Roman Reigns tosses aside his Wiseman Paul Heyman | Raw Recap

Summary

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Raw Recap with Sam Roberts & Megan Morant

Episode: "Roman Reigns tosses aside his Wiseman Paul Heyman"

Date: April 15, 2025
Podcast: WWE x Fanatics Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Raw Recap is an in-depth, high-energy breakdown of the final Monday Night Raw before WrestleMania 41. Hosts Sam Roberts and Megan Morant review the major segments and matches from Raw, dissect the drama among Roman Reigns, Paul Heyman, Seth Rollins, and CM Punk, and offer hot takes on the evolving stories. In addition, they are joined by Dominik Mysterio for an entertaining and revealing interview ahead of the intercontinental title Fatal Four Way at WrestleMania. The episode is packed with sharp analysis, inside jokes, and passionate wrestling fandom, all in anticipation of the biggest event of the year.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Bloodline Drama: Roman Reigns, Paul Heyman, CM Punk, and Seth Rollins

• Roman’s “Mean Girl” Moves and Paul’s Predicament

  • Roman makes a theatrical return, icing out Paul Heyman in a scene brimming with psychological warfare.
  • Sam: "This is mean girl stuff. This is like, I'm gonna go talk to your boyfriend and I'm gonna know that you're gonna see me talking to your boyfriend. But, like, he's not gonna know that you see me." (05:45)
  • Paul Heyman is caught between his allegiance to Roman and his friendship with Punk—Roman's refusal to take Paul’s microphone is analyzed as a symbolic snub.
  • Sam: “For maybe the first time in Paul Heyman’s career, somebody else is in control of the perception.” (07:59)
  • Roman’s core: need for control, demand for loyalty, and sense of responsibility as provider.
  • Sam: “Hurt people hurt people. That’s right. And Roman’s been hurt. Roman’s been betrayed by literally everybody.” (06:38)
  • Roman’s speech referenced his importance for WWE’s recent billion-dollar deals, and he demands acknowledgment for it.

• Seth Rollins’ Perspective and Promo

  • Rollins stands up as the “heart and soul” of WWE, contrasting Roman’s narrative as the “attraction” responsible for WWE’s business success.
  • Sam: “It’s about perspective of what you think it is that fuels WWE because Roman’s right how he describes himself. But Seth is also right about how he describes himself.” (12:49)
  • The Shield’s legacy is dissected: all three members (Roman, Seth, and Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley) could carry the company, but each in their own way.
  • Megan: “It’s always Seth. Highs and lows.” (21:56)

• Paul Heyman’s “Winner’s Side” Alliances and WrestleMania Uncertainty

  • Paul has always aligned himself with the “winner’s side” and now has “no idea” which way the wind will blow for the WrestleMania triple threat main event.
  • WrestleMania feels “wide open”—for the first time, even Paul Heyman’s loyalties seem uncertain.
  • Sam: “Paul Heyman is more mixed up than he’s ever been…any of us could have a conversation for days about who might win this match.” (17:28)
  • Both Sam and Megan reflect on their shifting rooting interest leading up to Mania, with Megan “totally shifted to Seth” after his recent promos.

World Heavyweight Championship: Gunther vs. Jey Uso

• Gunther’s Unraveling and Jey’s Transformation

  • Gunther comes across more emotional and unhinged than ever, betraying his usual cold, calculating presence.
  • Sam: “That seems like a guy who's unhinged.” (24:18)
  • Megan argues Gunther is rattled by Jey Uso’s new side, believing for once Gunther sees “I could be in trouble.” (24:41)
  • Jey’s demeanor signals the “party is over” — dressed all in black, resisting his fun-loving “Yeet” persona for a vengeful, focused edge after Gunther’s attack on Jimmy.

• The Stakes at WrestleMania

  • Sam sees the match as “do or die” for Jey—Gunther won’t let expectations slip and will resort to brutality if needed.
  • Megan notes the challenge for Jey to tune out distractions and channel his energy for the match of his life.

Dominik Mysterio Interview (30:25–47:58)

• Physical Toll and Preparation for Fatal 4-Way

  • Dom jokes about being “all right” after recent beatdowns and discusses strategizing with Finn Balor to “take these guys out.”
  • Dominik: “This is all part of the strategy… we’re picking up notes and… be prepared for the future.” (31:37)

• Relationship with Finn Balor & Judgment Day

  • Clears the air—calls Finn “the dad that stepped up,” denies any rift after being added to the Mania match.

• Living Up to Legacy & WrestleMania Moments

  • Reflects on iconic Mania entrances and living up to the legacy of both the Mysterio and Guerrero families.
  • Dominik: “I am the greatest Mysterio of all time and I just wanted to put that out there one more time.” (36:48)
  • Discussion of evolving beyond his dad’s shadow and striving to “carry on the Guerrero legacy.”

• Liv Morgan, Rhea Ripley, and Judgment Day Dynamics

  • Lighthearted banter about his relationship status with Liv, taking jabs at “the one who shall not be named” (Rhea/Mommy).
  • Talks about his new happiness with Liv: “She buys me all the nuggies I want… She took care of me in India. She managed to get me chicken tenders in Mumbai.” (39:17)

• On Facing Finn at Mania

  • If it comes down to pinning Finn Balor: “I’d grab his arm, turn his body, so he ends up on top of me to get the pin… It’s seniority.” (45:44)

• Funniest Moment

  • Dom’s opinion on Penta’s strut: “To me, in my head, it just looked like, you know, something was stuck between his ass cheeks and he was trying to get it out.” (43:28)

Intercontinental Title Fatal Four Way: Outlook

• Bron Breaker’s Dominance

  • Sam and Megan agree: “I don’t see how anybody can really overcome Bron Breaker.” (55:48)

• Finn Balor the “Forgotten” Threat

  • Cautions not to overlook Finn – “Generally when people forget about Finn, it’s the biggest mistake they ever make.” (57:27)

Other Key Raw & Mania Week Segments

• AJ Styles vs. Logan Paul

  • Sam and Megan praise AJ’s legendary status; are loath to admit Logan Paul’s talent but detest his arrogance and “video resumes.”
  • Sam: “People who are really doing amazing things generally don’t have to tell you because you’re already aware.” (60:05)
  • Sam threatens to be “furious” if Logan beats AJ at Mania.

• Women’s Triple Threat (IYO SKY vs. Rhea Ripley vs. Bianca Belair)

  • Focus on Rhea’s emotional journey, Bianca’s tenacity, and IYO's precarious “must-win” position.
  • Sam: “I think IYO finds herself in a must win position.” (65:25)
  • Megan contends, “I think EO gains more. She has the most to gain and the most to lose.” (65:52)

• WrestleMania Build, John Cena, and the Spinner Belt

  • Celebration of Cena/Cody build, “last time is now” merch, and heartfelt appreciation for the history-laden Mania narrative.
  • Amusing debate on the legacy of the spinner belt—Sam reluctantly acknowledges it for the “era it represents.” (70:21)

• Hall of Fame Inductors Announced

  • Shawn Michaels to induct Triple H, DDP for Lex Luger, Undertaker for Michelle McCool, CM Punk for Bret vs. Austin match.
  • Sam: “Of all the things for CM Punk to get to do… On the same weekend, CM Punk finally gets to main event WrestleMania for the first time ever… and gets to induct Stone Cold Steve Austin and Bret the Hitman Hart into the hall of fame.” (74:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Roman’s Silent Punishment of Heyman:
  Sam Roberts: “It’s Paul Heyman handing that microphone to Roman Reigns. And Roman Reigns going over to the timekeeper and asking for his own microphone. Thank you very much.” (07:25)

• Seth’s Mic Work:
  Sam Roberts: “Seth Rollins cut the promo of a Lifetime.” (11:33)
  Megan Morant: “Every time Seth has grabbed that microphone…he’s totally convinced me. I go, yep, that’s a good point…Seth is right.” (21:31)

• Heyman’s Side:
  Megan Morant: “Paul Heyman’s side.” (16:39)
  Sam Roberts: “Even better. The winner’s side.” (16:40)

• Jey’s Seriousness:
  Megan Morant: “It almost felt like Jay was displaying that the party is over. He shows up in all black. The crowd is yeeting. Jay USO is not yeeting.” (27:13)

• Dominik on Family:
  Dominik Mysterio: “I am the greatest mysterio of all time and I just wanted to put that out there one more time.” (36:48)

• Dom’s Tactics:
  Dominik Mysterio: “If it’s me and Finn, I’d grab his arm, and turn his body so he would end up on top of me to get the pin… It’s seniority. Finn’s been the dad that stepped up.” (45:44)

• Sam on Logan Paul:
  Sam Roberts: “People who are really doing amazing things generally don’t have to tell you because you’re already aware.” (60:05)

• Sam on IYO SKY:
  Sam Roberts: “I think IYO finds herself in a must win position. I think if IO loses the title at WrestleMania, it’s almost like, was that a dream or did it really happen?” (65:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:44] WrestleMania Week Excitement
• [05:32] Bloodline Drama (Roman, Paul, Punk, Seth) Begins
• [11:22] Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns Philosophies
• [16:38] Paul Heyman’s Loyalties and WrestleMania Uncertainty
• [21:00] Who Should or Will Win the Triple Threat?
• [22:15] Gunther Shows a New Side; Jey Uso’s Transformation
• [30:25] Dominik Mysterio Interview Begins
• [36:48] Dom’s “Greatest Mysterio” Declaration
• [43:28] Dom on Penta’s Strut
• [45:44] Would Dom Pin Finn at Mania?
• [55:36] Fatal Four Way Preview—Bron Breaker as Favorite?
• [57:09] Don’t Overlook Finn Balor
• [61:21] Logan Paul vs. AJ Styles
• [62:23] Women’s Triple Threat Discussion
• [69:39] WrestleMania Card Rundown & Merch Hype
• [70:50] Cena/Cody & Spinner Belt Discussion
• [71:32] Hall of Fame Inductors Announced
• [74:48] CM Punk Inducts Bret/Austin Mania 13 Match

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Tone & Style

The show is passionate, humorous, and inviting—true to the hosts’ dynamic rapport and wrestling superfan backgrounds. They blend serious analysis with playful banter and nerdy references, maintaining the core insider lexicon of WWE fans.

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Useful for New Listeners?

Absolutely—the summary captures all major storylines, the podcast’s unique perspective, and the emotional stakes heading into WrestleMania 41. Key character beats, story arcs, and participant insights (notably Dominik Mysterio) are broken down with the same wit, candor, and affection delivered by Sam and Megan.

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Transcript

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[Dominik Mysterio]

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[Megan Morant]

We have made it. It's WrestleMania week, baby.

[Sam Roberts]

I can't believe we're here.

[Megan Morant]

I don't know how you're gonna get through this show.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know how I'm gonna get through the show, the week, the day, the month. I don't know how I'm gonna get through any of it.

[Megan Morant]

Dominik Mysterio coming on this show sandwich for you is a big deal, but we also have big things to talk about.

[Sam Roberts]

So I'm just, I mean, I'm excited.

[Megan Morant]

One bag at a time.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm taking full advantage of it. You know, a lot of the WWE staff has already headed out to Las Vegas, so they said, like, we don't have any guests on the show. I said, why don't you let me take over talent booking duties? They said, okay, Bob's your uncle. Dominic Mysterio is on the show.

[Megan Morant]

I was wondering, I was wondering how that happened.

[Sam Roberts]

But listen, coming off of Monday Night Raw, we're going to talk about everything we saw. But coming off of Monday Night Raw, they said the tribal chief was returning to Raw. So I kind of knew we're going to have something to discuss. I just didn't know what it was. There is so much manipulation, so much gameplay, so much being said and so much not being said when it comes to Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, CM Punk, and of course Paul Heyman. You know, we're, we're, we're gearing up for the main event of WrestleMania Saturday, which, by the way, we'll be doing a raw recap after WrestleMania Saturday and after WrestleMania Sunday. So I can only imagine if I'm feeling these feelings now, how I'm going to be feeling a few days from now. But we see it starts with CM Punk and he's got his arm around Paul Heyman and he's like, whatever. They're singing songs together. That's as far as we can go. We don't have the rights. So there's no way that you can tell me that CM Punk doesn't know Paul looked happy. How often do you see Paul Heyman getting manipulated?

[Megan Morant]

He looked. He looked at home.

[Sam Roberts]

But you can't tell me that CM Punk did not know that Roman Reigns truck was pulling up.

[Megan Morant]

Of course he knew, because it was the end of the night in Sacramento. We knew the tribal chief was arriving at some point.

[Sam Roberts]

This is mean girl stuff. This is like, I'm gonna go talk to your boyfriend and I'm gonna know that you're gonna see me talking to your boyfriend. But, like, he's not gonna know that you see me.

[Megan Morant]

Like, mean girls, the Halloween party.

[Sam Roberts]

Right?

[Megan Morant]

Which she wore the costume.

[Sam Roberts]

Of course it is. Yeah, of course it is. And then Paul Heyman realizes that he's been caught cavorting with his best friend, CM Punk. And Paul Heyman is in this weird spot because Roman Reigns has created this environment where if you are loyal to the tribal chief, you are loyal to the tribal chief and the tribal chief alone, which means you can't talk to your best friend anymore.

[Megan Morant]

And especially heading into WrestleMania week of all weeks with this favor on the line.

[Sam Roberts]

So. So Roman just goes towards the ring by himself. Paul Heyman is running along with him. I think Michael Cole described him as a puppy dog. And it was accurate. Once again, the goat is right.

[Megan Morant]

Roman Reigns was walking with a purpose.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, he was. And he knew by the way, he knew that he was making Paul feel. The way Paul felt. The stern look on Roman's face, the. The. The shameful, almost bashful look on Paul Heyman's face. I mean, it's the little things, right? Roman knows how to hurt people. You know why? Because hurt people hurt people. That's right. And Roman's been hurt. Roman's been betrayed by literally everybody.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

And so what does he do? He goes, okay, if you're going to hurt me, wait till you see how badly I can hurt you. Know what hurts Paul Heyman? It's not the words. It's not the looks. It's Paul Heyman handing that microphone to Roman Reigns. And Roman Reigns going over to the timekeeper and asking for his own microphone. Thank you very much.

[Megan Morant]

I don't want your mic, Paul. I don't need you right now, Paul. It was funny because Paul Heyman backstage following Roman right immediately when he's in front of the crowd in Sacramento, Paul gets this look on it. Nothing's wrong.

[Sam Roberts]

Everything's okay.

[Megan Morant]

It's good.

[Sam Roberts]

Because that's been Paul Heyman's career, the Survivor. As long as I can talk my way through this. If I act like nothing's wrong and you don't say anything's wrong, nothing's wrong. Perception is reality.

[Megan Morant]

Let me get the mic. Let me hand the mic to Roman Reigns. Everything is fine. Oh, I was just talking to CM Punk. No worries. Nothing to see here.

[Sam Roberts]

But for maybe the first time in Paul Heyman's career, somebody else is in control of the perception. Paul is not in control of the perception, and he has always been in control of the perception. And when Roman gets the microphone from somebody else, that's sending a message loud and clear that you cannot convince people that there isn't a problem here. Because I'm going to let everybody know that we have a major problem here, and Roman Reigns will swim in it. Roman Reigns isn't trying to avoid it at all. Roman Reigns is punishing Paul Heyman for the situation that he believes Paul Heyman has put them in. And he brings up relevant points. Right. First of all, did you see the video that WWE Social put out before Raw of Roman Reigns talking? Oh, yeah, amazing. Where he said he's realized he's gotten to this place where he realizes time to go back to work and don't trust anyone. Which there's a certain hall of Famer that used to say that too, but we'll leave that there. I got excited again. I'm getting all excited every day. It's going to be something. Yeah, yeah.

[Megan Morant]

But I love. Then Roman grabs the mic.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And he's clearly talking about the betrayal of Paul Heyman, but he will not make eye contact.

[Sam Roberts]

No.

[Megan Morant]

With Paul.

[Sam Roberts]

What a great tactic. What a great arguing tactic that is.

[Megan Morant]

Talking about Paul the entire time to Sacramento.

[Sam Roberts]

Talking to Sacramento, though.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, I guess you're here, Paul.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, you.

[Sam Roberts]

I was talking to Sacramento. We didn't notice you. And then he says, look, favor, no favor. You're talking about this favor. You've been talking about it since November. How come the favor that you owe is costing me? How come I'm the one feeling the brunt of this favor?

[Megan Morant]

Roman's like, I didn't promise anyone anything.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

You can handle your favor that you promised on your own time. Right now you're on the tribal chief's time.

[Sam Roberts]

See, what's so interesting about Roman Reigns is as much as he's manipulated as much as he's gaslit, as much as he has done everything that he was doing tonight. Taking control of everything and needing not only complete control, but 100% loyalty. As much as all of that is true. He's also always been a provider. And I think that he. That's how he sees himself, right? He talked about it in the social video. He sees the billion dollar deals, he sees the Netflix deal. He sees Raw recap. Cozying up with fanatics. And he said, who made all of this possible?

[Megan Morant]

Who puts food on our plates every single night that we get to eat?

[Sam Roberts]

And I think wrestling storyline or no wrestling storyline, right? If you asked him straight up, hey, dude, like, what do you mean? He's like, what do you think? I mean, like, ask anybody if the bloodline story did this or didn't do this. And so all he wants in return, that's the acknowledgment ultimately, that he is playing a completely different game and playing on a level that. That we haven't seen before. This is the Chicago Bulls in the last dance trying to keep up with the level of greatness that Michael Jordan is insisting that they keep up with. And it's like, yeah, Roman's willing to provide, but you have to do it to Roman's liking and to Roman's standards. And Paul Heyman was fine with that up until this favor. This favor. So Seth Rollins comes out and to me, and this.

[Megan Morant]

And Seth Rollins disagrees with everything that you just said. Roman sees himself as the provider, but Seth Rollins says, oh, it's interesting because you don't come to work.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I don't think that. So Seth Rollins cut the promo of a Lifetime.

[Megan Morant]

To me, I thought it was fantastic.

[Sam Roberts]

And in this world where, let's be honest, there are a lot of fans that were like, where does, like, Roman and Punk, where did Seth even fit into this? You know? And then, by the way, they were saying the same thing last year. Last year, they were treating Seth like he wasn't.

[Megan Morant]

He's the MVP of WrestleMania, and he.

[Sam Roberts]

Ended up being the MVP this year again. He cuts this promo of a lifetime where I don't think that he's taking away Roman's accomplishments. I think that it's all a matter, again, of not perception, but perspective. I think that for Roman, he's saying I'm the greatest attraction that he believes the sport's ever seen. And because I am that big of an attraction and have attracted that many eyeballs and that many dollars, that I'm the One that has taken this business to where it needs to be. Seth is saying the other thing Seth is saying what makes this business what it is is not the statue that's outside the building. It's the foundation that the building is built on.

[Megan Morant]

Seth believes he's the heart and soul of what makes this work.

[Sam Roberts]

And he is.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

That's the thing. It's about perspective of what you think it is that fuels wwe because Roman's right how he describes himself. But Seth is also right about how he describes himself. Roman isn't here all the time. Roman's had two matches all year and one of them was the Royal Rumble.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

Seth is the one that puts in all the work. Seth is the one who's there for every show. Seth is the one that's getting injured. Seth is the one doing everything that is needed to be done to make sure that day to day, the company maintains. And I think that's what Seth values. And Seth seems to like. He is truly worried about the idea of a big star coming in and kind of crafting the business around themselves.

[Megan Morant]

And do you think with Roman and Seth's history being on the in the shield.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

Do you think how different they are?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Bothers Seth at all because he is the heart and soul. He is the foundation, but Roman is the attraction. They are both right.

[Sam Roberts]

No, I don't think it bothers him because that was the magic of the shield. The magic of the shield was you had three different stars that provided three very different things. But when brought together, it was everything. It was like no matter who you are, there was something in there. And I believe the sum was greater than the parts, at least at that stage in their careers. But you still had that. Roman Reigns always had that aura of attraction. You know what I mean? Every member you had your. You had. You had an attraction. You had a lunatic and you had an architect, and that's what you needed for the shield to be the shield. Now, to prove the impact of the shield, we're seeing that any one member of this group could hold the business up, but they're going to hold it up to their terms. And those terms are now clashing. Then you have CM Punk, who is a little bit more like Roman, but even more irksome, I think, to Seth Rollins, because CM Punk is gone for 10 years. And in that 10 years, so much work has to be done within the WWE to build it back up to where it is. And CM Punk returns. And by the way, CM Punk's return has without question, elevated Everything around the wwe, but business was good.

[Megan Morant]

CM Punk made it better, but it was already good.

[Sam Roberts]

CM Punk absolutely came back when business was great.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And Seth is sitting there going, cool. You went from great to greater. Okay, who made it great?

[Megan Morant]

Me.

[Sam Roberts]

And that's what we need. So that when times get tough again, Seth is saying ultimately that this match is about who is going to be that industry leader.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. He called it the soul of WWE last week, this triple threat match.

[Sam Roberts]

Right. And when times get tough, what are we going to need? Are we going to need somebody that's there to go, like, okay, whatever we've got, I'm going to make this work, or are we going to need somebody that's going to go home? This is Seth's perspective. Roman's perspective is, you know what we need is a multibillion dollar Netflix. Netflix deal. CM Punk's perspective is, you know what we need? We need the guy in the ring that fans have been chanting for for 10 years. And all three of them are right now. Here's the thing with Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman is looking at the three of them, right. You know whose side Paul Heyman has always been on from the very beginning?

[Megan Morant]

Paul Heyman side.

[Sam Roberts]

Even better. The winner's side. Paul Heyman. Whose side is Paul Heyman on? No matter what match, he doesn't support losers. No.

[Megan Morant]

Losing is not good for business.

[Sam Roberts]

No. No matter what match, Paul Heyman is a part of the side that he's on is always going to be the winner's side. It's always been who Paul Heyman is. Who's going to win the triple threat right now. Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

I have no idea. But after the last two weeks, who do I want to win?

[Sam Roberts]

No, no, no, no, no. I didn't ask who you want. That's a different question. I will ask. I do want it because I want to know. But my point is, who's going to win? You have no idea.

[Megan Morant]

No idea.

[Sam Roberts]

I have no idea.

[Megan Morant]

Paul has to have no idea, which.

[Sam Roberts]

Is why he's more mixed up than he's ever been. Because Paul Heyman's been on Roman Reigns side this whole time. Because there's never been a match that Roman Reigns walks into that there hasn't been at least a very good chance that Roman Reigns was going to win. Now we're looking at this going, any of us could have a conversation for days about who might win this match.

[Megan Morant]

There was a case for all three of them. Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

And maybe in the beginning you'd go, it's either gonna Be Punk or Reigns. Right? Not in the last two weeks.

[Megan Morant]

No, all three are now the last two weeks. I think tonight. Rollins cut a promo of a lifetime. Last week, his promo was. I mean, we're talking 1A, 1B right here. I mean, the performance that Seth Rollins has put on the last.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm putting this one at 1 8. This is my promo. This Seth Rollins promo for me even. Cause even when he said he goes, this is about the future of the business, I went, is it? And then he explained it, I go, I guess it is. I guess it is. You sold me on it. And he said this to Paul Heyman and this, this gave me chills. You have a choice to make. He didn't. What? I don't know what the choice is. I mean, because I'm sitting there going, just because you threatened to kick somebody in the head doesn't mean they owe you a favor.

[Megan Morant]

No, but he was saying the way favors work is like you decide when you give the favor.

[Sam Roberts]

It's a choice.

[Megan Morant]

It is. And he has a choice to make. Do you want to grant this favor to CM Punk? You want to be in Rollins corner? Does he want to be in Romans?

[Sam Roberts]

Right? Right. Is. Is it? Does he not want to grant a favor? Does he want to grant a favor to CM Punk? Or now did Seth convince him that maybe Seth should be the one who gets the favor?

[Megan Morant]

Well, I don't think he's going to be in Roman's corner no matter what.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't think Roman wants him anymore, which is nuts. Dude, that's Roman Reigns.

[Megan Morant]

I know.

[Sam Roberts]

Roman Reigns has not gone into a fight by himself, really, since pre pandemic.

[Megan Morant]

I was going to say it has to be before the pandemic.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, Roman Reigns has not gone into a fight completely alone. This decade.

[Megan Morant]

That's insane. This decade, insane. Who do you want to win this triple threat match.

[Sam Roberts]

Man?

[Megan Morant]

I mean, you have to say Roman Reigns always.

[Sam Roberts]

And you know, you know, because I'm sitting there going like, oh, I'd like where. I'd like the story to go where this one. It'd be really interesting at that. If that one win, you could do this.

[Megan Morant]

You want to be in Vegas with your once in the air.

[Sam Roberts]

What happened in Philly? You were next to me.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, you want.

[Sam Roberts]

And the whole room was saying, cody's probably going to win the title, right?

[Megan Morant]

You said, no, it's going to be Roman.

[Sam Roberts]

What did I say to you? You know, I remember exactly what I said to you. As Roman was walking to the ring, I looked at you and said, I'm not ready for this to be over.

[Megan Morant]

I still don't think you're ready.

[Sam Roberts]

And Lars Frederickson from Rancid was sitting right next to me. Remember?

[Megan Morant]

I do remember this.

[Sam Roberts]

And both of us were like, we're cheering for Roman. Right?

[Megan Morant]

We had the ones in the.

[Sam Roberts]

And you joined us.

[Megan Morant]

I did. I did. Because it was the entrance. Every time that music hits and he with the ula fala and he makes his way to the ring, you go, I don't know if I appreciated it enough. And that's exactly what happened to me and to you at WrestleMania 40.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, I want Roman Reigns to win. Seth hitting him with that chair, shades of the shield all over again.

[Megan Morant]

And shades of WrestleMania 42 made me say, what if?

[Sam Roberts]

Who do I want to win in my little heart? Roman.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

When I get my action figures out later and I get my floaty ring and I play with them in the.

[Megan Morant]

Bathtub, you're going to do that later?

[Sam Roberts]

Of course. I gotta take a bath. Roman Reigns is gonna win. But when I put my little fantasy booker hat on, Seth gave me a big what if tonight.

[Megan Morant]

The last two weeks, I've totally shifted to Seth. Really totally shifted. And I think I was more CM Punk before that.

[Sam Roberts]

And now you're at Seth.

[Megan Morant]

Now I'm at completely. Because every time Seth has grabbed that microphone leading to this main event at WrestleMania, he's totally convinced me. I go, yep, that's a good point. Yep. That's another good point. Yep. Seth is right. He's so right. And yes, to your point, they are all right. But who has been there, Including Paul. Highs and lows.

[Sam Roberts]

I know.

[Megan Morant]

It's always Seth.

[Sam Roberts]

I know.

[Megan Morant]

And Seth has been overlooked. And what he did on the build to last year's WrestleMania with his injury, then being the MVP at WrestleMania, coming back after the injury and the year he had, I know. To me, it's Seth.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, well, on the other side of things, the world Heavyweight championship side of things, we had two very different stars. I think on Raw, you had Gunther coming out there. Okay. And Gunther was scheduled for an interview with Michael Cole comes out early. Cole isn't even ready for him, but he comes out early. And I should have told him. Cole should have texted me. I would have told him. Interviewing Gunther is not easy right now. We found out that out the hard way. I don't know. I mean, listen, Gavin's over there going, let's get Gunther on the show tonight. I go, thanks a lot, Gavin. Great idea.

[Megan Morant]

He was trying to Book us a champ.

[Sam Roberts]

He was in a horrible mood.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, I'm looking right now at Gunter's face. I don't know if he. He ever wakes up in a good mood.

[Sam Roberts]

No, but this is different, okay? Because Gunther, he was full of it, okay? He said, I was in control the whole time. This is the first I believe, I want to say that we've really seen Gunther in an emotional state. When he was beating up Jimmy uso and making him bleed, Gunther was letting his emotions lead. And those emotions were hate filled and those emotions were violent, but they were still emotions. What's always made Gunther the ring general was that he simply came to the ring with a specific mission in mind and did whatever he had to do to simply win the match. No frills, no nothing. And that's what made him so unstoppable, was that there was no passion. It was just a matter of winning. And now we see a different Gunther. We see an emotional Gunther. We see a Gunther that does not want to answer Michael Cole's questions. We see a gunner that's taking the microphone away from Cole and saying, screw your questions. And then he wants to tell me he's in control. That seems like a guy who's unhinged.

[Megan Morant]

Well, to me, what has changed so much with Gunter is that Gunter saw a new side of Jey uso last week.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

And I think it terrified Gunter.

[Sam Roberts]

What?

[Megan Morant]

Because he knows how dangerous J uso can be.

[Sam Roberts]

Does he?

[Megan Morant]

After last week, seeing something awoken in Jey uso, Jey uso's completely different demeanor walking to the ring, the momentum shifted. And I think for the first time, Gunter saw in front of him. I could be in trouble.

[Sam Roberts]

You really think so? Because every time I see Gunther talk in any of these interviews, and he said it even on, on Raw recap last week, that he seemed talk about Jey uso. He didn't, but he seemed annoyed. Like when. When we were trying to talk about previous WrestleManias. He seems annoyed that this is even his WrestleMania match. He seems like this is the beginning. Yeah, that. Like, are you kidding me? Like, he really sees himself as the best world Heavyweight champion. And certainly an argument can be made for that, right? I don't even think that's hyperbole. It's either him or Seth, and it might be him, but he's going like, we finally get to WrestleMania and I gotta fight Mr. Yeet.

[Megan Morant]

Okay, but Jay's proven in the last couple weeks that he's so much more than Mr. Yeet.

[Sam Roberts]

No, I agree with You. I'm saying, I think that that's. That's Gunther's perspective. And look, okay, we're talking about the look in Jay's eyes. We're talking about the spirit. We're talking about emotions. We're talking about everything. I think the most important thing that Gunther said on Raw was on Saturday, the bell's gonna ring. The bell has to ring. And then what happens? Because if you remember, go back to WrestleMania last year, okay, people have talked about it. Jay's talked about it. People were like, I don't know if that Usos match lived up to what the expectations were. Jay said, I don't know if that Usos match lived up to the expectations that I had. I'm telling you right now, Gunther's not going to let that happen. And if he starts to even sniff that maybe physically this isn't living up to people's expectations, he's going to beat the stuffing out of Jey USO to make sure that people get a show and he will leave as the champion. It's not enough to want it. It's not enough to could be. Jay's got to find a totally different way of being and go in there and transfer all this energy and transfer all this goodwill and this spirit that he's got now and transferred into something that's in ring. I'm not saying he can't.

[Megan Morant]

To me, it almost felt like Jay was displaying that the party is over.

[Sam Roberts]

Now, which I like.

[Megan Morant]

He shows up in all black. The crowd is yeeting. Jay USO is not yeeting.

[Sam Roberts]

Nobody did play his music twice.

[Megan Morant]

He did.

[Sam Roberts]

He. It's hard not to.

[Megan Morant]

I know. It's so catchy.

[Sam Roberts]

It seems like there's, like there's a. There's a bug inside of him. He wants to do it so bad, but he. But he doesn't have it in him. Like, like, like his instinct is to go like, you know what? I'm feeling this vibe. I'm gonna go for it. And then all of a sudden, that thing that's been plaguing his brain goes, no, you're not. And Jay goes, no, I'm not. Like, all right, let's play it again.

[Megan Morant]

One more time.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, well, we're not eating. And he goes, no, I guess we're not eating.

[Megan Morant]

No. No eating.

[Sam Roberts]

Because he does have venom.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

For Gunther now. And that's a good thing.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, what happened to his brother?

[Sam Roberts]

Yep. That changed things big time. Gunther wore Jay's blood brother's blood like an outfit. And Gunther's over here on the mic saying, I'm gonna destroy Jay uso. I'm gonna call my mom. She's gonna be proud of me. I don't think as much as I don't wanna mess with Gunther, I think I'd like even less to mess with Gunther's mom. Jay admitted to the fact that he's crashing out. I think, again, this is good. Jay's been having a great time for the last year, and Jay's been doing amazing things. Okay. Jay was, to me, the star of War Games. Jay won the intercontinental championship, his first singles title. Jay has created a revolution. Jay is selling merch everywhere. Jay is bringing down the house everywhere that he goes. Jay's not beating Gunther. It's.03 right now. It's do or die for Jay, so 100% right.

[Megan Morant]

And I think this week in Vegas, we've heard a lot. We heard from E On this show last week. Distractions.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

He's going to have so many moments, just like we saw tonight on raw. Play that music back. Play that music back. Moments for Jay uso this week in Vegas. All of the Yeet T shirts. Everybody's going to want a piece of Jay USO needs to figure out a way to focus it.

[Sam Roberts]

I. I think he will. I think we're gonna get an interesting Jay.

[Megan Morant]

Okay.

[Sam Roberts]

Because everything we see in Jey uso, it's almost like he's ready to pop. I was watching him on sneaker shopping, and he seemed tense. Like, everything seems tense because I think. Because ultimately, Jay knows it's do or die and that Gunther has his sights on one of those two things. And it ain't do, it's die. Yeah, that's the one. That's the one. You figured it out. Simple equation. The world is full of tours.

[Dominik Mysterio]

But.

[Sam Roberts]

You don't choose a Toyota truck to follow the beaten path. You choose it to find the places in between the detours, where each adventure pulls you toward the next. And wrong turns turn out right. So why would you ever take a tour when you could take a detour? Toyota trucks. Well, look, it's a big RAW recap.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

Very, very special show because we have a very special guest. It is time to be joined by our incredibly giving guest on raw. Recap. I told you this was going to be special. I say this with the utmost professionalism. Here we are with my favorite professional wrestler on the planet, Dominic Mysterio. And Dom, I said that. I say this with. With the utmost professionalism. I'm going to Ask you the questions that everybody wants to know the answer to. First off, are you okay? Are like, are you okay?

[Dominik Mysterio]

I mean, I'm all right. You know, I've had better days. Um, I just got speared into Carlito and then I didn't. I did not realize Penta was so top heavy because, oh my goodness, I got hit in the head with an elbow of some sort of it. And it felt like it was like a 45 pound brick or something. So I just, I know me and Finn got to get on the same page to take these guys out because this is, this is getting a little ridiculous.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, these are lessons that you should probably learn. You've now felt what it feels like to get speared by Bron Breaker and you figured out that, I mean, it's a good time to figure out that Penta is top heavy before going into an intercontinental championship. Fatal Four Way at WrestleMania. That's good. It's good timing.

[Dominik Mysterio]

This is, this is all part of the strategy. You know, we're, we're picking up notes and you know, taking little, little ideas here and there so what we can do and be prepared for the future.

[Megan Morant]

Sam, are you okay?

[Sam Roberts]

As long as Dom's okay, I'm okay.

[Megan Morant]

Okay. I'm glad that and.

[Sam Roberts]

But that's generally just how I live my life.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dominik Mysterio]

I'm great.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay. Okay, good.

[Dominik Mysterio]

I'm great. So Sam's gotta be great.

[Sam Roberts]

Great.

[Megan Morant]

Well, Dom, we're five days away from this Fatal Four Way for the Intercontinental Championship. And you know, Finn Balor, he was on our show a couple weeks ago and he said you guys are brothers. But he didn't seem exactly thrilled to find out that you were added to this match. Have you and Finn sorted things?

[Dominik Mysterio]

Yeah, of course. I don't know why you would say it like that, that he wasn't thrilled. I think it was just more the fact that like he was unaware of what was going on. Right. Because obviously he's gonna be happy for me. Like I said it many of times before, Finn is the dad that stepped up. You know, he's, he's, he's my guy. He's been there from the beginning for me. And when he found out, he, he was a little bit shooketh. And I think it's because he was unaware of the situation like I said. But now that he fully understood and you know, we have better chances of getting gold to the Judgment Day, he's cool with it. But I think at the end of the day we, you know, we're on the Same page.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, he's way less shooketh, I think. I mean, let's not forget the fact that this is WrestleMania, okay? This is. This is a place where, I mean, records aside, I'm not a statistics guy. Let's talk about entrances, okay? Let's talk about spectacles that you've made at WrestleMania. I still say you go back two years ago. WrestleMania 39, the Dominik Mysterio entrance is one of the best WrestleMania entrances, like, ever. And you could say that without irony. You could say that without me doing my Dominic Mysterio thing. It's just one of those, like, everybody remembers that one. Like, you got to be. Triple H was on the flavor podcast this week, and he was talking about making moments and maximizing minutes. And I feel like. Like you did that with that entrance. You made a forever moment at WrestleMania. Is that something that, as you go into a WrestleMania, like, this year, you think, okay, how am I going to make this one? How am I going to take a second of time like that and make this one special?

[Dominik Mysterio]

Yes and no. Because, you know, I feel like that, like you said, that entrance was so special. You know, I feel like I've. I've gotten so lucky with my entrances. You know, unfortunately, my first WrestleMania, it would have been a lot cooler if I popped up by myself, but I had to do it with that deadbeat. But then, you know, WrestleMania 39 with, you know, I get the. The paddy wagon coming out, got the OG Rey Mysterio mask. That's, you know, should be a dumb Mysterio mask, but it is what it is. And I just, you know, I think it was so iconic. And what's so cool about that is that, like, you know, like Triple H said, he's. It's about making moments. And he helped me make that moment because I was. I was unaware. For me, I thought I was just gonna make my way down the ramp, you know, like. Like every other superstar. But little did I know he had, you know, this vision of my entrance, that it was just so cool and iconic now as only my second mania. And you, like. Like you said, it's a forever moment, you know, and only my second WrestleMania.

[Sam Roberts]

And it's also like. Like such a great culmination of that jail, Dominic, the prison Dom story, where it's like, you know what I mean? Like, you're. You're finally getting to the Ray Dom match. But you also see, like, this is. This is where it all started. This is what it's all about. I mean, I also think, especially going into this year's WrestleMania for you. It has to be cool or. I don't even know if you're at the point where you look back on your career at stuff like this yet, but, like, when you look at the trajectory of Dominic Mysterio, it's like the beginning of that is, oh, yeah, we just. Dom's gonna team with his dad. That's what Dom does. And then the next part is, okay, Dom's got this rivalry with his dad. And everybody was like, yeah, but what's after that? But what's after that? And I feel like, like, you have developed so far since then to the point where, like, your dad has nothing to do anymore with what's going on. You're going into WrestleMania in an intercontinental Championship Match, and it still feels, Dom, like you're not even close to your peak.

[Dominik Mysterio]

You know, I hate to say that you're 100% correct, but you might be 100% correct on this. You know, I. It is. It is. It is my first. My first WrestleMania without any involvement of that deadbeat around me.

[Sam Roberts]

Right?

[Dominik Mysterio]

The only. The only great thing about this is that the greatest mysterio of all time is going into this Intercontinental championship match at WrestleMania. You know, whether it's Finn or myself, it does not matter, as long as the judgment day gets gold, right? And that's. That's all I care about. But I am the greatest mysterio of all time. And I just wanted to put that out there one more time.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, because that's wild, too, because your dad's uncle was a mysterio. So that's also. That's also a step above. I've never seen you take a shot at the uncle.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Yeah, no, I'm third generation. I'm not. I. I love my uncle. You know, I've. And. And he. He has a son. He has. And he's also wrestling.

[Sam Roberts]

Right?

[Dominik Mysterio]

But I have nothing against him. They've done nothing to me.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Dominik Mysterio]

I grew up with them. They, you know, took me as their own. Right. But then you got my deadbeat, on the other hand, who was just a terrible father. He wasn't there for me. He, you know, did things he shouldn't have done as he. I was put in a custody match and I was 8 years old.

[Sam Roberts]

I remember that.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Are you kidding? Are you kidding me? Like I said, I have. I have nothing against my uncle, but I. I am the greatest mysterio of all time.

[Megan Morant]

Well, Dom, we've, you know, followed.

[Dominik Mysterio]

And I love my uncle, right?

[Megan Morant]

Yes. We followed the arc of the character Dominic Mysterio as Sam just talked about, from, you know, teaming with your dad to Prison Dom to you're running the Judgment Day and your relationship with Rhea Ripley. And then starting last year, we started to see all of these little Easter eggs of you with Liv Morgan. And I think, you know, as fans watching, it was like, how is, how is all of this gonna work? It's always Mommy and Dominic. And then once we started to see you and Liv Morgan, I know Sam and I, we definitely got excited about it, and I think the entire WWE universe did. What has it been like for you, you know, with your. With your new relationship with Liv and this new iteration of the Judgment Day?

[Dominik Mysterio]

Have you, have you seen her? Oh, I've seen Live. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And you. You guys, you're gonna wonder if I'm happy or if things are going well.

[Megan Morant]

I've also seen Mommy, so it's been great. Well, I mean, she looked great. She dropped. She dropped a fire picture. What about her this week?

[Dominik Mysterio]

Who's. Who's. Who's mommy?

[Sam Roberts]

Who.

[Dominik Mysterio]

We don't. I don't know. My. I have one mommy and that's the Wedita that's by my side. The greatest woman champion of all time. The greatest three time tag champion of all time, along with Raquel Liv Morgan. So, yeah, it's been great. You know, she. She buys me all the nuggies I want. We went to India. We had a great time in India. She took care of me in India. She managed to get me chicken tenders out out there in Mumbai. Do you know how hard that is? They don't even make them out there. And she managed to get me chicken tenders in Mumbai. Yeah, yeah, it's called chicken. Chicken picage something.

[Sam Roberts]

But.

[Dominik Mysterio]

But she managed. She managed to get me some chicken nuggets out there.

[Sam Roberts]

That's huge.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Yeah, I mean, Voldemort, whatever her name is. I. I don't like saying.

[Sam Roberts]

She who will not be named. And I thought we weren't going to name her, but. Okay.

[Megan Morant]

It's part of this past.

[Dominik Mysterio]

You brought up that one thing that shall not be named.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. That's right.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Yeah, but he brought up a good, A good point about my past. You're over here just talking about Mommy, Mommy, Mom. Like, are you excited? I understand you're gonna be a mommy, but like, you don't got to bring.

[Sam Roberts]

Up mommy, right, just because you are mommy, you know? Well, you don't need to bring it up. I mean, listen, think about this, right? We're talking about family.

[Dominik Mysterio]

The only mommy that's need to be. Yeah, yeah. The only one that needs to get brought up is. Is the Jurita live. That's it.

[Sam Roberts]

That's.

[Dominik Mysterio]

No, no.

[Megan Morant]

Okay?

[Dominik Mysterio]

No more of this. That one who shall not be named, please. I will walk out. This is. There's. This is a massive room. And I walked out last night. Has been very respectful.

[Megan Morant]

He's obsessed with you.

[Sam Roberts]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Megan Morant]

Obsessed.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm professional. That's the difference.

[Dominik Mysterio]

As he should be. It's okay. I mean, look at me. Got a great stash, great mullet. I don't need to wear a mask because I'm, you know, I'm good looking.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Dominik Mysterio]

I mean, I'm the greatest mysterio of all time. I don't need to keep going on, but anyways, I will walk out, so don't tempt me.

[Sam Roberts]

No, no, listen to this. Have you thought about this? I know it's all about the Judgment Day. I know it's about bringing the Intercontinental Championship back to the Judgment Day. But you're now in a WrestleMania match for the Intercontinental Championship. I've seen a lot of your. Your move, set, your esthetic. Inspired by one who may or may not be your natural birth father. The late, great Latino heat, Eddie Guerrero. Eddie Guerrero, one of the great Intercontinental champions as well. Have you thought about the fact that coming out of WrestleMania, you can continue on that lineage even further and be part of that club that Eddie was a part of?

[Dominik Mysterio]

I mean, I. I like to take it one day at a time, right? As of right now, we. We have to deal with this whole Bron Breaker situation. Tomorrow. I'm gonna get with Finn. We're gonna game plan. But as far as, you know, Eddie and the lineage of, of me being in the Intercontinental title stuff, like, I think no matter what, it's gonna happen, right? One way or another, it's gonna happen. And he said it himself. I am going to be the one to carry on the Guerrero legacy, whether they like it or not. So imagine that. I gotta. I gotta put two legacies on my back.

[Sam Roberts]

That's crazy.

[Megan Morant]

It's tough for you.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Are you kidding me?

[Sam Roberts]

And look at you. I'd be stressed out.

[Dominik Mysterio]

You look like a million bucks. Yeah, how about I'm more than a million bucks?

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I was just thinking that. I was just thinking that. I mean, what do you think of. Of the Pentastraut? Okay. Because you are a Lucha historian, if you go through the Easter eggs on, on your attire alone, there's always so many references to. To the great luchadors that so many of us grew up with. You've, I think, been inspired by La Parka before with. With. With. With some of your gear that you've worn. I think clearly, Penta has a little bit of a La Parka vibe going on when he comes to the ring with that strut. Do you feel like he's encroaching on your territory a little bit?

[Dominik Mysterio]

No, I didn't even think about it that way. To me, in my head, it just looked like, you know, something was stuck between his ass cheeks and he was trying to get it out. Like, he's like, kind of like.

[Megan Morant]

So have you had that happen to you before?

[Dominik Mysterio]

No, that's about. That's all I got to say on that.

[Sam Roberts]

No, I do.

[Dominik Mysterio]

No. No, I haven't. But I've seen plenty of movies where they depict it and they, you know, play by play certain things. The movie.

[Sam Roberts]

I love you, man.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Does it, you know, they play by play a fart. So, like, it's reading body language.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

Is it weird for you at all now to be headed into this Fatal four way with Penta as one of the opponents after you tried to recruit Penta to join the Judgment Day?

[Dominik Mysterio]

No, I don't think it's weird because, you know, we handled that situation. He had his opportunity, and he blew it. You know, we gave him a shot to. To become an intercontinental champion that night, you know, and he. He decided to. To bite the hand that feeds him.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Dominik Mysterio]

So we took matters into our own hands, and like I said, I don't. I'm not worried about it at all. Me and Finn as a team, collectively have already beaten Penta and Braun as them as a tag team. So, like I said, I'm not even worried about it. Me and Finn are completely on 100 on the same page, and I think one way or another, Gold is coming back to the Judgment Day.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, last scenario. I'm gonna paint the picture for you. You're in the ring. It's WrestleMania 41. Las Vegas is going absolutely wild. Bron Breaker is outside of the ring. Penta is outside of the ring. They're both laid out. You get in the ring, you see Finn Balor is lying motionless in the ring. Do you finish the match there? Do you pin Finn Balor in that scenario?

[Dominik Mysterio]

Are you familiar with firefighter training?

[Sam Roberts]

I never did it myself.

[Dominik Mysterio]

No. Okay, so what I would do in this situation, right, is I'd grab. I'd go to roll, and I'd grab his arm. And I turn his body so where he would end up on top of me to get the pin.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow.

[Dominik Mysterio]

So.

[Sam Roberts]

What a guy.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

What a guy.

[Dominik Mysterio]

You know, it's. It's. It's. It's seniority. And like I said, Finn's been the dad that stepped up, you know, so you gotta. You gotta do what's right.

[Megan Morant]

I don't know if Liv would be happy about that. She wants her man to, you know, take honorable guy.

[Sam Roberts]

Everybody would be happy about being an honorable guy.

[Dominik Mysterio]

I think. I think. I think Liv would be happy with whatever I decided to do because she's very supportive and she just wants what's best for me. And I think whatever I think is best for me, she thinks is best for me.

[Megan Morant]

It was big of her to go to Adam Pearson and help facilitate this.

[Sam Roberts]

She's not negative like Megan, is she? Megan's very negative.

[Dominik Mysterio]

You like apples?

[Sam Roberts]

You like apples?

[Megan Morant]

How about apples?

[Sam Roberts]

Do you like apples?

[Megan Morant]

He wants, yes. Yes, I like apples.

[Dominik Mysterio]

No, actually, actually, actually, joke's on you because I was going to offer you a beautiful bucket of apples that Carlito had sit here. So now joke's on you. You don't get any apples.

[Sam Roberts]

You blew it, dude. We blew it again.

[Megan Morant]

I hope they weren't honey crisp. Those are my favorite.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, they were. I'll bet they were again.

[Dominik Mysterio]

You're. Megan, you're. You're like penta. You had your shot and you blew it.

[Megan Morant]

I thought you were gonna say, I have something stuck between. I was like, whoa, Dom.

[Sam Roberts]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Hey, hey, That's. That's. That's your personal business.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, Dominic Mysterio, thank you so much for making some time for us on Raw. Recap. I cannot wait for the spectacle that will be the fatal four way for the Intercontinental Championship at WrestleMania. I hope you avoid any spears. I hope you avoid the top heavy offense of Penta and that you. You. You walk out of WrestleMania not only with you in one piece, but the judgment.

[Megan Morant]

They fully attacked and celebrate with some tendies.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Dominik Mysterio]

Thank you, Sam. I. I really appreciate you for having me. I definitely will celebrate with some attendees. Thank you for suggesting that, Sam. And, you know, anytime you want me back on here, Sam. I got you.

[Sam Roberts]

Thank you, my friend. You're the best.

[Megan Morant]

Thanks.

[Sam Roberts]

You are the best.

[Megan Morant]

Thanks. Thanks, Tom.

[Dominik Mysterio]

All right, Sam. Have a good night, Sam.

[Sam Roberts]

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[Megan Morant]

Well, that went well for you.

[Sam Roberts]

I thought it went well for the show. Don't be selfish. It went well for the whole show.

[Megan Morant]

Thank me.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, you were really hostile, and I wasn't gonna bring that up, but, like, you were very negative.

[Megan Morant]

I.

[Sam Roberts]

Very hostile. And that's not like you. I don't know if it's questions that.

[Megan Morant]

Needed to be asked.

[Sam Roberts]

Okay, okay. Well, I thought I pretty much covered the questions that needed to be asked. I kind of felt like I covered the journalistic part. But look, it's your show, too. I'm not going to tell you to do your job. I just. I'm going to tell you. You came across hostile. That's.

[Megan Morant]

You know, I think you were just lost in Dominic's eyes.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow. Yes. Great eyes. But are his eyes going to be reflecting back at him with the intercontinental championship on the other side?

[Megan Morant]

You hope so.

[Sam Roberts]

I do. I was taken aback. I was taken back many times in that interview. His penta take, I mean, ridiculously took me back. I thought we were going to take a trip down memory lane of lucha history, like legit. I really thought. I was like, oh, I'm just going to tell you, I thought, this will make a great clip. Dom seriously talking about lucha history, and then he's talking about penta having, well, sweaty butt cheeks. But. But I was also taken aback by this idea that first of all, that he thought I knew firefighter training.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, we. We don't know that here.

[Sam Roberts]

I don't know that I do this. This is what all I do.

[Megan Morant]

But if a fire breaks out, we are screwed.

[Sam Roberts]

We're done.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, it's over.

[Sam Roberts]

If there's a smallest fire over there, I go. Megan.

[Megan Morant]

Which there are a Lot of outlets and a lot of wires.

[Sam Roberts]

We're going down with the ship. What can I tell you? Start playing your violin any week. We're going down. You're coming with us. So. So I do find it difficult to believe that Dominic would pull. Pull Finn Balor on top of him. I don't know. Do you think he said it himself? Every time I think this is Dominic's moment. Let's talk seriously. Every time I think this is Dominic's moment, I look at Bron Breaker and I go, how?

[Megan Morant]

Anybody?

[Sam Roberts]

First of all, last week, like last week, he didn't spear. He pole vaulted his body into Carlito. He did it again today, but this time into Dominic and into Carlito. I mean, his. He goes so high up in the air. He just, I mean, it's, it's like.

[Megan Morant]

A, it's hard to believe that there was one time in your life when you questioned whether it was the best spear in the business.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, I'm not going to sit here. I mean, we just saw our tribal chief spear CM Punk. I, you know, look at Bron Breaker. There's no reason to compare. Comparison is the thief of joy.

[Megan Morant]

All right?

[Sam Roberts]

And I won't allow you to steal my joy any longer. So, Morant. So, so. But I mean, it's a pretty amazing spear.

[Megan Morant]

It's unbelievable.

[Sam Roberts]

When I saw him gearing up to spear Penta, I go, just looking at his face, I go, how do I think he's not going to win? How do I think anything except he's leaving with the intercontinental title. Penta avoided the spear and had, I mean, some amazing offense of his own. But I don't know, I just. Do you think, in all seriousness, tracking, as you were talking about, and we were to commit, seriously, tracking the career of Dominik Mysterio, he's, I believe I want to say. Oh, and for WrestleMania right now. Yeah, including last year, the tag match, Owen 4 at WrestleMania. Do you think that streak continues or do you think it could. That I could get what I want, do you think? Because like I said, we're going to be doing recaps after both nights of WrestleMania and we're getting the intercontinental title match on Sunday. Do you think? Sunday, who are you going to have to put up with the gloating, celebratory, energetic Sam or the sullen, depressed, sad Sam?

[Megan Morant]

I think it's going to be the sullen, depressed, sad Sam. Just because I don't see how anybody can really overcome Bron Breaker.

[Sam Roberts]

You think, well, okay, my only thing is fatal 4 way he doesn't have to be a part of the decision. I know now part of that makes me go like, okay, maybe I could pin somebody else. But then do I Want to leave WrestleMania with Bron Breaker mad at me? Not really.

[Megan Morant]

Look, I would love to see Dominic as Intercontinental Champion. I mean, we talked about iconic WrestleMania moments with Dominick. His entrance being one. I think him becoming Intercontinental Champion, this version of him after the ride we've been on with Dominic, the character evolution from prison Dom to mommy's boyfriend to Live's boyfriend to part of the Judgment Day, I would absolutely love to see it happen. I just, I mean, he told us what's going to happen if it's him and Finn in the ring.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, what about that? What about the first Universal champion? What about the guy who I think is forgotten way too much, somebody who's been on Raw recap as well. What about Finn Balor? What about the fact that this is a people forget? This is a globally renowned world champion level superstar. This is a guy who was made in professional wrestling before he even stepped foot in wwe. And then he just raised the stakes.

[Megan Morant]

But this is the thing about Finn Balor. He can remind you in an instant.

[Sam Roberts]

And who's to say he doesn't pick this weekend as the instant?

[Megan Morant]

That's right.

[Sam Roberts]

Right.

[Megan Morant]

That's right. I mean, we even saw last week, everything that's going on. Oh, forgot about Finn.

[Sam Roberts]

Right?

[Megan Morant]

Here's Finn Ballard to make a statement then.

[Sam Roberts]

And generally when people forget about Finn, it's the biggest mistake they ever make.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow. I think that another match that I'm looking forward to. We kind of saw it sprinkled into Monday Night Raw was of course Logan Paul and AJ Styles.

[Megan Morant]

So I just say the Pulverizer is awesome.

[Sam Roberts]

It is awesome. But you know what? The phenomenal forearm is great. The Styles clash is revolutionary. All right. I thought that first of all, big shout out to Karrion Kross. Karrion Kross spent a good amount of time on Raw absolutely dominating AJ Styles. The tricks up this guy's sleeve, showing up to Raw not only with his AJ Styles hair.

[Megan Morant]

I was just about to say the.

[Sam Roberts]

Hair with his gear. He doesn't wear long boys. No, he wears trunks. He showed up with. He showed up with like the, the. The dark side of AJ Styles type of carrying cross tights on. He's got. He has this so interesting cult leader like manipulation where he mirrors you, but in a negative way. Trying to, I think slowly get into the crevices of your brain and influencing you, without you knowing, into becoming the worst version of yourself. I don't know why a person would do that.

[Megan Morant]

And it seems like there are instances where it's kind of worked.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I mean, he's amazing, he's a wizard.

[Megan Morant]

And it's a tall task. Right. Like, I can only imagine that it's not very comfortable going into the squared circle in this gear that you are not comfortable wrestling in.

[Sam Roberts]

Probably. Right. And having a whole match and dominating most of the match. Of course, AJ Styles is A.J. styles seven days a week. I mean, this is, this is a wrestler that we're going to tell generations about later. This is AJ Styles and he's still wrestling at the level that he's wrestling at. I think that this is the perfect opponent for somebody like Logan Paul to have at WrestleMania who for some reason is like, yeah, I'm a full time guy, I'm a great wrestler. And it's like, okay, I. What could you say that?

[Megan Morant]

He's like, I accomplish more in a week than any of you do in a lifetime. Doing what all of the things that he does.

[Sam Roberts]

But they're wrestlers, they don't do all the things. They wrestle. They wrestle more in a week than he does in a year. So what difference does it make? I'm going to tell you something, that.

[Megan Morant]

He'S so good at this.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, great.

[Megan Morant]

So superior, cool at this that he, he does. He doesn't need to.

[Sam Roberts]

I got this little rule of thumb in life, people who are really doing amazing things generally don't have to tell you because you're already aware. They certainly don't have to make video resumes before they show up on Raw. Okay. They don't have to sit there and go like, hey, I'm Logan Paul. Look how much I've done. And here's my video resume. No, if they were that great, we would know. We wouldn't have to see a video resume. And then he gets it and there's almost no wrestling on the video resume.

[Megan Morant]

No, of course not. He's, he's well versed.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, look, a lot of ventures. Listen, listen, he hydrates with the best of them. I can't believe the way this guy hydrates.

[Megan Morant]

Hey, Jay, USO took a prime with him.

[Sam Roberts]

This prime, it's in my house all the time. That doesn't mean he could beat AJ Styles in a wrestling match. Now, look, there were some distractions. Carrying Cross was there distracting. Logan does have the ability to land that punch. Knocks out AJ Styles, holds him up like Nubbins in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, that's a deep cut. And then Paul Verizer, which to your point, Meg, and you're right again, it's a fabulous finishing move.

[Megan Morant]

As much as I despise Logan Paul, he is so talented and he is.

[Sam Roberts]

So good at this, I'm going to be furious if he beats AJ Styles.

[Megan Morant]

I think all of Las Vegas will be good.

[Sam Roberts]

Well, then we're all gonna be very mad. But if, and I'm tell you something, WrestleMania After Dark, that night is going to be a bummer because me and all my friends, we're not going to feel like partying will be there, cuz it's cool. But we'll be really angry.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah, Logan Paul has that effect. Everything he does makes people angry.

[Sam Roberts]

It makes you angry.

[Megan Morant]

You hate watch, but I do hate watch.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm sitting there, oh, let me watch this reality show. Oh, I can't stand this guy. Okay, I'll watch another episode.

[Megan Morant]

Oh, let me watch this clip on social media. I can't stand him, but I'll watch another one.

[Sam Roberts]

Oh, my God.

[Megan Morant]

We keep clicking.

[Sam Roberts]

We gotta stop clicking. You know, make him go away. These video resumes are driving me crazy. We heard from Rhea Ripley. Bianca Belair, Iyo, sky, my girl, yo.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

All different perspectives. Okay. Bianca coming from a place where she felt like she earned it, and she did. She won the elimination chamber, but very focused on Rhea Ripley. I mean, she talked about EO but very focused on her grudge that she's got with Rhea Ripley. Interesting perspective that I like your take on from Rhea Ripley, because you've been a little bit critical of Ria's behavior leading up to this match.

[Megan Morant]

I have.

[Sam Roberts]

And Rhea basically saying that, look, EO kind of, you know, was a little manipulative, getting herself a women's championship match. Rhea made the mistake of saying, yes.

[Megan Morant]

Ria gave it to her.

[Sam Roberts]

But yo did attack her, got mad.

[Megan Morant]

About it, but that's because Ria interfered in her elimination chamber qualifying match.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow. So Ria said, okay, I made that mistake. I'm not going to make it again. As a matter of fact, why don't I play from your own playbook and put Adam Pearce in the same position again where now he's got to put me in the match. And she did. I mean, you could say she didn't qualify for the match. You could also say you're supposed to work smarter, not harder. And maybe it's time that Ria figured that out.

[Megan Morant]

And I think that's. That's a good sign for Rhea Ripley because We talked about last week on Raw Recap how emotional Rhea Ripley has been.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And I think her going to Adam Pierce and finding a way to get put in this match, she's realizing the impact that her emotions have had on her. And now she's starting to show us she's shifting towards business. Needs to find a way to WrestleMania. She's going. It's the triple threat match. But don't overlook Iyo Sky. And I hope that Rhea has learned that lesson.

[Sam Roberts]

I know there's no way they both overlook every single week.

[Megan Morant]

Every week.

[Sam Roberts]

There's nothing that's told me that either Bianca or Ria has learned that lesson. No, it's a terrible thing to not have learned. But Iyo came on confident as ever, and I thought IYO made maybe the best point of all.

[Megan Morant]

I have what all of you want.

[Sam Roberts]

But I think she's also got this awareness that, like, in order for her reign to be taken as seriously as it should be, she has to win. This is. It's her title to lose now. And everybody's been making it all about Bianca and Rhea and the match and all this stuff. And we haven't sat there and allowed EO's title reign to just exist. I think Iyo is in the position which a lot of times champions aren't. I think Iyo finds herself in a must win position. I think if IO loses the title at WrestleMania, it's almost like, was that a dream or did it really happen?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah. And if she loses the title, I think to your point, you kind of forget about the title reign because none of us even expected IYO to be the champion heading into wrestling.

[Sam Roberts]

I mean, think about it. If Rhea Ripley wins the women's championship at WrestleMania, did she ever lose it? You know what I mean? She did. But did she? It's a good point, you know, and that's tough.

[Megan Morant]

So who has the most to lose in this is it?

[Sam Roberts]

I think it's IO, which is why Wild? Because she's the champ.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

But I think it's IO because I think that when you look at Bianca and Ria, it's like anyone can lose on any given night. And Bianca and Ria are two of the best women to ever compete in a WWE ring. I mean, EO is too.

[Megan Morant]

Now, who has the most to gain, I think is also eo.

[Sam Roberts]

That's fair.

[Megan Morant]

She has the most to gain and the most to lose.

[Sam Roberts]

Now Bianca is in an interesting spot too, because she's finally getting out of wrestling as a tag and wants to remind People how good she is as a singles, so there is that to gain. But I do think you're right. I think EO gains more. You really. EO's your pick for this one. Yeah, she is. I mean, brain or heart? Yours.

[Megan Morant]

Heart, for sure. Brain. I need to really filter through and give you a more articulate answer on Saturday, but, yeah, I want EO to win this championship.

[Sam Roberts]

Who do you think the fans cheer for? Boo for?

[Megan Morant]

I think the fans cheer for EO and Ria, and I think they boo Bianca.

[Sam Roberts]

Wow. Which is wild.

[Megan Morant]

I know.

[Sam Roberts]

Nuts. I mean, listen, who do you think.

[Megan Morant]

They cheer before.

[Sam Roberts]

They'Re cheering eo?

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

It's so tough to.

[Megan Morant]

They're not booing Ria.

[Sam Roberts]

It's not gonna happen. There's just something.

[Megan Morant]

I mean, they have to boo something.

[Sam Roberts]

And by the way, they should kind of.

[Megan Morant]

They should be booing Ria, but you can't. I know.

[Sam Roberts]

It's too. I mean, you just see, you're just so happy to see her, and the.

[Megan Morant]

Music hits and she does the. The stomp and. Yeah, it's electric every time.

[Sam Roberts]

It really is.

[Megan Morant]

But then Bianca, she comes out, she's on her own against the world. I mean, it. She. It's hard to not cheer for Bianca.

[Sam Roberts]

Of course, she's somehow relatable, even though she's more athletic than all of us in that stadium combined.

[Megan Morant]

If we take out the cool factor, like, if Rio wasn't so cool, I would be like, we gotta boo her.

[Sam Roberts]

She's cool.

[Megan Morant]

But she's.

[Sam Roberts]

And IO's cool. And Bianca's pretty cool, too. Well, we can look cool at least. I'm gonna look cool.

[Megan Morant]

I'm gonna look cool.

[Sam Roberts]

I got my WrestleMania 41 gear. I got my WrestleMania 41 gear already.

[Megan Morant]

You packed?

[Sam Roberts]

I already got the gear.

[Megan Morant]

Let's go.

[Sam Roberts]

I'm not waiting till I get there. I'm getting it now. You can get WrestleMania 41 gear right now on WWE Shop. They've got it all. They're coming out with new T shirts all the time. They just put out. I saw in WWE Shop the match specific match T shirts for each of the big matches at WrestleMania. Not only that, you can get all the new John Cena Las Vegas merch.

[Megan Morant]

Did you get yours already?

[Sam Roberts]

Not yet. I want to get it in person because that's. That's. That. That's. It's. It's almost ceremonial, but. But should the store sell out or something like that? I'll be right on. WWE Shop, they have the last time is now T shirt. These are in black. They're Vegas themed. They got the shirt, the hat, they got the wristbands. If you were quick, you could have gotten the championship. I don't know if that's still up, but you got to go check all the John Cena, Las Vegas last time is now merch, as well as all the WrestleMania 41 merch. And, and, you know, CM Punk gear, Stone cold Steve Austin gear. It's all available on WWE Shop. So go check all of that out because WrestleMania is going to be a huge weekend. Like I said earlier, we are going to be there covering everything. Boots on the ground in Las Vegas, Nevada. If I could tear Meghan Morant away from the slot machines, she will be there.

[Megan Morant]

The sports book.

[Sam Roberts]

That's right. Analyzing everything. Saturday night will be in. In. In the stadium. Coming off of Saturday night, we'll have a recap podcast. Coming off of Sunday night, we'll have a recap podcast. Next Monday, Raw After WrestleMania, we'll have a Raw recap podcast. So Saturday, we've got the triple threat match. We got Jay and Gunther. We got Tiffany and Charlotte. We have La Knight and Jacob Fatu. A ton of matches Sunday. Not only do we have AJ and Logan, not only do we have the fatal four way for the intercontinental title, not only do we have our triple threat that we just talked about with Ria IO and Bianca, John Cena and Cody Rhodes, which, I mean, if we were doing a Smackdown recap, we could do 20 minutes easy on Cody's breakdown of the championship titles that were in the ring with him, spinner belt included, by the way. Cody showed love to the spinner.

[Megan Morant]

And you are a spinner belt hater.

[Sam Roberts]

I was there for the spinner belt hate. And as I said on my Not Sam podcast, I think there are kids that grew up with the spinner belt that. That's their belt.

[Megan Morant]

You do. Do you respect the spinner belt? Cody respects the spinner belt.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, I respect. I respect it for the era that it represents.

[Megan Morant]

Okay.

[Sam Roberts]

But I'm not going to pretend that when the spinner belt came out, I.

[Megan Morant]

Wasn'T like, you know what I love about everything that has gone on in Cena and Cody? This build to mania. It's. It's done such a good job of telling us the history.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Of the business.

[Sam Roberts]

And I love the championship and how.

[Megan Morant]

Yes.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

And I loved the segment on smackdown.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah.

[Megan Morant]

Where Cody is in the ring and he has all of the championships laid out and the way that he told us what they meant, it was outstanding.

[Sam Roberts]

Which is so great. Too. Because there's a time honored tradition that when it's time to go, you go out on your back and you. You give everything you can to the business. You go out on your back and you fade away. What if John Cena was the one guy that was like, nah, I'm not gonna go out on my back and John Cena. And I'm gonna take it with me. Of all people.

[Megan Morant]

Of all people. You would never in a million years have said that. He's the one who's going to do that.

[Sam Roberts]

Right? Right now, the night before WrestleMania, we got the hall of Fame. The big announcements came down. This is always exciting to find out who is inducting the different people going into the hall of Fame. Of course, in the hall of Fame, we're getting the Natural Disasters, we're getting Lex Luger, we're getting Michelle McCool, we're getting Bret Hart versus Steve Austin. We're getting Triple H. But the inductors were announced. Not a surprise to me, I don't think, but a pleasant announcement. Shawn Michaels inducting Triple H. It could not be more perfect.

[Megan Morant]

I loved his tweet. I had to say, yes, he's my boss. Great.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really is amazing. You talk about history.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

And like going through the history of the business and everything. Like, Triple H and Shawn Michaels are cosmically linked in wrestling and together are so responsible for the show that we see today. It's. I love. I love seeing that.

[Megan Morant]

And how about the fact that they surprise Triple H telling him he's going to get into the hall of Fame.

[Sam Roberts]

That they were the ones to do it. Him and the Sean and the Undertaker.

[Megan Morant]

Great.

[Sam Roberts]

And the Undertaker will be there as well. The Undertaker is inducting Michelle McCool, of course. The Undertaker is married IRL to Michelle McCool, and he'll be inducting her, which I love. I mean, just any sort of.

[Megan Morant]

You're. You love romance.

[Sam Roberts]

I love love.

[Megan Morant]

Yeah.

[Sam Roberts]

I love love. What can I tell you what's not? I love love. And I love wrestling and I love love in wrestling. And we get to see this at the hall of Fame. Plus we. I love the Undertaker. So that's all three things all combined. Perfect. Perfect. We have Diamond Dallas Page inducting Lex Luger, which I think is really great, not only because of the shared history that they have together in wcw, but because Diamond Dallas Page, through his ddpy, you know, is formerly known DP Yoga, has. Has helped Lex and so countless other wrestlers over the years, but. But has been. He's been such a big part of kind of the rebuilding of. Of Lex Luger and Lex getting this second wind where not only can he be appreciated, but Lex can be in a place where he can appreciate it back.

[Megan Morant]

I'm looking forward to. To hearing from Lex because you and I had the chance to talk to him a little over a year ago, right?

[Sam Roberts]

Yes.

[Megan Morant]

And he was. Yes, he was phenomenal.

[Sam Roberts]

Yes.

[Megan Morant]

So much insight. And he's. He seems to be in a very good place.

[Sam Roberts]

Amazing guy. Amazing guy. And then, of course, this was really fun for me, the announcement that Bret Hart versus Stone Cold Steve Austin going into the hall of Fame. One of the best matches of all time. The very first immortal moment going into the hall of Fame. And it's CM Punk that's inducting Bret Hart versus Steve Austin. Of all the things for CM Punk to get to do, I mean, you would think that at a certain point, the idea of you being a kid living out your dreams is over. Like, everything is still exciting, but you've done everything you wanted to do as a kid. On the same weekend, CM Punk finally gets to main event WrestleMania for the first time ever.

[Megan Morant]

Like that would have been enough, right?

[Sam Roberts]

And gets to induct Stone Cold Steve Austin and Brett the Hitman Hart into the hall of Fame. In the context of that match at WrestleMania 13, which anybody who's a wrestling fan on the level of CM Punk knows the impact and the importance of that match. And. And I mean, it's no secret the influence that Stone Cold Steve Austin had on CM Punk. You know, there's a photo that makes the rounds online every six months or so of CM Punk as a kid taking a picture with Stone Cold. It's the fantasy match that everybody has had forever. Austin versus Punk. The impact that Brett the Hitman Hard has had on CM Punk. I mean, multiple times CM Punk has worn wrestling gear inspired by Brett the Hitman Hardy wears Bret Hart hoodies. I mean, everything he can do to pay homage, he's. He's designed matches in tribute to specific Brett the Hitman Heart matches. So to see Punk get to induct Hart in Austin, I think it's going to be a real thrill. I can't wait to see the hall of Fame.

[Megan Morant]

The hall of Fame. I mean, you just listed this. It doesn't get bigger or better than this.

[Sam Roberts]

Yeah, well, I can't wait to get out to Vegas. I can't wait to be there. To recap everything for you guys, make sure that you're subscribed across all audio platforms. Make sure that you're checking us out on YouTube and hitting and leaving comments and telling all your friends about how this is just the greatest wrestling podcast that you've ever heard in your life. We will see you later this week after night one and then night two of WrestleMania from Las Vegas. Thank you, everybody.