947. Q&AF: Navigating The Fear Of Uncertainty, Anxiety About Getting Older & Restoring Your Hunger

Summary

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Podcast Summary: REAL AF with Andy Frisella

Episode 947 – Q&AF: Navigating The Fear Of Uncertainty, Anxiety About Getting Older & Restoring Your Hunger

Release Date: October 6, 2025
Host: Andy Frisella
Guest Co-Host: DJ

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Episode Overview

In this Q&AF (Questions & Andy Frisella) episode, Andy and DJ take live callers and tackle raw, real-life challenges submitted by listeners. Core themes include handling the fear of uncertainty when pursuing big dreams, overcoming anxiety about getting older, and reigniting hunger when you’ve lost your drive.

Andy delivers hard-hitting, practical advice—anchored in personal experience—about business, self-belief, resilience, and what it truly means to pursue excellence, no matter where you start or how old you are.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Caller Riley: Navigating Uncertainty During Life & Career Momentum

Timestamps: 05:00 – 28:02

• Background: Riley is a 24-year-old musician in Austin, Texas, whose band’s momentum sparked anxiety—things were moving fast and he feared losing it all.
• Recent Growth: Riley describes overcoming a major lineup change, working through a serious back injury, and rebuilding trust in himself and his team.
• Fear of Crash & Burn: Riley asks how to handle the anxiety that rapid forward motion in life or career might end in disaster.

Andy’s Insights:

• Uncertainty is Normal:

  “Anything that you do, if you haven't been down the path before, is going to feel very uncertain. You're going to have doubts, you're going to have anxiety. And if you keep moving, ... things will work themselves out.” (12:30)

• Forward Momentum Matters Most:

  “When you don’t know what to do, just keep moving forward and figure it out one decision at a time. ... If you do that the best that you can, things tend to work out.” (11:30)

• Life’s Recurring Lesson:
  Facing new levels brings new uncertainty—marriage, starting a family, new creative milestones—so this feeling repeats, and success is about adapting through it.
• Refocusing Fear:
  Use anxiety and doubt as energy to double down on controllable actions, rather than letting them paralyze decision-making.

Notable Moments & Quotes

• On Surviving Injury and Leveling Up:

  “People who haven't been through a major injury don't understand how much of a test that really is ... You should be very proud of that. ... You should be trusting yourself at a high level at this point.” (19:03)

• Enjoy the Journey:

  “Don’t rob yourself of the joy of living. ... The building of the process is the fun part. It’s not getting there, it’s the building of it.” (24:13)

• Finding Purpose:

  “We need heroes, dude. We need stories. We need people that are going to build an amazing rock band out of an idea. ... You’re not just doing it—it's happening right now.” (21:28, 21:58)

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2. Q&A: Anxiety About Growing Older & Missed Opportunities

Timestamps: 34:20 – 40:50

• Listener’s Concern:
  Approaching 40, a listener feels anxious—worrying about lost time and fearing old age.

Andy’s Perspective:

• Redefining 'Old':

  “40 is really not old like it used to be. … Most people I know in their 40s are in better shape than people in their 20s because they're taking it more seriously.” (34:20)

• Regret Is Common but Not Fatal:

  “Bad things that happen when you get older other than ... regrets about time wasted. ... As someone who really didn't waste that much time, I still have that same feeling.” (35:58)

• Now is Always the Best Time:

  “People tell themselves these two stories that cost them everything: 'I'm too young' and 'I'm too old.' The appropriate time was 20 years ago; you know what the next best time is? Right now.” (39:20)

• Physical and Mental Fitness Are Keys:
  Taking care of health changes the experience of aging; poor habits accelerate decline, but improvement is always possible.

Memorable Quotes

• On Aging Well:

  “If you tell yourself you're too old, you're never going to be shit. If you tell yourself you're too young, you're never going to be shit.” (39:20)

• Cultural Shift & Opportunity:

  “You can live a quality life and do things at any age, bro. ... The Rock made most of his career in his 40s. He made most of his money in his 40s.” (38:59)

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3. Caller Jason: How Do I Restore My Hunger When I Start Getting Comfortable?

Timestamps: 41:01 – 61:10

• Background: Jason, a 19-year-old entrepreneur from Sweden, observes himself losing his hunger for success after achieving some initial stability. He worries about becoming complacent and fears losing what he’s worked for.

Andy’s Advice:

• Expand the Vision:

  “Your goal has to be expanded tremendously to restore that hunger that you are looking to restore. Hunger happens when we have a lot of distance to cover between where we are and where we're trying to go.” (43:25)

• Plan for a Big Life:

  “You probably need to be earning 10 times [what you think]. ... Not just for yourself, but for your future family and obligations you don’t see yet.” (44:53)

• The Bell Curve of Success:
  Andy describes a common pattern: you adopt new habits, rise quickly, let ego creep in and stop doing what works, then fall, and repeat—true humility and sustained success means doubling down on the basics.

  “When you are successful ... you have to continue to do the things that got you there, improve upon them, and be extra diligent about keeping your foot on the throttle.” (48:53)

• Harness Fear, Don’t Let It Paralyze You:

  “Instead of letting [fear] make you hesitate, it should be a signal to go harder. ... It’s a really great thing, bro, because most people don’t have that fear of losing.” (53:02)

• Accept Your Wiring:
  Ambitious, entrepreneurial types will always feel a degree of anxiety; embracing this instead of fighting it is crucial.

  “You've been given the gift of ambition and drive, and it's very important for you to fulfill that. ... You're going to feel differently than what most people feel.” (56:00)

• Inspire Others:
  The value of being an example, especially as someone who took an unconventional path.

Notable Quotes

• On Setting Bigger Goals:

  “If you want to be hungry, dude, you gotta set bigger goals ... 10 years from now, 20 years from now, not just one year from now.” (43:25)

• On the Gift of Ambition:

  “When you’re given the gift of being a builder and a creator ... it’s just a different life, dude. There’s gonna be anxiety and fear and frustration. As long as you know how to deal with those things properly, you’re going to be one of the people that everybody looks at.” (57:05)

• On Proving What’s Possible:

  “People need to see these stories and they need to see, you know, young Jason who dropped out of school at 15 years old to build something that he cared about that's going to inspire other people, man.” (59:10)

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Additional Insights

On the Process of Success:

• The Hockey Stick Effect: When momentum hits, it accelerates quickly—success requires hanging on, not fearing mistakes, and realizing most setbacks aren't fatal (29:14).
• Gratitude:

  “The trick of gratitude is that it's most important when things aren’t good. ... I have this tremendous opportunity to overcome this, which is only going to make me stronger, better, and more skilled.” (29:26)

On Cultural & Social Myths:

• The Danger of Internet Gurus:

  “This whole instant gratification sales internet guru nonsense... poisons people's minds and ... does way more harm than good.” (31:44)

• On Real Life:

  “You should not buy anything from anybody ... that only sells info. If you only sell info, and that's all they sell, you should not buy anything they sell. ... You deserve to lose your money.” (32:41)

• On Proximity to Success:
  Intentionally surrounding yourself with higher achievers is critical. Successful people aren’t special, they’re just normal folks with huge goals and the willingness to act (62:24).

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Memorable Quotes: Quick Reference

• Andy Frisella:

  • “When you don’t know what to do, just keep moving forward and figure it out one decision at a time.” (11:30)
  • “People tell themselves these two stories that cost them everything: 'I'm too young' and 'I'm too old.'” (39:20)
  • “You can be a badass in your 40s if you want to. The Rock made most of his career in his 40s.” (38:59)
  • “When you start to feel the hesitation and you start to feel like, oh, maybe I’m gonna lose ... that’s your awareness telling you that I need to push forward.” (53:02)
  • “When you’re given the gift of being a builder and a creator ... there’s gonna be anxiety and fear and frustration. ... You’re going to be one of the people that everybody looks at.” (57:05)

• DJ:

  • “It’s excellence in your life. Whatever that is, bro, I think it’s sick.” (28:38)

• Riley (caller):

  • “I can trust the process more ... but there’s still that uncertainty ... especially when you’re working as an independent musician.” (07:43)
  • “My mom always tells me, don’t rob yourself the joy of living.” (24:13)

• Jason (caller):

  • “It feels like I’m less hungry for success than I was before. ... Is this a mindset shift I have to make?” (41:32)
  • “...Becoming, like, fearful of going back down again ... a fear of losing what I worked for.” (52:11)
  • “It makes me, like, push harder, but I haven’t thought of it.” (58:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Discussion with Riley (Fear & Fulfilling Potential): 05:00–28:02
• Q&A on Getting Older: 34:20–40:50
• Discussion with Jason (Restoring Hunger): 41:01–61:10

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• Everyone experiences uncertainty, fear, and doubt—what matters is to keep pushing forward, using adversity as fuel.
• Aging is not a roadblock but an opportunity; the story that you’re too old (or too young) holds countless people back.
• Success requires redefining goals, accepting the recurring challenges, and seeking inspiration in others’ stories.
• Proximity to high achievers and executing fundamentals is more important than flashy shortcuts or instant gratification.

Want to level up? Dream bigger. Act bolder. Enjoy the ride—and don’t let fear make you miss out on the joy of building.

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Transcript

[DJ]

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[Andy Frisella]

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[DJ]

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[Andy Frisella]

What is up, guys? It's Andy Frisella. And this is the show for the realists. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness and delusions of modern society, and welcome to reality, guys. Today we have Q&AF that. That's where you submit the questions and we give you the answers. Now, you could submit your questions a number of different ways. DJs going to tell you all about that, guys.

[DJ]

The first way is you can email us. You can [e-mail] you guys can also leave your questions in the YouTube comments on the Q and A episodes. Or you can also lastly click the link in the description below to sign up for an opportunity to be a live caller. That's three.

[Andy Frisella]

Hang on. Dude, this don't taste right. It doesn't. Tastes like.

[DJ]

Tastes like roofy. Damn it.

[Andy Frisella]

All right.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

All right, guys, throughout the week, if you're new, we have shows within the show. The first show you're gonna hear it today is Q and A. F. That's where we answer your questions and solve the problems you got going on with your business, your life, whatever you need to be better. That's what we talk about. Typically, it's entrepreneurship, personal development, how to get better. Then we're gonna have cti. CTI is cruise the Internet. That's where we talk about current events. We speculate on what's true, what's not true. We laugh about most of these idiots, and then we talk about what we need to do as people to solve these problems going on in the world. Other times, we're gonna have real talk. Real talk is just five to 20 minutes of me giving you some real talk. Kind of like a rant, a little motivational speech, so to speak. And then we have 75 hard verses. That's where someone who has completed the 75 hard program comes on the show. Talk about how they were before, how they are now, and how they use the 75 Hard program to transform their lives. If you're unfamiliar with 75 Hard, it is the initial phase of the Live Hard program. The Live Hard program is the world's most famous mental transformation program ever. And it's free. And you can get the whole thing at episode 208 on the audio feed. If you're looking to get your shit together, this is a great place to Start. There's also a book [e-mail] that gives all the details of Live Hard, plus a whole bunch of other content on mental toughness, why it's important, how to use it to become the person that you are meant to become. All right? That book is not free, but it's good. You can get [e-mail] now, we do things a little different here, okay? It's very simple. We do have a fee for the show. The fee is. Fee is not monetary. You don't have to buy anything unless you want to stop by your friendly neighborhood 711 and get yourself one of these amazing form, energy, screaming freedoms. Every time you crack one, an eagle is born. That's a fact. Zach Gavin Newsom.

[DJ]

You know what's boring? When you crack a grape one.

[Andy Frisella]

Smoke.

[DJ]

Detector batteries get changed.

[Andy Frisella]

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[DJ]

Share the show.

[Andy Frisella]

All right? You know what that means so people know what that means. Don't be one of these people that just consumes and doesn't tell anybody.

[DJ]

It's a really great episode. I love these guys.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, help us out, man. Yeah, that's how we grow, man.

[DJ]

We're growers, not showers.

[Andy Frisella]

That's right. So what's happening, dude?

[DJ]

What's going on, man?

[Andy Frisella]

Nothing, man.

[DJ]

Yeah, you know, it's a funny thing. Like they say, when you like somebody, you start modeling their mannerisms a little bit. I just caught myself like them over here, you know?

[Andy Frisella]

I don't know why I do that, bro.

[DJ]

What? Cross your arms.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, it's just comfortable.

[DJ]

Yeah, it is. I don't know how to.

[Andy Frisella]

I'm like. I don't know what to do with my hands. What do we do? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got to do. I forgot. I got to throw in my freemason.

[DJ]

Apparently, you got to do that. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, man. No, man. Guys, what's going on, man? It's Monday. It's a great day to get better. When you guys are listening to this. It's not Monday when we're recording. Yeah, I've learned that lesson, but no, man, we. It's Q&AF. We got some really, really good questions lined up, and let's make some people better.

[Andy Frisella]

Let's do it.

[DJ]

Let's do it. Let's. We're gonna kick things off. Let's kick them off with a phone call.

[Andy Frisella]

Let's kick them off with a phone call.

[DJ]

Let's kick it off. Let's give. Let's give Riley a call.

[Andy Frisella]

Riley.

[Riley]

Hello?

[DJ]

Hello, is this Riley?

[Riley]

Yes, sir. Is this dj?

[DJ]

This is dj. How's he doing, man?

[Riley]

I'm doing great, man. How are you doing?

[DJ]

I mean, I'm, you know, I'm chilling, man. Thanks for asking, bro. I appreciate that, man.

[Andy Frisella]

No one cares, bro.

[Riley]

Absolutely.

[Andy Frisella]

Riley. What's happening, bro? How are you, dude?

[Riley]

I'm doing great, man. It's the next excellent to speak to, sir.

[Andy Frisella]

All right, bro. Just I. I appreciate you. What. Where are you at, man?

[Riley]

I'm in Austin, Texas.

[Andy Frisella]

Oh, we love Austin.

[DJ]

Austin's great.

[Andy Frisella]

Austin's a great place.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

What are you doing down there, brother?

[Riley]

Right now? I'm in between classes at school.

[Andy Frisella]

No, I meant what are you doing? What are you doing?

[Riley]

Oh, what am I doing down there? Yeah, I'm a musician.

[Andy Frisella]

All right, Cool, cool, cool. What do you play?

[Riley]

Drums.

[Andy Frisella]

Oh, badass.

[DJ]

That's. That's badass.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, it's a hard instrument to play.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

How long you been playing drums, brother?

[Riley]

A little over 13 years now.

[Andy Frisella]

Oh, man, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, bro, what do you got going on down there? What can we help you with?

[Riley]

Yeah. So. All right, here we go. The question I asked was, I'm a musician in Austin. I play in a band that is developing strong momentum. Things are coming together fast. There's a part of me that doesn't trust how fast things are moving. How do you handle situations where crash and burn seems inevitable? And so when I sent in that question, that was a few months ago, the beginning of summer, if I'm not mistaken. And so a lot has changed since then, and there was a lot of uncertainty and lack of faith in the process, with the situation I was in, for sure. And it just felt like it would fall apart or it would stay together.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Riley]

And.

[Andy Frisella]

And what happened?

[Riley]

Well, we went through a lineup change and kind of took care. That kind of took care of itself. And. But now I'm. I'm with the right people. I have my brothers, and we're building something that is. That I know is going to change music and change American culture.

[Andy Frisella]

Good.

[Riley]

And if I. I can. I feel I can trust the process more. But even so, we're even in a position now where things are still moving fast, and there's that uncertainty, especially when you're working as an independent musician. And there's not. We don't. You know, there's no record label. There's. Our team is very small. We're just getting started. And the way things are picking up. There's that. That fear of the uncertainty where you don't know what's gonna happen. And I can only control the things I can, and I surrender to the things I can't. So trying to trust the process and understand that it'll work out, however it works out is tough because I want. I like, to be able to, you know, have that security. But.

[Andy Frisella]

Right.

[Riley]

No, the line of work that I'm in, that's. That's not really what I got myself into.

[Andy Frisella]

Right. Totally, bro. Look, how old are you, man?

[Riley]

I'm 24.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay, so this is the first time in your life where you've truly caught positive momentum. Is that correct?

[Riley]

Yes, sir.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay, so, dude, first of all, congratulations on that. Most people never even get to that point. All right? What I want you to hear from me today is, is that that's normal, okay? When you've never experienced something, and I want you to think about it in different context, okay? Let's take away the momentum you're creating with your business, and let's just apply it to a different area of life. Let's say you're going to go on a trip, okay? And you don't have everything planned, but you know that when you go there, you want to kind of do this or that, and you have a loose idea of how it's going to go. And you go on the trip, and before you go, you get really anxious. I don't know about you, but I get travel anxiety sometimes. And you start to think about, like, oh, man, I wonder if this is going to go the way I want. And this and this and this. Because you've never done it before, bro. And then once you go on the trip and you've been around that place once or twice now, instead of, like, wondering how it's going to go, you're like, oh, I can't wait. I'm going to go to this place. I'm going to go to that place. I'm going to see my friends here. I'm going to go eat here. And you have a much more comfortable understanding of what to expect. And so that's what's happening with you just in a different area of life. You've never experienced this. You've created something that you want to create, so there's an emotional attachment to it. And then we have this. We have this part of us, all of us have this, that sort of, like, puts doubts in our head and makes us kind of, you know, hesitate and, you know, anxious and scared. And the good thing about you is that in the face of that. And this is really cool because you wrote this question, you saw what happened, and now we're talking about it. But you felt that coming, bro, and you kept moving. And that is the key. You've learned a massive lesson here, brother. The lesson is, is that anything that you do, if you haven't been down the path before is going to feel very uncertain. You're going to have doubts, you're going to have anxiety. And if you keep moving, like you said, the things will work themselves out. And if you control what you control and then surrender to the rest, things will move the way that you want to move. The problem that most people run into is that they don't control any of the things they can control. And then they expect to get where they're wanting to go, and it's just pure chaos. It never happens. And they. And that's why so many people have this idea that success, you know, pursuing success is this massive risk, when in reality, the risk is not pursuing it. Right? So it's. You know, I know you've already figured this out, but I think it's very important for the listeners to hear this, is that when you don't know what to do, just keep moving forward and figure it out one decision at a time, okay? You handle today, you handle tomorrow, you handle the next day. And if you do that the best that you can, things tend to work out in the direction that we're trying to get. And I would chalk this up, brother, as a very valuable life lesson, because I could tell you as someone who's 20 years older than you, you. You're going to run into this many times, okay? When you launch a new album, when, when you move from doing little clubs to medium clubs to big clubs to. To stadiums, like, these are all new things. And this. This process of uncertainty is going to repeat itself in your life over and over and over again. You know, when you get married, you're going to feel this way. When you start to have kids, you're probably going to feel this way. It's just a very natural feeling that we as humans have about never being down the path before. And the, The.

[Riley]

The.

[Andy Frisella]

The problem is, is that most people just stop when they start to feel that way. And you've already shown that you have the innate understanding to keep moving and then just handle it as it goes. So it's very important for everybody to listen to what Riley just went through, because this is a situation that is not exclusive to Riley. It's exclusive to any of us, anytime that we do something new. All right, So I could give you examples of that in my life, you know, when, for example, you know, we've. Our big initiative right now is. Is the energy drink. Well, I mean, bro, like, I've never done this before. Like, I have doubts and I'm nervous and. And I've got anxiety about those things. But how I respond to those after being in this game so long is to push hard, to make sure to, like, do everything I can. And I take all of those uncertainty feelings and all of this anxiety and all of these things that, you know, would. Would normally derail people. And I use that and funnel that energy into doing every single thing that I can to make sure that the outcome is most likely the one that I'm after. And that's all we can do, brother. That's all we can do. Yeah, we keep getting better. We handle what we handle. We push, we push, we push. And the outcome is going to be somewhere better than where we are now. And even if it takes longer for you to get where you want to go than what you think, that's okay, because you go down, you know, and whatever outcome is produced, you. You then set that the new base point. And this is another place that people quit. People will see a project through, and it didn't turn out the way that they want. And even though they saw the project through, they don't realize that. That they're not through. This is just another place for us to regather, collect where we are, and then go again. And so it's the constant process of pushing through the uncertainty, seeing where we end up evaluating that, then deciding where we want to go from here and making a new plan and going again. And every time you go again, that same feeling that you have, Riley, is going to. Is going to occur. So the best thing that we as humans can do is to use that feeling of uncertainty, doubt, anxiety about things not working out, and then channel that energy into making sure that we do the most that we can to dictate the proper outcome. And I can tell you, dude, like, when I started out on this journey of, you know, pursuing entrepreneurship and becoming successful and all these things, bro, I mean, I thought it was fucking magic, too. Like, I thought it was. I thought it was out of my control. I thought it was, you know, I thought there was luck involved. I thought there was, you know, divine intervention, and there probably is some divine.

[Riley]

Intervention, but I believe that for sure.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. But at the end of the day, dude, if we Handle what we can handle. The chances of us not being in a better spot are almost zero. And then we just have to choose to keep going, brother.

[Riley]

Well, it's interesting because in late December of 22. So I'm originally from Utah. I moved here November 1st of 21. And in a year goes by, in December of 22, my bat goes out my. I have a torn disc in my L5S1 I have. I spend the next six weeks, like, getting myself to be able to walk comfortably again. I can't reach past my knees. That was a huge test to really see just, oh, yeah. If. If I had the. The fortitude and capabilities to keep moving forward, because especially, you know, as a musician and a drummer, I'm dependent on my body. And so being able to work through that, and I can now I can reach past my toes. I've put in a ton of work to really focus on my mobility and keep my body in check. I. I do 75 hard every single year. I'm on it right now. It's. It taught me a lot. And it. I was really able to at least trust in myself and know that, well, I'm gonna figure this out one way or another. And so when that happened over this. Excuse me, this summer, and I was able to see also and I knew I would be able to rely on my team and my brothers was. Because they also kept showing up and we kept showing up for each other and. And we never gave in. We, like, we thought. We thought we were done for. We thought we were gonna have to start over and from school, from square one, but we there. You know, the show's really f. And I try. I call myself a realist. I try and, yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Riley]

Operate in reality, but there is an element to this where that is a bit of that idealistic fantasy of where, like, the. The future that I'm working towards doesn't exist yet. And so I have to force myself to believe that it does exist and that I don't have an option. And so I. I twist that and use that and put that into the daily actions. And I can only just. Just look at the results and know, yeah, my back went out and I handled it. Yes, I now am in better shape than I've ever been.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. And that's badass shit. Dude. Dude. People who haven't been through a major injury don't understand how. How much of a test that really is. Like, I'm. I'm following you, bro. You should be very proud of that. That's some badass Shit, you should be trusting yourself at a high level at this point.

[Riley]

Thank you. And I think that. I think that's the, The. The biggest part that I fight myself over is because I am able to look back and say, oh, I've done this and this. I've. I've dropped my own ep. I've. I've dropped a live album. I've done. I've done these great things that me, five years ago would have been stunned. He wouldn't have believed it would happen, but it has. And I'm not even like, this is just the beginning.

[Andy Frisella]

That's right, dude.

[Riley]

So I, like, I think it's the level of the standard where I try and bring myself and ground myself to be like, you're not like you. I try and hold myself accountable. So to make sure I am doing enough, but not get too, like, I guess, drive myself crazy where it's, you know.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Riley]

Like, it, like, it's never enough. I have to be able to.

[Andy Frisella]

Yes.

[Riley]

Actually trust that what I am doing is actually something. Because I. I'm very hard on myself and especially with my, like, my back still gives me problems. And so on 75 hard. I'll. I'll be mad at myself if I can't do as an extreme a workout as I want to, but I have to focus on keeping my body in check. This isn't about breaking myself. This is about keeping myself in the best physical condition for what I do.

[Andy Frisella]

It's about training your body and your mind, brother, 100%.

[Riley]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

Listen, dude, I. From what I'm hearing, dude, I would go to war with you. I mean, look, you've been through some difficult. You're doing something that there. Where you feel like right now, there's no guarantee, but I could promise you, dude, if you continue to show up the way that you're going to and, and you think about it the way that you're thinking about it and you're operating the way that you're operating, you will get where you're trying to go. All right? And there's been a lot of other people.

[Riley]

I don't have a choice.

[Andy Frisella]

That's right. And by the way, bro, and I say this all the time, people laugh. But, like, we need heroes, dude. We need stories. We need people that are going to build an amazing rock band out of an idea. We need people who are going to build amazing companies. We need people to show the younger generation what those things look like. And so, dude, not only, like, you're doing it, dude, like, it's not that it's gonna happen. It's happening right now. And.

[Riley]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

And.

[Riley]

And, dude, it's hilarious. I have a. I have a class.

[Andy Frisella]

Hold on, bro. Hold on. I want to tell you something. Sorry, this is very important for you to hear. I spent a lot of my life wondering and working so fucking hard wondering if I was ever gonna fucking make it, dude. And I was so serious and so dedicated to it that it cost me a lot. That it didn't have to cost me. Ok? And you need to understand, there is no magic to this, bro. You are executing. It is happening right now. I'm looking at pictures. DJs throwing pictures of your Instagram up here. You're doing it. And I had a friend one time, we. We. I drew up my plan on what I was going to do in business and I was. Dude, it was almost. It's crazy because, like, he was my age and I was your age, and I drew up, I said, this is gonna. This is what I'm trying to do. And this and that. And his. His advice or his response was the exact same. I'm telling you, he's like, dude, you're doing it. But I didn't believe him at the time. I was like, no, it still could not happen. It might not happen. And I kept working. But the point that I want you to hear is that you. You have to understand, bro, this will happen for you if you do the work. And I don't want you to spend the next 10 or 5 or 20 years so concerned about it not happening and not enjoying what you're doing. Because I'm going to tell you, dude, the building of the process is the fun part. It's not getting there, it's the building of it. And it's. It's you doing photo shoots and performances in this cool gas station that I'm looking at. It's you doing. It's you playing in front of, you know, the boundary. Yeah. A few hundred people, and then, you know, five, 10 years from now, you're paying. Playing in front of 100,000. You know, so I. My point is, brother, is you're doing it. And I. I want you to enjoy this as you do it. That's my point.

[Riley]

My mom always tells me, don't rob yourself the joy of living.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. And. And you can work very hard and be dedicated and still have that, bro. By the way, I'm looking at this photo that you posted on July 23 of 23, where you guys are, like, doing that set in the gas station. That's that goes hard as, dude.

[DJ]

Pretty sick.

[Andy Frisella]

It's. That's badass.

[Riley]

Anyway, thank you, man.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, brother. Listen, man, I've really enjoyed this conversation, man, and I think it's going to be very valuable to people that are. That are coming up and chasing a dream, just like you and that dream that you're fucking building, bro. Do not give up on it. Do not give up on it. People don't take it like you're taking it. They don't systematically take it seriously. They go, they play, they think they might make it. They party their fucking balls off. You will make it if you keep going, dude, you will fucking make it. So just keep going, brother. Yeah.

[DJ]

Love it, man.

[Riley]

Thank you, man. Yeah, I. I will say, I. The thing that keeps me going and knowing that, like, it is going to happen.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Riley]

Is this is my purpose and fulfillment. This is what I'm put on this earth to do. And with the. The insanity of what is happening in the world, that that little voice in my head will question and say, like, man, you're just being a musician, playing music when they're. With everything happening. But I'm like, no, what I do has purpose and value.

[Andy Frisella]

Massive purpose. It's massive purpose, bro. Music is one of the most important, impactful forms of human relation. Like, dude, revolutions have started because of music. That's the truth.

[Riley]

It's the language we all speak.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, absolutely, brother.

[Riley]

Man, thank you so much. I can't tell you how much you've impacted my life. I'll give a shout out to my cousin Derek Bowler for turning me on to you in 2018. I've been listening ever since, and it has really shaped my mentality, my approach to life. It gave me permission to. To go hard and get after it and really shape my life into what it is, because I. I am doing it. I. I do feel that. And it's. It's only level. I'm only leveling up.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. A hundred percent. Dude, you're 24, dude. You're gonna be a legend if you keep going. Real talk.

[DJ]

That's real, bro.

[Andy Frisella]

So.

[DJ]

That's real, man. Riley, dude, we appreciate you, bro.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. Dj, shoot me his stuff so I can follow him.

[DJ]

I got you doing it right now, right? We appreciate it, bro. We're gonna stay followed on you, man.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Riley]

I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you, dj. Thank you to the team, everybody. And I will promise you this. I will play Summer Smash, dude, I.

[Andy Frisella]

I believe it, bro. And also, when. When we come to Austin, bro, we'll have to Get a bite to eat or something.

[Riley]

Yes, absolutely, man. I would love that.

[Andy Frisella]

We'll hit you up, brother. You, dude. Hey, Riley.

[Riley]

Sounds good, brother.

[Andy Frisella]

Just so you know, you're the reason I do this. Like, this is the reason I do this. So this is. This is very cool for me too, brother. It means a lot.

[Riley]

Thank you.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Riley]

I wear that bison with pride.

[Andy Frisella]

I know you do. I see it. I'm walking. I'm watching it right now. All right, brother. We'll talk you soon, Riley. Thanks, bro.

[Riley]

Hey, y' all have a great day. Thank you so much.

[Andy Frisella]

You too. That's awesome.

[DJ]

That's cool, man.

[Andy Frisella]

Bro, I love that.

[DJ]

That's cool.

[Andy Frisella]

I love that. That's sick, dude. It's the best ever, you know, And I was. And you know what's cool about it, dude, is like, it's outside the realm of what most people think that we talk about here. You know what I'm saying? Pursuing a dream. Like, we could. We could. We could substitute entrepreneur for the dream, right? Like, it's the same. It doesn't matter if you're a artist or an organizer or. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ]

It's. It's excellence in your life.

[Andy Frisella]

Correct.

[DJ]

Whatever that it is. Whatever that is, bro, I think it's sick. One of the things, too, I thought was really interesting. I want to expand more on this convo, you know, But I know you have mentioned, you know, the road, the path of success, being like that. That hockey stick.

[Andy Frisella]

Oh, yeah.

[DJ]

You know, and he mentioned, like, hey, things are kind of moving quick. Right. And I. I don't think this is something we've dove into, but when you get that hockey stick that in that people talking about starts moving really quick, a lot of things start happening.

[Andy Frisella]

How.

[DJ]

How do you process that piece of it? When you go for so long and there's nothing.

[Andy Frisella]

You hang the on, bro.

[DJ]

Yeah. Is that what it is?

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. You hang the on and hope that you don't make a fatal mistake, which, dude, the truth is there's very few fatal mistakes unless you're out actually dead. You know what I mean? The rest of it just becomes a part of the story.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

So, you know, I think people. People, you know, when you're young, dude, and you know, you haven't really done anything yet, you're trying to do something, people get terrified of it up. And that costs them so much anxiety and so much, you know, stress. But at the end of the day, bro, the truth of the matter is there's very few things that you can't fuck up that you can't make an amazing part of. Of a story from. You know what I mean? So these lessons that you mess up along the way end up becoming the things that give you the skills to win at a higher level. And you just have to possess the resilience to take those hits and take those losses and appreciate them, you know, and that I did a post on this yesterday, I believe, about gratitude. You know, it's easy to have gratitude when things are going well, right? And it's easy to be grateful when everything's good. But the trick of gratitude is that it's most important when things aren't good. It's most important when things are falling apart to be able to say, hey, I'm thankful to be in this position because not only am I going to learn a lot, but I have this tremendous opportunity to overcome this, which is only going to make me stronger, better, and more skilled at what I do. And I'm in a position and things may not be going well right now, but I'm still in a very, very good position compared to a lot of people in the world. You know, there's a lot of people who are sick. There's a lot of people who are going to die today. You know, there's a lot of people who, you know, they're never going to have the opportunity to even come back from what I have, you know, those. That's when gratitude really matters, bro. And so, you know, when we put it all together, man, at the end of the day, it's. We're all very fortunate to have the opportunity to build, create, and become things. And it's very sad to me that people abandon that opportunity because it's hard, right? What the fuck do you want to do, bro? You want to be. You just want to sit on your couch all day? Like that's what you want your life to be. You know what I mean?

[DJ]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

It's not. It's not a real life supposed to be hard.

[DJ]

It's gonna be hard regardless.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, but it's. But it like this whole. I was talking to a friend this morning, bro. This whole instant gratification sales Internet guru nonsense, it, dude, it poisons people's mind and it up their. Their understanding of what it really takes to succeed. And it does way more harm than good because you have all these people who hear these people talk who appear to be credible, and then they go out in the real world and they experience something completely different that's much harder, much more difficult, and then they Say, well, I'm, I guess it's just not for me. No, it's, it's not that it's not for you. It's that you were lied to about what the process actually is. And that really hurts young people, especially today. You know, one of the biggest advantages that I had is I didn't have that. You know, that's the biggest advantage in that.

[DJ]

Crazy.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, the biggest advantage that I had was that I didn't have 7,000 people a day telling me how I was going to get rich quick. That that was fucking. Because there was none of that shit. So, you know, it's hard, it's really aggravating because what these gurus sell people, I mean, real talk, dude, you should not buy anything from anybody that hasn't, that cannot actually show you their business, their product, their service, and, and that it's outside of info, period. If you, if you only sell info, and that's all they sell, you should not buy anything they, they sell, period. I don't care who the it is. So it's a, it's a good rule of thumb. And dude, that's 99 of these people like you guys signing up to go sit in some fucking retards living room and fucking have him draw on a fucking piece of paper because he's got a Lamborghini. You're a fucking idiot. You deserve to lose your money. Real talk. Like, I don't know what to, I don't know what to.

[DJ]

Like the first lesson of business.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. Like.

[DJ]

Yeah, man, I love it, dude. I love it. We got another question, man, let's keep it moving. We got a question. Question for Andy. Andy. I recently turned 40 and for the first time I feel anxious about getting older. I worry about missed opportunities, lost time, and whether I've done enough with my life. I know aging is inevitable, but I want to embrace it instead of fearing it. Is there a way I can shift my perspective and see growing older as something to celebrate rather than something to fear and avoid?

[Andy Frisella]

I mean, there's a lot of things that we could talk about here. Number one, 40 is really not old like it used to be. I mean, people are in shape, people are healthy, they're taking care of themselves. You know, we're moving into the first generation of 40 to 50 year olds that have been training since they were 18 with weights and eating a proper diet. And so, you know, most of the people that I know that are in their 40s are actually in better shape than People that are in their 20s because they're taking it more serious. So I actually don't see it as, like, that kind of aging. So that's a good thing. I think another good thing is that if you haven't spent the last 20 years building something, the technology exists today where you can build something much faster than what it would take someone who started 20 years ago. That's a great thing. I don't think there's any amount of quote, unquote, bad things that happen when you get older other than having regrets about time wasted. And. And as someone who really didn't waste that much time, you know, I still have that same feeling like I'm like, I could have done more. I could have done more. I could have done more. And I think that's a feeling that anybody who has ambition is going to always feel. You know, I. I don't know. I feel like I keep getting better looking, like, you know, I think there's a lot of good things about getting in your 40s, bro.

[DJ]

Might take a little longer out the bed, but, you know.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a negative thing. Yeah, but no one can see that.

[DJ]

Yeah, right, right.

[Andy Frisella]

No one can see how sore I am. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I. I think. I think this is a great period of time for people who are entering their 40s or in their 40s who do have regret about how they lived their life previously to change those things and not waste 20 years having to change them. You know, it used to be if you off during your 20s and 30s and you turned 40, there was no chance, you know, because all the relationships were made, all the business was done. You know, my dad used to tell me, he's like, people. People build their relationships, and they make their money in their 30s. And after that, if you don't do that, you're. You can't, because no one wants to. With a dude who's 50 years old just starting out, it's just the way it is.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

But there's always exceptions to that. There's tremendous stories. You know, you go up and down the chain. You know, Sam Walton didn't start till he was in 40s. KFC didn't start till he was in the 60s. And there's a million stories in between of iconic men and women who built amazing things that were over the age of 40 years old. So I think a lot of what we deal with is just, you know, I think it's just natural regret, you know, of. Of Things that we could have, should have, would have done. But at the end of the day, you can't change those. You got to accept them for what they are, accept what you learn from them, and then apply them moving forward. And the good news is, is that you have plenty of time to. To still do whatever it is you're trying to do. And I think 40 has never been as young as it is right now. And. And that's. That's the truth. Now, if you're out of shape, I don't know what this person looks like. If you're fat and you're out of shape and you're unhealthy, you're going to feel like you're 60.

[DJ]

That does that shrink the time at.

[Andy Frisella]

36 years old, I was 350 pounds, bro, and I looked older then than I do now. Okay? 10 years older. I'm 10 years older now than I was then, and I look older then. Having your physical and your mental tuned in at 40, in your 40s is an amazing thing. And if you don't do it, you're going to feel significantly older and look significant. I see people that I went to high school with, and no offense to anybody that might be listening, but some of y' all look like shit. You know, I'm saying, like, you're not taking care of yourselves. You're still drinking beer every day. You're still not eating the right shit. And anybody can tell. And if that's how they want to live, that's okay. But most of them don't. And so I think it's very important to understand that if you don't take care of those things, your quality of life is going to be terrible. And if you do take care of those things, it's going to be amazing. Like, bro, you know, people think, oh, 40, my, my, my youth is over. Well, dude, I know, dudes, that Keanu Reeves is 63 years old. I mean, it's Kenner Reeves.

[DJ]

That's right.

[Andy Frisella]

You know what I'm saying?

[DJ]

Pretty badass.

[Riley]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

Like, what the are we talking about, bro? You get. You can live a quality life and do things at any age, bro, and just gotta go, yeah, you just gotta quit telling yourself that stupid story of, oh, I'm too old. You're not too old, dude. People tell themselves this. These two stories that cost them everything. You know what the stories are? I'm too young and I'm too old.

[DJ]

Damn.

[Andy Frisella]

Those are the two stories that cost everybody everything, okay? Because they. When they're 19 and they're 20, they don't want to start because they're too young. Nobody will take them serious. Then, you know, when they're 30, they're like, oh, well, you know, I'm. I don't know. Like, I probably should have started that already, you know, But I didn't. Then when they're 40, they're too old. So at what time is the appropriate time there? Right? The appropriate time was 20 fucking years ago. You know what the next best time is right now? Okay? So that's the reality. If you tell yourself you're too old, you're never going to be shit. If you tell yourself you're too young, you're never going to be shit. If you look at reality, there's plenty of people that are much younger than you that have been far more successful, and there's plenty of people who have started at an older age and become icons. So why do you continue to tell yourself the story that obviously there's plenty of evidence that shows that it's not true? That doesn't make any sense. So we just got to start telling ourselves the truth. The truth is this. You can be a bad in your 40s if you want to. The Rock made most of his career in his 40s. He made most of his money in his 40s. I would say he probably looked his best in his 40s. I think anybody would agree with that. I mean, dude, there's. There's a gazillion examples of this. So it's just. You got to quit lying to yourself, bro. You're not old. You're. You're. You're old enough to know that it's time to get going and go.

[DJ]

I love it, bro. Yeah, I love it.

[Jason]

Hello?

[DJ]

Jason?

[Jason]

Yes. Can you hear me?

[DJ]

Yeah. What's going on, man? This is dj. What's going on, brother?

[Jason]

What's going on, man? How are you doing, dj?

[DJ]

I'm good. How are you doing?

[Jason]

Amazing and cannot complain.

[DJ]

What time. What time is it? We got an international caller, guys.

[Andy Frisella]

We're.

[DJ]

We're calling Sweden.

[Andy Frisella]

It's like 1:00am There.

[DJ]

Is it 1:00am there?

[Jason]

No, no, it's like almost going to be 11:00pm Sweden.

[Andy Frisella]

All right, well, what's going on, man?

[DJ]

How can we help? We got Andy here.

[Andy Frisella]

What's going on? What's up, Jason? How are you, bro?

[Jason]

Good, man. How are you doing?

[Andy Frisella]

Doing really good. What's going on across the pond over there?

[Jason]

Yeah, well, I'm just wrapping up a long work day, but yeah, I wanted to call because, like, right now just kind of give some backstory at the moment. Like, I'm 19, and I got into business, like, when I was 16, and it's been, like, a lot of ups and downs this year, but I feel like every time that things, like, stabilize and get better, like, I just tremble or, like, fall on once again, and I have to, like, work my way up, and it's, like, keeps going up and down. Right now I'm at a point where, like, I work pretty hard and kind of stabilized, but I feel like I'm less hungry for success than I was before. So I want to see, like, what is this, like, a mindset shift I have to make? Or what do you think?

[Andy Frisella]

Okay, couple questions. When you say that you're going up and down, is it. Are you saying, like, you're taking, like, three steps forward and then one step backwards?

[Jason]

Yeah. Correct.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay.

[Jason]

It's kind of like that.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay, so you are. You are leveling up at a hot. You were creating a new base every time this happens, correct?

[Jason]

No, no. Like, previously, what's happened is now I've been, like, stable, but it feels like I'm still, like, not growing. But previously what happened was that I went up and it went completely to. Okay, destroy it.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay.

[Jason]

But now I've, like, kept it. But I feel like now when I'm at this point, I'm less hungry for success than I was before, like, previously.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay. And you're 19?

[Jason]

Yeah. Correct.

[Andy Frisella]

All right, cool. First of all, you need to erase this idea that you're successful out of your brain. You're 19 years old. It costs a immense amount of success to live a comfortable lifestyle. It's whatever you think it is that you need to be earning. You probably need to be earning 10 times that amount. That's just the reality for a number of reasons. One, things cost more than. Than you think to. The money is always becoming less valuable. Three, we're going to be alive for a long time. So the first thing that I've got to tell you is that your goal has to be expanded tremendously to restore that hunger that you are looking to restore. Hunger happens when we have a lot of distance to cover between where we are and where we're trying to go. When we get to a place of comfortable or close to where we think we want to be, it is a natural thing for us to feel comfortable and complacent and to not feel as hungry. And the solution to that is going to be you expanding your goals and vision for yourself and to a much bigger place. Now, Jason, you may not be a guy who wants to have, you know, helicopters and bugattis and. I don't know. Are you?

[Jason]

Yeah, of course.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay, well, then, bro, good, because you're gonna have to make a lot of more money than you're making now. All right? So where is that place that you need to be in order for you to have those things? And then you have to account for all of your friends and all of your family and your future family and what you want their lifestyle to be and how you want to take care of them. And this is a big mistake that a lot of young people make. They set their goals for themselves, not realizing that, one, it's going to take a lot more money than what you think. Number two, you're going to have other obligations come across your life that you don't currently have. You're probably going to meet someone. You're probably going to have a family. Your family that you have now, your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister, some of them, somebody's going to get sick. You know, there's going to be things that happen. And so when we're young and I'm very. This is one of the things I did right. This is something I always thought about. And even though I never had kids, I always thought that I was going to. So I always base my goal around how I wanted to have my family be, even when I was 20 years old. And because of that, you know, I've built a very big life, especially for my age. Most of the people that have something of this size are 75 years old at the end of their life. But because I thought about the right way, where you still have this opportunity to think about it, I was able to create something that was able to accomplish all of that. And so if you want to be hungry, dude, you got to set bigger goals. You got to set a bigger plan. You got to say, all right, this is where I want to be 10 years from now, 20 years from now. Not just one year from now or two years from now. And then we work backwards and create a system to. To make that reality. That is the. That's the big thing. To restore hunger. You. You got to be real. And. And, dude, you know, sometimes, you know, at 19 years old, we don't have the capacity or the understanding of how life's going to play out. So. But you have to take it for people that have been down the path, bro, you got to make so much more money than what you think, dude. And what society tells us we need is just not the Truth for ambitious people that want to be financially free and successful in a real way. Secondly, after all of that, the up and down situation can be one of a couple things. Okay. There is a natural progression that goes three steps or two steps forward, one step back, or three steps forward, one step back. That's pretty normal. You know, in business, typically, what I try to, what I've experienced and what I've tried to coach people on is that it's usually about three years. Once you get, once you get the run up going, you'll have about three years and then you'll have a flat year or two where you have to regroup and then you'll go on another run. And so the pattern, if you could visualize, sort of, you know, goes up, then it gets flat, then it goes up, then it gets flat, and that's normal. So. So don't put too much into obsessing over, you know, that, you know, you go hard and then regress a little bit, if that's what's going on. Now there's another thing that happens that you, that may or may not be happening here, only you will know. But you know, Jason, you know what a bell curve is, right?

[Jason]

Yeah. It's like the thing when it goes.

[Andy Frisella]

Up and down, there you go, okay, So I want you to visualize a bell curve, all right? And you're at the front of the bell curve on the left hand side. And you don't know shit. You. You're totally ignorant to what it takes to succeed, and you start to want to go up that curve. And because you don't know, you, you are very coachable. You're looking around at other successful people, you're watching what they do. You're saying, all right, I'm a blank canvas and I'm going to form myself into someone who can move up. And they find these techniques, we find these techniques, we find these things that start to move us up the curve and we start to have some success. And then we say, okay, this is working. So then we do more of these things and then we start to have more success. And as that success, as you start to approach the top of the curve, something usually happens. And it happens to everybody. It's not just me or you or, you know, it's everybody. Is that the first time this happens or the second time this happens, we, we look at ourselves and we start to tell ourselves a story that really isn't true. And what we tell ourselves is, is that we're special and we're good at what we do, and we're gifted. And look at this success. It's me, but it's not you, and it's not me. It's the actions that we took along the way. And so what happens is, is people let their ego start to make them believe that they are special, that it's them, and that whatever they touch will actually work. And because they stop doing the things that got them there and stop valuing the system that got them there, they start to go back down the other side of the curve. And then what happens is they fall all the way down, they get to the bottom, and then by the time they're at the bottom, they're humble again. All right? Because they're like, fuck, I just lost everything. What the. So then they start listening again, and then they go back to the system, and then they go up the curve, and then the same thing happens again and again and again. And so most people's lives look like a giant up and down, right? Like, the. You start to the left, it goes up, it comes back down, goes up, comes back down, like a wave. And you have to break that pattern by recognizing that when you are successful and when you are doing well at the top of that curve, you have to stop and be aware and say, okay, I've been here before. This is happening. It's good. What happened last time that it fell apart, and how do I avoid that? And the answer usually is very simple. It's. You have to continue to do the things that got you there, improve upon them, and be extra diligent about keeping your. Your foot on the throttle to make sure that you continue to move up as opposed to falling back down the other side of the curb. In fact, guys, we need to work at some sort of whiteboard situation in here so I can, like, do that. So for next show, let's have that. But does that make sense to you, brother?

[Jason]

Yeah, that makes, like, a lot of sense. And there's something, like, I want to add. It's like. It's very true, like, what you said, when it comes to the point, like, where you start to get momentum and just keep going. But I feel like right now, like, also, I'm becoming, like, fearful of, like, going back down again. There's, like, also something. And that's, like, specifically related to money and then having, like, a fear of losing what I worked for. That makes sense.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, for sure, bro. Why do you think that's a bad thing?

[Jason]

I don't know. It's like, it makes me. It feels like I. I Can't take, like, the risk that I want to take. And it feels like I'm very protective of everything. It makes me, like, a bit anxious. It feels like I'm going to lose it whenever.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay, so it makes you, it makes you hesitate is what you're saying.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah. Correct. Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay.

[Jason]

That's the word.

[Andy Frisella]

Okay. So. So you have to reframe this, all right. In your mind that instead of letting it make you hesitate, it should be a signal to go harder. Okay. When you start to feel the hesitation and you start to feel like, oh, man, maybe I'm gonna lose, what. What happens? That's awareness, bro. And, and that you're, you're, you're being a realist, okay? And a lot of people will say, oh, don't think about that, because you'll attract it. And, yeah, if you obsess about losing, you're gonna lose. But if it pops into your head and you get a little scared and you get a little anxious, that's your awareness telling you that I need to push forward. I need to continue to go. And that is not a bad thing. That's a really great thing, bro, because most people don't have that fear of losing. And then all of a sudden, they just lost. And they're like, how'd this happen?

[DJ]

What happened here?

[Andy Frisella]

Right? So the fear is actually a good signal to receive because it pushes you down the path further. Jason, I am terrified of losing, bro. I, I, I, I, I think about it all the time, bro. I don't want to lose. But you know what happens when I start to feel like I'm losing? These guys in here know exactly what the. What happens. You get about 7, 000 text messages in an hour.

[DJ]

Gets going again.

[Andy Frisella]

Right? Exactly. So, yeah, dude. And they do. Is that true or not true?

[DJ]

It's real.

[Andy Frisella]

Can you guys tell when I'm starting to get nervous?

[DJ]

Absolutely.

[Andy Frisella]

All right. Because, bro, that's. And other won't tell you this because they want to be like, oh, I'm never scared.

[DJ]

I'm always on the.

[Andy Frisella]

Well, let me tell you something, bro. I'm scared all the time. That's why I run so fast, you know, I don't want to go back to where I came from. I don't want to lose. And so the minute I start to feel that, I start to do things that are productive towards where I want to go. And you will never eliminate that fear, brother. It will never go away. Even when you gotten to where you want to go and you're. You've Accomplished everything that you've ever want to accomplish, you're going to still have that fear. Because that's an. That's the trait of an ambitious person. Someone who is a builder, a creator, and you were gifted with that. Not everybody's gifted with that, bro. So it's actually a really good thing that you have that as long as you don't hesitate and instead of hesitating, it should trigger you forward. Does that make sense?

[Jason]

That makes a lot of sense. I actually haven't thought of it before. Like, I usually have, like, listened to people in, like, a mindset and stuff, and they always say, like, you need to be abundant and stuff like that.

[Andy Frisella]

There's truth to that, too. You don't want to obsess over the fear, okay? You want to feel it, you want to accept it. You want to recognize what it is. And then you want to get focused on the abundance and the wealth and the success that you're going to create. By taking action. By taking action.

[DJ]

Gotta do something.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah. You gotta take action, dude.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

So listen, for 19 years old, man, this is. This is totally normal. And unfortunately, I wish I could tell you, hey, man, it goes away after this, but it's never gone away for me. I don't think. I don't think it will ever go away for me because I think I've been implanted with some sort of drive that is just part of who I am and part of my DNA. And one of my good friends who's been on the show before, Zoltan from Five Finger Death Punch, we were sitting in my. We were sitting in my. In my cigar lounge and we were having a conversation. You were there, and I was telling him how I was struggling sort of like with what you're talking about. Only for me, it was. I have a hard time fitting in with regular people and caring about what regular people care about because it's just not interesting to me. And every time I try to care about it, I get miserable. And he said something to me that was just like. It kind of reset it fixed my mentality immediately. He's like, bro, did you ever think that maybe you're just a warrior and this is what you're meant to do because the world needs people like you. And it fixed my whole mentality. And now that. That anxiety and that frustration is just something that I've accepted about myself. And I think you would do yourself a massive favor, brother, by just accept that you were given the gift of ambition and drive, and it's very important for you to fulfill that. And you're going to feel differently than what most people feel. Most people are going to get satisfaction from earning X amount of dollars and living a normal life and doing this. The regular things that everybody else does. And unfortunately, bro, that's probably going to feel weird for you and. Because you're built differently. And there is a true thing of people being built differently and given different gifts. And when you're given the gift of being a builder and a creator and someone who. Who contributes, and also, you know, as a result of the things you build, create and contribute, you become wealthy. It's just a different life, dude. And. And there's going to be anxiety and there's going to be fear and there's going to be frustration. And as long as you know how to deal with those things properly, brother, um, it's. You're. You're going to be one of the people that everybody looks at and says, that's why I know I can do what I'm going to try to do. And I think that's the most noble thing that we can do as human beings is to inspire others through our own stories.

[Jason]

Yeah, man, it sounds really good. Like, when you read like that, it actually, like kind of a positive, honestly.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So it makes me, like, push harder, but I haven't thought of it.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, you've been given. You've been given a gift, Jason.

[Jason]

Yeah. Appreciate it, man.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, you're not like. You're not like everybody else. You wouldn't be calling into this show if you were.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I had a different path. Like, before I dropped out of school when I was like 16 to go into, like, entrepreneurship and stuff like that.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And also I've been an inspiration for it for me to do that as well, to go all in on this.

[Andy Frisella]

Well, brother, you're the one. Hey, bro, you're the reason I do this, bro. I just. You. I love that we're doing Collins now because it reminds me that, like, people are actually going out and executing. So I appreciate that very much, dude. But what I appreciate more is that you have the courage to go out and do this because it's required, man. People need to see these stories and they need to see, you know, young Jason who dropped out of school at 15 years old to build something that he cared about that's going to inspire other people, man. You know, I was never someone who did well in school either. I. I couldn't do it. I wasn't focused on it. It wasn't something I cared about. And Hearing the stories of other people gave me hope. It said, okay, well, maybe you're not meant for that path. Maybe you're meant for this path. And I spent a lot of time thinking I was fucked up, but until I found other stories of people that felt like me, bro. It was a bad situation for me mentally. So, like, remember this. Ten years from now, people are going to be looking at you in your community and in your country, and they're going to be saying, dude, Jason did it. I could do it. I'm not built like everybody. I'm not getting straight A's. That doesn't mean that I can't go out and build. And it's going to be a very important thing, dude.

[Riley]

And.

[Andy Frisella]

And I really have a tremendous amount of respect for anybody who decides to go do that because it's a against the grain and it takes a lot of courage to do, and I really, really appreciate you doing it, dude.

[Jason]

Yeah, thank you, man. I appreciate it. By the way, I think everybody listens into the show. Should do 75 hard as well. I jumped onto that as well.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Freaking amazing so far. I'm gonna finish. I have, like, 20 days left.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, man.

[Jason]

It's freaking great, man. And I'm listening to the show every day as well, so I love what you guys are doing there.

[Andy Frisella]

Thank you.

[Jason]

Amazing work.

[Andy Frisella]

Thank you, brother. I appreciate it, man. We all appreciate it. We're all sitting here, so we appreciate you, bro.

[DJ]

All right, Jason, we'll catch you in with you next time, man.

[Jason]

Thank you, guys. Have a great day.

[Andy Frisella]

You, too.

[DJ]

I love that, dude.

[Andy Frisella]

Bro, I fucking love hearing from these young, young people doing it, dude. It's so inspiring to me.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

It makes me feel like, dude, because you know. You know me as well as anybody, One of the biggest things I struggle with is like, does this what we do here even matter? You know what I mean? Like, I don't see the people out here doing these things in Sweden. I know. And that. I just love that.

[DJ]

Yeah.

[Andy Frisella]

Like, it makes me feel like, okay, well, maybe because, dude, even if one or two people do this, if I spend 10 years and one or two or five people, it's worth it, you know?

[DJ]

100, bro. I love it, dude.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[DJ]

I think the biggest piece on that, man, is making.

[Andy Frisella]

You got.

[DJ]

You got to dream bigger. Yeah, you got it. You got to make that vision so fucking big, bro.

[Andy Frisella]

It's hard for people who have never witnessed that in person to do. That's why we talk about. I think we talked about this last week, too, but like, people have to do intentional proximity success. You cannot. You have to be intentional about it. You have to go where they go. You have to be around who they are. You have to make friends with them. If you have to pay to be in a network, yeah, that's okay. Make sure it's not one of these stupid ones.

[DJ]

Make sure it's a real one.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah, but the point is, is that if you've never experienced it, you have to intentionally be around it. And that doesn't mean anything more than proximity. And I think the most valuable thing that people can learn from being around successful people, and this is what I've learned. This is the biggest lesson I've ever learned about people, is that they're all normal like you and me and everybody else. They're not special. I used to think they were special, bro. I used to think it was a club. I used to think there was like a special handshake or a secret knock. And that's not what it is, dude. It's. It's regular people who have huge, massive goals who almost always have a massive chip on their shoulder to prove something, and they just go. And, you know, this is why we talk about the myth of this lesson. This. This myth that goes around like, oh, man, that guy did all that, but he must have had it handed to him and it was so easy. No, you stupid. The reason that these people built is because it was hard for them at some point in their life and they learned grit, resilience, and they had enough pain from where they came from that they want to get the away from it no matter what it takes. The people that are the most successful, that are self made, are generally the ones that come from the hardest situations. That's the truth, is the complete opposite of what most people say. So, you know, if you're doing, trying to do and you see, you know, you look around, you're like, my life is so. I don't know, like, no, that's great because you get to unfuck it. Know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And that provides enough internal drive and energy and like anger and rage and like energy to like make it happen, dude. And eventually, you know, you get past that point. Eventually you get mostly pass it. You know, someone step on your toes, that's different. But you'll get to a point where it's very purpose driven. And there are purpose driven people that start out at the beginning purpose driven, but it's few and far between.

[DJ]

Yeah. I love it, dude. I love it, guys.

[Andy Frisella]

Yeah.

[DJ]

Andy, bro. That was three?

[Andy Frisella]

Yep. All right, guys, let's go kick ass. We'll see you when we see you.

[DJ]

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