Radiolab: "Antibiotic Apocalypse" (March 27, 2026)

Overview

In this live episode of Radiolab, hosts Latif Nasser and Soren Wheeler, alongside ER physician/reporter Dr. Aver Mitra, take the audience on a gripping journey through the escalating global crisis of antibiotic resistance. From personal stories and live experiments to in-depth interviews with epidemiologists and the poultry industry, the episode explores why superbugs are winning the evolutionary race, how our agricultural practices fuel this threat, and whether there is hope—thanks to surprising new treatments and industry reforms.

Radiolab’s signature tone blends curiosity, humor, live audience engagement, and raw vulnerability as it tackles a subject critical to the future of medicine and modern life.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Human Cost of Resistance: Dr. Aver Mitra’s Personal and Clinical Lens

• Dr. Mitra’s Background & Personal Stakes

  • Origins in a family of doctors, initial reluctance to join the profession, and a formative research project with his father about a disturbing trend: infections, once treatable with standard antibiotics, were persisting. (05:00 – 08:15)
    • Notable Quote:
      Aver’s Dad: "I told you a thousand times that the difference between a large pizza and a musician. Which pizza? Large pizza fits a family." (06:02)
    • Early 2000s: Discovery that MRSA, once confined to hospitals, was cropping up in the community (“people coming in off the street who had, like, never been in a hospital”). (08:15 – 08:48)

• The Losing Arsenal

  • Progression from MRSA to vancomycin-resistant bacteria, then to carbapenem and colistin resistance—a shrinking arsenal with growing side effects. (09:44 – 10:16)
    • Notable Quote:
      Dr. Aver Mitra: “If we don’t have antibiotics, we’re not really doctors.” (10:47)

• Perspective Shift: “The Hundred-Year Bubble”

  • Medicine’s modern triumphs depend on antibiotics—a relatively recent bubble in human history. If it pops, we’ll revert to pre-penicillin mortality. (11:16 – 12:42)
    • Notable Quote:
      Dr. Mitra: “Everything we do is just based on kind of this idea...that’s the bubble.” (12:38)

2. The Personal Story: How Resistance Becomes Life and Death

• Stephanie Strathy & Tom’s Story
  • Infectious disease epidemiologist Stephanie Strathy recounts her healthy husband Tom’s brush with death after acquiring a drug-resistant bacterial infection while traveling. No antibiotic worked; a “wimpy” bacteria had become lethal. (13:17 – 16:12)
    • Notable Quotes:
      Stephanie Strathy: “I felt like it was God’s cruel joke that here I am...and a wimpy bacteria has acquired these superpowers and is now, like, killing my husband. How could this be?" (15:47) Stephanie: "How can an infection that you acquire on vacation...two days later, he’s fighting for his life?" (16:12)

3. Why Are Bacteria Winning? – The Evolutionary Arms Race

• Live Demonstration: Horizontal vs. Vertical Gene Transfer

  • Dr. Mitra leads a live experiment with audience members and glow sticks, showing how bacteria can spread genetic advantages (like resistance) far faster (via horizontal gene transfer) than humans evolve via reproduction (vertical gene transfer). (19:02 – 24:10)
    • Notable Quote:
      Dr. Mitra: “Our brains versus their sex pilus—and their sex pilus is winning, basically.” (25:08)

• Staggering Scale

  • "For every single human being on earth there are 30 trillion bacteria."
    • Soren Wheeler (to audience): “So what we’re up against is, like, terrifying numbers of blazingly fast and nimble, tiny little enemies.” (25:00 – 25:08)

4. Why Aren’t New Antibiotics Being Developed?

• Economic Reality

  • Drug companies invest billions, yet resistance can render new antibiotics obsolete in a few years—making it a financial “money losing proposition.” (25:47)

• Current Reality

  • One in six infections globally is already resistant to its first-line antibiotic; a million people die each year as a result. (26:25)

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5. The Role of Agriculture: Factory Farms as Resistance Incubators

• Antibiotic Use in Animals

  • 70% of US antibiotics go to animals, not humans—often given routinely to promote growth and prevent disease in industrial agriculture. (32:40 – 33:16)
    • Statistic: “Farm animals are given 30 million pounds of antibiotics every year… four times the amount humans get.” (32:46)

• Evidence from Poultry Farms

  • Infectious disease researcher Lance Price’s study: chicken catchers are 32 times more likely to carry resistant E.Coli than others—showing direct transmission from farm to people. (33:57 – 35:40)
    • Notable Quote:
      Lance Price: “If you’re an epidemiologist and you get three times the difference, you’re doing cartwheels… This was 32 times... the numbers were clean.” (35:25)
    • The resistant bacteria spread from chicken catchers through their families, schools, and even to people driving behind chicken trucks. (35:54)

6. Industry Reform: Turning the Tide—A Case Study

• Interview: Dr. Bruce Stewart Brown, Chief Medical Officer at Perdue Chicken

  • Chronicles Perdue’s journey to dramatically reduce antibiotic use, prompted by public pressure and leadership push. (37:25 – 41:29)
  • Changes included:
    • Cleaner eggs, animal byproduct-free and antibiotic-free feed, probiotics, improved housing (windows, exercise, perches), and less stress for chickens.
    • Results: By 2016, Perdue was antibiotic-free except for treating sick flocks. (42:54)

• Ethical Layer

  • Removing antibiotics forced better animal welfare; “antibiotics were sort of masking cruel treatment.” (43:47)
    • Notable Quote:
      Dr. Mitra: “If you treat [the animals] better, they're healthier, you're healthier. What we do to them comes back to us.” (44:04)

7. The (Experimental) Hope: Phage Therapy—Turning Offense On

• Facing the Worst: Tom’s Last Chance

  • When doctors wanted to “pull the plug,” Stephanie turned to PubMed, found historical references to “bacteriophage therapy”—viruses that naturally prey on bacteria and had been used prior to antibiotics (and still used in the former Soviet Union). (51:11 – 52:57)
    • Notable Explanation:
      Stephanie Strathy: “Bacteriophage are viruses that have naturally evolved to attack bacteria. They’re the oldest, most populous organism on the planet, and they kill bacteria.” (52:10)

• Race Against Time

  • Stephanie, her colleagues, and research labs across the globe sourced and matched phages from every possible waste stream (sewage, bilge, barnyards). In just 3 weeks, they had a custom phage cocktail. (54:11 – 54:58)
    • “Within hours of dying…he lifted his head off the pillow, opened his eyes, and kissed his daughter’s hand...It was the happiest day of our lives.” (55:28 – 56:10)
      (Stephanie Strathy)

• Why Does Phage Work? The “Synergy” Story

  • Phages can force bacteria to abandon their antibiotic defenses (like biofilm layers), making them vulnerable again—a “one-two punch.” (56:30 – 58:03)
    • Notable Quote:
      Stephanie Strathy: “When you use phage therapy...you've unresistanc-ed it. Now a bacterium can actually be newly susceptible to a drug that it was [resistant to].” (58:00 – 58:25)

• Phage Therapy: The Present and Future

  • Dedicated centers like UCSD’s iPATH are scaling these cures, but regulatory/awareness barriers remain; “phage is all the rage.” (58:40)

8. Reflections and Broader Perspective

• Dr. Mitra’s Takeaway
  • The war is not just “humans vs. bacteria,” but a complex, ancient ecological contest involving humans, animals, fungi (source of antibiotics), and viruses (phages).
    • “If anything, we’re just like the newest kid on the block.” (62:02 – 62:50)
  • Optimism in our relative newness and scientific promise:
    • “I don’t know; I just think there’s hope in that.” (62:56 – 63:10)

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Aver’s Dad (on career advice):
  “I told you a thousand times that the difference between a large pizza and a musician... Large pizza fits a family.” (06:02)
• Dr. Mitra (on the feeling of impotence):
  “If we don’t have antibiotics, we’re not really doctors.” (10:47)
• Stephanie Strathy (the personal shock of resistance):
  “A wimpy bacteria has acquired these superpowers and is now, like, killing my husband." (15:47)
• Dr. Mitra (why bacteria win):
  “Our brains versus their sex pilus and their sex pilus is winning, basically.” (25:08)
• Lance Price (on epidemiological significance):
  “If you're an epidemiologist and you get three times the difference, you're doing cartwheels down the hall... This was 32 times.” (35:25)
• Stephanie Strathy (on Tom's revival):
  “Within hours of dying…he lifted his head off the pillow, opened his eyes, and kissed his daughter's hand...It was the happiest day of our lives.” (55:28 – 56:10)
• Stephanie Strathy (on phage therapy’s mechanism):
  “When you use phage therapy...you've unresistanc-ed it. Now a bacterium can actually be newly susceptible to a drug that it was [resistant to].” (58:00 – 58:25)
• Tom, in recovery, on his near-death experience:
  “At that moment, I thought I was a snake…curling around her hand and squeezing. So that's what I did.” (63:41 – 66:07)

Timeline: Important Segments

• Personal Background / Setting the Stakes: (01:46 – 08:15)
• Rise of antibiotic resistance in Dr. Mitra’s career: (08:15 – 11:16)
• History and importance of antibiotics (“the bubble”): (11:16 – 12:42)
• Personal story of antibiotic failure (Stephanie & Tom): (13:17 – 16:12)
• Live experiment: Horizontal gene transfer: (19:01 – 24:10)
• Farm animals and antibiotic resistance: (32:18 – 35:54)
• Interview with Perdue Chicken leadership: (37:25 – 42:54)
• Phage therapy origin story and Tom’s recovery: (51:11 – 58:03)
• Scientific & emotional reflections: (61:21 – 63:10)
• Tom’s memory of the near-death moment: (63:30 – 66:07)

Closing Reflections

Dr. Mitra:
“In a weird way, I’m realizing we’re so young as a species, there's so much we don’t know... I just think there's hope in that.” (62:56 – 63:10)

The episode leaves the audience with a felt sense of the magnitude of the crisis, but also a roadmap for action—both systemic (agricultural reform), scientific (novel therapies like phages), and personal (antibiotic stewardship). Ultimately, it’s a story not just of war and evolution, but of the creative, stubborn, collaborative spark that defines humanity and our allies in the natural world.