Gunther brings the TRASH TALK after retiring John Cena: Raw Recap, Dec. 15, 2025

Summary

Raw Recap with Sam Roberts and Megan Morant

Podcast: WWE x Fanatics Podcasts
Episode: Gunther brings the TRASH TALK after retiring John Cena: Raw Recap, Dec. 15, 2025
Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Raw Recap, hosted by Sam Roberts and Megan Morant, unpacks an emotionally charged week in WWE, following John Cena’s retirement match against Gunther. The hosts analyze the fallout from Cena’s exit, Gunther’s era-defining trash talk, and the new directions for key WWE storylines and superstars, including the shock reveal of the Masked Man and a live backstage report from Jackie Redmond. The show is a blend of keen wrestling analysis, raw emotion, and backstage insights, capturing the shifting landscape of WWE as it moves forward “post-Cena.”

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Main Storylines and Discussion Points

The Cena Aftermath – Wrestling’s New Era (01:43 – 13:00, 29:44 – 49:32)

• Processing John Cena’s Retirement Match:

  • The show kicks off by exploring the emotional aftermath of John Cena’s retirement at Saturday Night’s Main Event and how WWE pivots into a “post-Cena” era.
  • Sam Roberts: “At the beginning of the show, we were still very much thinking of John Cena in the aftermath…But by the end…we were already moving on to what’s next.” (01:43)
  • The hosts are joined by Jackie Redmond (29:44), who shares her own behind-the-scenes experience during Cena’s last match, especially her regret about not taking a picture with Cena and the sheer magnitude of the moment:
    • Jackie Redmond: “Let Me, like, take a photograph with my mind…Because you know how special it is that you get to be there. And that was one of those moments for me.” (30:32)

• The Emotional Impact:

  • Jackie discusses her viral post-show interview with Cody Rhodes, emphasizing the real emotional weight that came with Cena’s farewell and what it means for the business:
    • Jackie Redmond: “He was crying, he had tears…And I really admire him for, for having the decency to do that.” (32:27)
  • Cody Rhodes’ vulnerability is noted as symbolic of the responsibility now on his—and this roster’s—shoulders as Cena passes the proverbial torch:
    • “I think Cody witnessed this night… and I think he also felt the weight of, you know, I am one of the guys that is… going to help carry this business and this company forward…” (36:35)

• Reactions to Cena’s Tap-Out:

  • Jackie and the crew debate the decision for Cena’s career to end on a tap-out:
    • Jackie Redmond: “I don’t like that John Cena tapped. Like, I don’t like that. I understand it. I understand it, but I don’t like…” (39:53)
    • Megan Morant: “Were you biting the bottom lip like Sam. Sam was holding back tears biting the bottom lip.” (40:52)

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Gunther: Wrestling’s “Happiness Vampire” (42:12 – End)

• Gunther’s Moment and Trash Talk:

  • Gunther is presented as the new standard-bearer, thriving amid the crowd’s hate after retiring Cena, relishing his role as the villain who “ruins” fans’ happy endings:
    • Sam Roberts: “He’s there to ruin them. He’s there and he tells you…You’re not getting it and you still want to believe…Of course I’m going to get it.” (43:11)
    • Jackie Redmond: “I would say [Gunther] is feeding off the pain…Like, there’s certain villains that get more powerful when they are around people who are in pain. Okay. That’s what Gunther made me think of tonight.” (45:48)
    • Sam Roberts: “He’s a happiness vampire…He’s like, ‘oh, you have happiness running through your body. I’d love to feast upon it.’” (46:27)
  • The show's hosts note the historical significance: Gunther will now always be “the guy who made John Cena tap out in his last match.”

• Backstage Fallout:

  • The behind-the-scenes mood is somber; other superstars and crew exhibit open disdain for Gunther—Otis, Tozawa, and R-Truth among them:
    • Sam Roberts: “Truth calling Gunther straight up a piece of trash…Not having fun tonight.” (59:43)
    • Adam Pearce (Raw GM) uses an expletive to describe Gunther, highlighting the depth of animosity.

• Gunther’s Relentless Heel Work:

  • The hosts recount his continued taunting, including getting in AJ Styles’ face backstage, hitting him with “You can’t see me,” and relishing the crowd’s rage:
    • Megan Morant: “He rolled down the tinted window…I mean, come on.” (61:08)
    • Sam Roberts: “Gunther retired Goldberg and John Cena in the same calendar year…As long as Gunther is on the roster, I think people are gonna go, like…but maybe I don’t wanna do that. Cause that’s what’s waiting at the end of this thing.” (61:25)

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The Masked Man Revealed: Austin Theory’s New Edge (02:24 – 10:34)

• Austin Theory’s Heel Turn:

  • The podcast delves into the big Raw revelation: Austin Theory, now sporting a buzz cut and “angry energy,” is unmasked as the mysterious attacker aiding The Vision.
    • Sam Roberts: “This is for sure a different Austin Theory…This is a very, very serious Austin Theory…” (04:41)
  • Motives are debated—Sam speculates Theory’s grudge goes back to his stalled main roster run and potential feeling of being overlooked:
    • “It looks like he feels wronged and that, that, that venom that is running through his veins has been building since he’s been gone.” (08:05)
  • There’s lingering intrigue about his alliance with The Vision and Logan Paul:
    • Megan Morant: “The connection between Austin Theory and Logan Paul.” (04:58)
    • “He’s only appearing around The Vision…” (09:08)

• Impact on Other Stars:

  • Theory’s havoc includes costing CM Punk victories, injuring LA Knight (fractured sternum), and attacking Rey Mysterio, strongly impacting several current feuds.

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The Vision Stable: New WWE Power Structure (09:35 – 12:47)

• Leadership Shift:

  • Discussion focuses on Bron Breakker’s rapid ascension as the leader of “The Vision” stable (with Heyman, Bronson Reed, and Logan Paul) and their growing chemistry.
    • Megan Morant: “We really saw Bron Breakker take that leadership role…if CM Punk is in the building, we gotta take him out.” (11:17)
    • Sam Roberts: “The Vision is acting as more of a unit than I might have expected…” (12:04)

• Logan Paul with Paul Heyman:

  • The show highlights the now-real possibility of Logan Paul as a future industry pillar, especially under Heyman’s tutelage—a dynamic that stirs dread among purist fans.
    • Sam Roberts: “All these fears of Logan Paul’s self prophecy of being the future of the industry might actually come true…” (10:30)

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CM Punk vs. Bron Breakker: Personal and Psychological Warfare (15:35 – 24:07)

• Pipe Bomb and Promos:

  • CM Punk cuts a classic pipe bomb promo, going after Bron Breakker and his family.
    • Megan Morant: “A cross eyed Neanderthal nepo baby.” (17:05)
    • Sam Roberts: “The Steiner Brothers Dumb and Dumber, which is not cool. I don’t agree with it…” (17:12)
    • “CM Punk said, you say anything like that again, I will turn this from business to personal so fast.” (17:52)

• Breakker’s Psychological Edge:

  • The hosts debate whether Punk is truly in control, or if Heyman and Breakker are masterfully goading Punk into a psychological trap:
    • Sam Roberts: “Paul Heyman is a noted strategic genius…Is CM Punk completely doing exactly what Bron Breakker wants him to do? Because it seems like he is.” (18:02)
    • “Who knows CM Punk better than Paul Heyman? No one.” (20:40)
    • The upcoming Raw in Brooklyn on January 5th (Raw on Netflix’s anniversary) is set to be pivotal.

• Stakes for WrestleMania:

  • The possibility of Breakker winning the title and headlining WrestleMania 2026 is discussed:
    • Sam Roberts: “If Bron Breakker wins the title from CM Punk on January 5th, who’s taking it from him before WrestleMania?” (25:02)
    • Both agree that Breakker looks the part: “It looks right, man.” (26:00)

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Women’s Division Spotlight and Other Hot Takes (64:37 – 71:22)

• Maxine Dupree’s Ascendance and Becky Lynch Subplots:

  • Analysis of Maxine’s improvement and champion status, plus playful ribbing over Megan’s Becky Lynch fandom and legal/”protest” subplot.

• Nikki Bella’s Return:

  • Discussion of Nikki’s interference and new “prove yourself to ME” attitude:
    • Sam Roberts: “I think that Nikki Bella has gotten to a place where she’s like, ‘Why do I need to show up and prove that I can fit in with this crop?…They need to fit in with me.’” (70:25)

• Upcoming Tag Matches and Developments:

  • Teasers for next week’s matches, especially involving Liv Morgan & Roxanne Perez, Judgment Day, and the Kabuki Warriors.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Gunther Ending Cena’s Career:

  • “He ended John Cena. It’s not even retired. He ended John Cena.” – Megan Morant (58:35)
  • “He’s a happiness vampire…He’s like, ‘oh, you have happiness running through your body. I’d love to feast upon it.’” – Sam Roberts (46:27)

• On the Emotional Weight of Cena’s Retirement:

  • “For me, the big thing was there’s very few moments in your life…where you go, oh, my gosh, let Me, like, take a photograph with my mind and remember, like, where I’m at…” – Jackie Redmond (30:32)

• On Austin Theory’s New Attitude:

  • “This is for sure a different Austin Theory…This is a very, very serious Austin Theory.” – Sam Roberts (04:41)

• On The Vision and Logan Paul’s Rise:

  • “All these fears of Logan Paul’s self prophecy of being the future of the industry might actually come true…” – Sam Roberts (10:30)

• On the Next Era Post-Cena:

  • “2026 is going to look more different than anybody realizes. John Cena headlined every single ple this year. So that’s a huge difference…” – Sam Roberts (38:34)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• Austin Theory Unmasked as the Masked Man – 02:24–10:34
• The Vision, Bron Breakker’s Leadership – 09:35–12:47
• CM Punk & Bron Breakker Promo Analysis – 15:35–24:07
• Cena’s Retirement, Emotional Responses (with Jackie Redmond) – 29:44–49:32
• Gunther’s Celebration and Trash Talk – 42:12–End
• Raw Women’s Division Developments – 64:37–71:22

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Tone and Style

The podcast’s tone balances playful banter with heartfelt reflection. Sam and Megan maintain their trademark quick wit (with Megan often ribbing Sam over his “scams” and Sam poking fun back), but give ample space for raw, unscripted emotion—especially as Cena’s legendary career closes and new WWE icons are positioned for the future.

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In summary:
This episode captures a historic turning point for Monday Night Raw and WWE at large. The baton has passed from Cena to a cohort of the hungry, the visionary, and the villainous. Gunther stands tall—unapologetic, menacing, and celebrated by hate—as the new emotional center of wrestling heartbreak. Meanwhile, Punk, Breakker, Theory, Cody, and The Vision set the table for 2026, where no legacy is safe and every champion is a target.

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Transcript

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[Sam Roberts]

We now know the identity of the masked man that's been helping Paul Heyman and everybody around him. Gunther shows up on Monday Night Raw and everybody hates him. The Usos are a tag team again. CM Punk drops a pipe bomb. This is Raw recap, a WWE and Fanatics original production. Megan, you know. You know we're going to get to Gunther.

[Megan Morant]

We have to.

[Sam Roberts]

We have to get to Gunther. But before we get there, because we have so much, you know, last we spoke, it was right after Saturday night's main event. It was right after John Cena had had his last match, and tonight was the first Monday night Raw post. John Cena and I thought it was a remarkable journey because at the beginning of the show, we were still very much thinking of John Cena in the aftermath of John Cena. But by the end of the show, much like John Cena predicted on the podcast that he went on, the world had kind of moved on. We were already moving on to what's.

[Megan Morant]

Next in WWE 2, CM Punk and Bron Breakker. And that Austin theory is the masked man that has been helping the vision. But I also just. It's getting a little warm in here. Loosen up the jacket. Oh, am I wearing a Becky lynch shirt?

[Sam Roberts]

Does she even work here anymore?

[Megan Morant]

She sure does.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I know. She's. She's a vlogger now. You know, I made it onto one of her vlogs.

[Megan Morant]

Congratulations. That's big for your brand.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm so excited about it.

[Megan Morant]

Probably the biggest appearance that you've ever had.

[Sam Roberts]

I thought vlogging wasn't allowed in the locker room. But regardless, regardless, if she doesn't want to show up on Monday Night Raw, I don't know why we would talk about her on the Raw recap. But by the way, great defense from the Women's Intercontinental Champion, Maxine Dupree tonight. She was fabulous. Anyway, she was.

[Megan Morant]

She was all right.

[Sam Roberts]

You're right about Austin Theory. The highly speculated. There were those that, that, that thought that this could be the Masked Man. Many theories all over the place.

[Megan Morant]

No pun intended.

[Sam Roberts]

I'll take it, though. I'll take it, though. And lo and behold, there he is, Austin Theory. But I'll tell you. Okay, so, so we've got this match with Logan Paul and Rey Mysterio, and this is a few weeks in the making. Now, look at that. Austin Theory, by the way. Just a, just, just, just angry. Austin Theory. Buzz cut.

[Megan Morant]

I'm excited about the buzz cut because, you know, things got a lot better for you when you buzzed off all your hair. I mean, a lot of people were saying, even this weekend BackStage in Washington, D.C. when you posted your Instagram scroll of old pictures and you and John Cena and there were some pictures in there. Old Sam with the curly hair. And people are like, I don't even like that Sam.

[Sam Roberts]

This is what they said.

[Megan Morant]

This bald sa. So, yeah. So I'm excited because things get better when. When you buzz off your hair. At least for you. Can you. Oh, wow, you look just like Theory. You're doing the Theory face right now.

[Sam Roberts]

So is that a compliment? You're telling. They were saying they didn't like curly hair.

[Megan Morant]

They just said they like this version better.

[Sam Roberts]

That's what I look at them like.

[Megan Morant]

So I'm excited for Theory because things tend to get better, studies show.

[Sam Roberts]

Look, I'm going to study, and in your experience, I'll take it. I'll take it. Wherever I can find a compliment, I'll take it. I mean, this is for sure a different Austin Theory.

[Megan Morant]

No question.

[Sam Roberts]

He's got this buzz cut.

[Megan Morant]

I have so many questions, though, about Theory, because Paul Heyman didn't know who the masked man was. He says, allegedly.

[Sam Roberts]

Thank you.

[Megan Morant]

Allegedly.

[Sam Roberts]

Allegedly.

[Megan Morant]

It seems that, that Logan Paul, though, he keeps bringing up this masked man and how they've been helping him. I wonder.

[Sam Roberts]

Ooh, I like that.

[Megan Morant]

The connection between Austin Theory and Logan Paul.

[Sam Roberts]

Like Logan Paul saying, well, I'm sure the masked man will be there. And everybody's like, what are you talking about? How would you know if the masked man is going to be there?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And Logan Paul is the type that if he had a trick up his sleeve, he would give it away by mistake.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

You know what I mean? Like, he's like, he's not quite sure. I mean, look, Austin Theory, though, you know, there was a time when Austin Theory was like all smiles. Austin Theory was. He would take a selfie. He would have. You know, this is not that Austin Theory. This is a very, very serious Austin Theory. This seems like an Austin Theory that is not acting just on behal of the people who he's helping. But I mean, just based on the facial expression alone, it appears that he's looking to harm the people that he's looking to harm. Like he has a reason to do the things that he's doing. This doesn't strike me, and all I know is what I've seen, but it doesn't strike me as somebody who is working out of, like a positive energy.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. Let's go back Survivor Series. The first time we saw this mass man, right? What happened? It led to CM Punk being pinned by Bron Breaker.

[Sam Roberts]

First of all, he climbs up that cage in one second flat. So he hasn't lost an ounce of athleticism, I'll tell you that. But you're right. He stomps CM Punk, and it leads to Bron Breaker getting the pin over.

[Megan Morant]

CM Punk tonight when Austin Theory again climbs over the barricade, goes up the.

[Sam Roberts]

Stairs, right into the audience.

[Megan Morant]

Right into the audience. Unmasked, distract CM Punk, which leads to Bron Breaker spearing him and holding the title over Punk. CM Punk, I mean, twice now, he.

[Sam Roberts]

He.

[Megan Morant]

He led to the Braun Breaker pin. He led to CM Punk getting speared.

[Sam Roberts]

That's true. But also, a week ago, he stomped La Knight. That led to La Knight getting taken out. And we find out tonight he's out indefinitely.

[Megan Morant]

Yes. What was it? I. I have it written down. Um, fractured sternum.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. Which will happen to you when you get Tsunami on top of a car. So I've been told.

[Megan Morant]

I don't want to find out.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't either. I don't either. And then also, don't forget, stomped Rey Mysterio last week. So last week, he helped Logan Paul by stomping Rey Mysterio. And he took out La Knight. The other two times that we've seen him, he takes out CM Punk. That's 100% right. And there is that look on his face where he's. I mean, like. Like there's a. Like there's a grudge that he's settling. He's got a bone to pick with something or someone. I don't know what his grudge is, but a very, very long time since we've seen Austin Theory in a WWE ring. I, you know, I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that like, this was a guy who, coming out of nxt was one of these people who, you know, like we were talking about on Saturday night's main event, when you've got your Obafemi's or Javon Evans or Sol Ruka's when you're going, or Leon Slaters, you're going. This is, look, the future of the industry is right here. Austin theory was 100%.

[Megan Morant]

I remember the night he got drafted.

[Sam Roberts]

Right in that category of like, look.

[Megan Morant]

This is a huge deal.

[Sam Roberts]

This is the guy. And it didn't quite click, it didn't quite happen. And I wonder if that has anything to do with it. Or maybe I'm just, you know, assigning value to something that's not there. But to me, it felt like he was settling some kind of grudge that has been building since he's been gone. He doesn't look like, like, it looks like he feels wronged and that, that, that venom that is running through his veins has been building since he's been gone. That's just how it appeared to me.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

And it's an angry buzz cut.

[Megan Morant]

Very. And you would know the difference, right?

[Sam Roberts]

I feel like I have a happy bald head.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

[Sam Roberts]

Thank you.

[Megan Morant]

Very happy.

[Sam Roberts]

Thank you.

[Megan Morant]

That was not a happy bald head.

[Sam Roberts]

On his was an angry buzz cut.

[Megan Morant]

But it also is interesting that while he has something that is causing this anger, you would think. Yeah. Something that has gotten him to this point. It's interesting. Sort of the alignment with the vision.

[Sam Roberts]

If that, I mean, he only appears around the vision. It's also interesting that Paul Heyman atypically is, according to him, not in control of what's going on, but because he's being helped, he'll take the help.

[Megan Morant]

But Adam Pearce said, I need to know who the masked man is by the end of the night. And you know, technically, Paul Heyman delivered. I don't know if he had anything to do with it doesn't matter. He delivered.

[Sam Roberts]

Piers found out who the masked man is at the end of the night, as we all did now. I just wonder too, I mean, is this, is this a fourth member of the Vision, Logan Paul, clearly an official member of the Vision, Paul Heyman coming to the ring with Logan Paul tonight, one on one, like Paul Heyman accompanying Logan Paul, which was, I mean, an amazing visual and not one that I think a year ago people would have predicted. But I mean, I mean, look at that, that visual of Logan Paul. And it's almost like when Paul Heyman is with Logan Paul, all these fears of Logan Paul's self prophecy of being the future of the industry might actually come true. And that's a terrifying thing to wrestling fans. When wrestling fans talk about the future, we talk, we will talk about Bron Breaker, we will talk about Bronson Reed.

[Megan Morant]

You don't say Logan Paul. That's right, don't say it.

[Sam Roberts]

We'll talk about Oba, we'll talk about everybody's eye that, we'll talk about other stars.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, he has great matches.

[Sam Roberts]

But no, we'll even all talk about Dom before we'll say, and you know who else?

[Megan Morant]

It's really tough for you to talk about Dom too.

[Sam Roberts]

I will if need be. But you know who else? Logan Paul. And you go, no, couldn't be. And, and it's not even a fact based thing, it's an emotional based thing. We go, no, no, no. We just, we won't accept him.

[Megan Morant]

That can't be it.

[Sam Roberts]

We won't accept him. And then you see him with Paul Heyman and you're like, whoa, Paul Heyman has that way of going, like, whether you like this or you don't like this, I see this thing that either you don't see or you refuse to admit. And that's the thing that's going to carry Logan Paul on. And you go, we may not have a choice in the matter.

[Megan Morant]

I did think it was pretty cool to see the Vision backstage because while Logan Paul was preparing for this match against Rey Mysterio and talking about the Masked man when no one else in the Vision was, I felt like we really saw Bron Breakker take that leadership role. As he was standing over Logan Paul, he was standing over Bronson Reed and he was talking about, if CM Punk is in the building, we gotta take him out. It's 21 days until January 5th, which is the day that Bron Breaker believes he will become World Heavyweight champion. And I just thought seeing Braun and, and where he's, where he's come the past, you know, three or four weeks, ever since he cut that promo that left us all with our jaws on the floor. I mean he's, to me, he's, he's leading the Vision.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I think that that's right. I also think the Vision is acting as more of a unit than I might have expected them to act. Like they're all as different as Bronson and Braun and Logan and Heyman are. There is a chemistry going on between the four that I've never seen in other incarnations of the Vision. Quite frankly, with all due respect to Seth Rollins, I can. I can only if I'm. If you ask me to assume what that reason might be, I can only think of one. It being the time of the year, it's probably because one of them is giving out the best holiday gifts.

[Megan Morant]

Oh my God.

[Sam Roberts]

That anybody could give. And I'm thinking it's probably aura frames.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, they have a lot of memories to share.

[Sam Roberts]

I think that the idea that. And imagine if that's Logan Paul, right? If Logan Paul. Think about this, right? These are great. These aura frames are as holiday gifts. Logan Paul has this tremendous life. We saw him do the 24 hours in my life thing. He lives in this beautiful tropical paradise. Beautiful child, beautiful lady, getting on the pj, going to raw. What if Logan Paul was able to take as unlimited pictures and videos, Just upload them onto just an app via wifi on his phone like it's nothing and then those pictures go to everybody that's in the vision. That's possible if he gave them all an aura frame. These things are amazing. Like I said, you can share the photos and videos effortlessly. And Logan Paul, being the busy guy that he is, he doesn't even have to worry about wrapping the frames because a gift box is included. Every aura frame ships in these beautiful gift boxes with no price tag or anything on them.

[Megan Morant]

Perfect.

[Sam Roberts]

So you put them right under the tree and Christmas morning comes, Bronson Reed's opening it up.

[Megan Morant]

And by the way, Logan Paul all over the frame.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. You can preload it. You use on the app. You don't even have to open it. You preload it with the photos. So as soon as Bronson Reed opens it up, he goes, oh my God, look at all these great pictures of Logan Paul having a tropical Christmas. It's amazing. Don't wait. You too. Not just the vision, you too can win with aura frames. You could do it for your family, for your friends, for your vision. For a limited time, you can save on the perfect gift by visiting auraframes.com to get $35 off Aura's best selling Carver Bat frames named number one by Wirecutter by using promo code RAW recap at checkout. That's auraframes.com promo code RAW recap. This deal is exclusive to listeners and frames sell out fast, so order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning RAW recap at checkout. Terms and conditions apply.

[Megan Morant]

I hope I get an aura frame from you because I hope I'm in your vision.

[Sam Roberts]

We'll see.

[Megan Morant]

Got about what, nine days till the big guy comes.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. That's right. We'll see. We'll see if you're still in the clique by then. I don't know. I don't know. Keep wearing those shirts.

[Megan Morant]

It's not likely I'm protesting, so.

[Sam Roberts]

I know you are. I know you are. I know what you're doing.

[Megan Morant]

I did laundry.

[Sam Roberts]

You did.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, I only have two Becky lynch shirts at the moment.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, you didn't know she's gonna be protesting for quite as long as she's been protesting.

[Megan Morant]

I know.

[Sam Roberts]

I was hoping weird that her protest lines up perfectly with the holidays. Almost like the time that everybody wants to have a nice vacation for themselves. I'm sure, though it's very.

[Megan Morant]

She has a lot of meetings with lawyers. They're trying to get this wrapped up by the.

[Sam Roberts]

I know all about the bull shark and the bulldog.

[Megan Morant]

Have they been reaching out to you?

[Sam Roberts]

No, they don't have my number. Thank God.

[Megan Morant]

We could change that.

[Sam Roberts]

Anyway, at the end of the show, Bron Breaker don't give my number. Bron Breaker is looking down at CM Punk saying, if you ever talk about my family again, you're not going to be able to stand up on your own legs. Because of course at the beginning of the show, we got CM Punk dropping a pipe bomb. Brom Breaker said, I want the 2011cm punk. And while I don't think we were fully back to 2011, we were closer than we've been for a long time. And you wonder too, by the way. You wonder too the fact that that raw ended with Braun Breaker on top of CM Punk threatening to remove his limbs from his body, holding the world in heavyweight championship. You wonder if Punk in that moment is thinking, was it worth it? Was it worth what I said? Because Punk goes out there and I knew, and I'm sure you did too, when Punk rolls out with that sick jacket on. So cool, very cool. Asks for the mic and then he does the thing, slides the mic flag off the mic. That's the start of the pipe bomb.

[Megan Morant]

That'S sat up in my chair a little taller.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes. I said, here we go, here we go. And he immediately starts going in on Bron Breakker, calling him a Neanderthal and a nepo baby.

[Megan Morant]

A cross eyed Neanderthal nepo baby.

[Sam Roberts]

That was the quote. Thank you.

[Megan Morant]

And then he insulted Braun's family's intelligence.

[Sam Roberts]

No. And he said he shouted him out by name. He called this the Steiner Brothers Dumb and Dumber, which is not cool. I don't agree with it. I'm a longtime Steiner Brothers fan. Big Papa Pump the Dog Face Gremlin. Can't get enough of them. And look at what we've got coming off of that brawn, Breaker. It's an amazing family tree. But yeah, CM Punk was making a lot of derogatory remarks.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, he even said he would piss on Bron Breaker's single digit IQ brain.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, that's because he was going to tear his eyeballs out if he ever.

[Megan Morant]

Said anything about his wife again.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, listen.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, he went there though. Bron Breaker went there.

[Sam Roberts]

He started A's.

[Megan Morant]

He tried to make this personal. And CM Punk said, you say anything like that again, I will turn this from business to personal so fast.

[Sam Roberts]

But it's interesting, right? Because CM Punk was acting as if he is the one that is setting the pace, that he is the pay scar. He's the one that's going to decide when it goes from business to personal. He's the one. Once, you know, old CM Punk comes back, there's nothing you can do. Look, Paul Heyman is a noted strategic genius. Is CM Punk completely doing exactly what Bron Breaker wants him to do? Because it seems like he is. And once again, we end Monday Night Raw by hook or by crooked with Braun Breaker standing strong. I mean, Braun is the one that said he wants the old CM Punk back. And he got a version of the old CM Punk. Braun is obviously bringing up CM Punk's wife because AJ Lee. Because he wants CM Punk to get upset, and CM Punk got upset. I think there's a world where Braun is hoping that he crossed the line because he wants CM Punk to cross the line. Because if CM Punk crosses the line, then Bron Breaker can't be held accountable for what he physically does to CM Punk. That was the read that I got. Give me a reason to tear your limbs away from you. You heard how much he wanted to take out CM Punk. But Paul Heyman said, no, no, no, you can't do it. You can't do it. 21 days, 21 days, 3 weeks until this big world.

[Megan Morant]

Breaker is foaming at the mouth, right? His hands on CM Punk, right? I mean, he's been foaming at the mouth since Seth Rollins was taken out by him of the Vision, right?

[Sam Roberts]

And it's. It's interesting because one part of me goes, well, if you look at CM Punk, I mean, there's a lot of people that if you get them to fight angry, they'll lose. You know what I mean? If you get them to fight angry, they're going to get off focus. CM Punk does real well with a chip on his shoulder.

[Megan Morant]

Of course he does.

[Sam Roberts]

CM Punk does.

[Megan Morant]

CM Punk was built with a chip on his shoulder.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. He does really well. When there's an enemy, when there's something to conquer, when there's, when there's an enemy that people say he can't beat them. CM Punk does really well with that. And so I go, does Bron Breaker not know, you know, is he biting off more than he can chew? Does he not know? CM Punk is not built like a traditional opponent? But then I take it a step further and I go, of course. Braun Breaker knows exactly how CM Punk is built. Who's in Bron Breakker's corner?

[Megan Morant]

Paul Heyman.

[Sam Roberts]

Who knows CM Punk better than Paul Heyman?

[Megan Morant]

No one. I mean, literally, Paul Heyman helped build CM Punk.

[Sam Roberts]

Remember, they were best friends up until April of this year.

[Megan Morant]

Best friend in the world.

[Sam Roberts]

Best friend in the world up until the 19th of April, 2025, when Paul Heyman turned on both CM Punk and Roman Reigns and this vision of the future first began. I mean, I, I, I, I think by the time we get to the January 5th raw in Brooklyn, the one year anniversary of Raw on Netflix, this thing is going to be deeply personal. I think that it, it can't be overstated that this is Braun breakers first opportunity at the world Heavyweight title. This is somebody who has been prophesied as the future of WrestleMania main events. Now, CM Punk, I loved CM Punk saying this. CM Punk brought up the fact that in his long tenure in wwe, he's had to stand across from a lot of future of WrestleMania main events.

[Megan Morant]

A lot of blue chippers.

[Sam Roberts]

A lot of blue chippers. A lot of next big things, and a lot of them haven't panned out. And anybody that's followed the career of CM Punk knows that that's not just, that's not just, you know, those aren't just words. That's reality that happened.

[Megan Morant]

He would have a pocket full of dimes.

[Sam Roberts]

Pocketful, Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking at least A$40 in dimes. So that's good money.

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[Sam Roberts]

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[Sam Roberts]

But Bron Breaker feels different, man.

[Megan Morant]

He does. It's wild though, because you know, when Bron Breaker came up to Monday Night Raw and when Bron Breaker joined the Vision. I don't know for some reason myself, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this thought. Okay, maybe in two years, maybe in a year. The fact that in 21 days we realistically could see Brom Breakker with the World Heavyweight Championship and it doesn't feel like that's something that would be outlandish in WWE.

[Sam Roberts]

Here's the thing. January 5th is to me and something that we've seen kind of happen. Once the year starts, we're building up to the Royal Rumble.

[Megan Morant]

It sets the tone.

[Sam Roberts]

Not only does it set the tone, but we're starting to get to a point where WrestleMania is becoming a clearer and clearer picture. Survivor Series is behind us. John Cena's career is behind us. Everything is behind us. And now we're pushing towards WrestleMania. The idea that Braun Breaker as the future of WrestleMania main events. That doesn't mean the long distant future of WrestleMania main events. That could mean this year, 2026 WrestleMania main events. What's the best way to get to the main event of WrestleMania?

[Megan Morant]

Become the world heavyweight champion.

[Sam Roberts]

That before WrestleMania. That's right.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

You could win the Royal Rumble, you could win the elimination chamber, you could get a shot, or you could walk in as champion. And if Bron Breakker wins the title from CM Punk on January 5th, who's.

[Megan Morant]

Taking it from him before WrestleMania?

[Sam Roberts]

Exactly. Right?

[Megan Morant]

Who?

[Sam Roberts]

You know, I and I, and I think that like in almost every scenario as fans, we'd go, well, it's going to be great and they're going to tell a story. But Bron Breaker's not going to win the title. CM Punk's not going to lose the title. Bron Breaker is not going to win the title. Already, I don't know man, but Bron Breakker is different, and everybody knows that. Everybody can see it. If I tell you Bron Breakker could be the World Heavyweight Champion right now, are you going to tell me, oh, no, I couldn't see it.

[Megan Morant]

No.

[Sam Roberts]

Right, right.

[Megan Morant]

I saw him holding up that title at the end of Raw, you said.

[Sam Roberts]

By the way, forget about the end of Raw because you, Megan Morant.

[Megan Morant]

That's me.

[Sam Roberts]

After Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed took out Seth Rollins.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, and they were arriving at them.

[Sam Roberts]

Braun Breaker held the title and then kept it for a week and then showed up with the World Heavyweight Championship. And Bron Breaker war. What'd you tell me?

[Megan Morant]

Said it looks right, man.

[Sam Roberts]

Crazy.

[Megan Morant]

It does. With Heyman behind him and Bronson Reed by his side. Yeah, it looked good.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, listen, I've never been in a World Heavyweight championship match. Thank God it's not for my safety.

[Megan Morant]

That's exactly right.

[Sam Roberts]

I can tell you, Tim, I believe that there is one thing that Bron Breaker needs to, above all else, make sure happens before January 5th.

[Megan Morant]

What's that?

[Sam Roberts]

A good night's sleep. He needs to make sure that he shows up to Brooklyn well rested and ready to go. And the one way he could make sure that he does that is on January 4th, he sleeps where? Brooklyn betting. Right. He's going to Brooklyn anyway. Get on some Brooklyn betting, have a great sleep. You're thinking about Brooklyn.

[Megan Morant]

You.

[Sam Roberts]

You're ready to go. Somebody like Bron Breaker can't mess around when it comes to things that he uses every day. And a mattress is something you're going to use every day. I mean, think about it. You win the world heavyweight title in Brooklyn, don't you want to go to sleep on a mattress with the tag that says Brooklyn? Yeah, of course you do. Of course you do. I mean, listen, these beds as well, you can feel the work ethic that goes into them. There's real craftsmanship, honest materials. There is no BS in these mattresses. I enjoy supporting companies that still do things well, that still do things the right way. And Brooklyn Bedding is one of them. Built to last in their own US Factory, these mattresses are second to none. Sleeping on. On. On my Brooklyn Bedding mattress, I can really. I feel the quality, I feel the stitching, the. The support. It's not just a mattress, it's a masterpiece in sleep. This is the way you gotta do it. And I would say this to you, Megan, I would say this to our beautiful audience, and I would say this to Bron Breaker as he prepares for the World Heavyweight championship. Brooklyn Bedding is one of the few mattress brands actually endorsed by the American Chiropractic association for spinal alignment and back health. Plus, they're 100% fiberglass free, so you can have peace of mind. And if Bron Breaker came to me and said, I don't know, this seems too good to be true, I said, okay, how about this? Brooklyn Betting also offers a 120 night comfort trial. Love it. Or they'll help you return or swap it completely hassle free. I'm not kidding, man. Go to BrooklynBetting.com and use promo code RAW recap at checkout to get 30% off site wide. This offer is not available anywhere else. Braun, if you're listening, we get you 30% off. That's Brooklyn betting.com promo code RAW RECAP for 30% off site wide. You can support RAW recap and let them know that we sent you after checkout Brooklyn betting.com promo code RAW recap now. Megan.

[Megan Morant]

Yes, Sam.

[Sam Roberts]

We got a lot to talk about coming off of Saturday night's main event.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, tons.

[Sam Roberts]

John Cena, of course, the way we started Monday night RAW with Gunther. But before we get there, why don't we get to see some, some perspective from Boots on the ground in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Why don't we go to a guest? Let's welcome our first guest to RAW recap, all the way from beautiful Hershey, Pennsylvania, the one and only Jackie Redmond. How are you, Jackie?

[Jackie Redmond]

Oh, my gosh, I have so many feelings that I can't wait to share with you guys. Thank you for having me. I'm so pumped.

[Megan Morant]

This is a spot for feelings. We are very glad that you're there.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Jackie Redmond]

And I have so many feelings. Like too many feelings sometimes. But let's, let's talk about our feelings.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I think, you know, coming off of Raw, there's so much to talk about, but at the same time, you know, coming off of the last three days, there's so much to talk about. We were just there with you in Washington D.C. on Saturday night. It's so strange coming off of Rock. Cause it really does feel like, oh, we really are moving on without John Cena, but it's difficult. How, how, how were you feeling on Saturday 1st? Just bearing witness to everything. That was John Cena's final match.

[Jackie Redmond]

You know what? For me, the big thing was there's very few moments in your life, not even just in your career, where you're in the moment and you go, oh, my gosh, let Me, like, take a photograph with my mind and remember, like, where I'm at, what it looks like, what it feels like. And you. You think consciously to actually take in your surroundings. The sights, the smells, the sounds, all of it, because you know how special it is that you get to be there. And that was one of those moments for me. Like, I' only been working with WWE for a handful of years, so to be a part of something that massive and that important and that meaningful, not just to the fans, but to the wrestling business, I was just trying to soak it all in so that I could remember it. Because I think a lot of times when you go to a big concert or you're part of a big moment, like, you kind of black some of it out because you're so excited and you have all these feelings and, like, everything's happening so fast. So for me, I just really tried to kind of take it in. I do have one regret, though. I saw John Cena backstage, like, five times, and I never asked him for a photo. I just didn't feel right about it and I never did it. And now I'm like, you know what? You should have just stopped being a scaredy cat and ask the man for a photo. He would have taken it. Because I've seen about a thousand of them since Saturday.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but they're not professionals. You're a professional.

[Megan Morant]

That's right, you are.

[Jackie Redmond]

I'm a serious journalist.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, exactly right.

[Megan Morant]

And you did some serious questioning journalism at the end. Serious journalism. At the end of Saturday night's main event on the Post show. We saw this all over social media. I saw you shared it on your account as well. This emotional interview with Cody Rhodes. Can you describe to us what was going on during that interaction? I mean, Sam and I just watched it back and it was really powerful.

[Sam Roberts]

Raw.

[Megan Morant]

Yes. Yeah.

[Jackie Redmond]

For lack of a better word, it was very raw. And all of the credit in the world to Cody Rhodes for not just, like, agreeing to do the interview on the spot. And I promise you, WWE Universe, like, I did approach him without any. Like, he had no heads up that that was going to happen because we didn't know that Cody Rhodes would stay by the ring while everyone else left to have a moment for himself. And when we saw that, it was like, we have to at least try to talk to him and figure out what it is he's feeling, why he needs to be there, why he wants this moment for himself, just with himself and John Cena's shoes in the ring. So all the credit To Cody for being open to that, but also for being so real about his emotions. He was crying, he had tears. And for me, like, because I've done this wrong in the past in my career, it was one of those moments where once I asked the question, like I was just going to let Cody go as long as he wanted to go. Say everything that you want to say. I'm not going to ask a follow up question until it is very clear that you've sort of emptied the emotional tank. And I think it's so awesome that Cody was able to be that open and vulnerable and emotional, especially as a man, a strong, powerful man in wwe, to be, you know, able to cry on TV and say how emotional it is. And, and it was poetic. A lot of the stuff that he said too. And I really admire him for, for having the decency to do that. And yeah, it turned into a really, I think, great moment that I think a lot of wrestling fans relate to because it is hard to see John Cena go. It doesn't feel right to close that chapter. And it's weird to come out on Monday. Like the only person happy about John Cena not being around anymore, of course is good. Like he could not care less that John Cena has done. He made that very clear. But I think, you know, for, for wrestling fans, it's a very bittersweet thing where you're like, oh my gosh, this was so great. Your run was so good, you gave us so much, but now it's over. And how do we wrestle with that? How do we accept it and how do we move on from it? Will there ever be another John Cena? Are we ever going to feel like this again? Like, I don't know.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, it's interesting because we might, and it might be a night like that for Cody Rhodes. But one of the things, first of all, I thought, I mean, I'm, I'm, I thought it was really interesting that you just pointed out that you intentionally just allowed Cody to say everything. Not just like answer the question, but say everything that was on his mind. Cause I was so glad that you did that because as a wrestling fan, you're 100% right about the way people were feeling and capturing that moment. And in terms of, of wrestlers, it's hard to imagine that you could find somebody with a better perspective than Cody. Not just because he is the top guy now. He, first of all, he is the guy that John Cena passed the torch to on this retirement run at SummerSlam. Second of all, he's the one still carrying that title. But third of all, and maybe most importantly, wrestling's literally in his blood. It's in his DNA. This is something that he's grown up around. I mean, there's. There's anybody that can appreciate what John Cena has done, it's Cody. Not just because he's been there. You know, I saw this old interview with John Cena on like, some radio station or something. And this is from, like, John Cena just kind of settling into being the top guy. And they asked him, like, who are guys now that are, like, new that we should keep an eye on? And he said, cody Rhodes, before Cody left. This is way in the beginning of Cody Rhodes. And he said, cody Rhodes. So the history between those two is deep, but Cody's connection to wrestling goes so deep. And I thought it was so great that he was so open with you about what this is for wrestling and kind of the beauty that is a career like this in wrestling.

[Jackie Redmond]

And I think too, like, Cody understands it on another level as well, because, you know, it wasn't that long ago where we, as a collective fan base were really wanting to see Cody sort of finish the story. Of course his story is still going, but, like, not everyone gets to finish their story. Not everyone gets to leave the way that they want to leave. Not everyone gets to, you know, achieve everything, of course, in the ring, but then also kind of go out the way they want to go out, get. Go around and say, this is my retirement tour. If you want to see me one last time, like, I'm going to give you 25 dates to try to be able to do that. Like, there's only. John Cena is the only person that's ever done that. Not everyone gets to. And I think Cody, on another level, because he left this place because he had to go and do it a different way, maybe understands just how special that is and how rare it is for someone to be able to do that. And so he gets more emotional about it. But to me, I didn't feel this in the moment, but when I watched the interview back, I also thought, you know, I think Cody witnessed this night, watched this match, watched the tribute, watch John Cena say goodbye. And I think he also felt the weight of, you know, I am one of the guys that is. Is going to help carry this business and this company forward, and I'm following this guy. And that is a huge, huge amount of pressure and expectation. And of course, you want to. You want to hit that bar, you want to exceed that bar, you want to do everything you can to kind of do it as well as the greatest of all time did. And so I imagine there's also an emotion and a. A heaviness even that comes with that. And I'm sure Cody feels that, too. I bet you I haven't asked him this, but I bet you, like, he feels weird this week, too. Like, oh, man. Like, it really. Like, John Cena's gone. Like, it really is now my time.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and. And. And also, what does this thing look like? You know what I mean? It's not like John Cena was like, you know, he was coming in and out for the last several years, but he's been a mainstay throughout 2025 and 2026, I think, is going to look more different than anybody realizes. John Cena headlined every single ple this year. So that's a huge difference going into 2026 for you. Take the microphone out of your hand. I'm not talking to some journalist anymore, okay? I'm talking to somebody who is in the moment, observing. And I know it's complicated because you're getting ready to start the post show knowing that John Cena's match is the last match. But at the same time, I don't think I've ever been in an environment where there were more wrestlers, cameramen, staff, referees, broadcasters that were just there in the moment, watching this happen when Jon taps and it's over. As a. Just on a human level, as a. As a. As a. As a fan of the business, how did you. How did Jackie feel?

[Jackie Redmond]

I felt sad. Like, Honestly, it felt sad to me.

[Megan Morant]

Like.

[Jackie Redmond]

And I'll say this, too. Like, I don't like that John Cena tapped. Like, I don't like that. I don't like it. I. I understand it. I understand it, but I don't like. Doesn't. It's like John Cena, man. But you don't, John. You never give up your hustle, loyalty, respect.

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Jackie Redmond]

Like, this isn't you. I know there's more there, and I know you could see him, right? You could see him mouthing afterwards. I. I don't have anything left. That's it. Which. I get it. That's why you're retiring, but I know you. I know there's more there. I know we wanted there to be more there. We didn't want him to quit. You could have hung on just a little longer. Pass out, make Gunther. Make you pass out. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's that is how I truly felt in that moment. I was like, now I don't want you to tap your John Cena because I knew the reaction would be to that from a lot of people.

[Megan Morant]

But were you biting the bottom lip like Sam. Sam was holding back tears biting the bottom lip.

[Sam Roberts]

I wasn't. That was not what I was doing. You were. That's not what I was. I wasn't biting them. I was just. That's how I. That's my.

[Megan Morant]

Be a real man like Cody Rhodes and let yourself cry. Stop biting that lip.

[Sam Roberts]

That's my resting bee face. I wasn't biting a lip. I wasn't.

[Jackie Redmond]

It's okay if you were quivering.

[Sam Roberts]

It's okay. There was no quivering. I'm a big. I'm a big, strong, masculine man.

[Megan Morant]

There was no quivering.

[Jackie Redmond]

I feel like men quiver.

[Megan Morant]

They do.

[Jackie Redmond]

In the right moment.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm thinking about it again. No, I look, yeah, there might have been some lip biting lots.

[Jackie Redmond]

But I will say this. It's like, obviously, you know, it's a big moment. You know, it's special. But then you see how some of the other greatest to ever do this are reacting and like watching that tribute, tribute video and you see like, yeah, Cody Rhodes was emotional in the interview, but I also saw AJ Styles look teary eyed at ringside. And CM Punk, I mean, those are.

[Megan Morant]

Two of the best.

[Jackie Redmond]

Like, those guys, resumes in their own right have done so much. And so for them to really be like tipping their, you know, metaphorical hat to John Cena and being like, that guy is the best. He is the best in the world. Like, that's pretty. That's telling, right? Like that, that tells you how massive it is.

[Sam Roberts]

So, so tonight in Hershey and this was a question on everybody's mind. This is a question we were talking about today. Like, it was, what is next for Gunther? Because that's what it becomes all about, right? The fact that we didn't get to feel good. The fact that we didn't get that sort of, yay, John Cena won and all is right.

[Jackie Redmond]

Didn't get a happy ending. And what do you always say about good?

[Sam Roberts]

Third, he's the reality.

[Jackie Redmond]

Let us have happy endings.

[Sam Roberts]

No, he's not there for happy endings. He's there to ruin them. He's there and he tells you. He tells you you're not getting it and you still want to believe. Of course I'm going to get it.

[Megan Morant]

He told us last week on Raw he was going to make Cena quit.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm going to make him give up. He's like.

[Jackie Redmond]

Cody says wrestling is a love story. Gunther says, I think not.

[Sam Roberts]

No, I think not.

[Jackie Redmond]

I actually think it's not. They're not going to end up together. You're not getting the happy ending. There's no marriage. And them babies. It is. I will ruin whatever your perfect ending is. Not on my watch.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. You're going to die alone instead.

[Jackie Redmond]

Yeah. You're going to be lonely and miserable, and everything you love, I will rip from you. That's Gunther. And then we have to see him first.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes, yes.

[Jackie Redmond]

Hunter or Mad. What are you putting them out there first for?

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. That's right. That's right.

[Megan Morant]

Jackie was backstage booing Triple H. She was?

[Sam Roberts]

Yes, she was. Yes, she was right along.

[Jackie Redmond]

I was actually walking to gorilla and.

[Sam Roberts]

I went, boo, boo, boo. It was Jackie. It was that little.

[Megan Morant]

Here.

[Jackie Redmond]

And I said, yes, sir. I'll stop.

[Sam Roberts]

Right away, actually. Good idea, sir. Good idea.

[Megan Morant]

I love everybody backstage just giving Gunter the look right as he walked today.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Gosh, yeah. That was great.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Jackie Redmond]

And he's just walking around, like, with that extra little puff in his chest, like, oh, God. The guy wasn't confident enough already.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, he's literally. He's the guy now. I mean, that's what it is. I've said this before, but it's like when Brock Lesnar beat the streak, there was no you. That's one of those. Like, that moment happened and it can never be taken away. And for the rest of his life, it's. That's Brock Lesnar. He beat the streak. Gunther walked into an arena for the first time today as the guy who made John Cena give up in John's last match. That it'll never be taken away from him. Thirty years from now, it will still be top of the line credit. And I will disagree with you. You said that Gunther could not have cared less about what happened to Cena. I think he cared tremendously because he was happy. He was thrilled about it. You know what I mean? He walked out and I've never seen. You know, we've. So. We've seen those moments like. Like the Monday Night Raw After WrestleMania 33, when Roman Reigns had beaten the Undertaker and he just stood there in the ring and took all the boos. Right? This was different. Roman didn't. He wasn't happy about upsetting everybody. He wasn't happy about beating the Undertaker. But he had to do what he had to do. It was a match he had to win. Gunther went out of his way to make it the most painful loss that it could possibly be to make you, Jackie Redmond, feel specifically bad. And then when he got that confirmation in Hershey, Pennsylvania, that it wasn't just Washington, dc, It was also Hershey and every other town on the globe that hated him. I mean, not only was he smiling ear to ear, thrilled, but he went back for seconds and thirds. He would not leave.

[Jackie Redmond]

No, he, I would say, is, like, feeding off the pain. WWE Universe. Like, the booing and the hate. He's like, yes, more. This. This is like feeding me, actually. I am actually getting energy and I'm gaining from your pain. It's like, Sam, you know I love my fantasy books, right? Like, there's certain villains that get more powerful when they are around people who are in pain. Okay. That's what Gunther made me think of tonight. It's like, you're. Oh, you're that bad. You're like the vampire in this book I'm reading, like, gets more powerful because people are in pain around you.

[Sam Roberts]

Like, I was about to say, he's a happiness vampire. He's a happiness vampire. He's like, oh, you have happiness running through your body. I'd love to feast upon it. Yes.

[Jackie Redmond]

Yes. And that's exactly what it was tonight in that ring, right? Like, he was absolutely thrilled. Thrilled. He was like, you guys are idiots. You're giving me everything that I want right now, and I'm loving every second of it. And I win. You lose. Welcome to the Gunther era. Like, he just could not have been happier. And he was so smug backstage, too. Like, didn't even honestly walk by him in the hallway. Doesn't even look at you. Like, he is just like, I'm on a different plane than you, Redmond.

[Sam Roberts]

And he probably does feel that way specifically now.

[Jackie Redmond]

I mean, he should.

[Megan Morant]

He is. Wow.

[Sam Roberts]

And then, I mean, I mean, the end, too. Driving away from AJ Styles, that Mercedes hitting him with one of the. I go, did you have to? And by the way, what about the fact that AJ Styles said 2026 is going to be his last year wrestling? Gunther's going to ruin it, too. He's going to ruin it for everybody.

[Megan Morant]

Room. Goldberg, Rune Cena, AJ's Next.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, it's terrible. If you don't believe you ruined it for Goldberg, just ask Goldberg. It's bad stuff. Well, Jackie, I appreciate the, the, the, the boots on the ground perspective. I appreciate everything that you did on Saturday and, and, and. And getting the scoop from Cody. And also, I mean, you know, I don't Know if people realize, I think sometimes people take for granted that you're sitting there. Live is live is live. And you can hear Joe Test in an earpiece going, like, hey, go walk to the ring and see if there's anybody there. Hey, go talk to Cody. And you know you're live. That's a wild scenario.

[Jackie Redmond]

Yeah. Like, just so. So. Because I know people don't believe me when I say, like, Cody didn't know. Okay. And I didn't know that Cody was going to be there. And honestly, as people were following John Cena out of the ring, because that's what we do. We follow John Cena's lead.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Jackie Redmond]

I was sitting there going, I know they're coming to me at the top of this show, and everybody's leaving. And that is making me panic a little bit because I expected maybe more people would stay. So I'm like, what. What am I going to talk about? And then Cody and Jay have this moment before I. Before I leave, and I'm like, wait a second. Why is Jay asking Cody if he's all right? What's happening here? And that's really where it started, was seeing that interaction and then being like, oh, man, Cody is. Cody ain't leaving. Like, Cody's not doing what everyone else is doing right now. So that's amazing moment.

[Sam Roberts]

If you haven't seen it, look it up on YouTube or social, wherever you want to find it, check it out. It really is a great emotional moment and, of course, giving us the perspective on everything going on tonight in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Come back soon. Jackie, you're.

[Megan Morant]

Yes, please. Thanks, Jackie.

[Jackie Redmond]

I love you guys both so much. You do such great work, and I can't wait to see you on the road sometime soon. And happy holidays. In case I don't see you guys, happy holidays.

[Megan Morant]

Happy holidays. Bye.

[Sam Roberts]

Thank you so much to Jackie for. For. For all the insight and everything that she provides. And I got to tell you, if I could provide you with some insight, you want to hear interviews like that all day long?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

You got to have your earpieces in all day long. Right. But sometimes that can get uncomfortable. Right? Very wrong. Because I use Raycon, and I would recommend that everybody else do, too. If you're looking for a holiday gift, I've been using Raycon's essential open earbuds, and honestly, they're so good. I love that I can play my music and still hear what's going on around me. It's perfect for the gym. It's perfect when I'm out walking and right now they're up to 20% off for the holidays. So grab them while you still can. I mean, they're great. They, they, they, they have this like flexible hook and then sit right on top of your ears so you get that. You can listen to tunes or podcasts or whatever you want to listen to all day long and still be in touch with what's going on around you. Nobody's surprising you. You're not missing anything. You're just getting to enjoy everything. Plus, like I said, they're completely comfortable. They have 36 hours of battery life. That's eight hours for the earbuds and a 36 hour case. Days, days of non stop listening. I love these things. They're also stylish. You get them in so many different colors. So you know me, I always like to coordinate. So I make sure that I get a couple pairs of Raycons.

[Megan Morant]

So they match the fit, right?

[Sam Roberts]

So they match the fit. So whatever I'm feeling that day, you know what I mean? Because I'm going to listen, I'm going to leave them in all day. So I'm going to leave them in all day. I want to make sure they look good and they always do. And people come up to me, what are those? Those are amazing. They look so great. I go, they sound even better. That's what I say every time. The essential open earbuds are here for the holiday season and they're selling fast. Raycon Audio products are up to 20% off this holiday season. Go to buy raycon.com raw recap open to save on Raycon audio products site wide. It's an amazing time for, for to be a Raycon customer.

[Megan Morant]

Did you have a little FOMO that Jackie was in your favorite town? Hershey, Pennsylvania.

[Sam Roberts]

I love Hershey, Pennsylvania. I've gotten to take part in shows in Hershey, Pennsylvania. A show, a show in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

[Megan Morant]

Your Smackdown debut.

[Sam Roberts]

My smack. Hershey, Pennsylvania.

[Megan Morant]

Last minute call.

[Sam Roberts]

Last minute call. 4:30pm can you get to Hershey, Pennsylvania at 8:00pm? I said, you don't need to give me. You don't need get into Hershey. Yeah, I can get to Hershey.

[Megan Morant]

And of course he drove.

[Sam Roberts]

Of course I drove.

[Megan Morant]

Drives everywhere.

[Sam Roberts]

What's a better way to get there? By the way, I've been on the. You get to Hershey, Pennsylvania, take the whole family. I went on Candymonium. That's the roller coaster. I love Hershey.

[Megan Morant]

You've had great experiences in Hershey.

[Sam Roberts]

I've only had great times in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

[Megan Morant]

And Listen, you're not wrong about the driving because. Because you told all of us in D.C. that we should drive.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, of course you should drive From.

[Megan Morant]

Connecticut to D.C. it's the easiest way to get there. And we all thought you were crazy. And we all got delayed on our flights.

[Sam Roberts]

Crazy like a fox.

[Megan Morant]

So Sam was right again.

[Sam Roberts]

You know what I would say it's hard being right all the time. It's not. It feels great. But not as great as Gunther felt tonight.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, my gosh. You know, it's funny because after Cena's last match, you and I sat and we. We talked for a while and we had a conversation with R. Truth and, you know, there were just so many feelings come out. Coming out of Washington, dc.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. I feel like I was in a state.

[Megan Morant]

I was, too.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And the state really did carry over into today. I was listening to your podcast. I was listening to the 24 hour wrestling channel on Sirius XM. And. And, you know, everybody was talking about these emotions that had to do with John Cena's last match. And you pointed out on our recap show how Gunter is a bigger deal coming out of this match.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, it's the biggest deal because.

[Megan Morant]

That'S going to be the first thing that anybody mentions when they mention Gunter and his career. And I think it's inarguable that tonight we saw Gunter get the biggest reaction he's ever gotten.

[Sam Roberts]

The most noise. Yes, for sure. And it was a lot of booze. A lot of booze raining down on Gunther. But like I said to Jackie, he went back for seconds and thirds. I mean, this guy. And there was something about it. I don't know what it was. It felt so. Maybe because it felt so justified, I wanted him to get booed more. Gunther and I felt the same way. We both wanted Gunther to get booed, but I think it was for completely different reasons.

[Megan Morant]

You wanted him to get booed because he chose to humiliate John Cena.

[Sam Roberts]

He beat John Cena. He didn't give.

[Megan Morant]

Didn't just beat John Cena the way he beat John Cena.

[Sam Roberts]

The tap out.

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Sam Roberts]

Had to do the tap out.

[Megan Morant]

He made John Cena give up.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. Killed the John Cena.

[Megan Morant]

He could have just beat John Cena, but Because he made John Cena give up.

[Sam Roberts]

But, you know, if he had just beaten John Cena, there would have been a little bit left. John Cena tapping out. There's nothing left.

[Megan Morant]

And that's why Hershey, Pennsylvania reacted the way they did.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. And I had Said to Hershey, you better understand the assignment if you're showing up on Monday Night Raw tonight. And I feel like they completely understood the assignment. But, man, I mean, I don't know, you know, and you see reactions similar to that, but you never see guys like Gunther that are just sitting there enjoying it, like, in paradise. Like, I am so glad. And, you know, Gunther went on First Take before, and, I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, usually a WWE Superstar goes out of his way to come across as likable and charming when he's on a show. Like, First Take, Gunther puts on a show for no one. The guy will not do it. He is living life on Gunther's terms. Whether he's in the ring, whether he's in the locker room, whether he's on Raw recap, whether he's on First Take, it doesn't matter. He's just purely himself. He said he likes to. And he said he enjoys antagonizing people. He likes that. He likes that the people get upset. He. He. And. And. And it's not just like, hey, you know, if they're cheering or they're booing, at least they're making a sound. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want a specific noise. I want to know that I've hurt them. I want to know. I mean, I was watching videos of him, you know, yelling back and forth with children at ringside.

[Megan Morant]

I saw that, too.

[Sam Roberts]

And saying, like, you need to control yourself. You're out of control. And this little kid is going nuts on him. And I don't blame the little kid, you know, But Gunther coming out, you.

[Megan Morant]

Would think for the kids, you change your tone a little bit. Not Gunter.

[Sam Roberts]

Gunther is on Gunther's terms. And even this idea that, like, you know, some people get Gunther wrong, they go, well, for him, it's just business and whatever it takes. And, you know, there's no emotion involved whatsoever. And that's not true.

[Megan Morant]

There's a lot of emotion.

[Sam Roberts]

Clearly. There is. He's enjoying this part. He's enjoying where he's at in his career. And I think that he's enjoying that for a period of time. People thought he was just another part of the show, that there's this variety show and there's all this stuff happening on it, and Gunther is part of that. And Gunther does what Gunther does. But ultimately, it's all about the variety show. And Gunther's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm here to ruin all of that.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, he Told us on the RAW recap show that when he won the World Heavyweight championship from Jay uso, that nobody was waiting for him in Gorilla. And he liked that.

[Sam Roberts]

He's enjoyed that. He enjoyed that. And I see why. I see when there. People are waiting for him, they don't get along with him very well, which we'll get into in a minute. But, I mean, it's almost like because of the magnitude of what Gunther did on Saturday, there was everything that happened on Raw and then Gunther. You know what I'm saying?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And it was. It was a. It was a really interesting thing to observe. So finally. Right. He says, and also, I do want to say this, and I was pretty much on the audience's side, except the idea of chanting, you tapped out to Gunther. And he was almost, like, laughing at that chant. Like, I know that we were all doing it when he, like, tapped out to, like, Jay USO or whatever. But, like, dude, when you tap out John Cena, clearly you've upped your game.

[Megan Morant]

And those chants must stop.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, the. The sort of. I mean, they're ineffective. You could chant all you want, but it's meaningless. Once you tap out John Cena, any sort of missteps that you had earlier are null and void.

[Megan Morant]

Yep.

[Sam Roberts]

Like. Like, it is totally irrelevant.

[Megan Morant]

This is John Cena we're talking about. He retired John Cena.

[Sam Roberts]

He gave. He made him give up. He ended John Cena. It's not even retired. He ended John Cena.

[Megan Morant]

He ended sports. Sports entertainment on that night.

[Sam Roberts]

That's what Michael Cole said. And Michael Cole's usually right. Usually, but Michael Cole is usually right. And I think that. I think that that's something. You know, that's the reality of it. Gunther is all about reality. But watching him, like, and, you know, it was almost like we saw how upset people were coming off of Saturday night's main event, and Jackie touched on it. You know, it's because of the emotions that were at play the whole time. But seeing that play out as well behind the scenes on Monday night Raw, seeing Otis and Tozawa wanting nothing to do with Gunther, Truth calling Gunther straight up a piece of trash. And it wasn't. We were at least able. We were able to have a little bit of fun with Truth on the Saturday night's main event recap podcast, which is, if you haven't seen. You're one of the very few that haven't seen it. But if you haven't seen it, I would go back and check it out. Truth wasn't having fun tonight.

[Megan Morant]

Not at all.

[Sam Roberts]

Right in his face. You're a piece of trash. He said, I mean, the general manager of Monday Night Raw used an expletive.

[Megan Morant]

That doesn't make you the ring general. That makes you.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I know what he said. An expletive is what he said.

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Sam Roberts]

You already got away with CM Punk's P word. I'm not giving you Adam Pierce's a H word.

[Megan Morant]

I wasn't going to say it.

[Sam Roberts]

You were kind of wanting to.

[Megan Morant]

I wasn't gonna say it.

[Sam Roberts]

Then why'd you write it down?

[Megan Morant]

I wrote a dash, which you can say.

[Sam Roberts]

You can say that.

[Megan Morant]

You can say a dash.

[Sam Roberts]

You can say. Also, we're not on the radio. Well, I know. I want you to know we're not. This is a podcast, but thank you. I just didn't know if you were confused.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, very confused.

[Sam Roberts]

This was happening. This is not under FCC regulation.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, it's not? No, it's the Internet, so we can say whatever.

[Sam Roberts]

It's the wild west here. Except your boss will be mad, but. But then he gets to the car after all these people have said, we. We hate you, Gunther. That's basically what it was. And I can't imagine he was even.

[Megan Morant]

Crew people backstage just giving him the look of disgust.

[Sam Roberts]

There were writers, they were just sitting there going like, oh, I hate that guy. I mean, that's real, dude. And then Gunther gets to his car, and AJ Styles is right there just to give him a dirty look, just to glare at him. And Gunther hits him with the you can't see me. And I did.

[Megan Morant]

He rolled down the tinted window.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, come on.

[Megan Morant]

To do the you can't see me laughed about it and drove off.

[Sam Roberts]

Probably an illegal tint. I hope he gets pulled over.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, I think in Pennsylvania, they have laws against those.

[Sam Roberts]

100%. 100%. That's a ticket. That's a ticket that's coming his way.

[Megan Morant]

What do you think Gunter would say to the officer that pulls him over?

[Sam Roberts]

He'd probably tell him what he did. You're probably saying expletive about John Cena, but you can't help. I can't help but think Gunther retired Goldberg and John Cena in the same calendar year. I think that John Cena's retirement is going to make people go, oh, there are different things I could do when it's time for me to wrap up my career in wwe. At the same time, the way it ended, as long as Gunther is on the roster, I think people are gonna go, like. But maybe I don't wanna do that. Cause that's what's waiting at the end of this thing. And I don't wanna go out like that.

[Megan Morant]

I know it was such a mixture of emotions and I know everybody keeps saying that because it was just like, you know, such a celebration of Cena in his career throughout the day. You know, I think of the balloons, I think of the video packages that played, but then the actual match itself. It was a beautiful story. Story. I mean, it was a. But the. It was just heartbreaking, right?

[Sam Roberts]

So when I tell you that AJ Styles has said 2026 is his last.

[Megan Morant]

Year and then Gunter walks right by.

[Sam Roberts]

Him, I don't even want to think.

[Megan Morant]

About, I say, please don't do that to us, Gunter. I know you already broke our hearts once, but you know what? Gunter enjoyed doing that.

[Sam Roberts]

He really did. He's taking it up as a sport. Look, it's not too late, by the way, to say thank you, Cena. You know, we're still celebrating John Cena. John's Cena's final match. It's come to a close. You heard the WWE Universe loud and clear. Megan and I were out on the floor saying it right with him. Thank you, Cena. Now you can honor one of the greatest of all time with the thank you Cena collection that is available at WWE Shop and Fanatics. Brand new shirts, brand new everything, sporting the new last time is now stuff. Thank you Cena stuff. Commemorating a bunch of different moments in his career. Really cool merch. You can also get the new Mattel John Cena ultimate figure. You can commemorate John Cena's final match. You better believe I've already pre ordered multiple but you can commemorate John Cena's final match and an incredible career with this brand new John Cena ultimate edition Mattel figure featuring his final match ring gear. This collectible is a must have for any WWE fan or collector. You can go to WWE Shop, you can go to Fanatics and you can reserve yours today. See, look at that. It's got the soft goods. DC last time is now T shirt. Comes with multiple heads, comes with the towel, comes with the hat.

[Megan Morant]

I'm getting into the feed game, so I think I might have to get this one.

[Sam Roberts]

You need this one. And then of course, one last time for the champ. You can honor John Cena's legendary one with the brand new John Cena Funko Pop. Capturing his iconic final match look. From unforgettable moments to a career that defined an era. This collectible belongs on every fan shelf. Reserve yours now by heading to WWE shop and fanatics. So thank you to John Cena as we look into the future. A couple of great moments that we saw on Monday Night Raw tonight. Of course, we brought her up earlier. Maxine defend us the continental title.

[Megan Morant]

Yep.

[Sam Roberts]

And you gotta admit, there is a difference in Maxine now that she's been training with Natty.

[Megan Morant]

There's no question the leg lock intensity of Maxine as well. I mean, listen, she's the champ now. She's the champ. And this is.

[Sam Roberts]

Wait till Becky hears you say that. So you like that she got her side plates? She's the champ. You said champs have side plates.

[Megan Morant]

Well, for now. Until this. This legal. You're so not the legal settlement.

[Sam Roberts]

You're not settlement remotely committed like you used to be. You know, it's a sham and a fraud, and you're just. You're trying to hang in there.

[Megan Morant]

It's really hard because I do genuinely like Maxine a lot.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes. It's on the record. You're done.

[Megan Morant]

Becky's lawyers are going to come after me now.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, yeah, I think. I think some of the heat's finally off me. Look at Maxine coming in there aggressive.

[Megan Morant]

This is what you do. This is why she calls you scam robbers. Because now you're getting me to fall into your little trap once again. You're like, oh, we could be talking about a huge announcement that was made on Monday Night Raw, the fact that Iyo sky and Rhea Ripley are gonna take on the Kabuki warriors on January 5th. But, no, I'm gonna dedicate some time to talk about Maxine Dupree to get Megan into an awkward predicament so she can say things that aren't supporting Becky lynch, even though she's the number one Becky believer. So then I can clip it and get Becky's lawyers to come after her. That's what you're doing to me. And that's why they call you Scam Roberts.

[Sam Roberts]

You know, that was my original name for the podcast. Awkward Predicament.

[Megan Morant]

That was it.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't think most of what you said is true, but I respect it.

[Megan Morant]

I think it's all true.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, well, I think. I think.

[Megan Morant]

Anything else to add about this match?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. I thought she was way more aggressive. I thought she was using. She got these long legs. I thought she was using those effectively. I thought. I mean, imagine she beat Becky lynch before. Imagine how badly she'd beat her now. That's what I kept thinking. Like, oh, my gosh, Becky doesn't have.

[Megan Morant]

Becky's sitting at home shaking in her boots. No, she's fighting the legal system.

[Sam Roberts]

You mean she's lying about being in the sauna and going to meet with.

[Megan Morant]

Lawyers for longer than anybody's ever been in the sauna?

[Sam Roberts]

I tell you what. The Fanatics 1 Icon Series is unveiling its next experience featuring the legendary Mr. Beast. Speaking of legends, how about Mr. Beast?

[Megan Morant]

Changing the topic.

[Sam Roberts]

I want to talk about Mr. Beast a little bit. The legendary Mr. Beast. It's a once in a lifetime Icon Series opportunity that's going to send one lucky fan and a guest to Los Angeles as Mr. Beast's special guest at the Beast Game Season 2 VIP screening event, complete with exclusive access. I've heard that one new Mr. Beast challenge is going to be. I'll give you $50,000 if you can sit in a room with Megan Morant for more than 30 minutes listening to her talk about Becky Lynch. Fans can enter for the Icon series experience with Mr. Beast in the Fanatics app. This opportunity is open now and closes December 22nd. Entries into the sweepstakes are converted for $1 of fan cash. Up to 10 entries per person. No purchase necessary. Very exciting times. Very, very exciting times. How about Nikki Bella? How about her ruining the women. Women's World championship match ending in a dq, Interfering, getting all up in Stephanie Vacaire's face, stomping her out.

[Megan Morant]

People aren't respecting the legend.

[Sam Roberts]

That's what she says. People are not respecting the legend. She believes. And she made that clear, interrupting the interview, going right up to Jackie Redmond, making sure that everybody knows. And listen, there is a thing, right? At a point, we were all talking about Nikki Bell and going, gee, golly.

[Megan Morant]

Gosh, I hope she can fit in.

[Sam Roberts]

That's it.

[Megan Morant]

These new women. And she goes, fit in. I'm a hall of famer, right? I don't fit in. You need to level up, right?

[Sam Roberts]

That. Yes, Megan, yes.

[Megan Morant]

I'm all fired up because you're scamming me into saying the wrong things and now I'm fired up.

[Sam Roberts]

The tapes don't lie. And I'm not scamming you into anything.

[Megan Morant]

You're like, so how about Maxine?

[Sam Roberts]

What?

[Megan Morant]

Do you have anything to say about how good she looks?

[Sam Roberts]

It's not what I sound like.

[Megan Morant]

It's exactly what you sound like.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, well, the guys in the booth think it's a bad impression.

[Megan Morant]

Well, Nikki Bella, I mean, she made a statement and said that everybody.

[Jackie Redmond]

That was the chair.

[Megan Morant]

That was the chair. I'm wearing leather pants.

[Sam Roberts]

That wasn't the Chair.

[Megan Morant]

I'm wearing leather pants.

[Sam Roberts]

There's a sound. I hope that picked up on Mike, because that was not the chair I.

[Megan Morant]

Was to go cross my legs in. The leather pants made a sound.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't think so. I don't think so. They're going to boost the audio in post. That was embarrassing. That was. That was really embarrassing. They're working on the replay right now.

[Jackie Redmond]

Scamming me again.

[Megan Morant]

I'm letting you be out to get me.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm not out to get you.

[Megan Morant]

You are me for being a Becky believer the whole second half of this podcast. You know, you're just attacking me the whole second half. Yes. Jackie was here. We're all having a good time, right? Soon as she leaves. Oh, let's get Megan.

[Sam Roberts]

That's what I said.

[Megan Morant]

Get her.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. I mean, feels like you might have a victim mentality, but Nikki Bella, you are 100% right. As I said before, whatever happened, happened. You are 100% right. That Nikki Bella has, I think, gotten to a place where she's like, why do I need to show up and prove that I can fit in with this crop? When in reality I said crop. I started thinking of crop dusting. When in reality they need to be able to fit in with me. She is the hall of Famer, and I do think that fans have been sitting there, like, you know, fans have even had this thing where it's been like, no, she's got to prove it to me. She's got to prove it to me. Why?

[Megan Morant]

What do I have to prove?

[Sam Roberts]

She's done it all.

[Megan Morant]

Literally all of it.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Built the women's division, put the women on the pedestal that they're on now.

[Sam Roberts]

She is a key piece in transitioning the Divas division into the women's division. That's completely undeniable. When you talk about somebody that's main evented shows when you talk about somebody that. I mean, at a time where women were not looked at as potentially some of the biggest stars in the company, Nikki Bella is one of the people that kind of broke that mold. And I think that I, I, I, I like, I like the attitude, and I like that. That, that Stephanie Vicar is going to have to prove that she deserves that title.

[Megan Morant]

I do too, you know? Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

I think that's the way champions should roll. Um, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm also looking forward to Monday Night Raw next week. We got a taste of some of the matches that we're going to get next week. I also hope that we get some answers from Austin Theory.

[Megan Morant]

How about Liv Morgan going back to tag team with Roxanne Perez? So selfless.

[Sam Roberts]

Trying to selfless.

[Megan Morant]

Gold to the judgment day and bring.

[Sam Roberts]

It all back the way the family was always supposed to be. We'll see how it goes down. Of course, we will be here with you next week right after Monday Night Raw. Make sure you're subscribed to the podcast across all audio platforms, leaving comments and likes on YouTube. We appreciate you, you guys. Sorry about Megan.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, stop.

[Sam Roberts]

And we will see you next week here on the Raw recap.