Full Clash in Paris preview

Summary

---

Raw Recap with Sam Roberts and Megan Morant

Episode: Full Clash in Paris Preview
Date: August 28, 2025

---

Episode Overview

In this special preview episode of Raw Recap, hosts Sam Roberts and Megan Morant—the week’s Raw already set the WWE Universe buzzing—dive deep into the card for Clash in Paris. They're joined by fan-favorite special guest Big E, who adds both analytical insight and backstage perspective. Together, they explore match implications, debate which bout should main event, and break down the stories and stars to watch, all with the signature energy and banter fans expect.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Main Event Debate: Which Match Should Close Clash in Paris?

• The trio launch into a spirited debate about which match is worthy of closing the show.
  • Sam's View:
    • Lists Cena vs. Logan Paul, the Fatal 4-Way for the World Heavyweight Championship, and Roman Reigns vs. Bronson Reed as all having main event potential.

      "You can make an argument that John Cena vs. Logan Paul main events this show...or the World title Fatal 4-Way...or Roman vs. Bronson Reed." (01:02)

• Big E's Analysis:
  • Argues the World Heavyweight Championship Fatal 4-Way deserves top billing due to its star power and layered storytelling. He highlights each participant’s trajectory and the unpredictable alliances and interference at stake.

    "For me, that is the main event...just seeing the dynamic as well...there's so much. It's very juicy from a story perspective." (02:34)

  • Emphasizes the "no disqualification" stipulation and the possibility of outside interference (Paul Heyman, Bron Breakker) making the match combustible.

2. Multiple Storylines, Multiple Possibilities

• Sam and Big E discuss how the placement of certain matches could depend on shocking outcomes, such as a possible Bronson Reed victory over Roman Reigns.

  "If Bronson Reed is going to decimate Roman Reigns, maybe that is something to put at the end of the show...You're left with a 'what the hell is going to happen next' feeling." (09:25)

3. John Cena vs. Logan Paul: Retirement Tour Meets Disruption

• Megan’s Pick for Main Event:

  • Campaigns for Cena vs. Logan, noting Cena’s "retirement tour," his return to being a babyface, and the buzz Logan brings.

    "We have been promised this retirement tour by John Cena...his last time in Paris against Logan Paul." (06:18)

• Sam and Big E Reflect on John Cena’s Persona:

  • Sam compares modern Cena to a stern, disappointed father figure, noting his promo’s emotional weight against Logan Paul.

    "It's like Ralph Wiggum and his heart getting broken in slow motion..." (18:41)

  • Big E adds color from backstage experience:

    "When Dad Cena appears, I'm telling you, there is something so soul crushing, it makes you feel like a small child again..." (19:47)

• Logan Paul’s Place in WWE:

  • Discussion of whether Logan has 'earned' his spot and how the locker room and audience perceive him.

    "Ultimately, when the bell is rung, it doesn't matter if Logan is a parasite or not...I think that's who he is." (22:42)

4. Fatal 4-Way: Storylines, Alliances, and Unpredictability

• The dynamic between competitors is discussed, with special focus on:
  • L.A. Knight’s aggression, Punk’s resurgence, Jey Uso’s confidence, and Seth Rollins’ political power grab.
  • The possibility of shifting alliances (Paul Heyman, The Vision, etc.).

    "We have so many different combustible elements as well in the Fatal four way match." (11:10)

• Jey Uso’s Self-Belief:
  • Big E questions if Jey Uso truly sees himself as worthy of the world title, or if he’s content being a popular merch-mover.

    "[Jey's] mentality is so interesting...does he realize he belongs...? Sometimes he still needs that pep talk to realize, oh yeah, I can still be that guy." (14:45)

5. Becky Lynch vs. Nikki Bella: Women’s Intercontinental Title

• Megan showers praise on Becky as a champion who "lifts others up," referencing her defense record (even as Sam jokes about needing a fact check).
• Big E discusses Nikki’s return, her growth, and the significance of their clash:

  "This is not the same Nikki Bella I knew five, six years ago...I think winning this title would mean a lot to her..." (24:57)

  • Points out Becky's craftiness, experience, and how rust may factor for Nikki.

6. Sheamus vs. Rusev: Donnybrook Match

• Big E relishes the setup:
  • Calls out Sheamus’s performances in Europe as especially resonant.

    "Seamus in Europe is like...I think Seamus comes alive even more." (28:28)

  • Praises Rusev’s physicality and the match’s potential as a sleeper hit.

    "If you're looking at a dark horse match...this is it." (30:27)

• All agree: this bout could steal the show and be "buzzed about" on social media after the event.

7. Roman Reigns vs. Bronson Reed: New Chapter

• Sam’s Perspective:
  • Feels this match signals a return to a substantive Roman Reigns story post-WrestleMania 40.

    "For the first time since WrestleMania 40, feels like we're getting that Roman story of what we're finally getting, what is next for Roman Reigns." (33:25)

• Big E’s Analysis:
  • Considers this a "massive test" for Bronson Reed—could he become an all-time great or will the moment be too big?

    "We know who Roman Reigns is...but for me, when I think about the future of our industry, I'm looking at this current crop and the next crop, and I want to see out of Bronson Reed..." (35:05)

• Megan:
  • Will be focusing on Paul Heyman and his reactions, hinting at potential drama with Heyman’s allegiances.

    "All eyes for me will be on Paul Heyman...when the tribal thief takes on the tribal chief." (38:16)

---

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On the stakes of the Fatal 4-Way:

  "For me, that is the main event...the amount of different stories between all four men."
  — Big E (02:34)

• On John Cena’s promo with Logan Paul:

  "It's like Ralph Wiggum and his heart getting broken in slow motion..."
  — Sam (18:41)

• On Becky Lynch’s reign:

  "I think Becky is as sharp as they come, and I think she's at the stage...just getting craftier, just getting smarter."
  — Big E (24:57)

• On Sheamus in Europe:

  "I think Sheamus comes alive even more...especially in Europe."
  — Big E (28:28)

• On Roman Reigns’ current run:

  "This is the first chapter in this new phase of Roman Reigns."
  — Sam (33:25)

• On Bronson Reed's crucible:

  "I need an all Bronson Reed camera because I want to see...is he a guy who can dig deep and put on that caliber of match...?"
  — Big E (35:34)

---

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Which Match Should Main Event? – (01:05 - 09:25)
• Cena vs. Logan Paul Discussion – (06:17 - 11:10; 18:41 - 23:06)
• Fatal 4-Way Story Breakdown – (09:25 - 14:45)
• Jey Uso’s Mindset & Legacy – (14:45 - 16:10)
• Becky Lynch vs. Nikki Bella – (23:07 - 27:05)
• Sheamus vs. Rusev, Donnybrook Match Analysis – (27:58 - 31:07)
• Roman Reigns vs. Bronson Reed: New Era – (31:08 - 38:16)

---

Tone, Style & Banter

The episode is full of playful ribbing (especially regarding Megan’s Becky Lynch fandom and questionable fact-checking), warmth between all three panelists, and genuine excitement for the Paris crowd and the unpredictable stakes at hand.
Big E’s enthusiasm for donnybrooks and his insight into performer psychology stand out, while Sam’s wry humor and Megan’s giddy energy keep the momentum high.

---

Final Thoughts

The hosts agree: Clash in Paris is packed with matches that could credibly main event, and is brimming with layered narratives and superstar performances. Whether it’s the emotional weight of John Cena’s (potentially) final acts, the ever-evolving world title scene, or the pure spectacle of Sheamus in his element, fans are in for a memorable event—one that will define the direction of WWE’s fall and beyond.

---

Transcript

[TJ Watt]

I'm NFL linebacker TJ Watt and this is my personal best. YPB by Abercrombie is the activewear I'm always wearing. That's why I reached out to co design their latest drop. I worked with designers to create high performance activewear that holds up to my toughest workouts. Shop YPB by Abercrombie in store online and in the app because your personal best is greater than any.

[State Farm Sponsor]

This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Checking off the boxes on your to do list is a great feeling and when it comes to checking off coverage, a State Farm agent can help you choose an option that's right for you. Whether you prefer talking in person on the phone or using the award winning app, it's nice knowing you have help finding coverage that best fits your needs. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

[Sam]

Welcome to a special edition of the Raw recap WWE and Fanatics original production where we step out of Raw and step out of recap. As a matter of fact, we're here to preview Clash in Paris and not only am I joined by my co host Megan Morant, but we also have great friend of the show and one of the one of the top analysts in the game right now. Oh, Big E is here to help us break this card down. Biggie. Welcome to the Clash in Paris Raw recap Preview special.

[Big E]

Well done. Smooth, silky smooth coming off the tongue.

[Sam]

Thank you. I'm a professional broadcaster. I don't know if they told you.

[Megan Morant]

I think you made that up on the spot.

[Sam]

No, no, no, no no, no. It's very well branded, orchestrated. Look, we've been talking about this card and the fact that, you know, it's developed and right under our noses we're left with five matches that every single one of them have mega, mega ramifications. This is a debate that we were having that I was having with the callers on the show that I do on Sirius, which is what match Main events this show I think you can make an argument that John Cena vs. Logan Paul Main Events this show I think you could make an argument that the world title Fatal4Way obviously could main event the show. It's the World Heavyweight Championship. I personally think you could also make the argument that Roman Reigns versus Bronson Reed could main event the show. E, do you have any, any sort of thoughts on what you think could or should Main Event I think those.

[Big E]

Are all very viable options. I think for me a World Championship match. Look, I know the star caliber of Roman Reigns, but we have a World title match with guys who are clear first, hall of Famers and CM Punk and Seth Rollins. But we also have, you know, really, you know, we have Jay uso, we have La Knight. I for me, that is the main event and is worthy of the main event. And just seeing the dynamic as well, I think there's so much. It's very juicy from a story perspective as well. You think? One, how many opportunities is La Knight going to get at the world title? He's someone we have all been a fan of for quite some time and. And you kind of keep. I feel like he's butting his head up against that glass ceiling and you keep waiting for him to break through. And I think having a great performance in Paris can allow him to break through. Also seeing Jey uso, is Jay going to be a guy who gets one sniff at a world championship and then is just a big merch mover or is he a guy who can be the foundation of the world title picture? Is he someone that can continue to be main event Jey uso? And then you have CM Punk again. Like we just saw him be world Champion for five minutes, just five minutes and that was it. But he's a guy who has. He seems rejuvenated since coming back to wwe. He seems very focused. He seems to be on a mission. So for me, that is the main event. Just with the amount of different stories between all four men. But then the larger story as well with, look, I don't want to see three guys all be on the same page in a fatal four way match. But knowing that Paul Heyman's out there, knowing that the owner of the Shula is out there as well, knowing that Bron Breaker, look, this is a match in which there is no disqualification. We're going to say this time and time again, but interference can happen at any moment with no repercussions. So if those three don't have some semblance of a plan as to how to dispatch of those other gentlemen, Seth Rollins is going to easily walk away still your world champion. So I think just with all those elements, for me that should definitely be the main event of Clash in Paris.

[Sam]

I think there are a couple of things there because I'm going to get your opinion on that too. But there are a couple of things that you just said. Number one, I think there's also a story with Seth Rollins which is, did he really, you know, ever. From WrestleMania onward, it was the expressed goal is to win the world Heavyweight title. Because the world Heavyweight title has political power that Seth and his faction need in in order to feel like they are shaping the future of the industry, which is their expressed goal. Did Seth Rollins really cash in just to hold the championship for one ple cycle? You know what I mean? Cause that's what happens. Like, honestly, like, if he loses in Paris, that's a failure. To answer your other question about the elements on the outside of the ring, one would think that Bronson Reed will be there, but if he gets absolutely wrecked by the tribal chief earlier in the evening, maybe Bronson Reed won't be there. Is that for you?

[Megan Morant]

I was thinking.

[Sam]

Really?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. When you said, you know, the owner of the Shula fala, I'm like, is he going to be owning the Shula Falla still after taking on Roman reigns in Paris? So I think that throws a wrinkle to this as well. You ask what the main event should be.

[Sam]

Don't.

[Megan Morant]

No, I'm not going to. I'm not going to say Becky lynch for the Intercontinental Championship, even though that is my dream.

[Sam]

I know it is.

[Megan Morant]

Main event match Becky lynch against Nikki Bella for the Intercontinental Championship. Okay. I'm not gonna spend time on the podcast arguing that this should be the main event, but I could, but I'm not going to.

[Sam]

That shows real. That shows real control and I mean professionalism.

[Megan Morant]

Thank you.

[Sam]

I appreciate it.

[Megan Morant]

I'm a journalist, as you talked about.

[Big E]

Yeah, you are.

[Megan Morant]

To me, I think it should be John Cena and Logan Paul.

[Sam]

Really?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. Because we have been promised this retirement tour by John Cena and we've been on it. And for the majority of the retirement tour, we've gotten heel John Cena. Now we have baby face. Good guy. John Cena finally back his last time in Paris against Logan Paul. I think this is a man that love him or hate him, he has just been outstanding in every ple match that he's had. I mean, highlight after highlight. And I. I know it. It doesn't. It doesn't have the world Heavyweight championship on the line, but this is John Cena. This is the greatest of all time. And I would love to see him main event, a show in Paris. Why not?

[Sam]

And we did. To see what this version of John Cena looks like in a main event.

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Sam]

And I'll tell you something. That heel version of John Cena no.

[Megan Morant]

Good at main events.

[Sam]

I didn't love when he was main eventing.

[Big E]

Shows baby face John Cena.

[Megan Morant]

Main events.

[Sam]

Great main events.

[Megan Morant]

Pretty good.

[Sam]

Great main events. Great main event. That one. John Cena Randy Orton match. You were like, okay, that was pretty good, right, guys? That was pretty good. Now all of a sudden, he has this Cody Rhodes main event. And you're right. And I mean, look, that match does have a little. A little more meat on the bone because, you know, you got Nick Aldis over here going, hey, John, I just talked to Brock Lesnar before.

[Big E]

Boom.

[Sam]

The knockout punch comes and you're like, what the hell is going on in John Cena's life? But, E, would it hurt you to see Logan Paul get the main event on a show like this?

[Big E]

It's something that I definitely contemplated. But look, the guy has. I don't know if earned it is the right way to phrase that, but I think we've seen someone who has definitely surpassed a lot of people's expectations of what he should be and would be in the ring. So the Logan Paul of it all doesn't bother me as much. And I'm with you as well. Look, the John Cena that we saw, that version of John against Cody, I honestly, I didn't think that was in him anymore. I didn't think he physically still had it. I didn't think he was capable of that. But I'm someone like, I hold the World Championship so highly. And if we're relegating the world title to an opening match to something that's the middle of the card, I don't love that. I don't love that precedent. But look, I mean, to your point, we have a lot of big matches that feel like they could main event this card. And I love that. I love that for the fans in Paris, and the French fans, I think, are really, truly some of the best in the world. We're gonna see at smackdown. That Leon crowd I still like, I still get chills and I don't really get FOMO too often in our industry, but I was not there. We did the studio show for the kickoff last year when Leon got backlash, and I was so envious that I wasn't there because that was incredible. So I think Leon is gonna give us a great taste on Friday for smackdown and on Sunday in Paris, I think we're gonna get one incredible crowd reaction that crank up the decibel meter. Make sure to have that thing out, too. That's the great thing is we have a lot of matches that I think you could argue are worthy. But for me, the World Championship should always be the one that closes the show.

[Sam]

And I think it's going to be a fascinating one, too, because I would. I Would say in just about all these matches, there are multiple things that could happen. And for me, it's almost like when you say, well, which one should main event? I go, it depends on what's going to happen in these matches. You know what I mean? Like all of a sudden, if, if X is going to happen, Y is going to happen, Z is going to happen. Well, maybe this does become the headline of the show. Maybe this is the scene that you should be leaving this show on. But, but, but. And I think that that's why for this show specifically, with all these variables, it becomes this thing. Like, let's say Seth Rollins retains the championship in the Fatal Four way, which I think is a strong possibility. Let's say he does that at the beginning of the night and then at the end of the night, you know, lightning strikes and Bronson Reed absolutely decimates Roman Reigns. If Bronson Reed is going to decimate Roman Reigns, maybe that is something to put at the end of the show. Just because you're left with a well, what the hell is going to happen next Feeling. Yeah, that becomes one of those things to end on. It's just so, like there's so. There's so much. And I also feel like, especially after the ESPN deal got announced, especially with like expectations for what the Russell Palooza show is going to look like, and then it's right onto Perth and then we're headed into war games. Like with all this stuff that's in front of us, I don't think anybody really knows what after Clash in Paris kind of looks.

[Megan Morant]

And to that point, Sam, that's one of the reasons I would love to see John Cena and Logan Paul because of the Brock Lesnar element. Who knows Brock Lesnar come out of SummerSlam and we haven't seen him since.

[Big E]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that's very true. But I also, I will argue in the four way we have all these combustible elements. We saw tonight, we saw Jay super kick CM Punk at the end, you know, had a lot of people at pause. Look, is Paul Heyman and Seth Rollins is the Vision done? Could we potentially see a Jay uso decide to side with the Vision? Could we see La Knight do the same? Could we see CM Punk get back with his old friend Paul Heyman? That's what I love as well, is we go into Clash of Paris with all these questions and look that we have so many guys at the top of the card contending for that. And you see a guy like La Knight who Has been so hot for so long. But, like, what is it that he needs to get over the hump? Maybe it is aligning with a Paul Heyman. Maybe that's what really changes his trajectory. So I would also argue that you have so many different combustible elements as well in the Fatal four way match. To me, that. And that's why I'm excited to see how all these pieces move around.

[Megan Morant]

We also haven't seen Roman Reigns have a singles match since Sam.

[Big E]

I don't know.

[Megan Morant]

You keep this every day.

[Sam]

His last televised singles match was January 6th on Netflix. Roman Reigns last ple singles match was WrestleMania 40 against Cody Rhodes.

[Megan Morant]

Crazy.

[Big E]

And when was his last one without a title on the line? You know, it might be damn near a decade. You know, like, it's been a long time. It's been a very long time.

[Sam]

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. But I think you bring up a good point, right? I think that we can't. We can't overstate the combustibility of this Fatal four way match. Especially after Raw on Monday and everything that went down where it felt like we were talking about on the recap show, like, I was kind of getting a little fed up with L A Knight showing the amount of reverence that he was showing for CM Punk and the respect going like, look, I get it, I get it. We're after the same thing. Just, you know, wrong place, wrong time. Like, I'm like, this is not L A Knight. This is not. When you're at your best, your best is the L A Knight who is selfish, who only cares about himself, whether he's a good guy or a bad guy. The fans are cheering or the fans are booing. And it's very rare that the fans are booing. They're always going to be cheering. You know, it's like, you're out there. And I feel like that message had to be delivered loud and clear on that Monday night Raw show. That was the last Raw before Clash in Paris. When you've got LA Knight now getting into it with Punk and being fed up and not only having that confrontation, which, to your point, E, makes me go, you know what I'd be into LA Knight versus CM Punk. I'd be into seeing these two. These two elements and these two tell a story together. But at the same time, man, Roman Reigns sitting down with Jey USO and saying, look, this is about representation. This is about us being at the top and having that gold. This ain't about anything else. This ain't about your Friendships. And then he said this. That's just me. That's just my advice. You know what I mean? This wasn't tribal chief sending a soldier in. This was just Roman saying, this has been his motivation from the beginning of the bloodline. And Jay something, something clicking in Jay USO where he was like, you know, I'm still here. You guys are welcome to yeet. I'm still here to have a good time. I'm still going to run it back when it's time to run it back. But ultimately, Roman's right. This isn't me and my friends facing Seth Rollins. This is a fatal four way. And I was the World Heavyweight Champion. Why shouldn't I be the World Heavyweight Champion again?

[Big E]

No, absolutely. And you know, there, it's interesting in that conversation with Roman, thinking about Jay, I. His mentality is so interesting to me because we're talking about someone who's been on the main roster. And Roman talked about like, look, you've been around for damn near 20 years, on the main roster for 15 years, been a former world champion. And sometimes I still think he has this. I don't know if it's an insecurity, if he realizes he belongs, but sometimes it seems like he still needs that pep talk to realize, oh, yeah, I can still be that guy. Oh, yeah, I can go out there and I can beat Gunther. I can be the best in the world. And if we see a Jey uso who is a little shaky in his confidence, who doesn't think he belongs at all, I don't think Jey USO walks out as world champion. So that, that for me was really telling. What mindset going into Paris is Jay going to have? Is he going to realize, like, yeah, I'm that guy and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to be a champion. Or is. Is he a guy who is comfortable being a merch mover, being really popular and just being kind of, you know, there, but. But not quite at the very top. So that his, his mentality going in is something that I'm really intrigued going in. Look, I don't think. I don't have those concerns with Punk. I think La Knight realizes very much like it's now or never. But when Jay is really focused, when he's ready, he can be as good as anyone. It's just, do you walk in knowing I am worthy of that title?

[Ebglis Sponsor]

Once again, Exuma isn't always obvious, but it's real. And so is the relief from Ebgliss after an initial dosing phase. About 4 in 10 people taking EBGLIS achieved itch relief and clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks, and most of those people maintained skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.

EBGLIS Librekizumab LBKZ, a 250mg 2ml injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema, also called atopic dermatitis, that is not well controlled with prescription therapy, therapies used on the skin or topicals, or who cannot use topical therapies. EBGLIS can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you're allergic to ebglis. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebglis before starting Epglis, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection searching for real relief.

Ask your doctor about epglis and visit epgliss.lilly.com or call 1-800-lilyrx or 1-800-545-5979.

[Lowe's Sponsor]

Lowes knows tough jobs call for tougher tools the new DeWalt Elite Series power Tool accessories are built to last for the pro who doesn't stop with precision, fitment, durability and impact resistance, finishing jobs faster has never been easier. Shop the new DeWalt Elite Series at an everyday low price exclusively at Lowe's. We help you save.

[Ebglis Sponsor]

The Jack Welch Management Institute at Strayer University helps you go from I know the way to I've arrived with our top 10 ranked online MBA. Gain skills you can learn today and apply tomorrow. Get ready to go from make it happen to made it happen and keep striving. Visit strayer.edu Jack Welchmba to learn more. Strayer University is certified to operate in Virginia by Chev and has many campuses, including at 2121 15th Street north in Arlington, Virginia.

[LinkedIn Ads Sponsor]

Does it ever feel like you're a marketing professional just speaking into the Boyd? Well, with LinkedIn ads you can know you're reaching the right decision makers. You can even target buyers by job title industry company Seniority skills. Wait, did I say job title yet? Get started today and see how you can avoid the void and reach the right buyers with LinkedIn ads. We'll even give you a $100 credit on your next campaign. Get started at LinkedIn.com results, terms and conditions apply.

[Sam]

I thought the John Cena, Logan Paul stuff has been really great, you know, and I was talking about this on my podcast. What I liked about the John Cena, Logan Paul back and forth was that we got the John Cena who we've gotten in the past. We got the John Cena that we saw with Austin Theory. We got the John Cena that we saw with Solo Sikoa, where it's almost like, you know, your dad is talking to you and he's not impressed with you. You know what I mean? And it's like. It's a mean John Cena. It's like a. Oh. Like, it's not like. Like we're telling a wrestling story here. It's like. It's like Ralph Wiggum and his heart getting broken in slow motion. You know what I mean? Like. Like, it's. It's soul crushing John Cena. It's like John Cena who's like, oh, I know we've been having fun, but I'm the smartest person here, and I see everything. And here I'm serving to you on a platter the truth. And when he says Logan, like, no, Logan, you're right. You're not an outsider. You're a parasite, and you are here to take and take and make yourself better for it. You've had 23 matches. I've been here for 23 years. It was like, who?

[Big E]

Yeah, yeah. It's that whole. I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. I've seen that side of Jon, but not in the wrestling ring. So, quick backstory. We used to all play Clash of Clans. The others played. Speaking of Clash and Bears, we used to play Clash of Clans, and Cena was the reason we all got in. And when we would have, like, our attacks, we would do war backstage. And if you had a bad attack, you would see Cena coming down the hall and you would. We would, like, walk the other direction because, you know, he would give you that. That look of, I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. And when Cena. When Dad Cena appears, I'm telling you, there is something so soul crushing, it makes you feel like a small child again to think you have let this man down. So, yeah, I have seen that face and I've heard that voice.

[Sam]

Did you see the video that was around of John explaining, like, Americanos and, like, the coffee that he likes to get? I did see those, like, breaking down the latte. He goes like, I order it. This way, because if you search, it should be the first of all, this is the wrong cup. And they said, well, we got it from Conde Nast or whatever. And he was like, well, clearly they're a food first, coffee second establishment. I prefer a coffee first establishment. A coffee for any proceeds. To explain to you in a way where it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not a debate. This is not a. Here's my opinion. I'm going to explain this to you so that you know, and hopefully you'll be better for it. And I don't want to have to tell you this again.

[Big E]

It's hard. It's hard to swallow when. When you get that. That side of John Cena. But look, it's so interesting because I think of the promo that John and Logan had just a few months ago when those two were teaming together, and a lot of, like, A lot of what he's saying then it's like, all right, that makes sense. But also hearing, like, the other side of the coin now that they're not on the same side, now that they're going head to head. And he makes very similar points. But look, I don't think Logan talks a lot about not being an outsider, about being someone who's been around and whatnot, but I think in many ways, Cena is very right about. About him being a parasite. Unfortunately, in our industry, there are a lot of parasites. In entertainment as a whole, there are a lot of people who just take and take. So it's not Logan's responsibility to give back to the industry, to bring others up, to be a good citizen. That man has done what he's intended to do. He's come in, he's been a disruptor, he's gotten his viral moments. A lot of people would argue that he is not what pro wrestlers should be. He doesn't epitomize what we want out of our performers and our industry. But he's come in, he has. You know, he's been on espn. He's. He's gotten his name out there. He's impressed a lot of people. So Cena can feel the way he feels. And I think that goes for a lot of the way the locker room feels about Logan and the way a lot of our fans feel as well. But ultimately, when the bell is wrong, it doesn't matter if Logan is a parasite or not. It doesn't matter if he's here to be a robber baron, to just take and take and then flee when he's milked Everything he can. Because I. I think that's who he is.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Big E]

I think he is someone who's clearly just here for himself. He is. He is not someone like you think of, like a Bailey, who is always talking about trying to bring up the rest of the locker room, trying to make sure that our industry is in a great state 10, 15 years from now. Look, if it's up to Logan, I think he's trying to extract as much value as he can get, as many dollars as he can, and if he can leave WWE an empty, soulless husk and the body is quivering on the ground, he will.

[Sam]

Yes, I believe that's right.

[Megan Morant]

Well, someone who does things the right way all the time is the women's Intercontinental Champion, Becky lynch. And she will be defending her title against the hall of Famer Nikki Bella. I mean, at Clash in Paris. And, I mean, you mentioned Bailey, but when I think of people lifting others up, I just. I think of Becky Lynch. I mean, it's hard to argue that she's done anything but greatness in her career in wwe, and I think she continues to do that with this Intercontinental Championship run. How do you look at the match between Becky and Nikki?

[Big E]

I take issue with a lot of things I don't.

[Megan Morant]

I don't understand.

[Big E]

Just drove right by Becky. Becky is a dear friend, someone I have known well for quite some time. But let's not act, especially as a journalist, where. Where is the impartial journalism from you, Meghan? Little disappointing here.

[Sam]

That is disappointing.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, Sam and I broke this down in the recap show, but just saying that Becky lynch is the C word. I mean, she's not a coward. Oh, she's not a coward.

[Big E]

Just let's be clear about the C word.

[Sam]

Coward.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, in no way, shape, or form is she a coward. I told Sam she's probably, you know, the person who's defended the Intercontinental Championship the most since Macho Man, Randy Savage. I didn't fact check that. I'm just gonna say it.

[Sam]

I mean, you're literally talking to a former Intercontinental Champion.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, and Becky's defended the title more than Big E did.

[Sam]

I don't think that's right. I think it is. I mean, you're doing live events. I don't think that that's true. I don't think it's right, right, right, right.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, if you look at days she's held the title and defenses that she's had, I think Becky is more.

[Sam]

Why do you. I mean, you can think all you want. There are Literally, statistics to break it all down. You got a cage match. Whatever you want to go to, it's there.

[Megan Morant]

What do you think of this match?

[Big E]

This is not the right time to talk about the state of media and the lack of fact checking, but this is. Let's talk about that another time. Huge issue. But what I will say is I'm really excited to see see who Nikki Bella is in 2025, and I think she is someone who has excitedly come back. It's really great. I've had time to interact with her, doing fanatics live, seeing her with fans, seeing her at the stage of life, and her perspective is really interesting, too. This is not the same Nikki Bella I knew, you know, five, six years ago. She's grown a lot. She's had a lot of life challenges to deal with, and I think she's stronger for them. And I think this run is really meaningful for her. And. And I think she wants to not only just go out there and have good performances, I think she wants to go out there and further cement her legacy. I think she wants to demonstrate that she is not just here for a farewell tour where she makes appearances, gets quickly beaten or is just in the background. I think winning this title would mean a lot to her, and I think going in with that kind of focus is really crucial. But I will say I think Becky is as sharp as they come, and I think she's at the stage. I love this version of Becky who, who I think there are a lot of performers who get better with age. But it's like this, this realization that you might not be the peak athlete that you were at 25, but you're smarter, you're craftier, you. You can, you know, you have a bigger bag of tricks to pull from. So she might not have the same burst and explosion. And look, none of us do in our late 30s as we did in our mid-20s, but she's a much smarter, much craftier version of herself. And I think she has all those tricks of the trade. And, and I think that's why Nikki, I think, is going to have a very hard time beating Becky for this championship is, you know, Nikki has, you know, she's done so many things in her career and she's out hosting, she's doing TV shows, she's doing all these things. But, you know, you always wonder, where. Where's rust play a factor into this? Is she as sharp as Becky is? And I think Becky's someone who is continuing to add to her toolbox. I think she's Just getting craftier, just getting smarter. And I think that will be the difference on Sunday.

[Sam]

And I will say I do think that Becky is performing at a very, very, very high level and requires the people around her to perform at a very, very, very high level. But I think that very quickly, Nikki Bella is very familiar with that situation and performing at a very, very, very high level. And I think that in really no time flat, Nikki has gone from okay, let's see where I fit in here to okay, oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm ready to swim with the sharks and be up here. Because there has been no time, whether it's been, you know, in, in, in a promo battle going, you know, word for word or when physicality was involved, as it was on Monday, that Nikki Bella looks out of step or in the wrong position at all. So I'm, I'm with you on this. I'm very much looking forward to it as he. I know you are looking forward to the, the good old fashioned Donnie Brooke.

[Big E]

Let's talk about it. I thought we should have let. That was the one match we didn't talk about as a potential main event. Because if I was the commissioner of this thing, it look, we would do, we would do weigh ins, they would be pack. Look, we would do an hour of build up with every packages throughout the show.

[Sam]

By the way, is there anything better than a pro wrestling weigh in in a sport that has no weight class?

[Big E]

It's so ridiculous. Ridiculous.

[Sam]

Who is this for Difference doesn't make what they weigh.

[Megan Morant]

It's great. It's great.

[Big E]

I would just like to know. Personally, I would love to know, but a whole tale of the tape. I want to know how long their limbs are, all those things, you know. Yeah. And actually I would love to be the one who measures a live measuring. But look, first of all, I think Seamus in Europe is like, you know, we talk about certain people, we talk about Brett when he's in Canada, we talk about certain performers in certain regions in their hometown. Whatever it is, I think Sheamus comes alive even more. Look, Sheamus is going to bring it every single night, even if he's in Timbuktu, but especially in Europe. I think he feeds off that energy. I think he's someone who feels like the appreciation of the crowd and I love so much. I don't think we talk enough about kind of the second chapter of Sheamus. I think of the Sheamus who had seven years of being a world champion or being in the world title picture and then a guy who had to kind of reconfigure himself as he fell into the mid card, as he started winning more tag team titles and was a tag guy. But this version of Sheamus, who I think is still underrated and is still just. Just brings it every single night. He and Rusev, I think, bring the very best out of each other, and I'm so glad they're getting the spotlight. I love that it's a donnybrook match. I want to say the last donnybrook or bar brawl that I remember from Sheamus. I remember the Jeff Hardy match during the. The pandemic, and those guys really brought a lot of really creative stuff. But I think Seamus does such a great job of being creative and brutal in these kinds of matches, and I'm really excited. And on the other hand, when we talk about hard hitters, Rusev is up there with the guys that have hit me the very hardest, and it brought the best out of me. I've had several singles matches with Rusev in my career, and I think this version of Rusev hasn't lost a step. I see a guy who is just as athletic. I think he's focused. I love that we didn't wait for a year, two years after Rusev's return to get to this match because, you know, there is something about two guys who used to be friends who know how to bring it and are going to hit each other harder than they would their enemies. You know, it's that level of familiarity, I think, has really just allowed those guys to flourish in their violence and the brutality. So I'm really excited about this match. I think it's going to truly deliver. If you're looking at a dark horse match, to be the one that people are buzzing about afterwards, to be the one that's going to have highlights all over Twitter or Instagram, the one that we're still buzzing about, I think this is it, because I know this match is not going to disappoint.

[Sam]

I think you're right about that, and I think you're. I mean, excellent point to bring up about the fact that Seamus is in Europe, the fact that it's on a ple. Because Seamus has this very unique ability that I had never really seen before to somehow turn, I mean, just utter brutality into something Shakespearean. And you really feel like it's a. It's a. It's a Shakespearean story that you're seeing play out in front of your face with some of these absolutely brutal matches that he has had in Europe on ples. I think this one will be no different. Let's end with Roman Reigns and Bronson Reed. And I'll tell you why. I'm very excited about this one. And it's not for. It's not the shoes. The shoes add to it. The shoes are a part of it for sure. The shoes are a part of it. And I. And I. And I love that this has happened for Bronson Reed because I feel like Bronson Reed was like, you knew Seth was. You knew who Bron Breaker was. It's like, how does Bronson Reed fit in here? And now Bronson Reed has this sort of essential story that is unique to him and has helped shaping who he is and how we take him. But for me, I think that what I'm really looking at here is there's almost something to. In hindsight, everything that Roman Reigns has done since WrestleMania 40 has almost had an exhibition feel to it in the sense that, like Roman is back, he's here for a spectacular match, and every single one of them is that sort of attraction. That's what it feels like when Andre would come in and you'd get the attraction and you knew that this wasn't going to be one of the key pillar stories that you were seeing up until WrestleMania 3, obviously, but it was just that sort of exhibition attraction that will be cool to see. I think that with the build of this match, specifically with that last Monday Night Raw and not only the promo that Roman cut about having a lot to do this year and next year about Roman being on multi. Multiple segments of that episode of Monday Night Raw, that we haven't seen that from Roman in years. It feels like this, for the first time since WrestleMania 40, feels like we're getting that Roman story of what we're finally getting, what is next for Roman Reigns. And maybe you needed that, that time to breathe after everything the bloodline was for three and a half years. And maybe that's what the last year and a half has been. But to me, and maybe I'm. Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse, but to me, I truly feel like for the first time we're walking into a match where this is not just, oh, it'll be cool to see Roman and Bronson Reed go at it. Oh, it's great. We're getting a Roman match on a ple. It's. This is the first chapter in this new phase of Roman Reigns.

[Big E]

Absolutely. And you know, I love that he mentioned, look, hey, this is Jay's time to get this match. But I'm I'm coming for that title as well. Look, I'm. I'm really happy for my cousin, but I'm coming. And you still wonder, because, you know, about all the Hollywood aspirations with Roman, you know, all the things that he has, you know, coming up, and the future for him is very bright outside of the confines of the ring. So you always wonder with a guy like him, does he have one foot out already? And if he has one foot out against a guy like Bronson, it's over. So that, like, kind of almost state of the union for Roman with him just giving us little pieces of where he's at. And I love that he said, look, big things are coming for me this year and next. I love knowing, look, I'm. I'm focused and I still want a world championship. Look, I. I am not. I'm not on the Cena goodbye farewell tour. I still have big things that I want to accomplish, and. And I love knowing that. But for me, I also think in many ways, all eyes are on Bronson in this match. Like, I think this is such a massive, massive test to determine.

[Sam]

That.

[Big E]

We're going to see, you know, at the end of his career, he's held the world title for six, seven, eight times. Is he someone that's going to be mentioned amongst the greats? Is he someone who is going to be considered one of the greatest big men of all time? Is he a future hall of Famer? Who is this guy? Or, you know, because he can go out there and. And get steamrolled, and it's like, okay, that was a guy who had some promise, and, you know, he had a little bit of a run and his flame flickered out real quickly. Or is Bronson going to be a guy that we see at the top of the card, that we see winning world titles for a very long time? So for me, and I think that can still. I think in many ways, I know his focus is on winning, and that's. That's always got to be the focus. And I don't want to talk about moral victories, but I still think he can really turn a lot of heads and impress a lot of people, even in a loss. So I think, win, lose or draw, Bronson Reed has to go out there and put on one incredible performance. He has to go toe to toe. The spotlight can't be too big, and it is very easy when you're. Look, Bronson is an established guy. I don't want to call him a younger guy, but in the scheme of things, for a Roman who has been on the main roster for this long, you know, almost 15 years. It's. He is younger in many ways. He is still trying to make his hay and build his legacy to get there. And it is very easy to get washed out, to. To hear those. Roman. Roman Reigns, to hear those chants and think, this is not about me. Oh, my God, I am overwhelmed. The fans don't care about me. Roman is on fire. It is very easy to think the moment is too big for me. And that's. That's what I. I'm going to be. Look, I. You know, in football, they have, like, all 22. They have the tape where you can. You could see if you want to. You can lock in. You could just see where the ball is, or you can step out and it's like, all right, I'm watching the cornerback every single play because I want to see how he reacts. So for me, I need a separate at all times. I need a separate camera. Even if he's on the outside and Roman's doing his thing. I want to see where Bronson's head is at all times. I need an all Bronson Reed camera because I want to see if. Mentally, when I think he's a great hammer, a guy who is really good when he's leading the charge, when he's dropping tsunami after tsunami. But how do you react when you're the nail? How do you react when you're on the back foot, when Roman's taking it to you? Do you see the light in his eyes start to flicker out? Do you see a guy who is ready to pack it in, who is ready to give up, who is like, all right, this isn't my night? Or do we see a guy who is ready to kick out after a spear, who has a second win, a third win? Is he a guy who can dig deep and put on that caliber of match against one of the best to ever do it? So for me, that. That's what I really want to see. We know who Roman Reigns is, and I love that we have an idea of his trajectory as well and what his goals are in 2025 and 2026. But for me, when I think about the future of our industry, I'm looking at this current crop and the next crop, and I want to see out of Brunson Reed. I want to see a powerhouse who can deliver time and time again and be at the top of the card for the next 10, 15 years. So all eyes for me will be on Brunson.

[Megan Morant]

All eyes for me will be on Paul Heyman. I want that same all 22 camera but on Paul Heyman because we heard him say that he loves Roman reigns, that he misses his tribal chief. And I cannot wait to see how he's going to react in Paris when the tribal thief takes on the tribal chief.

[Sam]

And who knows, Maybe the day will come when Bronson Reed is elevated and he's in donnybrook matches. And maybe you'll be able to measure his thighs and his arms. You'll be able to measure every part of him. And I mean, everybody's dream could come true. Well, e, we, we always appreciate you joining us, especially for special shows like this. Of course you will be there in Paris as part of the countdown show and as part of the post show as well, I hope.

[Big E]

Yes, sir.

[Sam]

Yes, sir. And Meghan, you and I will be here after the ple to recap it here on the. On the recap podcast feed.

[Megan Morant]

Not as good of croissants here, but we'll make do.

[Sam]

I got. They know we got a Costco right by here, so it's just as good croissants here. Don't even. Don't even worry about that. I got us. I got us hooked up. Make sure you subscribe to the feed across all audio platforms. If you're watching on YouTube comments, tell all your friends about it and we will see you after Clash in Paris for the recap. Thanks, everybody.