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ICE’s War Turns Deadly, Trump Seizes Oil Tankers, and RFK’s At It Again
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Podcast Host 1
If you get mad every time you pick up your phone and start scrolling, it's not just you.
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Aaron Parness
Rage bait is kind of the currency or the power that's behind a lot of the content we might see this.
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Podcast Host 1
Week on Explain it to me from Vox why the Internet is pissing you off on purpose. New episodes Sundays.
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Aaron Parness
Where?
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Podcast Host 1
Wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jessica Tarlov
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov and our Friday regular is back for 2026. We didn't let you go over the holiday. The one and only Aaron Parness. Aaron, happy New Year. How was your huge break?
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Aaron Parness
Happy New Year. It really wasn't much of a break.
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Jessica Tarlov
No, I. You are posting glass. I feel like you were relaxed a little bit.
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Aaron Parness
I was posting less because I actually didn't leave my couch for, I think it was like 10 straigh days. I didn't know what day it was half the time between like the day before Christmas and January 3rd. And then I decided to sleep in on January 3rd and then woke up to US bombing Venezuela. So then my break had an abrupt end very quickly.
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Jessica Tarlov
Yeah, okay, that's fair. I. I don't think that people expected that. That's what the weekend before you have to get back to work is going to be like, you know, thinking like Sunday scaries. And then you're like, oh, actually Maduro's in Brooklyn suddenly.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah. He's writing rap songs with Diddy.
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Jessica Tarlov
Yes. Some of the memes have been great. Like Diddy being like, what are you in for? And he's like, oil. And then Diddy's like, oil. Me too. Yeah, you know, except I don't really think it's about the oil.
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Aaron Parness
But yeah, it's a. It's a little. It's all crazy. Anyways, it's. Here we are.
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Jessica Tarlov
Happy New Year. Few things I wanted to chat with you about. First the fatal ice shooting in Minneapolis, then Trump's expansion ambitions around the world. That's the Madur chat, RFK Junior's vaccine pullback, and the latest on the Epstein investigation. So let's start in Minneapolis where an ice agent fatally shot, 37 year old Renee Nicole Good, a widow and mother with a young child. Federal officials are calling it self defense. Local leaders say that doesn't hold up with weeks of warnings about ICE activity. And Mayor Fry calling this a test of the, quote, endurance of our republic. This isn't just one tragic death. It really feels like a flashpoint over federal power, local authority and breakdown of trust. What are your top line thoughts on what happened? I know, I mean, we were texting and sending back and forth different angles on the car, the slowdown, you know, the fast forwards. What are your thoughts this morning?
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Aaron Parness
Yeah, I have a few thoughts. Number one, I think America has never been so divided when it comes to immigration enforcement, ever. I mean, truly, truly, ever. Because within minutes of the horrific shooting, people took sides immediately. And there was no like, middle ground. There was no, like, let's just see what happened. It was immediately one side saying one thing, one side saying the other thing. But to that end, one side had the responsibility of making sure all the facts were right before putting out a statement. And that was the federal government. Right. When the federal government releases a statement on an officer involved shooting, or in this case an ICE involved shooting, they have the responsibility to ensure that what they're putting out is factual and accurate. And the Department of Homeland Security's initial statement saying that this was domestic terrorism, that it was clearly self defense without having any iota of an investigation being conducted before all of the angles of the video were even released, that is irresponsible. And then for the President to come out and say that, oh, I'm so shocked that this ICE officer is barely surviving in a hospital and that he was, quote, run over by a vehicle when the video is clear as day, that none of that is actually true, that is also irresponsible. And I think that it just underscores kind of the lack of trust Americans have in government. And it is a flashpoint for where we are in the second Trump administration. I think for the first time, and I was hearing not just from Democrats yesterday, I was hearing from some Republicans yesterday who were like, what the hell is happening? Like, why was this ICE agent even there? Like, why was this ICE agent pulling out a weapon and firing multiple times into the vehicle? Like, even if you take, take that first shot out, right? Shot number two, three and four, if you look at it, the vehicle was not close to that officer. And so it was very, I mean it's, it's, it's a very tough day. It really is. Renee. Nicole. Good. Should be alive today. I mean, that is the, in my opinion, like the number one thing is that she should be alive today and she isn't.
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Jessica Tarlov
Well, also, she should be alive even if she was trying to drive into that ICE officer. I mean, that, that's the thing that I don't wanna say that is boggling my mind because I know exactly how we got here. Because this has happened a few times before even it happened in Chicago.
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Aaron Parness
Correct.
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Jessica Tarlov
And Kirsty Noem came out domestic terrorism. And guess what? All charges were dropped. And that American citizen was also allowed to walk free after a confrontation involving a vehicle and an ICE officer. But, you know, this officer did not comply with DOJ instructions, DHS instructions. I wanted to, in case our listeners haven't heard them, the policy is firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless one a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle or the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. And no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle, which was clearly an option because this ICE officer that Donald Trump said, you know, was clinging to his life in a hospital just walked away. Right. Like there's footage of him just coming down the street afterwards. And also I'm sure you've seen these videos too, before the confrontation with this ICE officer. Renee Nicole Good actually waves another ICE vehicle ahead of her. She wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere. She clearly wasn't thinking, oh, I'm just going to be polite to the ICE officers and then I'm going to go and kill one. And I'm curious to see. I don't want to say that there will be some level of accountability, but if they kind of back off of this one. Because I noticed that the statements that they were giving even to NBC News did not have the full throated defense of the officer that you would expect based on what Kristi Noem said out of the gate. And it feels like one of these situations where they're just going to try to fight it as a media war more than a literal war. Right. Like you turn it into the conversation about ICE officers are under attack. And there have been some horrific things done to law enforcement officers which are completely inexcusable. But that feels like a safer place for them to go than necessarily to be looking at the facts of this particular Case, which I should note, of course, are still evolving.
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Aaron Parness
Well, I think honestly, what this administration should have. And you're right, because if they wanted to win this argument honestly in the media, what they should have done from a PR perspective, they should have come out and said, we saw the horrific shooting, we saw the horrific video. We're going to conduct a full investigation and we'll have more information for you soon. If that's all they said, we'd be in a very different place today because I think, I mean, you have to investigate this. You, you can't just say immediately it was self defense. You can't do that. And looking at the video, I mean, there were a couple of things that really stood out to me. Number one, if you look at where her tires were turning, her tires were turned to the right. Right. Like they weren't, they weren't straight. They were turning away from the officer. That was number one. Number two, and I think the most important part of the video that not many people are talking about, when you look at it in slow mo, the officer actually takes the gun out of the holster before the vehicle is moving forward. So the vehicle is going backwards, comes to a bit of a stop, and at that moment the officer takes the gun out of the holster. So it's even before the vehicle is actually moving forward. And the time that the officer took to remove the gun from the holster could have been to just step a foot to the left or to the right and just to move out of the way. And that didn't happen. And I don't know, I mean, I really do think this is a flashpoint for ice. ICE shouldn't have been on the ground. I'm going to be honest with you, in my opinion, like that. I think these ICE raids across America, we've seen complete overkill. They're not going after the worst of the worst. They're not going after criminals. ICE probably shouldn't have been there that day. If ICE wasn't there that day, she'd be alive today. And that's kind of where, where I go at the end of the day.
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Jessica Tarlov
Yeah. I also think it's important, of course, the angle of the tires matter. The time it took to take out the gun, you could have moved out of the way. You could also take it out of the gun and shot the tires. Yeah, right. And just like stopped her. And then if you needed to arrest her, have a conversation, it didn't seem like she was doing anything that would have been arrestable.
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Aaron Parness
I don't know if you Saw the Atlantic article that came out today. But ICE agents only get 47 days of training under this administration. Right. 47 days of training.
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Jessica Tarlov
Isn't that cute for our 47th president.
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Aaron Parness
Right. 47 days of training. Many of them, they're just picking people off, literally off the streets and like saying, hey, you're deputized as an ICE agent. So, like, we have to have a serious conversation. Who was this person?
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Jessica Tarlov
I just want to add one thing before we move on to talk about Venezuela and maybe taking Greenland by force. You know, there were multiple shots involved in this. And you point out, like the first one through the windshield, let's say that that's the one that you could think maybe there would. He felt endangered from that, right. As the car was moving, at least facing in his direction. But she was also shot at a 90 degree angle through the window. And it's part of your training and it's also part of common sense, if you're not trying to just kill people, that you reevaluate between each shot. So there's a scenario in which I think you have the one shot through the front of the windshield and then that's the end of it. Yeah, I mean, and that visual from the side into her car with the stuffed animals in her glove compartment. Right. And then I'm sure you saw the video as well of the citizen by the side of the road who's a physician, saying, can I go over there and check her pulse, try to help her in any way. And the ICE agent is basically just like, fuck off. Like, no, you know, we're dealing with it.
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Aaron Parness
Well, I think, I mean, I've been involved in numerous murder cases, not as a witness or a murderer, but as an attorney. And what differentiates oftentimes, like the levels of murder and like the levels of culpability is kind of that premeditation which you're thinking about. And in this case, to me, like, even. And I don't think the first shot was justified in any means. I'm going to preface this. Even if you say that first shot was justified, shot 2, 3 and 4 were not justified. And that is, that is evidence of premeditation right there. So, I mean, it's just all bad for this officer, and I mean, justifiably so. He should not have pulled out his gun.
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Jessica Tarlov
Do you think that ice just continues at this clip? You know, J.D. vance sat down with Jesse Watters last night. He's basically indicating, you know, it's all a go, and even mentioned that they're going to Be going door to door. Obviously, Stephen Miller is on a warpath on multiple fronts, or do you think that this is the kind of thing that can get into the national consciousness enough that something might change?
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Aaron Parness
If you asked me during Trump 1, I would say something would change. During Biden, something would change. But during Trump 2, these people are emboldened, more so than I think I've ever seen. I wouldn't be surprised if they double down, triple down, and go even harder after this. Right. Like, I. I think what Trump wants here is mass protests on the streets in Minneapolis, buildings being burned, like that's what he wants.
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Jessica Tarlov
So he can go full crackdown.
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Aaron Parness
So he can go full crackdown.
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Jessica Tarlov
Yeah.
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Aaron Parness
That is what he wants here.
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Jessica Tarlov
Beautiful. So I'll go cry about that. So, just talking about federal overreach at home, let's turn to how we're overstepping abroad. Trump administration turning up the pressure worldwide, seizing Venezuelan oil tankers, issuing hard demands to Caracas, floating military options over Greenland, and backing new Russia sanctions.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
Do you think that there's any coherence to the foreign policy that's going on? I mean, there is now the Don Row Doctrine. Right. That's out there. I just interviewed Ian Bremmer for Prof. Gcom conversations in his company. His organization, the Eurasia Group, does their top risks report every year. And the Don Rowe doctrine is number three on the list, number one, U.S. political revolution. And those two of things are kind of going together. But do you. What do you think is going on here? Is there any coherence to it?
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Aaron Parness
So I think that it's a hot take, but I think there's coherence in the incoherence. I think that's kind of the best way I would describe it. Trump's foreign policy agenda is chaos. And I actually was talking to someone like a foreign policy expert the other day who told me that in some respects, it works on the international stage, because what's the best way to get authoritarians and dictators kind of on their heels is chaos. When they don't know what the United States next move is, they don't know how to act, and they don't know how to react. So in that sense, I think there is some coherence. But then what we're seeing right now is not just against America's adversaries, it's also with America's allies, like with Greenland and Denmark and NATO. And I think there, it's in this kind of intentional effort to break apart the west, which doesn't really make much sense. To me, because you're also, at the same time going after, theoretically, our adversaries, like China, like Russia. Because at the end of the day, what happened in Venezuela, yes, it was about oil, but it was also about reducing Chinese and Russian influence in the region. I mean, that's a big part of it as well.
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Jessica Tarlov
And Iranian.
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Aaron Parness
And Iranian. So you're going after America's adversaries while also alienating America's allies. And at a point, we're going to need friends on the world stage, and right now we don't have many. And so that. That's concerning to me.
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Jessica Tarlov
Yeah, it's interesting, the timing of it. I feel like he kind of is subscribing to the Veruca Salt approach of foreign policy. Like, daddy, I want it and I want it now. Like, I'm surprised he could even wait the few days for the weather to change in Venezuela so that they could pull off this mission, which was an incredible military feat. I have to obviously give them their flowers.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
But I'm concerned about moving into this realm of seizing the oil tankers that are getting Russian escorts, for instance. So that a indicates, like, it's not just about the oil. And we know that there are, you know, drone manufacturing capabilities going on in Venezuela that belong to the Iranians, the mining for rare earth metals, etc. But that feels like we could be getting into several mini wars. I don't know what the right conflicts or I don't know what the right term for it is, but, yeah, when you have Pete Hegseth, like, amped up, right. And everyone is, you know, watching an oil tanker, a live feed of an oil tanker, you know, sifting through, and then Americans are being dropped on board, that feels like we are moving to a new phase of whatever this chaos agent has in store for us.
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Aaron Parness
Oh, for sure. But I want to know what the hell was on that oil tanker, because I know, right? There was no oil, right?
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Jessica Tarlov
No.
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Aaron Parness
Not a single barrel of oil, was there? It was a rusted old ship. What was on that boat that the United States wanted so desperately? I think that's American. People need to know. I will say I think I don't know how much this is going to lead to actual conflicts with legitimate states. Right. Like, I don't see us going to war with Russia or China anytime soon, but I totally envision the United States acting in Mexico targeting cartels before the end of Trump's term. I would not be surprised if we conduct airstrikes in Mexico. Is that a conflict against Mexico? I Don't know.
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Jessica Tarlov
It's more like the narco US versus the narco state versus US versus Claudia Sheinbaum.
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Aaron Parness
Exactly. That's kind of what I see happening. Same thing with. Even in Iran. I mean, the United States bombing Iranian. During the Iranian protests is going after kind of the regime rather than the state itself, itself, if that makes sense. But I see those types of conflicts kind of on the rise. Same thing with Cuba. I wouldn't be surprised if Nicaragua's next. Colombia, I mean, all of these countries, the United States, I think, for the first time in a long time, I mean, really first time since Bush, we have a president now willing to use the military to kind of get what he wants abroad. And at the end of the day, the United States military is the most powerful military in the world. So a lot of these countries really have no choice in these respects. But it is destabilizing the world order. Very, very f. Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
And there's, I think, a difference between complaining about NATO and being willing to blow NATO up, which, if there were any advances into Greenland, that's exactly what that would do. I mean, the premier of Greenland has said that. The prime minister of Denmark has said that. And it does fall perfectly into the hands of Putin, who would love nothing more than a completely destabilized, let alone shattered, NATO, as he's, you know, sending drones into Poland, you know, doing whatever it is that he wants, frankly, in the region, even beyond his advances through Ukraine. And that's something that's really concerning to me. And the timing of that transition or that kind of thinking is strange to me because I have felt like Naito or the NATO leaders have finally figured out how to deal with Trump.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
You know, like calling him daddy and thanking him for everything. Those are the kinds of things that matter to Donald Trump. Right. That he feels adored and adulated and that they think that he's so powerful and on the right side of history, et cetera. And so the timing of this just feels strange against that backdrop, like he was being invited to the party, and now he's like, actually, no, no, I. I want to go to a different party, or I want to have a party by myself with Viktor Orban or whoever.
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Aaron Parness
I will say, I think if by the end of the year, NATO awards the NATO Peace Prize, the inaugural NATO Peace Prize to Donald Trump.
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Jessica Tarlov
Is that as good as the FIFA Peace Prize or. It's better.
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Aaron Parness
Better countries would have to sign on or something. I think Donald Trump, they'd be in a much better position with the president and that is a very sad state of affairs because I really think he holds his grudge against NATO because he thinks that Norway refused to award him the Nobel Peace Prize when it's not the Norwegian government that controls the Nobel Peace Prize. But he doesn't, in his head, doesn't understand that. And so I think he's taking out on all of Europe the fact that he did not get this Nobel Prize. That is really it. Because he wants to be like Obama at the end of the day.
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Jessica Tarlov
Don't we all? And poor Maria Murtado is like sitting and hiding somewhere having a grovel, Right?
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Aaron Parness
Yeah, Literally, if she overnighted the peace price at the White House, maybe.
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Jessica Tarlov
Oh, my God. And he can put it up in his swag room. Yeah, in his swag room with his Trump 2028 hats.
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Aaron Parness
Oh, crazy.
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Jessica Tarlov
Next to the auto pan portrait, perhaps. All right, let's take a quick break. Stay with us.
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Jessica Tarlov
Welcome back. RFK Jr. Is under fire. What's new? After saying it might be a, quote, better thing if fewer kids got the flu shot, comments that come as the CDC dramatically scales Back routine childhood vaccine recommendations. Doctors are warning it could weaken one of the core pillars of public health, put more kids at risk. I also want to throw in that there took meningitis off the vaccine schedule. They're saying, well, like, no kids are getting it anymore. It's like, well, yeah, because there's a vaccine for it. What is your read on the latest in, I guess the establishment being upset about RFK Jr. But not upset enough to do anything about it?
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Aaron Parness
I mean, you act like that's like something new. Yeah, I mean, like everything. They're upset about everything. They're deeply concerned. Susan Collins is so concerned. Will they ever act on anything? No. Bill Cassidy so concerned that I'm going to vote, I'm going to vote to allow him to be Secretary of Health and Human Services. I will say it's funny. Every time RFK Jr. Or the health and Human Services comes out with new guidance on anything, I like calling my doctor and I'm just like, hey, what's your guidance? And every single time it's like, don't listen to what they're saying. Yeah, my wife's doctors too. Every single time, no matter what they're like, don't listen to what the government is saying. And that is actually bonkers to me that we have doctors across America refuting what the Department of Health and Human Services saying because of how crazy HHS is today?
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Jessica Tarlov
Well, one element of it that I think is getting not enough attention is when these vaccines come off the regular schedule, they're going to become more expensive to get. Right. Like, there's a reason that things are covered at certain prices because they're mandated. And so a lot of people who might want to get vaccinated but don't have enough money to be going out of pocket for these things are going to end up with fucking measles and meningitis or whatever, you know?
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
And you never hear about it. Like we're having this whole health care debate with the ACA subsidies that went away and I realized maybe there'll be some bill about the two year extension. But at this particular moment, people are staring down, you know, 400% increases.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
And then you think the government is making it their business to cover less, not more of the things that make Americans healthy.
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Aaron Parness
Well, in just three weeks, America is going to lose its measles elimination status because of the amount of measles cases. I mean, unless measles just goes away, which it won't happen, we're going to lose that. I also spoke speaking to A friend yesterday who texted me, he's like, I'm under three blankets. I'm dying. This flu is the worst thing I've ever had. And I was like, well, are you vaxxed? Like, did you just get the flu vaccine? He's like, no, no. I listened to RFK Jr. And I'm like, okay, well, now you're stuck under three blankets with the worst flu in recent memory. Yeah, I just. I don't understand it. Like, these things are meant to protect you and help you. I got the flu vaccine, and I didn't get the flu, and I'm happy for it.
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Jessica Tarlov
So, yeah, stay vaxxed. Stay vaxx, babes. We're very pro vax in my house, too.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
Last thing I wanted to check in with you about what's going on with the Epstein files. House Oversight Committee ramping up, subpoenaing billionaire Less Wexner and others tied to Epstein's finances, even as the DOJ struggles to release millions of documents. I just saw in the times that 125of200AUSA is at SDNY are completely committed to working on the Epstein files at this point. And they have, you know, they find a new million documents, it seems like, on a daily basis. But you have been doing great work with your fantastic relationships with so many of Epstein's victims and survivors. What are you. What do you think is the latest, most important information for our listeners?
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Aaron Parness
Yeah, the most important thing is that not enough is happening. It is shocking, shocking that Congress, Democrats, Republicans, anyone, didn't have a plan in place for when Trump was going to break the law. Like, we all knew Trump was going to break this law. And now it's like, oh, we'll consider contempt, we'll consider hearings. Yeah, we have these subpoenas. Okay, great. Name me the last time a subpoena was enforced after someone didn't abide by it in Congress, it just doesn't happen anymore.
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Jessica Tarlov
No. See Bannon for, like, 20 minutes.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah, exactly. The fact that there was no plan for the day after is really concerning to a lot of survivors, and it's really concerning. Just generally. Where I'm looking forward to now is there are pushes within the Congress and within the survivor community to get to the Department of Justice's inspector general to conduct an audit of the Epstein files. And also of just generally how it's all been handled. And what I want to see happen, which I don't know it will happen or not, is for the survivors directly to go to Judge Berman in the Southern District of New York and say, you know what? The Trump administration isn't abiding by your court order, hold them in contempt or appoint a special master of some sorts to review the documents instead of the Trump administration. You said under 20 SDNY AUSAs are working on it. Between Epstein files and the Maduro case. That's more than half your office, because that Maduro case has more files than the Epstein case. Just letting you know. And so it's, It's a massive, massive ordeal. And the fact that this wasn't already done is a major problem. So I don't know where things go next. I mean, these subpoenas are great, but at this point, what incentive does Trump have to even release the files?
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Jessica Tarlov
Like, well, clearly none.
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Aaron Parness
None. Like he can just delay, delay, delay until he leaves office and then he'll be on his deathbed in 10 years. Like it. Whatever.
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Jessica Tarlov
Well, yeah, whatever. To Trump about this, it does seem like Massie is not giving up on the Republican side. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fly in their ointment Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to be now that she is outside of Congress, but still, you know, dedicated to this.
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Aaron Parness
But she should have stayed.
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Jessica Tarlov
Oh, and just continue to.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
Like, vote against.
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Aaron Parness
What power does she have?
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Jessica Tarlov
I don't know. But, like, who knows what's going on with her? Like, actually. Yeah.
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Aaron Parness
I mean, at least stay until the end of the term. Like, be the swing vote for the next 10 months.
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Jessica Tarlov
Yeah. No, it. You can be remembered if you are really dedicated to changing the way politics is done. You know, John McCain, for people who are not even, like, massive fans of his, obviously respecting his service. You know, people remember his Obamacare vote.
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Aaron Parness
Yeah.
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Jessica Tarlov
And that's something that you can look back on. So, Marge, I don't know why you did this to us. I guess I wish you had stayed, which I don't even know if I really mean, but I take your point on it. With an issue like this, I'm sure the survivors would rather that she be a voice that actually has a vote than someone who's just on the outside 100%. Okay, quickly, anything that's making you rage. Something we should calm down about, or you want to wait till next week to build up some back to school rage?
- [27:09]
Aaron Parness
You know, you know, it's actually making me rage. The fact that we've had more mass shootings than days in the year in 2026. Like, it's a good one already. We're eight days in and nine mass shootings. And what people should calm down about. There's nothing that people should calm down about right now. I'm going to be honest with you. Like, I'm just, like, I'm furious all around. Like, people need to make their voices heard in this moment. This isn't a time to just, like, chill right now.
- [27:33]
Jessica Tarlov
Well, that's a departure for you because usually you have some Zen to you. So 2026. Aaron's hair is on fire.
- [27:40]
Aaron Parness
Let's hope it doesn't burn too much. Otherwise I'll start looking like Scott.
- [27:43]
Jessica Tarlov
It's not that bad, but, yeah, you need a few more years with your hair, for sure.
- [27:48]
Aaron Parness
Correct.
- [27:49]
Jessica Tarlov
Aaron, it was great to see you. I'll see you next week.
- [27:51]
Aaron Parness
See you next week.