Becky Lynch continues her TRASH TALK of Lyra Valkyria | Raw Recap

Summary

Raw Recap with Sam Roberts and Megan Morant

Episode: Becky Lynch continues her TRASH TALK of Lyra Valkyria | Raw Recap
Date: May 6, 2025
Podcast: WWE x Fanatics Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Raw Recap breaks down all the key drama and developments from the May 6th edition of Monday Night Raw on Netflix. Hosted by Sam Roberts and Megan Morant, with guest analyst Big E, the show spotlights the evolving storylines around the World Heavyweight Championship, the intensifying feud between Becky Lynch and Lyra Valkyria, and the looming Backlash premium live event. Notably, Becky Lynch herself joins the show backstage, providing a fiery, unfiltered interview that doubles down on her trash talk of Lyra Valkyria—and the women’s division at large.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. World Heavyweight Championship Shakeup

• Main Event Surprise:
  • Jey Uso faces Seth Rollins for the World Heavyweight Championship in an unannounced main event ([01:37]).
• Paul Heyman's Justification:
  • The episode opens with Paul Heyman explaining, for the first time, why he turned on CM Punk and Roman Reigns at WrestleMania.
  • Heyman positions himself as the creator of The Bloodline and rationalizes betraying Roman, calling himself the reason the group existed ([09:30]).
• Jey Uso Confronts Heyman:
  • Jey calls out Heyman for betrayal, emphasizing the difference between family and outsiders turning on Reigns ([06:49]).
• Logan Paul's Hidden Attack:
  • Post-show footage reveals Logan Paul was in attendance, sucker-punching Jey Uso while disguised, igniting further speculation about his alliances ([10:12]).
• Speculation on Logan Paul:
  • The group debates if Logan will align with Heyman’s new stable, to which Big E remarks, “I don’t even wanna… it gave me chills just now. Not good chills, bad chills” ([21:39]).

2. Jey Uso vs. Seth Rollins Main Event Breakdown

• High-Energy Match:
  • An unplanned title match; both competitors are “can’t lose” as Megan and Big E note the fast pacing and unpredictability ([16:48]).
• Interference and Returns:
  • Braun Breaker and Paul Heyman lurk at ringside; Bron interferes, Sami Zayn returns to even the odds (disguised in Logan Paul’s hoodie) ([18:18]).
  • Ultimately, CM Punk returns, chair in hand, symbolically referencing WrestleMania, and the trio of Punk, Zayn, and Jey stand tall after Seth Rollins loses the match by DQ ([19:50]).

3. Becky Lynch Interview: Trash Talk & Women’s Division

Backstage Interview with Becky Lynch ([24:15]):

• Lynch’s Mindset:
  • Becky is aggressive, unapologetic, and claims credit for Lyra Valkyria’s mere presence in WWE.
    • “She wouldn’t even have a dream if it wasn’t for me… I invented wrestling.” ([25:11])
• Dismissal of Lyra’s Success:
  • Becky denies Lyra has gotten the better of her, insists she’s still “the greatest to ever do it,” and is indignant at being challenged.
• Refusal to Share Credit:
  • She dismisses the notion of “helping” anyone but Lyra—more as a backhanded compliment than genuine mentorship ([29:38]).
  • “It’s not my job to help you. It’s my job to beat you. This isn’t show friends, this is show business.” ([34:25])
• Reference to “Becky Hogan”:
  • Addressing social media memes comparing her to Hulk Hogan, Becky calls out the “bad guy” reputation and says she wears her scars as evidence of her contributions.
    • “I wear the scars of what I’ve done on my body.” ([32:46])
• Motherhood & Motivation:
  • Lynch frames her ruthless attitude as both competitive drive and a need to provide for her child. “Why am I gonna leave my child to lose?” ([37:14])
• Prediction for Backlash:
  • Insists she'll beat Lyra at Backlash—as losing isn't an option for her ([29:07], [39:13]).

4. Lyra Valkyria’s Rising Stock

• Hosts on Lyra:
  • Megan is a fan of Lyra’s new fierceness, while Big E points out the danger of going “promo for promo” with Becky.
  • “Two weeks in a row, she’s come out and nailed it, in my opinion.” ([43:59])
• Lyra’s Big Moment:
  • Lyra’s confidence and ability to stand her ground on the mic is highlighted as a possible launching point for her WWE career.

5. Rest of Raw & Women’s Wrestling

• Women’s Division Highlights:
  • Roxanne Perez vs. Iyo Sky is discussed, with Roxanne shaking Iyo’s hand as a surprise sign of respect ([47:14]).
  • Julia’s attack on Iyo after the match signals continuing chaos in the title picture.

6. Backlash Preview: Analysis and Predictions

• Gunther vs. Pat McAfee:
  • Big E and Sam Roberts emphasize that Gunther must dominate to retain his mystique, while Pat needs to demonstrate grit ([57:31]).
    • “If Gunther loses, the mystique of Gunther really takes a big hit.” — Sam Roberts ([57:31])
• Dom Mysterio vs. Penta (Intercontinental):
  • Dom’s meteoric rise is highlighted against Penta’s explosiveness ([71:03]).
    • “Dom has so much momentum right now. It’s hard to bet against him.” — Sam Roberts ([71:03])
    • “You can’t maintain momentum like he’s maintained it by mistake.” — Big E ([73:56])
• Jacob Fatu’s Star Potential:
  • Facing LA Knight, Drew McIntyre, and Damian Priest, the hosts gush over Fatu as a breakout star ([75:25]).
    • “He’s a one of one. That dude is different, man.” — Sam Roberts ([75:25])
• Cena vs. Orton (World Title):
  • Nostalgia for this main event is strong; both hosts reflect on how rare and significant it is to have Cena vs. Orton headline Backlash in 2025 ([76:42], [77:17]).
    • “This might be the very last time that we see Randy Orton at a PLE in St. Louis.” — Sam Roberts ([77:17])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You always got to watch people like this… They say it’s for everyone, but it’s mostly for themselves.” — Big E on Paul Heyman’s justification ([05:49])
• “She wouldn’t even have a dream if it wasn’t for me… I invented wrestling.” — Becky Lynch ([25:11])
• “It’s not my job to help you. It’s my job to beat you. This isn’t show friends, this is show business.” — Becky Lynch ([34:25])
• “If Gunther loses, the mystique of Gunther really takes a big hit.” — Sam Roberts ([57:31])
• “You can’t maintain momentum like [Dominik Mysterio] has by mistake. It doesn’t happen.” — Big E ([73:56])
• “He’s a one of one. That dude is different, man. Jacob Fatu is built different and I don’t know what his ceiling is—world championships, that’s coming, I promise you.” — Sam Roberts ([75:25])
• “Why am I gonna leave my child to lose?” — Becky Lynch ([37:14])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening Raw & Heyman Explains Himself: [01:37] – [09:48]
• Logan Paul’s Post-Show Attack: [10:12]
• Jey Uso vs. Seth Rollins Recap: [16:01] – [19:50]
• CM Punk Returns: [19:50]
• Becky Lynch Interview: [24:15] – [39:33]
• Hosts’ Lyra Valkyria Analysis: [42:50] – [44:49]
• Women’s Division Recap (Roxanne, Iyo, Julia): [45:31] – [47:59]
• Backlash Analysis (Gunther/Pat, Dom/Penta, Fatu, Cena/Orton): [55:37] – [77:17]

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Language & Tone

The tone is energetic, candid, and playful—especially as Becky Lynch engages in banter with the hosts and doubles down on her heel persona. The panel’s style is passionate, blending insider analysis with fan excitement.

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Overall Takeaways

• The Raw main event and surrounding storyline are accelerating, with unclear allegiances forming between Heyman, Rollins, Breaker, and possibly Logan Paul.
• Becky Lynch is leaning hard into her self-proclaimed “greatest of all time” status, refusing to give credit to her challengers or peers—specifically Lyra Valkyria.
• Lyra’s breakout on the mic and in-ring is a focal point, setting up a compelling women’s title match at Backlash.
• The hosts express excitement and intrigue for Backlash’s stacked card, with opinions split on who rises and who falls as WWE’s new stories take shape.

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For New Listeners

This episode delivers high-level backstage insights, passionate character analysis, and exclusive Superstar access, capturing everything a WWE fan would want to know about the current landscape and the rivalries to watch moving into Backlash.

Transcript

[Sam Roberts]

David. Yes.

[Big E]

Have you ever noticed that the way we use our phones is ironic?

[Sam Roberts]

Phones are for connection, but we look at them more than we look at each other. That's ironic.

[Big E]

Griffin, it's like rain on your wedding day. Listen. That's ironic. So U.S. cellular created U.S. mode to help us reconnect, you and I.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right.

[Big E]

A phone company wanting people to use their phones, less ironic. A phone company wanting people to use.

[Sam Roberts]

Their phones, less ironic.

[Big E]

But let's find US again with US mode from US Cellular. Visit uscellular.com built for us to get started. What are the other things that are ironic? We got an incredible World Heavyweight Championship main event tonight. We have Becky lynch on the show. We have Big E this show. We got to talk about R. We got to talk about backlash on Saturday. Welcome to the WWE RAW recap brought to you by Fanatics. So we end the night with the World Heavyweight Championship on the line. When I woke up this morning, I did not think to myself, and I would have, by the way, had I known that I was going to end the night with a World Heavyweight Championship match, I would have woken up thinking, oh, yeah, don't forget that's your reason for waking up tonight. There's a World Heavyweight Championship match.

[Megan Morant]

I was surprised what to Monday night RAW to find out that we are going to see Jay USO against Seth freakin Rollins in the main event. And it delivered well.

[Big E]

It's been so fun watching this whole alliance between Bron Breaker, Seth Rollins and Paul Heyman define themselves.

[Megan Morant]

You love the spray tans, don't you?

[Big E]

I don't. I think it was natural, I think. I mean, listen, the weather is great in Omaha this time of year, and I think, I think Bron Breaker and Paul Heyman spent some time by the pool. Paul Heyman looks very youthful, by the way. Nice tan, natural, nice.

[Megan Morant]

Looking good.

[Big E]

Jet black hair. Yeah, natural. By the way, from what I've been told by Paul Heyman, I love seeing the this group define themselves. Right? Wrestlemania. We're left with all these questions. Then the Raw after Wrestlemania. Bron Breaker joins even more questions. But we start to formulate what's going on. Last week, it was a whole mission to take out Sami Zayn in the beginning of sort of a definition of at least what Seth Rollins was doing.

[Megan Morant]

We saw the manipulation from Seth. Yes.

[Big E]

Tonight. And Paul Heyman, of course, always. He can't help. It's the only way he knows. And tonight we kind of got more into maybe who they are, specifically Paul Heyman. Right. I think Starting the show with Jay uso. And I never thought I would ask this question, but where the hell was Logan Paul? Where was Logan Paul Thing the night starts with Jey USO calling out Logan Paul. And somehow. And Paul Heyman has this power. Paul Heyman coming out and interrupting it made everybody forget that this was about Jey USO and Logan Paul. A minute ago, you and I were.

[Megan Morant]

Watching the show together. As soon as I heard the Ladies and gentlemen.

[Big E]

Ladies and gentlemen, I looked at you. Gas.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, my gosh, no. What is going on?

[Big E]

And I started wondering, like, is this a. Is this a plan to take people out one at a time? Like, last week it was Mission Sami Zayn. This week it's Mission Jay uso. But I thought there was a lot of. A lot of meat on the bone of what was going on between Jey uso and Paul Heyman. Where Jay USO right away saying flat out, you got a lot of balls stepping in here after what you did to my cousin, after what you did to my family. And this was the first time that we got Paul Heyman explaining his side of the story. Like, this is the first that we even come near Paul Heyman justifying in any way, shape or form why he turned on CM Punk and Roman Reigns at WrestleMania, which we were waiting for.

[Megan Morant]

Because we knew that a favor was a choice. Right. That's been a theme. This favor keeps coming up. It came up tonight once again on Monday Night Raw.

[Big E]

It.

[Megan Morant]

And we knew Paul Heyman had a choice to make. He made The Choice at WrestleMania, and the Choice was Seth Rollins. And we were left wondering why. Tonight we found out a little bit of why. Well, according to Paul Heyman, yeah, we.

[Big E]

Found out, I think, a lot. A bit from his perspective. It just depends on how you want to look at the perspective. And I think that that's also part of this group is like nothing that Seth has said has been incorrect, but it's been skewed to a certain perspective. The idea anytime anybody in any spot in the world says, look, I want what's best for everybody, I just don't know who's gonna do it, so I better do it myself. You go. Huh? Okay. There's something. There's something more than meets the eye here.

[Megan Morant]

You're the one.

[Big E]

Yeah, you're. And who. Oh, you figured that out yourself. Oh, you did that on your own. Fix it by force. Gotcha. Okay, okay. And in your image, that's what we'll do.

[Megan Morant]

Going to benefit you.

[Big E]

Right, right, right. No, no, no.

[Megan Morant]

It'll Benefit everybody, but mostly you.

[Big E]

I am part of everybody.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Big E]

Yeah. You always got to watch people like this. I thought that Jay. And it's really interesting because to me, Jay kind of established this version of himself on the road to WrestleMania where people thought they could kind of run over him. I think Jay started listening to the Internet. I think Jay started listening to other people that he was getting in the ring with and really having very real doubts about his abilities. And I think a switch changed on the way to WrestleMania, at WrestleMania, and now. And I think this is so valuable. He's maintained it. He's held onto it post WrestleMania to the point that he had it still tonight, where Paul Heyman is explaining that, firstly, Jay has no right to criticize Paul for turning on Roman reigns, especially when Jay did the same thing. Where do you stand on that?

[Megan Morant]

He's calling a spade a spade.

[Big E]

Okay, but what do you think of the idea that, like. Yeah, but that's my blood. If I turn on a. If there's. If there's war in the family.

[Megan Morant]

Family business, right? Family's complicated.

[Big E]

Exactly. You got a cousin.

[Megan Morant]

Of course you're.

[Big E]

You can fight with your cousin, right?

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Big E]

Now, what if I go like, yeah, I hate your cousin. You'd be like, yo, what?

[Megan Morant]

That's my cousin.

[Big E]

Right, Exactly.

[Megan Morant]

It's. It's like I can say bad things about my sibling.

[Big E]

Oh, yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Relative. But when you say bad things about my family.

[Big E]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

We have a problem.

[Big E]

Even if I go, you're right. Megan. What? Excuse me.

[Megan Morant]

You can't talk about her.

[Big E]

Exactly. Exactly. That was the vibe that I got from Paul Heyman, equating what he's gone through with what Jay's gone through. And Jay. I mean, talk about everything counts. Jay coming out and going, I told him from the beginning not to trust you. And you go. You start spinning it back. You jump in the Wayback Machine to the beginning of the bloodline, and you're like, yeah. Jay was saying, don't trust him. Jay was that kind of voice of reason, the angel on the shoulder the entire time. But Heyman explained both from the Punk and Roman perspective. He says that with Punk and this, we kind of knew he had best.

[Megan Morant]

Friend in the world.

[Big E]

Best friend in the world, brother in arms. We knew this because he had said it. Like, if you listen to what he was saying in the ring, look what you made me do. He was kind of pushing this forward, but he hadn't set it into a microphone yet. That CM Punk, he felt, put him in this position where it was a no win situation. And that he felt Punk purposefully was sabotaging his relationship with Roman Reigns. And I guess to Paul Heyman, that's where it's like, well, I guess you're not my best friend after all because you're sabotaging my relationship with Roman Reigns. Then with Roman Reigns, he goes all the way back. He's not talking about what Roman did on the road to WrestleMania. No, he goes all the way back to the. The phone out of service. The where are you, Roman Reigns? The moment. If you go back, if you go back to that smackdown in Madison Square Garden that Paul Heyman brought up on Raw, and you look at the moment that the new bloodline powerbombed Paul Heyman through that table, there is an instant where Paul Heyman makes direct contact with the camera lens and all over his face it is, how could you let them do this to me? And then slam and how can you.

[Megan Morant]

Let them do this to me after all that I've done for you? Paul Heyman credit himself tonight with creating the bloodline. He said that he's the reason the bloodline exists. I mean, he straight up said that he went and found a stray big dog and turned him into a tribal chief.

[Big E]

And he knows. He knows that Roman doesn't like to have the big dog brought up. He knows that. By the way, by the way, I just got word. We got an answer to one of our questions already. Exclusive footage of a shocking moment that just took place after Raw went off the air. Logan Paul was in Omaha.

[Megan Morant]

What?

[Big E]

And he was in the audience and he had a hoodie on and he punched Jay in the face. While Jay was going around doing his championship duty, high fiving everybody, Logan Paul was there and he punched him in the face. You know, Logan Paul did say last week, I think it was on this show, book me. I'm open for business. When we tried to call him on this idea that he says he's full time, but he's not actually full time, he said, bro, my calendar's open. Call me, I'm open for business. And now he's showing up on Monday Night Raw. He's not even on television. He's in Omaha, Nebraska. Not even on television.

[Megan Morant]

Can't even call him on his bluff.

[Big E]

Right, Right. Isn't that wild? Everybody, I love stuff like this. Everybody thinks we got it all figured out, including myself. I literally was like, right, Logan Paul versus Jay USO for the world title at Backlash. I legit thought it was a match. And then I looked at the Backlash card I was like, oh, I'm just so this smart wrestling guy. I know everything that's going on. They never announced that match.

[Megan Morant]

No. There was no graphic.

[Big E]

Right. There's no graphic.

[Sam Roberts]

And that's the rule.

[Becky Lynch]

Who always.

[Megan Morant]

You went back on your own rule.

[Big E]

I gotta follow my own rule. The rules are there for a reason. There was never a graphic. So then Jay's calling Logan out. Logan's nowhere to be found. We got this whole thing with Seth Rollins. We'll talk about that in a moment. But yes, at the end of the night, Logan, Paul was indeed. And Jay said everything counts. Jay said, logan, I know you are back there, so come on out. So Jay knew he was back there the whole time. And then he puts the hoodie on. I mean, I don't know why Adam Pierce doesn't been.

[Megan Morant]

See, this is smart of Jay. Right. He knows as the World Heavyweight Champion.

[Big E]

He'S got a big smart. He got knocked out.

[Megan Morant]

He's got a big target on his back. He knew that Logan was there, but then he took his eye off the ball because he was distracted by Seth Rollins.

[Big E]

He was smart for, like, one second.

[Megan Morant]

Well, he knows that he was there.

[Big E]

He knew that he was there. I don't think he was thinking about that when he was slapping everybody's high fives.

[Megan Morant]

Would you forget if you just had a World Heavyweight title match like that?

[Big E]

If I was the World Heavyweight Champion, I probably wouldn't be making matches for myself day of.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, he thought with this.

[Big E]

His emotions, you know, he felt with. Because it was one word, four letters.

[Megan Morant]

That's my favorite part.

[Big E]

Of course it is. So he did, though, going back to that thing that you were just saying, Heyman took full credit for the bloodline.

[Megan Morant]

Stray Big Dog.

[Big E]

Stray Big Dog took full credit. He said, we won the WWE Championship and he lost it. And it's like, interesting what you're doing with your pronouns. There's wise man and he.

[Megan Morant]

Interesting what you're doing, Rhodes, because of Seth Rollins.

[Big E]

We won. He lost. Huh. Interesting way to look at things.

[Megan Morant]

Well, you know who does Heyman always side with?

[Big E]

The winner.

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Big E]

That's it. That's it. And he did say. And he did give you. Right. He did give Seth Rollins the credit for being the distraction that lost Roman Reigns, that title.

[Megan Morant]

And then he said, what did Roman Reigns do after he lost the title? He was a sad dog and went home.

[Big E]

He went home and he abandoned Paul Heyman and he. Benny had Paul Heyman have to deal with Solo and the Tongans, and we all Saw it all happening. And it is. I mean, so much of what Roman Reigns was going through in the last year was chickens coming home to roost for everything that he did with the bloodline. Now he's still paying for what he did after the bloodline with people like Paul Heyman, I mean, it's all like every action has a reaction. And just because, you know, a lot of fans are ready to start cheering Roman Reigns doesn't mean that that takes away the stuff that he did. So he says to Jay, and this was really interesting to me because this goes back to what Biggie has talked about on the show, where there's a lot more to being a world champion than just having the title, than just winning these matches, right? He says to Jay that that title is about power, right? And influence and. And. And. And control. And that's real life. That's a real thing. That's not a storyline. That's like, people get that title historically and have held onto it to be the top guy to protect their spot, to make sure you know, all of it. Because when you're the champion, not only are you on top, not only are you winning, you're making more money, you're selling more merch. Like, that's the spot to be in, and you have influence over everything. And he said, jay, you're not. You're not ready for that power. You're not cut out for that. You. You don't know how to operate in that world of. Of power.

[Megan Morant]

Sure, you have the fans behind you. Sure, you have an awesome entrance. Sure, you're selling a lot of merch, but power and control? No, that's a different deal, Rollins.

[Big E]

And listen, that's true. I mean, that's the whole. I mean, how many times did Jay get taken advantage of in the bloodline? Over and over and over again. You know, it took him forever to finally stand out on his own, and still he said so many setbacks. Standing out on his own. Seth Rollins is a guy who's kind of been able to go with the flow, to ride with the wave and go from being an architect to a messiah, to being somebody that's kind of an architect and a messiah right now. And.

[Megan Morant]

And always a visionary.

[Big E]

And always a visionary. So Paul says. So Seth is calling you out. He won the main event of WrestleMania, beat Roman Reigns and CM Punk. He wants a world title shot anytime. And Jay says tonight, which is so refreshing because I feel like so many times or stupid for me, refreshing. Okay, As a fan, for what I get to watch on Television, Yes. Refreshing. Because I feel like we keep seeing shows where it's like. As I get from Jay's perspective, you're right. But we keep seeing shows where it's like, yeah, you know, have this match and everybody goes, yeah, in three weeks. Oh. To be able to say like, no, no, we'll do it.

[Becky Lynch]

Right?

[Big E]

We'll do it tonight. It's like, oh, my God, this is great. If you're in Nebraska, it's great. If you're just watching raw, you're like, we get the World Heavyweight Championship match, then we get this match, right? And it's time officially to end the narrative. All this yapping from the haters. Jey uso can't wrestle. Jey USO can't wrestle. Once he. But the bell has to ring. He sells shirts. He's got a great entrance. He's got a fun catchphrase. Can't wrestle. He goes to WrestleMania, has a great match with Gunther, shows up on Raw tonight. The main event was fire. It was so good. Omaha was on their feet. We were on our feet in my living room. It was on believable this entire time.

[Megan Morant]

I'm looking at you. Jake can't lose, but Seth can't lose, right? Can't lose. Oh. Oh. Kick out. Oh.

[Big E]

And they're telling this story through movement. It was awesome.

[Megan Morant]

We were gonna wake your kids up.

[Big E]

I did, too. I did, too. And if they did come down, I'd say, don't worry, kids. Wake up. Get the whole family around. There's a. There's an insane main event of Monday Night Raw happening right now. So you're right. We're watching this, and it was a something's gotta give scenario because we didn't even really have time to process it because we didn't know this match was going to happen. Right. We're just starting to get our feet wet in terms of what this group even is. And now Seth Rollins is getting, like. You would think that that would be an eventuality. Eventually, Seth will build towards the World Heavyweight Championship. And they're like, well, we're gonna have the championship match tonight. You're like, what? Huh?

[Megan Morant]

I'm like, how fast are we moving?

[Big E]

Yeah. Yes. And so we get in. It's an awesome match. Braun Breaker at ringside the whole time. Paul Heyman at ringside the whole time. Can't tell those two guys apart with that tan. Can I? Can't tell who's who.

[Megan Morant]

I don't know. You might have to get your eyes checked.

[Big E]

Okay. All right.

[Megan Morant]

I can certainly tell who's who?

[Big E]

You figured it out.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Big E]

Oh, okay.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Big E]

Okay. All right.

[Megan Morant]

Got that one down.

[Big E]

All right, so be it. And then you get. But you get Bron Breaker. He's a weapon out there. Interference. Spears going left and right. And just when you think all hope is lost, Sami Zayn's music hits and you're like, I thought Sami Zayn was dunsky for a while. I thought Sami Zayn got laid out something fierce.

[Megan Morant]

I thought he had broken ribs.

[Big E]

That's right. Sami Zayn jumps out of the crowd wearing Logan Paul's hoodie that he's going to wear later and takes out Bron Breaker. He's got his ribs all wrapped up. Everything's great. Sami Zayn is the hero. And then eventually, boom. Bron Breaker spears Sami Zayn again through the rib bandages after the week he had last week, the last thing in the world he needs. But, I mean, what do you think is going to happen?

[Megan Morant]

Bron Breaker's there.

[Big E]

Yeah. Then, yeah, Then Sami Zayn is out. We think that this is all wrapped up for Jay and. And. And. And referees are getting distracted, and Bron Breaker is getting involved, and Seth Rollins is ready for it. And then CM Punk's music played. Now, CM Punk got taken out two weeks ago. He said on Instagram Live, like, this week, I've had one week off. I need more. He said on his Instagram Live, I need more time off. I'm not coming back. And then, boom, here he is, CM Punk, Jay, uso, Sami Zayn standing tall after CM Punk gets in that ring and Seth Rollins loses the match by disqualification. And I'll tell you, this group that was assembled once the numbers were off, all of a sudden, I don't know, it would look like, you know, Sam's a jey. USO and CM Punk combined feels like a force worthy of taking down this new Paul Heyman group.

[Megan Morant]

Without question. And they stood tall for a reason tonight. I do love CM Punk returning and returning with the chair in his hand.

[Big E]

Yeah, it's great.

[Megan Morant]

Symbolic of what happened at Wrestlemania. We just heard Paul Heyman's, you know, his. His whole interpretation of why he had to turn on his best friend in the world, and here he is, and.

[Big E]

Throwing it right in the face of Bron Breaker, too. That was brutal. Yes, it was great, though. Now I wonder. We're looking at three on two. I don't think Paul Heyman's going to put on a pair of trunks.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, this alliance is going to have to.

[Big E]

It could. I mean, and that's Something people have been wildly speculating upon for some time now. Is the alliance going to grow? And I kind of think. I kind of think it's got to.

[Megan Morant]

Well, after what we saw last night, I. I agree with you. They have. They have no other option.

[Big E]

What if in the ultimate move of villainy. What's this group about? The future.

[Megan Morant]

Power, control. The future of the industry.

[Big E]

Future of the industry. Who's the one person that wrestling fans don't want to believe is the future of the industry? Who's the one person that got involved after the show?

[Megan Morant]

Logan Paul.

[Big E]

Can you imagine if Logan Paul stands with this group now? I'm not. Just something that occurred to me when I see him jumping out of the crowd. He wasn't standing with them at all. He wasn't part of the segment. He just punches Jey USO in the face. And obviously he's got his own issues with Jay uso. But I'm just saying, I do think.

[Megan Morant]

You'Re on Disney with the future of the industry.

[Big E]

All of a sudden I'm looking at this going like, oh, God. Because that's the future.

[Megan Morant]

It is, whether we like it or not.

[Big E]

And I think if you ask Paul Heyman, he would tell you it was. And he's done interviews where he's talked about how great Logan Paul is, and.

[Megan Morant]

He said he's available.

[Big E]

Logan Paul did?

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Big E]

I don't even wanna. I mean. Oh, it gave me chills just now. Not good chills, bad shells. Not these kind of chills.

[Megan Morant]

I'm just thinking of that big ego, though.

[Big E]

Big ego.

[Megan Morant]

He doesn't really seem like a guy who could work with.

[Big E]

That's true. And Seth Rollins needs to be the leader. Yeah, that's true.

[Megan Morant]

It might not work, but I do think if anybody could really help Logan fit in in this industry, it's Seth.

[Big E]

Well, listen, talk about this industry, talk about leaders. We got to get to our first guest in Omaha, Nebraska. She had a big night. I don't think it. It worked out too well for her. Our first guest is backstage coming to us right now. Guys. Today's episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Now, look, statistics, they bother me when I read them sometimes. Mental health awareness is growing. We all know this, but there was a statistic that was. That was put out there that 26% of Americans were. Who participated in a recent survey say they have avoided seeking mental health support due to fear of judgment. That's a terrible thing. Of course, we shouldn't be judging each other, but the world that we live in is the world that we live in. When people hesitate to get help, it doesn't just affect them. It impacts families, workplaces, communities. That's where better help comes in. Betterhelp takes all of that away. All the. The judgment that you may feel coming in from the outside is gone. And to me, that's key. When you're doing something that is as important as your mental health, you need to do it on your terms. And you have no idea how impactful and how helpful it can be to just talk to somebody. BetterHelp has over 10 years of experience matching people with the right therapists from their diverse network of more than 30,000 licensed therapists with a wide range of specialties, including it's fully online, making therapy affordable and convenient, serving over 5 million people worldwide. And of course, you can easily switch therapists at any time for no extra cost. Look, we're all better with help. Visit betterhelp.com rawrecap to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp. H E L p.com rawrecap we welcome to the Raw recap. Unfortunately, looking a bit worse for wares. Becky lynch, the man.

[Becky Lynch]

Oh, I. I got into a fight. You didn't get into a fight. What's your excuse?

[Big E]

Okay, well, that's. You don't have to start. Like, I mean, Becky, like, we talked to you a couple of weeks ago on the show, right after winning the tag team championship at WrestleMania. You were completely different human being, and now you have an ice pack on your head. I mean, what is that?

[Becky Lynch]

Okay, I haven't changed? No, I haven't changed. What. What has changed about me? I put. I told you how good she was. I told you she was great. And what does she do? She goes and loses. She made a fool out of me. She made a fool out of me. So I beat her up, but she acts like she's never gotten beat up before. This is. This is wrestling. That's what we do, you know? And now she's coming after saying that she's better than me when I literally wrote the roadmap for her to follow. I wrote a book on it. New York Times bestselling book. Meghan's read it. I don't know about you. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, same.

[Becky Lynch]

I gave her the roadmap. And then she comes at me, she says, I'm better than you. I'm better than you. The arrogance. The arrogance. As if she wouldn't even have a dream if it wasn't for me. Like you wouldn't know what wrestling is. She thinks I invented wrestling.

[Big E]

I mean, but don't you think that at a point, like, you can inspire people, but at a point their success becomes a result of their own actions?

[Becky Lynch]

No, I don't think so.

[Megan Morant]

Becky, I'm sorry that Sam kind of started this interview off on the wrong foot. I would like to thank you for taking out the trash.

[Becky Lynch]

I'm sorry, but he was. He was saying. Hmm. You got any other thoughts about that?

[Big E]

No, I. No. No, I didn't want to.

[Becky Lynch]

You.

[Big E]

You.

[Becky Lynch]

You think that you'd be in the wwe, the biggest professional wrestling business of all time. You think she'd do that if I didn't do what I did? You. You think that? No, I think I get to claim any bit of success that she has. She. She's just trying to be me. And now she's trying to be a better version than me, but she can't be a better version than me because I'm the greatest to ever do it. Sports Illustrated says it. Yeah, not only does Sports Illustrated say it, but another list with the 20 greatest wrestlers of all time also puts me on that list. Not just like 20 best women, it was all wrestlers, men and women. They put me on that list. I think I was number like three or something of all time. Like men and women.

[Big E]

No, I mean, it's great placement.

[Becky Lynch]

I will say was. I was underrated on that one.

[Big E]

Yeah, no, it's great placement. I. My only point was that at a point, even if you inspire somebody to get involved, even if you inspire somebody to get here, that it's fair.

[Megan Morant]

Well, I think there's no debating it. Lyra Valkyria wouldn't be where she is without you. But she did get the better of you two weeks in a row. Did you ever think she had it in her?

[Becky Lynch]

No, no, no. I got the better of her last week. No, no. Do you remember you did come out at the end? Yes, you have the grand stand at the end. Thought she was great.

[Megan Morant]

And then you came back.

[Becky Lynch]

Look at me. Birds fly. Will watch me soar like an eagle.

[Big E]

You know, get them wings out.

[Becky Lynch]

And then I went farm in her back. But we have seen a different cheap shots me tonight.

[Megan Morant]

We have seen a different side of Lyra. Did you. Did you think she had this in her, though?

[Becky Lynch]

No, I am aghast. I met the quiet, nice, polite girl. I said, look, listen to me. You like birds. I like birds. Let me take you under my wing.

[Big E]

That's a good. That's good. Weren't you swinging at her when she kicked you. How is that? I don't know if that's a cheap shot. If you're swinging at her.

[Becky Lynch]

I was going to give her a hug.

[Big E]

I was not. The context of the conversation you were having.

[Becky Lynch]

No, it's gonna give her a hook.

[Big E]

What were you doing? She brought up. I mean, I don't know if on holidays was. Is that's how she phrased your time off from wwe. I mean, we were.

[Becky Lynch]

I wasn't on holidays. I was doing important things. I was filming movies and TV shows.

[Big E]

Wow.

[Becky Lynch]

I'm looking after my. Because I'm also a great mother.

[Big E]

I heard about that. There's a.

[Becky Lynch]

You heard about that?

[Big E]

I don't know for a fact.

[Becky Lynch]

Evidence. Megan knows about this. Megan's a mother. She knows about this. You don't know anything about this.

[Megan Morant]

You don't know anything about being a mother. It's Mother's Day. Did you wish her happy Mother's Day? Did you thank Becky for taking out the trash and recycling?

[Big E]

Well, I don't know if she's. Because I'm not going to refer to superstars as trash or recycling. I don't think that's my place. I will. I mean, I hope. I hope you have a happy Mother's Day. Although Mother's Day's on Sunday. Saturday, you have your intercontinental championship match with Lyra Valkyria. Will that affect your Mother's Day if you don't walk home and see your family with that championship?

[Becky Lynch]

What do you mean if I don't?

[Big E]

Should you not win?

[Becky Lynch]

Why would I not win?

[Big E]

I mean, Lyra kicked you in the face tonight. She laid you out.

[Becky Lynch]

Cheap shot.

[Big E]

Oh, there's a. What are your thoughts on this? Because we're talking about, you know, how much credit that you're taking for the success of not only yourself, which, by the way, you're entitled to take all the credit for your success. It's an incredible journey that you've been on, but you're also taking a lot of credit for the women around you.

[Becky Lynch]

You're talking about the credit for anybody else.

[Big E]

You're not taking credit for anybody else.

[Becky Lynch]

I'm just taking credit for Lyra. Oh, I didn't take credit for anybody else. I don't want to claim anybody else.

[Big E]

No. Well, but you have it, like, in the same position.

[Becky Lynch]

They had a great year. Oh, what? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? They had a great year. Freaking women's world title revolved around some bloke with a dodgy looking Mustache. What are you talking about? They had a great year. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Oh, everybody had the best year of their life because I wasn't here yet. Because he couldn't compare me to. You can't compare yourself to the best, you know? Yeah, just like mediocre. And then like, oh, I'm the best at medio. Mediocrity is what they were saying. And then I come back and I'm like, lads, here's the best. And they go, oh, no, now I can't be the best anymore. And I'm going to complain about it and I'm going to go, oh, well, why won't you help me? Because this is a competitive sport, you idiots. What are you talking about? Me help you? It's not my job to help you. It's my job to beat you. I'm going to beat you, right? Why is this surprising? Like, oh, oh, Becky's figured out professional wrestling. You're stupid. She's going around here like a 20, 25 more skilled version of Coco Beware. You know, Sam, you'll get that reference.

[Sam Roberts]

The Birdman.

[Big E]

Yeah, of course. You know, I definitely got that. I appreciated it too. But when we talk about you. Yeah, I know.

[Becky Lynch]

It's a great reference, your moment of appreciation.

[Megan Morant]

It's about time, Sam.

[Big E]

I appreciate that. And we. I mean, you bringing up references to superstars from the past based on a lot of. Of what you said tonight. There's a meme, I don't know if you've seen it online, where there are those. Okay, well, on. On social, important things today.

[Megan Morant]

You're not gonna bring this up.

[Big E]

What? They've called you Becky Hogan before based on some of the, you know, behaviors that they perceive that you may have. I want to know if your feelings are.

[Becky Lynch]

I'm the bad guy, right? I'm the bad guy. All I've done is be lovely. To some people. Yeah, Like a few people. Like. Liar. Do you remember, do you remember when she. She didn't beat me, but she won in nxt. She won the. The NXT women's title. Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And.

[Becky Lynch]

So she beats me. Quick roll up. Very quick roll up. Like it wasn't. It wasn't a definitive win. She beat me with a very quick roll up. Do you know what I did afterwards? No, Because I'm such a great person. Raise her hand.

[Big E]

That's true. That's true.

[Becky Lynch]

Raise their hand. Because I'm. I'm that kind of a person. Well, does she do tonight? She kicks me in the face. Got a big lump here.

[Big E]

Yeah. I mean, when you talk.

[Becky Lynch]

Wonderful face on my wonderful face on my wonderful face. By the way, that's already been scarred. Look, my nose doesn't, like, sit perfectly straight anymore. My. Like, my shoulder is popping out. I've got scars on my arms. All of this because of what I've given to this industry. Like, I wear the scars of. Of what I've done on. On my body. I wear them. I wear them with pride because of all I've given back.

[Big E]

I.

[Becky Lynch]

And these people go around.

[Megan Morant]

They.

[Becky Lynch]

They compare me to the scummy person on earth after. After everything I've done. After everything that I've done for them.

[Big E]

No, I can see where that would bother me.

[Becky Lynch]

And I'm the bad. I'm the bad guy. I'm. I'm supposed to just sit here and take it. I'm supposed to go, oh. Oh, sorry. Even though I didn't do anything wrong, I. I broke through glass ceilings. I changed the game.

[Megan Morant]

In life. Lyra brought that up today. Breaking glass ceiling. She said that you left the glass on the ground, though. I mean, you have a solid relationship with a lot of the women in the locker room. Is that how you felt that you left the glass on the ground?

[Big E]

By the way, that's a very quiet locker room. I mean, I don't know how many. It doesn't seem like you're sharing space.

[Becky Lynch]

I have my assistant, too.

[Big E]

Okay.

[Megan Morant]

Is that how you felt, though, that there was. There was glass left on the ground? Is there any validity to what Lyra said?

[Becky Lynch]

You smash a ceiling, you leave some glass. You know, a resourceful person might take that glass, build a sculpture of me.

[Big E]

I think you're gonna go there, but that is. I guess that's a thing you could do. How did the. At what point do you go, oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna come back to wwe, and Bailey is gonna be a victim of mine. I've decided. Bailey is. You said. You said garbage was the word. Like, at what point did you realize Bailey is garbage? Like, I didn't realize that there was this level of resentment.

[Becky Lynch]

2013.

[Big E]

Really? Wow.

[Megan Morant]

That long?

[Becky Lynch]

Why. Why is anybody acting like me and Bailey are best friends? I've not liked that woman. Maybe, like, a month here and there. But then it's either I'm gonna turn on her or she's gonna turn on me, because we do not jail. We do not jail. She is not. She's not the example for the industry. No, she. She's one of those people where. Where this Is what's. What's happened. This is why I needed to take her out, because this is what Lyra is saying, like, oh, you didn't help me. Of course I didn't help you. Of course it's every woman. I. But I did help you. I. I did help you. No, I helped Lyra, but I didn't help everybody else, because of course I'm not going to help everybody else, because it's every woman for themselves. Do we not understand this? If I'm helping everybody, then everybody's like, I'm supposed to win. Like, my job is to win. You want me to take food off my child's plate, is what you're saying? No, because I will get paid more the better that I am. I'm not gonna. Why am I gonna help anybody else? Wait, this isn't. This isn't. This isn't show friends. This is show business. But, like, Bailey is so confused about this. She's probably paying $100 a month to her best friend to text her.

[Sam Roberts]

So.

[Megan Morant]

So 2013, since. Since you and Bailey. But was it Bailey helping Lyra? That was the final nail in the coffin that made you say I. I need to. To take matters into my own hands?

[Big E]

Yes.

[Becky Lynch]

Yes. And also, it's Wrestlemania. Like, let's be honest. Who cared about that much? Did you care? Are you going to say that you cared? I did really care. Like, that crowd. I was listening. They didn't really care until I came out. And then they cared. And then they were like, oh, yay, the man is back. That was one lady. She's back.

[Big E]

That was Megan.

[Becky Lynch]

That was also Megan. She said, my life is complete. The man has returned.

[Big E]

Yeah. I think people were a little taken aback that the. The. Then the. The switch. The turn, as it were, happened immediately after, like, I mean, one day into. The man is back. Now all of a sudden, the turn happens immediately. And you. You have this different attitude going forward. Why. Why such the quick lost? Huh?

[Becky Lynch]

She lost. I came back for. To win.

[Big E]

Right. I see.

[Becky Lynch]

I came back to help her win. I did do that. Helped her. And then she immediately loses. So I know now it's too late. She's. She's been compromised to a permanent end by baby.

[Big E]

Wow.

[Megan Morant]

I told you this last week. She has high standards. She didn't come back to lose.

[Big E]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And you're struggling to understand this.

[Becky Lynch]

Why am I gonna leave my child to lose?

[Big E]

No, you're right. I don't think that that's what I mean.

[Becky Lynch]

Would you leave your child to lose?

[Megan Morant]

Absolutely not.

[Big E]

Right. I mean, I have kids, too. Also, I think compromise to a permanent end means something different than what you said.

[Becky Lynch]

I mean, like, her goodness, this compromise.

[Big E]

I see. Okay. All right. That makes a lot more sense. Look, I mean, Becky, the fact of the matter is, regardless of. Of how people take what you're saying today, regardless of how people feel, you are on that list of the greatest of all time. You've done things nobody. Not only have you done things nobody's ever done, you've done things nobody thought one would ever do. And you do deserve credit for that. The question is, what does that look like when put in the context of today's women's division?

[Becky Lynch]

I could continue to do what I'm doing, be great. Okay, let's just beat all these younger people, these newer people.

[Big E]

Well, we'll see if it begins.

[Becky Lynch]

Not that hard, right? It's not that hard.

[Big E]

Right.

[Becky Lynch]

But for some reason, it seems to be hard. And it seems to be, like, harder on the women's division. Like, you look at the men's, like, who you got that's hot and young over there? No, you got a bunch of old lads. And nobody's saying nothing. Nobody's saying, like, oh, move over, move over, CM Punk, move over, Seth Wall. And nobody's saying that, but they'll say it to me. So who's the backup?

[Big E]

No, I mean, I get it.

[Becky Lynch]

I'm supposed to move over.

[Big E]

Look, I'm. I am a believer.

[Becky Lynch]

I'm gonna move over is to make way for more titles. So I'm gonna move over so I have more space to put my titles.

[Megan Morant]

In, more history to make.

[Big E]

I mean, it makes sense. And look, I don't think anybody should ever move out. You move over when somebody moves you over. And we'll see.

[Becky Lynch]

Nobody's moving me over.

[Big E]

That's the point. That's the point where you have Lyra Valkyria, Backlash, Becky Lynch. I can't tell you how much we appreciate you making time for us here on a very busy night. Joining us once again for Raw Recap. Thank you so much. And we do. We look forward to seeing this match for a myriad of reasons, at Backlash on Saturday.

[Megan Morant]

And happy Mother's Day.

[Becky Lynch]

Thank you. You, too.

[Big E]

Thank you, Becky.

[Megan Morant]

No, not you.

[Big E]

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[Megan Morant]

Well, Becky has, it's all about perspective, Sam. Right. And Becky's perspective on this is not.

[Big E]

Incorrect and it does somehow match your perspective.

[Megan Morant]

Well, you know, I'm a, I'm a supporter of the man. You said that. I'm the biggest Becky lynch fan that you've ever been around. Which is. Is high praise.

[Big E]

I wore my pants. Is that why you went pants shopping with Becky Lynch?

[Megan Morant]

Yes. We're wearing the same, same, same pants.

[Big E]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

But I do have to say I have enjoyed this side of Lyra. I didn't think Lyra had this in her.

[Big E]

Okay.

[Megan Morant]

And I was testing it out last week on the show. You brought it up. Get them wangs out. And as soon as their music hit, I Getting them wangs. Yeah, I was getting them wangs out. I'm really looking forward to this match between the two of them because I think we've seen a fire in Lyra.

[Big E]

Fanatics in WWE shop. Not done. I'll get them wangs out shirt yet.

[Megan Morant]

No, but they need to.

[Big E]

That's weird. That's strange to me. Yeah. And it's just Lyra, you know. Yeah. But I do think, to your point, that going microphone for microphone with Becky lynch is a dangerous game to play. I mean, you just saw her just there. There is no spot where she does not feel comfortable speaking publicly and does not own the room. To get out in an arena and go promo for promo with Becky lynch is. It's dangerous ground. And I think I'm with you in the sense that I go, like, I'm a big Lyra fan. And I go, I don't know. But two weeks in a row, she's come out and, like, nailed it, in my opinion.

[Megan Morant]

She has.

[Big E]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And when we talked to Becky, she just said she's like, no. When I knew Lyra, she was shy and quiet.

[Big E]

Even when she was like. I think my favorite part, because even in the delivery of this, it can get hokey. And it really didn't. It worked. When she goes, you're the first SmackDown women's champion and the first woman to main event WrestleMania and win. And the first women's intercontinental champion. Oh, wait. And holds it up. I'm like, hell yeah. Lyra.

[Megan Morant]

Her facial expression when she held it up with dominance.

[Big E]

Yeah. So you're looking forward to this one.

[Megan Morant]

Of course.

[Big E]

Right?

[Megan Morant]

I'm getting them wangs out.

[Big E]

You are, but. But Becky's your favorite wrestler.

[Megan Morant]

Becky is. I. I am team the man. But I am looking forward to watching Lyra, this new version of Lyra, step up into this moment.

[Big E]

Speaking of birds, I'm watching you like a hawk. Because I'm going to see. Because I think there are going to be moments in this match where Lyra is going to pick it up and you're going to get excited. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

[Megan Morant]

It's been Kind of a.

[Big E]

And I'll report on it here, by the way.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, it's been.

[Big E]

I'll sell you out.

[Megan Morant]

Roller coaster. Because I did say. I'm on the record of saying that of anybody on the roster the day after WrestleMania, I wanted to be Lyra Valkyria.

[Big E]

Because you want to be friends with Becky Lynch. That's the only reason you said that.

[Megan Morant]

That's it.

[Big E]

That's the only thing.

[Megan Morant]

Living out her dream and the whole.

[Big E]

Thing, but the dream mainly being friends with Becky Lynch. That was your perspective.

[Megan Morant]

I like the. You know, I like the fierceness of both of them. They're both fiery Irish women.

[Big E]

That's right.

[Megan Morant]

And I like that.

[Big E]

Yes, yes. Well, what?

[Megan Morant]

Fire.

[Big E]

A lot of fire. We also got a lot of fire in, I think, what some people thought was going to be the main event. I kind of did. Roxanne Perez. IO Sky. Great match. IO sneaks one in. And I mean, this is IO like, it doesn't always have to be this big grand ceremonial. Here's the ending of the match. If I can get your shoulders on the mat. One, two, three. Who's the winner? I'm the winner. I'm the winner. EO's the winner's the winner. Once again, that's all it has to be sometimes as long. Whatever we need to do to get to a result of IO pointing at herself with both fingers rapidly. That's what we do. That's how we retain champions.

[Megan Morant]

Can I just say that? IYo, Roxanne, the women's division has been on a terror. Last week, we got to see. We got to see them on nxt. We saw the tag team match, which was electric. If you didn't see it.

[Becky Lynch]

What?

[Megan Morant]

IO and Rhea Ripley and Julia got in the mix. Once again. Julia made her presence felt. I love seeing the domination. I love Iyo's rise. Yo. Someone a lot of people doubted before WrestleMania.

[Big E]

Well, I think they didn't doubt Iyo. They doubted that she would be put in the position that she's in, but she belongs there 100%. I think everybody knew Iyo was the best. I think people doubted whether she'd be put in that position. And once she was there, just because, you know, there's so many different elements here, whether she would really be the one. But every week. Every week you watch people in Omaha were pointing at their scars like. Like, it really is like, okay, we're going to give you the ball. Let's see what you got. And she's going all the way with it.

[Megan Morant]

And I was Surprised to see Roxanne Perez, someone who's had a bit of an attitude, shake Eos hand after the match.

[Big E]

Did they get you?

[Megan Morant]

They did.

[Big E]

I thought so. They got me, too. I'm going to be 100% honest with you. They got me too. I was like, yeah, don't do it, Iyo. And when they shook hands and they. And they left, I was like, look at Roxanne Perez.

[Megan Morant]

You must just be so thankful for the opportunity. It's been a big couple of months from her, you know, runner up at the Royal Rumble and now she's having main roster matches.

[Big E]

You can't be mad at everybody. Maybe you stay mad at Ria. Maybe you're mad at this one. Maybe IO you're not mad at. That wasn't meant to be. Because here comes Julia out of the blue just like her hair, and takes out Iyo Sky.

[Megan Morant]

Roxanne Perez always has tricks up her.

[Big E]

She really does have tricks up her sleeve. She got a lot of plans.

[Megan Morant]

The jackets that Roxanne Perez wears, absolute fire fanatics. Get us some Roxanne Perez jackets.

[Big E]

You like all the villainous women. You like Becky lynch, you like Roxanne Perez. You like a little attitude. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is.

[Megan Morant]

This, you know, maternal rage, maybe that.

[Big E]

Yeah, you know what? You got Mama bear syndrome in you now. You want to know that if push came to shove and somebody gotcha, that you'd be able to fire right back at him.

[Becky Lynch]

That's it.

[Big E]

Yeah, well, you know, I mean, we were celebrating Mother's Day with Becky Lynch. Kept mentioning it over and over again. And that's not the only place that is celebrating Mother's Day. And being that Mama Bear. You want to be a mama bear, you celebrate Mother's Day in WWE style. As a matter of fact, for the mom who runs the ring, I run. Becky lynch probably runs the ring. But you run, do run towards the.

[Megan Morant]

Ring for the mom that runs.

[Big E]

Right, right, right. That's it.

[Megan Morant]

Ring.

[Big E]

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[Megan Morant]

A nice mommy T shirt.

[Big E]

Whatever it is. Whatever it is. I mean, you know what they got up there?

[Megan Morant]

What do they have?

[Big E]

All the John Cena stuff ready for St. Louis for Smackdown and for Backlash. And, I mean, this stuff, it's, it's. I, I, I thought that his Fort Worth, Dallas merch was my favorite. It's like a, it's a, it's a whole gray look for St. Louis. It looks awesome. They have the shirt, they have the, you know, the whole package. The hat, the wristbands, the towel. Huh?

[Megan Morant]

Nice growl fit.

[Big E]

That's right. That's 100% right. They even have the custom championship. And I've seen these championships, they disappear, and these belt collectors go crazy for them. Get it while you can. Get all of the John Cena last time in St. Louis merch right now. All the Mother's Day stuff right now at WWE Shop. Thanks to fanatics. You won't regret doing it. But I will tell you, when we speak of the women's division, part of me is weary because I realized only this week that the judgment Day locker room did not appear how I wanted it to appear. And that's because I forgot that Liv is out in Hollywood.

[Megan Morant]

Yes. She's a big star now.

[Big E]

And Dirty Dom is sitting there hungry. Nobody brought him. There was not one platter of chicken tenders in there.

[Megan Morant]

And he is a gorgeous man. To just leave him.

[Big E]

Oh, are you thinking that live might have trouble? Dom's very loyal.

[Becky Lynch]

Is he?

[Big E]

It's very loyal.

[Megan Morant]

We saw what he did to Rio Ripley. You call that loyal?

[Big E]

I think she did that to him. I don't remember every detail.

[Megan Morant]

I remember it pretty clear.

[Big E]

You do?

[Becky Lynch]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

There was a hotel key. There was, you know, some.

[Big E]

I thought Finn Balor had that hotel. Well, whatever. I mean, that got very complicated. And as relationships do sometimes. Dominic's a very loyal guy. People love him.

[Megan Morant]

Recently. People do love him.

[Big E]

You were at WrestleMania with me. People love him. But look, I'm sitting there. Not only is he, you know, having to deal with Finn Balor on his own, which, by the way, Finn Balor repping a Dirty Dom T shirt, which he probably got a WWE shop from fanatics. I mean, all seems well in that world. Seems well. But I realized that Dom now has to defend the intercontinental title against Penta at Backlash. No live.

[Megan Morant]

It's going to be a problem for him.

[Big E]

I think it's going to be a problem. Well, I want to, I want to break down everything going on at backlash. And I think we need, let's get some help in here. Let's get some. Because what's better than some analysis? More analysis. So let's welcome our next guest to Raw recap. Guys, if you give me a second. You gotta love a smash burger, right? When it's done absolutely perfectly, I'm talking the flavor is perfect, the texture is perfect. Everything perfect except for me. I could never figure out how to get them done at home. I'd always have to go out, find some place that does them. They get super expensive. It was ridiculous. All I want to do is impress my family and be able to make the best smash burgers in my home. And now thanks to Omaha Steaks, it's all possible. Omaha Steaks delivered smash burgers right to my door. I'm talking about pre smashed. I'm talking about 100% extra age beef that won't fall apart when you flip them. That's the key, right? You try to do them yourself, you flip them, they go all over the place. It's a mess. Your kids are looking over your shoulder. They know, they know. You don't know now. Now you know you're having company. Make it yourself. They're going to be blown away. Plus the convenience, the convenience is like no other. It shows up right, right to your door. It's right there. You're sitting there. I there are nights, I'm starving. What am I going to do for dinner tonight? Am I going to go on and order food? No, I remember I go into the freezer. Omaha Steaks delivered. I'm going to make some chicken. I'm going to make some smash burgers. I'm going to make whatever I need and it is going to be the top quality. It is going to be absolutely delicious. And you know it's going to be perfect because this is what Omaha Steaks does. Top quality, most delicious meats right to your door all the time. Omaha steaks has been America's original butcher since 1917. A family owned company with over 100 years in the meat industry. And now you get to benefit from all of that. Get ready to smash expectations with the new Omaha Steaks Smash burgers. Visit Omaha Omaha steaks.com smash and order the built for the grill pack with 16 free smash burgers. That's 16 free Omaha steaks. Smash burgers at Omaha steaks.com smash see site for details. Yes, Biggie is here with us to help us continue to break down not only everything that we saw on Monday night raw but everything that we're looking forward to seeing at Backlash. And e. I mean, you. I would love to hear your take on what you saw between Pat McAfee and Gunther. I mean, it felt like. It felt like very real tension to me and a very real, very interesting way to look at that sort of celebrity inclusion. Because as much as Pat is a celebrity outside of the wrestling world, I think that the wrestling world has kind of done the rare thing where they. We have accepted him as one of our own. So you have this interesting thing where there is that shared history with him and Gunther. Except I don't know if he. If he loves this like Gunther loves this.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, you know, it was interesting to hear Pat talk about, like growing up loving this and wanting to do this, you know? You know, he. Obviously his claim to fame was being in the NFL, but obviously this is something that is a huge passion of his as well. But, you know, it's so interesting because I feel like in many ways they're on opposite ends of the spectrum. Obviously, Gunther sees this more as a sport and I think Pat leans into more of the entertainment. But ultimately they both love this. They both have a passion for this. And that was clear. Obviously, you know, Pat comes out and cuts a hell of a promo, ingratiates himself with the people of Omaha, does a fantastic job with that. But I thought he put some real stakes on the match at Backlash as well and talked about what it meant for him and also what this means for Gunther. I think Gunther is at a huge crossroads. And that's why I think we're going to see such an intense version of Gunther. I think we're going to see the killer that we're used to and even on a higher level, because Gunther cannot afford to lose this match. If Gunther loses this match, think of where we saw Gunther. The height of this guy who holds titles for 700 days, who is going to be a world champion many times over. And this is not to take anything away from Pat, but Pat has his hands in so many different pots right now. Look, I don't know how the guy gets any sleep. I know he has a wife, he has a kid, he is jet setting everywhere. We're talking about college football, all his business endeavors. He has his own show that he just had a month or so ago in Pittsburgh. I think he's spread thin and sitting at the announce desk. He does a wonderful job with that. But that's very different from what Gunther does on a daily basis, training in the gym. He dedicates himself to this. And I'M not saying that Gunther doesn't have those other obligations as well. Obviously, we know about his wife and his kid, and obviously, you know, I assume he's a dutiful husband and family man as well. But Gunther has trained himself for these moments.

[Megan Morant]

He.

[Sam Roberts]

This is his whole life's work. And I think that he's going to make a statement on Saturday. I think this is not merely about winning a match. This is not merely about showing Pat who's better or who's worse. This is about making a statement for the direction of his career. If he doesn't have that moment where he puts Pat down, the mystique of Gunther really takes a big hit. Tari, you know, we got the chance of him tapping out, and that's got to be embarrassing for a guy who holds himself with such esteem to be reminded of his loss. And again, it's not just losing, but sometimes it's the way you lose. And to submit to someone who is not known as a submission expert and then to lose, as incredible as an athlete as Pat is, to lose to a commentator would be devastating for Gunther.

[Big E]

Yeah, I mean, I would argue irrecoverable for Gunther. I mean, it's like, how do you continue on? Like, now you're just kind of a member of the roster. And I don't. I think Gunther, if he's not Gunther, I don't know who that guy is. If he's not the guy that wins almost every match, if he's not the guy who's a champion, 80% of the time he's on the roster, then I don't know who he is or. Or what place he would have. I mean, I think he goes. Honestly, I think it goes further even than what you said about having to win. Because you're right, ultimately, Pat's role in the WWE full time, even though he's an athlete, even though he's a big guy, he is a commentator, and Gunther is the guy that was just holding the World Heavyweight Championship. I think Gunther's gotta hurt Pat. I mean, I think Gunther, especially because Pat brings up Jay and he brings up Sammy. Those are the two big blemishes on the biggest stage that Gunther has. So not only does he bring up the two losses, he said he was soft now.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Big E]

You know what I mean? And he said. He said that he was, without saying the word, complacent. He basically said that Gunther had become complacent because he's now been here. He's not hungry for this anymore. And I kind of Feel like if. And then Gunther responded by saying, don't worry, I'm going to be focused on you and only you. Like, you have no idea the amount of focus that I'm going to put on you. Which, by the way, dude, was the most terrifying thing I've maybe ever heard Gunther, I've heard him say, I think Gunther's gotta hurt him. I think Gunther has to put Pat McAfee down in a way that Pat realizes that his career is talking into a microphone and only talking into a microphone.

[Megan Morant]

Well, you just said it. It's sometimes the way you lose or the way you win in Gunter's case. And he needs to make a statement.

[Big E]

Dominant.

[Sam Roberts]

Absolutely. Yeah. And I think he has the same mindset, too. I think the way he's carried himself, I think he feels the same way. He's not just here to win a wrestling match. He's here to make a statement that he belongs at the very top. And I, you know, win, lose or draw, I don't really know where Gunther goes from here. I'm not used to a Gunther who is not in the world title picture consistently. I don't. I don't know what to. I mean, even when he held the Intercontinental Championship, it felt like a guy who inevitably was going to be a world champion. And we look at the raw roster and it is stacked with guys who deserve to be in that world title picture. So I don't know where he goes from this, but I do know that if he doesn't, and I agree with you both, absolutely, he has to dominate, he has to hurt Pat, he has to send a message not only to the fans that he is not soft, but to the locker room, that he is not just here to be a mid Carter who is just there to have matches. He's there to set a legacy. And I know Gunther, for him, it's all about that. It's all about having the biggest names on his resume that he has beaten to prove that he is one of the greatest to ever do it. And I think with that mindset, I think he's going to come out to try to leave Pat. You know, it might. We might see a stretcher on Saturday. We really. It might get ugly.

[Big E]

He wants. I think he wants it to affect his ESPN gig. I think that he want. And what better. What better for a wrestler to have the world going. Why does Pat look like that on espn? And the world knows it's because there's this big Austrian that beat him within an inch of his life in St. Louis. Over the weekend. I mean, yeah, tell me this. He. What do you want to see as somebody who watches as a. Going back to being a fan? Because when you watch, no matter what our role is, we're all fans when, when we're watching. And if the match is good, it turns us into fans. What do you want to see happen?

[Sam Roberts]

I look, I know Pat comes in, cuts an incredible promo. He's so charismatic, but I want to see a gritty Pat. I want to see a Pat who is there to, you know, life and limb to throw the whole kitchen sink at Gunther. I want to see a match. I don't think we're going to get something akin to the Hell in a Cell with Drew and Punk, but I want to see something gritty, man. If we see blood spurting, I'm okay with that, but I think that's what the match calls for. Look, to put your hands on. And again, as much as I talk of Gunther, obviously he crossed the line putting his hands on Michael Cole. We all talk for a living, even me as someone who is used to. And I spent what, 13, 14 years in the ring in WWE. That was a part of my career. But now that's not my job. My job is now to talk about what I see. And none of us should have hands put on us whatsoever. So I think what Pat is doing is very, very noble. No one should put their hands on Michael Cole. But Gunther's got to make a statement. I want to see something vicious. I don't want to see. Honestly, I would love a no DQ match. I would love to see maybe we take the ropes down. I want to see a fight. I want to see a bloody, intense, gritty fight. That's what I think this calls for, and that's what I think Gunther needs to get his momentum back. And I think, look, Pat is such a great athlete, and we got to see that in nxt, him doing stuff with, with Adam Cole jumping off the rope. Stuff that I, I. You look at the man and, you know, he played in the NFL, but you don't quite understand the level of athlete he is. So I, I want to see Pat, you know, throughout his athleticism as well. But bring your hard hat, man. Bring your hard hat. Get, you know, say goodbye, kiss, kiss the wife and the kid and, and be ready to brawl.

[Big E]

What do you want to see, Megan? What do you want to see?

[Megan Morant]

What do I want, want? I want to see Pat McAfee make his entrance with Michael Cole. Because I was touched, like, I was honestly touched when he Was talking about how much Michael Cole means to him. 28 years, only missing three days. And that's why Pat McAfee is in this situation with Gunter. Right, because he's fighting on behalf of Michael Cole in a way. Right?

[Big E]

Yeah. But if Cole does that, if he's the representative, if he's in the manager role, he. He's got to somehow squeeze his way back into that orange singlet.

[Megan Morant]

That is what I want to see. I want to see Gunther domination.

[Big E]

He's saying, no Gunther domination.

[Megan Morant]

But Michael Cole in the. In the.

[Big E]

In the. Squeeze back into that Syracuse orange singlet.

[Megan Morant]

Yes. We need him in the singlet. And I would like him to make his entrance with Pat McAfee.

[Sam Roberts]

Look, Nicole's been working hard in the gym. God bless him. Anytime I see him in the gym, I am. I am impressed. But we don't wait, Please retire the singlet. I hope someone burned that word singlet. I was on the roster at the time. It was not pretty. And you know what? Cole likes to. On the panel, he likes to jive me and Wade, because Wade and I have never won a match at WrestleMania. I think we're 0 and 10 between the two of us, and somehow Cole and Pat are undefeated at WrestleMania. So let's. Let's. We don't need to inflate his ego anymore. Look, Cole is the goat behind the desk. Let's keep them there. Yeah, no more singlets, please.

[Big E]

Is there ever been. Go back before. Before you were. You were in this role as a broadcaster when you were a wrestler. Was there ever a time that somebody got a little too fresh behind a microphone, somebody got a little too comfortable? Whether it's like a commentator or even when you're not doing, you know, 150 interviews a day, whatever you're doing, Was there ever a time where you're like, man, this guy is very lucky that I'm a professional, because there is nothing that I'd like to do more than put my hands on this human being right now.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, absolutely, man. That definitely happens. I'm not gonna name names, but I can think of instances, especially around. Around 2014, when the new day was starting. Look, we. We took a lot of flack from people, and. And I think, obviously, you know, fans know a bit of the hardships of what it takes to. To go through nxt, to go through the Indies. Some of us. I. I didn't have to go to the Indies, but so many of us, you know, grind on the Indies, then go to developmental, and then get caught up to the main roster. I don't think people truly understand the amount of work and effort. All the things that you have to deal with on a regular basis. You know, sometimes having to get up at 4am to do media and then wrestle a three segment match the same day. This job is a grind. And when you, when you have someone who is, has either never been in the ring or was in the ring, last time they were in the ring was 15, 20 years ago and their stomach is sticking out over their belly and they don't, they don't put the work in that we do. Not here to body shame but when you know like the physical toll, the mental toll that you put yourself through and someone is going to be disrespectful and look, I think we, and this is something I always try to be cognizant of now is I think the audience wants us. There has to be a level of trust in that we're going to deliver honest takes. You know, obviously we, we work for wwe. We're not here to disparage others. But there needs to be a level of honesty with the audience and, but also a level of professionalism and respect. And I have so much respect for any of the talent that we see on Raw who put their bodies to like this is obviously I've been through, you know, some of the worst of it with the neck, but there are real risks in what we do. And regardless of whether I think people are ready for big spots or I think, you know, they're struggling a little bit, I always think that it's our job to have respect for the athletes that we see on TV from time to time, even if we don't like them to have respect. Because what, what we put our bodies and minds through really is a lot more than people realize.

[Big E]

Well, we got backlash, of course, on Saturday. This is where we're going to see Gunther and Pat McAfee. I know you're going to be on that Countdown show. Megan and I will be here on the backlash recap. Yeah, we were talking before you got here about Becky and Lyra. We had Becky on the show shot out of a cannon. I mean this, she, she had a lot to say. How do you see Becky and Lyra going first?

[Sam Roberts]

I, I'm so glad we got to this because I really wanted to talk about this. I have to applaud Lyra for the steps she's taken in just a few short weeks. Man, she has the intensity she brings. Not just physically like she's, she's always been ever since she's come on the main roster, I've been so impressed with her in the ring. I think she's so talented. Very, very talented. But seeing the fire she brought on the mic, seeing her not back down to Becky, I have to applaud her because I have seen real growth in just a few short weeks with Lyra. But, man, I as much, Becky is a close friend of mine, has been for a long time. I think Lyra holds on to her title. I love this version of Lyra. She's hungry, and it is. I'm not saying Becky is not complacent by any means. She's. She's. I think you could. There's a very strong argument. Sports Illustrated said it. A lot of people would argue she is the greatest women's wrestler in WWE history, and she has a very valid claim to that. But when you look at someone like Lyra, I remember what it was like to be in nxt, to watch your heroes or the people doing Hollywood movies, you know, main eventing WrestleMania, and, you know, like, I want to be there, and it is so hard. Getting there is hard, but staying there and staying hungry, getting to the top and always having that fire is difficult. And I think Lyra realizes the opportunity she has in front of her to make a name for herself. She beats Becky lynch to retain her title, and she has an opportunity to be mentioned amongst the greats one day, and I think she has that fire. And I. I am loathe to ever bet against Becky, but I'm a big fan of this version of Lyra. Just in a few weeks, I think Becky's brought the best out of her, and I think we're gonna see that at Backlash.

[Megan Morant]

Well, Sam and I are trying this new thing. We'll see if you can. You can give it a little steam on the Countdown show when Lyra does her entrance and it goes bum, bum, bum. Sam and I yell, get them wangs out.

[Big E]

Get them wangs out.

[Megan Morant]

Get them wangs.

[Big E]

Get them wangs out.

[Megan Morant]

So just try it. I don't know, maybe bring it up on the Countdown show. See if. See if it.

[Big E]

I just. I just added that, you know, like, flying anywhere. You know what I mean?

[Sam Roberts]

I don't. I don't know if it's quite catchy enough. I. I love the direction. I love what you're thinking.

[Megan Morant]

We're working on it.

[Big E]

Yeah, yeah. Workshopping.

[Sam Roberts]

Exactly.

[Big E]

Perfect. Perfect.

[Megan Morant]

We're with you on Lyra. We're big fans of.

[Big E]

That's. That's what it's all about ultimately, you know, how do. What do you think is going to happen when Penta realizes that Dominic Mysterio is just too great a force to overcome?

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, don't you disrespect Pent up. Don't you do it. Don't you do it. I am so excited. I love that this match got added to the show in St. Louis at Backlash. I don't know where. I don't know how to call this one. This feels like a coin flip, double sided coin. Yes. Your love for Dom is a little. It's a little unsettling. But I will say, man, the reception on the post show, just of all the things that stick out in my mind at WrestleMania, when Dominic Mysterio came on the set at the post show, it was like Michael Jackson reincarnated. It was like, you know, he could have been moonwalking. It was, it, it was incredible. I am telling you, the reception, those people love him. And, and man, Dom has so much momentum right now. It's hard to bet against him. But I, I am such a fan of Penta and what Pen is doing. I, again, it's hard to say where this one goes. We're gonna get. I think we're gonna get a great match. Dom has improved so much. I can't stop talking about his improvement from when I first saw him a few years ago in the Thunderdome era. And seeing his growth has really been incredible. I don't know which way this one goes. Gun to my head, I think Dom retains. You know, I don't like it though. You know, but, you know, underhanded means, though.

[Megan Morant]

But there's no Morgan.

[Sam Roberts]

There is no Liv Morgan. But there is still a judgment day. He's. He's got a whole. He's got Carlito, he's got Mr. Big Head. He's got a lot of people who could run out. And it's this, it's a lot.

[Big E]

He could win in the middle of the Sahara with nobody around him. Okay. This is. Is Dominic Mysterio that we're talking. I mean, you think Penta's got a shot?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, I do.

[Big E]

Yeah. I didn't even. You didn't believe yourself when you said.

[Megan Morant]

Do you see that entrance?

[Big E]

The entrance is fantastic. It's unbelievable. And by the way, Penta against anybody else, I'm probably going for Penta.

[Megan Morant]

Penta overcame the judgment day and Chad Gable.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm over.

[Big E]

I'm. Look, I'm a big Penta fan. Dominic Mysterio we're talking about, okay? It's generational said, so what, what do.

[Sam Roberts]

You think Dom ceiling is then? Are you saying future world champion? Easily, what do you think?

[Big E]

Absolutely. Future world champion. Yeah. You heard him. You heard him. And people want to believe. Oh, we're just joking around. We're just goofing. He is only getting better and better and better. He wins the Intercontinental Championship, the stadium goes crazy for him. This guy is one of those guys that you first think, I don't know, but he's raised kids, so we'll give him the benefit of the doubt because we love Ray. Then it's like, okay, we'll keep watching because it's kind of funny, you know, the prison thing. Then it's like, oh, I don't know, some of these NXT matches are kind of good, but I'm kind of getting it. I mean, you know, dude, you cannot, and this is for real, you can't maintain momentum like he's maintained it by mistake. It doesn't happen.

[Sam Roberts]

I agree. Yeah, I don't know if I agree with, with the world title or bust, but. But what I do agree with is the growth is undeniable and he is legitimately very good in the ring. But let's not discount what Pen has done already. In a few short months on the main roster, Penta is definitely going to hold a title. Many titles, I think in wwe. So I'm excited for this match. I think it'll be a lot of fun.

[Big E]

I would agree.

[Megan Morant]

Same. I'll give you credit. I mean, you've been on this, Dom, as world champion since his present days.

[Big E]

Yeah, you were the first since the jump. As soon as he got out of the clink. As soon as he got out. As soon as he got out. But another, another bandwagon that I've been on for a long time is somebody who's defending the United States Championship against three people. He's defending against La Knight, he's defending against Drew McIntyre. He's defending against Damian Priest, Jacob Fa2. I mean, for me, I feel like as big of a match as this is, as like insane as that lineup of challengers is, this is like the biggest coming out party. Welcome, world. I mean, I don't even think we need to debate the future world champion potential of Jacob Fatu.

[Megan Morant]

I just want to bet the over on moonsaults.

[Big E]

Yeah, that is what I want to.

[Megan Morant]

Do for this match because I need to see as many moonsaults as are possibly allowed from Jacob Fatu.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I'm with you. I am such a massive Jacob fan, but he's Also in that match with so many former world champions, with guys who I think will be world champion again, this, this match is really, really stacked. But man, I, I'm with you. I could sing the praises of Jacob Fatu forever, and seeing the way that people have taken to him has been incredible. But to see a man of his size move, the way he does his confidence on the microphone, he's an original, he's a one of one. That dude is different, man. He has built different and I don't know what his ceiling is. World champions, that's coming, I promise you. World championship is coming. But again, I think the same when I think of Drew, I think a guy like Drew is so ready to be back in that world title picture. Yeah, I watched what he's done the last year or so. The match with Damian was so physical at WrestleMania, man, I love this match so much. I think we're going to get a barn burner of a match. But it is very, very difficult for me to bet against Jacob Fatu. I think this is his year. I think when we look at the end of the year, I think Jacob Fatu will be our, at least our male breakout star of the year. Not that he's already broken out, but I think he's poised to have maybe the best year on the roster. He, I, this man is incredible.

[Big E]

I love that take. And then talk about like a year ago even. There's no way John Cena versus Randy Orton. The idea John Cena versus Randy Orton. Good guy Randy Orton, bad guy John Cena. Just the idea that we're getting John Cena versus Randy Orton. I mean, I feel like for this one, for me, it's almost like just sit back and process the fact that we're in this world where backlash in 2025 is headlined by John Cena and Randy Orton.

[Sam Roberts]

Man, I'm just hit with a wave of nostalgia because it reminds me of when I first came up. I got signed in 2009 and I feel like those my early few years in fcw, it was seeing Randy and John go at it time and time again, have such a classic rivalry. And it's funny, I saw, I think, a tweet where Jon talked about Dave Baudista and Randy Orton switching bodies because Dave slimmed down these days, still looks great, very spelt. But my goodness, Randy is massive. On tv. You see this man in person. He is gar. It is incredible. And he's still lean, he's still massive, but he's going to be home in St. Louis and this might be the very last time that we see Randy Orton at a Ple in St. Louis. He's in the main event against John Cena. And look, a lot of people would argue is Cena slowing down? Is he physically not what he was many years ago? And you know, Randy's dealt with the, the back surgery but man, this version of Randy I think is still moving really well. He still looks like he has a lot in the tank. I it is hard to fathom John Cena losing his world title anytime soon, but if anyone can do it, it's Randy Orton. And I'm, you know, 23, 24 year old me. It's feeling very nostalgic seeing those two in a ring once again. So that is going to be a treat, a nice send off, maybe the last time we ever see those two in a ring again.

[Big E]

Yeah, I think so. And look, before we let you go, man, there was more than one big E in your orbit. I saw it on social media. Biggie for engagement. Congratulations to Biggie and the future Mrs. E. This is very exciting. And you guys, Lucky lady. Lucky lady.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm the lucky one. I'm the lucky one. No, she's amazing. As someone you know, there is hope for all of you who never think you'll find your person. I was that person for a very, very long time. I didn't think love was on the docket for me but it is the best thing when you fall in love with your best friend and get to share life with someone. It is very, very beautiful. So I'm very thankful for this journey. So thank you both for those lovely words.

[Big E]

Amazing. Biggie again, congratulations and thank you for, for blessing us with your presence once more here on raw. Recap.

[Sam Roberts]

I appreciate you guys.

[Big E]

Of course, anytime. Megan, you and I will be back here on Saturday mornings out getting them wangs out after backlash. After backlash. It's going to be very, very exciting.

[Megan Morant]

I'm a little worried because he just summed it up perfectly. Cena Orton main event. But Cena's ruining wrestling and I don't want to get too excited to have my heart broken.

[Big E]

No, that's a good call. That's probably the best way you can go in is with trepidation. I think that's what you have to realize. This new John Cena, it's hustle, loyalty, respect and for us, a massive amount of trepidation. We'll see what he's got for us. We'll be back here. Make sure you're subscribed across all audio platforms. Make sure you're watching us on the WWE YouTube channel, leaving comments, hitting like telling all your friends, we'll see you after backlash. Have a good one, everybody.