C (3:07)

Loving the brand that's just called Nice. The solid brand name.

A (3:11)

Yeah, absolutely. Das seems to be a shitty boss. Bartholomew found this now defunct Coptic Christian website claiming this.

B (3:19)

He tries to force his doctrines upon his factory workers employing various methods. It is unethical for him to take advantage of the workplace to attempt to convert originally Orthodox persons, teaching them unorthodox doctrines. This is why we encourage our Coptic Orthodox congregation to ban family foods and Avon products. And if he does terminate our Coptic Orthodox engineers and workers, many of our businessmen everywhere are willing to hire them. We are not concerned lest our people are terminated, but on the contrary, we are concerned lest they remain.

C (3:49)

This is like religious Travis view. He's like. He's like debunking someone who doesn't believe in the Trinity.

A (3:54)

Oh no, no, no, no. Careful. This is. We've switched now to a Coptic website.

C (3:58)

I see. Okay, okay. That's much less fun.

A (4:00)

Yeah, no, this is basically this Coptic Christian cult. Being like, this guy is not right. And he's trying to force people to, you know, break away from our cult. It's basically an Adventist sub cult that this guy Das has started and he is pushing this shit on his employees, right?

B (4:18)

Heresies, Heresies everywhere.

A (4:20)

Yeah. And here's the same website getting even deeper into Dos and his shenanigans.

B (4:24)

Seven Day Adventists came to Egypt in 1932 and as a Christian denomination, a false claim. Offering help to the needy and establishing orphanages, schools and hospitals. The priest sick named Hillel Das led this group. And Mr. Galal Philip Doss became one of their most active leaders. Currently he's a chief executive officer of Family Foods Co. Previously known as Nutrition Company. He is also the CEO of Avon Co. For Cosmetics.

A (4:51)

That's a big deal. Avon's like, I mean, yeah, that's huge. Maybe just Avon in Egypt, but either way, this man has a lot of money and he is extremely annoying. And that will be the kind of main thing we'll be exploring here is what happens when a very annoying, extremely kooky guy ends up with tons of money, just infinite resources to annoy everybody around him.

B (5:14)

In the former company are 1,000 Christian workers and staff members, while in the latter, 446 Christian. The two companies have factories in the 10th of Ramadan City as well as many subsidiaries similar to sales outlets. These include subsidiaries for Avon Co in Alexandria, Agrican, Maryland, Madi and Garden City. Mr. Galal Dawes conducts daily meetings for groups of workers in these companies. He gives 35 lectures to each group, most of them attacking The Christian faith and the orthodox dogma. After the block of lectures has been delivered, he publicly asks who became an Adventist. Anyone who is convinced of what he said will then undergo another set of lectures to fortify their deviated Adventist dogma.

C (5:58)

Sure, a lot of guys are saying that, yeah, no, I would love some more fucking lectures from you.

A (6:03)

Please tell me more. Is you can't really win if you say like, no. He's like, well, let's get you to become an Adventist so then we can get you to deviate. And if you say yes, he's like, great, I'm going to expound further.

B (6:14)

No one is spared. This is the prevent people from claiming that they're already an Adventist to get out of the initial lectures. You're getting tons of lectures either way.

A (6:22)

This is also why like corporate hierarchies and factories are just so difficult. Because if the guy at the top cop begin begins to to go this direction, you are so doomed. He's going to take away. He's gonna. Not only will you have, you know, obviously like quotas to fulfill, but he will distract you from them. He will waste your time so that it's even harder to meet them.

B (6:45)

The website goes on. He conducts other meetings in his own house in the Sheraton Towers every Saturday. Even assigns special cars to pick up those living far distances yet want to attend the meeting. Furthermore, he regularly visits and calls people persistently and with enticement. Moreover, he distributes non orthodox books and cassette tapes for free. He also utilizes the company's funds to facilitate medical treatment fees for those who attend the meetings. Further, he accepts the workers children into Adventist language schools.

A (7:14)

Yeah, so he is flexing all of his wealth giving people health care. He's distributing tapes, he's helping their kids get into school. He's making it seem really nice to break away from the Adventist church. And it is pissing them off. Off. So what happens when a kooky aging businessman decides to bankroll his own millenarian ministry? The answer is he builds a church for the algorithm. Shortwave radio shows, YouTube videos, downloadable tracts, web articles, print ads, billboard campaigns, and somehow still no actual church. In the regular sense. That absence is pretty telling. WLC does not really behave like a congregation. It behaves like a media funnel. It doesn't need a local chapel because its preferred setting is the browser window, the back page of a magazine, the site of a freeway, the moment of irritation while you're driving home and trying not to die on the 101.

C (8:06)

Basically, this guy is like a poster who has a shit ton of money. He's not a theologian. He does it. None of the religious shit. None of the like developing a cult of personality. No, it's posting.

A (8:15)

Yeah. And his church is his factory floor. Like, and the meetings that he keeps

B (8:19)

calling, you know, I think, I think this is a. He has the kind of like Elon Musk disease where it's like. Oh, no matter how much like wealth and influence and power he gets in the real world, what he wants to do is post and have people like his posts and then people listen to him and become an influencer. This is like the highest calling for these people, regardless of how much other sort of material success they get. They want to be listened to and taken seriously.

A (8:42)

Yes. Now add him being like in his 70s and you get an even more kind of like weird, annoying, out of touch guy. On its about page under WLC headquarters question mark it says our earthly headquarters for the time being is the World Wide Web. And it adds, we do not highlight nor dwell on any of the team members behind the humble ministry of wlc. Our central office and headquarters therefore are in New Jerusalem. It's theoretical. A church of the mind, a church of the cla. Cloud church.

C (9:14)

Our headquarters are Zion from the Matrix. Yeah, not there yet.

A (9:19)

That's useful because it tells you exactly how WLC wants to be perceived. Not as a normal organization with a visible hierarchy, payroll, chain of command and founder with a bug up his ass, but as a kind of floating truth platform detached from ego and rooted only in divine urgency. But that framing collapses pretty quickly if you look at the actual pattern here. The whole ministry bears the imprint of one man's obsessions. The anti orthodox agitation in Egypt, the Adventist background, the apocalyptic fixation, the need to publicly antagonize almost every other version of Christianity, the compulsion to spend money on huge declarative messages aimed at strangers. All of that points in one direction. WLC presents itself as decentralized because decentralized sounds pure. But in practice it feels intensely centralized just around personality rather than institution. It's all dos, dos, dos. The organization is basically an arm of his annoying personality.

C (10:10)

World's Last Chance.

A (10:12)

World's Last Chance, usually shortened to wlc, presents itself as a very simple thing on its own. About WLC Page. The group says, we are a team of non denominational volunteers dedicated to sharing the last message of mercy given in the Bible and the wonderful news of the return of Yahweh at the time only known to Yahuwah. We started this online ministry in 2004 as a result of years of prayer and research. So if you'll notice there, the return of Yahushua, who was Jesus at the time, only known to Yahuwah, which means, again, Jesus is not God. He did not pre exist. You know, he's like building in this point into his little quotes. So that's the official starting point. A volunteer ministry, a prophetic warning, and an origin date of 2004. WLC also says at the heart of WLC is the true God and his son, the true Christ. Which gives a very early signal that the ministry is defining itself against what it sees as false versions of Christianity.

C (11:07)

I mean, it is also, I might say, like, such a boring heresy of like. No, it's more like how it really is, where, you know, someone only exists when they're born. Like, where's your, like, sense of, like, wonder? You know, the point of the religion is that there's something not literally happening that's happening. That it's divine and different being, like. No, no, no. He is just a guy. Yeah, it's a little bit.

A (11:28)

Yeah. And it's pedantic. Yeah, yeah, it's pedantic. And it's kind of a downgrade.

C (11:33)

Yeah. God is actually way less cool than everyone else is saying he is.

B (11:37)

There's no divine mystery going on.

C (11:39)

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

A (11:40)

Well, there is, but you'll see later. It has to do with flat earth and fucking, like alien demons and shit.

C (11:45)

Of course. I see.

A (11:47)

It's a media ministry built around a specific set of theological claims that the Trinity is false, that most Christians worship incorre, that the biblical Sabbath has been hidden by the wrong calendar, and that the earth itself is flat and stationary. It pushes its own doctrinal escalations. It tells you in its own language that almost everyone else is wrong. Wrong about God, wrong about Christ, wrong about the Sabbath, wrong about death, wrong about the calendar, wrong about cosmology.

B (12:13)

I mean, I feel like this is exactly how William Miller himself really took off as a preacher. He said, like, I was like, I've interpreted the Bible and guess what? Everyone's wrong but me. And that's, you know, we have this very narrow sort of unique interpr of religious doctrine. You know, you can get a lot of followers.

A (12:30)

Yeah. And that's why, like, you know, we were saying this in previous episodes. If you propose a tabula rasa, it's really appealing to people who didn't have that much on their tabula to begin with. It's a bit like when I'm looking for a game that isn't like a DLC or a sequel where I'm like, I just want to start fresh. I don't want to have to know anything before, you know, going into it. I want simple, straightforward mechanics. You wrong, I right, you know, and I want to, you know, find my first sword, you know, and that's, that's kind of what's up here. It's like people who want to start the game over, they don't want new game plus, they don't want dlc, they don't want sequels. And you know what? I relate. I relate deeply. WLC is defined by a peculiar mix of slickness and crank energy that runs right through their website. In one sense, WLC wants to appear researched, patient, scriptural, exacting. It has apps, study guides, topical Pages, downloadable calendars, FAQs, articles, and radio broadcasts. But in another sense, it is powered by a persecuted knower mentality. It needs the audience to feel like they've stumbled onto a suppressed truth system, esoteric one that can explain why the churches are compromised, why the scientists are lying, why Catholicism is evil, why the calendars fake, the globes false, and why everyone in your life, or nearly, is operating inside a deception so total they cannot even perceive it. So we're very familiar with this on the podcast. I mean, it's. It's kind of your classic, like, I found a hidden truth. So here's from a 2016 YouTube video on their channel just to. Just to get a sample of how direct they are. It's called Flat Earth Bible Truth in an unstable world.

D (14:06)

The earth is not a globe. Our earth is flat.

B (14:11)

Okay, well, that's pretty straightforward.

C (14:13)

Yeah, it's a classic.

A (14:15)

Yeah, it just opens real straightforward. Unsurprisingly, the video you've just heard a clip from is extremely defensive and condescending at the same time.

D (14:24)

He that answereth a matter before he heareth is folly and shame unto him. Proverbs 18:13. A lifetime of deceptive information was hard to shake, but with special precision. Receiving the knowledge of truth is far healthier than holding emotive error. Learned when but a child, we pray you too, will investigate the Creator's ways with an open mind and an honest heart. Truth is never afraid of the fullest investigation. David Wardlaw Scott just pumping us full

A (15:14)

of little, like, preparation quotes that are all like, keep your mind open. And also, stop saying we're wrong. I know you're saying we're wrong. You're thinking it, aren't you?

B (15:21)

Yeah, the flat earthers have it tough because, like, all all real conspiracists are used to having what they call like stigmatized beliefs and the curve made fun of and being outside the mainstream. They have to live with a sting of that kind of being an outsider. But flat Earthers are stigmatized even within conspiracy theory circles. So even if someone's very pilled, then there's a good chance they'll still make fun of you for believing in flat earth. So this causes a great deal of defensiveness in them.

A (15:47)

I'm also convinced that this guy has like millennials and zoomers on staff because almost all his shit sounds AI, including the like conversational podcast. He puts out hours of like, it's like it's these two guys. And I'm pretty sure they're both AI. Like, well, we'll hear a bit of them talking. But you know, you tell me, Liv, maybe you'd be the best barometer here.

C (16:10)

Chat. Can you make me an hour long podcast of two people who think the earth is flat and also that Jesus is the like literal son of God?

A (16:17)

Yeah. The confrontational tone here is built into the organization's public identity. It presents itself as a bearer of suppressed truth. The line at the heart of WLC is the true God and his Son, the true Christ already implies that many people are following a false God and a false Christ.

C (16:32)

I imagine one reason the defensiveness as well is that like, I'm pretty sure every Christian denomination would call this not even Christian. Like if you're not except the Trinity, I think that's the bar that a lot of them make is like, you're literally not Christian. So it's like, actually we're Christian and you're actually not Christian. We're the only ones.

A (16:47)

Exactly. I was going to, I was going to get into the Trinity right now because that's the clearest example here. You know, the WLC doesn't merely downplay the doctrine or say it's a difficult issue or complicated or anything like that. On its beliefs page, it states plainly WLC believes that Yahushua Jesus is the son of God, not God the Son. WLC rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, which was not formally established until the 4th century. Dude, that's so good. It was not established till the 4th century. So it's wrong. I mean, listen, I'm a fan of some of this way of thinking because like Peter and Paul absolutely fucked up the Bible. They put in a bunch of homophobic bullshit. They took out all the communist shit. Like, you know, they, they, they twisted Jesus's words. Jesus, you know, And I know this is a cliche and a bumper sticker. Jesus was a communist. And also he had no intolerance built into his doctrine. Not, not early on. But then of course these 12 fools came and twisted his fin. Travis, you were going to say something. And also you look like Jesus.

B (17:47)

Yeah, yeah, I would say you're talking. It was not a doctrine until the 4th century. He's talking about the Nicene Creed, which is like.

A (17:54)

Yeah.

B (17:54)

Which is like the fundamental sort of like, creed of like all orthodox Christianity in the world right now.

C (18:00)

I do, I do think the sentiment, it is funny to do the thing of like. Oh, you know, a lot of the interpretations modern Christianity has is like a filter they've added on to the original. Even like what is and what isn't. The canon is like not super set in stone, but then like comma, and our interpretation is the only correct one. And it came about 10 years ago.

A (18:19)

Yeah, also, I'm pretty sure aliens are going to be tough to write into this and like the, the flat earth in a very direct sense also. But, you know, so basically to wlc, orthodox Christianity is the product of a later corruption. This point becomes even more explicit in newer WLC material. In a March 2026 article titled One God, One Man, One Redemption, WLC writes, quoting 1st Timothy 2. 5. For there is one God and there is one mediator between Yahuwah and men, the man Christ. Yahushua. Then it adds the interpretive line, not God the Son, not God man, but the man Christ. Yahushua Man Christ is so good. That's a very clean statement that shows the group's current Christology. It's not just anti trinitarian. It's like, no, no, no. Jesus is fully and solely a man. He's not a divine human being in the orthodox sense. And that, you know, is what they put on that big billboard that I came across. You know, my first posting of it to Instagram was just like, the girls are fighting. You know, it's like everyone's getting pissed off at each other. There's nothing funnier than the orthosphere, like, turning in on itself and consuming itself.

C (19:30)

Yeah, because like the point of the Nicene Creed was to, to oppose, you know, Arianism, which is like believed that the Father does beget the Son, but like, again, in a way that is more spiritual. Like, it's like, it's like hyper Aryanism of like, no, no, no. But he is just a guy as well, which is somehow less spectacular than Christianity.

A (19:48)

Yeah, stop being a coward and Start putting up billboards that said God nutted and Jesus came out.

C (19:55)

Yeah.

A (19:56)

So one of the things you might have noticed is the Yahuwah and Yahushua references. This is a pattern that they have of restoring true language, which appears constantly in WLC's use of these kind of sacred names. So of course, like I said, Yahuwah is God and Yahushua is Jesus. And that choice is important to them because it makes ordinary Christians speak speech itself feel compromised. Like just the basics of saying God and Jesus, like you're are. You're getting that wrong too. And from there we can get into the next major doctrine, which is the Sabbath. WLC's identity is built around Sabbath restoration, but not in the usual Seventh Day Adventist sense of simply keeping Saturday. WWLC teaches a lunisolar calendar in which the true Sabbath is calculated according to the moon, much like women's cycles. Travis just threw his hands up. Why are you alienating our audience? This means the holy days don't follow the continuous seven day civic cycle used by modern life. Instead, they float according to the ministry's understanding of biblical time. That doctrine is so central that WLC has a whole lunisolar truth section, a calendar app, a calendar with feast days, a printable lunisolar calendar, and a library of testimony pages from lunisolar keepers. You're looking at like retooling language, completely retooling your understanding of time. Like, this man wants to fundamentally alter people's brains. And that's why I think, I don't know if he has a big following. I think a lot of this is just pushing message hell. Yeah.

C (21:27)

Yeah, it's, it's a really hard sell. Unless you have like a charismatic guy at the center, which it seems like.

A (21:32)

Oh yeah, no, clearly not.

C (21:33)

Yeah, it seems oddly like he wants to be the charismatic cult leader, but he probably personally doesn't have the juice for it. Especially if he's like, the only place that he can really properly evangelize is like factory are like legally mandated to be there. And they're like, well, I don't really like this.

A (21:48)

Yeah, this sucks so bad.

C (21:50)

Yeah. Making someone just redo when they celebrate holidays. You know, you have to go into work and be like, oh no, tomorrow is the day that I have off. And you have to respect that, boss, because I'm in a cult. It's like, it's a big ask from people to restructure their life in that way.

A (22:04)

Yeah, it is. That's why it's so funny to see the Coptic Christians and like Adventists be like, hey, if you leave, like we'll rehire you. Like we have businessmen, like, who will rehire you. Like staying there is worse. We're not scared you're going to lose your job because of your your good beliefs versus his bad beliefs. We're scared you're going to stay and eventually change your mind. I mean, if he's hammering at you like this and he's holding your money like over your head, I mean, yeah, eventually it's like, fuck it. So this is one of the strongest ways to understand WC as a kind of cultic or near cultic structure rather than just like a niche theological website. It asks them to inhabit a totally different calendar. Time itself becomes sectarian along with language. If you cross that threshold, it's going to be hard to reintegr like normal life afterwards. On the about page it says the ministry exists to share Quote the last message of mercy suggests that history is closing, truth is scarce, and WLC is positioned at the final moment to deliver what others have failed to deliver. And in that structure, every doctrinal disagreement becomes urgent. You can yell at people in block caps and it's kind of warranted. It's like a guy being like, the building's on fire. Quick, quick, accept a new contract. The apocalyptic structure is what allows WLC to absorb more and more radical claims into one unified worldview. If the world's approaching its end, if mainstream religion has already accepted falsehood, and if even the basic names of God has been obscured, then there's little reason to trust any dominant institution. The most visible form of this, of course, is beautiful, beautiful flat earth. WLC says that it rejects the counterfeit world created by the pseudo scientists and the Roman Catholic Church and her Jesuits. I love calling the Roman Catholic Church. Her being like, that bitch is wrong.

C (23:48)

Using herstory pejoratively.

A (23:50)

Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, your calendar is herstory.

C (23:54)

I guess the flat earth is quite intelligent. It's kind of like the Nigerian prince scams. How like an important part of that is like putting something ridiculous up front so that you don't waste your time too much on people who are like, not stupid enough to fall for it. Because if you're dumb enough to be like, no, it's a flat earth and it's not moving. Like, it's like, okay, we could get this guy in here. It's more likely.

A (24:14)

Yeah, it self selects for highly suggestible people.

C (24:17)

Yeah, exactly.

A (24:18)

To give you a taste of their messaging in action, I've prepared some excerpts from their most Popular videos at number one with 1.4 million views. We have a trailer for a now totally impossible to find movie that was released in 2012 called Rest in Peace, which posits that all you dumb Christians are wrong about death, mostly because Satan is really good at deception. So the COVID of this video is like Rest in Peace in this destructed font, very edgy, with like a graveyard in black and white in the background. And here's the video we'll have Liv please read the titles that appear on the screen.

C (24:56)

The death of a loved one brings heartache, regret. And often as a guy look over the sky questions what happens to the soul when we die? Is there consciousness after death? Can perfect love condemn anyone to burn for eternity? Can the dead communicate with us? An answer for every question can be found in the word. Why is it perilous to hold wrong beliefs concerning death? How does the love of the heavenly father shine through at death? Watch now to learn often overlooked truths from the Bible that exposed Satan's in red. Largest deception concerning death. World's last chance. Rest in peace. And then it's like an ECG and like 3D texts to kill it.

A (25:40)

Yeah, the ECG is such a good note. And there's like a big hand of God reaching from the clouds, like towards a grave, like, hey, come on out. We're going to heaven now. Now that you've been buried, you'd think it was a death, but no, the corpse has to live in limbo until it's buried.

C (25:57)

I'm so fascinated by like, how that got 1.4 million views. Like, what, how ironic. What portion of irony are the views? Is it like 99% is like. Yeah, look at this. Look at this shitty ass video.

A (26:10)

He might have like paid for it to be boosted. He might have a farm that's like, you know, like trying to boost it as well. Not sure. The WLC also has opinions on Christmas, of course, which they express in a 2015 video entitled Christmas History and Traditions. And it's this. It's God basically, with big white hair and a beard, holding a little child who's giving a Kubrick stare. Very strange. But he has a scythe behind him and flames.

C (26:37)

It kind of looks like an old magic the Gathering card art. Like there's something strange. This feels like it shouldn't be religious.

A (26:44)

Yeah. Christmas origin, history and tradition. So we've got some nice, nice Christmas imagery. Families enjoying Christmas snowmen, families giving each other gifts. Stock photos. A nice black family enjoying themselves at Christmas holiday.

D (27:11)

For most people, the word is applied to one celebration in particular, Christmas. The definition of the word holiday reveals a religious element of which many people are unaware. Holiday, a religious festival, a holy day.

A (27:35)

Literally doing the Webster's defines. But yeah, obviously most people know that holiday is a reference to holy day. But in this case, he's basically setting you up because you're going to accept this and go, yeah, I'm a Christian and I believe that that's true. Like we should put the holy back in the holy, you know, but in fact, it turns out if you're a Christian celebrating it in a religious manner, you've got it all wrong, dumbass. You're falling into Satan's deception.

D (28:02)

Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus at Christmas time. They exchange gifts in honor of the greatest gift ever given. They say Jesus is the reason for the season and speak of putting the Christ back into Christmas. The problem is Yeshua, the Savior was never in Christmas to begin with. While scripture does not supply the Savior's birth date, most scholars agree that he was born in the fall, not December 25th. To discover the God being honored at Christ Christmas, it is necessary to trace its pagan origins.

A (28:53)

Yeah, this interestingly, is often wrong. Like a lot of people like to just put pagan holidays over Christian holidays and say, hey, it's just an adaptation of the pagan holidays. But for example, with Easter, they've got that one wrong, but Christmas a little more right.

B (29:09)

Well, this reminds me a little bit of the puritans of the 17th century. In both, you know, the new and the old world, they didn't celebrate Christmas because they thought it was a popish holiday and it was pagan and they didn't, they thought it was not biblical. So yeah, this is very, very, actually very old school, I guess Puritan belief at least.

A (29:27)

So Christians are wrong and Santa is not what he seems.

D (29:32)

Even the imagery of Father Christmas or Santa Claus bears a striking resemblance to Saturn. An old man with a long beard surrounded by children. Saturn, the evil child sacrifice demanding old man, appears in modern society in two more guises every December. Saturn, the God of time re emerges as old father. Time baby New year is a symbol of the child victim.

B (30:13)

Oh my God.

C (30:15)

So Christmas is about the child molester eater and then New Year's is celebrating the baby who's being eaten. Basically, yeah.

A (30:23)

The baby being cut down. The baby of the old year. The video goes on to claim basically that when Christians celebrate Christmas in a religious way, they're participating in a counterfeit observance shot through with pagan residue and satanic deception. It's like Here's a holiday that proves the churches are compromised, the culture is spiritually contaminated and your instincts about, about innocence, family ritual and ordinary festivity cannot be trusted. WLC here is constantly taking the familiar and redescribing it as evidence of hidden contamination. I mean, yeah, Saturn eating his child. You know, just, just cutting to that after you're showing like nice children on Santa's lap, like asking for gifts. It's, it's really special stuff. He loves to do the one, two, like that. And the music shifts as well.

C (31:06)

It's like, yeah, this is a very, this does feel like a very spiritually like Christian style of paranoia. Wanting to watch out for like negative influence. Yeah, like, like Travis mentioned with the View that Christmas is like a Papist holiday except it's just like also really online. It's just a very modern iteration of this. So of course you're going to add in the, the aliens.

A (31:26)

Well, I was listening to a really interesting interview with Eleanor Jennica who's, who's been on our podcast and is kind of a specialist of the Middle Ages and Christian belief and stuff like that. And it turns out like Easter used to be a way more important holiday because it's like when Christ comes back, it's when Christ proves that he's Christ basically not, you know, the day of the birth, which is of course also a questionable date. So you know, Christmas mostly a capitalist focus. It wouldn't be a kook's paradise if WLC did not eventually wander into the Jewish question and anti Semitic cosmology. And of course it does. In their extremely subtly titled WLC radio episode 83 Jews, Seed of the Serpent, which is from 2025, you can hear a familiar kind of maneuvering.

B (32:15)

These people don't believe in dog whistles. You.

A (32:18)

No, no, no.

E (32:19)

Today we're going to be talking about modern day Jews and why they are no longer Yah's special people. Now many sincere Christians today look to the Jews traditions to gain deeper spiritual insights and they've even adopted many of their traditions. But you see, this is wrong. Christians have no business turning to modern Jews for truth because they are actually no longer Yah's people. It doesn't mean that individual Jews cannot turn to him and be saved. But as a whole they rejected Yahuwah centuries ago and are no longer his special chosen people.

F (32:57)

Now before we go on, I just really want to define very specifically just whom we're talking about. Our broadcasts are heard around the world and many countries have anti hate legislation. I just want to make it very, very clear that we're not talking about a race of people. We're not talking about the descendants of Abra. We are talking about a group that is linked by ideology rather than DNA.

A (33:23)

So that's interesting. Who are you talking about? Mr. Definitely AI. Now that I re listened the third

F (33:31)

time, we're going to be talking about an ideology that has been developed and promulgated by a group that are united in a covert agenda to dominate the world.

B (33:42)

I mean, it's a pretty good AI voice, the way it does pauses and breath and stuff.

D (33:47)

Stuff.

B (33:47)

It's, it's a little bit more advanced.

A (33:49)

Yeah, he's paying the money.

B (33:51)

He's paying the big bucks for the good. For the good AI voices.

C (33:54)

I was curious like, like, surely you can't ask ChatGPT to like give you a podcast on the JQ. Like surely they wouldn't transcribe.

A (34:02)

I think he writes it right.

C (34:03)

Okay. I guess so the text to speech is fine.

A (34:06)

Yeah, you'll see a little more once the two supposed hosts interact with each other. By the way, the hosts only go by their first name, of course. So yeah, let's, let's see here. We've got this neurotic defensiveness kicking in.

F (34:18)

I really feel the need to emphasize this point because we released some of this information in a documentary and various countries blocked the video claiming it violated their hate crime legislation. So again, we're not talking about the Jewish race. We're talking about a dangerous ideology that is promoted by Jews and non Jews alike.

E (34:39)

The crypto Jews.

F (34:41)

Jews, exactly.

C (34:42)

Crypto Jew is like a Jew in like a. It's like hanging upside down to sleep.

A (34:49)

Bitcoin maximalist. Yeah. So I mean, these guys who aren't real, they do love to oscillate between like this insinuation and grievance. They want the pleasure of saying something incendiary, but that they also want to retain the ability to claim they're being unfairly smeared. And the WLC is no different. Different. The game is to say something monstrous in a tone of aggrieved reasonableness, then pre complain about the future reaction. So you can imagine the rest of the episode. It goes swimmingly. Well, it's just, yes, the crypto Jews and you know, some of them aren't even Jews. And I mean, this is, you know, you're kind of classic. And they're not talking about Zionists. They're not informed by history. They, they're just doing like antisemitism and bringing up hate laws because their YouTube videos keep getting taken down. The Art of Annoying Everyone Das is a shortwave radio enthusiast which already feels, you know, spiritually correct for him. Of course, a man like this would be drawn to a medium associated with lonely conviction, apocalypse, hobbyists crackling transmissions, and voices arriving from nowhere in the dark. In 2018, he tossed a bunch of money at WBCQ, an infamous shortwave station known for carrying a all kinds of extreme religious material. Also in 2018, the blogger Jason Colavito wrote about Dos after finding a bizarre ad in the back of People magazine, which is too perfect. This whole what the fuck am I looking at? Effect has clearly been a part of WLC's strategy for a long time. It inserts itself into spaces where it doesn't belong and uses the resulting dissonance as a delivery mechanism. So you're flipping through a mainstream magazine or driving through Los angeles or browsing YouTube and suddenly here comes this authoritarian blast. Last of End Times Certainty. So here's from Colavito's blog post.

C (36:35)

The ad comes to us under the auspices of World's Last Chance llc, a corporate cum ministry headed by Kalal P. Doss.

A (36:42)

No, a corporation come ministry, not a corporate come ministry. Please leave that in. I want to be in a corporate cum ministry.

C (37:02)

Sorry, my fault, my fault. Of course, of course, sorry. I was thinking of something very different there, but I understand what it actually means.

A (37:08)

Yeah, you're thinking of your Tuesday and Thursday meetings.

C (37:13)

A corporation come ministry headed by Galal P. Doss, a former Seventh Day Adventist from Egypt with a track record of making bizarre prophecies, such as his failed prophecy that the Pope to succeed Benedict would be a demon pretending to be the resurrected John Paul the II. Das headed an Egyptian cosmetic company before leaving Adventism in 1999 over concerns that the Adventist church was too soft on social issues. His efforts to convince Coptic Christians of the error of their faith earned a reproof from the head of the Coptic Church in the early 2000s. Doss remains the head of the family cosmetics company, and his business success seems to help him to fund his ministry. Registration Information for the World Flash Chant's website lists Doss as the owner, and his name also appears on documents filed in Wyoming for the operation of the llc. The text based advertisement, whose primary purpose is to attack the Pope over his failure to move the Sabbath to Saturday, covers a full page and has no pictures. In dense, narrow letters it claims that the prophecies of the Book of Revelation are currently coming to pass, that the end of the world is near. It concludes Its review of Revelation by asking readers to imagine the panic that will grip the financial market markets when God destroys trees, crops, and fresh water. The relevant section of the advertisement refers to the fifth trumpet of Revelation.

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The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the Earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the abyss. When he opened the abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the abyss, and out of the smoke, locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the Earth.

C (38:52)

According to the supposedly literalist Doss, this refers bizarrely to the arrival of fake space aliens and UFOs, saying that the

B (38:59)

passage foretells a celestial invasion of demons posing as aliens. The pain that these aliens will inflict is likened in the Bible to the sting of scorpion. The scriptures state that people will want to die to escape the pain, but will be unable in the chaos that will engulf the world. During the fifth trumpet, the powers that be will scramble to find a world leader that will end this alien invasion. They will rush to enlist the moral authority of this world, that is Pope Francis. The Pope will gladly accept the challenge and will engage the aliens in negotiations that will lead to the end of their invasion on the 150th day, just as foretold in the book of Revelation. When the invasion ends, Pope Francis will emerge as the undisputed world leader and savior of mankind. Consequently, all nations will gladly surrender their power and authority to Francis and ask him for a roadmap and agenda that will ensure another invasion never takes place.

A (39:55)

Yeah, if a bunch of demon aliens come down from Earth, definitely. I'm just going to be giving up my national sovereignty to the Pope.

C (40:01)

Yeah, that's how it works. It's like, sorry, man, we forgot. We didn't realize you got it like that.

A (40:06)

Ah, fuck. You were so right this whole time. Tell us what's next.

B (40:10)

Maybe not Pope Francis, but we got an American Pope now, so it should be okay.

A (40:14)

Yeah, there we go. Well, maybe if he was Egyptian American, we'd be a little further along.

C (40:19)

And what do the demon aliens want to. Why, to have church services held on Sunday, of course. This doss says will make God furious, because Sunday is a bad, nasty, horrible day, and only Saturday can make God smile. The demons will bring about the Apocalypse and fake an entire alien invasion. So the majority of Christians, who make up only 30% of the world's population, will continue to worship on the day they have set aside as the Sabbath. Already it seems like a bit more effort than it's worth.

A (40:46)

We know this looks crazy from the outset. We know it.

C (40:49)

Doss writes the advertisement has appeared in a range of national publications over the past few months, including USA Today.

A (40:56)

He goes big. That's what I like about him. He's doing total kook shit and he's doing it in USA Today and People magazine.

C (41:03)

I do think this isn't that good just based on how many like annoying, like fundamentalists this is probably going to piss off because this is like, that's who this is.

A (41:11)

Oh yeah, yeah.

C (41:12)

It rocks like everyone else. Yeah.

A (41:14)

No, dos, Das rocks.

C (41:15)

Yeah. Every atheist is just like, well, it's another Christian sign. Whatever. Seen it before.

A (41:20)

If he stays away from like around his factory workers and just sticks with like getting People magazine to print the most crazy shit you've ever read, that's like, I support that.

C (41:31)

The idea that demons are masquerading as aliens goes back to the UFO prophets of the 1950s and 60s who attempted to fit the then new idea of UFOs into a biblical framework. This is, however, the first time I've seen the demon aliens obsessing over the Sabbath as the reason for their opinion appearance.

A (41:47)

So unsurprisingly, Kolavito's blog post has done nothing to stop das, who continues to pay for billboards everywhere. Which explains why I saw one while driving in LA the other day. Once again, the Bible says Jesus is not God. God's son did not pre exist in heaven. What's striking about that whole prophecy is the confidence with which WLC scales up every idea to planetary size. WLC has one basic narrative hack, rabbit. Maximalize everything.

C (42:15)

Yeah, it's very like it is just a movie plot. Basically everyone, everyone of these like kooks now just thinks through the plot of movies and it's like whatever. Like that's the only way that they could like hope to convert people is like you just say the most outrageous thing and then someone is like, well it seems like. Seems like there'd be a good movie about that happening coming out soon.

A (42:34)

The aggressive, declarative slogans are designed to provoke attention and more specifically, to provoke a kind of injured curiosity. WLC is good at producing messages that are simple enough to scan in half a second and inflammatory enough to compel a second look. Jesus is not God. The Earth is flat. Sunday is the mark of the beast. That also helps explain why WLC keeps surfacing in media coverage even when many people have never heard of it. A single billboard print ad, Flat earth clip, A single insane prophetic claim about demon aliens and the papacy. Any of those is enough to make the whole ministry briefly visible. The organization's content is built for that kind of intermittent virality. It takes a theological line that most Christians would consider outrageous, states it as if it were the most obvious thing in the world, and lets public disbelief do the rest. There's also something revealing in the fact that WLC so often chooses messaging that annoys almost everyone at once. Normal Christians hate it, secular people laugh at it, scientists roll their eyes, other prophecy weirdos probably think some of it's a bit much. But total popularity is not the goal. Goal. The goal, like you said Liv earlier, is to skim off the tiny number of people for whom provocation feels like proof of sincerity. It's basically, yeah, like, if you'll believe this, then you should look into this because you're going to be pretty primed. Like, if the world hates us, maybe we really are telling the truth. That's the emotional logic being activated. WLC packages persecution as branding.

C (43:56)

If you're over the target, et cetera, et cetera, as the cute people say

A (44:00)

it is, it's over the target stuff. Yeah, it's very. I mean, it's very Qanoni Unforeseen financial challenges yeah, Unsurprisingly, this is where we're at now. You'd think a millenarian would be great at foreseeing things. Unfortunately for dos, this does not seem to extend to cash flow. And there's something almost touching about the way a large prophetic certainty keeps running aground on mundane material constraints. So here's a March 18, 2026 comment on their website addressing the the fact that their YouTube podcast, run by the two fake guys called Miles and Dave, has gone quiet. So this is a post by a guy called Ronald Beerbug, Mr. Beerb says, what happened to Miles and Dave? No new episodes concerned A.R.

C (44:48)

beerb and the WLC team responds hi Ronald. The WLC radio broadcast has been temporarily suspended while we work through some unforeseen financial challenges. Challenges. While this pause is difficult, we trust fully in Yahuwah's perfect guidance and provision, and we are excited to see how he will be glorified through this trial. We will keep you informed as he opens the way forward. In the meantime, we humbly ask you for continued prayers and support. And then it's the donate page, presumably.

A (45:16)

Yeah, Partner with wlc.

C (45:18)

Yeah, we give thanks to Yahuwah knowing that, as Scripture assures us, these light afflictions which are but for a moment are working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory. 2 Corinthians 4:17. Thank you for standing with us in faith in his love, the WLC team, which I do love. It's like, sorry, our ChatGPT AI slot podcast budget just ran out.

A (45:40)

I know, it's true. I don't know what happened. Maybe it is a bit like what you were exploring in the previous one, where they like decommissioned the specific AI that was doing that. That. And suddenly you know, there's no way to like recreate Dave and Miles. Like maybe he pissed off like the millennial who had this running on rails and like fired them or got into a disagreement and then suddenly he's like, well, good luck figuring out how to have Miles and Dave exist anymore, you shitty old man.

C (46:09)

Yeah, presumably the one guy who knew how to use AI. Yeah, maybe they can't pay him more, maybe. Or yeah, they just pissed him off.

A (46:18)

Yeah, this is a guy in his mid-70s. He is not like personally programming these. These. Yeah, no, it's not. Not happening. So on its donations page, the ministry further states, the nonprofit WLC ministry is currently facing growing financial challenges which have unfortunately led to the suspension of several projects. This is interesting for a couple of reasons. First, it suggests that the ministry's media sprawl may finally have hit the limits of its patronage model. WLC has always been a content machine. It's like articles, videos, radio apps, billboards, tracks, calendars, trans materials, the whole thing. But that kind of thing can feel sprawling and inevitable from outside, but it usually depends on a relatively narrow stream of committed donors. Plus, in this case, the founder's willingness to keep underwriting the operation once that weakens the Apocalypse brand suddenly has to explain why production schedules look less like prophecy and more like a struggling small business. Second, the financial problems make the whole enterprise look a little more like what it probably was all along. Not a mysterious web of volunteers operating from New Jerusalem, but an aging founder's long running personal project. Expensive to maintain and difficult to institutionalize. WLC's boast that its headquarters are on the web make it sound futuristic and borderless, but borderless. Ministries still have bills. Servers cost money, Media workers cost money, which I'm really positing that he pissed off a couple of those. Yeah, billboards definitely cost money. And at a certain point, even the most theatrical denunciation of mainstream reality has to conform front accounting.

C (47:44)

Yeah, there is something like ethereal about just how much money the institution has like, gives some sort of legitimacy to it, I assume from some people. It's just like, wow, they're just everywhere. It must be because God loves them.

A (47:56)

I really don't think this is the end of this. I mean, I think that, like, there's nothing better than hardship. You know, you're going to narrate that as like persecution. You're going to narrate that as an obstacle you overcame. It's going to be pretty easy. And I'm pretty sure that we have not heard the last of Galal Philip Habib Das, which by the way, incredible. What a fucking name. What a fucking name. This is the product of colonialism giant, like business owners called Galal Philip Habib Das who annoy the hell out of everybody around them and especially their workers. Yeah, I think that like, if anything, if there's like a downturn, we're going to get even more fevered messaging. He's going to get even more excited.

C (48:34)

Right.

A (48:34)

Or he's just going to get so old that he just kind of peters out. I don't know. I mean, he is like ancient. We are run by an ancient, menacing class of dinosaurs.

C (48:45)

Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe he was like, you know, he's 75. He's convinced, like he needs to get this message out or the world is going to end. And like, that's why he's been going in the red. Like, he has enough. He has a good amount of money, but like, not enough to publish as much as he has been, not enough to get that many billboards. And so it's kind of starting to come to an end. In terms of how much?

A (49:04)

Yeah, maybe.

C (49:05)

Yeah.

A (49:06)

Either that or they're going to become more mean, more aggrieved and more convinced that the crisis proves they were right all along long. The billboard guy may be down, but I would not assume he's out. Never underestimate what a rotting pile of capital can do with itself.

C (49:19)

Yeah, well, honestly, one of the, one of the better usages of a horrifically large amount of, you know, unethically gained money.

A (49:27)

Yes.

C (49:27)

It's just your weird specific. You don't even have like the cult going. You have all the kooky stuff related to a cult. But then like, you haven't presumably, hopefully haven't ruined as many people's lives.

A (49:38)

Yeah. You're annoying a lot of people, but you're probably doing like some form of damage reduction by doing this instead of what most people do with large amounts of like, you know, should never have been earned capital.

C (49:49)

I don't think he has enough sauce to be getting enough people who are like, yeah, I just sold my house to go channel with, you know, Habib Das.

A (49:55)

Yeah, the dos sauce is running thin.

C (49:57)

Yeah.

B (49:58)

You know, I think also we got a nice preview. What's going to happen in like 30 or 40 years maybe when, like, the current crop of, like, tech billionaires and perhaps their visions of eternal life aren't coming to fruition and they're actually facing serious mortality, they're probably going to come very apocalyptic and start broadcasting their personal messages to as many brains as they possibly can. Like, this guy is.

C (50:23)

Yeah.

A (50:23)

Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, we'll be very lucky if they don't just sick their inventions on

C (50:28)

us as humanity isn't like Jack, like Twitter Jack, like, going like Ted Kaczynski or has gone for like a while, while he was just like, living in a shed and growing out his beard,

A (50:38)

being a little weird. And. Yeah, he's been, he's been a little ascetic or at least on the surface, you know, that these guys live and like, you know, and yeah, he had that video. I remember a while back where he was like, all bitten up by mosquitoes and had been like, meditating and fasting in a cave. But I'm pretty sure after that they go back to, like, living lives of pure luxury. And he did try to launch, like, an alternative to Twitter, which did not take off. Instead, Blue sky took off.

C (51:02)

Yeah. And this is like the. The petty bourgeois version of that guy who's, like, a bit less powerful. So it is, it's. It's better than he kind of Elon ed out. Presumably this is kind of his equivalent of Eloning out, because Elon was like, well, wokeness is destroying civilization. Like, I have to ruin my reputation and put all my money in.

A (51:19)

Yeah.

C (51:19)

Creating like a. A Nazi platform, basically.

A (51:22)

Yeah. Instead, this guy was like, the Adventists that I've been hanging out with for decades are, like, dead wrong. Fuck them all. People closest to who I am, like, are wrong.

C (51:31)

I wish Elon did this one. So, like, we'd have to deal with, you know, he's so much. Yeah.

A (51:36)

You could turn on all the other, like, transhumanists. Yeah, that would be good. Please, Elon, do that instead of what you're doing.

C (51:42)

Yeah. Spend billions of dollars trying to convince people that Jesus was just a guy, that the earth is flat.

D (51:47)

Mm.

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Oh, my God, Liv, that's crazy. Where can they do that?

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F (53:19)

Isaiah 48:13 says, Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens.

E (53:30)

So as we've already shown, you can't have a solid immovable foundation on a ball earth that's spinning millions of miles through space place.

F (53:39)

It's impossible though, isn't it, really?

E (53:41)

You can't do it. You can't do it. But there's more. The word spanned here is very interesting. It says, my hand hath spanned the heavens. When you look up the word spanned, it comes from a Hebrew word that means to. Now, are you ready for this to flatten out? Now? Tell me, Miles, even if we rest scripture to prove that the heavens were stretched out to come cover a ball Earth, how are you going to explain this verse, to flatten out the heavens?

F (54:12)

Can't do it.

E (54:14)

No.

F (54:15)

All right, but let me ask you something. We've all seen pictures taken from high altitude planes or weather balloons. You know, the type that go into the sky and take weather pictures. And if you go out far enough into space, you definitely can see the curvature there.

E (54:31)

And the vast majority of those pictures are taken through a fisheye lens. What happens when you take pictures through a fisheye lens?

F (54:40)

Straight lines curve. Yeah.

E (54:42)

Right. Yeah.