Radiolab – "Pop Music" (April 21, 2008)
Host: WNYC Studios
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Episode Overview
In this engaging episode, Radiolab explores the mysterious phenomenon of "pop music" in our heads—why certain songs get stuck, where the music comes from, and how tunes can become "everybody's music" across cultures and continents. The hosts, Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, with contributions from Lulu Miller and guest reporters, weave through personal stories, neuroscience, the craft of songwriting, and the global migration of music, all while maintaining Radiolab’s signature blend of curiosity, humor, and innovative storytelling.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. The Music in Our Heads: From Ordinary Earworms to Musical Hallucinations
What Does It Sound Like Inside Our Heads?
- Jad and Robert open by reflecting on "earworms," songs stuck in your head in a vague, haunting way.
- Jad Abumrad:
“It just has a melody. A vague, foggy. Like a shadowy melody, right?” (03:46)
Leo Rangel’s Story: A Life Filled with Vivid Inner Music
- Introduced by Lulu Miller, 94-year-old psychoanalyst Leo Rangel describes waking from heart surgery to the sound of distant, loud, and persistent music, which felt completely real—only to realize it was coming from inside his mind.
- Leo Rangel:
“I am listening to me. I am listening to me.” (10:34)
- His experience included entire songs, lyrics and all, often with personal or symbolic meaning.
The Science of Musical Hallucinations
- Dr. Tim Griffith at Newcastle University scanned the brains of people like Leo:
- Brain scans of people hallucinating music and those actually hearing real music look “virtually identical.” (14:29)
- This confirms the hallucinations are a genuine perceptual experience, not mere imagination.
- Diana Deutsch, UC San Diego psychologist, details the intensity and impact:
“At the beginning... I thought it was going to take over my mind. It started interfering with sleep... But you’re never free. I thought I’d never sleep again.” (18:05)
Causes and Theories
- Musical hallucinations most commonly arise in those with hearing loss; as external sound fades, internal “backflow” of music from brain to ear becomes more pronounced.
- Dr. Tim Griffith:
“If you look at the pathway between the ears and the brain, probably about 70% of the fibers... go down. They go the other way, toward the ears.” (23:38)
- Dr. Tim Griffith:
- First-person accounts, such as Michael Chorost, reveal that regaining hearing with a cochlear implant can abruptly end these hallucinations, but not always.
The Role of Personal Meaning
- Dr. Oliver Sacks suggests the interplay between the disease and the self is crucial:
“The disease is reflecting something about the person in front of him. One sees interaction... between the self and a symptom.” (28:50)
- For Leo, every new song in his head becomes an opportunity for self-analysis and emotional connection, even comforting nostalgia:
“I found that when the song disappeared, I didn’t want it to disappear. It went from intruder to friend.” (37:54)
2. The Craft of Sticky Songs: The Songwriter’s Muse
Interview: Bob Dorough (Schoolhouse Rock!)
- Bob Dorough traces the roots of "catchiness" or "hookiness" in songwriting, recounting his assignment to put multiplication tables to music and swinging straight into “Three Is a Magic Number.”
- Key creative process:
"Do these things, like, when you hit the right one, do they, like, shout, I’m the one?... It identifies itself. Almost kind of like it feels like it suddenly has weight. Like it’s gonna—has weight and identity." (47:05)
The Origins of Musical Ideas
- Catchy tunes, or the “muse,” can feel like something “from hearing pop music” or the subconscious, even appearing during mundane activities.
- The anxiety of originality is ever-present:
“When you think of a melody, you say, am I stealing that? See, that's how mysterious this is.” (49:21)
3. When Songs Become Everybody’s Song: The Global Journey of “Downtown” & Country Music
Birth and Transformations of a Hit
- The story of “Downtown” by Tony Hatch (written after a walk through NYC, later internationalized by Petula Clark) illustrates how a song’s meaning and emotional resonance can morph across contexts, from joyous city anthem to haunting urban loneliness.
- Petula Clark:
“I was in the kitchen making tea when I first heard the music for Downtown. And I absolutely adored it.” (53:12)
Why Do Songs Like “Downtown” or Country Music Go Global?
- Not mere melodies, but their universal themes—migration, longing, nostalgia—speak to people everywhere.
- Aaron Fox, musicologist:
“The first answer is virtually always something along the lines of, it's the stories... which has to do with moving, with migration, and with regret. You're lonesome for something, and the thing you're missing is the old hometown, the green green grass of home.” (1:01:42)
- Vocal stylings and “the crying steel” of country music communicate emotion even across language barriers.
4. Everybody’s Music: From Afghanistan with Love
Gregory Warner’s Field Report from Afghanistan (01:08:00+)
- Reporter Gregory Warner recounts his surreal experience bringing an accordion to Afghanistan. He plays “Those Were the Days,” only for locals to insist it is an Afghan song; in reality, it became a famous Afghan hit after adaptation.
- Delves into the life and legend of Ahmad Zahir, a charismatic singer who “Afghanized” Western songs, turning them into the soundtrack for a cosmopolitan, hopeful 1970s Afghanistan.
- After Zahir’s death and years of war and Taliban musical bans, his songs remain on the radio—bringing back memories of “what Kabul used to be” and uniting people across generations and backgrounds.
“Ahmed Zahir reminds everybody of what Kabul used to be.” (01:20:47)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
On Musical Hallucinations:
- “It was gradually morphing into... eerie, ethereal music. Music of the spheres, really.” – Michael Chorost (25:33)
On the Craft of Pop Music:
- “Sometimes I get the melody, and then it's just sheer labor to make the word spit.” – Bob Dorough (48:00)
On Shared Human Longing in Music:
- “All over the world...where people are leaving from the country to the city...country is just as much Grenadian music as it is Kentucky music.” – Aaron Fox (1:05:39)
On the Power of Song Across Borders:
- “...as if I was reminding them [Afghans] of something they knew before me.” – Gregory Warner (01:21:24)
Timestamps for Important Segments
- [03:46] – The shadowy sound of earworms
- [10:34]–[14:29] – Leo’s musical hallucinations and scientific brain imaging
- [18:05] – Intense impact and persistence of musical hallucinations
- [23:38] – Neural pathways: Most sound fibers run from brain to ear
- [28:50] – Oliver Sacks on the “self and the symptom”
- [47:05] – Bob Dorough on “Three Is a Magic Number” and the nature of hooks
- [53:12] – Petula Clark’s “Downtown” becomes an international anthem
- [1:01:42] – Aaron Fox: Country music’s global emotional grammar
- [01:08:00] – Gregory Warner’s accordion journey in Afghanistan
- [01:20:47] – Ahmed Zahir as symbol of an old Afghanistan
Conclusion
“Pop Music” is a rich, warm, and thought-provoking journey through the music that haunts, delights, and unites us—from the insistent repetition in our minds to the astonishing migration of tunes and themes across global boundaries. Through science, personal stories, and cultural investigation, Radiolab reveals how the songs in our heads are deeply, sometimes inexplicably, intertwined with our brains, our pasts, and our collective human experience.