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Scott Galloway
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Jessica Tarleff
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Jessica Tarleff
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Jessica Tarleff
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Jessica Tarleff
think of someone with ADHD, who comes to mind?
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Scott Galloway
Is it a woman in her 30s?
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Jessica Tarleff
Just this constant feeling of being too much, you know, too kinetic, too loud, all of the. Too anything. And just really feeling like people got some kind of social rule book that I never got.
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Scott Galloway
The Changing Face of adhd.
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Jessica Tarleff
That's this week on Explain It To Me New episodes Sundays. Wherever you get your podcasts.
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Scott Galloway
AI can Fix Healthcare. I'm Henry Blodgett and this week on my show Solutions, I had a fascinating conversation with Dr. Bob Wachter, author of A Giant How AI is Transforming Healthcare and what It Means for our future. Dr. Wachter was not expecting to be an AI optimist. What convinced him? Follow Solutions with Henry Blodgett wherever you get your podcasts. To hear more foreign. Raging Moderates, I'm Scott Galloway.
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Jessica Tarleff
And I'm Jessica Tarleff.
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Scott Galloway
In today's episode of Raging Moderates, we're discussing how the war will impact your wallet, plus Pam Bondi's subpoena and whether Trump is taking us to war to cover up Epstein. If you haven't already, please subscribe to our YouTube page to get up to date coverage on everything that's happening.
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Jessica Tarleff
We got a little bit of breaking news after Scott and I recorded this morning. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem has just been fired by President Trump. This is his first firing of a cabinet secretary. We've been waiting a long time to see something like this, and it finally came. It was due to the fact that when she was testifying before the Senate a couple of days ago, Senator Kennedy was pushing her on the $220 million that she spent on ad campaigns, in his words, to promote herself. Very effective at that. And she said that President Trump had authorized it. And it turns out that that was not the case. Or at least that's the story he's going with at this point. I mean, to me it puts the President in a terr awkward spot rumors are Mark Wayne Mullen, who's a junior senator from Oklahoma, will be Trump's pick to replace her as DHS secretary. I've already seen that John Federman is going to be voting. I that doesn't surprise me at all about John Federman at this point, but it's a major shakeup. Big repudiation. Also the way that immigration enforcement has been being conducted. But anyway, breaking news update. Now back to my conversation with Scott.
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Scott Galloway
The Senate just voted down an effort to rein in Trump's war powers, essentially giving him the green light to continue the fight in Iran. The House is expected to follow. At the same time, Trump says he grades the war a 15 out of 10 even as American troops have been killed, gas prices are rising and the Pentagon warns the conflict has only just begun. And while Congress debates strategy, there are reports Susie Wiles is panicking inside the White House about the top issues on voters minds, affordability. She's scrambling for ways to bring down gas prices as the war drives energy markets higher. Democrats, meanwhile, are still searching for a clear message. There are calls for briefings and oversight, but no unified, forceful stance on the war itself. And that vacuum is starting to show. A Marine veteran, Brian McGinnis, interrupted a Senate hearing to protest the war and was forcibly removed by police and Republican Senator Tim Sheehy. McGinnis now faces charges. No. 1 what's the fight for Israel?
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Kara Swisher
His hand, his hand.
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Scott Galloway
Oh, his hand.
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Jessica Tarleff
Let go of your. It's rough stuff to watch, especially looking at him in uniform. The message is also rough. What he's yelling, you know, no one wants to to fight for Israel. And that is a pervasive sentiment certainly amongst a certain part of the MAGA base and definitely a big subsection of the left. I it feels like the administration is getting more incoherent on this war as each day passes. They have too many messengers and not a good enough message. I think the tone deafness of President Trump saying he grades this war a 15 out of 10 when we already have 6 dead service members is really tough to bear. And I'm not sure if you saw this exchange, but Pete Hegseth in the morning said that the press is obsessed with the things that have gone wrong, like six dead American soldiers just to make President Trump look bad. And then Caroline Levitt doubled down on it during the press briefing. And I said yesterday on the five go back to the Afghanistan withdrawal under President Biden, which everybody agreed was a complete disaster. It was front page news, as it should have been that 13 service members passed away, and Pete Hegseth, amongst others, were out front banging that drum that the Commander in Chief needs to lead with empathy and understanding for the gravity of what's gone on here. Yes, people sign up to potentially sacrifice their lives, but when it actually happens, they should be honored. And you saw that from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, but you did not see that from our Secretary of Defense. So I think we're in a really tough spot. The money of it matters. We're spending a billion dollars a day. We have to spend $4 million for each of these missiles to knock out $20,000 Russian drones. And I know that you're going to want to talk about this aspect of it. The fact that we had to call in the Ukrainians to help us out when we've deprived them of the Tomahawk missiles that would have taken out the Russian drone factories that they're then supplying to the Iranians is. What's the right term for that? It's like poetic justice in some way. Is that right? I don't know.
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Scott Galloway
It's ironic.
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Jessica Tarleff
It is ironic, to say the least. And I love that Zelensky, you know, their drop of a hat, I will help you, absolutely. Even though we have ignored his requests, denied his requests, and continue to waffle on the conflict, the existential conflict that the Ukrainians are in.
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Scott Galloway
Yeah, there's. I think the President could have made a really solid case to Congress, which he should have done, and tried to pursue an authorization for the use of military force, which is how we have typically gone to war, if you will. We never get a declaration of war from Congress. And I think it would have been so much more powerful if he'd gotten just a few European nations or Gulf nations. And I think he could have to support very clear objectives around. We have a moment in time where their air defenses are down to go in and take out their navy, secure the Straits of Hormuz, make sure that we have minesweepers there, diminish their capacity to produce armaments and missiles which only wreak terror and havoc in the region and severely decapitate leadership there. And here are the objectives. I think he might have been able to get congressional approval, allies on board. But the messaging here has been so inconsistent. Republican senators are calling it special operations, combat operation. He's calling it war. We're going to be there. It's going to be regime change. No, it's not going to be regime change. This could be over in five days. We'll stay as long as we need to. Very Difficult for them to outline or for people to say, what are the clear objectives here? So the messaging has been totally incompetent. There's evidence that confidence matters. And when you put a news show host as Secretary of Defense, that things like forgetting how to get thousands or tens of thousands of Americans and Westerners out of the region safely, like they never thought that through, that potentially bombing Tehran is not the way to go, where there's more people sympathetic to the west that they should be focusing on the munitions factories and rural areas where there's more theocracy and more support for the regime. This is just a shit show in terms of messaging. And people talk about the markets. The real danger here, the markets are basically telling us this war is going to be ring fenced and over pretty soon. And gas is up or oil is up 10%, that'll translate to about a 25 cent per gallon increase. But for the most part, the markets are pretty much yawning. The problem here, or the real damage is long term. And that is the world used to operate on the American operating system. Our laws, we settled trades in dollars, we protected the shipping lanes that transferred the energy. Our 700 military bases overseas enforced. The people sort of played by certain rules. We just torpedoed a ship. It's the first time a torpedo has sunk a maritime ship in international waters since World War II. And we used to be the nation protecting others from rogue nations, and now we are the rogue nation. Now we are the knock at the door because of this inconsistency and inability to explain our actions and to go about them unilaterally, which I think is the real tragedy. I think there was real legitimacy for why to do this and why to do it now. But he's undermined any basic notion that the Trump administration are the people to execute this operation because of what it just feels like incompetence around messaging and some tactics. So it's very partisan. It's like 71% of Republicans are in favor of it, but only 17% of progressives. And then the more indicative, probably honest answer is from the independents. And I think that's more like 30, 70. So America doesn't like this. And what could even be worse is that we look weak. And that is if we pick up and get out and come up with fake excuses or fake objectives and just hightail it out of there. I think that's even worse for us because any nation that's worried about our military just starts pointing their missiles at their neighbors and says, let's fire up the Albanian troll farms to put pressure on the presidency. So he's backed us into a corner with a lack of preparation, a lack of competence, really inconsistent messaging, and what, in my view, could have been handled much differently. It's not the war itself that is hurting Trump. It's the fact that they have executed it so poorly and that they decided to go at it alone and we are now that rogue nation.
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Jessica Tarleff
The execution going poorly, or that argument, apparently, in actual targets that have been taken out, et cetera, it has gone well. There isn't a level of effectiveness to this which you would expect if it's the American military and the Israelis and all of our Gulf partners. The problem is more to your point about the lack of preparation and then the what next and the follow through to that. And there's been reporting that Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth are fighting internally about the boots on the ground element, where Rubio does not want that to be the case. And Pete Hegstaff is all for it. You know, just finish the job no matter what. And to have that kind of internal feuding with people in those levels of positions, you're not talking about, like Rando staffers having a disagreement. Right. You're talking about the two guys besides the president who need to be on the same page of that. And there is nothing that is going to matter more to the American public than whether American men and women are going to die for this. And it also feeds the flames of the argument over how much of the timing was based on Israel's schedule versus our schedule. And I think you nailed it in pointing out the fact that there are tens of thousands of Americans or Westerners that are left sitting in hotels, apartments with no way to get out of there. Private jet Travel costs like $250,000 to get out. And I saw that also people are taking their pets because they don't think that they're ever going to be able to go back. Right. This isn't a you can leave for two weeks and then you can come home. The president himself had to tweet out information of where to call in the State Department because people were essentially getting a wrong number when they were calling in to get help. So it feels absolutely disastrous on that level. And that this is the group of people that, rather than admit that something went badly or change course, will just dig in. And it has such a astronomical consequences, right. To. To be the people, like the Roy Cohn analogy that you were using the other day when we were talking about this. So I'm I'm pretty bummed about it. And the Democrats are facing a challenge. There's going to be a request for another $50 billion in funding. A few of the Democrats, including, like Jack Reed, said that they're open to it. Mark Kelly, a veteran himself, is saying, I would need to know more than we do right now if you're going to authorize this amount of money. But I know, especially for the veteran community like Alyssa Slotkin, Ruben Gallego, that they feel conflicted about it because our men and women are over there, whether we like it or not at this point. And we are going to come to a time where we run out of munitions and that's happening way faster than we expected. What do you think the Democrats should do in this?
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Scott Galloway
Look, I think that the reason we have a Democratic government is such that each of the representatives has a say and people feel as if they have a say on big issues like war. And the president is allowed to unilaterally respond when he feels that we're under threat and it's a defensive action. And because they recognize that they had declared war when they're not allowed to without consulting or getting a vote from Congress, they immediately tried to couch it as a defensive move, which resulted in what has been the greatest error to date in this war. And that was Senator Rubio claiming that an attack from Iran was imminent on one of our allies and we were going to have to respond, so we might as well respond now. That is basically saying, oh, conspiracy theorists on the far right and the far left, you're right, the 2% of the population in America that is Jewish controls everything, including our military and our decisions. It was just a stupid. I don't doubt that Bibi Netanyahu has the president's ear and has a lot of influence over him, but basically they said that Israel's actions are now dictating what the largest military in the world does. And by the way, we'll bypass Congress. We're more concerned with Israel's actions. A, I don't think that's true, but B, it just, it makes them look weak. And hands down, in my opinion, the biggest error. And he tried to walk back those comments the next day. In terms of what Democrats do, I wouldn't take the argument of I wouldn't even go to, I wouldn't even discuss whether or not this is a good or a bad idea. I'd go straight to do we have a democracy or not? You know, Senator Warner, the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has had a lot of presidents and heads of CIA come in front of him. He's very thoughtful and smart and can provide really great feedback. You want to consult with Senator Kelly, who has flown these missions. You want to consult with Admiral Stavridis around naval power. And what is so obvious is that the degradation in thoughtful input and the wisdom of crowds and the belief and the arrogance that they are can go about this alone, unilaterally, and make good decisions without the benefit of our allies, without the benefit of input from people who are very smart and experienced. Here is a level of arrogance that ultimately pops up and gets you. The other thing, and I'm curious if you saw this. The most disturbing piece of news I've seen in the last 48 hours is that so many senior ranking officials in our military have been replaced with what effectively are white Christian nationalists, that there is rhetoric in meetings, command meetings, planning meetings, of people saying our president is ordained by Jesus and falling into this weird white Christian nationalist, fucking crazy line of thinking that we have to protect the Israelis at all costs, because when the rapture comes, Jesus comes down to Israel, and then the Israelis get to decide, the Jews get to decide if they want to convert or die in the final apocalypse, and that Donald Trump
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Jessica Tarleff
is a divine being himself.
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Scott Galloway
So let me get this. Now we're the mullahs, we're the theocracy.
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Jessica Tarleff
Totally. We're the religious lunatics.
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Scott Galloway
Yeah. So wait, let me get this. We're batshit crazy. Now, I read that and I thought, oh, my gosh, is that. That can't be true. And now there are multiple reports that these fucking wingnuts are saying this shit in front of their troops. So the messaging has been inconsistent. You're probably right. The tactics so far, I mean, six servicemen dying or service people dying, I think it's been four men and two women. It's a tragedy. I don't in any way want to be callous about this, but when you declare war, and this is war, people are going to die, and 10 service people a week kill themselves. There's a larger discussion around the way we acquit ourselves. I have found, generally speaking, when we call people heroes, whether it's teachers or nurses or. Or military, that means we're about to fuck them and not pay them, and we're not going to give them their benefits. We never call CEOs heroes. We never call people making their fair share, getting correct compensation, being treated with dignity heroes. When you're called a hero in a Super bowl commercial, that means you're getting fucked and so I don't. It's like, okay, yeah, they're heroes. We should honor them. It is a tragedy for them and their families in an all volunteer army when you're going to declare war on a nation of 93 million people and 150,000 members of the IRGC. Yeah, there's going to be deaths. I'm shocked there haven't been more quite frankly.
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Jessica Tarleff
So this is, I think that why people are also focusing on what happened to these six service members is that their deaths were completely preventable. They were in a makeshift office structure that had six foot walls around it but nothing on top of. So because of the kinds of drones that were coming, they were able to be killed. And it was another notch in the argument that we were not prepared to be doing this and that we started this war too early and weren't protecting our own people. But yes, of course. And I do like that about the nurses especially I mean during COVID as I was outside with my pots and pans, right. Cheering for all the essential workers who were exposing themselves to a horrible disease that was killing millions of people across the world. And I didn't have to do anything about it. So 100. But I'm so glad that you brought up this crazy rapture stuff because if you take a look at the preachers and pastors that people in high positions of leadership in this government subscribe to go to, you know, go to their services, you would think you were watching a documentary on Christian nationalism in this country and nobody talks about it. It was barely a blip that people who were controlling huge government social media accounts like DHS and the Department of Labor were posting white nationalists memes and rhetoric, Nazi stuff. It is a huge problem. And the percentage of young people, especially young men in the Republican Party like the Gen Z faction that are white nationalists, they work in elected officials offices. You know, they're not out on the fringes just listening to Nick Fuentes and hanging out with one another. They're part of the party infrastructure. So I'm glad you brought it up because I'm always weirded out by the photos of people like praying around Donald Trump and all of that. But this is like taking it to another level, especially when you're sending people potentially to die.
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Scott Galloway
And the best performing organization in history, I would argue is the US military, at least the last 80 years. Combination of technology, culture, sacrificed courage and key to that or one of the keys to that and one of the really exciting or wonderful things about the military is it's been the great equalizer. And that is there's nothing like being in a foxhole with someone and having bullets fly over your head where you just don't give a shit any longer how rich their dad is, the color of their skin, their sexual orientation or their religion. And it's meant to be a place where they say, okay, we kind of have one religion here and that's the defense of the United States of America. And they purposely, I think, try to be pretty secular and say, I mean it's been the military's played a huge role in the advancement of non whites and immigrants. Immigrants. And it's because it's supposed to be about character and performance. And I think a key component of that is to saying, look, you have the right. Do you remember there was even a controversy? Airline pilots were not allowed to wear yarmulkes. And they said, okay, look folks, we get it, we appreciate religious freedom. You're free to do whatever you want on evenings and weekends. But in the military here we have one religion and that's fidelity to the flag in the Constitution. And so the injection of religion, specifically a certain type of or any religion, I just think is very unhealthy and frightening. And I read it and I didn't think it was credible and then apparently came from a variety of institutions. But yeah, I found it really distasteful. The thing I would say that I think is overestimated and the markets believe this is that I believe the economic impact is largely. So far ring fenced the biggest move in markets with the South Korean Cosby, which you could argue was let some air out after a 70 plus percent run last year. But what they've said is the energy disruption would be greatest in Asia because of the Straits of Hormuz where 20% of oil flows through, but a disproportionate amount of that oil ends up in Asia. And, and that Korean companies are very energy consumptive and they have none of their own energy. So the markets kind of threw up. But if you look at, I would argue the risk trade, when there's sort of risk off you go into metals. And on the night of the attack, metals surged, but they've come way down in some the markets. And the markets can be wrong. Because the thing about war is that your enemy has a voice. Your enemy gets to provide input on what actually happens or doesn't happen. I don't think anyone expected Iran to start firing missiles at everybody. You know, you go into a bar and the two biggest kids start beating up on you. So your response is to start hitting everybody in the bar. And also what's encouraging is the number of missiles being fired out of Iran at its neighbors has declined dramatically. It looks like they may have sort of, they may have run out of munitions, if you will. And if you look at the markets, historically they dip when a war breaks out. And the year after the war ends, the markets usually surge. And so that dip is getting shallower and shallower because people expect a rebound after things look like they're going to settle. But right now, the markets, I mean, okay, could oil go to 110 bucks? Sure. The markets are saying right now it doesn't think that's going to happen.
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Jessica Tarleff
Well, the markets also understand that Donald Trump is a lunatic and they've kind of been able to figure out how to continue to perform well amongst that. Let's take a quick break. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by Nespresso introducing Vertuo up, the latest in a long line of innovation from Nespresso. It's innovation you can touch, sense and taste in every single cup. With a three second start, easy open lever and dedicated brew over ice button, it's even easier to enjoy your coffee your way. Sip for yourself. Shop Virtuo up exclusively@nespresso.com hey, Kara Swisher here.
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Kara Swisher
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Scott Galloway
The problem with the Democratic Party so often is we appear weak and we've got to be stronger and we've got to be more assertive. And so that's, you know, it's the spirit, I think, that is required of this moment.
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Kara Swisher
I've known Gavin Newsom since he was mayor of San Francisco a million years ago, a million hair gels ago, and he's a really interesting and compelling politician. He's done a lot of things in his career, and this one, this run for presidency, which is going to happen, is among the most interesting. You can find a full conversation wherever you get your podcast and on YouTube, obviously. Be sure to follow and subscribe to on with Kara Swisher for more.
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Scott Galloway
Welcome back. Yesterday, a House committee voted to subpoena Attorney General Pam Bondi over her handling of the Epstein files. With five Republicans joining Democrats, that's a real crack in GOP unity and a clear sign that frustration over those documents isn't fading. Now Kentucky Republican Thomas Massie is going further, suggesting Trump's escalating conflict with Iran may be overshadowing scrutiny of the Epstein files. His warning bombing another country won't make the Epstein files go away. Oh, my gosh, that's a good line. And AOC echoed a similar sentiment. Let's watch a clip.
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Jessica Tarleff
Trump has impulsively went in on Venezuela. He impulsively went in on Iran. There was no exit and no end game for either of these situations. It led to increased global instability everywhere he goes. And every time he's done that, it has been consistent with a spike or a revelation in what is happening with the Epstein files. I think that he feels existentially tied to it, and I actually think that it is one reason that he must be removed from office. The girl has a point, the woman, I should say. It's just being too colloquial about it. I hate reducing something of this level of import to he's really freaked out because he's mentioned in the Epstein files tens of thousands of times and feels like the walls are closing in. But that man is such a cornered rat when it comes to this. And there have been two significant breaks in their defense system. So the first is Pam Bondi getting subpoenaed and Republicans, five of them, joining with the Democrats. The other is that Howard Lutnick has volunteered to testify. So there was that picture of him that came out in the big dump like a month ago. But then the DOJ took it down and people noticed and put it back up, which drew more attention to it, obviously, and it was him with Jeffrey Epstein and three unidentified men when he visited the island. But he wasn't with his wife and his kids and his nannies. He was just hanging out with them, which flies in the face of his testimony under oath as well. So I think that Trump sees that this is going on and feels even more cornered by it, because if they can get those two up there, then they're just going to keep ticking down the list. They're also calling, which I feels like this should have happened a long time ago. Leon Black is going to be testifying long overdue in this. So it does feel like there's a pretty strong case that that's what he's trying to bob and weave around, even if it means taking us to war in the Middle East. I mean, you've always said Jeffrey Epstein is the most powerful factor in our politics, certainly for a dead man. Do you think AOC is right on the money?
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Scott Galloway
So when I was a consultant and I would review a deck of someone before they presented it in a meeting, I'd ask a series of questions. And one of the questions I would ask would be, who's in the room that's not in the room? And what I meant by is that you're in a corporate. If you're presenting to a corporation, they're generally bringing in a philosophy, a bias, or trying to please someone that is not in the room. And you need to be cognizant of the forces outside of the room. Before we got there, before we parachuted in, what's going on here? And the two people who are most in the room, but not in the room right now are one Roy Cohn. If you look at these Senate hearings, basically it's the Roy Cohn philosophy of lie. Never acquiesce, never apologize, double down, double down, never give them an inch, fight be obnoxious. It's just that the complexion and the way the Trump cabinet members acquit themselves in front of the Senate in these hearings has taken us to an absolute new low. It's probably been one of the most damaging things for our brand. Remember when you used to see on the evening news the South Korean Senate or whatever breaking into fistfights, and you'd think, oh, Jesus, we've now become that where they're asked a question, they don't answer and they just keep going on, or they call or Pam Bondi calls people, failed lawyers or why you, you know, they just. It's Roy Cohn is in the room. Anytime these individuals Give testimony. I do think in. In every meeting, on every conversation, and every major initiative, a big question is, how do we potentially keep Epstein out of the news cycle for another. Whatever it is, another 34 months until the next election? Because when the onion gets peeled back, it just gets worse and worse and worse. Now, do you think he actually went to war to keep Epstein out of the news cycle? I don't know. That's a lot, even for Trump. But I think it's a free gift with purchase here that. Okay, my thesis all along has been the following. There are two or three very smart people in a room constantly querying every LLM, what can we do to keep Epstein out of the news? And ideas, policy programs, tweets on. On true social insults. And I think they are every. I think they are monitoring how much Epstein is in the news, especially links to Trump. And then they are saying whenever it gets above a certain temperature, they're like,
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Jessica Tarleff
oh, we gotta dodge.
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Scott Galloway
Yeah, call, call, call Taylor Swift a name or something. Or. Or say you're gonna raise tariffs on Spain 50%. Like, just suppress, suppress. Keep it out of the news. So I'm sure it was. I'm sure it was a factor. I mean, it might have been a tipping factor, but I think the thing that convinced him to do this was in any geopolitical strategy or long term thinking about America, it was, you have a chance to be a hero here and bring peace to the Middle east and be seen as the iconic president of the age by doing something only you could do right now. I think it was appealing to a sense of heroism that probably I think this is ego.
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Jessica Tarleff
Well, he is a divine being.
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Scott Galloway
There you go. All right, before we go, if you're watching us on YouTube, make sure you hit subscribe. As a reminder, Raging Moderates is now five days a week, with new episodes dropping every weekday evening on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and everywhere else. So that's all for this episode. Thanks for listening and just have a great rest of the week and we'll see you next week.
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Jessica Tarleff
All right, see you later.