Brock Lesnar DISMANTLES Oba Femi in SHOCKING return | Raw Recap

Summary

WWE Now – Raw Recap: Brock Lesnar DISMANTLES Oba Femi in SHOCKING Return

Podcast: WWE Now
Host(s): Sam Roberts, Megan Morant
Guest: Ethan Page
Original Air Date: May 19, 2026

Episode Overview

This action-packed episode of WWE Now dives into the biggest shocks and storyline pivots from the latest Monday Night Raw. The focus is the sensational return of Brock Lesnar, who destroyed reigning phenom Oba Femi, sending shockwaves through WWE. Hosts Sam Roberts and Megan Morant break down the surprise, debate its implications, and explore the chaos now defining Raw as injuries, open challenges, and power games upend the status quo. The episode features a revealing, tense interview with Ethan Page, deep discussion on Roman Reigns, Jacob Fatu, and the nature of legacy, all while previewing the jam-packed upcoming Saturday Night’s Main Event card.

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1. Brock Lesnar’s Shocking Return: Dismantling Oba Femi

[03:00–12:30]

• Sam and Megan relive the jaw-dropping moment when Brock Lesnar returned to answer Oba Femi’s Open Challenge—interrupting Oba’s own entrance and delivering FOUR consecutive F5s.
  • “Here comes Brock Lesnar… right between Oba's legs, you see another massive frame entering the scene… F5. Picking him up again. F5. Four F5s in a row. Nobody saw this coming.” – Sam [04:13]
• The hosts reflect on the collective disbelief, both among talent and fans, that Lesnar would come out of a seemingly poetic WrestleMania 42 retirement with such brutality and immediacy.
  • “Brock has this unbelievably poetic send off at WrestleMania 42... Thank you, Brock. I can’t—I just realized my 9-year-old son, as much as he was booing Brock Lesnar, he cried when Brock left. Wait till... I don’t even know how he’s gonna react when he sees Brock show up on Monday Night Raw.” – Sam [06:03]
  • “This is to the point…I was having a conversation with another wrestling fan... so happy that we got to see Brock go out in that manner.” – Megan [06:54]
• They analyze the narrative pivot: Previously, Oba had the upper hand over Brock in every confrontation, culminating in Oba beating Brock decisively at WrestleMania, only for the roles to reverse spectacularly on Raw.
  • “At no point in the build up to WrestleMania did Brock Lesnar get the best of Obafemi.” – Sam [09:05]
  • “Obafemi puts most people in a deep sleep… Not Brock Lesnar.” – Megan [10:42]
• The speculation: Did Brock really intend to retire, or was this always in the cards—a masterstroke from Paul Heyman? The poetic nature of Lesnar’s return adds to his mythical status.
  • “That was Leo from Wolf of Wall Street: ‘I’m not leaving!’” – Sam [07:08]
  • “...If Brock was aware he’d be back... then you’re talking Daniel Day Lewis, okay? Because I believed everything Brock was doing.” – Sam [09:47]

Memorable Quote:
“Obafemi is not a superhero. Brock Lesnar...looking at him going, yeah, dude, that’s what I do, and that’s what I’ve been doing for over 20 years.” – Sam [11:32]

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2. Paul Heyman’s Chess Mastery, Adam Pearce’s Paperwork, and the Looming Favor

[05:07–13:20]

• Discussion shifts to Heyman’s intricate power plays and the apparent “game” he’s still playing, especially compared to Adam Pearce’s flustered inability to control retirement or firing processes.
  • “Leave it to Paul Heyman... I’m not—that’s not a game I’m willing to play with Paul Heyman. Ever, ever, ever.” – Sam [06:03]
• The “favor” supposedly owed by Heyman is questioned and ultimately revealed to be a red herring, distracting fans from the real looming event: Brock’s reluctance to let Oba Femi have the last word.
  • “But all the speculation of favor looming also goes away. That’s when it was really like, oh, this Brock Lesnar thing is over. But you didn’t realize what was looming.” – Sam [08:14]
• Adam Pearce is lampooned for his powerless authority, confusion over paperwork, and inability to keep up with Heyman’s maneuvers.
  • “So far, on one night, Adam Pierce can’t fire anybody, and he can’t file retirement paperwork... I fail to see to what degree Adam Pearce is actually holding any significant power.” – Sam [12:02]

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3. Raw Power Struggles and the Road to Clash in Italy

[13:20–18:30]

• The collision of monstrous egos and shifting alliances is mapped out: Gunther and Cody Rhodes are set for WWE Championship drama (with Heyman’s behind-the-scenes machinations integral to the build), and a rematch between Brock and Oba Femi appears imminent for Clash in Italy.
  • “Paul Heyman pulls out this contract... it’s already signed by Brock Lesnar... just waiting for Obafemi’s name for Clash in Italy.” – Sam [16:56]
• The hosts speculate that with Lesnar now the “hunter” (as opposed to his role at WrestleMania), the dynamic of the rematch will be radically altered.
  • “When oba walked into WrestleMania, he was answering Brock Lesnar’s open challenge... Now, Brock is answering Obafemi’s. So what does that make Brock Lesnar? ...He’s the hunter.” – Sam & Megan [17:41–18:03]
• The card for Clash in Italy is hyped as “absurdly” stacked with headline-worthy matches.

Memorable Quote:
“This is the one... the idea that those three matches could all be at Clash in Italy, that’s insane. The card is ridiculous.” – Sam [17:09]

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4. Roman Reigns, Jacob Fatu, and The Bloodline’s Civil War

[22:16–36:14]

• The complex saga of Roman Reigns and Jacob Fatu continues, with Adam Pearce powerless to fire Jacob due to Roman’s administrative veto.
  • “The reason Adam Pearce has not fired Jacob Fatu is because Roman says you can’t yet.” – Sam [23:06]
• Tensions among The Usos, Jacob, and Roman explode. The hosts discuss the potent charisma of Jacob Fatu (“the only authentic use of ‘punk ass’ on TV,” [26:48]) and the combustible dynamic within The Bloodline.
• Jay Uso’s volatility, Jimmy’s peacemaking, and Jacob’s dominance illustrate the fractures in the family, culminating in a chaotic brawl where Fatu applies the Tongan Death Grip to Jay and Roman, only to be ultimately subdued by The Bloodline—thanks to the numbers game.
  • “Jay hits Jacob in the back with a steel chair. And... nothing.” – Sam [28:55]
  • “Jacob is acting like a total killer here... Roman comes out. And just the stare of Roman Reigns stops Jacob dead in his tracks.” – Megan [29:08]
• The logic and stipulation of Tribal Combat for Clash in Italy are set; hosts debate whether Jacob will acknowledge Roman or be forced out if he fails to win the gold.
  • “Tribal combat is going to allow a lot to go down.” – Sam [36:12]

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5. Interview Segment: Ethan Page on Ego, Confidence, and the Intercontinental Championship

[41:16–55:56]

• All Ego Ethan Page joins for a sharp, often combative interview. He clarifies the distinction between ego and confidence and expresses deep reverence for the Intercontinental Title—but none for its past holders.
  • “This is not ego. This is... I believe wholeheartedly... I have been documented saying that I already believe that I am good enough to be the World Heavyweight champion. I have chosen to go after the Intercontinental Championship out of respect to its lineage.” – Ethan Page [42:43]
• He criticizes Penta’s “zero fear” mantra, arguing it’s bad advice for fans and children.
  • “Imagine living your life with zero fear. That’s stupid. I send my kids out... with a worry. Be careful. Head on a swivel. That’s how you survive.” – Ethan Page [46:48]
• Ethan Page is blunt about not respecting his peers, only the opportunity titles afford, and hints that he may rebrand the title should he win it.
  • “I don’t respect the wrestlers. I respect what the championship did for them. I’m going to do it better.” – Ethan Page [51:02]
• The segment is full of sarcasm and testy back-and-forth, as Page calls out Sam for not letting Megan talk, and repeatedly swats down attempts at “sportsmanship.”
• Ethan’s philosophy is summed up: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend... everyone in this building is an enemy, so when they’re in the room with me, they’re my friend.” [56:17]

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6. Main Event Fallout: Seth Rollins, Street Profits, and The Vision

[58:09–61:52]

• Seth Rollins issues a challenge to The Vision, targeting Bron Breakker, but Paul Heyman manipulates events so Rollins faces Austin Theory in the main event.
• Post-match chaos ensues: Dawkins helps Rollins but is blindsided, forcing Montez Ford to come out reluctantly—and he too is speared by Breakker. The Street Profits’ misgivings about Rollins (“trouble follows this guy!”) are vindicated.
  • “Everything that Montez Ford says about Seth Rollins and problems following him, he’s not wrong.” – Sam [61:06]
• LA Knight’s antagonistic interjections are noted—he refuses to help Rollins or the Usos, hyping himself up as an unpredictable wild card going forward.

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7. Women’s Division: Becky Lynch vs. Sol Ruka, Tag Titles & Six-Woman Tag Hype

[66:57–77:50]

• Sol Ruka issues a direct challenge to Becky Lynch, despite an 0–2 record since arriving on Raw, leading Megan and Sam to sneer at her bravado.
• Becky accepts—but refuses to put her Intercontinental Title on the line, arguing Sol hasn’t earned the shot.
  • “To Becky’s point, this generation, you have to work to earn these opportunities. The fact that she’s getting in the ring with the greatest female wrestler of all time is the opportunity in and of itself.” – Megan & Sam [71:04]
• The hosts discuss Becky’s “star maker, star breaker” line and the repercussions for the women’s division.
• Saturday’s card is further fleshed out:
  • Becky Lynch vs. Sol Ruka (non-title)
  • Women’s Tag Team Title: Paige & Brie Bella (defending) vs. Lash Legend & Nia Jax
  • Six-Woman Tag: Charlotte Flair, Rhea Ripley & Alexa Bliss vs. Jade Cargill, B-Fab & Meechin
  • Intercontinental Title: Penta vs. Ethan Page
  • Tag Team Title: The Vision vs. The Street Profits

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8. Saturday Night’s Main Event Preview

[72:31–76:49]

• Sam and Megan run through the full card, offering predictions and analyzing potential show-stealers.
• They spotlight the surging tag divisions, Penta’s championship reign, and the Paige/Brie Bella narrative about “having something to prove” against a modern, stacked roster.
• Notable attention is given to the chemistry issues in the six-woman tag and the expectation that Tribal Combat and Lesnar vs. Oba II will be the matches that dominate conversation out of Clash in Italy.

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9. Podcast Style, Tone & Memorable Moments

• Banter is snarky, witty, and analytic. Sam often plays devil’s advocate or exaggerates (knowingly) for comic effect, while Megan balances as fan and analyst.
• Ethan Page’s interview is particularly spicy, with testy, meta exchanges and a hint of improvisational zaniness.

Notable Quotes

• “Brock Lesnar...that’s the legacy of Brock Lesnar… when Brock retires, we’re all going to be sitting there going, what if Brock comes back?” – Sam [20:26]
• “Not as a guy who’s like, you know what? He took his bow and he said goodbye. No, that’s for everyone else. I want to always live in fear.” – Megan [21:05]
• “What makes me special if everyone is the same?” – Ethan Page [49:37]
• “Problems follow this guy… Everything Montez Ford says about Seth Rollins… he’s not wrong.” – Sam [61:06]

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10. Timestamps for Key Segments

• Brock destroys Oba Femi: [03:00–12:30]
• Heyman’s schemes / Pearce’s impotence: [05:07–13:20]
• Clash in Italy build, favor, contract: [13:20–18:30]
• Bloodline Civil War – Roman, Jacob, Usos: [22:16–36:14]
• Minute Maid “Juice Break” (lighthearted segment): [36:14–40:24]
• Ethan Page Interview: [41:16–57:12]
• Main Event, Rollins, Vision, Street Profits: [58:09–61:52]
• Becky Lynch vs. Sol Ruka; Women’s Card: [66:57–77:50]
• Saturday’s Card Rundown: [72:31–76:49]

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For New Listeners

This Raw Recap is a must-listen for fans invested in WWE’s wildest shocks, especially with Brock Lesnar’s mythos reaching new heights. The episode offers rich, witty insights into WWE’s ongoing power struggles—with standout analysis on Paul Heyman’s mind games, the unstoppable Bloodline drama, and rising stars getting their moments.

Even if you haven’t watched this week’s Raw or keep up closely, this podcast delivers all you need to feel the anticipation and appreciate the storylines heading toward Clash in Italy.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Ethan Page]

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[Sam Roberts]

So close you can almost taste it. What, you just gonna walk away?

[Ethan Page]

Time to bring the juice.

[Sam Roberts]

Never leave a fit behind. Grip it, rip it and bring the ju.

[Ethan Page]

That flavor is just out of reach.

[Sam Roberts]

Drop the leg oos and bring the juice. Brock lesnar is back. We are ready for tribal combat. Ethan page is on the show. This is the raw recap on wwe now at wwe and fanatics original production. Did you hear that Megan?

[Megan]

I can't even believe it said did

[Sam Roberts]

you hear what I just said?

[Megan]

I can't believe it.

[Sam Roberts]

It's May. Check the calendar. It's May. Brock Lesnar is back. We get the Obafeme Open Challenge. And people said that, well, what are they going to do now? Obafemi Open Challenge. What's possibly going to happen on the Obafemi Open Challenge? One week it's Obafemi versus Otis's grundle, the next week it's Obafemi dragging Los Garza to the ring and just beating them from pillar to post. What can we expect? And you know what? I naively said, well, gee golly, I feel like a fool. I said, gee golly, know what? I'd love to see a real competitive match with, with Obafemi facing an opponent that we're not used to seeing him in there with. Gosh, I'd love to see just a, just a one on one and. No. Here comes Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar just in the middle of the Obafemi entrance when Oba Femi. He's doing that pose.

[Megan]

There's still smoke in the air.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, the smoke is in the air. The, the, the, the shadowy presence of, of Oba's massive frame is filling the screen.

[Megan]

We don't have to wait with anticipation to see who's going to answer this challenge.

[Sam Roberts]

No, because right between Oba's legs, you see another massive frame entering the scene. And it's Brock Lesnar taking oba out with F5 immediately. F5. Picking him up again. F5. Picking him up again. F5. Picking him up again. F5. Four F fives in a row. Nobody saw this coming.

[Megan]

No. This was just at the point. I listened to your radio show every single day on SiriusXM. That's. That's right. That's right. I watched the product. I support my friends. That's the kind of person that I am here. But I was getting so annoyed. Callers calling in every day, pitching ideas for Brock Lesnar said he's retired.

[Sam Roberts]

He left his business.

[Megan]

He's retired. Why are you doing this? Stop talking about Brock Lesnar because he's retired.

[Sam Roberts]

And we said it was so poetic. Paul. And you should have known. I mean, you should have known when Paul Heyman showed up on this guy. Always. I'll tell you this. Tonight Paul Heyman was in his bag. Tonight was a Heyman night. You know, some nights, you know, I will tell you this. We were fools.

[Megan]

Megan, A couple of weeks ago, we were talking about how he's looking for a meal ticket.

[Sam Roberts]

Go back even further. We Said he lost fafo.

[Megan]

We did.

[Sam Roberts]

We said he lost it. We didn't know how long this game was. It was the third inning of fafo. We thought we had already. We thought it was final score chess, baby. It. That's 100% what it was.

[Megan]

Chess.

[Sam Roberts]

We're still in the Fafo and Paul Heyman won.

[Megan]

Adam Pierce has been pretty quiet about

[Sam Roberts]

this game lately too, because he thought it was over.

[Megan]

Yeah. And now he's losing.

[Sam Roberts]

Can you imagine? You didn't even know you're playing fa. Fo. That's how fo'd you are. Wow. Yeah, that's.

[Megan]

That's a lot of math to wrap my brain.

[Sam Roberts]

F owing to the extent that you don't even know the game is still being playing. That's how much foing you're doing. That's insane. I've never seen it done before. Leave it to Paul Heyman. I'm not. That's not a game I'm willing to play with Paul Heyman. Ever, ever, ever. I mean, Brock Lesnar has this unbelievably poetic Send off at WrestleMania 42 when he leaves his boots in the ring and the fans go from booing to cheering. Thank you, Brock. I can't. I mean, I just realized my 9 year old son, as much as he was booing Brock Lesnar, he cried when Brock left. Wait till. I don't even know how he's gonna react when he sees Brock show up on Monday Night Raw. Oh, my gosh.

[Megan]

I mean, this is to the point. You were there. I was having a conversation with another wrestling fan and we were talking about how Brock Lesnar's retirement was poetic and how we're so happy that we got to see Brock go out in that manner.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. No, that wasn't how. He's not going out like that. No. He was Leo in Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I mean, Brock.

[Megan]

Jordan Belfort starts playing.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. That's right. He's gonna have to get new boots. Brock, he's going to have to get a new pair of boots. He's not using the ones he's. No, he said those boots retired. I'm not using those boots anymore.

[Megan]

He's got some new boots, guys.

[Sam Roberts]

I got different boots. I don't need those anymore. Those were unlucky boots. Because I'll tell you, there was something different. Here's the thing. That whole time that we were leading up to WrestleMania, and I swear, especially after Gunther came out on Smackdown and jumped Cody Rhodes and Paul Heyman presented the contract to Cody Rhodes and said, gunther acquired my services to get this deal signed. That's how we ended up with what we have at Clash in Italy, which is Gunther versus Cody Rhodes for the WWE Championship. And Gunther goes, I got Paul Heyman to set this deal up. That was the favor. And Paul Heyman goes, that was the favor. And now we're done.

[Megan]

And so all the speculation of Gunter being a Paul Heyman guy can die.

[Sam Roberts]

And. But all the speculation of favor looming also goes away. That's when it was really like, oh, this Brock Lesnar thing is over. There's nothing looming anymore. But you didn't realize what was looming.

[Megan]

No. I thought perhaps the favor could be Paul Heyman bringing Brock Lesnar back to have a match with Gunter.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, you didn't.

[Megan]

That dies.

[Sam Roberts]

What none of us realized was the idea that what was leaving Brock looming was the fact that he ain't going out to Obafemi like that. And it was a different Brock on Raw. The scenario was so different in the sense that the whole buildup to WrestleMania had been OBA getting the best of Brock, Oba getting the best of Brock, Oba getting the best of Brock. At no point in the build up to WrestleMania did Brock Lesnar get the best of Obafemi.

[Megan]

Not once.

[Sam Roberts]

It didn't happen.

[Megan]

Nope.

[Sam Roberts]

And then you got to WrestleMania and Obafemi 1000% beat Brock Lesnar.

[Megan]

Yes, he did.

[Sam Roberts]

To the point where Brock, you know, and I mean, what a. And. And you wonder, too, is this a scenario where in the moment, Brock felt like he was retiring and then he went back and hunted a couple moose and said, you know what? I'm not quite done yet. I got a couple more things to do. And showed back up. Or did he know the whole time? Cause if he knew the whole time, the level of performance that Brock Lesnar was playing at, I mean, that's Oscar worthy.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

What Brock did at WrestleMania, if he knew the whole time, if Brock was aware leaving Las Vegas that he'd be back on the. On the 18th of May on Monday night Raw or somewhere around then, if he knew he was coming back, then you're talking Daniel Day Lewis, okay? Because I believed everything Brock was doing. Brock got emotional. Brock was waving to the fans. Brock. Brock, I mean, almost had this look around. Like, man, you guys really do appreciate.

[Megan]

But I think this is what Obafemi does to people. He keeps you awake at night. He wakes you up from a deep slumber to the realization that that just happened. Not Only did Brock Lesnar get beat at WrestleMania by Obafemi, but the entire road to WrestleMania, Brock Lesnar was outdone by Obafemi.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know. I think for most people, Obafemi puts them in a deep sleep, and they stay in the deep sleep.

[Megan]

Not Brock Lesnar. What else could get Brock Lesnar to come back in May?

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, bro, Obafemi, I would. I would. I would love to know. Because then, I mean, you got this. This moment where not only is it nothing like the build to WrestleMania, but Brock Lesnar like, leaves Oba laying, which is a scene that I was like. I didn't know how much I wanted to see that until I saw it. I didn't know how to. How different it would be until I saw it, where it was like, yeah, Obafemi is a human being. Obafemi is not a superhero. Brock Lesnar having that moment where he's sitting down as Oba is on his back looking at the lights, never having experienced what he just experienced, and Brock Lesnar is just sitting next to him, looking at him, going, yeah, dude, that's what I do, and that's what I've been doing for over 20 years.

[Megan]

And he's walking up the ramp saying,

[Sam Roberts]

I don't give an F is what he said. And that enough now that we knew that that was.

[Megan]

Well, we've always known that about Brock Lesnar.

[Sam Roberts]

He does not give an F with Brock Lesnar. And then Adam Pierce is, like, losing his mind backstage looking for Paul Heyman, who's waiting for him in his office. Of course he is. And. And. And Adam Pierce is talking about retirement. He'd already filed retirement paperwork, which I'm not a hundred percent sure what that even means, but so far, on one night, Adam Pierce can't fire anybody, and he can't file retirement paperwork. I fail to see to what degree Adam Pierce is actually holding any significant power. It seemed like on Smackdown, Nick Aldis had things pretty well in control, getting Gunther into the place that he needed Gunther to get to, you know, dealing with what Royce Keys was up to. It seemed like Nick Aldis was able to kind of manipulate all the parts and get things to where they needed to be, whereas Adam Pierce. Not in the same space.

[Megan]

Well, it. It. There was a win for Adam Pierce because he did have, you know, the guy there ready to give Roman his title when he arrived at the building. That's how the night started.

[Sam Roberts]

I forgot there was.

[Megan]

Then it really did go downhill from there.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. So you're saying for 30 seconds it was wins.

[Megan]

He did learn from his mistakes. Last week he got yelled at.

[Sam Roberts]

He spent about 30 seconds grabbing dubs.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

And then after that, L L fever.

[Megan]

Well, he didn't know that Brock was going to retire, so I assume getting these papers filed.

[Sam Roberts]

What kind of papers?

[Megan]

I mean, I'm retirement papers.

[Sam Roberts]

So you don't know.

[Megan]

I have no idea what the process is, but I think you have to do this like, well in advance.

[Sam Roberts]

If I start filing retirement papers, Yes, I see.

[Megan]

Like, I think maybe like a year in advance.

[Sam Roberts]

When have you changed your mind? Well, I guess we found out, you know.

[Megan]

I guess you leave everyone in a tizzy, I guess.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You leave everybody. Yeah, a tizzy is what people are left.

[Megan]

I'm sure you had to pull some strings to file these papers late, and then now to unfile the papers.

[Sam Roberts]

It shouldn't be this difficult to retire. I mean, I guess that's. Maybe that's why in pro wrestling people have been very unsuccessful in retiring, you know what I mean? Because it's complicated. Paperwork.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And wrestlers aren't known for paperwork. They're known for combat.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

So maybe that's part of it. I mean, Paul Heyman just looking at Adam Pearce going, what? He is retired. And Adam Pierce is like, what are you talking about? What? He's retired and Adam Pearce is like, so what was that? And this is another one. So I turn on Monday Night Raw tonight, I In no way, shape or form did I expect to see Brock Lesnar.

[Megan]

No, me either. He was retired. I did see him in the open. Right.

[Sam Roberts]

But in the forever, I know, not in the now.

[Megan]

He really did get moved, which is

[Sam Roberts]

the moment that we should have known it was all a ruse that Paul Heyman, teary eyed as he was, was demanding that they move Brock Lesnar from the now over to the forever. Demanding it. And you're going like, oh, I know why he was, why he cared so much. He was already concocting whatever this next plan was because in order to get Adam Pierce off his back on the retirement thing, he gave Adam Pierce more paperwork. But this paperwork. And even after we see Brock Lesnar and I'm sitting there going, we're back, we're back. Because let's, let's keep in mind too, what was the conversation going into WrestleMania that this was not just hyperbole. For many people, this was the most anticipated match going into WrestleMania and it

[Megan]

was the match a lot of people were talking about. Most coming out of WrestleMania 100%.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. They looked at it as a dual moment. Not just Brock retiring, but even if he hadn't, what happened in the match. And coming off the match was in and of itself, it was a dual moment match. And so the idea of on both nights, I would argue the entire show, the entire weekend, if there was one match to run back, this would be it. No. And so the idea. But I'm not. I'm sitting there going, like, I don't even know. I'm trying to make heads or tails of the whole thing. But we already know at this point, it's Gunther vs Cody at Clash in Italy. At this point on Monday Night Raw, we. We can already presume that Tribal Combat, actually, we had seen the graphic by this point. So we know Tribal Combat is headed to Clash in Italy. And then Paul Heyman pulls out this contract, and he says it's already signed by Brock Lesnar. So again, the one guy not caught off guard by any of this is Paul Heyman, who's got a contract that says Brock Lesnar's already signed this. It's just waiting for Obafemi's name for Clash in Italy, bro. If this contract gets signed, and I find it difficult to believe that Oba is going to turn down this match.

[Megan]

Oba, who is offering an open challenge, Right?

[Sam Roberts]

I would think that this closes the challenge. Like, this is. So this is it. This is the one, right? Like, it's like, yeah, yeah, I'll accept that one. Like, the idea that those three matches could all be at Clash in Italy, that's insane. The card is ridiculous. Nuts for Clash in Italy. And I mean, like, especially because this is a different Brock Lesnar. This is not a Brock Lesnar who.

[Megan]

He's foaming at the mouth.

[Sam Roberts]

When oba walked into WrestleMania, he was answering Brock Lesnar's open challenge, and it put him at this advantage because he became the hunter because he saw an opportunity and he was ready to take it. What's Brock Lesnar doing now?

[Megan]

He's answering Obafemi's open challenge.

[Sam Roberts]

So what does that make Brock Lesnar?

[Megan]

He's the hunter.

[Sam Roberts]

That's exactly right. And that's why the dynamic has so quickly changed, that you now see Brock Lesnar in this position where it's like, oh, meat.

[Megan]

And guess what? He doesn't give an F. I heard

[Sam Roberts]

that from the show, but I also kind of knew it already. I assumed it was the case, but

[Megan]

I'm glad we got it confirmed.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, no, we did get it confirmed. He said it.

[Megan]

And four F5.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, four. Four F fives. And fa fo and everybody's foing all at once.

[Megan]

This is nuts. Yeah, the card is nuts. The fact that Brock is back is nuts. The fact that Oba was laid out on our TV screens. Think about that. Who's been on Raw for what, four or five months now?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I mean, he was there. He's been here all. All year. He's doing Raw and Smackdown for a while, but he's been on the main roster all year. You know, he was in the Royal Rumble, which is, by the way, the first time that he and Brock had any sort of interaction. But, yeah, he's been here all year.

[Megan]

Never seen him laid out.

[Sam Roberts]

No way.

[Megan]

Not even close to laid out.

[Sam Roberts]

No, no. Laid out.

[Megan]

Never. No where back in NXT was ever laid out.

[Sam Roberts]

There was never a situation where another human being could just sit up next to him laughing at the damage that they had done. I mean, within, like, that's the type of distance that, like, you can't walk near the swamps because a gator will jump out of the water and grab you. And you're. Imagine just. Just sitting right next to a gator, going. Laughing at him, going, look what I just did to you, gator. No. Not even Lana Del Rey's husband, that gator wrangler, could get away with doing that.

[Megan]

And that was Obafemi tonight.

[Sam Roberts]

The gator.

[Megan]

The gator.

[Sam Roberts]

And who was the wrangler?

[Megan]

Brock Lesnar.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, he was. He was wearing his Wranglers. I mean, this Brock Lesnar, my God, what a moment. On Monday night Raw. Insane.

[Megan]

He's back, baby.

[Sam Roberts]

Brock is back. Dude, Brock is already on. I thought he was retired.

[Megan]

Crazy.

[Sam Roberts]

I thought he was retired. Of course he's not retired.

[Megan]

Just keep him in the forever. You don't add him to the now.

[Sam Roberts]

No. Yeah, because he is forever. You know what I mean? He's not going anywhere. And by the way, that's that.

[Ethan Page]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And maybe that is the most perfect thing, right? Because a lot of us, I think myself and probably said, you know, the way you went out at WrestleMania is the perfect way for him to go out.

[Megan]

This was the exact conversation that was me I was having with somebody on Thursday.

[Sam Roberts]

100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so perfect. You know what the perfect way for Brock Lesnar to go out as a looming threat. When Brock Lesnar retires, we're all going to be sitting there going, what if Brock comes back and we're never going to know? Brock Lesnar is going to be buried in the ground and we're going to Be sitting there one day way in the future, and we're going to be sitting there going, yeah, but what if Brock Lesnar digs himself up and shows up and just wrecks somebody like Brock Lesnar? That's the legacy of Brock Lesnar.

[Megan]

You know what? That's exactly how I want to remember Brock Lesnar. Like always.

[Sam Roberts]

Not as a guy who's like, you know what? He took his bow and he said goodbye. No, that's for everyone else.

[Megan]

I don't want to say celebrate him. I want to always live in fear.

[Sam Roberts]

In fear. In fear. Not serro todo miedo. Todo miedo. Yeah.

[Megan]

Always.

[Sam Roberts]

Always scared. Yeah. Always scared. At any point, Brock Lesnar could show up. That's. That's where we're at with Brock Lesnar. Tired of overpaying with DirecTV, Dish offers a reliable low price every month without surprises. Get the TV you love and start watching live sports news and the latest movies, plus your favorite streaming apps all in one place. Switch to Dish today and lock in the lowest price in satellite TV starting at $89.99 a month with our two year price guarantee. Call 888 add dish or visit dish.com today. Just as we're again, we were talking about Adam Pearce not being able to control the retirement of Brock Lesnar. He also, I guess since backlash has been trying to fire Jacob Fatu. He has, but Roman reigns.

[Megan]

I suggested a suspension, right?

[Sam Roberts]

Well, you. Yeah, you were super nar after backlash, if I recall. Correct.

[Megan]

I think firing is even more narcy than a suspension.

[Sam Roberts]

I know the firing is like, like Adam Pierce is the teacher and you're the student going like, oh, I didn't think it was going to be that bad. And it's like, yeah, but if you hadn't said anything, you know what I mean?

[Megan]

This is my fault.

[Sam Roberts]

You should have done your homework. It's really your fault. Yeah, yeah. But he's been wanting to fire him, you know, I guess cuz he said, tonight I'm firing. He put his hands on and Roman said no. Roman, again, this is one of my favorite parts of this. Executing the power that he has talked about having. We're seeing it firsthand watching the show

[Megan]

when he arrives and he gives this title that Adam Pierce has there, but

[Sam Roberts]

that Roman is sitting there. Why? The reason Adam Pierce has not fired Jacob Fatu is because Roman says you can't yet.

[Megan]

Yeah. And Roman had to sign off on Jacob arriving to wwe. So of course you'd have to sign off on him leaving.

[Sam Roberts]

Right? Right. Right. I punch, I clock him in, I clock him out. That's the way this works.

[Megan]

I'm the OTC baby.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, I couldn't. I thought. And Adam Pierce going, like, you know, I told you last week, I said, da, da, da. And I'm glad Roman said that to him. What do you want? Credit for being right? You know, like, you know, if you just listen to me. Oh, my God, this guy. No wonder he had the night that he had. That's how he started it. He wanted.

[Megan]

Poor Adam Pearce is catching a lot of strays from you.

[Sam Roberts]

They're not strays. They're direct. They're direct. They're not strays because of the way he's acting. He's out of his mind. He's not having control of everything. And then whenever any little thing goes the way he said it would go, he goes like this. Well, you know, I did tell you

[Megan]

it's a tough job.

[Sam Roberts]

What is?

[Megan]

Being the general manager of Monday Night Raw.

[Sam Roberts]

Nick Aldis seems to be doing okay, and he doesn't come out, you know, needing a drink. He looks like a million bucks every week on Smackdown. He's got three hours to control okay? And he seems to be doing it just fine. And he's got Danhausen to deal with.

[Megan]

That is a lot to deal with.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, he's cloning himself. He's got superstars cloning themselves, but he

[Megan]

doesn't have Brock Lesnar unretiring.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, Adam Pearce didn't realize he had that.

[Megan]

It was tough.

[Sam Roberts]

It's tough. It's tough. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's the gig, you know, I have to be able to say, the gig's not getting done. So he shows up, you know, and you're right. You're right. The intern was there with Roman's championship. I do love, too, that Roman doesn't travel with it.

[Megan]

Crazy.

[Sam Roberts]

It's the only. It's the only time it's ever happened.

[Megan]

I know. No other champion could get away with that.

[Sam Roberts]

Right, Right. But they all say it, you know, oh, I got to bring it to the airport. And then TSA wants to see it. They want to take a picture and buy Roman's. Like, you'll have this for me here.

[Megan]

I have a guy.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Care of that handler.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. Because it is true. It's like. It's not like Roman needs to wear the title when he goes to Publix.

[Megan]

No.

[Sam Roberts]

You know what I mean? He doesn't need to carry it with him.

[Megan]

I do imagine he walks in though, and everyone in Publix acknowledges.

[Sam Roberts]

For sure. For sure. Do you think that the music hits when the door opens? Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Megan]

I hope so.

[Sam Roberts]

I think so. I think I, I, I would hope it did. And if not, I would volunteer for that job. I'm just following around with a little speaker just so everybody can know to acknowledge the tribal chief.

[Megan]

I think people know.

[Sam Roberts]

People do.

[Megan]

But the music would help.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, no, it would help. I mean, it's a nice touch. It's aura. As Roman is talking to Adam Pierce about the fact that, like, you can't fire Jacob. Not yet. Because I'm going to go call him out. Roman is saying, I'm going to call him out. And you hear in the distance. And Roman is livid. He's like, how am I supposed to call this guy out? He's already walking to the ring and Adam Pierce is mad but also embarrassed because he's got the big ooze next to him. He's got the tribal chief next to him and he's got to answer for the fact that Jacob's already on his way out to the ring and so, and I don't know, you know, who was manning that station. But clearly it started off Adam Pierce's night in a tough way because Jacob Fatud now goes to the ring and he says that he'd like Roman Reigns to bring his punk ass out to the ring right now. Right now. Which it's like, you know, if you're the tribal chief, you don't want anybody talking about you being a punk ass. You don't want to say right now.

[Megan]

But I do love when Jacob calls people punk.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean. Yeah. Because he means it.

[Megan]

It's the coolest.

[Sam Roberts]

It's the only. Yeah. It's like there's never been a more authentic use of punk ass.

[Megan]

And what's Roman going to do?

[Sam Roberts]

Maybe later, Right?

[Megan]

He's got to go out there.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, he should put out there, though. Like, by the way, I was coming out anyway. Like, just so everybody knows I was coming out regardless, I'm not coming out because he's calling me out. You heard me back there. I was going to call him out. So I am coming out. But I was doing it anyway.

[Megan]

I said it first.

[Sam Roberts]

I said it first. That's fair. The USO's, though, they came out and Jimmy, who is trying to be the cooler heads prevails guy is trying to talk to Jacob like, what are you doing?

[Megan]

He's talking some sense into him. He was like, you were attempting to, you you were supposed to acknowledge Roman Reigns. This is how it goes, right? You said you would do anything to bring money to your family, right?

[Sam Roberts]

You're gonna screw it all up, he said.

[Megan]

And you're gonna get fired, right? And you're gonna end up right back where you were.

[Sam Roberts]

And, and, and I just love the idea, though, that Jimmy's sitting there going like, I'm gonna talk some sense into him. And Jacob's like, what do you think this is?

[Megan]

And Jay's pacing around.

[Sam Roberts]

Crash out. Jay is my favorite Jay. This is easily ready to explode at any moment. This is my favorite Jay. I love this version of Jey uso. I feel like it's the real Jey uso. It's the most honest version of Jey uso. Like, he's just not here for any of it anymore.

[Megan]

And Jimmy's just trying to keep.

[Sam Roberts]

All right. It's all right. Like, amongst everybody, he's dealing with Jacob, he's dealing with Jay. He's trying to make sure Roman's cool. He's like, all right, guys, we got a good thing here. Let's not blow it. And all of a sudden, Jay goes in for the attack. Jacob's right there to hit Jay. Jimmy's like, oh, man, like, my brother's gotten me into another fight, which is, I'm sure, takes him right back to growing up. Oh, Jay's got me into another fight growing up.

[Megan]

Or yesterday.

[Sam Roberts]

Or yesterday. Yeah, I gotta go. I gotta go get his back now. And Jacob is able to take out both USO's right there. It was one point that, that, that Jay hit Jacob in the back with a steel chair. And it was just not thin.

[Megan]

Nothing.

[Sam Roberts]

No. Tongan death grip takes Jay out to.

[Megan]

Here comes going right to the Tongan death grip.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, absolutely. And I mean, and, and, and, and Jay is just down. Here comes Roman.

[Megan]

And I love this because Jacob is acting like a total killer here. He's applying Tongan death grip after Tongan death grip. And Roman comes out. And just the stare of Roman Reigns stops Jacob dead in his tracks.

[Sam Roberts]

Because it's like this is it. This is again, this is this, this is the battle that we're looking for. And even in like tonight specifically, I noticed just looking at the difference in these two individuals, the way Roman is just sitting there looking like wealth, looking like a boss with the hair slicked back, with the beard groomed with the nice everything, you know, looking like the champion. And Jacob just looking like he's ready for a fight. And Roman getting in the ring and I swear, you should have heard me today on the radio going like, you know what? I think tonight's going to be the night for words. I don't think it's going to be physicality tonight. I said that.

[Megan]

What an idiot.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, talk about your old callers.

[Megan]

Light you up tomorrow.

[Sam Roberts]

They should. They should. I mean, they know better. I'll just. I was somehow twisted around on them. But that I would deserve it if that were. If, if.

[Megan]

Hey, I was listening to you last week. You're like, I don't even remember the last time I was wrong.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. Well, guess what? I won't remember tomorrow either. We're going to keep moving.

[Megan]

Love how that works.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, isn't it great? Prove me wrong. So it wasn't words. It was physicality. And Roman's going after Jacob. But once again, he goes for that Superman punch. And boom. Jacob catches him. Tongan death grip takes Roman out. But before Roman can go all the way out, the USO's are back in. Spear. Super kick. Spear. Super kick. They end up in getting Jacob down. They end up hitting Jacob with that one D. They tie Jacob up in the ropes.

[Megan]

Superman punch. Superman punch.

[Sam Roberts]

The three of them start beating him down. It's. Yeah, you're right. It's super kick. It's super kick. It's Superman punch. It's Superman punch. And then just when, when, when Jacob can't take anymore, they finally. And again, we were talking last week about this guy being an animal. They have to tie him up to do this to him. And then they finally untie him and put him right in the position so that Roman can spear him and take him out.

[Megan]

Ooh. Aha.

[Sam Roberts]

Which, by the way, acknowledge my tribal chief. He didn't do it by himself.

[Megan]

See, I was going to ask you that because you are one who always defends Roman Reigns. Defense. His schedule defends everything that Roman Reigns does. And I was going to bring forward.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm an honorary ooze.

[Megan]

You are.

[Sam Roberts]

That's official.

[Megan]

Well, wow. From Roman. From Jacob. You're an honorary use bloodline.

[Sam Roberts]

You can tell Jacob he's wrong.

[Megan]

No, not right. Especially right now.

[Sam Roberts]

No, no, absolutely. Now is not the time.

[Megan]

But I was going to bring forward to you that the haters would criticize Roman Reigns for not being able to do it by himself.

[Sam Roberts]

Roman Reigns could not take out Jacob Fatu by himself.

[Megan]

So the haters are right.

[Sam Roberts]

No, the haters would tell you Roman Reigns cannot do it by himself, period. It meaning do the thing regardless of opponent. I'm saying with Jacob Fatu tonight, he could not do it by himself. In the past, he has not been able to do it by himself. At backlash, he beat Jacob. I mean, there was an exposed turnbuckle. There was, you know, a referee in bad positioning, but he beat him without interference.

[Megan]

Sure.

[Sam Roberts]

But tonight, Roman could not get that done by himself. Not tonight. Which makes you wonder what's going to happen when it's the two of them

[Megan]

again and it's tribal combat.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, when they're leaving. And first of all, I also. Here's. Listen, Roman first not doing it alone, I went, hmm. And then Roman, after the beatdown that he didn't do by himself, telling Adam Pierce, you can fire him. Do whatever you want. Mmm. Mmm. I don't know about that. I don't want to question my tribal chief too much, but sounds like you might be. I don't know about that. You sure about that?

[Megan]

You sure about that?

[Sam Roberts]

Are you sure about that? That's when we hear the gasps from the ring. Roman. Roman. Tribal combat. And that's where the honor is returned to our tribal chief. That's where the honor is returned to Roman Reigns because he puts his hand down over Adam Pierce's microphone, which, again,

[Megan]

do you think Adam Pierce was going to fire him?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, that's what Adam Pierce's. Well, that's what his expressed intent was. I think he wanted to. When Roman was like, nah. And he put his hand over his microphone.

[Megan]

I accept.

[Sam Roberts]

I accept. And Adam Pearce is like, all right, well, I guess that's that then. I guess. I guess we're. They're the ones making the decisions then. And we get it. Tribal combat. And like they said, there's been. There's been two other tribal combats ever before.

[Megan]

Jey USO and Solo.

[Sam Roberts]

I think those were the two. Yeah. Which Roman obviously won. But we get it. At Clash in Italy, Tribal combat. Jacob Fatu, Roman Reigns World Heavyweight Championship. And this is one of those where it's like, you know, it really strikes me as it being difficult to have any questions coming off of this match now that it's official and now that that's the stipulation, it feels as though, like, this is kind of the answer the questions and be done with it match, Meaning Jacob either wins the championship and Roman has to sit there and go like, yeah, I lost the championship that quickly, or Jacob doesn't win the championship and just goes, yeah, I'm not getting what Roman has and has to acknowledge Roman Reigns. Maybe I do. Maybe I do have to acknowledge him. That's a Choice that I could see Jacob not wanting to do that. That's a choice that Jacob would have to make. Either Jacob acknowledges Roman or Jacob maybe has to go off and do his own thing for a while, you know, But I think it's one of those things where it's like it's one or the other here, you know what I mean? It's not sort of a. I mean,

[Megan]

if he doesn't acknowledge him and he keeps acting in the manner that he's currently been acting, Jacob's job could no longer exist.

[Sam Roberts]

I would love to. I would love to see Adam Pearce actually pull the trigger and see what happens to Adam Pierce. Give a guy like Jacob Fatu nothing to lose and see what happens.

[Megan]

I mean, Jimmy USO tried to lay it out for him too.

[Sam Roberts]

I know he did. And look what happened. How'd that work out for Jimmy?

[Megan]

Not great.

[Sam Roberts]

Poorly, I would say. I go so far as to say poorly, but at the same time, I was talking about Roman having help from other people. Tribal combat is going to allow a lot to go down.

[Megan]

That is true.

[Sam Roberts]

So we'll see what happens, man. You know, before we get back to Raw, we gotta talk about the main event that's happening in your own home. Of course, you know, I mean, life is basically Wrestlemania every single day. Every day, you know, a high stakes gauntlet where the responsibilities, they just keep coming and coming. It feels like you're constantly making trade offs between the things you have to do and the things you actually love. That's why we're celebrating these moments with where you refuse to tap out. You know, it's time for the minute made juice break where we highlight those everyday wins that deserve a massive pop.

[Megan]

You want to go first?

[Sam Roberts]

No, am I going?

[Megan]

You usually go first, but you often complain about it, so I thought I'd ask.

[Sam Roberts]

No, it says I'm supposed to go first.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know why this.

[Megan]

You can go first.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, I will tell you. This was kind of a. This was kind of. This was significant, I would say. Okay, okay. This was just yesterday, you know, it was Sunday. I'm sitting there, you know, you have a lazy Sunday.

[Megan]

Love it.

[Sam Roberts]

I was thinking about going to see the Chronicles of Narnia like any other lazy Sunday. But I go, right? And I'm going like, man, you know, the last thing I want to do is make this bed, right? I want to go. I want to go downstairs, hang with the kids, maybe put a movie on or something and just relax, not have to worry about any responsibilities and Making the bed, it's a little responsibility, but it, it's something, you know. But then I thought to myself, man, I'm gonna be glad I did this later tonight.

[Megan]

Future you.

[Sam Roberts]

So you know what I did? Instead of tapping out and taking the easy way out and just going and, yeah, whatever, I'll let it take care of itself. I did it. I made the bed, put in the little hospital corners and everything. Made sure it was nice and tight. And I was so glad that I did that. Cause when I went that night, I had a great night's sleep and it was like it was all to put in. That extra bit of work made all the difference later. And honestly, when I got in the bed Sunday evening, I said, thank God I didn't tap out.

[Megan]

It was worth it.

[Sam Roberts]

It was worth it, ultimately.

[Megan]

Well, similarly, this, this weekend.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes.

[Megan]

Beautiful weekend, gorgeous weather.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay.

[Megan]

I was with my child right at the playground at the park.

[Sam Roberts]

Cool, cool, cool.

[Megan]

So we're walking over there.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay.

[Megan]

And on the way to the park, I notice that there's, you know, some rappers on the ground.

[Sam Roberts]

What, like hip hop stars?

[Megan]

No, like candy rappers.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

[Megan]

Debris.

[Sam Roberts]

Sure.

[Megan]

Trash, sure. Now I could have just walked right past this debris.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Wasn't mine. No, I didn't leave it there.

[Sam Roberts]

No.

[Megan]

So I guess it's not really my problem.

[Sam Roberts]

It's not your responsibility.

[Megan]

But it could also just pick up the trash, right. And make this park a nicer place for everyone around.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay.

[Megan]

So I didn't want to tap out to all those litter bugs around.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay.

[Megan]

So I did. I picked up the trash on my way to the playground, threw it away, continued on with a beautifully clean park that we can all enjoy.

[Sam Roberts]

How come yours is always like something that the whole community benefits from?

[Megan]

Just trying to be a good person.

[Sam Roberts]

It's just not even in the spirit of this thing that we do. It's not. It makes it. It's totally sets.

[Megan]

Are you criticizing me for being a good person?

[Sam Roberts]

And then you say that and then I can't. Minute made in WWE are tag teaming your daily grind. Bringing. Bringing main event energy to life's everyday matches. It's just supposed to be like a little thing that you do not.

[Megan]

It was a little thing picking up the whole community.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, the whole park's clean. Together we're turning the toughest rounds into moments worth cheering for.

[Megan]

From the ring to real life, Minute Maid and WWE are here to help you bring the juice. When the day tries to tap you out.

[Sam Roberts]

Never tap out on taste Bring the juice. Wow. I'll tell you what, we got a big show coming up on Saturday. Saturday nights main event.

[Megan]

Massive.

[Sam Roberts]

And part of Saturday night's main event is, of course, our Intercontinental Championship match. Penta will be defending the title against all ego Ethan Page, who was interviewed briefly by Michael Cole on Monday Night Raw. But after that conversation, Mike. Well, that's what he called him. You and I got the chance to have all ego Ethan Page here on the Raw recap, we. Welcome to the Raw recap, the one and the only, all ego Ethan Page. Ethan, how are you, man?

[Ethan Page]

I'm okay.

[Sam Roberts]

Why only okay?

[Ethan Page]

I've already done this today, and I actually got to select my questions. I was given enough time to prepare not only myself, but the interviewer or whatever interviewer just like you guys. So this is very last minute. I feel unprepared. But go on. I'm a professional.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I mean, I. I appreciate us. You giving us the time, and I. Yeah. And I do. Well, I do. I think Megan does greatly, greatly appreciate it.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, yeah.

[Megan]

And your jawline looks fantastic.

[Ethan Page]

Okay. I see you watch the show, so.

[Sam Roberts]

He's right.

[Megan]

I do.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. Well, I guess we'll start here. What is the difference? You made this clarification tonight that it's not about ego, it's about confidence. What is the difference between ego and confidence from your perspective?

[Ethan Page]

Look, I mean, the phrase all ego, very marketable. And you can understand exactly what I'm about the second you hear it. I mean, that's kind of how I operate. I'm very meticulous with everything and deliberate with everything. But if you're gonna insult me by using the word ego in a descriptive way to belittle me.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Ethan Page]

I'm gonna definitely lock in and explain to you that this is not ego. This is not because of a insecurity. It's not a knee jerk reaction coming from somebody who doesn't believe in themselves. No, I. I believe wholeheartedly with every ounce of me. I have been documented saying that I already believe that I am good enough to be the World Heavyweight champion. I have chosen to go after the Intercontinental Championship out of respect to its lineage and what it represents in the history of this company. Took me over, I don't know, 20 years to get to Monday Night Raw about, oh, you know what, 19, 20 years. This is very important to me. I'm not doing this in my early 20s that I can, you know, flub up or get arrested or fired. No. I'm 36 years old. This is it. Intercontinental Championship and then off to the races. Like every great before me, I was insulted by Michael Cole.

[Sam Roberts]

I understand. I get it. And I mean, you're right. For as long as you've been in the wrestling industry and as long as you've been working to get to the spot that you're in, it is good to hear the reverence that you have for the Intercontinental Championship and the kind of awareness. Is that something that, you know, going over the last two decades that you thought about. I mean, for me as a fan, the Intercontinental title is something that is so associated not only with WWE and with people who have made a claim in WWE history, but I mean, that list of, of champions, those are the best wrestlers to have wrestled in wwe. Is that, is that how you see this title? Yeah.

[Ethan Page]

And then they always end up becoming the best World Champion, whether it be WCW or wwe. These are all greats. These are all fantastic greats that end up having long, historic lineages in this company. Wherever people came from, they all ended up here and they all ended up with the Intercontinental Championship as the launching pad. It's factual. And I don't think Penta even understands what he's holding.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, I, I don't know. You know, I would have to ask Penta that question, but Penta is another person like you.

[Ethan Page]

I mean, bother him for an interview next time. Don't bother me. You can ask him whatever you want. I'm sure he won't take the time to prepare questions like I did for Michael.

[Sam Roberts]

I didn't mean that to be insulting. All I meant was that when you talk about your story of how long it took you to get to Monday Night Raw. Penta has been on a roll here for a year and change. But Penta took a similar role. Penta also was involved, was, was, was wrestling everywhere for, you know, 15 years before he got to, to WWE and before he got to Monday Night Raw. Do you see? Well, I don't, I don't know. I don't have the exact, the exact numbers in front of you.

[Ethan Page]

Good luck comparing when you don't know the details.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, okay.

[Megan]

That's tough.

[Ethan Page]

Yeah, no, that's good. What, did you watch an Instagram video and now all of a sudden you're an expert?

[Sam Roberts]

No, I'm not. I've, I've, I've, I've tracked both of your careers. I'm a fan of everything that you guys have done. But I think there are similarities in the road that you took him. And Penta is a unique opponent in the sense that most people that you'd be paired up with, or at least a lot of people, maybe they didn't have to fight as much as you had to fight to get to the spot that you're in in wwe. But Penta did,

[Ethan Page]

I guess. You know why he's a unique opponent?

[Sam Roberts]

Why?

[Ethan Page]

None of us know who he is. And he's out here living his life, giving terrible advice to impressionable people, telling them, zero mirror. I don't know if you speak Spanish, either of you. I don't know much about either of you, but that means zero fear. Yeah, it's pretty asinine. Imagine living your life with zero fear. That's stupid. I send my kids out every single day with a worry. Be careful. Head on a swivel. That's how you survive. Penta sending all the youth, the WWE fans, what we call this the WWE Universe. Yeah, well, the WWE Universe gets terrible advice from someone who hides their identity and doesn't stand behind what he says. Now, you guys don't like what I say? Most people don't. I'm okay with it. I've learned to be okay with that. But I do it with my face, my identity, and I own it all with a smile. And he paints his, hides his and gets away with murder.

[Sam Roberts]

He's not wrong.

[Ethan Page]

No unique opponent, though. That's a good way to put it.

[Sam Roberts]

People say I have propaganda and I

[Ethan Page]

know how to spin things. And yet, look at the wwe. Look what they're doing for Penta.

[Megan]

So, Ethan, when you arrived on Monday Night Raw, you know, you illustrated earlier in this conversation how it's taken you almost 20 years to get here to Monday Night Raw. Was this Intercontinental Championship going after it? Is this just step one in Ethan Page making an impact on the main roster?

[Ethan Page]

I mean, I'm here for everything, all of it. Everyone that you think I can't beat, I will beat every championship. You think I won't hold. I will hold, actually. Not even what I want. What everyone else wants, I will have. That's just been the story of my life. I said it to Mike today in his interview. Some people are just born under the stars. Clearly, I was.

[Sam Roberts]

Yep. I mean, must be nice, dude.

[Ethan Page]

My father's been telling me that since the day I was born, and I believed it. I truly was born under the stars. Hand selected.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't understand where you like the lineage that you come from. Where. Where you go on one end, you say that you were raised to believe that you were born under the stars, but then the generation under you you make them leave the house with their head on a swivel in a worry.

[Ethan Page]

Yeah. Not everyone is a meme.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, wow.

[Megan]

It's also interesting because.

[Ethan Page]

No, I have a question. I have a question.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Ethan Page]

What makes me special if everyone is the same?

[Sam Roberts]

Nothing would if that were the case. If everyone were the same there, nothing would make you special.

[Ethan Page]

Yeah. So what, you want me to just start passing out secrets to everyone, my children included? How many families have you seen fall apart in the end?

[Sam Roberts]

A lot. Huh.

[Ethan Page]

I might be raising my enemies.

[Sam Roberts]

That's. That's actually quite. I don't know if it's smarter or. Or paranoid. But I will say. I will say that something that I was thinking about on watching the way you've done business just over the last several.

[Ethan Page]

By the way. Can we pause?

[Sam Roberts]

Yes.

[Ethan Page]

I feel very bad. She had a question she wanted to ask. I interrupted her. You have barely let her speak. It's more your show than hers. Please let her do it. Come on.

[Megan]

Thank you. I appreciate that. But I was just. I was just gonna say how, you know, I find it interesting that you come on here and you talk about this great respect that you have for the Intercontinental Championship and all of the greats who have held the intercontinent continental championship. Yet in your instructions to Mike, as you call him, I call him Michael Cole, you said that you wanted to

[Ethan Page]

rename, climb the political ladder here. I couldn't give a crap about anybody in this company.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow.

[Megan]

But you said you wanted to rename the title the Ethan Page Championship after having all of this respect any.

[Ethan Page]

First of all, let me correct you by saying I don't respect the wrestlers. Okay.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Ethan Page]

So you said I have all this respect in the world for all these greats before me. No, that's not true. I respect what the championship did for them. I'm going to do it better. I am going to take the Intercontinental Championship to places it's never been before.

[Megan]

It's been to a lot of places.

[Sam Roberts]

No one has. It's been across, it's been inter. It's through multiple continents. Starting in Rio, coming back, you know, all over the place. But. But what I've noticed about you, Ethan, and you talked about the meticulous way that you've been going a lot. Well, that's our job. We're analysts, you know, we got to notice everything. So we can analyze it, that there have been over the last few months a lot of talent call ups from NXT and a lot of fresh faces on the main roster. And there is a Lot of discussion about where they came from. There's a lot of discussion about the fact that they were. That they're from nxt, a lot of discussion about the type of impact that they're making on the main roster. But for you, it feels like almost instantly you left all of that behind for you. You have done an incredible job actually, of. Of immediately pushing a narrative forward where when Ethan Page comes out.

[Ethan Page]

So look, look, look, this is the thing. This did not start when I debuted on Monday Night Raw. I have disagreed with this egregious phrase of call up or getting called up, or my least favorite phrase, the main roster. When I was in nxt, that was the brand that I worked for. That was the jersey that I wore. The team that I had to play for. Well, I've just been traded when I wore the NXT jersey, still the best

[Sam Roberts]

player on the field.

[Ethan Page]

I just wear a different jersey now. I've been dangerous in nxt. I will be dangerous on Monday Night Raw. And if for some reason they want to strike a deal and send me to smackdown so I could take the belt from Cody, that sounds great, too. Look, I said it and I'm gonna do it. I want it all, and I wanted it all when I was in nxt, and it hasn't changed. I said this when I was there, and I'm so happy that I can say it while I'm actually in the seat that I knew I would take. There is no main roster. Wherever you put Ethan Page, it is the best show in the wwe.

[Sam Roberts]

You know, Megan and I interviewed Penta in this room, and when he was in this room, he pointed to the wall where there's a. A replica of the WWE Championship hanging. And Penta said that he was coming for it all. Penta said that he was coming to be the World Champion. Penta said. I mean, maybe, you know, not quite as combative in tone, but he said similar things to you about coming for all of it. With him entering this match with a very similar mindset to you. What happens if you lose to Penta at Saturday night's main event?

[Ethan Page]

Well, here's the thing. Penta looked at a replica championship and said he wants that. Well, you can go to shopww.com and get that. I looked at Penta in his stupid painted up face and said, I'm coming for your Intercontinental Championship. Very specific. I don't plan on buying one using my employee discount. No, thank you. I'll be taking Penta's championship, the Intercontinental Championship, not a replica. Yeah, we're much different.

[Sam Roberts]

I guess that's accurate. I guess that's accurate. Well, Ethan, congratulations on the opportunity that awaits you at Saturday night's main event. Congratulations on your success thus far on Monday Night Raw and the fact that it does seem that everything is going according to plan. What are it. What? I mean, it also feels like before we let you go, you have brought out. Yeah, but then I remember that I wanted. I, I, I've again noticed that you.

[Ethan Page]

Oh, you want more from Ethan Page?

[Sam Roberts]

Just a little more. A little more.

[Megan]

You noticed again?

[Sam Roberts]

Well, it feels. I didn't mean to keep anybody waiting. It feels like you've brought out a little bit of a softer side in Rusev. It feels like you and Rusev are kind of getting along in a way that even Rusev didn't intend. Is this a legitimate friendship that we're seeing building, or is this manipulation?

[Ethan Page]

Okay, well, this is offensive that you would bring up relationship issues on a public forum like this. Would you like me to ask you about your family? How's things at home for me?

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

[Ethan Page]

You know what? Let me give you my thought process here. Okay?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Ethan Page]

What's the phrase? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Megan]

That's how it goes.

[Ethan Page]

Yeah. Okay, well, everyone in this building is an enemy, so when they're in the room with me, they're my friend.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, it's, it's sound logic. Ethan Page, all ego. Thank you so much for the clarification today. Good luck on Saturday night, and we can't wait to speak to you again here on, on, on wwe.

[Ethan Page]

Now, I wish the feeling was mutual, and I'm very happy that we are wrapping this up.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. Thank you very much on Saturday.

[Ethan Page]

You're so very welcome, both of you. And you should let her speak more, Sam.

[Megan]

Thank you.

[Ethan Page]

Gentlemen, please.

[Sam Roberts]

Not stopping her. But I appreciate that very much. Thank you for the advice.

[Ethan Page]

Oh, it's coming off.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay.

[Ethan Page]

All right, all right.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay.

[Ethan Page]

Just wanted to let you know, professional courtesy moving this. Are we done?

[Megan]

Okay.

[Ethan Page]

Okay. They're wrapping me up here. I wanted to give you a little more time. I'm a very nice guy, but I'm done. Thank you. So see you later. Okay.

[Sam Roberts]

Thank you. To Ethan Page. I was not attempting to stop you from speaking. I would hope that you.

[Megan]

I thought he made some really good points.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, good, good, good. But by the way, also, every time you asked a question, he gave you a hard time.

[Megan]

That was tough.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan]

But he also was looking out for me. I Appreciate that, dude.

[Sam Roberts]

You feel like there were questions that you needed addressed that weren't addressed?

[Megan]

No, you did. You did cover that.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. And I thought you covered them as well. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Megan]

He's a tricky one there.

[Sam Roberts]

He is tricky, you know, and just when you think he's in your good graces, he decides to turn it around and go in a different direction.

[Megan]

You know, it might have been easier if he gave us the list of questions like he did for Mike.

[Sam Roberts]

It seemed like it was going well when he gave Mike the list of questions before the interview. That's true. But I actually have a question for you. Do you believe in Joe Hendry?

[Megan]

Of course.

[Sam Roberts]

Who doesn't? You know I do. And now you can not only believe in Joe Hendry, you can grab two new authentic Joe Hendry tees at WWE Shop and Fanatics, say his name and pick up your new merch today. Also, you've heard about this guy. He's easy to find, but he's hard to beat. Cody Rhodes has a brand new collection available now at WWE Shop and Fanatics. You can grab yours now and feel the adrenaline in your soul, my love. Cody Stripping down to basics. The black and white. I like what we're seeing from him. I like what we're seeing from him. And I think it's going into Clash in Italy. It's going to be a big, big deal. But speaking of big, big deals, Seth Rollins shows up on Monday Night Raw tonight and says that he's issuing a challenge to a member of the Vision and he wants it to be Bron Breaker. Now, Paul Heyman steps in front of that and points out to Bron Breakker. Don't you understand? You now know where Seth Rollins is going to be. You know when he's going to be there. You don't need to take this challenge.

[Megan]

Why don't you just call the play on that one?

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. And he puts it in Austin Theory's court. So we get Seth Rollins vs. Austin theory to end Monday Night Raw a big, big main event. Austin Theory looked at it as an opportunity. I think it was a pretty big opportunity.

[Megan]

Massive.

[Sam Roberts]

For Austin Theory to main event Monday Night Raw with one of the best in the game right now. But, you know, I mean, the thing goes haywire. Seth Rollins wins the match. Don't let any of the hoopla after the match allow you to.

[Megan]

That's a very important indication because if you just caught the last two minutes of Raw, you wouldn't know.

[Sam Roberts]

No, Seth Rollins won that match. Okay. And Then Dawkins comes out because Seth Rollins is getting attacked by Division, by Austin Theory and Logan Paul. And obviously, the street profits have their problems that they're going to try to settle at Saturday night's main event. But Dawkins is now outnumbered because Seth was already taken out. Dawkins is now outnumbered 2 to 1. And so Montez Ford comes out, and you can read it all over his face. He is not happy to be out here helping Seth Rollins.

[Megan]

He's like, dude to Dawkins, dude, I told you. Problems follow this guy.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. And he's annoyed even when he's in the ring. And like, literally moments after he's saying it, here comes Bron Breaker out there, and what does he do?

[Megan]

He spears him.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, he spears Montez and Montez Dawkins

[Megan]

out of the way.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. Trying to save Dawkins. But that's exactly like last week. It was Seth Rollins getting out of the way. Dawkins got speared. This week, it's Dawkins getting out of the way, Montez gets speared. But listen, everything that Montez Ford says about Seth Rollins and problems following him, he's not wrong.

[Megan]

No, he's not.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know how he ends up in these positions over and over again, but he's been the one. Look, you could want to be a good person all you want. You can want to make alliances all you want, but, like, those instincts that Montez has that says from the beginning, I don't care what this guy says, I don't care what this guy does. We know what this leads to. You know, it's one of those, like, in my life, if I don't want step four to happen, I don't do step one or two or three. I stop at step one to avoid step four. I don't wait till step three, and I'm in too, too deep.

[Megan]

Don't even get close to it.

[Sam Roberts]

This is what Montez is trying to set up some healthy boundaries for himself and for Dawkins, and he's the only one that's willing to listen to these boundaries. Seth is going like, no, it's all good now. I.

[Megan]

Well, there's quite the temptation, right? Like, Seth Rollins is a WrestleMania main eventer. Yeah. He's the superstar who never lost the World Heavyweight championship.

[Sam Roberts]

He's a good one to have on your side.

[Megan]

Exactly. But Tez goes, nope.

[Sam Roberts]

And I respect that for Montez 100%, where he's like, no, no, no. First of all, you have to look

[Megan]

at the whole Picture.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. I have enough.

[Megan]

Just read me the credentials.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan]

I need to look at the entire picture.

[Sam Roberts]

What's the context around all of it? I've got. I've got enough faith in myself that I can do it with what got me here.

[Megan]

And the context is that trouble seems to follow this guy.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. He knew Seth Rollins was trouble when Seth walked in. That's what they say.

[Megan]

Tez is like, look, is that what they say or is that what Taylor Swift says?

[Sam Roberts]

Somebody said it. I don't remember who it was, but go on.

[Megan]

Tez is away from WWE for months.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan]

Returns the Raw after Mania. He just wants to get the Tag Team Championship.

[Sam Roberts]

He told Seth.

[Megan]

Now he's dragged into all this Seth Rollins business.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know. I mean, look, there's a lot of business going on the same way. And I get why people have this opinion about Seth Rollins, but LA Knight sticking his nose into Seth Rollins, his business earlier in the night, L A Knight just walking up to Seth Rollins and going like, hey, you know, you're going to need help and it's not going to be me. And it's almost like, yeah, cool. We didn't even have to have this conversation. And this is right after La Knight had done a similar thing to Jay and Jimmy uso, where Jay and Jimmy are like, we have our own problems, dude. We don't need this right now. Like, I don't know why La Knight decided in the middle of this. He's going to sit there and like, rub it in.

[Megan]

La Knight's like, hey, man, looks like you need help. I'm not going to do it. So in the words of Nick Saban, quit asking.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. Yeah. You wonder, you wonder what, what LA Knights motivation is for all of this. You know what I mean? It can't. I don't think it's just a walk up to people and start trouble for no reason. I think there's a. There's a grander plan in all of this. I just don't know what it is.

[Megan]

I'm not sure either.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, yeah. Because then when Bron Breaker is out there, he goes after Seth Rollins. And once again, Seth can say whatever he wants. Whether it is in. In the segments leading to backlash, whether it was the backlash match itself, whether it was tonight, something happens when Seth Rollins and Braun Breaker are in the same vicinity. Seth Rollins ends up on his back and Brom Breaker leaves on his feet. And it's one of those things where it's like, if you're Seth Rollins, you either need to figure out a different game plan or you need to figure out somebody else to attack because this ain't working. Because once again, we end Monday Night Raw with the Vision walking out on each member's own two feet. Paul Heyman behind them. I mean, on cloud nine. What a night for Paul Heyman.

[Megan]

He's gotta be feeling good. He's gotta sleep like a baby tonight.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, yeah, he is. And Seth on the ground again. Do you think that Seth has to completely restrategize or do you think it's just a matter of. No, I'm going to get him alone. And when I get him alone, it's going to be a rap.

[Megan]

Completely restrategized.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow.

[Megan]

He's not going to get him alone.

[Sam Roberts]

No, that's. I mean, by design, and it's Seth's design, by the way. If anybody should know this, it's Seth. But he's letting that, like, lust for revenge, I think, take over everything.

[Megan]

I mean, Heyman knew it right away. He was like, look, I know you want Breaker. Guess what? You're not getting Breaker in the match.

[Sam Roberts]

Right?

[Megan]

But you'll get them later there.

[Sam Roberts]

It'll be there, man. You know, I hope that. Speaking of places where Bron Breaker will be, I hope Fanatics Fest is one of the places, you know, the number one sports fan festival is what I'm talking about. Fanatics Fest. It returns to the Javits center in New York City from July 16th through the 19th, 2026. Of course, it's a must attend event for WWE fans. You'll be able to meet your favorite Superstars and enjoy surprises all weekend long. New Superstars just added to Fanatics Fest include Obafemi, AJ Styles and Trick Williams.

[Megan]

Whoop that trick.

[Sam Roberts]

Photo and autographs for these Superstars will be available for Purchase on Friday, May 29th. Keep May 29th circled on your calendar because additional auto and photo opportunities will be added for all Superstars, including Superstars that are currently sold out. New openings pop up for those Fanatics Fest general admission and photo opportunity. Tickets are on sale now@fanatics fest.com now before we fully get in to what we can expect on Saturday and Saturday night's main event, we saw an interaction that led us to a Saturday night's main event match that I know I'm sure you've been chomping at the bit to get into.

[Megan]

I thought we'd never get here.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, Sol Ruka was talking about her, what her experience has been since getting to Monday Night Raw and having Matches with Liv Morgan and having matches with Iyo sky. And then once again, she's interrupted by the one and only Becky Lynch.

[Megan]

Well, Soul was back there gloating a bit.

[Sam Roberts]

What do you mean gloating?

[Megan]

I mean, she hasn't won anything and she was backstage talking to Byron as if she. She has.

[Sam Roberts]

No, you're right. You're right. For, for a WWE Superstar to be feeling positive and, and, and high on themselves, that is totally unfounded.

[Megan]

After going 0. 2.

[Sam Roberts]

That's. Yeah, yeah. Two losses.

[Megan]

Yeah. You come up to Monday Night Raw with all of these expectations.

[Sam Roberts]

Right, right.

[Megan]

Huge spotlight.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan]

Coming off of John Cena's last match.

[Sam Roberts]

Right, right.

[Megan]

And you just.

[Sam Roberts]

And she lost at John Cena's last match or one.

[Megan]

Well, she won there. Oh, but she wasn't officially a Raw Superstar then. So then she comes to Ron immediately, just drops to. Oh, and two.

[Sam Roberts]

Two losses. Yeah. And Becky lynch, what is she, a three time Intercontinental Champion and the greatest

[Megan]

female wrestler of all time? Not just me.

[Sam Roberts]

If you're. No, I know, I know. By the way, they published a new list. She wasn't at the top of it. But if you are a two, a three time Intercontinental Champion, how many times have you lost the title? How many losses would that be total to get it? Three times? How many losses would that be? Well, it's just simple math. You're a graduate, you went to a great college.

[Megan]

I mean, that would.

[Sam Roberts]

I saw it on Wikipedia.

[Megan]

That would mean you, you've lost it at least twice.

[Sam Roberts]

Two losses. Okay, two. You're saying Becky lynch, but she's had

[Megan]

a lot more wins too. How many Soul Hats. And she's been on the main roster. How many.

[Sam Roberts]

She's been on the main roster for a few weeks.

[Megan]

How many wins?

[Sam Roberts]

Like two or three weeks.

[Megan]

How many wins? None.

[Sam Roberts]

None so far. But she's got a big match so far. But you know what, how about this? How about this? You. I mean, going full boomer last week, talking about kids these days. She hears Becky lynch and goes, oh, okay, yeah, I'll take care of that. And just leaves. Instantly goes right to the ring and immediately calls out Becky Lynch. You have to respect that move.

[Megan]

I mean, it's one thing, like, to be so passive aggressive. She had Becky lynch face to face backstage. She could have just handled her business there.

[Sam Roberts]

Right? Who wants to do it in front of an audience? What does she think she is, a WWE Superstar on Monday Night Raw? Go on. Anyways, Right, right. Who wants to do it? I mean, especially like there's a whole arena they're called a ticket buying public. But she could do it where the trucks are. Why wouldn't she do it there? Good point.

[Megan]

This Soul Ruka, she's got something coming for on Saturday. Oh, I bet you that.

[Sam Roberts]

I bet it was odd too, right? Because not only so challenged Becky right away she said, I'll do it tonight. Becky said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Makes the match official for Saturday night's main event. However. And Becky, I did like this line. She said she's not only a star maker, she's a star breaker. I did like that. That's a cool line.

[Megan]

It's true.

[Sam Roberts]

Which stars as she broken AJ Lee

[Megan]

was so traumatized she had to leave the business.

[Sam Roberts]

That's why she left the business.

[Megan]

That's what Becky said tonight.

[Sam Roberts]

That is a star breaker. Then Becky though said she will not defend the intercontinental title at Saturday night's main event. That's what she said.

[Megan]

What is Soul done to earn an intercontinental championship match?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. Okay.

[Megan]

If she got really close against her first two opponents on Raw. So now suddenly you're getting a championship match.

[Sam Roberts]

Who were her first two opponents?

[Megan]

Well, it was Liv Morgan and yo Sky.

[Sam Roberts]

What did you said before about Iyo sky in terms of she's the best

[Megan]

wrestler on the planet. Okay, so you could beat the best wrestler on the planet. Then you earn an intercontinental championship opportunity.

[Sam Roberts]

You earn an all the best wrestler

[Megan]

on the planet, but you get really close. Now suddenly we're just handing out championship opportunities again. To Becky's point, this generation, you have to work to earn these opportunities. This, the fact that she's getting in the ring with the greatest female wrestler

[Sam Roberts]

of all time is the opportunity in and of itself.

[Megan]

Of course.

[Sam Roberts]

I see. What if she beats Becky at Saturday night's main event?

[Megan]

Well then maybe we can talk about a championship match.

[Sam Roberts]

Will you talk about it?

[Megan]

Maybe if she beats her. Maybe if she beats her.

[Sam Roberts]

Think she will?

[Megan]

No.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. Okay.

[Megan]

Absolutely not.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, let's. Let's take a look at this Saturday night's main event card. Let's take a look at what we can expect to see this Saturday. Saturday night's main event. It's a big, big card. Of course. We are going to have Becky lynch versus Soul Ruka one on one. And I think that Big dubs for Becks. I don't know if it's going to be big dubs for Becks. This is. This is Sol Ruka's first, first opportunity on a. On an event like Saturday night's main event. The Last time she was on Saturday night's main event was John Cena's last match and she beat a member of the original four Horsewomen. Huh. Now she's back on Saturday night's main event. What was that group that Becky lynch used to be a part of with the original four

[Megan]

for a horsewoman?

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, interesting.

[Megan]

Didn't she beat Bailey?

[Sam Roberts]

Becky?

[Megan]

No. Oh, yeah, she defeated Bailey and we know how Becky feels about Bailey. Come on, Becky reason that that Becky took Bailey out. Becky Wrestlemania.

[Sam Roberts]

Becky feels okay? No, no. Okay, fine. All right, well, we'll see.

[Megan]

Becky is impressed by the fact that Sol Ruka beat Bailey.

[Sam Roberts]

I would think. I would hope she is impressed.

[Megan]

I don't think she is.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, well, I think she should be impressed. Quite frankly. I was impressed. I think that Becky should be.

[Megan]

I mean, I was impressed too, because I respect four Horsewoman. I respect Bailey with Becky. Becky's not impressed.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, well, she probably should get impressed. Cause it might be. It might be tough for her. Might be tough. Might be tough for Becky Lynch. We'll see. We'll see if Saul Ruka's got the juice. In the words of Minute Made. We'll see if she can get. If she can get the job done. Also, Saturday night's main event, Tag Team championship on the line. We saw a taste of this at the end of Monday Night Raw when the Vision was confronted not only by Seth Rollins, but by Montez Ford and Angelo Dawkins too. The street profits go for that Tag Team championship. This is what they have been looking for from the very beginning. I gotta tell you, based on tonight, it feels like the Vision is running at a level that I don't know if we've seen since maybe right after Seth Rollins got beaten out of the group.

[Megan]

Yeah. Logan Paul wasn't even in the Vision yet.

[Sam Roberts]

No, that's.

[Megan]

Neither was.

[Sam Roberts]

Neither was Austin Theory.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

But for a long time version of

[Megan]

the Vin the Vision. This is.

[Sam Roberts]

For a long time we said they weren't on the same page and now look. Look at where they are. Look at where they ended. Monday Night Raw tonight, everybody on the same page. It could be very difficult for the street profits. Very difficult for the street profits who also are trying to figure out at this point who their friends are and who their friends aren't.

[Megan]

We've got business to get involved in.

[Sam Roberts]

That's 100% right. Yeah. The Intercontinental championship is on the line at Saturday night's main event. All ego, Ethan Page goes for the title against Penta. And you know, Ethan Page made A lot of good points tonight on this podcast, but, I mean, I will say I felt like I did a pretty good job making my own points that. That as hard as Ethan Page has worked to get to the spot that he's in, Penta's had a very similar journey.

[Megan]

He has.

[Sam Roberts]

Penta's one of these guys that was wrestling for years and years in every organization you can possibly imagine, just about every organization that Ethan Page has been a part of. Penta has also been a part of every bit of the motivation that Ethan Page talks about having. Penta also has, you know, so feeling like a rude awakening for Ethan Page.

[Megan]

Yeah, Especially Penta. I mean, operating on this level since WrestleMania, going into WrestleMania and.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. Getting a taste of gold and now going like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Megan]

Hungry for the rain.

[Sam Roberts]

This is going nowhere. Nowhere. We'll see. We'll see. It'll be a huge moment for Ethan Page. And then, of course, our women's trios match. Women's three on three. You've got. Oh. Oh, yeah, of course. Before we get to the three on three, the tag. Women's Tag Team championship as well. Hit me with that. Women's tag team championship. We can go to the women's three on three. After Paige and Brie Bella, who have been defending these championships like crazy. We saw him in action on smackdown. We saw him in action tonight. Getting past the judgment day. Now they're facing the irresistible forces at Saturday night's main event. Paige and Bri, who did not have much tagging experience before this, have been thrown together. Together. Yeah, of course. Of course. Have been thrown really into this lion's den, into this, like, most competitive that the women's tag division has ever been by a mile. By a mile. And now you've got the irresistible forces. Lash legend Nia Jax, who have had a chance. They were never pinned and they've had those titles. They want those titles back. They were identified by those titles for a long time. I mean, I could see them getting it, but there's a. There's a lot of tag teams out there right now. This will be. This is. This is. I'm gonna have my eye on this one.

[Megan]

Me too. You know, the athleticism of last Legend and Nia Jax and just the things that they can do in the ring.

[Ethan Page]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Combine that with the hunger. But then at the same time, Paige and Brie Bella, I feel like they're. It's crazy as it. It sounds to me. It seems like they have something to prove.

[Sam Roberts]

They do have something to Prove because this is a completely different division than the one that either of them had competed in before.

[Megan]

It just sounds crazy to be like, oh, Brie Bella's got something to prove when she's a hall of famer.

[Sam Roberts]

And Paige revolutionized the entire industry. But the fact is that once you revolutionize the industry, the shifts with what you created, and now it's time to find out if you can hang in the space that you created. And I think that that's what this match and a lot of the matches that Paige and Brie Bella have had are all about. And then of course, the match I was talking about before, the six women's tag match that was announced on Smackdown. I mean, talking about a legendary team.

[Megan]

This is so crazy to see Charlotte

[Sam Roberts]

Flair and Rhea Ripley together with Alexa Bliss Nuts. Against Jade Cargill, Meech and B. Fab. I mean, you'd like to think that they're that Charlotte, Ria Ripley and Alexa Bliss would be unstoppable, but that Charlotte, Alexa chemistry is a very, very unique chemistry. And I don't know what happens when you throw another element in there. We know that Meechen, Jade Cargill and B. Fab are a unit.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know.

[Megan]

Remember the drama before elimination chamber course getting Charlotte and Ria to be on the same team?

[Sam Roberts]

Of course. Insane. Look, we are gonna unpack it all coming off of Saturday night's main event. Going into next Monday night, we will be here on WWE now on the Raw recap. To recap every last bit of it, Brock Lesnar's back. Unbelievable. Thank you guys for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe across all audio platforms, comment like on YouTube and we'll see you next week here on the Raw Recap.

[Megan]

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