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Love as Holiness: Dr. Les Holland on Reconciliation, Pastoral Leadership, and COVID-Era MinistryPastor Sean Azzaro talks with Dr. Les Hollan, longtime pastor of Trinity Baptist Church and author of Love as Holiness: Dare to Live It, joined by his wife, Vicky. Holland reflects on following Buckner Fanning, building “love bridges” after a difficult church transition, and his emphasis on reconciliation, listening, and early-morning meditation. He explains the book’s origin in his PhD work and frames love as the way of experiencing God’s holiness, offering leadership lessons such as loving God first, casting clear vision while building consensus, and being willing to say “I don’t know.” Holland discusses leading through COVID, boundaries after retirement, and Vicky highlights the story-driven nature of the book. 00:00 Show Kickoff Banter01:03 Introducing Dr Les Hollan01:50 Call to Trinity Baptist03:33 Leading After a Predecessor04:34 Reconciliation Artist Story06:31 Love as Holiness Book07:32 Pastoral Pressure and Practices11:36 Leadership Lessons for Pastors13:53 Revelation And Humility15:12 Leading Through COVID16:27 Crisis Ministry Breakthrough17:40 Advice To Younger Self19:46 Retirement And Community22:46 Boundaries With Successor24:08 Vicky On The Book25:10 Wrap Up And Next Series

Sean Azzaro speaks to the value of Vacation Bible School and River City Community Church’s summer camps (2nd–12th grade), emphasizing discipleship through concentrated relationships, worship, and community. Sean urges parents to organize family life around the things of God, not treating church as negotiable or replaced by sports, activities, or Christian school, and to help kids sustain “camp high” by connecting to youth group. He shares scholarship opportunities via youth pastor Clay Burkholder (cburkholder@reallife.org) and announces camp June 8–12 at Camp Buckner and VBS July 13–17, with details at reallife.org.00:00 Welcome and YaYa Week00:43 Outnumbered Parenting01:14 Why Camp Memories Matter01:57 Daily Devotions and Activities04:29 Church Camps and VBS Options05:34 Why Youth Camp Works06:34 Choosing Faith First09:30 Parents Lead the Way16:27 Camp High to Lifelong Habits18:56 Scholarships Dates and Wrap Up

Sean Azzaro speaks to the value of Vacation Bible School and River City Community Church’s summer camps (2nd–12th grade), emphasizing discipleship through concentrated relationships, worship, and community. Sean urges parents to organize family life around the things of God, not treating church as negotiable or replaced by sports, activities, or Christian school, and to help kids sustain “camp high” by connecting to youth group. He shares scholarship opportunities via youth pastor Clay Burkholder (cburkholder@reallife.org) and announces camp June 8–12 at Camp Buckner and VBS July 13–17, with details at reallife.org.00:00 Welcome and YaYa Week00:43 Outnumbered Parenting01:14 Why Camp Memories Matter01:57 Daily Devotions and Activities04:29 Church Camps and VBS Options05:34 Why Youth Camp Works06:34 Choosing Faith First09:30 Parents Lead the Way16:27 Camp High to Lifelong Habits18:56 Scholarships Dates and Wrap Up

On Reaching for Real Life, Sean and Baron discuss grandparenting plans before turning to recent faith-centered patriotic events in Washington, DC around the upcoming 250th anniversary of the Declaration, including prayers led by Speaker Mike Johnson. Sean expresses caution about labeling such gatherings “revival,” emphasizing that true revival is “just Jesus,” marked by repentance, transformed lives, and changed communities, and warning against conflating Christian faith with Americanism or political bandwagons. 00:00 Granddaughter Intro00:33 Pops Camp Plans01:26 Last Week's Feedback02:21 Faith Events In May04:22 Revival Or Patriotism06:52 What Revival Looks Like08:29 Politics And Christian Witness12:35 Discernment and Follow-Up14:14 Gen Z Returns To Church15:30 Young Men Push Back17:33 Science And Secularism19:48 Jubilee And 250 Years20:28 Kingdom Of God First21:51 Revival Under Persecution24:31 Pastors Focus On Discipleship26:11 Church Invite And Wrap Up

On Reaching for Real Life, Sean and Baron discuss grandparenting plans before turning to recent faith-centered patriotic events in Washington, DC around the upcoming 250th anniversary of the Declaration, including prayers led by Speaker Mike Johnson. Sean expresses caution about labeling such gatherings “revival,” emphasizing that true revival is “just Jesus,” marked by repentance, transformed lives, and changed communities, and warning against conflating Christian faith with Americanism or political bandwagons. 00:00 Granddaughter Intro00:33 Pops Camp Plans01:26 Last Week's Feedback02:21 Faith Events In May04:22 Revival Or Patriotism06:52 What Revival Looks Like08:29 Politics And Christian Witness12:35 Discernment and Follow-Up14:14 Gen Z Returns To Church15:30 Young Men Push Back17:33 Science And Secularism19:48 Jubilee And 250 Years20:28 Kingdom Of God First21:51 Revival Under Persecution24:31 Pastors Focus On Discipleship26:11 Church Invite And Wrap Up

Sean Azzaro and Baron Wiley recap River City Community Church’s Mother’s Day service honoring moms, and the golf tournament fundraiser for Real Life Community Outreach.The conversation turns to the importance of fathers and grandfathers investing in boys, Sean’s memories of his grandfathers, and the intentional “YaYa Pops Camp” week of activities, devotions, and scripture memorization for all six grandkids.Sean cites Deuteronomy 4:9 on teaching future generations, emphasizing grandparents as storytellers and prayer warriors who respect parents’ authority while modeling a God-honoring family legacy.00:00 Show Kickoff Banter00:42 Mother's Day Reflections01:27 Honoring Mom Stories02:44 Golf Tourney Recap03:32 Moses Steals The Show05:32 Why Boys Need Men07:19 Knowing The Grandparents08:22 Lessons From Grandpa Pope09:22 Generational Role Shifts11:09 Great Grandparents Memories11:46 Grandparent Joy12:15 Yaya Pops Camp13:26 Camp Traditions15:51 Legacy and Stories19:55 Grandparent Boundaries22:53 Blessing with Resources24:27 Better Grandparents26:04 Church Invitation26:33 Podcast Farewell

Sean Azzaro and Baron Wiley recap River City Community Church’s Mother’s Day service honoring moms, and the golf tournament fundraiser for Real Life Community Outreach.The conversation turns to the importance of fathers and grandfathers investing in boys, Sean’s memories of his grandfathers, and the intentional “YaYa Pops Camp” week of activities, devotions, and scripture memorization for all six grandkids.Sean cites Deuteronomy 4:9 on teaching future generations, emphasizing grandparents as storytellers and prayer warriors who respect parents’ authority while modeling a God-honoring family legacy.00:00 Show Kickoff Banter00:42 Mother's Day Reflections01:27 Honoring Mom Stories02:44 Golf Tourney Recap03:32 Moses Steals The Show05:32 Why Boys Need Men07:19 Knowing The Grandparents08:22 Lessons From Grandpa Pope09:22 Generational Role Shifts11:09 Great Grandparents Memories11:46 Grandparent Joy12:15 Yaya Pops Camp13:26 Camp Traditions15:51 Legacy and Stories19:55 Grandparent Boundaries22:53 Blessing with Resources24:27 Better Grandparents26:04 Church Invitation26:33 Podcast Farewell

Sean Azzaro and Barron Wiley discuss how Christians can engage entertainment like Star Wars and Harry Potter with discernment, using it as an opportunity to help kids think biblically and critically rather than avoiding everything outright. They explore what it means to “share your faith, use words if necessary,” emphasizing that lifestyle matters but the New Testament also calls believers to speak about Jesus. The conversation compares different approaches to evangelism—from street-corner preaching to relational, everyday conversations—and highlights witnessing as simply telling what you’ve seen God do. Sean shares examples of praying for others, his son Ryan leading someone to Christ through casual invitations, and the need for churches and believers to rely on the Holy Spirit’s power (Acts 1:8) and not fear or shame. 00:00 Welcome and Banter00:45 Star Wars and The Force03:25 Harry Potter Discernment06:54 Talk Faith Naturally08:37 Street Preaching Debate11:23 Everyday Evangelism Stories13:19 Great Commission As You Go19:27 Church Culture Shift22:26 Spirit Empowered Witness24:08 Mothers Day and Church Info25:09 Closing Thanks

Sean Azzaro and Barron Wiley discuss how Christians can engage entertainment like Star Wars and Harry Potter with discernment, using it as an opportunity to help kids think biblically and critically rather than avoiding everything outright. They explore what it means to “share your faith, use words if necessary,” emphasizing that lifestyle matters but the New Testament also calls believers to speak about Jesus. The conversation compares different approaches to evangelism—from street-corner preaching to relational, everyday conversations—and highlights witnessing as simply telling what you’ve seen God do. Sean shares examples of praying for others, his son Ryan leading someone to Christ through casual invitations, and the need for churches and believers to rely on the Holy Spirit’s power (Acts 1:8) and not fear or shame. 00:00 Welcome and Banter00:45 Star Wars and The Force03:25 Harry Potter Discernment06:54 Talk Faith Naturally08:37 Street Preaching Debate11:23 Everyday Evangelism Stories13:19 Great Commission As You Go19:27 Church Culture Shift22:26 Spirit Empowered Witness24:08 Mothers Day and Church Info25:09 Closing Thanks

After the nod to moms for the coming Mother’s Day, and the dark tone of modern political rhetoric and the urging of prayer, the conversation turns to a growing spiritual hunger, noting public figures speaking about needing Jesus, and focuses on what it means to go “all in” as a disciple—an apprentice who follows Jesus in obedience, not merely through church attendance or good works. Sean shares how he left a promising polo career after a difficult internal struggle and found peace by obeying God. Say yes to Jesus and take steps of faith.00:00 Welcome and Banter00:40 Mother's Day Plans02:46 NFL Draft Talk03:48 Assassination Plot and Rhetoric06:48 Spiritual Hunger and Revival08:08 Going All In as a Disciple10:45 Following Jesus in Obedience14:23 Lukewarm Faith Warning16:44 Sean's Polo Testimony20:17 Church Updates and Service Times21:02 Say Yes and Closing Prayer