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All right, let's go out to New Orleans, Louisiana, and talk to Zachary. What's up, Zachary?
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Hey, what's going on, guys? Thank you for taking my call.
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You got it, dude. What's up?
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Just got a quick question about paying off my mortgage. I'm on baby steps 4, 5, and 6 right now, and I'm currently putting an extra $500 a month towards the mortgage. My wife and I bought it a house back in March of this year. We put 15% down on it and been putting 500 down every month since we started making payments. I'm just curious if I should be doing more.
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It depends on. It depends on if you want to listen. That 500 that you're doing extra every month is just busting your amortization schedule in the face like Mike Tyson. You're going to be done with this before you know it. And so at the end of the day, this is about you being intentional with your wife. You guys sitting down and saying, how much do we want to do? You know, you're at the point where you should enjoy some of the fruit of your labor a little bit. And, and I, I can't tell you what that number is, but you can sit down with your wife and decide. I like that you already have a regular kind of rhythm of how often that you pay. And at this point, it's about margin. How much margin do you want to put towards this and how much do you want to put towards living and enjoying your life?
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Well, I guess that's the problem that I'm having is finding that line between how much do I want to enjoy what we've accomplished versus how much, you know, how quickly do we want to pay down the house?
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Okay, then let me tell you a story because I. The best way to think of this is just in context of your life. So for my husband, Sam and I, it took us seven and a half to ten years to do the first three baby steps. Okay? And those are the most intense baby steps. So by the time we got to baby step six, we were like, yo, we've already spent a decade going hard in the painting, so we do less. Like, for us, that line is a lot less. It's like we're going to enjoy our life a little bit more. We're still being intentional over here, but we're not sweating to do this. So I like to ask people, listen, how long did it take you to do the first three baby steps? Because if it didn't take you long, if you had a windfall or you. So you sold something, fine. Yeah. If you want to go a little bit more intensely now, that's fine. But if you've already spent years with your head down, there is a part of that that I want you to take a breather and enjoy life. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, it does because it took me probably about three to four years because I was starting a new career when I started the process. And so it just, over time, as I started to make more and more money through promotions and stuff, it took a while because I didn't have much margin to begin with. And so I guess now it's like a cash flow. We cash flowed. The wedding and the honeymoon.
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Yeah, good.
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All of that. So I guess now it's. It's finding that, you know, that happy middle ground of still being intentional enough, but enjoying everything we've accomplished.
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Yeah. So after. Let's. Let's keep the $500 going after that, what would you say your margin is for. For fun money. Like after you've done all the things that make you a financially responsible adult.
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So it ranges. I'm actually aligning with the local power company. So it just depends on the overtime. Some months it could be after everything's said and done, we've got a thousand to fifteen hundred. Sometimes it could be more.
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Okay, good. I think as long as you are. You guys are prioritizing your values as a family at this point. If you guys value getting away just you and your wife once a quarter, and you're doing that. If you value taking a nice family vacation every year, and you're doing that, I think as long as you're doing the things that you value as fun things, family things, memorable things, the. The things that feel you make you feel like what I'm doing, the time I'm spending on my work is worth it. Right. Because you want to feel like I'm working for something, and now it's worth it as long as you're doing those things. If you have money above and beyond that. Yeah. Put it on the mortgage.
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Okay.
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Above and beyond the 500 is what I'm saying. Yeah.
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And Jay, let me say this. And. And Zach, this is to you too. So everybody listening. But those from those seasons for me have ebb and flowed.
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Yeah.
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There's been seasons when I need to take a break right.
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Yes. Yes.
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And then there's been seasons when I. I wake up and I'm like, I can't lose anybody, anything. And I. I re. Get insane again.
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Yes.
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And for me, it's the same as yesterday. I was feeling extra stressy about the election stuff and all that. I was in Kroger and I literally made this choice. I am gonna feel bad tonight and I'm gonna buy a bunch of junk food right now.
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Yeah.
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And so my rule of thumb is I don' Fall off the wagon. But occasionally I'll park the wagon, climb down and roll around in the mud and then I'll climb back in. Right.
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I think we need that as human beings.
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I think, I think the key here is intentional.
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Yeah.
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Like you and say like decade. We are intentionally going to slow this thing down and we live our lives now.
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Yes.
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And on the other side, for the, for me, I'm going to intentionally dump gas on this thing because I am losing sleep over it. I want it gone. Right. But I think intentionality is that magic word.
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You're. You're exactly right. I think you're talking to everybody. That's such a relatable thing. There's that moment where that Terminator 2 red light turns on in my brain and I'm like, we're dropping all the extra money on the mortgage. And then there's times where I'm like, I need new recliners. Like, I'm not playing this game right now. I need. Mama needs to live. Like, so that is a very real thing when you're in baby steps four, five and six. Just. It's okay. It doesn't have to be balls to the wall. You can chill out a little bit. It.
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Release Date: December 18, 2024
Hosts: Dave Ramsey, Ken Coleman, Rachel Cruze, George Kamel, Jade Warshaw, and Dr. John Delony
Episode Focus: Balancing mortgage payoff strategies with enjoying life's rewards.
In this episode of Ramsey Everyday Millionaires, the Ramsey Network hosts delve into the common dilemma faced by many homeowners: determining the optimal pace for paying down a mortgage. Balancing aggressive debt repayment with enjoying financial freedom is a central theme, providing listeners with practical advice and personal insights.
The episode begins with a listener, Zachary from New Orleans, reaching out with a pertinent question about his mortgage strategy.
Zachary:
"I'm currently putting an extra $500 a month towards the mortgage... I'm just curious if I should be doing more."
[00:31]
Zachary is actively managing his mortgage by following Baby Steps 4, 5, and 6, having put down 15% on his home purchase earlier in the year. His commitment to extra payments reflects a strong dedication to financial responsibility.
Dave Ramsey responds thoughtfully, emphasizing the importance of intention and balance in financial planning.
Dave Ramsey:
"The $500 that you're doing extra every month is just busting your amortization schedule in the face like Mike Tyson."
[00:55]
He acknowledges Zachary's commitment but also highlights the significance of aligning financial strategies with personal and familial well-being.
Dave Ramsey:
"This is about you being intentional with your wife... how much margin do you want to put towards this and how much do you want to put towards living and enjoying your life?"
[01:37]
Ramsey stresses that while paying down the mortgage is important, it's equally crucial to enjoy the fruits of one's labor and maintain a balanced lifestyle.
To illustrate his point, Dave shares his personal experience navigating the Baby Steps framework.
Dave Ramsey:
"For my husband, Sam and I, it took us seven and a half to ten years to do the first three baby steps... by the time we got to baby step six, we were like, yo, we've already spent a decade going hard in the painting, so we do less."
[01:50]
This narrative underscores the idea that financial strategies can and should evolve over time, allowing for more flexibility and enjoyment as initial goals are achieved.
Zachary further elaborates on his financial situation, discussing cash flow and the allocation for leisure activities.
Zachary:
"How much margin is for fun money... it just depends on the overtime. Some months it could be after everything's said and done, we've got a thousand to fifteen hundred."
[03:05]
Dave responds by reinforcing the importance of prioritizing family values and ensuring that financial decisions align with what brings joy and fulfillment.
Dave Ramsey:
"If you have money above and beyond that, put it on the mortgage."
[04:18]
This approach encourages a balanced financial plan where debt repayment and personal enjoyment coexist harmoniously.
The conversation shifts to the concept of financial "seasons," where different phases require varying levels of financial focus and relaxation.
Dave Ramsey:
"There's that moment where that Terminator 2 red light turns on in my brain and I'm like, we're dropping all the extra money on the mortgage... and then there's times where I'm like, I need new recliners."
[05:08]
Dave Ramsey:
"Intentionality is that magic word... It's okay. It doesn't have to be balls to the wall. You can chill out a little bit."
[05:14]
This segment emphasizes that financial strategies should be adaptable, allowing individuals to intensify or ease their focus on debt repayment based on their current life circumstances and mental well-being.
The episode concludes with a reaffirmation of intentionality in financial decision-making. The hosts encourage listeners to thoughtfully assess their financial priorities, ensuring that strategies like mortgage paydown are aligned with personal values and life enjoyment.
Dave Ramsey:
"You're talking to everybody. That's such a relatable thing... Just. It's okay. It doesn't have to be balls to the wall. You can chill out a little bit."
[05:24]
By advocating for a balanced approach, the Ramsey Network empowers listeners to create personalized financial plans that not only aim for wealth accumulation but also prioritize quality of life.
By exploring these themes, Ramsey Everyday Millionaires provides a comprehensive guide for listeners seeking to optimize their mortgage repayment strategies without sacrificing the joys of life.