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Sam Roberts
CM Punk and Roman Reigns are back to physicality, but Brock Lesnar and Oba Femi are not. The irresistible forces are on the show. Stephanie McMahon, of all people, gives Cody Rhodes advice for new WrestleMania matches and so much more. This is the Raw recap on WWE now of fanatics and WWE original production. Megan, we could begin in so many different places on this Madison Square Garden Raw. First of all, we are here in the world's most famous arena, bringing you WWE now RAW recap from Madison Square Garden. And there was no better place to be to feel all that energy tonight. I mean, this is one of those nights where we could start this conversation with the end of Raw.
Megan Morant
We're the beginning.
Sam Roberts
We could start it with the beginning of Raw.
Megan Morant
Ready to break down and just do a podcast right then and there with
Sam Roberts
the beginning of Raw, we absolutely could have. But I just. The energy is so fresh. We just walked off the arena floor into the WWE now studios that they have built for us in Madison Square Garden. I believe this is a permanent installation, so that's very, very exciting. But I've got to tell you, I. I'm. I'm sitting there tonight and I'm watching what's going down between Roman Reigns and CM Punk. And I've got to tell you, if in 2012, 2011, 2013, you had told me that there would be a day where Roman Reigns and CM Punk were going to headline WrestleMania and I would find myself naturally, firmly on the side of Roman Reigns, I would have thought you were crazy. I couldn't have been a bigger CM Punk fan. I couldn't have been through the rise of Roman Reigns, a bigger Roman Reigns denier. But something happened with this bloodline run where I'm sitting there annoyed, angry, dismayed at Roman Reigns taking that powerbomb through the table. I am so on Roman Reigns side going into WrestleMania. Like, why would he interrupt when the
Megan Morant
entire crowd started chanting CM Punk during the tribal?
Sam Roberts
Chief's acknowledgment. Yes, I was annoyed when Madison Square Garden was chanting CM Punk. And by the way, Madison Square Garden, for years and years and years and years, whether CM Punk has been in the building or not, have chanted CM Punk. I have chanted CM Punk. I'm one of these fans that would go to a WWE show when CM Punk wasn't working in WWE and sit in Madison Square Garden and. And chant CM Punk when he wasn't coming out. And now that he actually is coming out, I'm going, how dare you chant CM Punk's name. The tribal Chief is in the ring.
Megan Morant
Yeah. I mean, it's interesting your perspective because I think week after week I flip flop sides.
Sam Roberts
I love to hear it.
Megan Morant
After last week, I go, oh, I'm 100% cheering for Roman Reigns.
Sam Roberts
Right.
Megan Morant
Tonight, CM Punk makes his entrance. As soon as the music hits, something was different, and maybe it was the pace in which CM Punk made his way down the ramp and there was no stop. And this was physicality right away. Roman's jackets off, they're like fists are flying. No words, no words needed, right?
Sam Roberts
I mean, even Punk coming out with that fist taped up. I mean, there's something very old school about Punk coming out. He called himself middle aged and crazy last week, like Terry Funk.
Megan Morant
And when I saw him making his way to the ring with the tape fist. With the tape fist, I said, that's my guy. And last week I said, roman's my guy. So this, this WrestleMania match though, I think a lot of people have found themselves kind of a rock and a hard place right where you're like, I love CM Punk. I chanted for CM Punk when he was away for 10 years. But after the Bloodline era and what Roman Reigns did, how could you not put your one up for the tribal chief?
Sam Roberts
And I get it, and I get all the emotion and I get all the fun that everybody's having. I get why you would be flip flopping. I think a lot of people are flip flopp because honestly, like, just listening to the sounds, it's the same people that are cheering for Roman Reigns that are chanting CM Punk. Of course, it's just the building does what the building does because you get two of the most popular superstars, the
Megan Morant
modern era, and they both make us feel.
Sam Roberts
Absolutely. And they've made a career of making us feel. That's why. That's why it feels different when those two are in the ring versus everything else on the show. Even on a show as loaded as Monday Night Raw was tonight. But I think that I came to this realization where I go, no, no, no, no, no. This is where I land. Regardless of how long I spent as a CM Punk fan. It could be CM Funk with the Terry Funk references, but. But as long as I've been a CM Punk fan watching, and I know I'm a grown man, this isn't an appropriate thing, maybe, but it is just how I feel. And we can share this with each other. That's the beauty of the Raw recap. When I saw CM Punk standing on top of that guardrail of the wall and slapping five with the people in the front row, the Lin Manuel Miranda's of the world going, like, how fun is this, guys? What a great time we're all having. Look at what I've done to the tribal chief. Let's all have a great time and maybe go out and hang after this. I go, what are you all smiling about? That's the guy that put food on our table. That's the guy that. That ran everything in the WWE and brought it to its highest possible era. That's the guy we are all sitting there in Madison Square Garden. And what does Ross start with? Boom, boom. That Netflix sound. Why do we get on Netflix? Because of what the tribal chief brought us on programming week after week after after week. And then CM Punk, he plays this manipulative game, okay, I'm watching this happen in real time because. And I'll tell you, it's still under my skin. What Biggie said on Raw recap last week. It bothered me that. Remember when I had to take the shot at him?
Megan Morant
Yes. About throwing pancakes.
Sam Roberts
About throwing pancakes in the new day and everything.
Megan Morant
That was low. Well, listen, usually when they go low, you go high. You also went low.
Sam Roberts
I went low. When he went low, I said, well, how much? I didn't know. Good, I'll jump in the pit with you. Were going lower. Because he said, well, you know, it did kind of prove CM Punk's point that, you know, Roman couldn't do anything without the bloodline. And now and then I watch tonight and it's like, whoa. Roman didn't have the bloodline with him. Roman didn't have the USOs exactly what happened to him?
Megan Morant
And did it hurt even more? Because all last week, I mean, for seven days, you were going around being like, he's back. Smash them all, stack them all.
Sam Roberts
See what he did to Adam Pierce?
Megan Morant
100% back.
Sam Roberts
He broke Petey Williams in half. He's back.
Megan Morant
I mean, the problem is though, he's not facing Adam Pearce or petey Williams at WrestleMania.
Sam Roberts
Okay? This is. You're doing some of that Big E stuff now. You get me so upset. Listen, last week proved nothing. CM Punk manipulated the whole situation.
Megan Morant
CM Punk, he was sitting there laughing with a smile on his face.
Sam Roberts
He knew what he did. He put the USO's in this position,
Megan Morant
pushed all Jay's buttons.
Sam Roberts
He pushed every Jay button Jay has to come out. And then CM Punk goes, oh, look, Jay's out here. Must be because Roman sent him. It's like, no, dude, you were just pushing his buttons. Then tonight, Tonight. Oh, I'M watching these officials, and they're all getting involved. CM Punk was about to go through that table, and Danilo and the rest of them.
Megan Morant
I bring up corruption with referees and I'm crazy, and you bring it up, and now it's.
Sam Roberts
Well, it was also the officials. It wasn't just the referees. It was the officials, too. Tugging on the legs. Oh, let's not let this thing happen. Let's not let that thing happen. Adam Pearce, you know, trying to keep all these WrestleMania matches out of the ring. It's not going to happen. You're not going to keep these guys from not touching each other until WrestleMania. But there's no way that CM Punk did this without an assist. There's no way that CM Punk put Roman Reigns through that table without. And I understand you go, oh, well, they were stopping CM Punk from doing stuff, too. That's all fine and good, but this has no bearing on the story of Roman Reigns not being able to do it without help. Okay? Because tonight wasn't an example of CM Punk and Roman Reigns without help. There was a whole bunch of suits and striped shirts. And I say this metaphorically because the stripes are on the shirts. No, I understand that. It's a metaphor. Zebras, though, and not Z Bros, because they're dead.
Megan Morant
They are dead.
Sam Roberts
The Z Bros done. That was Punk and Roman finished. But there were so many people out there stopping this thing from happening that Punk was just able to find that pocket to take advantage of the situation. And then he jumped up on the guardrail and started slapping two superstars like this.
Megan Morant
That's all it's gonna take is finding the pocket to take advantage of.
Sam Roberts
But that pocket's not gonna be there at WrestleMania. I mean, because Roman Reigns is there. If Roman Reigns didn't have to spear Petey Williams out of his shoes, he
Megan Morant
would have had another spear in him, and that would have been Punk.
Sam Roberts
Punk would have already been through the table. He would have already been through the table again because Punk tried to get the best of Roman Reigns in the ring.
Megan Morant
I feel like you're getting very defensive because we're only. We're less than three weeks away from WrestleMania, and the momentum seems to have shifted heavily in Punk's favor.
Sam Roberts
No, no, we're not doing this week to week thing. Okay?
Megan Morant
You're not keeping score?
Sam Roberts
No. Because when they were in the right.
Megan Morant
Are you not keeping score because Roman's losing? Or are we not keeping score because we're not keeping score?
Sam Roberts
You think just because you can run a mile in 557 over and over and over and over and over again. I swear I was tracking it at home and I said, I can't believe. I can't believe what Megan is doing right now.
Megan Morant
You were rooting for me to fall off.
Sam Roberts
No. No.
Megan Morant
Screwed up.
Sam Roberts
No. But it was an incredible accomplishment. Thank you very much.
Megan Morant
Thank you.
Sam Roberts
But I'll tell you this. Petey Williams wasn't holding onto your ankle while you were running, was he? And if he was, you wouldn't have been able to hit that 557. Would you know you'd accomplished an incredible feat over the weekend. That's the type of person you are. You sit there and you run a marathon. 26 miles. Point two.
Megan Morant
Thank you.
Sam Roberts
At 557amile. And then you wake up the next day, you do a podcast about Monday Night Raw. It's an incredible thing. But this is that. This is the level that I like to be around, which is why I love Roman Reigns so much, because this is the level that the Tribal Chief plays at. And this narrative that is structured where you've got Adam Pearce doing this and Petey. Who did CM Punk have to hit? No one. Roman Reigns had to spear Petey Williams and punch Adam Pierce in the face because they wouldn't leave him alone when they were in the ring. You want to keep score when they were in the ring, Just the two of them. Who dominated in the ring. Just the two of them before they went to the outside of the ring.
Megan Morant
Roman.
Sam Roberts
Okay, so there's your score. There's. That's the score. That's when it's just the two of them. Punk had his fist all taped up, had his championship off, had the whole thing. He was ready to go. But when it was just the two of them, Roman's the one who had it over.
Megan Morant
Almost gonna have to tell himself that tonight when he puts his head on the pillow, because, bro, I don't know
Sam Roberts
if Roman is sleeping tonight. I want. And I stayed up there until, like, it was all cleared out.
Megan Morant
You did?
Sam Roberts
And Roman reigned. The look of. Of. Of anger on Roman Reigns's face. Sitting in that chair, realizing what had happened, that the night didn't go the way it was supposed to go. You know, Roman, he visualizes these nights. He has his systems in place. Roman's not the type of guy who takes a beating and then like, oh, I'm having a crisis of conscience. I don't know if I can actually do this. Roman's the type of guy who takes a beating and. And. And. And Just. You have no idea what you just did to yourself. You have no, because it is. You're right, it is three weeks until WrestleMania. But that's three weeks for Roman Reigns to think about what happened here. I wouldn't have wanted to give Roman Reigns three weeks to think about this outcome and then get to WrestleMania and go, well, guess what I'm going to have to do to avoid that outcome. I don't like how that feels. I'm going to have to smash them all and everybody's going to be staying away. When it's the main event of WrestleMania, there's no tomorrow. When it's the main event of WrestleMania and if there's no tomorrow, I think that's Roman Reigns all day.
Megan Morant
But do you think at all to take the side of CM Punk? I mean, do you think at all you're overlooking him?
Sam Roberts
I don't for me, no. I love CM Punk. I've been to so how many shows have we watched together?
Megan Morant
Sam that is dressed up.
Sam Roberts
What's he wearing?
Megan Morant
What shirts he wearing?
Sam Roberts
When I got an action figure that had Sam with hair, I said, well, Sam with hair didn't like suits that much. What should I dress Sam with hair
Megan Morant
in a CM Punk T shirt.
Sam Roberts
Right?
Megan Morant
Because that's what Sam with hair used to wear.
Sam Roberts
Same with hair. Loved his CM Punk T shirts. Sam with no hair loves CM Punk T shirts. But not this year. Any other year. Not this year. Not this year. I've SummerSlam. CM Punk versus Gunther. Me and you were standing right there together. I'm singing every word to Cult of personality. But it's 2026 and things have evolved to the point where I'm sitting there going, no, Roman has to do it. Roman has to do it.
Megan Morant
I just keep thinking back to all of the interactions, right? And Roman. It got the better of Punk when Roman went there and called CM Punk old. But every other interaction that they've had, even when Roman speared CM Punk and was reminded by Jey USO to smash them all. How did we end Monday Night Raw with CM Punk having a smile on his face?
Sam Roberts
Okay, but CM Punk smile on his face, the only way you could shoot it was down because he was laying on the ground in a pile of rubble. I know I'm not impressed by somebody smiling after they get their you know what handed to him.
Megan Morant
If somehow or another you see Roman Reigns through a table today and you're still manipulating the situation to the point where you're impressed by Roman Reigns, I
Sam Roberts
mean, we'll never not be impressed With Roman Reigns. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm standing Roman Reigns right now. I think I'm impressed by him. I'm standing him hard.
Megan Morant
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
But, like, here's the thing. At WrestleMania, if CM Punk is on the ground and he's smiling and Roman Reigns is holding the championship, doesn't mean nothing. Enjoy your smile. Enjoy it. Have a great time with yourself. Roman's walking home with the title. That's. Oh, I. It just. I just got frustrated when he was standing up on that CM Punk, standing on that guardrail, slapping fives. Look what I did. Let's all have a great time. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. That's Roman.
Megan Morant
You took that personal.
Sam Roberts
I did. I was Michael Jordan with an iPad. Okay. This was the last dance. I took that personally. And I hope. I hope if I had any access to Roman Reigns, he has made sure that I have to stay very far away from him because he thinks this is getting a little unhealthy. But if I did have any access to him, I would put this on an iPad and I would show it to him every single day, every day. Because that look that he had on his face after Raw went off the air, that I'm sure will be, if it isn't already all over social media. That's the look that I want my tribal chief to have going into WrestleMania.
Megan Morant
You really have quite the ability to spin this as a positive for Roman Reigns.
Sam Roberts
I'm a positive guy. I'm an eternal optimist.
Megan Morant
I love that about you.
Sam Roberts
Well, listen, that's great. I feel like there's a lot to celebrate on Monday Night Raw, especially on this road to WrestleMania, and one great way to celebrate it is through WWE Shop, of course. Stephanie Vacair.
Megan Morant
Oh, yeah.
Sam Roberts
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Megan Morant
100%.
Sam Roberts
Brock Lesnar walking, ready for a fight instantly.
Megan Morant
You instantly notice it.
Sam Roberts
Instantly. And you go like, this is, I mean, destruction.
Megan Morant
Yes.
Sam Roberts
Is what you think of.
Megan Morant
You see the body, you see, I mean, the veins are popping out. He's juiced up, he's ready to go.
Sam Roberts
I mean, he is jacked. Brock Lesnar comes out in his gear ready to go. Enough of the being caught off guard, as he says. You know, first week for sure was caught off guard.
Megan Morant
I do love this about Paul Heyman because we remember the first week was caught off guard. You know, there was a lot going on before Oba got there and Oba took advantage of the situation. And I was wondering how Paul Heyman is going to spin this to let us know that last week Oba wants again, he might have got the better of Brock, but. But there's an asterisk. It was because Brock wasn't in his gear and he wasn't ready to fight. And I overlooked that. Yeah, I overlooked it.
Sam Roberts
You did?
Megan Morant
Yeah. Because I've seen cowboy Brock.
Sam Roberts
Right.
Megan Morant
You know, be just as dangerous before.
Sam Roberts
I would say that. Yeah. You or I, I don't think would do very well against Brock Lesnar, whether he was wearing anything.
Megan Morant
It doesn't matter what we're wearing. Yeah, yeah.
Sam Roberts
He could be wearing anything. He could be wearing a children's Halloween costume. It would be bad news for us.
Megan Morant
Not good.
Sam Roberts
But I guess with Obafemi, things are a little bit different because Brock comes out, he's in his gear, and Paul Heyman starts with this conversation about the fact that he predicts that Obafemi will soil himself at WrestleMania soil himself is what Paul Hayman.
Megan Morant
Oba doesn't really strike me as a guy who soils. Soils himself.
Sam Roberts
No, Oba doesn't strike you. Who's somebody that strikes you as somebody who might soil themselves.
Megan Morant
I mean, maybe you.
Sam Roberts
Okay, that was. I shouldn't have asked. That was. That one's on me. That's. I wouldn't.
Megan Morant
If Brock walked into this room right now, I think there's a 75% chance, honestly.
Sam Roberts
Remember that time Bron Breaker was on the show and he threw that water bottle at me? I do think there was some soiling that happened in that instance. So you're actually. Well, I guess. Once again, Megan's right. But Oba then comes out. First of all, I love whenever Brock Lesnar speaks into a microphone, it's trouble because he doesn't have to. That's the thing about Brock. He doesn't have to speak into the microphone. So the fact that Wal. Paul Heyman was doing his haikus about Obafemi soiling himself. Brock snatches the mic and goes, get out here, Oba. Get out here. Just calls him right out. And it's Adam Pearce and it's security that comes out. And, man, Oba comes out. And by the way, Oba has not been one upped this entire time. Oba's in his gear. Oba goes, okay, you want to fight? This is what I fight in. Oba's wearing his gear when he comes out.
Megan Morant
And the thing, the entrance gets better and better, too, by the way. It's my favorite thing in wrestling right now.
Sam Roberts
The Oba entrance.
Megan Morant
Yes.
Sam Roberts
It's unbelievable.
Megan Morant
Amazing.
Sam Roberts
They, you know. What's that aura?
Megan Morant
Yep, that's what the kids say.
Sam Roberts
I can't imagine the level. I mean, if you could quantify aura. I can't. I like. Like anybody. Even coming close to what Obafemi has is incredible. And it's just in that. You're so right. It's just in that, like, shadowed silhouette at the very beginning.
Megan Morant
Pause. You hear the drums. There's the pause. And the pause. Each week gets a little longer to me, and I don't know if that's just because I'm so excited to see Oba. But then the smoke. The smoke appears. The silhouette, the body. And then we all do the Oba. You have to.
Sam Roberts
You have to. There's just something about it doesn't matter
Megan Morant
how you are, how young you are. You're doing the arms.
Sam Roberts
You or I walking into a room like this, people would think we were nuts.
Megan Morant
And now everybody says those a Couple
Sam Roberts
confident people walking in here is what they say. Now, I wouldn't mess with either of those two. That's what they say when we walk in like that now, and Obafemi has done that.
Megan Morant
And Adam Pierce, you know, he's down there with security and everybody. And as soon as I see the security, I'm like, all these guys are screwed because Brock Lesnar is going to F5 every single one of them.
Sam Roberts
Five them.
Megan Morant
Yeah, I was. I was completely wrong because Oba over took care of them first.
Sam Roberts
Which you weren't completely wrong because one of them did catch an additional F5.
Megan Morant
That is true.
Sam Roberts
But, yeah, I mean, you see, you know, that. That saying thrown around like a rag doll I think has been overdone in professional wrestling. But I also don't know if it was ever more fitting than what Oba was doing to those security guards. I mean, I can't imagine what they're used to securing, but I don't know that any of them will ever be standing up after what Oba did to him.
Megan Morant
Just.
Sam Roberts
Just throwing them into those guardrails and picking that one up in the air and just spinning him to the side like he was nothing. I mean, this is. Obafemi and Brock Lesnar are two absolute super humans, behemoths, and even Adam Pearce can't stop them. But we saw a rare appearance of Triple H. Triple H leaving his position that we see on Unreal when he's in gorilla and he's got the headset on Triple H, realizing that he's the only one that might command enough respect for them to realize, no, this is serious. You can't do this right now. And I don't. I. I think on one end, of course, they're trying to protect this WrestleMania match. They want it to get in the ring. But the other end is. It's like once these two go at it, it's over. You know what I mean? Once these two are really ready and really get their hands on each other, who knows what's going to be left standing. But I just.
Nia Jax
The.
Sam Roberts
Just the visual of Oba and Brock both in the ring, both in their gear, slowly drifting towards each other, and Triple H having to be like, he had to get his arm in between them. It's just so massive. You know, a lot of times when Paul Heyman says things, you kind of roll your eyes at the hyperbole that he likes to engage in. But Paul Heyman going, the real main event of WrestleMania, it kind of makes people go, yeah, maybe. You know what I Mean, as loaded as WrestleMania is, as much as there is to say about Cody and Randy, which we'll get into, as much as there is to say about Punk and Roman, which we were just talking about, it's just the, the, the. You can hear it. The sound, the energy that emanates from these two beasts being in the ring together is something very, very special.
Megan Morant
I, I cannot wait till they're in Vegas together. I mean, in a way, it's. Anytime they, they get close to each other, I want to see it now. Yeah, I'm always like, let them go.
Sam Roberts
And there's two more weeks of RAW. There's two more episodes of RAW before WrestleMania.
Megan Morant
Yes.
Sam Roberts
Like what? Adam Pierce is going to have to get an army. I don't know what he thinks he's going to do. Clearly, the security guard thing isn't going to work. I mean, it's not going to work for a lot of people. They did a really not great job. Whatever. Adam Pearce, he's not doing a great job with his security of keeping people.
Megan Morant
It's gonna be hard to find people, too, right?
Sam Roberts
I mean, watching that. Anybody. Oh, yeah.
Megan Morant
You want me to do what?
Sam Roberts
Yeah, just show me. Is there any sort of tape? Let me familiarize myself with what the job is. Oh, that.
Megan Morant
No, I'm not available.
Sam Roberts
No, I'm unavailable. I'm not gonna be able to do that. I don't think Mike from Breaking Bad would take this job.
Megan Morant
I don't know if there's any security guards qualified for the job.
Sam Roberts
Yeah, I don't think so either. I don't think at this point they're just buffers. It's just like, maybe if we can just put some mass in between these two, they won't destroy each other in real time.
Megan Morant
Yeah, it's dangerous to put them anywhere near each other before the match.
Sam Roberts
Then Paul Heyman's not done for the night. First of all, Paul Heyman always up to his tricks. I love these Paul Heyman tricks because Paul is able to orchestrate. I believe this was orchestrated, that Adam Pearce all night is going, hey, Paul, did you check your emails? Paul, did you check your emails? Paul, did you check your emails? And Paul's like, no, I don't read emails. No. I don't know anything about emails. An email. Who reads an email? I'm not gonna check my emails. And you believe it, right? I believe the Paul, I'm not walking around checking emails.
Megan Morant
No, lots of spam.
Sam Roberts
I mean, listen, right now, this is real life. You tell the fine people how many Unread emails are on my phone.
Megan Morant
Thousands.
Sam Roberts
1871 unread emails, by the way. 1785 on red. Text. I guess I just don't communicate much. But.
Megan Morant
But if you're trying to get a hold of Sam.
Nia Jax
Don't, don't.
Sam Roberts
Just don't. I'm not around. But.
Megan Morant
But leaving you on red.
Sam Roberts
Yeah, yeah. But I do believe the Paul Heyman checked his emails. Yeah, he had to, because Adam Pearce comes out.
Megan Morant
Because also, Paul Heyman's the type of guy. I mean, there could be some good stuff in there. An opportunity. He will.
Sam Roberts
Ooh, I love that.
Megan Morant
And Paul's always looking for an opportunity. Yeah, he's always open for business.
Sam Roberts
Paul's a guy who's like this. I'll never say no to a conversation. Maybe there's something to discuss. I think Paul realized where the leverage was. Paul is the king of leverage. Talks about leverage with the Vision, which the Vision were able to gain. Leverage. Really interesting night. Starts with the Vision certainly gaining leverage by winning the Tag Team championship from the USO's. You know, there was some help from I show Speed and Louisiana. Knight, Logan, Paul's mom. I mean, speaking of security, how did Logan, Paul's mother, sneak brass knuckles into Madison Square Garden?
Megan Morant
You know, I got to give it to her. She's. She's a real one. Because I don't know many mothers that would carry around brass knuckles for their son.
Sam Roberts
Mom, I just need you to bring the brass knuckles. Just please bring the brass knuckles. Mom.
Megan Morant
She really loves him.
Sam Roberts
She does. She does. She's.
Megan Morant
Honestly, she's sort of admirable, right?
Sam Roberts
She's a great mom.
Megan Morant
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
I mean, yeah. If I told my mom I needed brass knuckles, snuck in, it's like. And she did it. I'm like, yeah, that's having a great mom. Somebody that's not gonna ask a bunch of questions. Oh, boy. I don't know. Is that against the rules? Mom, mom, come on. She snuck him in. L. A. Knight gets him. Ishowspeed gets him. Ishowspeed knocks out L. A Knight by mistake.
Megan Morant
This is not good for Ishowspeed.
Sam Roberts
Bad for Ishowspeed.
Megan Morant
Now he's cursed, too.
Sam Roberts
He is cursed. And he tried to get the curse removed.
Megan Morant
I don't think it works like that.
Sam Roberts
Well, it does if you pay $10 billion. He said billion. He was gonna go million. Danhausen has really unique negotiation strategies being a businessman. Wait, he said 10 million? And then he didn't misspeak because he went 10 million. Actually, 10 billion. Right. Let's make it. That's just a huge leap. And then he also said he wanted full control over iShowspeed, social media and streaming. I believe he said, streaming service, which makes me feel like that has not been fully researched because I don't think ishowspeed runs his own streaming service yet, but. Yet. But I showed anyone. I show Speed's camera guy as well. Speed said, no, sorry. Danhausen said, well, then the curse remains. However, maybe he's not cursed because the vision came to him and said, look, you got enemies now. Whether you want them or not, you've got enemies. And Paul Heyman saw the opportunity to your point, Meg, and said, hey, just why don't you guys go out and celebrate? Paul knows what he's doing. He goes to the ring. He goes, I didn't check the email. I didn't check the email. And Anna Pierce says, well, then I got to tell you, Seth Rollins has not only been cleared of all charges by the Boston Police Department, but he's also medically cleared.
Megan Morant
Whoa.
Sam Roberts
Oh, here comes Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins looking. This is how I envisioned Seth Rollins return from the beginning, almost with a John Wick vibe with the suit on and everything. I love this version of Seth Rollins. John Wick, a crazy crusader for revenge, much like Rollins is. But I think Paul Heyman was very prepared for this. Gunther shows up. Now, unless Gunther is just acting of his own volition, just going, hey, I need a WrestleMania match. I want to make an impression. I'm going to take out Seth Rollins. I wouldn't be surprised if Paul Heyman was somehow involved in facilitating that opportunity because Seth Rollins ends up getting put to sleep immediately. Got their points to that WrestleMania sign. And just like that, we got a graphic. People were wondering what Seth Rollins going to do at WrestleMania. The questions have been going crazy.
Megan Morant
Is Bron Breaker going to come back?
Sam Roberts
Is Bron Breaker going to come back? Is this What's Gunther going to do at WrestleMania? I was listening to you on the radio asking that very question, who's Gunther going to face at WrestleMania? You know? And here's our answer. It's the two of them. Seth Rollins versus Gunther is at WrestleMania.
Megan Morant
Totally different scenario. Because the Gunter that we've been used to seeing lately is the career killer Gunter.
Sam Roberts
Yeah.
Megan Morant
And this doesn't feel that way whatsoever.
Sam Roberts
Do I think Seth Rollins is going to retire after WrestleMania? That would be hard for me to fathom. But if Seth Rollins has built his career right now around getting revenge against Paul Heyman and He goes to WrestleMania and he loses Against Gunther. It's kind of a killer.
Megan Morant
Now, of course, it is kind of
Sam Roberts
hard to bounce back from that if you're Seth Rollins. Of course I am. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very interested to see what Gunther's motivation is in this. If that, to your point, career killer thing does fit in and, and what this looks like when it gets to WrestleMania. And also, how does Seth motivate himself? Seth has been so hell bent on, on, on Heyman and Brock and this one and that one. Gunther hasn't even been on his radar and now he's got less than three weeks to prepare for a WrestleMania match against, you know, the ultimate spoiler in all of wwe.
Megan Morant
And there's no question that Seth has a long list of enemies, right?
Sam Roberts
Yeah.
Megan Morant
I mean, I think you go back and you think of the history he has with CM Punk. Yeah, you think of everything that's gone down with the Vision, everything that's gone down with Paul Heyman. Gunter. Nowhere near the radar.
Sam Roberts
Yeah, we, we got to get to our first guest on on, on on WWE Now RAW recap.
Megan Morant
But before we get to that, there's something amazing coming this summer to the Big Apple. Coming back, it is the return of the number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest.
Lash Legend
Yes.
Megan Morant
Returning to the Javits center from July 16th through the 19th four days. And big news for us, Sam, because Fanatics Games is back at Fanatics Fest bringing high stakes cross sport competition where everyday fans go head to head with some of the biggest names in sports. We, we were judges in the competition last year served an integral part in the competition and this year the 2026 Fanatic Games introduces an expanded format. A $2 million total prize pool in new nationwide qualifying opportunities for fans to compete alongside elite athletes. The inaugural winner Tom Brady as well as reigning fan champion Matt Denish will be competing again. And WWE Superstars Rhea Ripley, Liv Morgan, Cody Rhodes and Jay USO will be joining the competition for a shot at the title. Head on over to fanatics fest.com to apply to compete or grab your tickets to to Fanatics Fest. You do not want to miss out.
Sam Roberts
I hope Danhausen is competing because that $2 million is Danhausen money. And I think he's very good at many sports.
Megan Morant
Be great.
Sam Roberts
I think, I think he many moments are made at Fanatics Fest. That's where John Cena gave me the hug that as we found out together here in this room made not just my life, but his life as well.
Megan Morant
Proud of you.
Sam Roberts
Let's see if we can. Thank you for being proud of me. Let's see if we can keep making moments because we'd like to welcome our guests here on WWE now into our studio. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to WWE Now's Raw recap from the world's most famous arena, Madison Square Garden. The women who defended the WWE Tag Team Championship tonight. The irresistible forces are here, ladies.
Nia Jax
Yes.
Sam Roberts
Welcome. And congratulations on walking out of Madison Square Garden.
Nia Jax
Still champions, no doubt. We had no doubt about that, exactly. But thanks, Sam.
Sam Roberts
Well, you know, it wasn't. There was an interference involved. It was a disqualification.
Nia Jax
He has to go. He has to go there.
Lash Legend
He has to go there.
Nia Jax
Why do you have to go there? But at the end of the day, who's still the champ?
Sam Roberts
No, that's why I said congratulations. I'm leaving.
Lash Legend
It should just be that. That's it.
Nia Jax
And you didn't think, did you have a doubt, that if there was no interference, that we would have not won?
Megan Morant
Exactly.
Lash Legend
Go ahead.
Nia Jax
Is that what you're saying?
Lash Legend
Speak. What are you saying?
Sam Roberts
I don't.
Megan Morant
It's a little disrespectful.
Lash Legend
A lot of.
Nia Jax
Listen to the future Olympian over here. You know nothing.
Lash Legend
No, he didn't.
Nia Jax
Here we go.
Sam Roberts
But that's more disrespect.
Megan Morant
Okay.
Lash Legend
All right.
Sam Roberts
See, that's neither here nor there. I mean, you find yourselves champions of the most competitive this division has ever been during a time where it's more dangerous to be a champion than ever. WrestleMania season. Does that concern you at all? Is there. Is there a pressure on representing this division?
Lash Legend
No, absolutely not. I mean, have you not noticed that we clearly were the irresistible forces? Okay. A force to be reckoned with. And we are the most dominant, most grand tag team grand. Of all time. Of all time.
Sam Roberts
Yeah.
Lash Legend
Yeah. So, yes. Wait, skirt. I wasn't there. So, yes, it is a magnificent women's division, and we're proud to be a part of it. But we're carrying the titles for a reason. In this grand women's division with the Grand Disc Tag team ever.
Nia Jax
Do you remember how we won these, Sam? Lash Legend Pin. One of the greatest women wrestlers, Rhea Ripley. Rhea Bloody Ripley.
Sam Roberts
Yeah.
Nia Jax
Do you remember that?
Sam Roberts
I do remember it. I remember we talked about it on this show, about what a big deal it was so that you did that.
Nia Jax
No, we're not nervous about it. We're meant for this. We're born for the sage.
Lash Legend
Born. Built all of it.
Nia Jax
WrestleMania needs us.
Lash Legend
Love it.
Sam Roberts
When did you realize that Lash Legend was the partner that was going to take you I mean, you've. Naya had multiple tag team partners, but I feel like there is a chemistry with.
Nia Jax
The underlying. How is it Connotation you have towards.
Lash Legend
That's all you have to say.
Nia Jax
Yeah.
Lash Legend
You just add the extra. We don't need that here. Okay. We don't like that energy.
Sam Roberts
Sorry, I didn't. I'll try to keep my energy on track.
Lash Legend
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
A matter of. Of realizing, hey, we've got something special.
Lash Legend
That's right.
Sam Roberts
Is that right? Yeah. Like, when did you realize this is. This is the person to create something so special with?
Nia Jax
Well, you know, actually, I've. I've had my eye on Lash for a while now. I saw her down in NXT when she was teaming up with Jakara. They were a great tag team. I saw the powerhouse that Lash was and just, you know, the energy she has, the look she has, the strength she has. I'm knowing her background, coming from such an athletic background and. And knowing that she's just like, the aggressiveness is in her. And then I had the opportunity to face her in nxt. You know, what better way to find out if she's capable of living up to the expectation that I have than getting in the ring with her? And not only did she meet it, but she exceeded it. And I thought, listen, I'd rather have this woman on my side than against me.
Megan Morant
Smart.
Lash Legend
Yeah. I don't know if you saw the match at nxt, you know, against each other, but it was really good. And it was like, it was something that I never felt before, going against somebody, you know, so dominant. So one amazing, very wise in the ring. Like, she knows exactly what she's doing, her psychology, just everything, all of it is amazing. So I was like, dang, you want to work with me? Like, work against me? I'll say. And, yeah, it was like, a really fun time. She beat me up. You know, we went back and forth, toe to toe. But, you know, I learned so much, and I was just grateful after, you know, she wanted us to be together. I was like, yeah, of course. So that's how that happened last.
Megan Morant
You sit here now as a champion, and it wasn't long ago that you were playing balling out in the wnba, setting records in the ncaa. Now you're here at Madison Square Garden, walking in as a champ. We're in WrestleMania season. What is really the last couple months been like for you? Not only to make your debut on the main roster, but also to be a champ.
Lash Legend
Yeah. When you put it that way, it's just like, wow, I just sometimes sit back and be like, dang, I'm really doing this. And it's just. Honestly, it's such a blessing. I'm so grateful God has helped me get in the position that I am today. And, you know, it was just ordained. But I will say, like, I learned so much at nxt, and being down at NXT for about five, over five years, I felt like I was ready for this moment to come up. And, yes, it seems like we're just going in this fast track, but I feel like I'm, you know, ready and deserving of all of this. So, yeah, it's. It's going. But I've had so much fun, and I feel like every moment, I am taking in all the moments, but also, like, I'm like, oh, I'm going to kill it. And, like, that's the mindset I have. And I feel like, you know, if you have that, you believe it, you see it, and you do it. So that's. That's what it's been like for me and my journey so far.
Megan Morant
And now, you know, a veteran in this locker room, you've been up against everybody that there is, but, you know, there's something different when you look across the ring and there are hall of Famers, like the Bella Twins. So. So what has that been like? You know, mentoring Lash, working as a tag team together and getting ready for those. Those big situations?
Nia Jax
Well, you know, I had no doubt when she came up that she would just blend right in like, that she was already ready to get in here and. And dominate. But Lashes, she. She is a student of the game. She is so ready to. She's willing to listen, she's willing to learn. She is very confident in who she is, but she also is always open up to suggestions. So it's really, like, the easiest and smoothest transition for her to come up and work with us and then being able to get in the ring with the Bella Twins, who haven't really wrestled as a tag team in, like, eight years.
Lash Legend
Yeah.
Nia Jax
And for us to. I mean, to get in there and have. Have a. I thought it was a great match. Their first match back, they did incredible. I mean, granted, they're not getting our titles.
Lash Legend
No, they're not.
Nia Jax
But they really. Yeah, kudos to them. They really showed out and did well. And, you know, I'm having fun watching her just continuously, every week get better and better and, you know, I know. I hope we never break up, but one day when she has her own, like, singles run, I have no doubt that she's gonna be a women's champion for a very long time. True.
Sam Roberts
Was there a moment, Lash, where it clicked in for you where you were like, oh, this is of kind because you. You came into WWE with no wrestling experience. You had an incredible athletic experience, and you had incredible size, and, look, just
Lash Legend
keep hyping me up.
Nia Jax
That's right.
Lash Legend
No, I'm just kidding.
Sam Roberts
But you didn't have the wrestling experience, and I feel like, you know, that that journey was televised. Anybody that's watching NXT was seeing you come in completely fresh and just watching you improve and improve and improve to the point now where I feel like multiple times with you on the main roster where there's a moment to be made. You're the one who's making that moment. Like, we just talked about pinning Rhea Ripley. That's a big, big deal.
Lash Legend
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
Do you feel like there was a moment where it clicked for you where you were like, oh, this. This is what it is. This is where I belong. I get this.
Lash Legend
Well, I will say, when I got the opportunity to try out, I was like, man, like, first off, I didn't even know that I would be able to do. Do that. I'm like, what? Like, I. I have opportunity to try out for wwe. Like, growing up, I watched it and I thought it was so cool, but, you know, I just didn't know that it was an option for me. So when I got that opportunity, I'm like, heck, yeah. Like, you know, I was about to go overseas for basketball because that was, you know, that's what I was doing and loved it. But, you know, I just couldn't. I couldn't not take advantage of this opportunity. So I ran with it and I, you know, told my basketball fam, like, hey, this is what I'm going to do. And when I got hired, I was like, dang, it really is. Bye, bye, basketball. Just like that. And I fell in love with it during the tryout, during the first time I ever touched the ropes, getting all these bruises, taking these bumps, you know, doing all these things that I was never familiar with, but I loved it. And it was just something that was challenging, but I felt like, you know, yes, I'm new to this, but everybody's new to something at some point. So I believe, like, I will be good at this one day. It's just going to take times, you know, coachability. That all come from my basketball background, doing all these things and, you know, student of the game, like Nyah said. So I believed it, and I felt that I could do it when it. When I got the opportunity and tried out. And I feel like maybe. Maybe like three years in, it really, really clicked. Like, you have phases of like, oh, I get this. Oh, I get this. Oh, I get this. But I feel like it really, really clicks for me about three years, in a sense.
Sam Roberts
Yeah. And I feel like that's, like, one of the great parts of NXT being a television show is that you can kind of see that coachability, right? Like, you hear that word when people like me are watching documentaries about. About wrestling and about places like the PC. But you can watch somebody improve, and sometimes you can see it. And I think that this was the case for you last. You could see it week over week. If you're actually watching, going like, oh, wait, oh. And then all of a sudden one day comes where you're like, oh, she's. Yeah, she's really good at this.
Lash Legend
And I'm still learning. You know, it's never ending of, like, wanting to keep learning things, but. Yeah, yeah.
Nia Jax
And I always think that being called up from NXT has to be the right timing for everybody. Like, there's always timing for people, right? Like, if. If Lash would have come up a couple years ago, I don't know if she would have had this, you know, like, meteoric run. You know what I mean? Like, it might have been different for her then, and. And now I think the perfect. Yes, she might have been at NSC for five and a half years, but it was a perf for her because now, like, she's gone up so quickly, like, immediately, she just blends in right away. Like, this was perfect for her. And the aggressiveness of my girl. And if you ever know, she's like the Dennis Rodman on the female basketball court, you know, the. The person who's getting induction hall of fame.
Lash Legend
That's right. That's right.
Sam Roberts
You know, do you remember what the journey was like for you, Naya? I mean, people, you've been on the main roster. This is your second run now on the main roster. You've been. You've been here and accomplished a lot, but those of us that have been watching for a long time know that you kind of went through a similar track and you went through that NXT system. Do you remember back then what it was like and when that kind of clicked in for you?
Nia Jax
Yeah, well, back then, it was just. It was so different. There was, like, only 13 of us girls. Like, there was a very small pool of women, and I was the biggest girl. And, like, I just Remember when I tried out, like, there was no girl like, my size, and then it was all, like, like, fitness girls and whatnot, you know, And I got called up to the main roster quickly, and so I was learning on live national television as I go. But I just feel like right now in wrestling is probably at, like, its peak and it's so popular and, like. So I'm glad that I was able to, like, last and come back into this. This era, because I feel as though I'm doing some of the best work that I've ever done because I feel more comfortable. I feel more, like, settled in the Nia Jax character and knowing what I can do and. And I get to share it with some of this, like, talent that we have, like, incredible talent. I've never seen the women's division this stacked, like, from NXT all the way up. So I'm just really, like, excited to be able to work with some greats over here.
Megan Morant
I love that you pointed out that match that you two had in nxt, because it was a moment for me watching as a fan. I believe I was texting you that night and I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, nyah. Lash against each other just opens this whole world of opportunities for women's wrestling. Because, Naya, you pointed out when you came up, there was no one on the roster that was your size. Now you have someone like, Lash brings the size, the strength, the athleticism, and it's not just last. You look up and down the roster, and the size and strength and what these women are able to do in the ring is so much more than it was maybe in other eras. How do you think that helps grow what the women's division offers in terms of matches?
Nia Jax
Oh, it's. I mean, like, you. You witnessed a little bit in nxt, right? Like, we, like, who knows, we could break the ring, like, we could tear the house down. And, you know, you see incredible matches from, like, the smaller girls, but then it also gives them a different dynamic with a bigger, you know, more bigger women, not just one big woman. There's multiple big women with different kinds of, you know, specialties. And so it's like the fact that we're a tag team, like two of the biggest, strongest girls are together, it only just creates more opportunities for everybody to come up against us and see what they can do. And. And listen, the day that you see these two big ends go, go at it on the main roster is going to be incredible. You know, Little Kane, Undertaker. You know, I also like how you
Megan Morant
say it so confidently, too. Like, when I say I don't want to call either be, like, a big woman. But when you say that, like, you're so confident and, like, you love that, it's a compliment.
Nia Jax
Listen, I mean, it's not. It's.
Sam Roberts
No.
Nia Jax
Nothing to be ashamed of. Because we're built big. We're built, you know, other people aren't, unfortunately. Some people. Unfortunately for them, no.
Sam Roberts
But that was a direct shot at me, definitely.
Lash Legend
I literally looked right at, you know,
Nia Jax
built big, you know.
Lash Legend
Yeah.
Nia Jax
But we embrace it because, you know, there's beauty in what we have. There's beauty in what other women have. And why not? And, like, I. I know Lash, like, is with me on this. Like, we want every single young girl, every single woman watching to know that, like, hey, look at. Look at these girls. Like, they do it, and, like, they freaking go out there and they look great, and they own it. And why not? Why not Give them the confidence, right?
Lash Legend
And I just love, like, how nice. Like you said, you know, this is her second run, but, like, I feel like she has been wanting to give back so much and pay it for it, and I just feel like that matters because, you know, a lot of girls at nxt, you know, we don't know. We don't know. Like, if, you know, the girls on the main roster want, you know, to help and help us move along, that it has to still have evolution. Like, it doesn't just stop with, you know, one generation or one era. So I just think it's so amazing that, you know, Nya is willing to do that.
Sam Roberts
Yeah.
Lash Legend
You try to say, oh, she got, you know, other tag team partners. Yes, this is true. But it's the. The amazing part of it, like, if we're being for real, is that she wants to. To help the young girls come up and do that. And I think that's so amazing and so much appreciated. Her and Natty, like, Natty has a dungeon. Like, it's so. It's. It's so cool to see that they want to help us, you know, because that. That matters. It really does.
Nia Jax
I think Sam should get in the dungeon.
Sam Roberts
You think I would do well?
Nia Jax
No, absolutely not. I think he would bomb.
Sam Roberts
See, I was.
Megan Morant
I think.
Nia Jax
I think a future Olympian would do well.
Lash Legend
That's right. She would kill it.
Nia Jax
Megan would kill it.
Sam Roberts
I was worried that people for a second were gonna think that Nya was actually a nice, wonderful human being, but then.
Lash Legend
Well, you are nice when you threw that shot at our girl. Yeah.
Nia Jax
All right.
Sam Roberts
I was frustrated And I was backed into a corner and I felt hacked,
Nia Jax
and I lashed back.
Sam Roberts
I apologize. I apologize.
Megan Morant
Thank you. Sam.
Sam Roberts
Is the. Is this Clueless inspired the gear?
Nia Jax
Yes, it is. Look at you.
Lash Legend
You did great.
Nia Jax
You know what? We'll give you some kudos on that one. Yeah, I like that.
Sam Roberts
Thank you. Is it just a love for the film? Yeah.
Nia Jax
Well, you know what? Lash and I love to just, like, themes. We love to do themes. We love and we love. Now that we're tagging, we just want to match up and get cute. You know, just because we're big and big and badass can't. Doesn't mean we can't be cute.
Sam Roberts
That's right. Okay, I agree. I agree. I agree.
Lash Legend
Better.
Sam Roberts
I agree.
Nia Jax
No, but I'm glad that you pointed it out.
Lash Legend
Yeah. Good job.
Sam Roberts
I love Clueless. Yeah.
Lash Legend
As if.
Sam Roberts
That's right.
Lash Legend
As if.
Sam Roberts
That's 100% right. Have you thought about WrestleMania gear theming around what you could look like going into WrestleMania, I would imagine, as Tag Team champions.
Nia Jax
Yeah. Yeah, of course we do. Of course we do.
Sam Roberts
I thought it would lead into.
Lash Legend
You don't get no details.
Nia Jax
We're definitely not going to give any details. It'll be a nice little surprise.
Lash Legend
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
My interview trick didn't work.
Nia Jax
Was that a trick?
Lash Legend
That was terrible.
Sam Roberts
Go back to that drawing board.
Nia Jax
Go back to the drawing board.
Sam Roberts
Trying to play. Play 3D chess with that one.
Nia Jax
No, not great. No.
Sam Roberts
Stick to checkers.
Lash Legend
I was gonna say that. Stick to checkers.
Sam Roberts
Yeah. No, it's a good lesson to learn. Oh, my goodness. Well, congratulations.
Lash Legend
Hey, I have those shoes.
Sam Roberts
You do?
Lash Legend
I do. I rock them better, but they're nice shoes.
Sam Roberts
I was about to say great minds think a lot.
Nia Jax
She knows.
Sam Roberts
Yeah. Well, regardless, congratulations.
Lash Legend
Thank you.
Nia Jax
Thank you, Sam. Thank you, Megan. Congratulations to you.
Megan Morant
Oh, thank you.
Lash Legend
You're the bomb Dot com.
Sam Roberts
I'm doing great.
Nia Jax
Are we all doing great?
Sam Roberts
Living in this era of greatness together?
Nia Jax
Women. These, like, women right now are killing it.
Megan Morant
Yeah.
Nia Jax
Sam's here.
Megan Morant
You know.
Nia Jax
You know who won the World, girl?
Sam Roberts
Certainly am. Yeah, I certainly, certainly am. Thank you so much.
Nia Jax
No, thanks, Sam. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Sam Roberts
Big thanks to the irresistible forces. Now, before we take it a step further, I do want to remind everybody that WWE World returns to Las Vegas this April 16th through the 20th. And it's the can't miss destination during WrestleMania week. WWE World brings the WWE Universe closer than ever to the Superstars, legends and iconic moments that define wwe. With immersive exhibits, exclusive merchandise and experiences. You won't find anywhere else. See Superstars like Drew McIntyre, Liv Morgan, Jay Uso, Dominic Mysterio, Tiffany Stratton, and many, many more. With even more appearances still to come, tickets are now on sale@wweworld.com save 10% with promo code WWE Now 10. And, Megan, I didn't mean what I said about you in the trials. I was.
Megan Morant
Thank you.
Sam Roberts
I was in a vulnerable position. I was backed into a corner. I sometimes lash out. It's a flaw of mine I'm aware of, is what it is. I think you're going to do great in the Olympic trials.
Megan Morant
When I make it, you know, just shout out to all the haters with you being number one.
Sam Roberts
Okay, you know what?
Megan Morant
That chip on the shoulder's growing.
Sam Roberts
All right, well, that's not the best way.
Megan Morant
We all need a. We all need a fuel door fire, so thank you. I appreciate it.
Sam Roberts
I Wonder if Stephanie McMahon was the fuel to the fire that Cody Rhodes needed in his match with Randy Orton. And segues like that are why they call me the last professional broadcaster. That was incredible. And you guys know that wasn't planned, was it?
Megan Morant
No, it was not.
Sam Roberts
Were you. Are you in awe? Okay, that's three people.
Megan Morant
I Wonder if Stephanie McMahon is the one on the phone with Randy Orton.
Sam Roberts
Okay, okay. Wrestling is more than one royal family.
Megan Morant
And as soon as that music hit, we all go, oh, my God, could it be?
Sam Roberts
So Cody Rhodes comes out to start raw, which is already a surprise because Cody Rhodes, Smackdown Superstar.
Nia Jax
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
And Almost immediately, Stephanie McMahon's music hits. We're like, what is Stephanie McMahon doing out here? I knew she was around. I thought she was just in, you know, taping some episodes of her great podcast, doing something like that.
Megan Morant
She's about to go into the hall of fame. Yeah.
Sam Roberts
Maybe checking out the show.
Megan Morant
Yeah.
Sam Roberts
But no, she came and she came with absolute fire at Cody Rhodes. And it was, man, I've got to. I'm watching Stephanie McMahon in there. And I wanted. I didn't want to interrupt her, but in the middle of her talking, I wanted to start chanting, you still got it. Do you know how much I want Stephanie McMahon back on my TV every week after that? I was like. It was. It was unbelievable. Just the way she tore right in to Cody Rhodes, Soul without even. I mean, she didn't even lift an eyebrow. It was just. It was just nothing to her just pointing out, just that she, like, the most vulnerable.
Megan Morant
You're not your father. Oh.
Sam Roberts
Oh, Jess, why don't you just drive a stake through my chest?
Megan Morant
And she does Stuff stare through your soul.
Sam Roberts
Oh, my God. She does. And you're like, I just. And there's something about Stephanie McMahon where you just look at her and you go, I just want your approval, but I just want your approval. Like, I feel like if Stephanie McMahon ever did something like that to me, I'd start yelling. It's not fair when you say that stuff, Mom. It's not. What did I just say? You know what I mean? It's like. It's like. It's that energy where it's like. And she would just look at you go, like, I knew it. I am disappointed in you. And you're a puddle. She's incredible. She says, cody, you can't beat this version of Randy Orton. You want to talk about where you came from? And then she brings up her past. She brings up Madison Square Garden as the building that her grandfather built brought wrestling, too. There's so many people to this day in New York City that when you tell them you're a wrestling fan, talk about going to Madison Square Garden every month to see Bruno and to see Andre the Giant and all those legends that Stephanie's grandfather brought to New York City. And then when she says to Cody, you're not your father, it's just like, whoa, lady, whoa. You've chosen violence. And Stephanie has this way of looking at you going, this is what I've chosen. What are you gonna do about it? What on earth are you gonna do about it? She slapped Cody Rhodes across the face.
Megan Morant
She did. And then Cody Rhodes, I couldn't even believe this. The buttoned up, dapper gentleman that Cody Rhodes always is, as Stephanie McMahon went to go walk out of the ring after shoving the microphone and making that wonderful thud sound that I love that love in professional wrestling. Cody grabs Stephanie's arm. Cody put a hand.
Sam Roberts
Listen, Stephanie, you're right. You're right about him looking dapper. You're right about him putting hands on Stephanie. You're right about. I mean, the whole building went, whoa. When he said that. But Cody has also never lied about who he is. Cody has said from the beginning, he's a messy king, but a king nonetheless. And that messy king is the one who immediately, immediately looked at Stephanie McMahon and was able to come. I mean, if she had said, you're not your father, it'd be like, I need to go home and cry. I don't know what to say in response to that. And Cody was able to look right at Stephanie McMahon and say, with all due respect, neither are you. And it was just like, whoa, we're doing that.
Megan Morant
We're bringing that up.
Sam Roberts
And Steph is. And that's when the slap came. It's like, who do you think you are? Do you think? Because then he did grab Stephanie McMahon. He looked at her and said, thank you.
Megan Morant
I have two words for you.
Sam Roberts
I have two words for you. And I did. You know I did. That's why I yelled. I just. I did yell suck it. I did yell that I was so
Megan Morant
you in all of the Garden.
Sam Roberts
I did. Yeah, we had to. Yeah, we had to. I mean, we grew up yelling it. We didn't even know what it was. We grew up yelling it, though. But it wasn't suck it. It was thank you. Thank you. Which did get some boos from Madison Square Garden. But that's because Madison Square Garden is the type of crowd that wants.
Megan Morant
So good.
Nia Jax
So good.
Sam Roberts
That's what everybody's looking for. But I left questioning. Do you think that Stephanie McMahon really went out there to just give Cody Rhodes the pep talk that he needed, or were there other motivations?
Megan Morant
I think Stephanie's on the phone.
Sam Roberts
You think she's the other royal family? You think she's the person that Randy Orton's talking to? Oh, you saw that. I mean, it wouldn't. It adds up.
Megan Morant
I loved this interaction for so many reasons. I was listening to you on the Not Sam wrestling podcast this morning, and you were talking about Randy and Cody and how we've heard from Randy and the physicality, and that's been unbelievable. But you were saying how you wanted to hear a little bit more from Cody. Well, for me tonight, this was the extra layer that I really needed. There were a couple times on Friday Night smackdown where I thought we were gonna find out who was on the phone with Randy Orton before he got cut off by Matt Cardona's music. I was like, he was just about
Lash Legend
to tell us he was on the phone.
Megan Morant
Salah Broski, what is going on? Then we see him backstage again. He's on the phone. We didn't get a lot of that conversation. But this is just like the carrot dangling.
Sam Roberts
Yes.
Megan Morant
Why else does Stephanie McMahon's music hit?
Sam Roberts
I would. I was surprised. I was surprised.
Megan Morant
I mean, I've heard. I've seen all the rumors. I've seen Ric Flair. I've seen Arn Anderson. You know, I've. Ted DiBiase Jr. There's been a. So many different rumors.
Sam Roberts
There's a ton of them. I mean, who knows? It could be anybody. It could be. But. But. But realistically, Stephanie McMahon being the person I would love to know if that were the case, where Stephanie's coming from. Because that's what I was thinking watching the thing tonight. Where is Steph actually coming from? Is she that. And if she is trying to get out there and tell Cody, hey, this version of you can't beat Randy Orton, why is she invested in it? Why? Why if it is just a way because Cody's.
Megan Morant
Cody's QB1, Kobe's and she wants Cody's their guy. She's part of the royal family, right?
Sam Roberts
Theoretically, I suppose. I don't know. I left me. It left me with more questions than answers for sure. But it did leave me realizing like, yeah, Stephanie McMahon still got it. Like that was unbelievable, amazing. And I want. I would love to hear what Randy Orton thought about that whole thing as well.
Megan Morant
And maybe look at that on smackdown.
Sam Roberts
Speaking of Stephanie's. We were mentioning it earlier, but Stephanie McMahon answered Liv Morgan's Stephanie Vacair. Stephanie Vacair.
Megan Morant
It'd be wild. Stephanie McMahon. Stephanie McMahon came out again.
Sam Roberts
Yeah, yeah. Put her in every second.
Megan Morant
Why not?
Sam Roberts
I'm fine with it. I am absolutely fine with it. But it was, it was Stephanie Vacair coming out, which makes a lot more sense because That's Liv Morgan's WrestleMania poem.
Megan Morant
That's right. Yeah.
Sam Roberts
She came out because Liv Morgan, I mean, I believe the quote was to Madre Espasuda puta. I wasn't going to say that word. That's not a family friendly word.
Megan Morant
Look, that was a quote.
Sam Roberts
I mean, it is part of the quote. I was going to just throw an ellipses on the end of it. You know what I mean? Just so people know the quote continues.
Megan Morant
I'm very direct.
Sam Roberts
You are, you are. And it's. I mean, it's a strength of yours.
Megan Morant
Thank you.
Sam Roberts
But it was too much to Madre Espasuda was enough to get Stephanie Vacair out there beating down Liv Morgan. But we got the return of Roxanne Perez. A lot of people were walking in going, Liv Morgan's gonna be on her own. The judgment day is gonna be defunct. They said. They said defunct by WrestleMania. I don't see any signs of that.
Megan Morant
I don't either.
Sam Roberts
I don't see it. We're getting closer and closer and I don't see that for the judgment Day. I just accepted care. Having to deal with all of it.
Megan Morant
It's really such a testament to the judgment day. I mean, you think back to the Royal Rumble and I'll live. Morgan eliminated Raquel Rodriguez. They've never been stronger or better than ever. There's been a lot of drama with what's going on with Finn Balor, yet still the Judgment Day finds a way to continue to be a family.
Sam Roberts
Yeah, yeah. And I think that now Stephanie Vaccar
Megan Morant
might be figuring out rally around Liv Morgan. Really?
Sam Roberts
Absolutely. Absolutely 100%. I mean, it'll be interesting to see. So we found out tonight that two other members of the Judgment Day both have matches at WrestleMania. Four more matches announced for WrestleMania. So first of all, we've got the Women's Tag Team championship match being defended by Nia Jax and Lash Legend, who are just in here. They're going to defend against Bailey and Lyra, Alexa and Charlotte, and the Bellas, which again brings up to your point that you brought up earlier about a Hall of Fame team that they're looking down the barrel at. But also two different members of the original Four Horsewomen in here. Lyra Valkyria, who has been looking to have that truly breakout moment and hold on to that moment. And then of course, Alexa Bliss, who, while maybe not a member of the Four Horsewomen, still part of that OG NXT women's division that laid the foundation for all of this. So massive four way for the Women's Tag Team championship. Like we said earlier, Seth and Gunther is graphic and confirmed for WrestleMania. You got Finn Balor and Dominik Mysterio now confirmed for WrestleMania. And then we heard Penta announced that he was putting his Intercontinental Championship up in the sky. It's a ladder match and I mean, Penta has spent a career making incredible moments in ladder matches. This could not be more perfect, but this is a five way. He's in there with J.D. mcDonough, Javon Evans, who by the way, both of them, J.D. mcDonough,' because he will survive and do anything.
Megan Morant
Oh, my gosh, an OG cutter in that ladder match.
Sam Roberts
Javon Evans, because he will do things that a human being shouldn't be physically able to do. Rusev, because he can physically break a ladder on his own. And again, Dragon Lee, who can do incredible things in a ladder match. That's the five way that we're getting for the Intercontinental Championship. Massive challenge for Penta. So you got JD and Dominik Mysterio, both with WrestleMania matches last year, you doubted Dominik Mysterio very much. So in the Intercontinental Championship match, he did it. And it was one of the loudest ovations on both nights of WrestleMania. And even you, hater of the year, Megan Morant, can't Deny that, can you?
Megan Morant
It was pretty loud.
Sam Roberts
It was very loud.
Megan Morant
I think the return of Becky lynch was a little bit louder. And there were actually fans crying. Joy, happiness, excitement.
Sam Roberts
It was a great reaction for Becky lynch. And then she proved who she was.
Megan Morant
She's the greatest female wrestler of all time.
Sam Roberts
Well, she got very booed after that. Very much booed by me, but not by you. That's good to know. That's good to know.
Megan Morant
Dominic's been booed many times.
Sam Roberts
I had.
Megan Morant
Not a lot, a lot of people, but like by entire arenas.
Sam Roberts
Well, you know what?
Megan Morant
Without even respect, there's really no accounting
Sam Roberts
for taste when that stuff happens. But how does Finn Balor recover if he can't be Dominic Mysterio at WrestleMania? Finn Balor got beaten out of the Judgment Day. I would argue WrestleMania is a place where Dominic Mysterio shines. You know, Is he undefeated at WrestleMania? No. We all have an off night or two. But he's been a part of multiple massive WrestleManias. And even when maybe he doesn't win at WrestleMania, he has these spectacular entrances.
Megan Morant
Yeah. You know, unforgettable.
Sam Roberts
I think about it. He made a moment at WrestleMania 41 by winning the Intercontinental Championship. Was it WrestleMania, the WrestleMania where he fought Rey Mysterio? Was that 39 or 40 Los Angeles when he came in in the police car? Right. One of the greatest WrestleMania entrances ever. Dominik Mysterio knows how to make WrestleMania moments. This is, this is Finn Balor's shot. Either he beats Dominik Mysterio and he goes on to be better than he was with the Judgment Day, or he loses to Dominik Mysterio and he's just. I don't know what he does after that. I think he's got.
Megan Morant
I think he's got a behind Ballor club.
Sam Roberts
If you can't beat the guy that beat you out of the judgment.
Megan Morant
That's right.
Sam Roberts
It's going to be a wild, wild WrestleMania. But Megan.
Megan Morant
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Sam Roberts
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Megan Morant
That's right.
Sam Roberts
She got her very own Tops card
Megan Morant
that you can do.
Lash Legend
You have one?
Sam Roberts
No, actually, Jason Kelce got a Tops card before I did. And I don't mean an NFL. I mean a WWE top before I did. That's. That's. That's. Where have you ever met anybody that got a Times Square billboard before they got a Tops card? I don't think that's ever happened before. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why these things happen, but they do happen. You know what I'm really glad happened?
Megan Morant
What's that?
Sam Roberts
Monday Night Raw, Madison Square. This has been absolutely incredible. This road to WrestleMania. Unbelievable. And the fact that we got to stop here in the world's most famous arena and record our podcast here live experience the whole thing live has been awesome. I felt like a. Like a proud papa. Okay. Because Danielle, who works with me, she came. This is her first WWE show ever. She's never watched wrestling beyond one segment. And she showed me on her arm after the main event. She had the people's goosebumps. She had him.
Megan Morant
She's in. She's in.
Sam Roberts
She had him. She's in. We got her. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. Don't forget to subscribe across all audio platforms, leave comments, hit like on YouTube, and we will see you again very, very soon here on wwe. Now. Have a good.
Sam Roberts and Megan Morant break down a loaded episode of Raw, live from Madison Square Garden, packed with major WrestleMania implications and huge moments. The podcast covers major storylines on the road to WrestleMania 42, including the explosive rivalry between CM Punk and Roman Reigns, Brock Lesnar's showdown with Oba Femi, the assault on Seth Rollins by Gunther, newly announced marquee matches, and an in-depth interview with Women's Tag Champs Nia Jax and Lash Legend (“The Irresistible Forces”).
This episode underscores WWE’s “Road to WrestleMania” as one of the most unpredictable in years, with personal rivalries reaching fever pitch and a new generation of women athletes shining alongside returning legends. Raw at MSG delivered shocks, celebrated legacy, and confirmed blockbuster matches, setting the stage for a dramatic WrestleMania 42.
[Listen for backstage insight, fan debates, and in-ring breakdowns—this episode captures the full spectrum of WWE’s build to the biggest event of the year.]