a part in. I can't remember if it was in Mao's or it was a different or maybe in some other. I don't even know if it's like a documentary thing or is it like part of some fictional movie. But there was like a scene where, like people were hiding in, like piles of shoes. Like, they hid in piles of dead people's shoes, like, basically on their way to escape. It was like one stop. They knew they could hide in there for a certain amount of time. And I always used to envision that, like, under my covers. Like, I'd be under my covers as a little kid and be like, what if it was a pile of shoes? I guess that's like, that's my own anxiety that was just manifesting, like through the content that I read and the things that me and, you know, we were generally afraid of because otherwise the 90s was fairly good. You know, in the suburbs of Chicago, for like a white, you know, upper middle class boy, you know, like, things were pretty good. So I guess, you know, dreaming about, like the horrors that my ancestors went through, I guess was like, I don't know, a way that my anxiety presented itself.

[B]

That makes sense. It's hard not to have your anxiety fixate on, especially like cultural memories like that. Especially if you're like, yeah, that's a good point. It's like, oh, but imagine if it wasn't fine, like what happened to people I've interacted with in real life life at some point.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm not sure about my dad's side, but my mom's parents both had cousins who were killed during the Holocaust. Most Jews that I knew at the very least had distant relatives who had also perished or had been in the camps or their families had fled. It was pretty common. It was a pretty common sort of backstory. And in fact, Skokie, Illinois, claimed to have one of the highest populations of Holocaust survivors in the country. An estimate found in an old court filing from the case said that out of Skokie's 70,000 residents that they suspected 40,500 were Jewish. And in 2018, former Mayor George Van Dusen said to ABC News that Skokie had, quote, the largest number of Holocaust survivors outside of Israel. I do not know if this is true. Regardless, it was for this reason that a 32 year old Neo Nazi named Frank Collin sent the Park District of Skokie a letter asking for a Permit to hold a Nazi parade.

[B]

It's so funny to do it above board. Like, please can I be a Nazi in your Jewish city? Like, yeah, they're all fucking dorks. They're dorks, then they're dorks, now they're stupid.

[A]

Wait till you see a picture of this guy. He looks. He and Jake Lang have a lot in common. So it turns out that Frank, Colin was originally Frank Cohen.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And his father Max had spent three months in Dachau, the concentration camp.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

He had escaped to America, worked hard to build up a small home furnishing dealership and moved his family to the suburbs of Olympia farm fields. Can you imagine? Like as a Jewish parent, you know, it's one thing if your kid doesn't become a doctor or a lawyer, God forbid, but a Hitler worshipping Nazi?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oi. I mean can you imagine the shame.

[B]

Negative effects of Jewish proximity to whiteness that your kid is just like, no, I'm white. I'm like white in the white white way.

[A]

Extra white white in the right way. While being interviewed for the PBS documentary Invaded but not Conquered, former Chicago leader of the Jewish def Buzz Alpert said he knew Frank's father.

[B]

You know, Frank Collin had a Jewish father, Max Con, who I knew and poor Max Con. Very, very sad. I talked to him a few times and he would put his head down like this. When he would talk about his Nazi kid.

[C]

It's like, yeah, talk about his Nazi kid. Yeah, that's funny.

[A]

Ultimate, ultimate shame. I mean I, I thought that clip was so, so funny. By the way, there's footage in the PBS doc of that guy from the clip Buzz throwing down against Nazis in the street. And I gotta say, the man was a beast. Respect. That's all I have to say about that. So turns out Frank had become pilled at a young age after seeing images of Hitler during an anti Nazi television program. Here's a passage from When Nazis Came to Skokie by Philippa Strum, from which I got a lot of my research.

[C]

He claimed that he became a Nazi when he saw an anti Nazi television program called the Twisted Crime cross sponsored by the Jewish Anti Defamation League of B'.

[A]

Rith.

[C]

What impressed him most were the close ups of Hitler's face and the shots of the audience whom column described as deeply moved, as if they had just had an awakening to something very important. I saw a great man, deeply committed to something very powerful. Colin would say later adding, I've loved Hitler ever since. I mean this is, I suppose this is why. Why fascists pour so much energy and thought to aesthetics. Because it works on some people. Yes, because, like, yeah, they see. They see the, you know, careful propaganda of showing Hitler looking commanding in front of an audience, and then say, I have been convinced.

[A]

And it's true. Collins styled his hair like Hitler's, dressed like a Nazi and spoke like a Nazi. The final solution of the Jewish question is exposing them as the leaders of international communism and race mixing.

[C]

So, I mean, this is. This is, I think. I think part of why this movement failed. You can't really take fascism really. You're stuck in the 1930s, my guy. You need to update your hairstyle a little bit.

[A]

Colin ended up joining the American Nazi party in 1963, but left shortly after its leader, Lincoln Rockwell, was assassinated in 1967. In 1968, he formed the National Socialist Party of America, the NSPA, and set up a headquarters he called Rockwell hall on West 71st street on the south side of Chicago. So he chose the area of Market park on the south side because the predominantly white neighborhood was racist and did not want minorities moved. Moving in like Jake Lang. Colin and his neo Nazis claimed that Jewish landlords were doing this on purpose. To what end? I'm still not sure.

[B]

Just mischief causing chaos.

[A]

I don't know. Like, yeah, what they think is like, they're like, the Jewish people are. Are moving black people into predominantly white.

[B]

Areas because it's like the QAnon neurosis. It's like the bad guys are just evil. They don't actually have, like, explainable material interests, like human beings. It's like, oh, you know, they're the devil or some equivalent.

[A]

Yeah, because they can't come up with anything other than that they think, like, they think black people are insert. Insert whatever, you know, piece of racism you want because they believe that they're like, whoa. Well, if they move in.

[B]

Yeah, that's like the one, two combo in America at least of like, anti black racism and anti Semitism. Like, you saw this with like, Black Lives Matter conspiracy theories where it's like, oh, George Soros, the Jewish billionaire, is like, tricking black people into doing violence for his bidding. You know, it's like the Jewish people are the puppet masters of the conspiracy to destroy.

[A]

Oh, that's interesting. Thanks for clarifying that because I'm always like, what do they think it is? And I think you're right. It's just that they're puppet mastering something. They're orchestrating something that we don't like. Also, like Lang, the NSPA claimed that they Weren't advocating for the murder of anyone, just imprisonment and deportation of anyone black, Jewish, or gay. According to the book, the party claimed.

[B]

To be against pollution, narcotics peddlers, degenerate arts, the federal income tax, the federal reserve system, unemployment, gangsterism, and. And crime. It supported public execution of all convicted rioters and looters and convicted narcotics peddlers, preservation of the free enterprise system and the rights of private property, reunification of the family as the hub of society, and an authoritarian form of republic government founded on the ideals originally expressed in the United States Constitution.

[A]

So fucking nothing new.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like this is. Exactly. And by the way, Trump is giving them a public execution of just people they think are narcotics peddlers. We've done away with conv. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to look at that. It's like, God, in 1977, like you were reading, this would be like public execution. Like, they're working on the rioters and looters now. And actually, no, they've got that as well. Public execution. We've lost, convicted, and we've lost a rider or looter. It was just a woman in her car and a man trying to help a woman up off of the street. So actually, if Frank Collin is still alive, which I think he is, I think he is still alive, alive, he's probably pretty pleased with the way things are going.

[B]

I'm sure he's ecstatic right now.

[A]

Yeah. After one particular demonstration turned violent in the summer of 1976, the Park District of Chicago realized they could successfully keep Frank and his goons from demonstrating in the parks by implementing a statute requiring them to have liability insurance in the 150 to $300,000 range. So basically, Collins was pissed off because he didn't have anywhere near the scratch to essentially just wear a Nazi uniform in public. And this is a picture of him.

[B]

Oh, they do look quite similar. Jake Lang and him.

[A]

Doesn't he look a lot like Jake Lang?

[B]

There's a hard R in this photo of, like, a poster. And then you got, like, the white power.

[A]

So much of the stuff about these guys I'm not. I just didn't include. Because it's like, at what point. At what point am I just, like, reading Nazi stuff, which I don't like doing?

[B]

Yeah, there is a point like, fill in the blanks of what these guys. Guys are saying. Whit slurs.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[C]

Actual out and proud hardcore Nazis and everything that encompasses. So they're like. They would say all those things.

[A]

I think there's Like, I think there's a. I think there's a quote later that has, like, a pretty bad Jewish slur, but I'll read that one and that's okay, you know, nothing I haven't heard before. So anyway, so. So. So the parks kind of basically sort of figured out a little bit of a loophole to like, keep these guys out of the. Of Marquette park, which is good because there were starting to be people showing up who, you know, naturally, like, wanted to knock these guys out, you know, naturally. That's, you know, part of the. That's kind of like part of the thing. It's like if you're, like a big famous actor, you know, going out and, like, seeing paparazzi people asking for photographs, kind of part of the job. If you're a Nazi, like, people are gonna want to, like, knock you out. It's just kind of part of. Of a, you know, risk you have to take on. And so Collins had another idea. He was going to send super aggressive Nazi flyers to a bunch of Chicago suburbs where he knew lots of Jewish people lived. The top of the flyers read, we are coming in all capital letters. And in case it wasn't clear, the pamphlet contained a giant swastika at the top.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like a part of this is just like someone who, like, needs to. In order to feel real, they have to affect other people negatively. It's like, oh, I'm so scary. That means, like, I'm important in some way. It's like the equivalent of, like, when, like, teenage boys will just, like, push, you know, boulders down cliffs or something, just do reckless stuff. And it's like, I'm having an effect in the world. They just, like, haven't gotten over that.

[A]

Yeah, these are, you know, these are, like, very scary to see. Especially 77. It's like you basically think, like, most of these people have kind of been, like, you know, shamed into darkness at the very least.

[B]

Yeah. It had not been that long since the Holocaust.

[A]

Rabbi Neil Brief, a local religious leader, and Howard Reich, who was growing up in Skokie at the time, remember the first they discovered one of the NSPA's leaflets.

[C]

I remember a Friday night service, I think it was October of 1976, where someone came back from the parking lot with a leaflet saying that the Nazis are coming. All I know is that after that incident, the matter seemed to catch fire amongst people who were Holocaust survivors.

[A]

My dad was going nuts about this.

[D]

When it would become on tv and.

[A]

It was a media phenomenon at the time. My dad would turn pale, ash and.

[D]

Pale, and the relatives would be calling.

[A]

Each other on the phone, calling each.

[D]

Other on the phone.

[A]

The Nazis are coming back. They're coming again.

[C]

Yeah. This is not an abstract issue for these people. Right. Like there was like, oh, oh, like we did. We. It happened once, right. And we know what it looks like when it starts happening again.

[A]

Yeah. Naturally, this prompted a lot of worry from residents and they began to call the ADL to come complain. And this caused Frank Collins to be interviewed in the Chicago Sun Times, where he was more than happy to explain to the largest audience he'd ever had that the pamphlets were intended to scare people. He was quoted as saying, I hope they're terrified. I hope they're shocked, because we're coming to get them again. I don't care if someone's mother or father or brother died in the gas chambers. The unfortunate thing is not that there were 6 million Jews who died. The unfortunate thing is that there were so many Jewish survivors.

[B]

Jesus Christ. You allowed, I guess, American free speech laws.

[A]

Well, that's like what this is all about. So that's like what this whole case is about is free speech. And, like, what constitutes. What constitutes this? Which is why I thought it was kind of interesting, so much shit like when in motion when this happened that it's like, it makes you think today that's like somebody like Jake Laning is just like, showing up outside, like, throwing coins. Like, you know, I don't know if they're wearing swastikas, because the wearing and the visual of the swastika is actually became a crucial sort of like, center point of this legal case. Collins somehow even got himself on Donahue, the Phil Donahue talk show, where he said a whole bunch of Nazi shit that I figured at this point would just be gratuitous. So I chose not to clip it. I did, however, find a clip of Abbott Rosen, the Midwest director of the adl, telling Donahue that he was fucked up for that. A man who heads a so called National Socialist Party of America, which has as his ultimate purpose the incinerating of blacks and Jews. Now, I would argue that persons such as that should not be scheduled.

[C]

What is your point? I have a right to put him on, but I shouldn't?

[A]

Yes. I thought it was poor judgment, which is fair.

[C]

You know, this is like, really? Yeah, this. This is where you'd get your real trashy content. Daytime television at the time.

[A]

Donahue looks genuinely destroyed. What was I supposed to do? Not let him, like, talk about Nazi shit for you know, oddly enough, out of all the towns that Collins had peppered with pamphlets, Skokie was the only one to respond. And this wasn't the first time that Nazis had marched in Skokie. The village was home to many German immigrants and a handful of Nazi supporters up until the end of the Second World War. Apparently. There was a group of guys who called themselves the Chicago German American Volksbund, and they would march down one of Skokie's main streets in the late 30s, like 1937 or so, and they always ended up at this local Nazi bar that had a huge portrait of Adolf Hitler on the wa. But as they began to see what horrible things Hitler was doing overseas on the news, he, like, slowly took down the portrait. They stopped wearing the uniforms and basically just disappeared.

[B]

This median Trump voter right now, his reaction compared to voting for him two years ago.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, kind of. Yeah, yeah, very true. Yeah. They basically were seeing on the news and they were like, oh, man. Like, it doesn't feel so dope to wear these, like, Nazi uniforms, like, out in public. The park district of Skokie responded to Colin that the NSPA would have to post a bond of $350,000 liability insurance if he wanted to obtain a permit to demonstrate in any of the parks. Colin came up with another plan. He would show up in Skokie on May 1, 1977, to protest the city denying his First Amendment right by making the permit insurance so expensive. He promised public officials and local law enforcement that he would show up at 3pm with 30 to 50 people at the most, protest only on the sidewalks, not block any traffic, follow all city ordinances and leave after 30 minutes.

[B]

The Nazi who loves following the rules.

[A]

Yeah. So he was like, look, it's my right to protest you not allowing me to demonstrate here. But look, guys, it's gonna be 20 to 30 minutes tops. I'm only gonna have 30 to 50 Nazis here. Which, by the way, according to the author, was very much an exaggeration that usually he was unable to draw more than 10 to 15 people. It was very small. He was very small flock. Nowadays, Neo Nazis out and proud on our streets are somewhat old hat, but in 77, this was a big deal. So I did not know this, but the. The bad guy in the movie Blues Brothers is actually based on Frank. White men, white women, Swastika is calling you. The Jew is using the black as muscle against you. So that's crazy. There's even a scene from Blues Brothers where Belushi goes, illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Nazis. So these guys were like very, very famous. Director John Landis even admitted to lifting a speech used in the movie directly from the answering machine recording at the NSPA headquarters. He gives the speech, speech. White men, white women. That speech I actually took word for word. It was the answer, the machine, the answering message that when you called the American Nazi party, that was the message you got. And at the end it said, please leave a message when you hear the beep. What I did, what is kind of amusing or not is I did leave a message. I said, hi, my name is John Landis and I'm doing the movie. And they never called me back.

[C]

It's aggressive answering machine message.

[A]

Yeah, really is.

[C]

All right. We are working towards purifying this nation for white people. Please leave a message.

[A]

I really admit I did not know how famous this case was. There were numerous dramatized adaptations, including a CBS made for TV movie from 1980 starring none other than Danny.

[D]

If you want no violence, keep the Nazis out. Because if they march here, if they bring the swastika here, I swear to you, nothing, there is nothing will keep me from fighting.

[A]

And this was, you know, generally the sentiment in Skokie at the time. You know, the mayor is brought in, a council's convened with local rabbis. Everyone's trying to out figure, figure out how they're going to handle this. And initially the idea was to try and quarantine the Nazis and have the rabbis tell people in their synagogue to just avoid the area, that giving these guys any kind of attention is exactly what they wanted. But people were furious.

[B]

The rabbis, they said, be quiet, don't do anything. Just sit back and watch and let them go through and it will go over. So we said, no, this is how it started in Germany, with a few people only. We're not going to let nobody. Here we are, since we're in the United States and we're not afraid nobody's going to come to our door and tell me that he's going to kill me.

[A]

They sent the rabbis back to the council and on April 21st a larger group convened, this time containing additional Chicago based Jewish organizations, 18 of which appeared at this meeting. And the decision was made to stage a counter demonstration. A couple of blocks from Frank and his guys, new leaflets began appearing around Skokie with hand drawn swastikas like before, but also now a crudely drawn caricature of a Jew decorated the flyers as well. The flyers also promised that a large poster was in the works. They went on to describe what to expect on the poster. And I just think this is so funny that like they made pamphlets, essentially they had pamphlets printed that said a poster is coming.

[C]

A trailer for the poster.

[A]

Yeah, this is like a trailer for the poster. And then they went on to describe what the poster was going to be. And I'll read that description. It says, quote, the poster shows three rabbis involved in the ritual murder of an innocent gentile boy during the hate fest of Purim. Our propaganda will deal at large with revealing quotes, many never before presented anywhere from loose lipped.

[B]

He.

[A]

In short, our successful opposition to the black invasion of southwest Chicago will now be turned on the culprits who started it at all. The Jews.

[C]

Yeah, like announcement. We're going to do some propaganda when we get around to it that does some old fashioned medieval blood libel.

[B]

You guys are going to be so bad about it. You're going to be so.

[C]

You'll be pissed off. All is being infuriating.

[A]

So much of this case, like really, really kind of boils down to, to Frank Collin being like, yo, look guys, we're broke. Like, like us Nazis, like we don't have a ton of money. Like it is unfair. Like we should be allowed. Like we should be allowed even though we are a poor movement to protest like everybody else.

[B]

That is like an American Nazi staple because like remember the Kanye Hail Hitler song? It was all about like my wife left me, I'm cucked, I have no money anymore and I love Hitler. They can't help themselves.

[A]

Oh my God. Of course I should say the only reason that I. I know loose lipped heaps is tough, but the only reason I read this stuff is so we can all laugh and agree how stupid it is and how dumb these people are and what a waste of time they've made of their.

[B]

Yeah, it's interesting how similar of a problem it is to the contemporary one, to the contemporary issue because I remember it was maybe Cenk Lang when he was doing his Qanon Nazi stuff, there was a lady beside him who was like, don't give him attention. And there was someone recording. So it's like the same discussion is happening where it's this loser who doesn't actually have that much sway outside of being controversial, creating a large reaction. And the question is whether do you push against it to make sure that that's where Nazi is allowed. Ordinary. You ignore it. It's difficult.

[A]

Yeah, it's difficult. That's why. That's what this is like all about. And funny enough, you know, when I read this, I remembered what Lang is shouting during that demonstration where he's basically like, the. Israel is. He was the brownification or something. He was like, Israel is responsible for the brownification of the United States. So instead of it being like, on a local level, where it's like the local Jewish landlords are bringing black people into the neighborhoods to cause chaos, it's like on this sort of international scale now. But it's the same. It's still the same accusation, which I found interesting. That's like, this is all the same. Except back then there was like all of this legal motions being put in place. Like, people sat down, like, really, how do we handle this? Like, whereas nowadays it's just. Now it's just a viral video.

[B]

Yeah, it's so much less organized. And so of course it's just inevitably going to get attention. Like, obviously it's going to default to the giving someone attention thing because you see it on X. Like, the point is to engage with stuff you don't like on that website. So this is something you really don't like. People are going to engage with it.

[A]

Yeah, that's very true. So towards the end of April, another meeting was held where Holocaust survivors living in Skokie told Mayor Albert J. Smith horrific stories of the violence they had witnessed by people in Nazi uniforms and that they should be protected from having to see them. And so on April 27, 1977, City Attorney Harvey Schwartz filed the first paperwork in Skokie versus the National Socialist Party of America. As soon as he found out that legal action was being taken against him and his group, preventing them from demonstrating, Frank Collin reached out to the director of the ACLU demanding that they take up the case in an effort to preserve freedom of speech. And they did. David Goldberger, a Jew himself, took up defending Frank Collin, the Nazi. One of the other ACLU lawyers at the time, Barbara o', Toole, said of Colin, he.

[B]

Colin needed help. We needed to keep the law clean. It would not have served our interest to let him flounder without counsel and get injunctions against speech. That would have been affirmed and then against us. It was very much in our interest to keep the law in order.

[C]

I mean, that's the interesting reason that, yeah, they didn't want to. A precedent that might have harmed future legal cases. In this particular case.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the position of the aclu, despite it not being ideal that they were representing a Nazi, was that the government shouldn't get to decide what type of free speech its citizens are allowed to hear. And Harvey Schwartz, representing the village of Skokie was making the case that the government's lack of censorship constituted an endorsement and that the village of Skokie had the right to be protected from seeing a symbol that caused them much harm. And so, on April 28, 1977, Judge Joseph Wasek would be presented with the first hearing for Skokie versus the nspa. In his opening statement, Harvey said this.

[C]

We will bring to this court by way of the testimony of witnesses the present mood that prevails in the village of Skokie. One that has been inflamed and incited only and simply by reason of the prospective march by the defendants, which, if it is not enjoined by this court, could lead to great violence and to irreparable harm.

[A]

So Harvey then called six witnesses from the community to testify as to the mood in Skokie. Upon hearing about the planned march. Fred Richter of the synagogue council testified that if Jews in Skokie saw Nazis march, they might not be able to stop themselves from hurting them. He said, quote, the speakers that spoke. I'll start with the survivors spoke in strong, definitive terms that they cannot under any circumstances take. The fact that a Nazi will walk on the streets of Skokie, that this is an outrage and an obscenity to them, that the very thought of seeing their uniforms in Skokie has gotten them beyond their rationality. And these are people who are in positions within business leadership, very, very responsible people who have lived here for many, many years and act within civic and within the other areas of life in the United States today. Another witness, Saul Goldstein, also echoed this sentiment when it was his turn to take the stand. Quote, he did not intend to react violently to the sight of swastikas if the Nazi demonstration took place. But he was not certain he would be able to control himself and could not promise to refrain from attacking Colin. Surprisingly enough, the city of Skokie called Colin himself to the stand, where he proudly admitted that, yes, it was him and his small group that had been spreading the conspiracy. That the Jews were responsible for the black invasion of southwest West Chicago. End quote. And that he and his group would continue to try and tell this to whoever would listen. He also stated that his intended rally would have no anti Semitic signs, only white supremacist signs. And that no further reading material would be handed out during the demonstration.

[B]

Like nothing about nothing about Jews being bad, only white people being good, only.

[A]

About us being the only people who should be allowed to be in the country. What happens to them, we don't know. So the Final witness for the city of Skokie was a man by the name of Ronald Lansky. He testified about counter demonstration flyers from left wing groups reading, quote, smash the Nazis. He told the court that he was absolutely certain that if Nazis did show up to the City hall building that day, they would be smashed later on. Former Illinois senator Howard Carroll claimed that once it was known what routes the Nazis were going to march, there were vacant apartments rented for the day along the path and not to just live in. As they were announcing the routes, they were groups, probably the Jewish Defense League, who were renting apartments for the day on the route. And it was not to watch the parade. It was to take action. And I got some very good information that they had the rifles and they were ready to take them out.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Isn't that crazy?

[C]

Yeah, that's intense.

[A]

When it came time for ACLU attorney Goldberg to present Frank Collins side of the case, it was clear that Judge Wasek didn't give half of shit.

[C]

He let the ACLU lawyers know in no uncertain terms that he, Joe Wasek, had served in the United States army, that he had served in European theater. He had seen what the Nazis did and the crimes against humanity against Jews and Poles. He had relatives, family in Poland, Warsaw, other places where the Nazis were out.

[A]

Can you imagine the judge being like, I'll have you know, I spent a good part of my life killing Nazis. The author of the book about the case said that the judges was constantly, like, interrupting Goldberger, the ACLU attorney, and getting up to take long phone calls in his office. In the middle of the proceedings.

[B]

He.

[A]

Was just like, I don't give a shit what this guy has to say. The aclu, of course, filed a motion to dismiss the case and stated that the demonstration would only be 20 to 30 minutes, no speeches would be made, and an injunction would violate Collins First Amendment right. Goldberger reminded the court that the only reason an injunction was brought in Brandenburg vs Ohio, a case involving a KKK leader, was because unlawful activity had been planned. Skokie wasn't even alleging unlawful activity, Goldberger said, but Judge Waszek wasn't having any of it. He denied the motion to dismiss, saying this.

[C]

I do not have to expound theories of Nazism. This court has the most unusual situation here. I have here a village with a great number of Jewish people. I have here before me a group of citizens of this country who endured, suffered, and God knows what happened to their respective families. I can take into judicial notice the Nuremberg trials and what a court of.

[A]

Law found he further went on to grant the city of Skokie an injunction and prohibited the NSPA from engaging in.

[C]

Any of the following acts. On May 1st, 1977, within the village of Skokie, marching, walking or parading in the uniform of the National Socialist Party of America. Marching, walking or parading or otherwise displaying the swastika on or off their person, distributing pamphlets or displaying any materials which incite to promote hatred against persons of Jewish faith or ancestry, or hatred against persons of any faith or ancestry, race or religion.

[A]

Now Colin, of course, quickly tried to outsmart the judge. He called up the local newspapers and said that he and the NSPA planned a demonstration for April 30. The next day the judge's order had said May 1, but nothing about the Nazis gathering on a different day. People were pissed. Scared Holocaust survivors and other villagers gathered preemptively at the city hall, amassing a crowd of hundreds. They carried signs, except their signs had been nailed with like loose like open nails on the back of the two by fours. So like they also potentially could have served as weapons. The signs had stuff like no free speech for fascists. Never again Dachau, never again Treblinka. You know, names of concentration camps. The city called a meeting. Could they get the judge to edit the injunction? An emergency hearing was called, but Collins ACLU lawyer was too busy to attend. Despite his absence, a Judge Sullivan altered the injunction so that date and time were irrelevant and the Nazis once again had been defeated. Furthermore, the city of Skokie added three new statutes to their city ordinances on May 2, a day after the original Nazi march had been planned.

[B]

The statutes were drafted by Gilbert Gordon, Assistant Corporate Council of skokie and Schwartz's second in command. Ordinance 994, an ordinance related to parades and public assemblies, was written as a traffic and safety law designed to protect Skokie's residents from disruption of essential services such as fire protection program participation and the orderly pursuit of their activities. And to safeguard their health, safety and welfare. It regulated public assemblies that reasonably could be expected to involve or 50 people. Demonstrators now had to obtain a permit from the village at least 30 days in advance, posting public liability insurance of $300,000 and property damage insurance of $50,000. So just no parades anymore? Basically, yeah, no parades because you guys couldn't behave. No parades.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Like we're not gonna do any parades actually at all.

[B]

I mean that does demonstrate the severity of the reaction from the community of like, we can't be having this as a threat now.

[A]

Because of this, the ACLU took a massive hit. People believed, even people who worked for the organization believed that they should have left the Nazis unrepresented. However, Frank Collin had appeals to file specifically with the Illinois Supreme Court, and it was his ACLU lawyer, David Goldberger, who was filing all of the paperwork. Senior members of the Illinois ACLU resigned in protest. Quote, the ACLU lost about 30,000 members, 15% of those who had belonged. The income that disappeared with them amounted to some $500,000 a year. While National Executive Director Aria Nayer had warned in late 1974 that the organization was in financial trouble, he was unable to rectify the situation. As the Skokie cases worked their way through the courts and case expenses mounted, the national board ordered the staff to cut $200,000 in expenditures and stop publication of the Civil Liberties review. The Illinois ACLU estimated that it had lost 30% of its anticipated income for 1977 and it laid of its 13 employees. So interesting.

[C]

I mean, it is interesting, but it's like you say that, you know, the, the, the Nazis, like lost. They must have drummed up a lot of publicity and they're able to try and like play. The victim was like, oh, our free speech rights have been trampled. And then at least in the short term here, because the ac, he'll defended them. They kneecapped this organization, which my. I have to imagine otherwise they don't like very much. Yeah, so it seems, seems like they got, is like through this battle, through the, the process, they got a few wins on their side.

[A]

Yeah, well, and they got a big win, as you'll see. Because In June of 1977, a 7th District Appeals Court justice gave a preliminary order on Frank Collins appeal. And he said that because the insurance bond was so high, only private insurance companies would be able to offer that kind of coverage, effectively stifling the speech of lower income groups. And this is what skyrocketed the case to the United States Supreme Court. Was it unconstitutional to make it too expensive for Nazis or any group to demonstrate? The Supreme Court basically didn't pass judgment on that matter, but instead insisted that the Illinois Supreme Court needed to fast track Collins appeal if they planned to preemptively ban his speech. So the Illinois Supreme Court remanded the case back to the appellate courts who ruled that the Nazis could march. They just couldn't wear swastikas. But later on, in its full review of the case, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled that the swastika was in fact protected under. Under the banner of Free speech. The United States Supreme Court basically declined to do any further review. And here is a passage from the book about the Illinois Supreme Court decision. And it reads, the Illinois Supreme Court handed down its decision in Skokie vs. The NSPA on January 27, 1978, lifting what remained of the injunction prohibiting the party from demonstrating in Skokie. Once again, the opinion was per curiam and it represented the views of six of the seven judges who heard the case. The seventh, Justice, William G. Clark, dissented with without an opinion. The opinion for the court stated that decisions of the United States Supreme Court and particularly its holding in Cohen vs. California left the Illinois court with no choice. Quote, in our opinion, they compel us to permit the demonstration as proposed, including display of the swastika. Implicitly rejecting the appellate court's separation of symbolic speech from verbal speech, the court wrote that as quote, it is entirely clear that the wearing of distinctive clothing can be symbolic expression of a thought or philosophy. The quote, symbolic expression of thought falls within the free speech clause of the First Amendment. The village of Skokie makes one final appeal to the U.S. supreme Court, but they are denied even though you know, they eventually won. Essentially Frank Collin and his Nazis did not end up marching in Skokie but instead later in downtown Chicago where it was easier to obtain permits.

[B]

I see it is just trolling. They were trolling. Basically the whole point of this is like how do you get a black of attention through pissing people off? It's a good example of like the ideology of the Pepes too because like those people also believe in fascist ideology but they, they do it specifically because they know they're going to get a rise from people.

[A]

Yeah, I guess a big difference here is some kind of faith in like the Institute like that the institution would, would sort of like I can't imagine that Jake Lang is like I'm going to reach out to the acl. You know I can't imagine that, that he's going to do that because there's just no. I feel like people that pilled have zero trust in any kind institution that essentially the only thing that they trust is like boots on ground posts from the Trump social media. I don't know.

[C]

Like also I feel like Colin was able to like consider a long term publicity strategy in the way that Jake Lang does not. You know, I feel like he was, he was a little bit more strategic in like how he handles things like yeah, like reaching out to the ACLU to demand that they defend his free speech and have like a Jewish lawyer Helm this. I mean, I have to confess. Clever Jewish judo moved by the Nazi. Yeah, but. But this is not something that I think Jake Lang is capable of.

[B]

No, I mean, Colin also didn't have the Internet as an outlet. Like, who knows what he would have done if he could have been posting. Yeah, like, this seems like the obvious way of getting the most attention in his period, his historical context.

[A]

He's probably sitting on oxygen right now going, I wish I could have posted.

[B]

Born in the wrong generation guy. He's definitely a born in the wrong generation guy. Either like 2 or 3 early or too late. Because he's like, no, if I was a zoomer now, I can't imagine what we're doing.

[A]

Oh, I would have been, oh, so effective. But he, you know, Colin's life is sort of. After this, things didn't go so well for him. There was tension in the NSPA between him and other, like, top members because they found out that he was half Jewish, so that they didn't like that. And also former members found pictures in Frank Collins desk showing that he was abusing young boys and doing it, like, in, like, NSPA headquarters and stuff.

[B]

I'm starting to think this guy is not a good dude.

[A]

They turned over the pictures to the police and Collins was convicted in 1979 for child molestation. He was sentenced to seven years, but served three.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. That child.

[A]

After his release from prison, Frank Collin resurfaced under the name Frank Joseph, recasting himself as a New Age writer and worshiping pagan. While incarcerated at Illinois's Pontiac Correctional center, he had overlapped with prison guard Russell Burroughs, who later claimed to have discovered Burroughs Cave, a supposed cache of ancient artifacts and treasure in southern Illinois. Joseph became one of the site's most vocal supporters, publishing books and articles arguing it proved ancient Old World civilizations existed in North America. Beginning with his book the Destruction of Atlantis in 1987, he built a whole second career writing for Fate magazine and the Ancient American, a publication that made extremely problematic claims about America's indigenous people originating from other parts of the world. Like, basically saying that they were like a mix of, like, Norse and mythology and stuff, just, you know, total nonsense. So he ended up kind of like becoming an Atlantis guy.

[C]

Don't like the Mormons believe something crazy about the native people of the American continent too?

[A]

Yeah, something like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They're like, oh, we're actually a super. A super American that has every piece of culture embedded in our whiteness. So the end of the story is he was a pedophile and he went to jail for it.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it does make sense to a certain extent that as the Republican Party gets more Nazi, they also get more pedophile.

[C]

Yeah, I feel like, yeah, they're looking for people who are like, who really trying to transgress all boundaries, who just ha any limits on their behavior at all. And, you know, there's a point where that stops being, you know, sort of like finger to the man, sort of rebelliousness and starts being like, justifying child abuse.

[B]

Imagine a lot of that is the connection to. Is just sadism, just like hurting people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a tricky situation with freedom of speech because there are. There are plenty of benefits to the American free speech system. One of which is that I actually left out fun fact, which science and transition. There's some stuff I left out about a certain doctor because I did not want to be sued. And so the Canadian system is a lot less protecting of free speech than the American one. You can see the benefits of that. But then we can also clearly here see some of the downsides of the American system.

[A]

Right. This was a time when people heard about Nazis showing up and they went, what can be done legally? Because we gotta protect these Nazis from these fists. If we show up, I see the swastika, I might become enraged. There were all these court proceedings, so many people in motion to try to figure out what's to be done about that. And like, the Overton window has just shifted so much that it's kind of just assumed that when you have these extreme right wing sort of demonstrations, that there will be out and proud, you know, fascists there dressing like them, sometimes coming armed, you know, I mean, especially.

[B]

After Charlottesville, that was really the moment. Moment, I think. I mean, I'm sure even 2000 and tens slightly before that. It's a bit more controversial Nazism than in this context. But that really did seem like the Band Aid, especially the fallout. It's like, nope, yeah. This is a growing, increasingly large problem and cultural backlash isn't doing as much to stop it as it used to when there was with Colin, where it's literally just 10 idiots who are threatening to march somewhere. It's a lot more than that.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder what Collins would have thought of American Reich, this clothing style brand. I wonder if he would have been a customer. But, you know, I can only hope that our current Nazis will also be themselves found to be pedophiles and arrested. I mean, you know, I can only hope that they continue to. I don't know.

[B]

I think it's a good note.

[A]

That's right, Nazis, you. Thank you for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.comqaa and subscribe for $5 a month to get a whole second premium episode for every main one. We've also got a website, qaapodcast.com liv where can people find more of your work?

[B]

I stream on Twitch, Twitch TV, Laveagar as well as every newsletter. The vegar.com folks.

[A]

Go check it out. Listener. I'm going to take a break from doing some Nazi coverage for a while. I've done. I've done a couple now and I'm going to get back on my bullshit. I'm going to do some fun stuff hopefully.

[B]

Thank you for your service, Jake.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. That's it. I could dip my toe in only for a little bit. And now I'm back out again. I will not be playing Hearts of Iron anymore and I will be exclusively playing for the Soviets in Arma Reforger. And until next week, may the deep dish bless you and keep you. We have auto queued content content based on your preferences.

[D]

Patriots, it's Mr. Scott 1776. The past coming days have been attacked. I've resigned from my position. Forbes has reported on it. At Harmony Investment Group as the search fund manager. I've lost my home for my landlord. I've lost my attorney, Marcus Garski from Garski and Hewitt who has dropped me due to the political motivation. My bank accounts at Chase and JP Morgan bake just for frozen. I'm here in my bunker here in Minnesota. Me and my team are gearing up. We've been doing some live studying. We've been doing some live drills. We will be boots on ground tomorrow. We will be holding a press conference with the infamous Zach X Patriots. I know you guys are sick of being pushed around. You commie folks. You guys keep saying you're gonna blow my hat off. You're gonna kill me. I'm gonna tell you one thing and I want you guys to hear me clear. The more you kill men like me, just like you did Charlie Kirk, the more of us rise up. You guys are pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing and there's gonna be problems. My generation is going boots on ground with air support from gentlemen like Nick Fuentas. People like Tucker Carlson. American is sick of being pushed around. The Americans are sick of looking weak, of look, being feeling defenseless and being attacked. I resigned from my position at Harmony Investment Group to fight new commie sons of bitches full time. And I will not surrender and I will not back down. I pray the full armor of God on me every time I walk into this battlefield. I pray you guys do, too. There is no surrender. There's no backing down. We're going through scheme ahead. I'll see you guys tomorrow at the Whipple Federal Building at noon with me and Zach Ax. God bless you guys and the rest of the crusaders.

[A]

God bless you guys.

[D]

Have a great day.

[B]

Cheers.