The Vision IMPLODE at the hands of Bron Breakker: Raw Recap, Oct. 13, 2025

Summary

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Raw Recap with Sam Roberts & Megan Morant

Episode: The Vision IMPLODE at the Hands of Bron Breakker

Date: October 13, 2025

WWE x Fanatics Podcasts

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers on the seismic events from the latest Monday Night Raw on Netflix, specifically the shocking implosion of The Vision when Bron Breakker turned on Seth Rollins in Perth, Australia. Sam and Megan dissect the betrayal, the new number one contender, Dominik Mysterio’s big win, and all the major storylines and ramifications throughout the Raw episode. Their passionate, humorous take provides background context, emotional reactions, and speculative deep-dives into where WWE stories go next.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Vision Implodes: Bron Breakker Betrays Seth Rollins

• Raw opens with The Vision (Seth Rollins, Bron Breakker, Bronson Reed, Paul Heyman) in the ring.

  • Sam: “We didn’t even realize this through line was happening. Like Sixth Sense—you see it in hindsight.” [01:14]
  • Megan notes she didn’t expect a betrayal this soon or Bron Breakker’s spear tonight: “Didn’t have that on my bingo card.” [01:33]

• Seth’s On-Camera Ego and “I Don’t Need Anybody” Speech

  • Rollins claims he’s never needed help, reinforcing he’s “the GOAT,” dismissing contributions from Heyman, Breakker, and Reed.
  • Megan: “As soon as Seth said, ‘I don’t need anybody... I don’t need Bron Breakker,’ Bron’s whole demeanor changed.” [06:21]
  • Sam: “He doesn’t like to be underappreciated... If this ain’t a two-way street, I don’t think it’s the one I’m driving on.” [06:48]

• Backstage Pep Talk & Tensions

  • Rollins tries to rally his group, calling seeing them succeed a “top three moment” of his life behind marriage and fatherhood.
  • Megan: “The rate that you two have grown—wow. We’re gonna go places.” [07:39]

• The Triple Threat Develops

  • CM Punk wins a triple threat to become number one contender.
  • Meanwhile, Bron Breakker’s presence is described as heightened and dominant during post-match chaos, setting up growing animosity.

• THE MOMENT

  • After the main event, The Vision stands united in the ring. Suddenly, Bron Breakker spears Seth Rollins.
  • Sam (reacting live): “Seth Rollins steps forward and Bron Breakker Spears Seth Rollins out of whatever expensive shoes Seth Rollins was wearing... I thought they were stronger than ever!” [10:05]
  • Bronson Reed and Heyman appear stunned. Reed ultimately joins Breakker in attacking Rollins—Heyman hesitantly but ultimately raises both their arms.

• Heyman Drama

  • Megan: “Here’s the thing about Heyman. He always takes the winner’s side... That’s a risky situation.” [11:33]
  • Sam: “He likes control. Paul... looks out of control. I think Paul Heyman was not ready for this move and had to think on his feet.” [13:06]

2. Dissecting the Betrayal: Was This in the Making?

• Long-term Frustrations

  • Seth’s recent preoccupations with Cody Rhodes and Becky Lynch vs. Vision business have driven a rift.
  • Megan: “Seth was so distracted, so in his own world, that even when Becky Lynch was backstage... Seth couldn’t give her an ounce of attention.” [18:20]

• Bron Breakker’s Mindset

  • “Who wants to be the future when you think you’re the present?” — Sam, on Breakker’s leap from protege to top player. [19:41]
  • Speculation about whether seeds were planted for weeks, or the disrespect from Seth’s words catalyzed the split.

• Leadership Questions

  • Is Seth a good leader?
    • Megan wonders if Paul Heyman was ever truly trusted by Rollins. Sam posits Seth kept Heyman at a distance, unlike Roman or Brock. [25:34]

• Is This Too Soon?

  • Megan asks, “Is this too soon for Bron Breakker? Too soon to disrupt the Vision?”
  • Sam: “No, I don’t think so... Everything changed today.” [24:37-25:23]

3. The Fallout: Who’s Good, Who’s Bad, and Who Leads?

• No More Clear-Cut Good vs. Evil

  • Sam: “It was easy to cheer the good guys, boo the bad. Now the good guys don’t get along... all these bad guys don’t get along either.” [20:24]

• CM Punk as Number One Contender

  • Megan: “Punk becomes number one contender, right, immediately after the Vision comes out. Wild speculation: any chance Punk maybe talked to Bron Breakker?” [21:47]
  • Sam and Megan debate (and mostly reject) a possible secret Punk-Breakker-Heyman alliance.

• Who Do Fans Root For?

  • “There’s been no reason to cheer for Seth Rollins... None. But also, the same can be said for the Vision.” — Sam [22:16]

• Jey Uso’s Place

  • Sam and Megan empathize with Jey’s ongoing struggle between family loyalty (helping Jimmy) and solo championship ambitions.
  • Notable: “You can only judge your success by your own standards.” — Sam [30:52]
  • Sam draws a relatable moment to tag team legacy: “The Usos are on the road to being the greatest tag team of all time.” [34:32]

4. Other Major Raw Events

• Dominik Mysterio Retains Intercontinental Title

  • Megan (ribbing): “Today I was thinking about showing up to work with a neck tattoo.” [36:41]
  • Sam: “Dominik’s got it. If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.” — on Dom using tactics to defeat Penta. [39:21]
  • Discussion on Dom’s lineage and “bad hombre” persona.

• Women’s Division

  • Rhea Ripley and IYO SKY share a memorable in-ring confrontation (“dual pointing meme”).
  • Kyrie Sane’s increasing aggression—despite a “dictatorship” with Asuka—is discussed:
    • Megan: “Kyrie, if she really was as scared as she plays, she would run away. But today she ran away and came back with a kendo stick.” [46:21]
  • All agree this develops the women’s division at the main-event level.

5. Paul Heyman's Odyssey

• Sam and Megan explore Heyman’s loss of control since being powerbombed at MSG, losing the Bloodline, switching allegiances, and now being caught off guard again:
  • “Everything changed for Paul the moment he got powerbombed at Madison Square Garden.” — Megan [57:34]
  • “Roman’s loss didn’t affect Bron Breakker. It affected him positively.” — Sam [59:20]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sam on Seth’s leadership:
  "I think Seth Rollins has been displaying poor leadership qualities since at least this match with Cody Rhodes was announced. Maybe since Clash in Paris." [16:49]

• Sam on Bron Breakker’s confidence:
  “It’s almost like when your kid comes to the realization that they can beat you up so you can’t tell them what to do anymore.” [15:08]

• Megan on Heyman’s neutrality:
  “Heyman looking horrified—I mean, that’s sort of a neutral reaction, right? Of course I take sides.” [11:33]

• Sam on the moment of betrayal:
  “Seth Rollins steps forward and Bron Breakker Spears Seth Rollins out of whatever expensive shoes Seth Rollins was wearing.” [10:05]

• Sam on tag team wrestling:
  “You’d look at [the Hardys or Dudleys] and go, like, I want to be like you. That’s what it is with the Usos—they’re on the road to being the greatest tag team of all time.” [34:32]

• On Dominik’s tattoo:
  Megan: “Today I was thinking about showing up to work with a neck tattoo.” [36:41]
  Sam: “Dominik’s got it. If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.” [39:21]

• Sam on blurred morality:
  “There’s been no reason to cheer for Seth Rollins... But also, the same can be said for the Vision.” [22:16]

• Megan (after the betrayal):
  “I’m shook, as do the kids... shooketh.” [49:46]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Vision Betrayal Discussion: 00:01 – 22:00
• Rollins’ Leadership Critique: 16:38 – 18:20
• Jey Uso & Tag Team Discussion: 29:49 – 35:33
• Dominik Mysterio Wins/Neck Tattoo Era: 36:41 – 42:22
• Women’s Division (Kyrie, Rhea, IYO, Asuka): 44:01 – 48:17
• Heyman’s Loyalty and Powerbomb Origin: 57:03 – 58:44
• Final Thoughts & Fallout Speculation: 49:46 – 56:40

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Flow & Takeaways

Sam and Megan’s reactions mirror the audience’s shock and confusion. They analyze the seeds that led to the Vision’s implosion, debate who’s truly to blame, and marvel at WWE’s now-muddled lines between good and bad. They thread in humor and WWE insider knowledge, making the recap both cathartic and analytical for fans.

Whether debating Paul Heyman’s divided loyalties, parsing if this is Bron Breakker’s time, or gushing over Dominik’s neck tattoo, the show is energetic and irreverent. The hosts’ mutual ribbing and “wrestling therapy” tone capture WWE’s unpredictability as star alignments and championship pictures shift overnight.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• If you missed the show, the major story is Bron Breakker turning on Seth Rollins, possibly taking over as the Vision crumbles.
• CM Punk is the new number one contender, but the title and power structure are in flux.
• The fallout affects the entire roster—from Paul Heyman’s place in things, to women’s main-eventers, to the surging tag division.
• The episode is filled with big questions: Who are fans supposed to root for? Can Rollins recover? Who controls WWE now—and for how long?

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Recommended listening if you want both the play-by-play and emotional pulse of a RAW episode that changed everything.

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Transcript

[Sam]

The Vision betrayed Seth Rollins. It just happened in Perth, Australia. Oh, yeah. And we have a new number one contender and a mega victory for Dominik Mysterio and so much more. This is the Raw recap of WWE and Fanatics original production. All right, Megan, I was ready to kind of come in and go like, okay, let's. Let's talk some more about Crown Jewel and ease into what happened on Monday Night Raw.

[Megan]

Ease into the day, ease into the week, ease into the morning. We have wrestling on at 8am today.

[Sam]

You know how stressful it is to be sitting there just having a little smear on a bagel. And the Vision betrays Seth Rollins. Do you know the type of stress that I carry through the day when something that literally changes everything happens right in front of our face before? I mean, it's ten o' clock in the morning.

[Megan]

How do you go on about your day?

[Sam]

Well, luckily, I have this and I have you, and we have everybody that we can. We can talk about all of this with, because I think I speak for both of us when I say we have feelings.

[Megan]

Oh, tons.

[Sam]

Good.

[Megan]

Tons of feelings.

[Sam]

All right, so let's get into this. Okay. All right. So this is a through line that played throughout Monday Night Raw tonight that we didn't even realize was happening. I guess in hindsight, maybe you do a little like Sixth Sense and you go, oh, he really was dead the whole time. But, like, while it was happening, no.

[Megan]

The only thing I'll disagree. I didn't think the turn was happening tonight. I didn't think the Vision, I didn't think Bron Breaker was going to spear Seth Rollins tonight. Didn't. Didn't have that on my bingo card. But it did stop me in my tracks when Seth Rollins said, I don't need anybody. I don't need Paul Heyman, I don't need Bron Breaker, I don't need Bronson Reed.

[Sam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Megan]

Did I think it was going to pay off tonight?

[Sam]

No. Well, I thought we were. Yeah. Breadcrumbs are breadcrumbs, right. And I was talking to somebody about it and I said, yes. Did I think that we were looking at what could eventually be Bron Breaker turning on Seth Rollins? Yeah. Maybe we'll get it by the end of the year. Maybe we'll get it early next year. I didn't think we were going to get it before lunchtime. And that's what. So we start the show right, and we have Division in the ring together, which already. And we need to get into this to figure out where the root of this lies, how long this has been a plan. If it was decided today, if it was decided yesterday, weeks ago, months ago.

[Megan]

We gotta go back frame by frame. We're going to wrestling therapy.

[Sam]

That's where we stay. So the Vision's in the ring together, and immediately I'm like, huh? You know, in this whole ramp up to Crown Jewel, we didn't really see the Vision together cohesively. We saw Brom Bray Baker and Bronson Reed and Paul Heyman working together. And we saw Seth Rollins distracted would be an understatement. By the Cody Rhodes match two weeks ago. When. When the Vision is in trouble, Seth Rollins is nowhere to be found because he's thinking about this Cody match. Last week we had. We. We broke the whole thing down. He's talking to Paul Heymon about, well, what if I can't beat him? Well, what if I can't beat him? Meanwhile, everybody else in the Vision is concerned with this other thing over here. And probably, honestly, Seth, have faith in you as the leader. Of course you can beat Cody Rhodes. Now let's. Let's get to business. So we see everything that happens at Crown Jewel. Cody. Cody Rhodes loses to Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins is a completely different person. We saw him pronounce himself as the goat at the end of this show, throwing Kathy Kelly out of the ring. He didn't want questions. He just says, I'm the goat. And then. And all this sort of tension and insecurity evaporates and Seth is Seth again. And he gets into the ring with the Vision and there's Seth and Paul Heyman and Bronson Reed and Bron Breakker. And Seth is explaining what makes him special, what makes him different, and that's the fact that he has never needed anybody. And I think beating Seth Rollins without Becky, without the Vision, without anybody, probably has given him this heightened sense of what he is capable of. And so he goes, not only does he, I've never needed anybody. He says, Roman Reigns needed the shield. He says, I still don't need anybody. He says, I don't need anybody in this ring. And I was just. I was with you. Like, whoa, whoa.

[Megan]

And now we remember before Crown Jewel and that match, we saw Paul Heyman backstage in the locker room with Bronson Reed and Bron Breakker and told Bron Braun to not go help Seth Rollins if he needed it in that match.

[Sam]

And we were thinking on the Crown Jewel recap podcast, we had this discussion. Was that a Heyman call? Was that a Seth call? Was that A Breaker call.

[Megan]

I mean, a few weeks ago on Raw, Seth Rollins was in the ring with Cody Rhodes. And Cody Rhodes asked him if he knew that Paul Heyman was working with Brock Lesnar. And Seth lied, I think.

[Sam]

You think?

[Megan]

I think. And said yes, because everything goes through him.

[Sam]

Yeah, I can think of one. I can think of one. You know what went through him? Bron Breaker's shoulder.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam]

And I don't think he was a part of that plan. So he.

[Megan]

I don't know if everything really did go through Seth.

[Sam]

Well, I can think. Yeah, I would say now, Yeah, I would say that there must have been something else working. But also maybe not based on the reactions at the end of the show. Right? Because you go, okay, so now he's. But then he kind of covers it, right? He goes, I don't need anybody in this ring. I chose them. And you go, okay. I guess it's a little insult sandwichy, you know what I mean? Like, oh, I insulted you. Just kidding. It's a compliment. It's like, well, I didn't really like the way you phrased that, you know? And so he says, I chose them. This is why I chose them. This is why they chose me, because I'm a visionary, etc. Etc. Except what did you notice was going on behind Seth while he was saying all this?

[Megan]

Well, Bron Breaker's body language completely changed.

[Sam]

It was not pleasant.

[Megan]

No. And I mean, this was earlier. Seth and him were having some fun. And Seth, you know, introduces Bron Breaker to Perth, Australia, and he's like, come on, do the thing. Do the. Do the thing. Do the thing you do before the spear is what? To our audio listeners who can't see the thing that's mimicking the thing, but they were kind of having some fun jostling together. But as soon as Seth said, I don't need anybody, I don't need Bron Breaker, Bron's whole demeanor changed.

[Sam]

He doesn't like to be underappreciated. No. You know, he works hard. And I think. And maybe that's it, right? It comes to a point where, like, Bron is like, I could be the future whenever I want, but I believe in you. Are you telling me you don't believe in me? Because if this ain't a two way street, I don't think it's the one I'm driving on. So then we go to the backstage, right after this thing happens, we go to the backstage and Seth is really amping up his guys. He says, like, these are his three Things. The birth of his child, his marriage to his wife, and watching these two grow. He says, make no mistake about it, that they are on the top of the mountain, that they are now breathing rarefied air, that they have made it. And he said, the crazy thing is, I think we're just now getting to the next level.

[Megan]

We're only six months into this.

[Sam]

I know.

[Megan]

At the rate that you two have grown, wow. We're going to go places.

[Sam]

He's proud of them. Yeah, right. And then we see our triple threat, which we will talk about momentarily. Well, maybe not. Well, we'll talk about it. CM Punk, new number one contender. I believe this was part of the Vision's plan. Here comes the Vision. Except. And tell me if I'm wrong. I felt like Bron Breakker, even coming to the ring for this was far more of an aggressor and leader than I'd seen him before. Jay USO immediately, remember what Roman said about Jay, that you need to go in and own the room that you're in.

[Megan]

Breaker did that, right.

[Sam]

I felt like maybe for the first time, he truly by himself owned it. When he first, like, decides to dash down and you're a runner, so you had to appreciate it because he went from zero to 60 getting down that.

[Megan]

Charles Robinson told us he was only running 80%. This was 120% of Bron Breaker speed. Yeah, just terrifying.

[Sam]

Terrifying. Goes right through Jey uso. Punk is in there waiting for him. Braun says, watch this. He tells Punk, watch this. Because he sees. He sees his prey from across the ring. He sees La Knight. He goes, no, no, just stay right there and watch. Just. I'm just going to do this real quick, so just watch it. He calls his shot. He takes it and nails it. Just runs around the ring, spears La Knight. So now you've got La Knight out, Jay USO out. Not that they necessarily would have helped CM Punk anyway, because they're not exactly best buds. And then Braun, Bronson Reed gets in the ring, creates the distraction. But Punk is taking on, taking him on. Brad Bron Breaker gets in the ring. Punk is ready for him. Goes to. And then here comes Bronson Reed. Now the numbers game. And immediately Bronson Reed and Bron Breaker just take out CM Punk. And Seth Rollins is laughing at him. And Seth Rollins is in the ring with all that plaid. And Seth Rollins is. Is. He's got the World Heavyweight Championship. And he says, this will never be yours. This will never be yours. This will never be yours. And at the end, Punk is there and he's. And he's lying in a heap almost in a fetal position. And they kick him out of the ring. And then Heyman.

[Megan]

And don't forget, the credits came up.

[Sam]

I saw it. I saw it.

[Megan]

I said, okay, that's great.

[Sam]

That's it.

[Megan]

Monday Night Raw was great. I'm going to get on with my day.

[Sam]

And I tell you, I said, what's. And I said this. I said, you know what's interesting about that? Because I thought, I'm already, like, the wheels are turning. I'm thinking, this is the end of the show, so the wheels are turning of, like, what are we going to, like, point out on the recap? I go, you know what's interesting? I said to myself, this is like a rebirth of the Vision. That's what I said. I said, this is a rebirth of the Vision. Maybe stronger than they've ever been. This is what I said to myself, right? Because I go. I go, this image of Heyman and Bron Breaker and Bronson Reed and Seth Rollins all standing together at the end of this show, I go, very similar to the night that they first formed, when Bron Breaker and Seth Rollins and Paul Heyman before Bronson Reed was a part of it, stood in the ring on the Monday night Raw after WrestleMania altogether, I go, well, I'll tell you what, the future of this fact should. Oh, my God. Because all of a sudden, Seth Rollins steps forward and Bron Breakker Spears Seth Rollins out of whatever expensive shoes Seth Rollins was wearing. And I went, what now? Here I thought they were stronger than ever. And Bronson Reed. And I'm studying everybody, right? Bronson Reed is just kind of observing. He's not really emoting. I found. Heyman looks horrified. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And who knows? Was he horrified? And this is where we start questioning. Now we question everything.

[Megan]

Well, here's the thing about Heyman. He's taken the winner side. So Heyman looking horrified. I mean, that's a sort of a neutral reaction, right? Of course I take bronze side. Of course I take sides.

[Sam]

Well, he didn't know he would have to take a side. That's a very risky situation.

[Megan]

That's why you just look horrified, because I'm siding with the winner. So just.

[Sam]

Right. Look, hor you don't trust him at all, would you.

[Megan]

Do you blame me?

[Sam]

Well, no, but I'm the one he threw off the set. He was hanging out with you.

[Megan]

I learned. I learned from what? From what I see.

[Sam]

No, that's fine.

[Megan]

Fool me once, you know Shame on me.

[Sam]

Twice. Well, you can't fool me again.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam]

That's the whole point.

[Megan]

That's it.

[Sam]

So I think maybe you could be onto something. But also, was Heyman horrified because he knew this was an eventual plan, but didn't know it was the plan tonight? Maybe. Don't know. But he looks at Bronson Reed now Bron Breaker does, and Heyman is in between their two heads looking horrified. And he's like, basically saying, pick him or me, right? Now's the time. And Bronson Reed's like, okay. Just starts beating down Seth Rollins. Tsunami Seth Rollins. Which all of a sudden you go, oh, yeah, I remember. That is what Bronson Reed does to Seth Rollins.

[Megan]

Yeah. Bronson Reed has all the confidence in the world. He's like, I already took this guy out before, right?

[Sam]

And, you know, why do I need.

[Megan]

To be under him?

[Sam]

And guess what?

[Megan]

You're leaving. I'm leaving, too.

[Sam]

Right. Because guess what I did earlier this weekend, by the way, as well.

[Megan]

I pinned Roman Reigns.

[Sam]

I pinned Roman Reigns. Okay, Right.

[Megan]

Also, who else has Bronson Reed pinned in, like, the last six months? I believe Randy Orton as well. That's nuts.

[Sam]

And who is at Bronson Reed side when he pinned Roman? Bron Breaker, he knows Seth Rollins there. So then they look at Paul, and Paul's got a decision to make. And you're right. He knows who he's siding with. And in that moment, he looks horrified, he looks unsure, but he voluntarily grabs the wrist of Bron Breaker and Bronson Reed and raises their arms up. And in a year where it's all happened, one of the iconic endings to an episode of Monday Night Raw, Bron Breaker has taken the world title off the waist of Seth Rollins. And Paul Heyman is holding up the risks of Bronson Reed and Bron Breaker. But you look at Paul Heyman's face, he is in a spot where, yes, he's going to side with the winner. But also, Paul likes control. Paul likes to be in control of the situations that he's in. He likes to know what the next step is. And Paul, to me, looks out of control. He looks. And he's not that good of an actor. I think Paul, he deserves an Emmy. Yes, but is he that good of an actor? I don't know. He. It seems like Paul Heyman was not ready for this move and had to think on his feet in this instance. And look, he doesn't have the relationship with Seth that he had with Brock Lesnar or that he had with Roman Reigns or any of that I don't think that him and Seth are saying I love you to each other, but he said it to Roman Reigns. And so maybe it's not as difficult of a choice for Paul to make.

[Megan]

Yeah, I mean, Paul looks totally thrown off guard, which, as the oracle, as the wise man, I mean, there's few times, right, where Paul has been thrown off guard.

[Sam]

Yeah, he didn't prophesize this.

[Megan]

No. But I mean, Ron Breaker looks as confident as ever holding that World Heavyweight championship.

[Sam]

Yeah, like, he's made this. Like, he's made this call. And like, by the way, five minutes before this, this moment, there was already a new number one contender named CM Punk is the number one contender for the World Heavyweight title. But listen, when Bron Breaker, and I think this is almost something that, like, people were aware was going to happen eventually, but maybe they weren't sure when is that Brom Breaker has gotten himself to the point where he's realized his own strength. It's almost like when your kid comes to the realization that they can beat you up so you can't tell them what to do anymore. You know what I mean? You never want your kid to get there, to know. Like, no, I think I can. I think I could kick your ass. So I don't think I am gonna go to my room and you're going, oh, my God, I'm completely powerless against you. You figured the whole thing out. The whole thing was a schmazz from the beginning. It never made any sense. And I feel like that's what Bron Breaker has done. He's like, wait, why do you keep talking about the future? Why do you keep talking about years from now? Why do you keep talking about 10 years? Why don't we do this right now?

[Megan]

So do you think this was something Bron Breaker had been building towards? When you go back and you look at all the breadcrumbs, you go back frame by frame. Or is this something that Bron Breaker is so disrespected that Seth Rollins said, I don't need Bron Breakkerchief, that it lit something underneath him?

[Sam]

I mean, it's a great question. I think Braun Breaker, if I was Bron Breaker and I am not Braun.

[Megan]

Breaker, I can tell.

[Sam]

But if I. Well, okay, you didn't need to say it. If I was Bron Breaker, it's unnecessary. If I was Brom Breaker, I would have not been through. I think Seth Rollins has been displaying poor leadership qualities since at least since this match with Cody Rhodes was announced. Maybe since Clash in Paris.

[Megan]

Ever since the wife got involved, unfortunately. Yeah.

[Sam]

Because, look, on one end, it's been great. I've loved seeing. I love seeing Seth and Becky together.

[Megan]

I think it's amazing.

[Sam]

I loved the mixed tag match, but that wasn't vision business, you know what I mean? And especially coming off of that, leading to Crown Jewel, where he's been totally on a different planet, thinking about Cody.

[Megan]

Rhodes staring at the watch off in space.

[Sam]

Right. And if you're Bron Breaker, if you really are the future, then that means you have to have leadership qualities. And that means you have to respect other people's leadership qualities. And if a person that you are considering a leader does not display those qualities, well, guess what? You're an Alpha. If you're sitting there and somebody is the leader, and you're like, you know what? I could take this from them, and there's nothing they could do about it, how do you maintain that respect? So I think over the course of the last month, at least I would imagine Braun was probably having those feelings. Cause we've brought that up many times that Seth has been separated from the vision.

[Megan]

Yeah. We've always pointed out that it's been Bron. Bron and Paul Heyman.

[Sam]

Right. And then I think.

[Megan]

And it was Seth and Becky for a while, and then it was just Seth.

[Sam]

Right.

[Megan]

I mean, Seth was so distracted, so in his own world, that even when Becky lynch was backstage in the locker room going on about how she lost to Maxine, she was gonna go to Adam Pierce, how she's not to Australia, Seth couldn't give her an ounce of attention.

[Sam]

He didn't know any of it had happened.

[Megan]

No.

[Sam]

I think. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think that. That all of that combined with tonight, Seth saying, I don't need Bronson. I don't need. I don't need Bron Breaker. I don't need Bronson. Reed is like. That's when it's like, okay, we're not. We're not doing this. We're not doing the. I'm your loyal soldier. I'm just here to sit under the branch of the learning tree. Like, I'm the man, dude. Like, I can make it so that you can succeed. That's the whole point of this. But maybe it's time for me to go out on my own now.

[Megan]

We've all, you know, been on this journey with Bron Breaker since the beginning. I mean, his NXT days were so impressive. He comes up to the main roster and we all go, yep, yep, he's it. Yeah, he's it. I mean, he's in the Royal Rumble. We go, yep, he's it. I mean, he has moment after moment after moment. He joins the Vision and Seth Rollins, and none of us have any doubt in our mind that Bron Breakker is the future of the industry. I think all of us would say Bron Breaker is going to main event wrestlemanias. Is he the future right now?

[Sam]

Well, yeah, that's.

[Megan]

He believes he is.

[Sam]

Who wants to be the future when you think you're the present?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And I think that's where he's at. And you look at Seth Rollins, right, And he's on the ground, he's clutching those ribs. Who knows what kind of condition he's in. And, you know, I would imagine he's got to get some kind of medical treatment, but I don't even know if he has a good doctor. The nice thing is. And yeah, man, I think that maybe that's what it's all about, is when people keep telling you you're the future and it's time to hit the present. But look, I'm looking around, right, And I find it so unique that when I was growing up and I was watching wwe, it was really easy, especially as a kid. I cheer for the good guys, I boo the bad guys, right?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam]

All of a sudden, all those good guys that I would have cheered for, none of them get along with each other. They're now in a triple threat, and it's not a friendly triple threat, trying to determine who the world champion is. And I go, all these bad guys get along even better. No, because Bron Breakker spears Seth Rollins out of his shoes. And look, when Paul Heyman raised the hands of Bronson Reed and Bron Breakkerch, Perth went wild. But I think that the reason they went wild was because the moment that.

[Megan]

Was just there, it was shocking.

[Sam]

Right?

[Megan]

But I don't know how to feel.

[Sam]

Of course not. Because Seth Rollins, I don't know if.

[Megan]

I feel sympathy for Seth. I don't know if I'm happy with this new version of the Vision. I don't know.

[Sam]

Heyman, he doesn't know either. You know what I mean?

[Megan]

And then I think, okay, CM Punk, who everybody loves, of course he's the number one contender to Seth's title.

[Sam]

Is he? Because Bron Breaker was holding it up at the end of the show, but.

[Megan]

CM Punk won the match. He has to be the number one contender.

[Sam]

He got laid out.

[Megan]

But think about this, okay? It was brought up earlier in the night. It was brought up last Week too. Paul Heyman said, you know, he brought up the choice that he made at WrestleMania. How he chose Rollins over Roman Reigns and his best friend, CM Punk.

[Sam]

Yes.

[Megan]

Punk becomes number one contender right immediately after the Vision comes out.

[Sam]

Right.

[Megan]

This is a wild speculation. Completely wild.

[Sam]

I love wild speculation.

[Megan]

Is there any chance Punk maybe talk.

[Sam]

To Bron Breakker, Punk talk to Brom.

[Megan]

And then Paul Heyman's best friend in the world?

[Sam]

No.

[Megan]

Okay. I don't know. I'm just throwing. It's a wild speculation.

[Sam]

I mean, I would have Seth still.

[Megan]

Going to be a guy. We boo because he's a villain and we're just going to cheer CM Pun.

[Sam]

Well, I'm cheering CM Punk right now.

[Megan]

I am 100%.

[Sam]

I've been convinced not to boo Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins is still deserving of booze. You know why? Because he didn't come off the Cody win with any humility whatsoever. He came off the Cody win like a complete villain. I did it all by myself. I don't need anybody. I'm the only one who doesn't need anyone. I'm literally the greatest of all time. There's been no reason to cheer for Seth Rollins. None. But also the same can be said. I mean, although.

[Megan]

But there's no reason to cheer the Vision. I mean, you saw what Bronson Reed did to Roman Reigns.

[Sam]

No, except that you cheer for when cool stuff happens. And Braun Breaker and Brunson Reed do like really cool stuff.

[Megan]

Like stealing Roman Reigns shoes.

[Sam]

It wasn't that cool, but a lot.

[Megan]

Of people thought it was cool.

[Sam]

That was kind of cool. He got a T shirt out of it. Yeah. I mean, that's exactly.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam]

You know? Yes. When. When people. Look, the reason Roman Reigns got as much attention as he did is because he started beating everybody, stacking them up in triple threat matches.

[Megan]

Dominating and looking really cool doing it.

[Sam]

And guess what's happening now?

[Megan]

They're cheering for him.

[Sam]

But guess what's happening now with Bronson Reed and Bron Breakker?

[Megan]

They're doing cool stuff.

[Sam]

They're destroying everyone. Everyone. They're not lackeys, you know, and that's.

[Megan]

Bronson Reed is more than a muscle.

[Sam]

They're two people who easily could step forward and say, we are in the world heavyweight title picture.

[Megan]

Easily, no one would blink an eye.

[Sam]

No, because Brunson Reed pinned Roman Reigns.

[Megan]

Exactly.

[Sam]

And Bron Breaker is Bron Breaker. He's spearing everybody.

[Megan]

And we've all agreed he's the future, so why not now?

[Sam]

Right?

[Megan]

I just don't know.

[Sam]

You don't know what.

[Megan]

How do you feel about it?

[Sam]

Well, I mean, you feel about how you feel about it. You look at it, you witness it. You got no choice in the matter. You know, this wasn't on anybody's bingo card. And so I get, I get where you're coming from.

[Megan]

You see the breadcrumbs, right? We saw the body language change in Bron Breaker before.

[Sam]

They're not breadcrumbs. They were dropping full bagels.

[Megan]

We see the bangles dropped low. Breaker's whole demeanor change. And I am thinking at the time, I have months to process how I feel about this.

[Sam]

No, you don't.

[Megan]

Because a lot's gonna change with Bron Breakker in the time before he turns on Seth Rollins.

[Sam]

Right. What'd you write down there?

[Megan]

I wrote questions for Sam when I was watching this morning because I wanted to talk to you all about it, but I said we must save it for the show. Right, so you wrote the first question I wrote is, is this too soon?

[Sam]

Is this too soon? Meaning is it too soon for Bron Breaker? Is it too soon to disrupt the vision?

[Megan]

Both. I think it's a double question.

[Sam]

No, I don't think so. I don't think it's too soon because I think that they're. Because I don't think people really look at Bron Breaker as a one day scenario. I think people look at Bron Breaker. Look, I think if Bron Breaker is by Seth Rollins's side, then you're talking about him. Maybe he'll main event WrestleMania 43 or 44. As of today, he's in the conversation for 42. There's no way he's not. And you can't convince me he's not in the conversation for 42. Everything changed today.

[Megan]

Another question I wrote down. Is Rollins a good or bad guy? We just talked about that.

[Sam]

I mean, I say a bad guy who got beat up by a bad guy. I mean, good guys are getting beaten up by good guys. I don't know what to make of anything.

[Megan]

Do you think Rollins ever fully trusted Paul Heyman?

[Sam]

Well, that's a great question.

[Megan]

Thank you. I thought so too, because.

[Sam]

Because that's very good. You sound like Rollins. Because I didn't need anybody. I wrote it myself. Is it. Did Seth Rollins ever fully trust. I mean, I think that Seth Rollins deliberately kept Paul Heyman at an arm's length for that specific reason. I think Seth Rollins trusted Paul Heyman as far as he would allow Paul Heymon to get in, meaning other people that Paul Heyman has been with. He has been a part of their whole life. Roman Reigns, Brock Lesnar. You. I mean, you watch documentaries and you see this is not an on. Simply an on screen relationship with Seth. I don't think he let Paul Heyman get in that far. And I think that what ends up happening is Paul Heyman takes it. Could take that personally when it comes down to like, okay, well, something's happened here and I need to make a choice. Is Paul Heyman going to choose the guy who won't allow him fully into his sort of orbit? You know, Paul Heyman doesn't want to be one of the many moons orbiting a planet. He wants to inhabit the planet.

[Megan]

Also, Seth, really smart guy, in my opinion.

[Sam]

Wow.

[Megan]

You just look at the past, right? He's someone who's learned from the past. He's become obsessed with the past. He thinks, you know, there's a lot of baggage there with both CM Punk and Roman Reigns. CM Punk and Roman Reigns are both two of Seth's biggest rivals right now.

[Sam]

Yes.

[Megan]

Paul Heyman has a history with both of those men, and Seth knows that. And Seth, it feels like over the last six months, did a really good job of sort of using Paul Heyman to get the World Heavyweight Championship, to get the Money in the bank briefcase.

[Sam]

Yeah, but he didn't exactly stick the landing.

[Megan]

That's right. That's if Paul Heyman's involved. We don't know. So many questions.

[Sam]

So many questions. You hear that? That's not just a Toyota truck. That's the sound of no crowds, no alerts, no distractions, and no telling what you'll find next. You know, like a detour. So why would you ever take a tour? And you could take a detour. Toyota trucks.

[Megan]

Speaking of questions.

[Sam]

Oh, you have more questions?

[Megan]

I think I do have more. I just have a lot of notes here.

[Sam]

Well, a lot of thoughts. I love that you had to get it down.

[Megan]

Yeah, I had to write it all down. Punk. Punk is clearly a good guy. Unless Punk got to Heyman and Bron. Bron. That was my theory.

[Sam]

No, I don't think that's a good theory, but.

[Megan]

Oh, I also pointed out Seth keeps saying, greatest of all time.

[Sam]

Well, let's talk about CM Punk.

[Megan]

Okay, let's do it.

[Sam]

Because CM Punk gets out there and he wins this triple threat. But to me, I found this triple threat really fascinating because it wasn't like the fatal four way at Clash in Paris because there was this feeling that Jay was kind of a little bit of an odd man out because it felt like Punk and Knight both had this idea of, well, we're all just trying to beat up Seth. Right? And Jay was like, nah, fam. And I think that. And I think Jay was right. It's a fatal four way. It's not a. It's not a handicap match. And I think that this triple threat, the egos on Punk and Knight and Jay have all developed to the point that they're all at each other's throats. And this one felt like a much more aggressive match to me. This one felt like a much more every man for himself match to me. This one felt like maybe all three of them realized that they screwed up in the fatal four way, that they screwed up at Clash in Paris and that that's why none of them walked out with the world heavyweight title. And they needed to correct that.

[Megan]

Except Jey USO didn't exactly totally listen to his own advice earlier in the night. Yeah. Because earlier in the night he went out to help Jimmy uso.

[Sam]

You don't think big brother Jim can beat big headed Bronson Reed? That's what he said.

[Megan]

He did say that.

[Sam]

And I was like, I was like, bro, he did beat Roman Reigns. I mean, that's tough. But no, he did, man. And there is. There's so much there with the USO's.

[Megan]

Like, I know it was. It's just Jay had said in that same backstage.

[Sam]

Yes.

[Megan]

It's like, look, I can't let this get in the way of a World Heavyweight championship opportunity. And I can't help but wonder if it did.

[Sam]

Right. But then also, he's not going to let his brother get beat down. You know, he's not.

[Megan]

It's such a tough spot for Jay.

[Sam]

He's not going to let that happen. Yeah. And you know, I think Jay is struggling with this idea that he knows that what he. He thinks that he's trying to define success by Roman Reigns standards, which.

[Megan]

Roman Reigns is one of the greatest champions of the modern era.

[Sam]

Correct. But it's a fool's errand. Like, you can't an individual, a performer, an athlete, whoever it is, cannot judge their success by the standards of another person. A human being can only judge their success by their own standards. Roman Reigns was successful and, well, continues to be successful until he got beat by Brunson Reed. But what makes Roman a successful person is that he's successful on his own terms. That's why he's uniquely successful. I think Bronson Reed. I'm sorry, Bron Breaker decided on Raw he needed to Be successful under his own terms, which is what's going to make him successful. And I think. I think Jay is making a mistake if he's modeling his success after Roman Reigns. Because Jay is not Roman Reigns any more than Jay is Seth Rollins or Jay is Jimmy USO or Jay is CM Punk. Jay is Jay.

[Megan]

He's uniquely himself.

[Sam]

That's exactly right. And that's honestly what's made him a success.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's what's captivated the audience.

[Sam]

Would you say that the success of Jey USO is anything like Roman Reigns?

[Megan]

Very different.

[Sam]

Very different.

[Megan]

They weren't eating for Roman Reigns.

[Sam]

No, it was a totally different thing. But guess what? The children are dressing up as Jey USO for Halloween. Something has worked. And I think that, that, that Jay is like almost like struggling with both of those things, right?

[Megan]

Like, Jay, can I be JNB World Heavyweight Champ?

[Sam]

That's exactly right.

[Megan]

And he's done it before, but he couldn't hold on to the title. So he's struggling with the dude. Jey uso. Yeeting Jey uso. The entire Persona of Jey uso, who he is, can that be the World Heavyweight Champion?

[Sam]

And it's like, yes, dude. Yes, it was. It can be. Again, stop doubting it. You know, And I think he's searching for. He always seems conflicted. This Jey USO always seems conflicted instead of just trusting his.

[Megan]

Instincts, sort of.

[Sam]

Right? Yeah, 100% instincts.

[Megan]

I mean, his instincts say, help your brother.

[Sam]

Help your brother then.

[Megan]

But there's this part of him that says, would a World Heavyweight Champion help their brother?

[Sam]

Jimmy and Jay had matching gear tonight.

[Megan]

See, you gotta help your brother.

[Sam]

You gotta help your brother. Did you notice they had matching gear?

[Megan]

I did, yeah. Yeah.

[Sam]

They're both wearing the silver gear. I was like, oh. Cause that's real. And then you realize, like, that's what I want. And I don't think it's a downgrade. And I don't appreciate it. That CM Punk and La Knight are both like, hey, why don't you go back to tag team wrestling? Because it's like, bro, the USO's, are you kidding me?

[Megan]

We all love that.

[Sam]

Greatest of all time territory. Look, I watched the Hardy Boys and the Dudley Boys have one last table match over the weekend. And it brought a tear to my eye. It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. Because there are very few performers in the history of professional wrestling that have made the kind of impact to multiple generations that the Hardy Boys and the Dudley Boys have. And there is. And you wouldn't look at the Hardy Boys, the Dudley Boys, and go, oh, you're doing tag team wrestling. You know what I mean? You'd look at them and go, like, I want to be like you. That's the only thing. I want to be like you. And that's what it is with. And by the way, that always already is the case with Jimmy and Jey Uso. But that's what it is with the Usos. Like, they're on the road to being the greatest tag team of all time. And like, a run where the USO's were on the same page, but they were a super team and they really realized, no, it's World Champion Jey USO and top single star Jimmy USO now coming together and forming this tag team called the Usos. And oh, by the way, they already have a tag team onslaught that they know like the back of their hands. Because how many people can achieve the singles success that both Jay and Jimmy have and still be considered what you would call, back in my day, tag team specialists?

[Megan]

I can't think of anybody.

[Sam]

Right, right. So that's. That's really what I want for them. I'm. I'm. I constantly am waiting for, like, that light bulb to go off where Jay's like, I'm thinking too much. I think Jay USO is thinking too much. And I know he wants the World Heavyweight Championship, but it's like, just ride the wave, dude. Let it all happen. You're in this spot, you're trying to. You're trying to grab hold of everything, and you're hanging on too tight. It's slipping out of your grip. You know what I'm saying?

[Megan]

Oh, 100%. And I love the way you broke it down as well, because it's like we've been watching for weeks. What's going on with Jey uso?

[Sam]

Right?

[Megan]

Is Jey USO acting like Roman Reigns? Jey USO is conflicted. And we saw that play out tonight when he helped his brother.

[Sam]

Right. And he did the right thing helping out his brother. He did it in the Yeet shirt. Of course, you know, everybody's gearing up for the fall.

[Megan]

The green Yeet shirt.

[Sam]

The green Yeet shirt. Yeet. N Easy. Everybody is gearing up for the fall right now with the latest WWE cold weather essentials. I'm talking about these amazing hoodies, these amazing jackets, quarter zips. Yes. Blankets and more. All available now at WWE Shop and Fanatics. You can stay cozy while repping your favorite Superstars. They've also got all new authentic tees that have dropped now at WWE shop and fanatics, including today's new Grande Americano Ringer T shirt. Yes. Get all your favorite Superstar gear today. I know, Megan, I know you love to. You love to show up on Raw Recap. With a little bit of Merchant. I'm just saying, if you showed up in a Grande Americano T shirt, a lot of kids would say you were lit.

[Megan]

Well, today I was thinking about showing up to work with a neck tattoo.

[Sam]

Would you get it right on the throat?

[Megan]

That's what I was thinking about.

[Sam]

Well, you probably look great with it. Neck tattoos look really good. First of all, the WWE Champion has one, so neck tattoos are great. And yeah, it was great to see one of the great champions of WWE as well right now.

[Megan]

And I seem like you're hesitating.

[Sam]

There's never been a period in the history of WWE where both the WWE Champion and the WWE Intercontinental Champion both have beautiful neck tattoos.

[Megan]

There's been a lot of talk in the Internet. What should we call this era? Is it the Neck Tattoo Era?

[Sam]

It could be the Neck Tattoo Era. They've even come up with nicknames for Dominic based on the tattoo, the placement of the tattoo. The throat coat.

[Megan]

You should get one right here.

[Sam]

Dominic Mysterio.

[Megan]

You should get one right here on Raw. Recap.

[Sam]

It's definitely great, right?

[Megan]

I think it would be great.

[Sam]

I just don't know what I would do.

[Megan]

You have to update your action figure.

[Sam]

That's the problem. I can't. My deal with Mattel forbids me from it, so I can't. Unfortunately, I can't alter my tattoo.

[Megan]

In the fine print, it says no neck tats.

[Sam]

That's right. Mattel made me for two years. I can't alter my appearance in any way. So unfortunately, I can't get my throat tattoo. However, two years.

[Megan]

I mean, we'll.

[Sam]

We'll revisit.

[Megan]

Okay. We're looking forward to it. That would be a great action figure.

[Sam]

I feel like you are having a little bit of a mocking tone for the great Dominic Mysterio's new neck tattoo. I think it looks amazing. I think it looks great.

[Megan]

I'm not mocking at all. I was just pointing it out.

[Sam]

And by the way, have you ever beaten Penta? Okay, well, guess what?

[Megan]

Guess who had not beaten Penta?

[Sam]

Well, guess who beat Penta.

[Megan]

Have you ever used a hammer to get an advantage on one of the greatest luchadors of all time to get.

[Sam]

An advantage on Dominic?

[Megan]

No, Penta, one of the greatest luchadors of all time.

[Sam]

Like, one of.

[Megan]

And Dominic took the hammer. Mallet hammer.

[Sam]

I don't. I saw when Berkley sat up, I think the hammer was still on his chair.

[Megan]

No, no, no. Dom took the hammer. Really?

[Sam]

I didn't see that.

[Megan]

That must have been against Penta. No, because I saw you had a lot going on this morning, so you probably missed.

[Sam]

I missed that.

[Megan]

You were fast forwarding through. Yeah. So Dominic.

[Sam]

I wouldn't fast forward through a Dominic match.

[Megan]

You're right about that. Dominic, though, took the hammer, used it against Penta, then put it in his boot to once again use the hammer against Penta. And the referee couldn't see the hammer because it was in his boot and then went.

[Sam]

And that sounds like a referee problem.

[Megan]

There's a lot of those.

[Sam]

Yeah, we talked about that. There's a lot of more suspensions and fines.

[Megan]

Oh, you might have to.

[Sam]

Plural.

[Megan]

Yeah, I think so.

[Sam]

Yeah. Listen, okay, Dominic's got it. I'm kidding. Of course. I did notice that the timekeeper's hammer was taken. But also, look there, Jesse Body Ventura said a couple of things that were very wise. It ain't cheating if you don't get caught. And if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And that's something that I live with to this day. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

[Megan]

Okay, Adam Pearce did say he noticed it, but he couldn't do anything about it.

[Sam]

So great. Notice everything all you want. Good for you, Adam Pierce. What are you gonna do, you know? Match is over. Referee's decision's final. You hire the best officials. There we go. We know who the Intercontinental champion is.

[Megan]

And now Penta has a Rusev problem.

[Sam]

Which is a. Penta has a big Rusev problem. Penta has a. Which is great news for Dominic because I don't think he wanted to deal with either of those.

[Megan]

Well, I think Dominic is going to have a Judgment Day problem.

[Sam]

Why?

[Megan]

Because he got the Tag Team champions a match next week against AJ and Dragon Lee. Whoops.

[Sam]

Well, I. Yeah. But though, you know what? I'll bet the Judgment Day will be successful again and they'll go, you know what? In hindsight, it was good that you did that.

[Megan]

It's been a little while since they've defended those titles.

[Sam]

You always say that you're not defending them. Well, I mean, it's not. You know, maybe they're just aren't worthy challengers.

[Megan]

I mean, we just spent a whole time talking about tag team Wrestling and how great it is. And you're like, wait, there's no worthy challengers.

[Sam]

Forgot we just had that conversation. To be fair, I didn't remember that conversation that we had just had. But listen, it's in Dominic's blood to take advantage of whatever situation is in front of him. That was passed down through generations. Okay, Eddie Guerrero lit from.

[Megan]

Oh, no.

[Sam]

Eddie Guerrero was Mr. Lie, cheat and Steal. And by the way, people loved it when he did it. It was charming. If anything else, people were like, oh, I lied. They loved it. They loved it. So, you know, Dominic Mysterio is just. He comes from. From a long lineage of people who, you know, understand how to take advantage of surroundings but win matches that way.

[Megan]

And that's such a punk. Who Dom.

[Sam]

Okay, well, guess what? Did you hear, by the way, your ears are okay?

[Megan]

They're. They're great.

[Sam]

Okay, well, then did you hear we.

[Megan]

Had some in ear issues?

[Sam]

There were some issues, and I was just making sure that they didn't extend into Monday Night Raw because did you hear the sounds that Perth made when Dominic Mysterio.

[Megan]

They loved it.

[Sam]

Okay, so then why are you being a hater?

[Megan]

Okay, because he's a punk.

[Sam]

He's not a punk. People love it.

[Megan]

I love Penta, too.

[Sam]

Penta's great, but, like, also the idea that you're in a match with Dominik Mysterio and you're not ready for him to maybe hit you with a hammer. I mean, you got to prepare for Dominic Mysterio. This is a guy who know. I mean, what do you think? He's a nice guy?

[Megan]

No, I don't think he's a nice guy.

[Sam]

He's got a neck tattoo. He spent time in prison. Okay, this is a bad hombre.

[Megan]

That recovery from the neck tattoo was probably pretty quick, too.

[Sam]

That's because he's tough.

[Megan]

That's got to be painful, no?

[Sam]

Yeah, he's tough. It doesn't hurt him. It's tough.

[Megan]

Bad hombre.

[Sam]

He is a bad hombre. You know, we were talking about over the weekend, Tops Now.

[Megan]

I love Tops Now.

[Sam]

Me too. I got a bunch of dominant cards from Tops now. Because he makes these great moments. Donnie Mysterio does all the time, and you just hate on him. But I got all these trading cards that say, you are wrong. Topps now captures major milestones and viral moments from the biggest events. Okay, we know the Tops now will be commemorating multiple big moments from Crown Jewel. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if they had a Tops now card commemorating what we saw at the end of Monday Night Raw. I hope so. Stephanie Vicaire and Seth Rollins are each going to get their own individual cards commemorating their wins with an autograph chase and dual card of them with a one of one autograph chase. Ooh, that means you're gonna get. One person's gonna get a card signed by Seth Rollins and Stephanie Vicare. That rules. That's one of those, like, where are you ever gonna see that context again? That's amazing. Rhea Ripley and EO sky also have a dual card with an autograph chase, including a one of one dual autograph inscribed Rio Rio by both stars. Look at that.

[Megan]

That's just what Ria wrote on her face.

[Sam]

That's awesome. That is awesome. Lucky collectors who buy the base card of these moments have the chance to receive parallels and possibly the autograph one of one versions. Check out these cards on tops.com and make sure to sign up for notifications as there may be another big card coming out this week from an incredible crown jewel show. I mean, listen.

[Megan]

Wait, by the way, did a crown jewel. We had the moment with both crown jewel champions, Stephanie Valkyr and Seth Rollins in the ring. I was scrolling through Twitter over the weekend and some of the lip readers broke it down. It looked like Seth told Stephanie that his wife was going to come after that championship, which I loved.

[Sam]

Oh, I do too.

[Megan]

Yeah, I love that. I don't know if he actually said that, but probably the lip readers on social media told me he did.

[Sam]

I believe it.

[Megan]

I do, too. I believe everything they say.

[Sam]

Yeah. What's the Internet?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam]

What? Are they going to lie?

[Megan]

No.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Megan]

No, the books away.

[Sam]

I think you're right. I think you're right. And I also think, like, one day you're gonna have to stop coming on here and coming up with excuses why it's bad that Dominik Mysterio won because he's only gonna keep winning. However, we did have a great moment with Rio on Monday Night Raw, which was the dual me, me, me, me, me, me meme. The dual pointy, pointy meme with Rhea Ripley and Iyo sky both coming to the ring together. Okay, so what did you make? Because you've been very sensitive to Kyrie Sane. There was this moment where Kyrie Sane showed Oscar the.

[Megan]

I've been sensitive to Kyrie Sane. Poor Kyrie Sane has been getting abused. Well, did you see the damage to her forehead?

[Sam]

Why?

[Megan]

Matches what she went through.

[Sam]

I saw the damage. I saw the damage on her forehead. And then Oscar gave one to match on her Chin.

[Megan]

I know.

[Sam]

That was nuts.

[Megan]

It's a dictatorship.

[Sam]

That was nuts.

[Megan]

Kyrie. Before this match, I thought Kyrie was being held hostage completely.

[Sam]

But then what happened?

[Megan]

Then Kyrie pulled out a kendo stick, people.

[Sam]

And here's the other thing people forget because Kyrie is sympathetic, somewhat hilarious at times. Nice, nice, great. People forget that Kyrie is lethal. Kyrie Sane is absolutely lethal. This isn't a conversation when you talk about like main event level women's wrestlers. It's not IO, Rhea and Asuka. It's ia, Rhea, Asuka, it's eo, Ria, Asuka.

[Megan]

I was like, very difficult.

[Sam]

I knew one. One letter was messed up there. And Kyrie, like, Kyrie's right there with them. She is absolutely lethal. And I think Asuka knows that. So it's like, let's not complain about our bruises. You know, I give you another one, you complain about that one and let's go. Let's go to work.

[Megan]

So, well, right, she's pushing her buttons. And Kyrie, if she really was as scared as she plays off, she would run away. But today she ran away and came back with a kendo stick.

[Sam]

That's right. Because Kyrie knows, I mean the like, you know. However, if Kyrie were to walk away, I think Oscar would have a little bit of a problem. But I love that. What I love about this and it's not the best way to get it done. Fine. But what I love is that it is raising Oscar to that place where it's reminding everybody what a threat she is. You know, I think it actually has widened what the top of the card looks like in the women's division. And I think that that's a good thing. I mean, Kyrie has to kind of take the brunt of that, but it's still good.

[Megan]

But Kyrie is also elevating as well.

[Sam]

I think so too.

[Megan]

Because you're seeing how much of a killer that Kyrie Sane is.

[Sam]

And also like the idea that, that. That Kyrie and Oscar are not even remotely done.

[Megan]

No.

[Sam]

With. With Rhea.

[Megan]

And I mean, think about this. The leader that Oscar is, she says, listen, you lost at Crown Jewel, Kyrie, you lost. It wasn't me. You were the one who got pinned by Iyo Sky. And now to make it up to me, you have to face Rhea Ripley tonight one on one in Perth, Australia.

[Sam]

She wants greatness.

[Megan]

Yes, it's tough.

[Sam]

It's a tough challenge.

[Megan]

But when Kyrie got in the ring.

[Sam]

I mean, right, that's what I mean, that's what people forget. I think that's why, like, these things happen, you know, to be like, no, she actually is fully capable. And maybe like that's. Maybe Asuka sees that. You know, maybe Asuka's like, hey, you are capable of beating her.

[Megan]

I need to put you in this situation.

[Sam]

Exactly. And you know, just doesn't have the best bedside manner in the world.

[Megan]

She's a little harsh.

[Sam]

Well, you know, it is what it is. I have to tell you, there is big news. Big news for WWE fans. Big news for sports fans. Big news for entertainment fans. I'm talking about the world's number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest. It's making its return to New York City.

[Megan]

Let's go.

[Sam]

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[Megan]

A blast.

[Sam]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Megan]

So many WWE fans there.

[Sam]

And it's just a moment Factory everywhere you look.

[Megan]

I mean, John Cena ran into you and hugged you over a table. That's right.

[Sam]

I forgot about that.

[Megan]

No, you didn't. You play it every hour on the hour.

[Sam]

I brush my teeth to it. It's the best. It's the best thing.

[Megan]

Maybe you'll get a Dominik Mysterio moment next July.

[Sam]

Oh, maybe he'll tattoo my neck.

[Megan]

But you can't. Two years.

[Sam]

Yeah. I forgot about my licensing agreement. Okay, now that we've had some time to process, what do you think of the fact that Division turned on Seth Rollins? I mean, because that was crazy.

[Megan]

I'm Shook, as do the kids. Still say Shook.

[Sam]

Shooketh.

[Megan]

Shooketh.

[Sam]

Shooketh. Shooketh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know where it's all going and I also. So, okay, so you brought up this question earlier, which was we saw Punk win that Triple Threat match.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam]

Now he pinned Jay uso. So I wonder if La Knight is going to keep up with this. While you didn't pin me, I pinned Seth Rollins.

[Megan]

I'm still the last person to pin the World Heavyweight Champion.

[Sam]

That. Yeah, I feel like it's settled for now. I'm not saying that La Knight should never get a title shot, but I think that a Triple Threat Match to determine the number one contender is after the Fatal Four.

[Megan]

Way.

[Sam]

This is the way to do it. This is the way to do it. And honestly, like, we do need this CM Punk World Heavyweight title match. But, like, how do you get there if Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed just attacked Seth Rollins like that? That is one of the trippiest parts.

[Megan]

That's why I was trying to draw the connection.

[Sam]

But I don't think there is a connection because they beat down CM Punk. Okay, okay, but here it is.

[Megan]

They're not related.

[Sam]

Why would CM Punk go, yeah, and then you'll, like, just destroy me. You'll beat the stuffing out of me. And this is a good plan.

[Megan]

True.

[Sam]

You know?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And they're like, yeah, yeah, okay. I mean, it's like there are some.

[Megan]

But where does Heyman. Where does Heyman get involved now? Okay, just take out the vision, I guess Heyman's not involved then. If it's Seth and his best friend CM Punk, does Heyman get involved?

[Sam]

I mean, that's a great question, right? Is Heyman fully out of the Seth Rollins business?

[Megan]

I don't know. Is he fully out of the CM Punk business? I don't know.

[Sam]

Well, he should be out of the CM Punk business. He turned on him. I don't think CM Punk would allow Heyman back into his business.

[Megan]

Not right now.

[Sam]

Yeah, I mean, who knows what the future holds? But.

[Megan]

But is he out of the Seth Rollins business?

[Sam]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think he planned on being out of the Seth Rollins business this soon.

[Megan]

And if he didn't seem like Seth planned on people being out of his business soon, even though he said, I don't need them.

[Sam]

But what he literally. I mean, was there any part of you. Cause you said. You pointed that out. Right. Him saying, I don't need them kind of like gave you pause. But didn't you feel bad for Seth when he goes, well, I'm on. He literally said, I'm on cloud nine right now, guys. Like, I've never been happier.

[Megan]

I mean, the third best moment of his life. Yeah. Proudest moment of his life.

[Sam]

And it's behind having birth of a child and literally marrying Becky Lynch. Can you think of anything better than marrying Becky Lynch?

[Megan]

Not one thing. Okay. Not one thing.

[Sam]

Which her husband would be.

[Megan]

Not even the birth of my own.

[Sam]

No. That's fair. Yeah. I can only think of. I can think of one.

[Megan]

Well, I was thinking as Seth was saying, I don't need anybody. I was like, yeah, Becky doesn't either.

[Sam]

I guess so. I mean, I can only think of one thing that would be better than marrying Becky, but it's neither here nor there.

[Megan]

Dominic Mysterio, neck tattoo.

[Sam]

No. I was thinking, if you married Dom, that would be huge for you. Like, that would be, like.

[Megan]

That'd be big for me.

[Sam]

I mean, not for Dom. Yeah, it'd be big for you, of course. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be massive for you. And you could get that. You get the. His and hers neck tattoos.

[Megan]

It's the neck tattoo era.

[Sam]

Yeah. Only thing is, when Dominique Mysterio puts a mask on now, I'm definitely gonna know it's him.

[Megan]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Sam]

His neck tattoo.

[Megan]

That's right.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah, you would know it's him anyways.

[Sam]

Of course I would. I know those eyes anywhere.

[Megan]

But back to Seth.

[Sam]

Go ahead.

[Megan]

What?

[Sam]

Go ahead.

[Megan]

Okay. Go ahead.

[Sam]

You said back to Seth.

[Megan]

Well, yeah, but just back to Seth. I mean, is Heyman completely out of.

[Sam]

Okay, okay. That's the question, right? Is Heyman out of. Especially because you're. Because you're right.

[Megan]

You look so shocked.

[Sam]

And if the next step. I mean, if the next step is Seth versus punk, then where does Bron Breaker fit into it? And in that case, where does Paul Heyman fit into it? And is Paul Heyman gonna be able to come out on television and say, oh, this was all part of my Grandmaster plan? You know what I mean? No way. We saw it all over your face. This is definitely not part of your Grandmaster plan. Like, is. Is. Is Heyman. I mean, you talk about Heyman taking a backseat.

[Megan]

Does Seth come out and say, I saw this coming all along?

[Sam]

He better not. Because if he saw it coming all along, he would have gotten out of the way of that spear.

[Megan]

Right. And he wouldn't have said that a top three moment of his life was being proud of Bron. Bron.

[Sam]

Is there any possibility that this is another ruse of the century? I'm not. I don't. I'm not advocating for it. I'm presenting conversations.

[Megan]

Sure. It's a possibility.

[Sam]

Right?

[Megan]

Sure. It's always a possibility.

[Sam]

There's also a possibility that we grow wings and fly away.

[Megan]

Well, not really a possibility of that, but you see what I'm saying. I don't think it's a ruse.

[Sam]

No, especially. It's like you already named something. The ruse of the century. You can't have two literally in the same year.

[Megan]

No, we got another century for that.

[Sam]

That's not how ruse is.

[Megan]

Along with the no neck test.

[Sam]

That's right. That's 100%. Right.

[Megan]

One ruse per century.

[Sam]

Right, Right, right. Yeah. So I think. Yeah. And also, even for the purpose of a second ruse of the century, nobody's taking a spear from Bron Breaker. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just too.

[Megan]

I think the fact that Bron had to ask Bronson, which side are you taking? It feels like Bron acted alone.

[Sam]

I would agree. Although I'll bet there has been some, like, conversations. Like, you know how. Like, how, like, when, like, your boss is kind of annoying, and you're like, you can't do it on slack because everybody. Because the company sees slack. But, like, you go, like, you go out to lunch or something. Like, you know, it's really annoying.

[Megan]

It's a long flight to Australia. Maybe Bron. Bron sitting next to each other.

[Sam]

Like, you know what's really annoying? I know.

[Megan]

Like, is that a charter? We're on this plane?

[Sam]

Like, you think Bron Breaker was like, yeah, it's weird that Seth said that, right? And Bronson Reed was like, yeah, I guess it is weird. Yeah. It's not that cool, is it?

[Megan]

He hasn't really been paying attention to us a lot lately.

[Sam]

No, I guess he hasn't. Like, you know, they start testing each other to see if they're, like, really on the same page or not, but.

[Megan]

You don't want to go there yet, just in case, I guess.

[Sam]

Like, imagine if I speared him on Raw. Yeah, imagine if you speared him on Raw. Yeah, imagine if I speared him on Raw. All of a sudden, we realize we're on the same page, you know? Yeah. I have to believe that Bron Breaker, on some level, knew that there was at least a feeling there that, like, I don't think it was that big of a gamble for him. And I think that it's, like, it wasn't that big of a gamble to get Bronson Reed on his side.

[Megan]

It's also like, hey, Bronson, you took Seth out.

[Sam]

You know you can do this, right? Bronson's like, yeah, it's a tradition at this point. It's one of my favorite pastimes. Tsunami ing Seth Rollins is one of my favorite pastimes. Yeah, no, I think that that's right. And then they knew, if it's the.

[Megan]

Two of us, Heyman has to come with us. Yeah, he's not gonna stand up for Seth after I spear him. And you Tsunami him.

[Sam]

You think Paul Heyman thinks about the bloodline sometimes and is like, man, man, we had it. It's like Andy Bernard Just going, I wish somebody would tell you that you were in the good old days while you were still in them. You know, Like, Paul's. Like, it's been really chaotic since, like, I don't know, probably right around even the beginning of the year. Like, it's gotten. It's gotten really chaotic since I got.

[Megan]

Thrown through that table at Madison Square Garden by the Samoans. It's just been, you know.

[Sam]

You think that's where everything changed for Paul in general? Like, yeah.

[Megan]

I feel like Paul was living large.

[Sam]

Until that moment because he thought he would be saved. And when he got split. Right. Okay. So. Cuz when he thought he could be saved, he thought he could be saved up until he got powerbombed through the.

[Megan]

Table when he said, you are not my tribal chief.

[Sam]

You are not. Yeah. And then that's the moment he realized, oh, nobody's coming to save me. That's the moment that his loyalty was broken. That's the moment that. And then coming off of that, he recruited CM Punk for the War Games match because he's like, look like then.

[Megan]

He owed him a favor.

[Sam]

I'm not blinded by this anymore. Then he owed Punk a favor.

[Megan]

He kept saying, I love my tribal.

[Sam]

Chief, but because his tribal chief had betrayed him way back when, he had never forgiven him for that. And so then he goes with Seth Rollins. But it's been. I mean, it's been a mess since then.

[Megan]

Seth never let him in.

[Sam]

Right, right.

[Megan]

It all started at Madison Square Garden.

[Sam]

Now we're here. It all started at that powerbomb at Madison Square Garden.

[Megan]

It's been tough for Paul since then.

[Sam]

Yeah. This is all because Roman lost the title. His whole world. Isn't that all roads lead back, Right.

[Megan]

His whole world.

[Sam]

Roman's. See, Roman's world affected everybody.

[Megan]

Yeah, it's affected Seth.

[Sam]

I mean, everybody.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sam]

He was the nucleus of all of it in wwe. And when his world came crashing down, everything went down with it. And it's just been this slow process of everybody trying to figure out how to put the pieces back together.

[Megan]

But Roman's. Roman's loss didn't affect Bron Breakker.

[Sam]

No, it affected him positively.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Sam]

Because Bron Breaker can come up from NXT and go, look at all these people in a weekend state. Now would be a great time to go hit the top of the card. And now everybody's looking like, huh? And they're not.

[Megan]

And they're looking at first all will, we are all still impacted by the tribal chief. And look at Braun.

[Sam]

Right. And Bronson Reed Bronson. Reed's coming off a victory over Roman Reigns. Bron Breaker is coming off of spearing Seth Rollins out of his shoes. Like, all of a sudden, Seth Rollins's lackeys are in this position where they control everything. And what can anybody do about it?

[Megan]

Nothing.

[Sam]

Absolutely nothing.

[Megan]

Not one thing.

[Sam]

What a wild time. Well, guys, I mean, we knew we were going to have a lot to recap. I didn't think we knew that we were going to have this much to recap. We will be back with you next week here on Monday Night Raw at our usual time. Make sure you subscribe across all audio platforms, liking and commenting on YouTube, and we'll see you next week here on the Raw Retail cap.