Radiolab — "After Life"
Episode Summary
Original Air Date: July 27, 2009
Hosts: Jad Abumrad, Robert Krulwich | Producers: WNYC Studios

Overview

In this inventive, meditative episode, Radiolab journeys through 11 diverse "meditations" on death and what might come after. The hosts, curious and contemplative, ask: What leaves with the last breath? Who gets to define when we’re truly gone? And in a world increasingly shaped by science and technology, can anything — a soul, a memory, a digital shadow — survive us? Drawing on neuroscience, philosophy, technology, and deeply personal stories, this episode explores the boundary between life and death with playfulness, awe, and empathy.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Weight of the Soul (03:00–08:00)

• The Experiment: The hosts recount the curious case of Dr. Duncan MacDougall, an early 20th-century physician who attempted to weigh the soul by measuring dying patients' bodies at the moment of death. He claimed a 21-gram drop indicated the soul's physical presence.
• Skepticism: Biologist Lee Silver critiques the experiment’s methodology and conclusions, calling the weight statistically insignificant and chalking results up to crude measurement tools and environmental factors.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “He literally put people almost dying onto a scale?” – Robert Krulwich (04:30)
  • “He’d be laughed out of the academy today.” – Lee Silver (08:00)
• Reflective Note: Despite scientific implausibility, witnessing death can feel as if “something vital has gone away suddenly.”

2. When Are We Gone? (14:00–28:00)

• Redefining Death: A journey through evolving definitions of death — from Shakespeare’s King Lear using a mirror to check for breath to 19th-century stethoscopes and finally to the 1968 Harvard committee’s formulation of “brain death.”
• Societal & Religious Differences: Some religious groups (e.g., Orthodox Judaism, Vatican City) and cultures resist brain death, insisting that as long as the heart beats, the soul remains.
• “Dead” by Institution vs. “Dead” by Family:
  • “That scene of Lear with the mirror and the feather… it’s not a medical diagnosis. It’s about love and loss.” – Gary Greenberg (27:30)
• Philosophical Question: Who gets to decide when someone is truly gone?

3. Is Anyone In There? Awareness & Technology (28:00–44:00)

• Vegetative States: Dr. Adrian Owen uses brain scans to test awareness in patients presumed vegetative. Asking a woman to imagine playing tennis, they see brain activity identical to healthy subjects, revealing hidden consciousness in some.
• Ethical Dilemma: We can confirm awareness if detected, but cannot conclusively declare unawareness if undetected—demanding caution in defining death.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “It seems quite literally a shot in the dark.” – Jad Abumrad (36:10)
  • “We know enough to know that we know much less than we thought.” – Robert Krulwich (43:50)

4. The Moment of Death: A Survivor’s Story (48:00–54:00)

• Ken Baldwin’s Experience: Having survived a suicide attempt off the Golden Gate Bridge, Baldwin describes the immediate regret and mental clarity in the seconds before hitting the water. His story reveals how, in confronting imminent death, the will to live can resurface with overwhelming force.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “The last things I saw leave the bridge were my hands. And at that very moment, I said, Oh my God, this is a mistake.” – Ken Baldwin (52:30)
  • “It became a switch to another life.” – Ken Baldwin (53:30)

5. Am I Dead? Cotard’s Syndrome & The Divided Self (54:40–01:00:30)

• The Case of Jeannie: Neuropsychologist Paul Broks describes a patient convinced she might be dead, an experience linked to Cotard’s syndrome (the “walking corpse” delusion).
• Explaining the Syndrome: The disconnect between sensory perception (the “outer you”) and internal thought (the “inner you”) can make consciousness feel cut adrift from reality—a kind of ghostliness.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “How would I know if I was dead?” – Jeannie (59:00)
  • “If you don’t have feelings attached to thoughts and perceptions, you’re like vapor… you have no weight.” – Paul Broks (59:40)
• Philosophical Parallel: Is this “drifting” not a version of afterlife?

6. Digital Immortality & Mind Uploading (01:00:45–01:06:30)

• Silicon Immortality: Neuroscientist David Eagleman speculates on a future where consciousness could be uploaded into computers, creating a digital self persisting after physical death.
• Practical/Philosophical Issues: Questions arise about error, continuity of identity, and what it means to ‘be’ yourself if reconstructed in silicon.
• Quotable Exchange:
  • “If you could recreate the brain out of, let’s say, beer cans and tennis balls… then that would be you.” – David Eagleman (01:02:10)
  • “The hubris of this…” – Robert Krulwich (01:03:22)

7. Metaphors of the Afterlife & Memory (08:45–12:30, 01:06:30–01:11:00)

• Eagleman’s Afterlife Stories: Excerpts from David Eagleman’s “Some” imagine afterlives in which people remain so long as they are remembered—and suffer when memory distorts their true selves.
• Organizations, Platoons, Legacies: Even groups and collectives can “die” and enjoy afterlives, persisting in memory.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “The afterlife is made of spirits. After all, you don’t bring your kidney or liver to the afterlife.” – Jeffrey Tambor reading Eagleman (01:09:15)

8. What Survives Us? Fossils & Knowledge (01:12:30–01:15:45)

• Jan Zalaszewicz on “Future Fossils”: When humans are long gone, some of our creations (concrete, plastics, paper in the form of “oblong coal”) may persist, but the knowledge, words, and music—the essence of our ideas—will likely be lost.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “So the ideas we produce, that I cannot see surviving us… Mozart, Goethe—the information will be lost forever.” – Jan Zalaszewicz (01:15:45)

9. Cyberternity: Messages from the Dead (01:16:00–01:22:45)

• Wyatt Ammon’s Letter: After Peace Corps volunteer Wyatt dies abroad, his family receives an email from him two years later, sent via a “Future Me” internet service. Wyatt’s mother describes the emotional impact, feeling as if a piece of him is still alive.
• Digital Afterlives: The hosts discuss new possibilities for “speaking from beyond the grave” via automated message services and Deathswitch.com.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “It was like a part of him was still alive.” – Jeanne Ammon (01:21:25)
• Double-Edged Sword: For some, digital traces are comforting; for others, like Wyatt’s friend Donald, they can be a painful reminder of stasis, not growth.

10. The Ultimate End: Cosmological Perspective (01:23:30–01:28:45)

• Peter Ward, Paleontologist: Zooming out to deep time, the hosts discuss the fate of Earth and the solar system. In several billion years, the sun will destroy the Earth, and eventually, even atoms will be torn apart as the universe expands.
• Quotable Moment:
  • “The last one, the sun just keeps expanding… and so the Earth is totally gone. I mean, it just gets snuffed out.” – Peter Ward (01:26:45)
  • “The only thing left is things like Voyager, things that you sent off that are still going…” – Peter Ward (01:28:10)

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “The last things I saw leave the bridge were my hands. And at that very moment, I said, Oh my God, this is a mistake.” – Ken Baldwin (52:30)
• “It’s not a medical diagnosis. It’s a diagnosis about love and loss.” – Gary Greenberg (27:30)
• “If you could recreate the brain out of, let’s say, beer cans and tennis balls… then that would be you.” – David Eagleman (01:02:10)
• “How would I know if I was dead?” – Jeannie (59:00)
• “It was like a part of him was still alive.” – Jeanne Ammon (01:21:25)
• “The afterlife is made of spirits… you don’t bring your kidney or your liver or your heart to the afterlife with you.” – Jeffrey Tambor (reading Eagleman) (01:09:15)

Timestamps of Major Segments

• 03:00 – 08:00: The 21-gram soul experiment
• 14:00 – 28:00: The evolving definitions of death and “brain death”
• 28:00 – 44:00: Awareness in vegetative states & fMRI tennis test
• 48:00 – 54:00: Ken Baldwin's near-death realignment
• 54:40 – 01:00:30: Cotard’s syndrome: “Am I dead?”
• 01:00:45 – 01:06:30: Digital immortality, mind uploading
• 01:06:30 – 01:11:00: Afterlife metaphors (Eagleman’s “Some”)
• 01:12:30 – 01:15:45: What survives: “future fossils” and lost ideas
• 01:16:00 – 01:22:45: Digital afterlives – Wyatt, FutureMe, Deathswitch.com
• 01:23:30 – 01:28:45: The cosmic end, the sun’s death, and our vanishing

Tone & Style

The episode dances between playful, speculative, and deeply moving. The hosts’ signature curiosity and sound design make heavy subjects inviting and even beautiful. Listeners are left with wonder, humility, and a new sense of death’s vast, mysterious frontier.

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