Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins SIGN for SummerSlam!

Summary

WWE Now: Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins SIGN for SummerSlam! (July 14, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode of WWE Now, hosts Sam Roberts and Megan Morant deliver a passionate, in-depth recap of a pivotal episode of Monday Night Raw, spotlighting the highly anticipated contract signing between Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins ahead of SummerSlam. They break down the psychological warfare between the two icons, analyze the Obafemi vs. Brock Lesnar storyline, dig into shifting alliances, and set up major upcoming matches for SummerSlam and Saturday Night’s Main Event.

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Main Segments & Key Insights

1. Roman Reigns & Seth Rollins: A Contract Signing With Real Bite

Timestamps: 02:35 – 21:00

Setting the Scene

• Sam and Megan revel in the intensity and history of the Rollins-Reigns dynamic.
• The signing almost played out as “just business,” but predictably took a dramatic turn.

Psychological Mind Games

• Seth Rollins exuded confidence: feet on the table, calm demeanor.
• Roman Reigns held his own — “No one has ever looked cooler in their life than Roman Reigns.” (Megan, 03:33)
• Seth’s big mental edge: “Roman has never beaten him.” (Sam, 04:46)
• Roman’s mission: end any perceived weaknesses, notably that Seth stands as one major stone he hasn’t overturned in his epic reign.

Notable Quotes

• “Roman is disproving any sort of little chink in the Roman Reigns armor, any criticism that's followed him over the course of the last five or six years.”
  — Sam Roberts (05:08)
• “Roman Reigns goes, I don’t want to fight you. I NEED to beat you. And Seth Rollins knows that.”
  — Sam Roberts (05:00)
• “This version of Roman Reigns has to beat this guy.”
  — Megan Morant (06:19)

Hater Accusations & Mind Games

• The ‘number one hater’ taunt echoed throughout the segment – audience chant and on commentary
• Megan jokes about knowing the feeling, as Sam frequently accuses her of hater-dom (07:01)
• Seth walks away from the table, “confident...knowing that it would really bother Roman Reigns...” (Sam, 08:28)

Deep Dive into History

• Rollins is the rare rival who knows Reigns’ unvarnished self from their early days (“guy he met in FCW” – Megan, 08:48)
• Rollins’ resentment: belief that Roman was handed opportunities
• “Just because someone opens the door doesn't mean you can take credit for everything they've done once they've walked through the door.”
  — Megan Morant (10:45)
• Megan and Sam discuss the difference between doing the work (“work is the reward” for Seth; “Roman is in the Roman Reigns business”)
  — 17:01

Savage Personal Digs

• Roman attacks Seth’s injury record: “What are you gonna do? Win the title and have to give it up cause you’re hurt? And it’s like, oh, come on. That’s real life, dog.”
  — Sam Roberts (13:02)
• Rehashing Rollins’ Money in the Bank moments, suggesting he always gets titles through luck or chance, not grit
  — 13:44–14:09

Physical Escalation

• After the war of words, Rollins delivers a Pedigree to Reigns and leaves him face-planted: “Roman Reigns is the one that ended up with his face planted into the mat. So who’s to say that Roman Reigns did the right thing? Who’s to say that Roman Reigns didn’t just light a fire under Seth Rollins?”
  — Sam Roberts (17:36–18:31)

Stakes for SummerSlam

• “This is it... I don’t know if they’ll ever have a match for the world title again. One will walk out number one, the other won’t.”
  — Sam Roberts (19:43)
• Raises question for both: What’s next if they lose?
  — 20:10–20:50

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2. Obafemi vs. Brock Lesnar: Law, Mayhem, & Hell in a Cell

Timestamps: 25:18 – 38:00

Heyman, Lesnar, & the Dallas PD

• Brock Lesnar opens Raw surrounded by Dallas police (25:54)
• Paul Heyman frames Obafemi as a “Clinger #9” and “the biggest dummy” for giving up a title match vs. choosing Brock Lesnar.
• Heyman’s taunts get comically juvenile before admitting the real fear: Obafemi’s intensity.

Obafemi’s Dominance & Lesnar’s Psychology

• Obafemi tosses police officers around the ring, making clear he can’t be restrained
• Megan: “I’m not sure these five officers knew exactly what they were getting into tonight.” (31:59)
• Brock grins at the carnage—a sign he might be relishing Obafemi’s aggression rather than fearing it

Hell in a Cell Stakes

• The drama is framed as irreversible for both men; whoever loses may never be the same
  • “Neither...regardless of outcome, come out differently than they walked in. And that’s a very, very exciting thing.”
    — Sam Roberts (38:51)
• Is Brock really scared or simply calculating? “I don’t buy that coward thing at all.”
  — Sam Roberts (34:34)

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3. Alpha Academy, Vision, and the Maxine Betrayal

Timestamps: 42:58 – 51:20

Maxine’s Heel Turn?

• Maxine manipulates Otis in a dramatic confrontation, setting up a low blow from Theory.
• Megan: “She was going to plant one on Otis, just set him up so that theory could deliver the low blow. And then she laughed in his face.”
  — (43:17)
• Heated debate on whether Maxine is “evil” or merely moving on (“never celebrate love,” Sam jests at Megan, 45:18)

Vision & Paul Heyman Tension

• Paul Heyman offers backhanded praise then asks, “what do you need me for?” (49:46)
• Sam and Megan speculate on Heyman’s possible end game with Vision

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4. Bloodline and New Alliances

Timestamps: 53:23 – 58:58

L.A. Knight & Solo Sikoa: Unlikely Allies

• L.A. Knight joins forces with Solo Sikoa against The Bloodline (53:43)
• Solo’s “Red Suit” moment: dramatically stands up to Jacob Fatu and Jimmy Uso, spikes Jimmy, then teams with LA Knight (54:51)
• “I feel like that in the months that this version of the bloodline is kind of formed, a certain chemistry has developed, at least between Jimmy and Jacob.”
  — Sam Roberts (55:53)
• Discussion of inter-family dynamics: Jacob vs. Jay, Solo’s loyalty, and Royce Keys’ blood ties to the Anoa’i family

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5. Raw Gauntlet Match: Road to SummerSlam

Timestamps: 59:04 – 63:54

Detailed Match Recap

• Gauntlet starts with Dominik Mysterio, who gets “swerve” booking, with interference and distractions galore.
• Danhausen curses the wrong turnbuckle—“He curses the wrong quarter post...he mutters a profanity to himself.”
  — Sam Roberts (61:20)
• Javon Evans outlasts Dragon Lee in a barnburner (62:23)
• Rusev defeats Evans, Gable rolls up Rusev and withstands his post-match wrath, survives Ethan Page to secure the spot

SummerSlam is Set

• Chad Gable vs. Penta for the Intercontinental Championship in Minnesota—“his [Gable's] chance to win his first singles title...and to do it at this point in his career in Minnesota.”
  — Sam Roberts (63:40)

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6. Saturday Night’s Main Event Lineup & Women’s Division

Timestamps: 64:49 – End

Card Announcements

• Sami Zayn & Gunther vs. Cody Rhodes & CM Punk (65:31)
• Roman Reigns, with Knicks star Jalen Brunson, appearing at MSG (65:55)
• JD McDonagh vs. Danhausen becomes No DQ after the shenanigans (63:56)
• Women’s Tag Titles: Paige & Brie Bella vs. Fatal Influence
• Bayley vs. Lyra Valkyria (66:35), after a heated “doormat” insult spat—“Said she was the worst of the four horsewomen.”
  — Megan Morant (66:37)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Sam (03:54): “Usually I find when people try to act like that with Roman Reigns, you can tell…they’re trying to survive in the shadow of the tribal chief. But...I do believe Seth Rollins [really] has that confidence.”
• Megan (17:01): “For Seth Rollins, it’s never been about the money. The money wasn’t the reward, the work is the reward.”
• Sam (17:36): “Roman did more damage tonight than Seth...But Roman is the one who ended up with a boot print on the back of his head.”
• Megan (31:59): “I’m not sure these five officers knew exactly what they were getting into tonight.”
• Sam (38:51): “Neither [Brock nor Obafemi], regardless of outcome, come out differently than they walked in.”

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Episode Flow & Tone

Sam and Megan bring their signature banter, mixing insight, storyline analysis, and playful jabs (particularly about “hater” status), while never losing sight of the stakes in WWE’s top stories. Their affection and deep knowledge for the product make complex angles clear and accessible, with Megan acting as the fans’ voice and Sam driving deeper narrative theory.

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For Listeners Who Missed It...

This WWE Now episode is your comprehensive pass to understanding Raw’s major twists:

• The Reigns-Rollins rivalry is reaching its psychological and physical climax.
• Obafemi, positioned as WWE’s newest unstoppable force, is about to step into the ultimate proving ground against Brock Lesnar.
• Betrayals, shifting alliances, and character reinventions are everywhere as SummerSlam approaches.
• The Bloodline remains the soap opera of WWE, with new grudges and potential fractures.
• The collision of past and present (Bayley/Lyra, Gable’s homecoming, Danhausen vs. The Judgment Day) primes Saturday and SummerSlam for seismic moments.

If you care about WWE’s characters and stories, this episode lays out where every major player stands heading into two spectacular events.

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Transcript

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[Megan Morant]

I love a good contract signing, don't you?

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, it's the best. It's the best in the afterglow of a contract signing and it really was. So what made Tonight's contract signing between Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns. So unique is that it was almost just a contract signing. Almost that what? Like there. There is. When you go through all the paths of what's possible, there is a version of the events tonight that simply end with a contract being signed and Adam Pierce taking the contract and going, well, thank you, gentlemen, and thank you for acting like gentlemen.

[Megan Morant]

Both men put pen to paper.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right.

[Megan Morant]

Go forward.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right, you say. I mean, look, was there a tiny bit of hostility? Maybe. But things are said sometimes at the negotiating table. But ultimately no one was hurt. It was almost. It felt like a contract signing at the beginning where it's like, well, I mean, I guess this was advertised as a contract signing, but it hardly even seems worth televising.

[Megan Morant]

I did love at the beginning how Seth Rollins feet were up on the table and he's looking calm, cool and collected. But then you look across the table and there's Roman Reigns. And almost no one has ever looked cooler and in their life than Roman Reigns. And you're just thinking of all of the history between these two. Right there. You see it.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. And. But. But the thing about it is, usually I find when people try to act like that with Roman Reigns, you can tell how they're feigning. You can tell how they want to give off being cooler than the other side of the pillow when in reality they're. They're trying to survive in the shadow of the tribal chief. But to me, I don't know Seth Rollins. I do believe that Seth Rollins takes this. This. This little bit of. I don't know if it's. If it's where he draws confidence from. It's this little thing inside of him where he knows that the thing that he's got is that Roman Reigns has never beat him. Roman Reigns two weeks ago said, which

[Megan Morant]

isn't really a little thing, it's a

[Sam Roberts]

huge thing, but it's right here. And he knows he's the only one that's got it. It's like when Smeagol has that ring in the Lord of the Rings. It's his precious is what it is. That's right. That's right. And I think that he allows that to give him a certain amount of control. Two weeks ago, Roman Reigns goes, I don't want to fight you. I don't want to beat you. I need to beat you. And Seth Rollins knows that Roman is the one that needs to beat him because it hasn't been done before. And I do feel like I don't think Roman Reigns would necessarily admit this. I don't think that it's. It's, it's. It's in Roman Reigns to do something like that. But I do think that this year for Roman Reigns and what makes this title reign different than the previous one is that Roman Reigns is not only using this to show the whole world that he's still, as he said many times tonight, the number one person. But as we've pointed out here, and as you've pointed out, he is disproving any sort of little chink in the Roman Reigns armor, any little criticism that has followed him over the course of the last five or six years.

[Megan Morant]

You mean how he can't do it without his family?

[Sam Roberts]

Exactly. Right.

[Megan Morant]

How he doesn't show up to work.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

He's done both of those things.

[Sam Roberts]

And I think that that's such a big part of this, and that's why it's so important now more than ever that Roman Reigns gets that victory against

[Megan Morant]

Seth Rollins, because then no one can say, well, Rollins still has one on you.

[Sam Roberts]

You haven't beat this guy. And he's like, no, this version of Roman Reigns has to beat this guy. Now, did you. When. When. When Roman pointed out that he believes that the only thing is that Seth Rollins is number one at is being the tribal chief's number one hater. As someone who is kind of not necessarily towards the tribal chief, but in that club, did you go like, oh, I mean, that's still an accomplishment.

[Megan Morant]

I said, well, it's a good day to be me, because I'm not number one at that, you know?

[Sam Roberts]

No, no, no, no, no. But just being a hater.

[Megan Morant]

I'm not a hater. I'm not a hater, Sam.

[Commercial Announcer]

Oh, wow.

[Megan Morant]

I am not a hater at all. No, not a hater. No.

[Sam Roberts]

Have you heard the podcast?

[Megan Morant]

You claim that I am a hater, but it is false claims. It's actually defamation. A lot of people are saying that.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, really?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

I haven't received not a cease nor a desist.

[Megan Morant]

Well, you better stay tuned because those are headed your way. No, but actually, when everybody started chanting that Seth was a hater, I. I did. I knew what that felt like because it's done to me all the time by you. So I sort of empathize with Seth Rollins in that moment when they were all calling him a hater.

[Sam Roberts]

But I also, Sam Roberts, you know,

[Megan Morant]

it's a cool, cool throne for me because I can no longer be told that I'm the number one Hater. It's Seth. And Roman said it's Seth. So that means it is.

[Sam Roberts]

I would follow the tribal chiefs lead on a lot of this stuff, including that, I suppose. But I didn't realize how thematic that was going to be for this segment when he said that's the only thing that you're number one at because Roman Reigns and maybe this Seth left the ring. He walked out of that ring confidently. He walked out knowing that it would really bother Roman Reigns that, like, I don't need to be in this spotlight with you because I think that that happens, right? Roman Reigns, the top star in the industry. And I think that there is a thing where no matter how big you are to share the ring with Roman Reigns, you, you, you want to have a moment. You want to get one over on him. You want to at least just like exist in this glow and take advantage of this spotlight being on you and

[Megan Morant]

step up to the plate.

[Sam Roberts]

But I don't think that's how Seth Rollins looks at Roman Reigns. I think that Seth Rollins knows Roman Reigns too well. I don't think that Seth Rollins looks at this Roman Reigns and sees the OTC and sees the biggest star in the industry and sees this guy. I think Seth Rollins still, and he's the only one.

[Megan Morant]

He sees the guy he met in fcw.

[Sam Roberts]

Seth Rollins knows the guy who is sitting in that locker room. Yes. Coming right off of developmental and saying, well, who's, who's the, who's the big guy here? Who are we going to take out? Seth Rollins knows the guy who is back there plotting and planning with Seth on how do we take this? How do we take this company? How do we take this industry for

[Megan Morant]

ourselves to create the greatest generation.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. This is, this is, I think, what Seth Rollins sees when he sees Roman Reigns. And that's why Seth Rollins can ultimately grab hold of that power of going once again, Seth leaving that ring. Is Seth saying, I don't need you, you need me. I want my title back. Don't get it. Don't get that mistaken, but this is a unique spot for Roman to be in. I think Seth Rollins is trying to take advantage of that by saying, I don't need you. I think that's the mind game that I read into watching those two go back and forth. The mind game that I read was that the attempt for Seth Rollins was to push Roman in a way that nobody else can really do it, which is saying, I know who you are and I don't need you. You need me.

[Megan Morant]

And Seth believes I Think that Roman is the guy who at one point couldn't wrestle his way out of a paper bag.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I mean, look, at one point, I don't know. But it doesn't matter if that was at one point because that's not now.

[Megan Morant]

No, it's not.

[Sam Roberts]

And that's the other thing. Seth Rollins is hung up on that, but Seth Rollins is hung up on. And you heard him, can't let go

[Megan Morant]

of it because he is the number one hater.

[Sam Roberts]

You heard him tonight, right? He said, you know, when Roman was pointing out Seth's shortcomings, I think that Ro. Seth still has this thing that he resents Roman because he thinks that Roman was handed opportunities that Seth feels like he deserved. But the fact. And that's been something that people have said about Roman Reigns for a long

[Megan Morant]

time, and you've talked about this a lot. Just because someone opens the door doesn't mean you could take credit for everything that they've done once they've walked through the door.

[Sam Roberts]

There are many people. That's right. Who have the door open for them that get in the room and they build nothing. The room looks exactly the same whether they were in that room or not. When somebody has the door open for them and they go, hey, now it's your time to take this room. It's up to them to take that room.

[Megan Morant]

And I think Roman's done a pretty good job at taking it.

[Sam Roberts]

Nobody could do it like Roman. Yeah, you know how I know nobody could do it like Roman? Cause if they could do it like Roman, they'd do it like Roman.

[Megan Morant]

WWE's on Netflix.

[Sam Roberts]

Roman would say that that's because of him. I would say that that'd be tough to argue. Look, I think that Roman goes, okay, so Roman sitting there, right? And he's left in the ring and Seth walks out on him. And Roman doesn't like that. So he goes, how am I going to get under Seth Rollins skin here? How am I going to make it hurt? This hurts me. I feel hurt in my heart, and I don't like that. I think that's what Roman is thinking.

[Megan Morant]

Well, and then he starts to. To really go there, and he brings up like, whoa, what, are you just gonna take your title back and then get hurt because you can't handle the pressure?

[Sam Roberts]

See, that's a ballsy thing that Roman has done multiple times with people. He did it with Jacob as well. He goes, what if you do beat me? You know what I mean? Like Roman. Roman will put himself on this platform where it's like, you don't understand. Like, the me as an individual me is so much greater being me. Like, you can't beat me. But even worse for you would be if you did, because you can't do this, you'd never live up to it.

[Megan Morant]

You would succumb to all of the pressure that comes with this.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. That's right. Like, the idea and that psychological thing, the idea of convincing somebody that as much as you don't want to lose, oh, you wouldn't do well winning because

[Megan Morant]

you can't handle being the top guy around here. You don't even understand what being the top guy around here entails.

[Sam Roberts]

And if you're weak mentally, which I'm not saying Seth is. I'm not saying this even works on Seth, but it does work on some people. And if you're weak mentally, you're going, oh, my God, maybe am I in too deep?

[Megan Morant]

Maybe I haven't even thought about those things.

[Sam Roberts]

You're right.

[Megan Morant]

Maybe I haven't thought of all that comes with being the world heavyweight champion. Maybe I haven't thought of all that comes with being the guy.

[Sam Roberts]

But Roman makes it personal when he goes, I mean, best case scenario, what are you gonna do? Win the title and have to give it up? Cause you're hurt? And it's like, oh, come on. That's real life, dog.

[Megan Morant]

He calls it self sabotage.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right?

[Sam Roberts]

As in, like, it's almost like, look, I know injuries happen, but, like, yours

[Megan Morant]

happened kind of a lot.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

People are starting to wonder.

[Sam Roberts]

You think that's you. You think it's because you can't handle the pressure?

[Megan Morant]

I mean, once, maybe a coincidence, right? Couple times. Which it's like, I mean, you talk trend is developing.

[Sam Roberts]

He loves getting in people's heads. That Roman reigns loves getting in people's heads.

[Megan Morant]

It was that moment. And then when he brought up the money in the bank contract, where I

[Sam Roberts]

went, oh, right, right where he goes. You're still cashing in money in the bank briefcases.

[Megan Morant]

We did that at 31. You're doing it again. SummerSlam.

[Sam Roberts]

It's like, come on, Roman. Come on. Money in the bank is cool, dude.

[Megan Morant]

I was like, I loved both of those cash ins. Why do you have to go there?

[Sam Roberts]

You had to take an injury to get a title. I was like, oh, you just took. I mean, that's been a cool thing. That's been. Well, like, the ruse of the century. That's been like a cool thing. They did a Netflix.

[Megan Morant]

They literally had great.

[Sam Roberts]

They did a Netflix docu series about it. It was so cool.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, Seth and Becky's daughter spoiled the news to the teacher.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. And that teacher had to learn to keep her lips shut.

[Megan Morant]

She had to learn about kayfabe.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. But then, like, Roman's like, yeah, that's not cool. I just win matches. What are you doing? And it's like, oh, man, why'd you have to take that away from me? Why'd you do that?

[Megan Morant]

And then when Roman brings up, they gave you everything. All of my stuff. Right? And I was like, oh, shoot. Paul Heyman, you know, they gave him all of it. And Seth still got hurt.

[Sam Roberts]

He did. He did. He said, you're number two. I'm number one. Just acknowledge it. And then he used a B word. He said, your work daddy is running this place.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And you're still number two.

[Megan Morant]

And it was kind of weird because then Seth hit the pedigree.

[Sam Roberts]

That's Seth's move. Now, that Seth's move now. That's not weird. That's Seth's move. Here's the thing. Seth Rollins said that he's glad he's not Roman Reigns. I don't know that I believe that.

[Megan Morant]

I don't think anybody can honestly say with a straight face that they're glad they're not Roman Reigns.

[Sam Roberts]

But I do think that Seth Rollins takes pride in the journey that he's been on. And I do think that Seth Rollins is a guy who is Roman Reigns, as much as he's in the pro wrestling business, is in the Roman Reigns business. You don't hear Roman Reigns talking about protecting the industry for the sake of the industry. You hear Roman Reigns talking about protecting the industry for the sake of his family. When Seth Rollins talks, he's one of the guys in the conversations that comes up of like, who's that next guy that's gonna work behind the scenes? Who's that next guy that's gonna work with young talent? Who's that next guy that you'll see, you know, 20 years from now in a writer's room on Unreal. Who's that? Who's. Who's that guy that. That's going to do, by the way, what Triple H did all those years ago when he was injured and said, hey, while I'm injured, can I learn the entire business?

[Megan Morant]

Hey, even go back to when Roman and Seth first confronted face to face just a couple of weeks ago, and Seth was talking about how they created the greatest generation. And look around WWE right now, and that's happening. This could be one of the last Times they have the opportunity to dance.

[Sam Roberts]

And I think. I think Seth was very truthful when he says, we're running two separate races. I think Seth looks at his

[Megan Morant]

world

[Sam Roberts]

in professional wrestling, and I think that this goes with his original idea, which was this idea that Seth is a guy who came in as a kid who had a dream to be the biggest star in professional wrestling. And I think when that's how you come in, there's that part of you that never wants to leave the world of professional wrestling. I think that's why Cody Rhodes approaches things in a certain way. I think that's why CM Punk approaches things in a certain way. And I think that's why Seth Rollins approaches things in a certain way.

[Megan Morant]

And that's why for Seth Rollins, it's never been about the money. The money wasn't the reward. The work is the reward.

[Sam Roberts]

He wasn't doing it for free, though.

[Megan Morant]

No, come on.

[Sam Roberts]

Look, he's got. He's got. He's got kid to free, of course,

[Megan Morant]

but last week when he was talking about that, for him, the work is the reward. I feel like that is. That holds true to everything we're just been saying about Seth Rollins.

[Sam Roberts]

Unless he's still just playing mind games. Unless he's trying to come back. Look, I thought that ultimately in the war of words, Roman did more damage tonight than Seth.

[Megan Morant]

I agree with that.

[Sam Roberts]

I thought that Roman going, you're number two, I'm number one. It's always going to be that way. Is that's the real, like, big brother, little brother, hurtful, you know, listen, you're awesome, but I'm the man. And it's always going to be that way. And no matter what you do, that'll never change. And that does kind of strip Seth's power away. When Seth is over here going, you know, you've never beaten me. You need me. I mean, just putting it out there like that because, you know, that's the insecurity that Seth Rollins has. But look, Roman Reigns is the one that ended up with his face planted into the mat. Roman Reigns is the one that ended up with a boot print on the back of his head. So who's to say that Roman Reigns did the right thing? Who's to say that Roman Reigns didn't just light a fire under Seth Rollins?

[Megan Morant]

I think he did light a fire under Seth Rollins. I mean, you heard Rollins, even before the physicality took place, saying, is that all you got, Roman? What else. What else are you gonna say?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but then Roman had more. He's like, okay, I'll say some more then. I'll say.

[Megan Morant]

I'll say what everybody else is thinking.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, you know, it's so interesting going back and like there is so much history and watching kind of the, the history videos that they were playing throughout Monday night. Shield and seeing the Shield. And I'm sure that, you know, as they were saying on commentary, there'll be more of that story playing out over the course because I think that, you know, while we have seen Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns before, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns are at that point where they are top guys now. But like, this is it, I think for Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, I'm not saying they'll never ever have a match again, but I don't know if they'll ever have a match in a stadium again. I don't know if they'll ever have a match for the world title again. I don't know if they'll ever have a match where it's like, no one of us is going to be number one and, and one of his. One of us is going to be number two. And the way that's set up, it makes it difficult for me because that's what I always think about. Like, not only is it a question of who's going to win the match, but what's next for the person who doesn't. And I think that Seth and Roman are in this spot right now where it's all on the line. And as assuming there's a clean finish, somebody walks out of that stadium in Minnesota saying, that's number one, it's not me. There's one number one and I'm not that guy.

[Megan Morant]

And for Roman, if he can't get past Seth Rollins, that's it. Something that everybody forever will have on Roman. But for Seth, if he can't get back the World Heavyweight title that he never lost and if he's unable to say, well, I'm Roman's kryptonite, what's next for Rollins?

[Sam Roberts]

Well, Seth Rollins also has always defined himself by that World Heavyweight Championship, always.

[Megan Morant]

And so, I mean, he held that iteration.

[Sam Roberts]

Inaugural champion. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see if he can't get it from Roman, what would happen. But if he does get it from Roman again, what. What is Roman then go and do? Is that it?

[Megan Morant]

And what. Where does that leave the bloodline?

[Sam Roberts]

Right, right. Well, we'll get into the bloodline. As a matter of fact, I don't know if you've seen this. Speaking of the bloodline, have you Seen my new jersey?

[Megan Morant]

I haven't pull that baby out.

[Sam Roberts]

Look at this, look at this. My new jersey. Big Jim ooze. Oh one. We found out what Big Jim is going to do at SummerSlam tonight on Raw. But I got my big gym jersey thanks to Pro Sphere. You know, I've been cheering since the Attitude era, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm across the board on this. That's why I love Pro Sphere. They have styles from everything with. Whether you've been cheering since the Attitude era or you're counting down to the next ple I might roll up to Madison Square Garden with my Big Jim USO jersey on so that people can know exactly where I stand representing this universe in style.

[Megan Morant]

I'm definitely going to roll up to Madison Square Garden in my fearless Nikki Bella jersey. I love it right here that I got at Prosford because Prosphere Prosper Prosperity. Prosper because. From legendary icons like Nikki Bella and current fan favorites to the next generation of WWE Superstars, Pro Sphere offers an ever growing collection of officially licensed apparel. Inspired by the biggest names and moments in wwe. Commemorate unforgettable events, celebrate championship moments and keep coming back for fresh new designs and products.

[Sam Roberts]

Look at all the colors on this Danhausen shirt. This is not a wall tapestry. It's a Pro Sphere shirt. I might roll up to the Garden wearing my Danhausen. Maybe I'll roll into Fanatics wearing that Danhausen shirt. You better, you know, try to avoid getting cursed. Danhausen won't miss it. Cause it's so bright. It's got so many colors. It's all over. There's teeth everywhere. You don't want to just wear fan gear. You want to make a statement. Head over to Fanatics now and shop the full Pro Sphere collection today. New superstars, new events, new designs, they're arriving year round. There's always a new way to represent the WWE Universe. Pro Sphere on Fanatics is gear built for every member of the WWE Universe.

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[Megan Morant]

Danhausen might curse you if you didn't pay human monies for that shirt.

[Sam Roberts]

I paid many human monies for that shirt. More than they even asked. I said, keep the change. Okay? I said. I said, keep the change. Add it to the Danhausen royalty, like the tip cup at Starbucks. I said, that's for Dan. They said, dan who? I said, how's it? Okay.

[Megan Morant]

You're such a suck up.

[Sam Roberts]

No, no, no, no, no. I just think that. That he's. He deserves it. He deserves it. And we got something that I don't know if we deserve or not. Brock Lesnar starting off Monday night raw in Dallas, Texas, where Brock Lesnar's cowboy hat. Just a hat. They just call that a hat in Dallas, Texas, but Brock comes through everywhere else.

[Megan Morant]

Like, a baseball cap is your traditional hat, but in Texas, the cowboy.

[Sam Roberts]

Cowboy hat. It's like, what's he wearing? That's a hat. Just a hat.

[Megan Morant]

Nothing special about it. Just a normal hat, traditional hat, what

[Sam Roberts]

you put on your head. Brock Lesnar comes out with Paul Heyman, but he's surrounded by police.

[Megan Morant]

Five of them.

[Sam Roberts]

And you're going, what is Brock Lesnar doing out here surrounded by police? It's an odd look for Brock Lesnar.

[Megan Morant]

Dallas pd, baby.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. And Paul Heyman makes it clear that the police are out here because Obafemi is obsessed with Brock Lesnar. He says Oba Femi gave up his opportunity at a title match at SummerSlam to face Brock Lesnar. And, you know, there were a lot of fans after it happened, initially right after the King of the Ring tournament. And. And that is a narrative that has continued that have questioned why would Obafemi give up his title match at SummerSlam to face Brock Lesnar? And that's something that Paul Heyman explored in the opening segment of Monday Night Raw. And Paul Heyman said that it's because Obafemi is a stalker. Is a. Is a. Is a. Is a Clinger.

[Megan Morant]

Clinger number nine is what he said.

[Sam Roberts]

Clinger number nine.

[Megan Morant]

What's the difference between number nine and. I don't know, say, number ten.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't think it goes as high as ten.

[Megan Morant]

Okay. Is there Clinger number eight?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but it's not as big as climber Clinger number nine.

[Megan Morant]

Okay.

[Sam Roberts]

Not. Not as big a deal. And a really, really, really, really, really big dummy.

[Megan Morant]

The biggest dummy he's ever met in his entire life, I think, is what Paul Heyman said, which is starting.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, it gets to the point where it starts to feel juvenile. You know, that feels like, you know, what you're. What your. What your kids say to each other.

[Commercial Announcer]

The.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, you're the biggest dummy I've ever met in my life. Like to say that about Obafemi, you better have a police force and the beast right next to you, because I saw Paul Heyman in the ring with Obafemi last week, and he wasn't calling anybody a big dummy.

[Megan Morant]

Definitely not.

[Sam Roberts]

That's for sure.

[Megan Morant]

Also, Brock wearing the shirt talk, you know, what, get hit.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, that's his new thing.

[Megan Morant]

I like the shirt.

[Sam Roberts]

It's a good shirt.

[Megan Morant]

It is.

[Sam Roberts]

It's a good shirt. And there's precedents to it. We know it seems to be true. So Heyman is. Is, you know, I mean, Heyman also

[Megan Morant]

said that Obafemi was like, a psycho ex girlfriend coming after Brock.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

Do you have any experience with that?

[Sam Roberts]

No. No. But no ex girlfriend has ever wanted anything to do with this.

[Megan Morant]

Shocking.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. No. I've never been in a scenario where I've broken up with a girl and she's like, no, please don't. That's I don't know why that is. I don't know if that's a typical thing, but. No, that hasn't. I didn't know what Paul Heyman was talking about when he said that. Is that a thing that other people

[Megan Morant]

go a lot of times?

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, wow.

[Commercial Announcer]

Really?

[Sam Roberts]

I didn't. I've never heard.

[Megan Morant]

No, please don't leave me. And then they stalk nowadays.

[Sam Roberts]

Say that.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, nowadays they stock on social media. Back in the day, though, used to actually, like, you know, show up.

[Sam Roberts]

No.

[Megan Morant]

Legit stalk.

[Sam Roberts]

All my ex girlfriends have been like, sam, I said, I just want to be friends. What are you talking about? So I didn't realize. Okay, that's actually good clarity for me now. I. I actually understand the segment much better now. So it's just not my experience, you know, I don't know. It's probably. Probably. Probably the girls.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, definitely the girls.

[Sam Roberts]

But he also says, you know, Paul Heyman also says that Brock is obsessed with Oba Femi, which is. And he says, this is dangerous.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, because Heyman said he called Brock while Brock was out hunting, and all Brock wanted to talk about was Obafemi.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. Which is frightening. I think it's crazy that Brock has a cell phone when he's hunting, because Brock doesn't strike me as a tech guy.

[Megan Morant]

No, I mean, he's definitely not watching the.

[Sam Roberts]

So it's. Maybe it's like a. Like one of those, like, old school, like, roller razors. Yeah, razor. He probably got the razor. I don't think he's doing a sidekick BlackBerry. Because he. No, because he doesn't have email. I don't think.

[Megan Morant]

Pager.

[Sam Roberts]

It's probably a pager. It's probably a pager. And it says, Heyman911. Because it's emergency. And then. And then Brock Lesnar finds a pay phone, and he goes up to. And he goes, hey, I just got your page. I'm assuming you want to talk about Obafemi. And Paul's like, no. And he goes, well, I do. I want to talk about Obafemi quite a bit. And so. But he doesn't. But Paul Heyman doesn't say anything about clinger or stalker or psycho ex girlfriend or really big dummy. He just says, also, Brock Lesnar's obsessed

[Megan Morant]

with Opafemi, and it's unhealthy.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but all.

[Commercial Announcer]

But.

[Sam Roberts]

But for Brock, it's unhealthy in a way where he's like, brock's gonna hurt him so badly. So badly. You don't want to be locked inside a hell in A cell with Brock Lesnar. And look, whatever verbiage Paul Heyman wants to use, whatever descriptives he wants to use, he's not wrong. You don't wanna be locked in a hell in a cell with Brock Lesnar.

[Megan Morant]

Just ask anybody who's been locked in a cell with Brock Lesnar.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, you could ask anybody that's ever been even remotely near the presence of Brock Lesnar. They could tell you, I don't wanna be locked in a cell with that guy. Anybody that's been in an octagon with Brock Lesnar, they go, you want us to add a roof to this? They go, absolutely not. Anybody that's been in a ring, anybody that's been anywhere, Brock Lesnar, you go, no, no, no, no, no. I want a revolving door. No lock, please. Thank you very, very much. But Paul Heyman says that he's taken out a restraining order on Obafemi because he's such a psycho. And he says he has also taken out a restraining order on Brock and he would appreciate if Brock would be a law abiding citizen. And Brock decides, fine, he will be. But Obafemi thinks this whole thing is ridiculous. Here comes Obafemi going, what are you talking about? What does any of this even mean? What are you saying? I want an explanation. And Paul Heyman goes, you want an explanation? Here's the explanation. You just broke the law. Arrest this man. And Paul Heyman and Brock, they take their 100ft, you know, because Brock has to stay 100ft away. And Obafemi just takes out the entire police department. He starts flinging officers over the top rope like they're nothing. Which it's like, you know, God bless the Dallas PD here, but they are looking up. Yeah, at the ruler, at Obafemi, the bringer of war. Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

I'm not sure these five officers knew exactly what they were getting into tonight. And I'm not sure if they. They knew these. The size and strength of Obafemi.

[Sam Roberts]

You don't think that Paul Heyman was. Let them in on that?

[Megan Morant]

No, no, no. Because I think if he did.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

They wouldn't be standing there.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, yeah, well, luckily for them, they weren't standing there very long because Obafemi disposed of them immediately and then made it very, very clear that you cannot run from the ruler, you cannot run from Obafemi. And that hell in a cell, there will be no escaping for Brock Lesnar to do. Now, Brock Lesnar is avoiding Obafemi, of course, but I don't read that as fear on Brock Lesnar's fault.

[Megan Morant]

No, it was interesting when they were up the ramp after Oba had hoisted the fifth and final Dallas police officer out of the ring like a shot put on top of the other Dallas police officers. Brock Lesnar is standing at the entryway, and he was, like, sort of like, grinning and welcoming all this aggression that was displayed by Obafemi. And Paul Heyman is behind him. And Paul looked scared out of his mind.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, look, Paul Heyman has been in over his head, you know, a few times as of late, and I don't think he wants to get there again. But I also think that, you know, Oba Femi is the one who has fought for this match. Oba Femi is the one that spent, you know, months talking about wanting Brock Lesnar to be back, and he gave

[Megan Morant]

up a World Heavyweight title or.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes. Or WWE Undisputed championship match. Yeah. He could have been wrestling Roman Reigns or at this point, CM Punk at SummerSlam. And he chose not to. He chose instead to fight Brock Lesnar. And I think Brock Lesnar is looking at that as I got you where I want you. I think Brock Lesnar is also sitting there going like, well, last time we wrestled, I beat you. I won that match. Like, Brock doesn't walk in going, I don't think anybody can beat this guy. Brock's going, okay, I have to do what I did last time. F5. F5. F5.F5. Maybe throw him into a cage.

[Megan Morant]

But at the same time, I get the sense from Obafemi that he's looking at this as. This is a different beast. This is a coward of a beast. This is not the beast that once was feared because he's running from me instead of stepping up to me. And those World Heavyweight title opportunities, those World Championship Championship opportunities in wwe, I'll get to those after I bury the beast.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. I don't buy that coward thing. I don't buy that coward thing at all. Nope. I think Obafemi is. Yeah, I don't. I know. I don't think there's any. I don't think. I don't think Brock's being cowardly because first of all, why would he show up on TV if he beat Oba Femi? If I beat a guy and he's like, you're a coward if you don't come back. It's like, okay, fine, I'll be a coward. I beat you. So what does that make you? Like, fine, I won't come back. You know what I mean? And then eventually he does Come back and he kicks him in the FEMIS and he F5s him. And it's like, you know, if anything, I'm going like, well, that, that, that. It's almost like a. Like a. That the rule in. In sales or in negotiation is whoever talks first loses. I think Brock Lesnar is probably listening to the advice of Paul Heyman and taking control of the situation. And, like, maybe he thinks it's a good idea to get Obafemi this upset. It doesn't feel like it's a great idea to get Obafemi this upset. It feels like Obafemi only gets more dangerous as he gets more upset. But maybe that's something that Brock wants to deal with. Maybe Brock thinks that he's throwing Obafemi off his game, but I don't think it's. I don't. I don't think there is any part of Brock Lesnar that is going to be scared Walking into a hell in a cell with Obafemi.

[Megan Morant]

He didn't look scared at all.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't think it's. I don't think that's what it is. I think he's trying to maintain a control of the situation for whatever it's worth. I don't know if it's going to be effective. You know, I don't know if he's

[Megan Morant]

getting to Oba, though.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, Oba's throwing police officers around the ring. Something's getting to him.

[Megan Morant]

Sure.

[Sam Roberts]

That's not normal behavior. Throwing police officer. That's not normal behavior.

[Megan Morant]

Throwing things is normal behavior for Opafemi, but police officers.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but look, I mean, I don't know. Is it effective or is it ineffective? The idea that you got. You are so deep into somebody's kitchen. Did they give up a title match?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

You could say, well, I'll have another one. It's like, okay, if you say so. But it feels like it's one of those things where you can assume you'll have another one, but will you have another one?

[Megan Morant]

I don't know if people can walk out of a hell in the cell with Brock Lesnar the same way they walk in.

[Sam Roberts]

That's true. But if Oba wins, he will absolutely not walk out the same way he walked in. But if Oba is confident now, if Oba walks out, if Oba walks out of his own power of the hell in a cell and leaves Brock Lesnar laying in Minnesota, I mean, there's gonna be no stopping this.

[Megan Morant]

No, none.

[Sam Roberts]

So there is a lot of. Of. There's a lot to gain there.

[Megan Morant]

Either way, he's not leaving SummerSlam the same person.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I would, I would, I would say going back to like the the Roman Seth thing. It's not that different from the Brock Oba thing where it's like one of the. I mean they're both changed forever after this match.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

This is a definitive statement making match where it's like for Oba either oh my God, he really is indestructible or maybe he will be but not yet. For Brock, it's man, he still is the Beast. Or I think we've met the guy who can, who can stop the Beast. The Beast is not inconquerable anymore and it's been both of them. Both. Each one of those two is going to hit one of those two options. There's no middle ground.

[Megan Morant]

There isn't a middle ground. Especially it's not well, Oba got close

[Sam Roberts]

or it's Helena Cell. It's a definitive structure. There's no sort of.

[Megan Morant]

And this is the third match.

[Sam Roberts]

It's the third match in a definitive structure by definition. Like you can't expect to go in and being like whoa, if only. But this. But if I. But if they. Nope, not in Hell in a cell. Not with Brock, not with Oba. So you are right for both people. Neither. Both of them, regardless of outcome, come out differently than they walked in. And that's a very, very exciting thing.

[Megan Morant]

I can't wait.

[Sam Roberts]

I've got to tell you, speaking of exciting, this weekend is finally here. We've been talking to you about this for how long? The world's number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Festival. It's taking over New York City this weekend. WWE Superstars and Legends will be taking over the Javit center all weekend long. We're talking about the biggest names in wwe. We're talking about John Cena. We're talking about Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, Ria Ripley, Liv Morgan, the Undertaker. I'm not kidding. This is what's on that list of all the names I just Danhausen and many, many more. Here's what the WWE Universe can experience on the show floor at Fanatics Fest this weekend. Can't miss WWE programming, including you can see me now live Q and A with John Cena, the official WWE SummerSlam Kickoff and live episodes of WWE Podcasts, including what do you want to talk about With Cody Rhodes and and WWE now, AKA the now with Sam Roberts and Megan Morant. WWE Superstars competing in Fanatics Games, including the Tribal Chief, Roman Reigns. I can't wait for His Superstar entrance. Autographs and photo sessions with your favorite WWE Superstars. Exclusive WWE merchandise available only at Fanatics Fest. It's all happening July 16th through the 19th at the Javits Center. Tickets are nearly sold out, so grab yours now@fanatics fest.com before they are gone. It is going to be such a fun weekend. And I, I, I. Here's what I hope you don't get

[Megan Morant]

let down by Roman's entrance.

[Sam Roberts]

What?

[Megan Morant]

I don't think you'll be let down by his entrance, but I do think there will be a little part of you if he doesn't acknowledge you. For lack of a better term, that's a little butt hurt about it.

[Sam Roberts]

Are you saying that you'll be watching me in case I try to fake a stretch? Like I wasn't going for a hug?

[Megan Morant]

Yes, I will. I will be.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, hey man, what's.

[Megan Morant]

Oh,

[Sam Roberts]

I got a hug last year. I didn't.

[Megan Morant]

From Roman.

[Sam Roberts]

No. John Cena.

[Megan Morant]

Well, John Cena's not Roman Reigns. Come on.

[Sam Roberts]

John Cena's the goat. Never seen 17.

[Megan Morant]

Of course, he's very different than the OTC.

[Sam Roberts]

And when he hugged me, he was a villain, not Cena. He hugged me as a villain. You know what I mean? That's even more impressive. Villain John Cena hugged me, I think

[Megan Morant]

because of the hug last year from Cena. That made his life. He said it right.

[Sam Roberts]

He said it here on, on the now.

[Megan Morant]

I think you're getting your hopes up

[Sam Roberts]

a little too high. You don't think it was precedent setting?

[Megan Morant]

No, I think it was just like a one off.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. But also keep in mind you are a hater and a negative person. So like that. You know what?

[Megan Morant]

I hope Roman acknowledges me and just walks right past you.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow. See?

[Megan Morant]

And not even because I would like to be acknowledged by the travel chief. It would be nice, right? But more so because it would really bother you.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, you see? You see? Really bothering you. You've proven me right again. A hater, a negative person, bad friend. All these things combined.

[Megan Morant]

You know, I think you should just take the scene a moment for what it was and say, wow, that was great. And it never needs to be topped. The fact that you're heading in to year two of Fanatics games. You're like, oh, let's make it happen again. I live in a struck lightning in a bottle. Just relish it. Relish in it. Come on, we don't have to one

[Sam Roberts]

up that I live in an abundance mentality. Okay?

[Megan Morant]

I need more, more, more, more abundance.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm surrounded by abundance. Okay. I'm doing the secret. I'm thinking thoughts of.

[Megan Morant]

Well, anyway, you manifesting.

[Sam Roberts]

I manifest constantly. You should see my vision board. It's weird, but it's odd. But I'll tell you. I'll tell you who is manifesting and vision boarding. Poor Otis. God, this Otis.

[Megan Morant]

Oh my gosh, she's evil, isn't she?

[Sam Roberts]

Maxine?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know, man.

[Megan Morant]

Evil?

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know if she's evil. You ask.

[Megan Morant]

It was another situation where I was like, wow, Becky was right. Moody Maxine.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, Becky was right. She's in love. Maxine with Austin theory. She's being loyal.

[Megan Morant]

She was going to plant one on Otis, just set him up so that theory could deliver the low blow. And then she laughed in his face.

[Sam Roberts]

You got a man, right?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

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[Megan Morant]

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[Sam Roberts]

No, it's not.

[Megan Morant]

It's not.

[Sam Roberts]

I want something so you can brag about it. If somebody was insulting that your dude.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And then was beating him up. You wouldn't do whatever you could to take advantage of the situation to make sure that that dude that was beating up your man got his comeuppance. You wouldn't use whatever assets you had at your disposal to make sure to protect your partner. You wouldn't do that.

[Megan Morant]

Well, when you put it that way.

[Sam Roberts]

But that's all Maxine was to illustrate

[Megan Morant]

the history that Maxine and Otis have together.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. But guess what?

[Megan Morant]

Come on, babe.

[Sam Roberts]

Hey, babe. I told you it was bad news. I told you it was bad news.

[Megan Morant]

And especially because Otis has the biggest heart and was always genuinely just looking out for Maxine's best interest.

[Sam Roberts]

Was he.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

Have a crush on her because he was about to tell Maxine that he had feelings for her. And let me tell you something. When somebody. When. When the friend is telling you, no, he's not good for you, he's not good for you. Oh, really? Well, then who should I. I don't know.

[Megan Morant]

Well, maybe Maxine did just use him the entire time. It's been years.

[Sam Roberts]

What do you mean use him the entire time?

[Megan Morant]

The entire time. Remember when she first arrived and joined the Alpha Academy and she had never had a match before and she hit the caterpillar and she points at Otis and she tugged at all of his heartstrings and he was there for her through everything.

[Sam Roberts]

Why does and she knew hugs that heartstring.

[Megan Morant]

She knew that she had some leverage in the situation. She knew that she was in control of Otis's emotions and she still played him like a fiddle.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I don't think that. I don't think that's the way it happened.

[Megan Morant]

Exactly how it.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't think that's the way it happened. I think, I think if you look, if you look, Austin Theory and Maxine developed a certain chemistry, okay? They end up falling for each other, as these kids will do. And then, I mean, you're not a person that's ever celebrated love. You know what I mean?

[Megan Morant]

What does that even mean?

[Sam Roberts]

Well, what happened with Dominic and Liv?

[Megan Morant]

What do you mean what happened with them?

[Sam Roberts]

You've not supported that couple.

[Megan Morant]

Well, I haven't supported a lot of their actions.

[Sam Roberts]

That's what I mean. You don't.

[Megan Morant]

I don't support their. I mean, I support their emotional relationship, but the actions that they take against other people, a lot of them I don't approve of.

[Sam Roberts]

You don't support. Love is the thing. And that's been a. That's been a constant on the show, but so to say, I mean, these two fall for each other, right? And all of a sudden this person you're supposed to support your friends when they find somebody, when they find a partner. But I think Otis and Tozawa, they go, oh, no, we're going to lose our friend because she's found somebody. And now they're like, well, let's stop her progress. Let's stop her progress in life. Let's make it so she just stays in this weird friendship gray area instead of being like, yeah, oh, look at her growing and finding a mate. Right? Maybe. Maybe we can all be friends. Maybe. Whatever. Well, you know what? I don't know. This is going to change the dynamic, but it's best for her. That's not ever how it happened. They said, hey, what's that about? Hey, that guy's bad news, babe. That's what we got to zawa over here hating on this thing.

[Megan Morant]

Or maybe they're still just trying to protect Maxine because they know what people like. Grown ass woman theory, Logan.

[Sam Roberts]

Paul, Maxine's an adult woman.

[Megan Morant]

Are all about and they're trying to protect her.

[Sam Roberts]

You need people around you protecting you.

[Megan Morant]

I don't.

[Sam Roberts]

Because you're a grown ass woman, okay? You don't need people around you protecting you. You need the freedom. Look, if you're going to make a mistake, you're going to make a mistake. If I started going like, hey, Megan, I don't mean to interfere in your relationship, but you should really, you'd be like, that's really weird. That you're doing this, that's way out of line and inappropriate, and it's coming across as strange.

[Megan Morant]

Well, I think I just saw a side of Maxine that I. I didn't know existed tonight. And she has. She has a ruthless, evil side to her.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know if it's. I. Look, I think at a point, you do kind of have to set boundaries and be set. And by the way, Maxine tried. Tried to just talk to Otis and Tozawa and say, look, I found somebody like this.

[Megan Morant]

You don't know him.

[Sam Roberts]

You don't know him. I found somebody like, there was. Maxine was not out of line there, and they insisted. No, he's no good. He's no good. He's no good. Well, if he's no good, then I'm no good. Maybe that's how Maxine felt.

[Megan Morant]

It's all that gel in the hair

[Sam Roberts]

you don't like because it gets curly. It's curly like when Sandy and Grease turned heel.

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Sam Roberts]

In the end. But guess what?

[Megan Morant]

Danny Zuko had the sweater on. He takes this.

[Sam Roberts]

It takes the sweater right off. He's like, I'm not wearing this. Dumb. So. Yeah, but guess what, Guess what. When Sandy in Greece turned heel, that's when her and Danny finally got to ride off into heaven. Remember when they got in the car at the end and they rode into heaven? For some reason, some people think Sandy drowned on the beach at the beginning of the movie. And this whole thing was just like a fever dream. And that's them going to heaven. I don't know for sure, but that's Greece. That's not Raw. But what I'm saying is that that's the same thing Maxine is going through right now. But are you mean to tell me that Sandy and Danny Zuko were not meant for each other?

[Megan Morant]

I. No, I didn't say that.

[Sam Roberts]

Because I'll bet there were Sandy's friends going, e. Sandy, bad news. That's T Bird, baby. Bad news. Right? When they probably said that.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, there was a lot of people saying that.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. But Sandy was meant to be with that T bird, wasn't she?

[Megan Morant]

All I have to say is, as many months ago, the greatest female wrestler of all time warned us that Maxine was awfully moody, and maybe Otis should have listened

[Sam Roberts]

to Becky Lynch.

[Megan Morant]

Becky, no, Maxine's not moody. So happy for her.

[Sam Roberts]

She's not moody.

[Megan Morant]

The true colors have shown.

[Sam Roberts]

She's not moody.

[Megan Morant]

Pretty moody, if you ask me.

[Sam Roberts]

She's annoyed at what's going on around her. And maybe. And look, and I'm going to tell you right now, even without Paul Heyman, this is a very weird interaction that the Vision had with Paul Heyman.

[Megan Morant]

That's a couple weeks in a row now. They've had very weird interactions with Paul Heyman.

[Sam Roberts]

Paul Heyman saying, you guys did great. You guys did great, Maxine, you're doing so very well. But as good as Maxine did, what the hell do you need me for? And he walked off. It was very, very strange to me. To the point. But, I mean, I don't. It's been a long time since I've seen the Vision this strong as a group.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, I'd lean in. Clearly, they figured something out. And listen, the sweet girl next door, Maxine, who was friends with Otis and Tozawa, and that's what she was all about. How is she doing?

[Megan Morant]

You better shape up.

[Sam Roberts]

See what I'm saying? Maybe, Maybe. But I wonder what Paul Heyman's end goal is here. Why is Paul Heyman. Is it tough love? Is he trying to get them to get even better so that he can finally sit down with them and go, like, yeah, okay, we're ready to rock. Or is it. Is he over it?

[Megan Morant]

If I was Austin Theory, I'd look right up Paul Heyman and say, you know what? Screw you, man.

[Sam Roberts]

You'd say that to Paul Heyman?

[Megan Morant]

If I was Austin Theory in this situation.

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[Megan Morant]

Right?

[Sam Roberts]

That's the Oracle.

[Megan Morant]

Of course it is. But the way he's treated the Vision. I mean, how many weeks ago with it? Two or three weeks ago, when Austin Theory went up to Paul Heyman and was like, hey, why didn't you even tell me that you were coming?

[Sam Roberts]

It was the same vibe. Oh, you didn't know? Well, now you do. And then he walked off.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

No, it's for him to show up

[Megan Morant]

and be like, what do you need me for? Like, you know what? Screw you, man.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, look, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they still feel like they need that Oracle. Maybe they still feel like they need the Paul Heyman magic. Maybe they still feel.

[Megan Morant]

Everybody wants the Paul Heyman magic, though.

[Sam Roberts]

He's got a really. He's got a great track record, this Paul Haven. He's got a great track record, you know, But I don't know. Look, I will tell you this. Speaking of a great track record, we saw Dan Housen tonight. Very nice, very evil. And now behind the wheel, Danhausen has a new cursed Cruiser T shirt that it's arrived. Channel your inner curse and add it to your collection today. You can grab yours now at WWE Shop and Fanatics. We also saw La Knight get his SummerSlam match on Monday Night Raw. Yeah, the newest La Knight tea is here and ready to make some noise. Let everyone know whose game it is and grab yours today at WWE Shop and Fanatics. We have the tech to get food delivered in 15 minutes, but we all have horror stories about buying tickets. The GameTime app gives fans the advantage. Get amazing tickets in just a few taps. Fees are included, so what you see is what you pay. And the game time guarantee means authentic tickets at the best price every time. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets to concerts, sports, comedy and more with GameTime. Download the GameTime app and create an account for $20 off your first purchase term supply.

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[Sam Roberts]

La Knight has that steel chair that he used tonight on Monday Night Raw and I Are you surprised that La Knight, after everything, has decided to trust and team? And I know it was just a challenge that was made, but I got some breaking news. There was a graphic.

[Megan Morant]

You know what that means?

[Sam Roberts]

It's official.

[Megan Morant]

It is official. Am I surprised?

[Sam Roberts]

Are you surprised that L A Knight has decided to team with Solo Sikoa?

[Megan Morant]

It seems very sacrilege given La Knight's history with the bloodline and obsession with this family, that now he is teaming with someone who is related by blood to the bloodline. But all that being said, La Knight had really no other choice and Solo's,

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, pretty clearly proven it. So tonight we get the rematch between Jimmy Uso and Royce Keys, which once again does not end with Royce Keys winning, you know, clean is a big, you know, disqualification or whatever ending because Jacob Fatu came in and just before he's about to crush Royce Keys his head in that steel chair, Solo Sikoa comes out of nowhere and he says he's decided to join the family. And he stands up. And I was very excited for him.

[Megan Morant]

I was too, because I've wanted Solo to come home.

[Sam Roberts]

I want him to come home. But he stands up there. But by the way.

[Megan Morant]

And he's Red Suit Solo, which I love. Red Suit Solo.

[Sam Roberts]

I do too. But I've never seen Red Suit Solo with as much backbone as I saw today. I mean, he was standing on business tonight for whatever direction he wants to go in. He was standing on business because he put his finger up in the air and then Jimmy put his finger up in the air, and then Jacob put his finger up in the air and you saw Solo all of a sudden shift his finger down and stick that thumb out. And I went, oh, no. And then he smiled in his solo way, mischievously almost, and boom. Spiked Jimmy Uso to the ground. He wasn't able to spike Jacob. Jacob got that Tongan death grip on. But that's when LA Knight came out and even the odds a little bit, swinging that steel chair around. The challenge was made. The graphic has come out. Jacob Fatu, Jimmy uso, and Jay uso, which, by the way, even that dynamic is very, very interesting. The fact that, like, why?

[Megan Morant]

Because Jacob doesn't take orders from Jay's poncha.

[Sam Roberts]

That's exactly why. That's exactly why. Because he doesn't take orders, especially Jay, from your punk ass. No, no. So to see that, like, I feel like. I feel like that in the. In the. In the months that this version of the bloodline is kind of formed, a certain chemistry has developed, at least between Jimmy and Jacob. We haven't seen Jey uso, I want to say, since he lost to Cody in the number one contenders match week and a half ago.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

So. And that. So he lost the King of the ring and that number one contenders match. So it'd be interesting to see when we do see J back, if that plays into it or if he's moving forward and taking care of this connection.

[Megan Morant]

We also haven't heard Roman address the J of it all either.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I think Roman's got other. Other fish to fry.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, he's got. He has a lot on his plate right now.

[Sam Roberts]

And I also think that that's what's interesting about the. This version of the bloodline, which is kind of, I think what I, maybe we have talked about in the past, that I love the idea of the bloodline not being something that is necessarily single task oriented, that you've got all these parts of it and it can do multiple things. Meaning that what the USO's and Jacob have going on over here with Royce Keys, L.A. knight and Solo Sikoa really have nothing to do with what Roman has going on with Seth Rollins over here.

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[Sam Roberts]

That you have, you know, multiple stories, rivalries going on within this group. I also find it fascinating that they're playing into Royce Keys having a deep connection with the family.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

Louisiana. Knight doesn't necessarily have a deep connection with the family, but, I mean, he has had a problem with the bloodline since Roman was on that original bloodline run. But Solo, obviously, being the brother of Jimmy and Jey, USO and Royce Keys being trained by Rikishi, being.

[Megan Morant]

And talking about, he's like, I don't have any family. This is my family.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

We're my family.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. And the history, clearly, that Jacob and Royce have going back is, I think it's a very interesting dynamic.

[Megan Morant]

It's not by blood, but those two are family.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but the bloodline is by blood.

[Megan Morant]

I know.

[Sam Roberts]

And the bloodline is the bloodline. You're Talking about the USO's and Jacob Fat, too. You know what I mean? I get it. You're talking about Royce Keys. This guy's the future. You're talking about La Knight, who's just waiting for the moment to capitalize on. I really like that we're seeing a side of Solo Sokoa where maybe he can show the potential, like, show his ability to execute on the potential that we all saw when he was doing things like beating John Cena as a member of that original bloodline. I think this is really good for Solo. I just wonder if he's in too deep with partners that are not blood family.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. And where that.

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[Megan Morant]

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[Sam Roberts]

It'll be interesting to see. We did see an incredible gauntlet match.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

Monday night Raw. So we start with Dominic Mysterio.

[Megan Morant]

How you feeling about this one?

[Sam Roberts]

It feels like they did it on purpose.

[Megan Morant]

What do you mean they did it on purpose?

[Sam Roberts]

It feels like they slighted him on purpose.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, topic.

[Sam Roberts]

I definitely have noticed that there is an agenda where it seems like people like to make life harder for Dominic Mysterio.

[Megan Morant]

I think maybe you're the only one who's noticing that.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, well, it's also like, Dominic Mysterio

[Megan Morant]

maybe shouldn't be messing with Danhausen's laboratory.

[Sam Roberts]

It's not a lavatory.

[Megan Morant]

Labrador.

[Sam Roberts]

You said lava.

[Megan Morant]

No, I said laugh.

[Sam Roberts]

Doesn't work in a laboratory. She said lavatory, didn't she? Yeah. Yeah. Charlie heard you say lavatory. You did. You said, maybe you shouldn't mess with Danhausen's lavatory, which I don't think Danhausen gets to his own lavatory. I think he has to use the same bathroom as everybody else. Unless there's a laboratory. Did he put a lavatory in the cloning machine?

[Megan Morant]

Oh, my gosh. I misspoke once. How would you like this if I did this to you on our little NXT countdown? When you misspoke, you could.

[Sam Roberts]

I've never misspoke.

[Megan Morant]

Never once.

[Sam Roberts]

No, I. Not yet. It could happen. Just hasn't yet. I. Never. Talking about people's lavatories. I know. I come up.

[Megan Morant]

Maybe if Dominik Mysterio stopped messing with Dan Housen's laboratory. How does that sound? Laboratory. Is that better?

[Sam Roberts]

I didn't know what you're talking about.

[Megan Morant]

Is that better?

[Sam Roberts]

That makes more sense.

[Megan Morant]

Maybe things would. Would start to go.

[Sam Roberts]

Danhausen wasn't even in the match.

[Megan Morant]

No, but the curse is real.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, but he came out. Listen, first of all. No, I think. I think he was put as the first person in the gauntlet match on purpose to mess.

[Megan Morant]

Adam Pierce is out to get him.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes. Yes, I do, as a matter of fact. I. Absolutely. If you think. If you could sit here with a straight face and tell me that Adam Pierce doesn't play favorites.

[Megan Morant]

Well, come on. I can't do that.

[Sam Roberts]

Is there anybody that you've witnessed Adam Pierce maybe put in unfair positions? A certain greatest women's wrestler of all time. Okay.

[Megan Morant]

All the time.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. So it's not necessarily out of Adam Pierce's character.

[Megan Morant]

Always puts her in tough positions.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, so you. Then, you know, okay, so then we

[Megan Morant]

can agree on that.

[Sam Roberts]

He is the type to do that. Would you say that?

[Megan Morant]

All right, so Dominic lost.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, he did beat Joe Hendry. He did beat Joe Hendry. And then, I mean, he should have beaten Javon Evans.

[Megan Morant]

Shoulda, coulda would have.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. I suppose. But then Dan Housing comes out, and he curses the wrong quarter post. And he mutters a profanity to himself because he messed up, which people really do. Did you hear, like, after, like, Night of Champions, people were, like, furious. Like, they were like, the curse is real and they spoil. And it's like the curse. It's the cur. He messes up constantly, all the time.

[Megan Morant]

He's supposed to disappear. And he can't disappear.

[Sam Roberts]

He can't disappear. So look at him with all this pomp and circumstance, and he sets off the wrong corner post. And Dominic just looks at the corner post like, why did you do that? And he goes, you go get him, J.D. now, unfortunately, it did work as a Distraction because it meant that JD is now going to take care of of Danhausen, which means he's not there to help Dom. And Dom has now given it enough time that Javon Evans is able to sneak one in. And Javon Evans advances through the Gauntlet match. An incredible back and forth with he and Dragon Lee.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, my gosh. I want to see that run back again.

[Sam Roberts]

Me too.

[Megan Morant]

And. And again.

[Sam Roberts]

Same exact Page. Javon Evans goes through Dragon. Dragon Lee. Now here comes Rusev. Great back and forth. Javon Evans. A couple of times I thought he had him. He did not. He misses the OG Cutter. Accolade is locked in. Javon Evans was able to power out of it once. He was not able to power out of it twice. But Chad Gable comes out next, is able to roll up Rusev. Chad Gable beats Rusev. But Rusev applies that accolade after the fall has already been counted. Leaves him in prime position for Ethan Page. But it's not enough. Even after that big boot, it's only a two count. They keep going. Ankle lock is locked in. Tap, tap, tap. Chad Gable wins. And it is official. Chad Gable versus Penta, which is like, literally where we started.

[Megan Morant]

Oh.

[Sam Roberts]

For the intercontinental title cinema at SummerSlam

[Megan Morant]

in Chad Gable's home.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Minnesota.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes, In Minnesota.

[Megan Morant]

In Minnesota. Wow.

[Sam Roberts]

It's really cool.

[Megan Morant]

And Chad Gable has this first op. Well, his first chance to win a singles title.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. I mean, it's not his. Not his first chance, but his chance to win his first singles title.

[Megan Morant]

Correct.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And to do it at this point in his career in Minnesota. To your point.

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[Megan Morant]

Coming off of the mask. Vers mask.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. And then that excellent gauntlet match. There's a lot to look forward to

[Megan Morant]

with Chad Gable and Penta.

[Sam Roberts]

Absolutely, absolutely. Now, also, after that gauntlet match, it was made official that because Dan Housing got involved, that at Saturday night's main event, the JD McDonough Danhausen match is now a no disqualification match, which means that, you know, I'm sure that there will be power in numbers. I'm sure that Dominique Mysterio will be there. And if there's no disqualification, Dominic Mysterio can be up to any old tricks that he wants to.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. But Danhausen has tricks of his own.

[Sam Roberts]

Is that what he makes in his lavatory?

[Megan Morant]

Next question. Next question.

[Sam Roberts]

You're right. Dan Housing does have tricks of his own. So, you know, I'm.

[Megan Morant]

I'm friends.

[Sam Roberts]

Clones. They're not friends. They're.

[Megan Morant]

This is such a tough spot for

[Sam Roberts]

you because I love Dan House. And I love. Yeah, I love the Judgment Day.

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[Sam Roberts]

No, you're right.

[Megan Morant]

It's really tough for you. I feel like you're leaning a little. Judgment Day. Dom's your number one.

[Sam Roberts]

I really like Dominic Mysterio. Yeah. Yeah. He's a really great wrestler. No, I really can. I don't think I ever will. I really don't think I ever will. But this is the lineup that we got for Saturday night's main event. Okay. We have Sami Zayn and Gunther. Amazing Versus Cody Rhodes and CM Punk. Gunther not thrilled about this thing. I mean, he beat Nick Aldis within an inch of his life when he found. When this match was announced. I've never seen anything like it. And we don't even know how Sami Zayn feels about it because we haven't seen Sami Zayn since he lost. Since he lost the title. And. Well, we saw him right after he lost the title.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, that clip on social media.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes, but that's. That's all we've seen from Sami Zayn. So maybe on Friday we'll get more from Sami Zayn. But we got this massive tag team match happening at Saturday night's main event announced today. Roman Reigns is going to be at Saturday night's main event in the world's most famous arena, Madison Square Garden. And he has invited Jalen Brunson to be his guest. Jalen Brunson, of course, star of the New York Knicks. Your 2026 NBA champions will be in the house. And also a massive WWE fan will be in the house with Roman Reigns. I. That's. That's going to be so, so cool to see. Like I said, the JD McDonough Danhausen no disqualification match. We'll have the women's tag team championship on the line with Paige and Brie. Bella versus Fatal Influence. And a match that was made tonight. Bailey called Lyra out. Lyra had some very unkind things to say about Bailey. Calling her a doormat.

[Megan Morant]

Said she was the worst of the four horsewomen.

[Sam Roberts]

That's tough. That's a tough pill to swallow.

[Megan Morant]

She said that Bailey's held her down.

[Sam Roberts]

Lyra Valkyria's sweater looked like a doormat that she was wearing.

[Megan Morant]

You're such a hater.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, it just looked like a literal doormat. I'm not saying that's a negative or positive. It's just that's what it looked like. And so it's ironic that she would say that about Bailey, but. But I'm sorry, Larry. She's making. We see that face pops up. She doesn't know why I would say that. She's scowling at me going, why would you say that's not what this looks like? But I didn't mean that. Lyra Valkyrie, I mean, she's going through it right now.

[Megan Morant]

She really is.

[Sam Roberts]

She's going through it. I think I I think Bailey needs this victory.

[Megan Morant]

I think she absolutely needs this victory.

[Sam Roberts]

I think she needs this victory. I think Lyra said a lot of funky stuff about Bailey, and I think that she needs this victory. So we'll see if she can pull it off at Saturday night's main event. But the big news is you and I will be there for Saturday night's main event. And that means that we will be in the Mecca and hitting you with a Saturday night's main event recap podcast immediately following the show. So make sure that you are subscribed across all audio platforms, leaving comments hitting like on YouTube. We will see you next week, but before that on Saturday night, right after Saturday night's main event for another recap from wwe. Now.

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[Megan Morant]

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