What’s next? Gunther reacts to ending Goldberg’s career: Saturday Night’s Main Event Recap

Summary

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Raw Recap with Sam Roberts and Megan Morant

Episode: What’s next? Gunther reacts to ending Goldberg’s career: Saturday Night’s Main Event Recap
Date: July 13, 2025
Podcast: WWE x Fanatics Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode gives fans an insider’s view into the July 13, 2025, Saturday Night’s Main Event at Atlanta’s State Farm Arena, highlighted by Goldberg’s last match against World Heavyweight Champion Gunther. Hosts Sam Roberts and Megan Morant break down key moments and matches from the event, offer their candid reactions, and speak with Gunther himself about retiring Goldberg and the reality he brings to WWE’s title scene. The show also recaps Solo Sikoa's US title defense and Jacob Fatu's rise, celebrity shenanigans with Jelly Roll, Logan Paul, Randy Orton, and Drew McIntyre, and previews for the upcoming Evolution 2 event.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Analysis of Goldberg’s storied final match and Gunther’s dominant reign
• Gunther’s mindset as the unflappable reality in a world of pro wrestling fantasy
• Shifts in WWE factions, particularly Solo Sikoa’s rise with the MFT group and Jacob Fatu’s impact
• Notable celebrity involvement blurring lines between WWE and pop culture
• Setting the stage for Evolution 2 and SummerSlam’s mounting storylines

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Goldberg’s Last Ride and the Gunther Era

(00:55–13:13)

• The Emotional Impact:
  Atlanta crowd erupts for Goldberg’s final bout in his hometown. Speculation abounded on whether Goldberg, at 58, could deliver a main event-caliber match—instead, he exceeded expectations with one of his longest WWE showings in years.

• Gunther: The Crushing Reality:

  • Sam frames Gunther as the “reality check” amidst WWE’s colorful storytelling:

    “He’s the reality… You put as many fantasy stories together as you want… Gunther shows up and he goes, what if I bring the real world to the wonderful world of professional wrestling?” – Sam Roberts (03:38)

  • Gunther methodically targets Goldberg’s leg throughout, never succumbing to emotion, ultimately winning with a sleeper hold.
  • Goldberg withstands Gunther’s signature chops, even spears Gunther through a barricade, and lands a jackhammer—a mirror to his 1998 title win over Hogan in the same city.

• Classic WCW Callbacks:

  • Atlanta show is replete with WCW nostalgia—Doug Dillinger returns for Goldberg’s entrance; Rick & Scott Steiner, DDP, and Ernest “The Cat” Miller in attendance.
  • Sam and Megan revel in seeing “the whole thing”—a testament to Goldberg’s cross-generational legacy.

• Charles Robinson Shenanigans:

  • Once again, ref Charles Robinson takes a major bump—this time a Goldberg spear—sparking tongue-in-cheek debate over his “insurance” and knack for being in the wrong (or right) place at the right time.

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2. Gunther Interview: Post-Match Reflections & What’s Next

(17:04–27:57)

• On Facing Goldberg’s Aura:

  • Gunther confesses the first time he truly felt Goldberg’s legendary presence was the week prior, not during the match itself.

    “Last week when he appeared, stepped up to me… that was like the first time, like, I felt that aura, that power of Bill Goldberg.” – Gunther (18:42)

• Respect for Goldberg:

  • Despite retiring Goldberg, Gunther expresses admiration for Goldberg’s straightforward, impactful style—draws parallels to his own measured approach.

    “He’s not a Mount Rushmore wrestler of this business… but him as a character, as a brand… he is definitely… a Mount Rushmore personality in this business.” – Gunther (19:57)

• Becoming the Reality:

  • Gunther sees himself as a force that ends the swirling “fantasy booking” around big matches.

    “Regardless of how much people like me and Megan can fantasy book… you come in like this cold hand of reality, and every single time you go, or I could just put the guy to sleep and win.” – Sam Roberts (22:00)

  • Gunther’s own words:

    “As soon as, like, a championship [is] on the line… that’s when it turns into business… I do not give a damn who deserves what. I deserve this, and I deserve to hold this for as long as I possibly can.” – Gunther (23:40)

• On Locker Room Reception:

  • Still no celebration for him post-victory:

    “I don’t have friends around here… I come here to be the best. I come here to make money, and I take all of that home with me to my family.” – Gunther (24:29)

• Looking Forward (Contenders):

  • Gunther remains unfazed by the growing list of possible challengers (CM Punk, LA Knight, Penta, Jey Uso, Sami Zayn).

    “Everybody wants a ride on the Ring General’s coattail. That’s normal to me… That [CM Punk] will be addressed in the future. But for today, I achieved something far greater than Bill Goldberg ever achieved.” – Gunther (27:11)

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3. Faction Wars: Solo Sikoa, The MFTs, and Jacob Fatu

(14:06–16:35 & 29:36–34:11)

• Solo Sikoa’s Evolution:

  • Sam and Megan chart Solo’s transformation from quiet enforcer to dominant US Champion and leader of a new, more personal group (“the MFTs”).

    “There’s a clear distinction between Solo Sikoa’s bloodline and this group of MFTs… Solo is not trying to be anybody else. He’s not trying to fill in anybody else’s shoes. This is truly his group.” – Sam Roberts (29:47)

• US Title Match & Aftermath:

  • Solo defeats Jimmy Uso in a bitter match, aided by his new faction.
  • Jacob Fatu debuts as a serious threat—taking down the entire MFT group and standing tall, with Megan and Sam both hoping for a Fatu vs. Talatanga clash.

    “It was Jacob Fatu who dog walked they ass tonight… Dog walked them all.” – Megan Morant (37:01, 37:09)

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4. Celebrity Crossovers: Randy Orton, Jelly Roll, Logan Paul & Drew McIntyre

(44:22–52:02)

• Match Chaos:

  • Randy Orton (with Jelly Roll in his corner) faces Drew McIntyre (with Logan Paul).
  • Notable moment: Jelly Roll shoves Logan Paul, then later eats a full Claymore from McIntyre.

    “I did not have on my bingo card… Jelly Roll eats a Claymore… It wasn’t a celebrity Claymore either… It was, get out of my ring.” – Sam Roberts (49:24)

• Setting Up SummerSlam:

  • Post-match chaos leads to Orton & Jelly Roll (“RK Roll”) challenging Logan Paul & Drew McIntyre for SummerSlam.

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5. Evolution 2 and the Women’s Division Spotlight

(38:24–43:41)

• Personal Stakes Trump History:

  • Looking ahead to Evolution 2, Sam and Megan highlight how matches have become deeply personal, specifically Jade Cargill vs. Naomi with Bianca Belair as special guest referee.

    “They are entering Evolution to end the timeline of their opponent… this very typical set of shots that WWE does… just erupts when Naomi attacks Jade Cargill.” – Sam Roberts (40:23)

• Bianca’s Role and Allegiances:

  • Debate over whether Bianca will side with Jade or Naomi; Megan guesses Naomi, foreseeing heartbreak for Jade.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Gunther’s Philosophy

"I do not give a damn who deserves what. I deserve this, and I deserve to hold this for as long as I possibly can."
— Gunther (23:41)

On Goldberg's Jackhammer in Atlanta

“Here we are 26, 27 years later and he is dropping Gunther with the same jackhammer. And had referee Bennett been a little bit quicker to get to the ring, maybe, just maybe, the result would have been different.”
— Sam Roberts (09:17)

On Gunther’s Aura

“He never needed to be like a good technical wrestler… Everything he did… is very straightforward. So that guy was not easy to handle for anybody he ever stepped in a ring with.”
— Gunther (19:57)

Jacob Fatu’s Impact

"It was Jacob Fatu who dog walked they ass tonight… Dog walked them all."
— Megan Morant (37:01, 37:09)

Post-Match Celebrity Chaos

“Jelly Roll, Grammy Award winning artist, knocks out Logan Paul. And… out of nowhere, Jelly Roll eats a claymore… Get out of my ring.”
— Sam Roberts (49:24)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Goldberg’s Final Match Recap & Atmosphere – 00:55–08:57
• Gunther’s Tactics, Robinson Speared, Nostalgia – 08:57–13:13
• Solo Sikoa Evolution & MFTs – 14:06–16:35, 29:36–34:11
• Gunther’s Backstage Interview (Philosophy, Respect for Goldberg, What’s Next) – 17:04–27:57
• Women’s Division / Evolution 2 Hype (Cargill, Naomi, Bianca Belair) – 38:24–43:41
• RK Roll vs. Logan Paul & Drew McIntyre Setup – 44:22–52:02
• Jacob Fatu Wipes Out MFTs / Factional Drama – 31:43–34:11

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Additional Highlights

• Classic WCW Vibes: Atlanta’s show paid homage to Goldberg’s WCW roots, with special entrances and appearances by legendary names.
• Gunther as a “Dark Cloud of Reality”: Multiple segments emphasize how Gunther has replaced Goldberg as the “anything can happen” force—but with a ruthless, pragmatic edge.
• Locker Room Loneliness: Gunther’s lack of celebration despite two major wins underlines his pure “business over family” mindset, rare in WWE.
• Setting Up Future Contenders: The top title scene now includes LA Knight, Penta, Jey Uso, Sami Zayn, and looming conflict with CM Punk.

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Episode Takeaways

• Goldberg is truly retired after a match befitting his legacy, thanks to Gunther’s calculated, dominant victory.
• Gunther steps into a new echelon, not only as a champion but as a singular figure—no warmth, no friends, just ruthless business.
• The US title and factional scene is volatile, with Solo Sikoa redefined and Jacob Fatu making a monstrous statement.
• SummerSlam and Evolution 2 are set up for major emotional and athletic confrontations, with evolving new stars, betrayals, and personal feuds.
• **WWE continues to blend nostalgia, realism, and celebrity—the “reality era” is in full swing, led by the likes of Gunther, Solo Sikoa, and a new guard.

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For those who missed the show, this episode captures both the momentous end of the Goldberg era and the dawn of the Gunther “reality check” age, while stoking the fires for WWE’s next major events.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

You know, same. There was a lot of criticism, especially online, the haters when Goldberg returned. Oh, you know, why does he have this match against Gunter? And then we saw last week on Monday Night Raw. Raw, the crowd completely erupt for Goldberg. The same thing happened here tonight in Atlanta, which we expected. This is Goldberg's hometown. But there was also a lot of conversation. How long is this match going to be? Can Goldberg still really go? I think he absolutely delivered one of the longest matches we've seen Goldberg hag in a very, very long time. And I thought it was a great main event tonight.

[A]

I was really fun. It was a. It was just. It was the Gunther story, and we told this story many times. And that's, you know, one of the things that makes, especially at this phase, a Goldberg main event fascinating is, of course, like you were talking about the polarizing nature of it. The people who will be excited to see the legend back and the people who will be the naysayers who are sitting there going like, ah, he's washed. I don't want to see him anymore like that happens. But what to me is so fascinating about it is the discussion that it brings every time, which is Goldberg could win the World Heavyweight Championship. People walked in, and I know because I was having these conversations all week long, and it was conversations that people wanted to have and people were having. How is this match going to end? And could Goldberg be the World Heavyweight Champion? Is Goldberg going to take that title to SummerSlam? Where does this go? And I think that once again, it's the same conversation that we had after Gunther won the World Heavyweight Championship back from Jey uso. What is Gunther?

[B]

He's the reality.

[A]

He's the crushing reality that you put as many fantasy stories together as you want and as many can you imagine if. Well, what if. And, hey, this could only take place in the world of professional wrestling, the wonderful world of professional wrestling. And Gunther shows up and he goes, what if I bring the real world to the wonderful world of professional wrestling? And the real world states that, yet Goldberg has spent the time getting himself into shape, and yet Goldberg is going to do things in the ring that most men at 28 couldn't do, let alone 58. But ultimately, I'm going to attack the leg. I'm going to attack the leg. I'm going to attack the leg. And Charles Robinson getting speared or not, which we do need to talk about at the end of the day, Gunther wins. And it's not some big, elaborate story. It's Gunther locks on a sleeper hold, and Gunther puts the guy that he is fighting to sleep. And that guy that he is fighting could be a fan favorite on the level of Jey USO that has grown men yelling, yeet. It could be a legend coming back that we never thought that we'd see again, Especially competing at this level. It just doesn't matter. That conversation that I said exists around Goldberg as this is the guy that could win a World Heavyweight Championship, has been shifted. And now anytime Gunther is in there, anytime he is defending his World Heavyweight Champion, you and I can sit here and we can speculate wildly, and we can come up with as many fun, fantastical stories as we can possibly think of. That's right. That's right. We could let our childlike imaginations run rampant with wonder, and you know what will happen? Gunther will go, no, because I'm Gunther, and I'm gonna put the sleeper hold on. And then I just win, and I'm still the champion, and that's it. I just win. I beat the guy.

[B]

It doesn't even matter. That the. The chops to the chest.

[A]

I mean, and there was that moment right where. Where Gunther is going full force chops at Goldberg, and Goldberg isn't reacting. And I mean, I get it, I get it. You can act tough, you can tell a story, but when Gunther is going full force and you're able to stare back at him, there's something different about that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How about the fact that Goldberg speared straight through a barricade tonight?

[B]

That was. That was one of the highlights of the map. I mean, and you brought up also Charles Robinson, another highlight. But for me, when. When Goldberg is not reacting to the chops, I said, oh, buckle up. This is. This is.

[A]

That's when you knew it was going to.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I think for me, that was a moment. It's going to be more than a four minute match, which is what a lot of people thought heading in that. That we were going to get.

[A]

That's right. And this idea that, like, oh, this. Like this is real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like this isn't Goldberg coming out and cutting a promo with that level of intensity. This isn't Goldberg coming out and striking Gunther once to prove that there was some physicality in it. It's like once those chops started getting no reaction whatsoever. Oh, we're in a match. We're having a Goldberg match. Like Goldberg's last match for the World Heavyweight Championship is fighting right now is happening.

[B]

And then also with Gunter. And this is the conversation that we had on Monday. He never is a guy that leads with his emotions. What had happened on Monday Night Raw, he retreated. When Goldberg came out, he started feeling things. Exactly like feeling things. And when Goldberg is not reacting to the chops, what does Gunter do? He doesn't get emotional. He doesn't react in that way. He works the leg right.

[A]

Because I'm pretty sure I can keep going until I hurt you. You might not be hurt right now. You might not be acting hurt right now, but I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you. And he did. We had a lot of blasts from the past surrounding Goldberg. Of course, Saturday night's main event is always that sort of retro experience.

[B]

I love the microphone.

[A]

The microphone coming down, the red, white, blue ropes, the. The intros, the referees and their blues. Jesse the Body Ventura, it's all great. But specifically to Goldberg, the fact that we had Rick and Scott Steiner, the fact that Diamond Dallas Page was here, Ernest the Cat Miller out there in the ring with Goldberg, of course, his son, Josh Bartnett was out there. And to me, the thing And I was talking about it all day because we were here, we're in Atlanta and hanging out in the arena all day. And when I see Doug Dillinger, who you don't understand. I mean, if you were watching WCW in the 90s, in the late 90s, Doug Dillinger was the, he was that perennial head of security and he was there for everything. And all the big matches that Goldberg had, it was Doug Dillinger that would knock on that door and help escort, lead the escort. As Bill Goldberg went through the locker room, out the curtain and into the arena. So to see Doug Dillinger back, to see the whole thing, it was like, it was a, it was a reminder of, of how much this guy has done in the world of professional wrestling. I thought it was very cool. I thought it was, I thought it was awesome to see. And you know what I really thought was awesome to see?

[B]

What's that?

[A]

When he went for that jackhammer, I was like, there's. Because in my head I'm going, this is gonna be spear city, baby.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like. And I'd be fine with it, by the way. That's why it's great having two moves, right? If you can just spear. I was like, just spear. That's fine. I didn't think, you know, a 58 year old man can't be jackhammering people.

[B]

Well, there was.

[A]

And when he did, when he hooked him, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then he had him up. I went, no, no, no, no, no. And then he curved him and brought him down with that jackhammer. The same jackhammer that in this very city won Bill Goldberg the WCW championship. From Hollywood, Hulk Hogan. Here we are 26, 27 years later and he is dropping Gunther with the same jackhammer. And had referee Bennett been a little bit quicker to get himself to the ring, maybe, just maybe, the result would have been different.

[B]

Well, maybe if your guy, Charles Robinson, you know, could stay on his feet there.

[A]

Let's talk about it.

[B]

Goldberg could be champion tonight.

[A]

How much can some. And maybe I shouldn't be bringing this up. How much is the WWE paying for Charles Robinson insurance right now? Cuz that guy cannot make it through a ple. He can't without being absolutely destroyed. I thought he was no longer with us after Night of Champions when I saw him.

[B]

Did you check on Twitter? He usually puts out a tweet, I'm alive. Did he?

[A]

I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. Because then, can you imagine that you Go from getting shoulder checked halfway across the building at Night of Champions to now showing up at Bill Goldberg's mansion. And by the way, Charles Robinson, as much as he's a current official, is also a blast from the past.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Guess who was refereeing a ton of those classic Goldberg matches in wcw?

[B]

It was Charles Robinson.

[A]

It was Charles Robinson. And now in 2025, when these legends should be just there to be respected and appreciated, Charles Robinson is getting speared by Goldberg on Saturday night's main event. I don't even know what these words mean anymore. It's nuts.

[B]

Is he gonna have to come out with a brace or something on next time?

[A]

I mean, I think so. I think if we could make some kind of referee outfit made purely of bubble wrap or something like that. I mean. I mean, like, once, maybe an accident twice. What? Is there a bounty on this guy's head? Is there, like, some kind of. And I don't know. They don't tell me these secrets. Is there some kind of locker room pool going where whichever superstar can knock Charles Robinson the furthest gets the whole bundle of cash every week?

[B]

We're gonna have to have somebody go inside the locker room and find that out for us.

[A]

You know what it could have been, though? It could have been after he survived getting shoulder checked by John Cena and he ended up on this podcast, maybe he started to feel himself a little bit. Maybe he was like, oh, kind of nice to be a star. Kind of nice to be appreciated. Look at me doing my interviews.

[B]

Only. Only 80% effort running down the rail.

[A]

Humble Bragg city, this Charles Robinson. Maybe he's thinking to himself, you know, those recap podcast invitations have started to slow down a little bit. Maybe if I could step in the way of an old Goldberg spear, it might be worth it if I could get back on that pod. I'm just saying it's possible. I don't know. But I'm just. I'm a suspicious guy. I try to look at all possible outcomes. And I am saying that every time. Charles Robinson.

[B]

You think it's more than a wrong. Like a right place at the wrong time.

[A]

Yeah. No, no, no. I think. I think to him, he goes, right place, right time.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Because maybe I get back on the pod on Monday, you know, give myself a couple of days to catch my breath, get back on the pod, to be like, hey, remember I told you guys about getting, you know, knocked halfway across the arena? Would you like to hear my harrowing tale of getting speared by Bill Goldberg? And honestly, yeah, I would like to hear your harrowing tale of getting another.

[B]

Chapter in the book, too, you know? And I'm buying it.

[A]

Yeah. No, 100%. By the way, we want to tell you that Goldberg, of course, this being the last ride for Goldberg here at Saturday night's main event, a whole line of merchandise is available right now commemorating Goldberg's final match. The Last ride collection is available now at WWE Shop and Fanatics. We have one back there.

[B]

The Ragland popping out of the head. I love it.

[A]

Yeah, I love that T shirt. Looks like Rob Zombie designed the artwork for it. But the whole collection is available right now. If you're not in Atlanta, didn't make it over to the superstore, you can go to WWE Shop, you can go to Fanatics. You can get all the Goldberg stuff. You can also get the merchandise for all of your favorite superstars that wrestled on Saturday night's main event. The Saturday night's main event T shirt, of course, the Goldberg stuff, as well as Solo Sikoa's new MFT merchandise. Did you see this T shirt? I saw it with the whole MFT clan up there. Oh, I love it. Check it all out right now. And I will say, and I do want to talk about the fact that Charles Robinson wasn't the only one to get knocked on his, you know, up, but Jelly Roll had a tough night. We will talk about it.

[B]

Is he alive?

[A]

Don't know. Yes, yes, yes. Because he did. Yeah, because he did a promo. Okay, yeah, so he is alive. But. But unless something terrible happened between now and the promo, but I don't think he did. I think he's okay. But we talk about the mft. We talk about this group that Solo has formed. Solo defending the United States Championship and against big brother Jim Jimmy USO on Saturday night's main event tonight. And look, there were a couple of moments where I thought we might have something, and we didn't have something. Solo Sikoa, I feel like, is coming back into form as that, you know? You know, there was this one phase of Solo Sikoa when he was this absolute enforcer. This is the Solo Sikoa that was driving 16 Samoan spikes into John Cena.

[B]

Deep in the knuckles. Not saying much at all, if anything.

[A]

Remember when Sami Zayn was on trial, what was the ultimate punishment? It was Solo who was tasked with taking him out because that's the threat that he was. And then phase two of Solo was more Solo finding himself as this figurehead of what was then the bloodline and trying to fill the Shoes, I think of Roman Reigns. That was tribal chief era. So let's see.

[B]

When he had the crusty Ulafala.

[A]

Yeah, I was getting a little crusty. It was, it's. You know, I hate for you to disrespect the Ulafala, but it's not an incorrect description. You know what I mean?

[B]

You nailed was one. It didn't seem like it was really. He just had it.

[A]

Well, look, it was his. He lost it. Bygones be bygones. This third phase of Solo Sikoa, I think takes both worlds. I think takes lessons that he learned in both places and gives us this new form. You know, I mean, people talk about the aura that Roman Reigns had. I felt Solo aura.

[B]

You know what it is for me, it's the way that Solo uses his words when he's in the ring during a match. I mean, he's constantly just. Whoever he's going up against today was big brother Jim. And I think that even develops him even further. But I also want to even go back to when he made his entrance. Like, one of the things I love so much about Solo Sikoa is he makes me laugh because he, you know, we saw that four, four letters, one word, stop. But it's just the way he says it.

[A]

But you know what? You know what? There's something about the confidence now that's real. It doesn't feel like a put on. It might have felt a little bit like a put on before. It doesn't feel like a put on anymore. And I feel like he's kind of fully, fully found himself in every way, shape or form, whether that be in the ring, whether it be cutting a promo, whether it be as a leader of this group. And you talk about leaders, you talk about leaders of this entire company, leaders of this division, the world.

[C]

The leader of the professional wrestling world. Please.

[A]

Yes. The leader of the industry and the world who is the world heavyweight champion.

[C]

If they would all follow my example, we would be in a better place. But that's just what I think.

[A]

Look, I mean, if there was ever a time for you to have the credibility to say something like that, I think tonight's the night for it.

[C]

It is.

[A]

Was there anything that caught you by surprise from your opponent, Bill Goldberg tonight?

[C]

Not tonight. I gotta be honest. It was like last week already. Because how it all started, if we look back at that. I was at BET Blood. I was here in Atlanta, this arena, and I was only scheduled to. I think we had like a title presentation for their. For the match in Saudi. And I see Bill Goldberg sitting there. I've just been in the ring with Bret Hart at that point, like a few weeks ago. And I mean, I came up in wrestling since 2005, and a lot of my mentors are typical old timers, I would say. So I had my fun. I had my fun talking some smack to him, and I didn't really think much. And soon as he jumped out of his seat and that reaction, I was like, okay, that might come back to me at some point. And obviously, fast forward. I don't know how much it was half a year or something. He challenged me for the World Heavyweight championship. And I get where it came from. Like, what I said was not nice, not intend to be nice or anything like that. This is a. This business is a big shark tank. So whatever. Like, I say what needs to be said. And I felt good doing that, and I got very confident over the weeks. But last week when he appeared, stepped up to me. In all honesty, I have to say, that was like the first time, like, I felt that aura, that power of Bill Goldberg.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And we can say what we want about him. He's a certain age now. He's 58 years old. I mean, in a fantastic shape for that, like, still crazy athlete. But having that, in that moment, having him stand in front of me, that made me realize that you're in for something. So my mindset was very different this week going into the match compared to the weeks before.

[A]

And I have to tell you, I'm very glad that I was out in the audience watching this match, because something that did strike me is the fact that, like, I've seen a lot of your matches, and you have this. This substantial size advantage over a lot of the people that you've wrestled. And I don't think people take into consideration how big of a man Goldberg is. And, And, And. And watching you, even, you know, 58, 38, 28. It doesn't matter. Watching you, it wasn't as. I don't want to say easy. Cause it's never easy, but you having to physically hand handle Goldberg, I think seemed like more of a task than people realized.

[C]

Yes, I. I agree to that. And. And I feel like that's something about Goldberg in general. He's. He's not. He's not a Mount Rushmore wrestler of this business or anything, but him as a person, as a character, as a brand in this business, he is definitely, yeah, he's a Hall of Famer already, but a Mount Rushmore character. Mount Rushmore personality in his business, and that's what made him so special, is that he never needed to be like a good technical wrestler. He never needed to have a lot of finesse. Everything he did, and that's almost a little bit similar to what I do. He's very straight to the point. It's very straightforward. So that guy was not easy to handle for anybody he ever stepped in a ring with. So I expected that. But to be honest, today, that caught me by surprise. Like, I was out there with him for 15 minutes, maybe a little bit longer. I don't think anybody really expected that out of that match. And I expected it to be shorter. So that was a big surprise to me. And so that being said, after it's all said and done, I can pay my respects to him, to Bill Goldberg. He stepped out of like, he came back for the right reasons to fight for what's near and dear to him, obviously, was for the world Heavyweight championship. But I would say going into that, you could tell it was about something way more personal than a championship. So I gotta, yeah, pay my respects to him.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it was. It was amazing to watch it. Now, you didn't. While the match was happening, you still involved his son. You still. And I think that that's part of it. Right. You understand that this is something that he may be sensitive to and that you can keep to play those. Keep playing those games, but you do, like, you're very non emotional when you're wrestling, but it does seem you to bring. It does seem to bring you great joy. Like you moving that knee brace did seem to bring you some great joy.

[C]

Oh, great joy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I like that.

[A]

You do?

[C]

There's a. I would say put the finger in the wound. That's my. I have a degree in that. So.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, we've been talking about you, and we talked to you right after you beat Jey USO to win back this world heavyweight title. And we were talking about you tonight. And something that I've remarked on is that what made the match with you and Goldberg fascinating is, as you know, for this whole last five, maybe 10 years of Goldberg's career, anytime Goldberg's in a match, he might win the title. Like, there is no sort of, ah, he's just back for his last match. Oh, he's just on kind of a nostalgia tour. He might win the title because he has won the title before. And I feel like that rule of, well, if this person's in the match, this could happen, has now shifted in your direction where this is Twice now. And I feel like it's becoming your calling card where regardless of what kind of pro wrestling fantasy is at play, regardless of how much people like me and Megan can fantasy book. Oh, maybe Goldberg could win and this could happen, or that could happen. And then Goldberg goes to SummerSlam, and then this and then that, you come in like this. Like this cold hand of reality, and every single time you go, or I could just put the guy to sleep and win. Do you. Do you. Do you think that that's an accurate portrayal of who Gunther is now?

[C]

Yes, I think so. You explained that very well, I have to say. I have to say yes. And the end of the day in our business, in our industry, it's important that everybody's involved. It's important that everybody's having a big party when they come to our events. I get all of that. But as soon as, like, a championship on the line.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

As soon as there's money on the line, that's when it turns into business. And that's where all of the stuff you mentioned is secondary. What could be, what should be, who deserves what. I do not give a damn who deserves what. I deserve this, and I deserve to hold this for as long as I possibly can.

[B]

Gunter, the last time we talked to you on this show was after you defeated Jey USO and became the World Heavyweight champion. And you told us that after your victory, there was no one waiting for you in Gorilla. There was no celebration with the locker room. Now here we are in Atlanta, Saturday night's main event. There's a lot of legends in the building. Was anybody waiting for you today to congratulate you?

[C]

No.

[B]

And how did that make change?

[C]

I don't have friends around here, but that's a good explanation. I don't care about all of that. I know so many people that walk around, it's their family, every week on the road together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I do not care. I come here to be the best. I come here to make money, and I take all of that home with me to my family.

[B]

But as someone who that's. It really grew up, you know, watching the legends in this industry on a night like tonight.

[C]

Yes. Even back then, I watched them, and I knew, one day I'm going to be better. I was very certain, and it proves me right. I'm sitting here. I just retired Goldberg. Bill Goldberg. I kicked out of the jackhammer.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I choked him out in the middle of the ring.

[A]

As somebody who grew up watching this, you are a student of this game like you, you, you, you tackle this in a very non emotional way. Now, this is work for you now. But you did grow up a professional wrestling fan.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Was there any moment of realization when you're upside down and the blood is rushing to your head? Oh, my God. After all these episodes of Nitro that I watched, I'm about to get jackhammered.

[C]

Yeah, it did happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's a calculated risk. Tell you this. Yeah, I think Daimler or Mercedes, they built the very first car. And I bet back then all the enthusiasts about cars or automobiles respected that a lot. And he was a legend. But why should everybody after stop to pursue to become better than this, to build a better car, to do something even greater than all of them did. And yes, back then, when I was a boy, when I watched Goldberg and I watched all of them, I knew deep down one day, I'm going to sit there, I'm going to stand in the ring, raise up a World Heavyweight Championship, and I'm going to be better than all of them.

[A]

After you retire Goldberg, where do you see yourself going forward? Because, you know, I mean, this World Heavyweight championship scene to me has gotten very complicated. We saw that, you know, two weeks ago on Monday Night Raw when you were in the ring talking about Goldberg, and all of a sudden it exploded into something that involved multiple different superstars. CM Punk pushing you onto the ground, Paul Heyman and his gang, LA Knight was there.

[B]

Penta.

[A]

That's right. Penta is now involved in that main event scene, as is Jey uso, as is Sami Zayn. People you are of course familiar with. Is there sort of in your mind right now, now that this hurdle has been cleared, is there somebody that you think is a natural fit for who may be next? Or is that not anything that you concern yourself with?

[C]

Well, I'm aware everybody wants a ride on the ring. Generalise, coattail. That's normal to me. And yes, last week there was a lot of. Was it two weeks ago. There was a lot of other people involved. Didn't look too good for Seth Rollins today. See about that. And yeah, you touched on CM Punk.

[A]

But there was that moment with cm, you had that look in your eyes.

[C]

I know that moment. And that will be addressed in the future. But for to now and for today, I achieved something far greater than Bill Goldberg ever achieved.

[A]

That's true. I mean, Bill Goldberg.

[C]

So I gave him the honor of being retired by one of the greatest to ever do this. I'll leave you guys with that.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Because my night, it's late. My day has been long.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

My job is done.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

So wish you. Whenever you finish your show, have fun with that.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[C]

And I'm out of here.

[A]

And thank you to the World Heavyweight Champion, who, by the way, tonight did what Hulk Hogan could not do, and that's beat Goldberg for the World Heavyweight Championship in Atlanta. That's a huge accomplishment.

[C]

What you got to do about it?

[A]

That's right. What you going to do? He just said, no, no, not you. No, I won't. I won't do a thing. Gunther.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The World Heavyweight Champion. What an honor to be graced with his presence. And isn't. I mean, were you. I could tell as. Because I felt the same way as you're asking questions to this guy. Unflappable, this Gunther.

[B]

Yeah. It's almost like I. I know what he's gonna say, because with Gunter, it's the same thing. He puts guys to sleep. It's another day at the office for him.

[A]

And it's very interesting because I don't think that we've had many superstars like that in the wwe. You know, in the wwe, it's always been like, this is family, and this is this. And I'm doing this because of my passion, and I'm doing this because of my love for the game, my love for the sport, and my love for. We finally have somebody that's like, I'm going to work, and I'm gonna do the best. I'm gonna do a better job at work than anybody else does. And therefore, I'll make money, and I'm gonna bring it home. My family lives in my house, so I'm gonna go to work, I'm gonna do a great job, I'm gonna be the champion, and then I'm gonna go home to my family. And you're just like. The scary simplicity of that, to me, is what makes Gunther. Gunther.

[B]

Yeah. Scary simple is hitting the nail on the head.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so we were talking about. Speaking of family, we were talking about the mfts.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We were talking about Solo Sikoa. We were talking about the fact that he came to me into Saturday night's main event as a different sort of beast. I think that there's a clear distinction between Solo Sikoa's bloodline and this group of mfts in the sense that Solo is not trying to be anybody else. He's not trying to fill in anybody else's shoes. This is truly his group.

[B]

I did love how the crowd tonight at the State Farm arena was chanting tamu bloodline.

[A]

I don't need. You know, that was. It's not nice.

[B]

No, it's not. It did. It did get a little bit of a chuckle out of me.

[A]

You like the Teemu bloodline?

[B]

I did.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It made me laugh. I loved watching Solo Sokoa walk into the arena going through the metal detector with the United States Championship. The buzzer is going off. And he immediately waves it off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the swaggy Solo way.

[A]

He's very swaggy.

[B]

That he does. But what I love about this United States Championship version of Solo Sikoa is we've really spent like the last year seeing Solo in the velvet suit doing a lot of talking. We've seen Solo, you know, for the longest time, we were wondering what even is mft? We've seen him establish his bloodline and now as a champion, taking it to the next level with his mfts. And, you know, I. I did have some flashbacks when the mfts were putting the beat down on Big Jim of over a year ago. When Solo took out Jimmy Uso.

[A]

That's right. I mean, it was. And we. And we saw that. I mean, this match was. I mean, it was great in terms of the back and forth. We had Solo kicking out of an USO splash. We had Jimmy avoiding the Solo spike at one point. Jimmy goes to the top rope, and he does that like corkscrew.

[B]

I've never seen Jimmy uso move like that before.

[A]

I know. And he lands on the entire group of them. I think that we have barely scratched the surface of whatever this Tala Tonga is capable of, because in all my years, I've never seen somebody leverage his. His guy. I mean, Talatanga lifted his leg above the apron and pushed it behind Solo to leverage Solo in that pin. I thought that was absolutely phenomenal. But what I thought was really cool was after Solo, Sikoa won the match. After Solo's group completely wipes out Jimmy uso, Jimmy uso is gone. Here comes Jacob Fatu. Jacob Fatu is now looking down the barrel of four of the fiercest men that could possibly be looking at him in the wwe. And what does he do? He comes out there without an ounce of fear, and he takes them out in pairs to the point where he is the last man standing. He takes out JC Mateo and Tagaloa in the ring by just going corner to corner to corner to corner to corner. The speed on this guy and Sam.

[B]

Then what did he do?

[A]

Well, then he did that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he did this Samoan shuffle that he's really, really good at. Then talatonga comes in the ring and like, so Jacob was having a tougher time with Talatanga brings the rope down. So again, using that leverage, Talatanga goes over the top rope. And just as Jacob sees tala and solo together, he's able to take to the skies, jump on both of them using all these techniques that he's picked up along the way. Jacob fatu stands above this entire group of mfts. You know, I don't know that every night will be Jacob's night the way tonight was, but, I mean, I love seeing Jacob in that true sort of leadership. I'm the guy you should be afraid of role.

[B]

Well, and you talked about us fantasy booking earlier in the show, and I think when Jacob fatu came to wwe, he was a guy that said, oh, now solo's version of the bloodline means more. Jacob fatu is there and. And he's been a guy. We said, oh, I want to see solo versus Jacob. Oh, I want to see Jacob versus insert name here. After tonight, I'm saying, oh, wow, I really want to see Talatanga and Jacob fatu.

[A]

Yeah, I absolutely want to see it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think the reason you are so high on solo sikoa right now is that he comes into these situations with confidence.

[B]

Yeah, he does.

[A]

And that is exactly how you want to come into the situation. When you're buying a car, you gotta be confident when you're going out there and buying a car, Megan. When you're purchasing an automobile, this should be a fun thing. This should be something that you're thrilled to do. This should not be something. You should not go into a car dealership and go, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna spend all this money. I don't know if I'm spending too much. I don't know what I should be looking for. I don't know. What's this dealer telling me now? No, no, no, no, no. You go in with all the information. So when you leave with that automobile, you feel like you've had a great joy that day. You walk in feeling like solo sokoa, and you walk out feeling like solo sokoa. And that's why you gotta go to our friend at car gurus. Yes. Car gurus is going to help you out along this entire process of buying or selling a car. It's not you ever feel like car shopping is designed to make you second guess yourself all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Is this a good price? Making the right choice with car gurus, you don't have to wonder. They have the most inventory of new and used cars so you can find the best deal. And with unbiased deal ratings, price drop alerts and in depth vehicle reviews, you'll make a decision you can feel great about. Because a big deal should not feel like a big risk. Megan Cargurus is gonna connect you with trusted dealerships when you're ready, ensuring a transparent and hassle free buying process over 4 million listings. I'm telling you, this Cargurus, they know no bounds. It's no wonder similar web estimated traffic data shows Cargurus is the number one most visited car shopping site. Ask Gunter. You can trust number one. Buy or sell your next car today with [e-mail] Go to CarGurus.com to make sure that your big deal is the best deal. That's C A R G u r u s.com cargurus.com the world is full of tours. But you don't choose a Toyota truck to follow the beaten path. You choose it to find the places in between the detours where each adventure pulls you toward the next. And wrong turns turn out right. So why would you ever take a tour when you could take a detour? Toyota trucks is what I was talking about. With the new MFT Group Solo Sokoa retaining the United States championship, but it.

[B]

Was Jacob Fatu who dog walked they ass tonight.

[A]

Asses. Yes, all of them.

[B]

All of them.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Dog walked them all.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of asses to dog walk. And he did it. He did it. Who besides Jacob Fatu could pull all that off? I mean, look, it was, as Gunther pointed out, a tough night for Seth Rollins. Yeah, it was big victory for LA Knight. And it does make me wonder if LA Knight steps forward and looks at, I don't know, Gunther's title. I don't know. I don't know what next steps are for Gunther, but it looked like a tough landing off that springboard for Seth Rollins, L.A. knight following it up with the blunt force trauma, getting the victory right away. We don't have an update on Seth Rollins yet, but of course we're hoping for the best. And we're hoping that Seth Rollins only prospers coming off of that loss that LA Knight I'm sure will prosper off of quite a bit.

[B]

Yeah. No, the big win for LA Knight, though.

[A]

I mean, big win for LA Knight.

[B]

I'm looking for wins like that.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Huge win for La Knight and a huge moment in the hype for Evolution. Evolution will be tomorrow night. We will be here back in State Farm arena in Atlanta, hitting you with an Evolution recap podcast. And I can't wait for that. So we think it's really a special day. It's a super special day.

[B]

I mean, you and I were talking about this a little bit just when we were sitting out on the floor evolution 2. And you know there's a lot of young fans who grew up watching this. I just think about Roxanne Perez. Right? Roxanne Perez, we know her history watching Total Divas. This is really what she wanted to do. She's entering Evolution 2 as a champion.

[A]

That's right. That's a great point.

[B]

She was a little girl sitting on her couch watching Evolution 1. So I'm very excited for moments like that. And without Evolution one, we don't get the Roxanne Perez's. We don't get this generation of women's wrestlers that we have today.

[A]

And it's like imagine if you could tell a young Roxanne Perez that you're going to be able to walk into Evolution 2 as a champion who is friends with Dominic Mysterio. I mean that really.

[B]

All right, now you just took it a little.

[A]

Every young girl's dream watching the first Evolution.

[B]

Yeah, it all comes back to Dominic.

[A]

That that could even be possible. Really? Yeah. And you're good to point that out. But I will say too, it's not just about the history of it. Cause that's a huge part of it. But it's also about that, the personal rivalry. And a lot of times Evolution, it's just kind of like it becomes even more than this history making night. It becomes a night where some matches are so personal that they don't care where they do it. Jade Cargill and Naomi are not entering in Evolution to make history. They are entering Evolution to end the timeline of their opponent. That is what they want to do. I thought the moment tonight when you're going around the ring and there's Iyo sky at ringside and there's yeah, yeah, yeah, she's pointing to her head. And there's Rhea Ripley at ringside.

[B]

Proud of all the crowd.

[A]

Everybody's going nuts, by the way. Great crowd in Atlanta going nuts for this stuff. And then you see Jade Cargill and all of a sudden this very typical set of shots that WWE does where they're showing who's in the front row and everything Just erupts when Naomi attacks Jade Cargill. And then Jade Cargill starts fighting back. And then Naomi's on the table and Jade Cargill's on the apron. And they start to figure out, how are we going to keep this in line tomorrow at Evolution. And here comes Bianca Belair, announced as the special guest referee, as if this thing needed more dirt under the fingernails.

[B]

Well, it's almost like we've all been so caught up in this animosity that Jade Cargill and Naomi have for one another. That dates back before WrestleMania when Naomi became a tag team champion because she's the one who attacked Jade Cargill to take her out. She is the one that left Jade Cargill on the windshield of a car completely, completely battered and bruised. And Bianca was in the middle here. She was friends with Jade. She's also been friends with Naomi. And we've never really found out where Bianca stands in this situation.

[A]

You remember going all the way back to the elimination chamber and Bianca being stuck in that chamber watching this collision happen in front of her face, and she didn't want to see it. And that's kind of propel. But, yeah, I mean, you could end up in a scenario where you just call it right down the middle. But I've got to believe that Bianca's got to pick a side tomorrow.

[B]

And Bianca is a experienced now. Special guest referee. We saw her special guest referee a match between EO sky and Rhea Ripley not all that long ago.

[A]

So you're saying she already has her license, so they don't even have to. Before it was.

[B]

It was a big thing. She's. I don't know how to. I don't know how to be a referee.

[A]

You don't know how to be a referee?

[B]

She said it herself. She knows now.

[A]

I mean, it doesn't seem that tough if you look at what's going on.

[B]

She better not be talking to Charles Robinson.

[A]

Yeah, he doesn't know anything. He's been doing this thing all these. All these years, and he can't stay out of the action to save his life. Literally, to save his life.

[B]

But I'm glad to see Bianca, you know, looking at the Evolution card, it's like Bianca Belair is one of the biggest stars in this company. And I just kept thinking, where's Bianca gonna be at Evolution. So I'm so glad that she will be represented. And I'm.

[A]

Which side do you think she'll be on?

[B]

I kind of think Naomi.

[A]

Whoa, you think Naomi's side. Oh, that would absolutely break Jade Cargill. But to see the Big Three end up like this is. I mean, I don't think it's wild. It's a wild scenario.

[B]

I mean, Bianca helped get Jade to where she is. Has Jade ever thanked Bianca?

[A]

I mean, thank you? I don't know. I'm not following him around saying. Maybe they had a conversation. She said, thank you for helping me get to where I. What do you mean, thanked her? This isn't the thank you business. It's a professional wrestling business. They won the tag team championship together. Thank you.

[B]

Bianca could have been doing other things.

[A]

You never thanked me.

[B]

I thank you every day. Oh, that's right.

[A]

That's right. Look, I love looking at these grudges, okay? I love seeing a grudge settled. I love. You know what I love?

[B]

What?

[A]

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[B]

Yes, it was made.

[A]

Okay. And the SummerSlam challenge came about because we're watching Randy orton and Drew McIntyre.

[B]

Open this show, which, by the way, low key lit, right?

[A]

Not even low key lit. High key lit. It was super lit.

[B]

We just get a match to start. Saturday night's main event between two of the best ever, right?

[A]

Just two superpowers colliding. And honestly, both of them at peaks of their career.

[B]

Oh, and by the way, with Jelly Roll, who's one of the most famous musicians in the world, and Logan Paul.

[A]

Yeah, Jelly Roll is in Randy Orton's. Is in Randy Orton's corner. And then, yeah, Logan Paul in Drew McIntyre's corner. Okay, first of all, when you see these two pairs, which is more of a surprise to you, is it Randy Orton embracing Jelly Roll, who look, through a lot of his career, Randy Orton was a bit of a loner, not the most friendly guy in the world. Or Is it Drew McIntyre who has taken so much pride not only in professional wrestling, but in honesty and integrity, deciding to be best friends With Logan Paul, of all people, which, and I'm not saying anything, which of those two is more surprising to you right now?

[B]

Today. Today it's Drew McIntyre and Logan Paul.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because Drew McIntyre really always seems like the only person who has any reason.

[A]

Well, that's what he says.

[B]

Wwe. No, no, I, I, I, you agree with him. Yeah, I mean, listen, last time that, that we did a show after a Premium Live event, I made an argument how I didn't really think it was very nice of Cody Rhodes to throw his best friend Randy Orton into an exposed turnbuckle. You told me that my argument had no merit. And guess what? On Friday night smackdown, Drew McIntyre came out, called out Cody Rhodes for doing the same thing. He is logical.

[A]

I will tell you, Drew McIntyre did make the exact same argument as you. And I remembered telling you that your argument had.

[B]

I was watching the show and I'm thinking, did I make this up? Why would he tell me that Drew's onto something? Well, there is two great minds think alike, but I never thought in a million years that I would ever think like, you know, maybe Logan Paul's onto something. I never thought I would think that. He comes out with Drew McIntyre, suddenly I go, huh, you know, maybe Logan Paul has a point about this whole celebrity thing.

[A]

I mean, I think you'd fall for sleight of hand magic easily. What? Logan Paul saying that outsiders shouldn't be allowed in a ring because it's for us to be.

[B]

Well, Logan Paul was once an outsider and he's paid his due. I mean, his dues a little bit, but he's not showing up for one match.

[A]

Look, he has had a lot of matches. Logan Paul's a great athlete. But I mean, the idea, arguably, and.

[B]

I don't even know if this, you need to argue it, probably the best celebrity wrestler that's ever been in the company.

[A]

I'll say that argument has no merit. But, but no, no, no, no, no, it's got merit. If there's one thing, if there's one thing to learn from the I say that an argument has no merit conversation, it's that usually nobody should ever listen to me. I don't even know why, why I do this. But, but I, I would agree with you that the LOGAN Paul, Drew McIntyre Friendship is one that has caught me completely off guard. What it else has caught me off guard is watching Jelly Roll get physical. Jelly Roll is a nice guy.

[B]

Very nice.

[A]

Jelly Roll seems to be enjoying himself.

[B]

He always looks like, yeah, having a great time.

[A]

So we got this great Match there for the vibe. He's there for the vibes and he sets the vibes sometimes. We got this great match going down with Randy orton and Drew McIntyre. It's all good, we're all having fun. But I did notice that to me, especially when I feel like there keeps being conversations about Randy Orton getting distracted. Randy Orton hesitating. He kept getting distracted from the mission with Drew McIntyre by focusing on Logan Paul and I'm like, Randy, like focus on the task at hand here. Deal with Logan Paul if you have.

[B]

He's just such a pesto.

[A]

I. No, I get it, I get it. You're not wrong about that either. I thought he got physical right away, dumping each other on the table and whatnot. I loved it. I love that kind of physicality. But I think the first moment that caught everybody off guard was probably Jelly Roll shoving Logan Paul on the ground.

[B]

I didn't know Jelly Roll had Linham.

[A]

No, me neither, me neither. After, you know, chicanery and distractions, Randy Orton sees his spot. RKO. Randy Orton wins the match against Drew McIntyre. But then Logan Paul comes in and this chain of events was very, very interesting. Randy Orton wins. Logan Paul comes in and he's able to knock out Randy Orton. Logan Paul's got that power of the punch and he knocks out Randy Orton. Bit of a sucker punch. Randy didn't see his.

[B]

No brass knuckles.

[A]

No brass knuckles. But he's got that punch and he's on the ground and he's. And he's hitting Randy and he's hitting Randy. And then who comes in to save the day? Who's able to knock out Logan Paul?

[B]

Jelly Roll, but Jelly Roll.

[A]

Okay, Jelly Roll. Grammy Award winning artist, Jelly Roll knocks out Logan Paul. And then just when I was like, man, celebrity interaction has gotten really wild in wwe. Out of nowhere, Jelly Roll eats a claymore. And I'm like, I did not have on my bingo cart. The wwe. WWE goes, yeah, we're inviting Jelly Roll out. I go, well, that's really smart. Everybody loves Jelly Roll. He's a, he's a great performer. He'll sing his songs, maybe he'll come to the ring with Randy Orton. Everybody'd be happy to see Jelly Roll. I did not expect a full on claymore to make contact with Jelly Roll's face. He ate it completely and leave him lying out flat. And Drew did not. It wasn't a celebrity claymore either. It wasn't a, it wasn't a. I'm going to pull my claymore just a little bit because Jelly Roll hasn't gone through the proper training. It was, get out of my ring.

[B]

Yes, I am giving you this, Claymore. We are not messing around. Leave.

[A]

Leave. And then.

[B]

Is that what he sounds like?

[A]

That's exactly what he said.

[B]

It was like a little bit of a Southern accent.

[A]

Hundred percent. But then as they're trying to figure out what's going on and the general manager, I mean, obviously the general manager is going to be upset. Like, Nick Aldis doesn't want to invite celebrities on his show. And then the celebrity's gonna be worried about getting Claymore'd like. That's a tough position for him to.

[B]

Be in, extending the invite.

[A]

Right. So he's upset. They're going back and forth. And finally we settle on. We don't have it official. There hasn't been a graphic, but the challenge was made. Randy Orton, Jelly Roll, which I believe they called RK Roll. Is that what they called it? RK Roll. RK Roll, right. RK Roll has made the challenge. That's true. To face Logan Paul and Drew McIntyre at SummerSlam.

[B]

Do they have a name yet?

[A]

Uh, no. No. Logan Paul and Drew McIntyre do not have, I guess, the truth. Except. Except our truth. Ron Kelly might have a little problem with that. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I love that. I love when you talk about celebrity interaction and the way it should be done. I think that this is, this is the way to do it, to get Randy orton and Drew McIntyre involved as well and to find people like Logan Paul and Jelly Roll that will clearly, like, put everything into this.

[B]

Well, I thought coming off of Friday night smackdown and Logan Paul's promo. Yeah, like, that was an excellent promo. I mean, out of this world. And now to have the match between Drew and Randy and to see RK Roll, I think so team up. We're gonna get hopefully something at SummerSlam.

[A]

Well, it was a fabulous moment and there were many, many fabulous moments tonight at Saturday night's main event. And who knows? Some of those moments will be captured via Topps now. Of course, Topps now has made all kinds of cards. You've gotten the card of Ishowspeed getting speared by Bron Breaker. You've gotten the card of John Cena winning the 17th world title. That's what they do. Topps now, will, Will, Will put this moment on a trading card. Very limited time. I think you got like three days to buy it, and if you buy it, you'll get it, and if you don't, it's gone. Forever now when you're getting the tops now cards. Of course a few lucky people will get the will get the parallels, the refractors. Maybe there'll be some autographed ones as well this weekend. Make sure you're following ops on social and sign up for notifications so you don't miss out on any big moment cards. From what we just saw tonight at Saturday night's main event and what we're going to witness tomorrow because you better believe there will be Topps now cards for Evolution. But that's not all. You know, I was looking at Topps social media and they were dropping some previews of what's to come. And what's to come is the Cactus Jack line from Topps and from wwe Topps Chrome Cactus Jack. WWE is making its hobby debut. We saw a little bit of this at WrestleMania. Completely different set. Now this is the hobby set. Look for a wide variety of chase parallels of autographs, case hit inserts. It's all within the 100 card BA100 card base set. You can find your favorite WWE Superstars of past, present and future. You can look for randomly inserted autographs. The chases include like Astro Nights. Yes. Festival Fury, Famed Phantoms, Rodeo Rebels. Pre order get this is happening on July 14th. Get in on the pre order July 14th with a launch that is coming later next month. I can't wait to see it. Topps is just delivering. Who knows, maybe I'll buy a box and I'll bring it to to open up with my friend Hunter Hearst Helmsley. You never know. You never know. If you go dead, the knife will come out of your head.

[B]

It is a little bit of a bummer because there's been so few Dominik Mysterio as Intercontinental Champion moments. So it's kind of tough to make a card when there's so few.

[A]

No, they made a card of him winning the title at WrestleMania and any others. I mean there's only a limited. Listen, check that. Maybe there'll be one tomorrow. I don't know.

[B]

I'm just thinking about you as your favorite guy.

[A]

And there's plenty of Dominic Mysterio cards. Just check tops now. Okay? Just check. No. And I'll bet there'll be amazing Dominic Mysterio cards in the Cactus Jack set. So hopefully he, you know, probably not a lot of Megan Morantz, but a lot of Dominic Mysterios. Okay, so listen, you're.

[B]

You're over by the way, I was, I pulled into the arena today. There's a new parking attendant. Oh, and the parking attendant. Didn't know I was. Oh, I'm Maggie Morant. Whatever. I do the show with Sam Roberts. Oh, Sam Roberts. He's on everything.

[A]

I basically just follow Meghan Morant around and try to. Try to get a little bit of that, because everybody thinks Meghan's a very nice person, and nobody says that about me, so I just try to. That's why. You know what I mean? I'm hoping there's a little bit of osmosis going on here. Saturday night's main event was a spectacle here in Atlanta, Georgia. We are staying in Atlanta, Georgia. This is a fabulous city, and especially fabulous when there are two giant WWE shows in town. Tomorrow, Evolution is here. We will be here for it. Make sure you're subscribed to that podcast feed. Everywhere you listen to podcasts, Apple, Spotify, make sure that you're watching us on the WWE's YouTube channel. And after Evolution tomorrow, who knows what the world will look like? But we, Megan will be here to recap it with Evolution recap, which, by the way, will be a WWE and Fanatics original production. Thank you, guys. We'll see you tomorrow.