AFTER HOURS WITH ALEX STEIN - April 7th, 2026

Summary

AFTER HOURS WITH ALEX STEIN – April 7, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Alex Stein
Guest: Pastor Joel Webbin
Date: April 7, 2026

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Episode Theme Overview

This explosive episode of "After Hours with Alex Stein" features a frank, provocative, and often controversial conversation between host Alex Stein and guest Pastor Joel Webbin—a self-styled "reformed Baptist firebrand." Together, they tackle taboo and hot-button topics including American history and slavery, Christianity’s relationship to capitalism and socialism, gender roles, biblical interpretation, contemporary immigration, and the moral state of American society. Throughout, they challenge mainstream narratives and "woke" sensibilities, combining theological analysis with raw cultural commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction & Joel Webbin's "Controversy"

[03:19–05:00]

• Alex Stein introduces Joel Webbin as "the based pastor here to set your algorithm on fire," highlighting Webbin's history of online controversy regarding Christian doctrine, criticism of Protestant cooperation with non-Christians, and calls for regime change in America.
  • Quote: "Anti-semitism is simply, simply saying the truth." (03:19, Stein paraphrasing Webbin)
• Joel Webbin responds, dismissing much of the internet backlash as taken out of context, and launches into deeper discussion about America’s moral and spiritual challenges.

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2. Slavery in American and Christian Context

[05:01–09:41]

• Stein probes Webbin’s controversial statements about slavery "bringing Africans closer to Jesus."
• Webbin claims the result of slavery for Africans was ultimately "reparations" through life in America, highlighting long-term welfare payments and asserting that "we’ve been paying reparations."
  • Quote: "Your reparations are that you get to live in America." (05:06, Webbin)
• Clarifies he does not consider the slave trade "righteous," citing Exodus 21 which he interprets to condemn both man-stealers and slaveholders to death, but contextualizes historical Christian attitudes.
  • Explains theologians like R.L. Dabney opposed the slave trade but advocated a gradual end to slavery.
  • Argues that immediate release or repatriation would have been "inhumane," framing historical figures as doing the best they could with the times.
  • Quote: "These were good men and I’m not ashamed of them." (08:54, Webbin)
• Stein notes “woke” critics ignore context and try to "cancel" dissenters.

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3. Judeo-Christian Relations and Comparative Religion

[09:41–15:10]

• Stein asks about differences in how Jews and Muslims view Jesus.
• Webbin:
  • Critiques American Christians’ tendency to overlook historical animosity with Islam.
  • Asserts Muslims are not "natural allies" of Christians—nor are Jews.
  • Compares doctrinal stances: Muslims accept Jesus as a great prophet, but not divine; Jews, via the Talmud, view Jesus more harshly.
  • Quote: "I’m a simple man. I don’t like Islam and I don’t like Judaism." (11:54, Webbin)
  • References the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud, contending no authoritative Jewish text says anything positive about Jesus.
• Stein and Webbin agree that mainstream discourse often ignores these doctrinal divides.

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4. Was Jesus a Socialist? Christianity, Capitalism, and Money

[15:10–20:32]

• Plays Tucker Carlson Show clip claiming Christianity is "socialism at its core."
• Webbin:
  • Distinguishes between voluntary sharing (Book of Acts) and coercive socialism: "Socialism is not conducive with Christianity."
  • Capitalism is flawed: OnlyFans as "pinnacle of capitalism," needing moral constraints.
  • Quote: "If we pretend that there’s no problems with capitalism, we’re being a little stupid." (19:47, Webbin)
• Both criticize how military and foreign aid are prioritized over social welfare in America, with Stein labeling Israel’s forced conscription as "a form of slavery," which Webbin supports, citing biblical opposition to conscription.

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5. St. Paul, Judaism, and Christian Identity

[22:22–24:12]

• Stein asks if Paul imported Judaism into Christianity.
• Webbin:
  • Paul cited Jewish heritage to claim credibility with Jewish audiences, but argued salvation is through Christ, not the law.
  • Paul’s positions on circumcision varied for strategic, not theological, reasons.

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6. Sexual Ethics, Circumcision, and Manipulation

[24:01–25:36]

• Stein raises the "man’s G-spot" and sexual pleasure linked to circumcision, referencing Jewish influence on both circumcision and sexual discourse.
• Both disparage prosperity preachers and what Stein calls "for-profit" Christianity, calling the prosperity gospel "a lie from the pit of hell." (25:36, Webbin)

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7. Deception, the CIA, and Cultural Hopelessness

[26:06–27:37]

• Stein discusses CIA admissions of deception and worries about American susceptibility.
• Webbin:
  • True hope requires seeing, not ignoring, the reality of evil: "Hope is … seeing things for how they really are … and yet still trusting that Christ will win in the end." (27:13, Webbin)

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8. The Devil as the Original Influencer & Gender Roles

[28:26–32:49]

• Plays TMZ clip arguing the devil was "the original influencer."
• Webbin:
  • Agrees, adding that Eve was the first human influenced ("Who was the original influenced? The woman.").
  • Argues Christian tradition holds Adam’s sin was knowing/idolatrous, but the first deception was of the woman.
  • Quote: "If Satan was the original influencer … we should ask, you know, who was the most vulnerable piece of creation?" (29:01, Webbin)
  • Comments on women’s susceptibility to deception, leading to discussion (with Stein’s approval) of repeal of women’s suffrage (“Repeal the 19th”—the 19th Amendment, women’s right to vote).
  • Explains biblical hierarchy of men and women, rooted in divine design.

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9. Biblical Literalism: Adam, Eve, the Flood, Human Diversity

[32:49–36:18]

• Stein queries about pre-Adam or non-Noah humans.
• Webbin:
  • Asserts all people descend from Adam/Eve, then Noah.
  • Advocates young-earth, literal creationism and microevolution (adaptation, not species transformation).
  • Claims suffering strengthens persons and cultures, supporting the idea that European innovation stems from both Christianity and climatic challenge.

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10. Suffering, Theodicy, and the Purpose of Hardship

[36:18–39:03]

• Addresses atheistic arguments: "Too much suffering means no God."
• Webbin:
  • Cites Romans 8: "God works all things for the good of those who love him." Interprets suffering as for "sharpening," sanctification, and character development, not omission or approval by God.

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11. Christmas: Pagan Roots or Christian Tradition?

[39:03–41:58]

• Discusses Jeremiah 10 (“cut not a tree”) and Christmas’s alleged pagan origins.
• Webbin:
  • Celebrations can be "redeemed." The Christmas tree, lights, and gift-giving have Christian reinterpretations and reinforce the faith.
  • Quote: "What Christianity does is it goes in and says, that’s ours now. We’re taking that, and I love it." (40:30, Webbin)

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12. Christianity’s Civilizing Influence

[41:58–42:33]

• Stein notes Christianity’s role in giving the West its moral code.
• Webbin:
  • Pre-Christian societies had some virtues but were brutal and elitist; Christianity brought compassion for the weak and furthered civilization.

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13. Immigration, Demographic Change, and Hinduism

[42:53–48:21]

• Shift to America’s demographic transformation, especially in Texas.
• Stein observes rise of Asian and Indian students in universities and asserts legal H-1B immigration is worse than illegal immigration.
• Plays Abbott clip: "Texas land is for the Indian community."
• Webbin:
  • Denounces Hinduism as "satanic," "pagan," notes polytheism and "demonic" temple rituals.
  • Critiques Governor Abbott for "replacing your native population."
  • Quote: "Hinduism is insanely demonic … terribly pagan … satanic in many ways." (46:06, Webbin)

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14. Closing and Joel Webbin’s Platforms

[49:33–50:33]

• Stein praises Webbin’s outspokenness and recommends following his content (X, YouTube, etc).
  • Webbin: "I’m a moderate centrist from, like, the 1550s. …That is a far right extremist by today’s standards." (50:10, Webbin)
• Stein ends with plug for RAV’s new music, discussing the intent to counter mainstream music’s negative influences.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joel Webbin: "Your reparations are that you get to live in America." (05:06)
• Joel Webbin: "I’m a simple man. I don’t like Islam and I don’t like Judaism." (11:54)
• Joel Webbin: "If we pretend that there’s no problems with capitalism, we’re being a little stupid." (19:47)
• Joel Webbin: "These were good men and I’m not ashamed of them." (08:54)
• Webbin (on Adam and Eve): "He chose his wife over God. It was idolatry, but the woman was actually deceived." (29:03)
• Webbin (on Hinduism): "Insanely demonic … terribly pagan … satanic in many ways." (46:06)
• Webbin (on hope): "True hope is seeing things for how they really are … and yet still trusting that Christ will win in the end." (27:13)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:19 – Joel Webbin’s introduction and slate of controversies
• 05:06 – Reparations and Christian account of slavery
• 09:41 – "Woke" reactions, cancelling, and context collapse
• 11:54 – Webbin on not liking Islam or Judaism
• 19:47 – Capitalism, OnlyFans, and Christian economics
• 24:09 – Circumcision, sexuality, and religious manipulation
• 27:13 – Hope vs. naiveté, Christian endurance
• 29:01 – Satan as "original influencer," Eve as first deceived
• 36:18 – Suffering and God’s sovereignty
• 40:30 – Redeeming Christmas from paganism
• 46:06 – Hinduism critiqued as demonic
• 49:33 – Finding Joel Webbin online

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Tone and Style

The episode is combative, irreverent, and unapologetically contrarian, blending brash humor with polemic theological assertion. Stein interjects with sarcasm, jests, and meme references, while Webbin maintains an intense biblical literalist tone, often escalating the "spiciness" of his claims at Stein’s prompting.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a hard-hitting, uncensored conversation that pulls no punches on religion, politics, race, and morality in America. It’s best suited for those seeking radical, unfiltered commentary on Christianity and Western culture—and those interested in hearing how the religious right challenges mainstream and progressive viewpoints.

Note: This summary covers all major substantive content and skips commercial breaks, sponsor messages, and non-content segments.

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[Joel Webbing]

That's what I'm saying. They admit they want to cut people's penises off.

[Alex Stein]

Late night just got dangerous. After Hours with your host Alex Stein starts right now.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to After Hours with Alex Stein right here in Real America's Voice. And tonight we have a very special program planned for you. Yes, that's right. This is our first two part series because our guest is famous for doing multi part series. He's had a lot of controversial guests on, but I wanted to steal a page from his playbook and I wanted to give him a proper introduction. So, ladies and gentlemen, strap in tonight because the based pastor is here to set your algorithm on fire once again. He's the reformed Baptist firebrand husband, father of four, an absolute menace behind NRX studios who just dropped the nuke that Pontius Pilate wanted to free Jesus but faced serious scrutiny from the Israeli lobby. And the replies will be melting down once we post this online. This is the guy who says anti Semitism is simply, simply saying the truth. Calls out Protestant ministers bending over backwards to partner with folks who think Jesus is a blaspheming bastard while treating Catholics like public enemy number one and keeps preaching that America needs regime change. But for America, whether he's warning about Israel going rogue again or reminding everyone that Christ is king, even on baptism day, he never misses. Buckle up, folks, and please welcome to the show, the one, the only Pastor, Joel Webbing. Joel, how do you feel? Welcome to the show.

[Joel Webbing]

Feeling great. Thanks for having me, Alex. Really appreciate it.

[Alex Stein]

No, it is an honor and privilege. I know that they call you controversial and I was looking up some of your controversies. Really, they weren't even that controversial. I mean, one thing that it said online, it said that you said slavery was good because it actually brought the slaves closer to Jesus. And you know me as a debater, I debate these topics. I think there's a lot of truth in that. And so I guess that'll be the first hot question.

[Joel Webbing]

Let's do it.

[Alex Stein]

Can you elaborate a little bit on that statement? And I guess the hot water got you.

[Joel Webbing]

What I'm saying is the outcome, the result of slavery as it affected Africans who are now here in America. It's like, well, we need reparations because we're mistreated. Your reparations are that you get to live in America. Those are your reparations. And if that's not enough, it would be, you know, the millions and millions of dollars that you've received through welfare over decades and decades and decades. So we've been paying reparations, I pay taxes, and it disproportionately per capita goes to black people.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, right.

[Joel Webbing]

So there's your reparations. Now that we have that out of the way for the record, to clarify, I don't think that the slave trade was righteous. In fact, I think the exact opposite. We see this in Exodus, I believe it's chapter 21, that if anybody man steals, right. It's kidnapping. Steals a man, a person, and enslaves them, sells them as a slave, it's punishable under God's law by death. And not only the one who steals them. That would be a lot of black people, right? It's not like, like, just for the record, it's not like we had a bunch of white people in the jungles of Africa with human sized nets, you know, trying to cap like. No, they were lined up on the shore and being purchased. They had already been stolen, taken captive, and were being sold by other black people. So those black people, according to biblical law, it would have been punishable by death. But to be fair, Exodus chapter 21 says, and anyone found in possession. So that would actually indict white Europeans

[Alex Stein]

who purchased slaves and some Goldsteins and Bergsteins that's involved in that.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah, the Atlantic slave trade had. Well, whenever, whenever there's an opportunity to make money, make a shackle, you know, there's a couple, couple guys with some Stein last names who are involved. No, no offense to you.

[Alex Stein]

None take it. None take it.

[Joel Webbing]

You know, but it was white Europeans, so I think that that was wrong. I think that that was immoral. And, and I, I believe it was wicked that said that. The thing is, what do you do? What do you do? We were talking about this offline, right? So what do you do? Some of the Christian, you know, Southern Presbyterian theologians, R.L. dabney would be one such example. He said, look, the slave trade, it needs to end yesterday. This is an abomination. It's wicked. God hates it. Okay, but he argued. Okay, but what do you do with the guys, the Africans who have been here for, they're now second, third generation. They don't, they don't speak click click. They speak English. That, not only that in terms of language, but in terms of their, their religion. They've been catechized in white Christian churches. They take the Lord's Supper right alongside their masters. Their Christians, they love Jesus. If we send them back, we don't even know where they came from. They could be, you know, we could be sending them back a thousand miles up the coast or a thousand miles down the coast. They would be slaughtered. They wouldn't last 15 minutes. It's inhumane. It's wrong. So his whole point was saying the slave trade needs to end, but there are degrees of separation. When the Bible says the one who steals a man, it's punishable by death. The one found in possession of the man, it's also punishable by death. What do you do when, when a person has sold and then sold and then sold, it's now, you know, 50 years removed. 60, 70 years removed. There are degrees of separation to where it's like, okay, this person didn't steal the man. He wasn't the first person to buy the man. It's now been generations removed. The person is a slave. There's nowhere for them to go back to that. Wouldn't it be certain death? So we've got to figure this out. We've got African slaves in America who have not been shaped as Europeans had for a thousand years of Christendom. There were guys who felt like, I don't think they're quite capable at this point. Not that they never would be, but at this point of self governance. And so we can't just send them back. That's inhumane. We can't just necessarily release them. So there are guys like R.L. dabney arguing for the continuance, not forever, but temporary continuance of slavery while ending the slave trade. I don't think that those Christian forefathers of the west were the most evil men to ever live in the world. I don't think that that was wicked. They were trying to figure out a problem and, and I think they were doing the best that they could. And they argued in the meantime, until this all gets undone. Ephesians says, masters, if you have slaves, treat them with respect, benevolence, kindness. So, so the Christian impetus was not to, to not have masters at all, but that, that the Christian should rule righteously, rule with compassion. And for us, hindsight's 20 20, we look back and we're like, well, how could you think this? Like, but, but if you really put yourself in their shoes, these were good men and I'm not ashamed of them.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, no, I mean, that's a hot take. And I appreciate you answering and I think that actually is a lot of truth in what you said. So I really don't even have any rebuttal, but just to a person that is basically indoctrinated to be a woke libtard, you know, they hear you say that and then they just, I guess they don't even care for the context.

[Joel Webbing]

Right, of course.

[Alex Stein]

And so I think that's usually how we live in this online world where you just kind of get clipped out of context and then they try to cancel you for it. So I do want to ask you, and it's just crazy because every answer, you know, we're talking about this very serious stuff. You can't just give, you know, a 30 second answer. But one thing that I've heard a lot of people talk about, we talk about the special interest groups that control our country and they talk about this Judeo Christian thing. But can you give me the dichotomy of how the Jews view Jesus and how Muslims view Jesus and the difference?

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah. So first I want to be clear, so I'll just, I'll just say it. Tucker Carlson, Patriot I like him, I appreciate him. I am praying for him. I've had the pleasure of getting to, to know some of his family and, and close circle and I, I think they're great. That said, if I had one critique for Tucker and I would, he's my biological stepfather.

[Alex Stein]

You know, he's going to see this

[Joel Webbing]

and I would say it respectfully. I would say, Tucker, you're a little bit too soft on Muslims.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

So, so let me start with a disclaimer and then I'll answer your question. The disclaimer is if we're Christians and we love the Lord Jesus Christ and we love, like I just said, our forefathers, despite some of their mistakes and these kinds of things. And we want to honor our fathers. That's the fifth commandment to honor thy father and mother. And I think that includes ancestral fathers, spiritual fathers, ecclesiastical fathers. And so I want to do that. And I think that it's dishonoring to make light of Islam when we're coming off of approximately 13, 1400 years of massive, massive war and hostility between Muslims and Christians where thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands have been slaughtered, have died. So to pretend like Islam is a natural ally of Christianity is naive at best and dishonest at worst. And I'll give Tucker the benefit of the doubt. That is simply the.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I'll just defend him real quick though. Tucker Used to go really hard against Islam. I mean, he was famously canceled for speaking, you know, boldly.

[Joel Webbing]

And he's changed his tune. And I think he's changed his tune not because he's going to convert, you know, all the, you know, captured and captive dreamer, you know, and all these guys are like, he's got. He's a undercover Muslim. I don't think that we're going to find Tucker converting to Islam anytime soon.

[Alex Stein]

0% chance.

[Joel Webbing]

But I think what he's recognizing. So. So that's a disclaimer. Muslims are not natural allies of Christians. Right? I'm a simple man. I don't like Islam and I don't like Judaism.

[Alex Stein]

But real quick, I'm sorry, cutting off, because that is kind of the narrative now is that at least Muslim respects Jesus.

[Joel Webbing]

So that. So that is true. So. So here's my point. My point is not that we should be buddy buddy with all the Muslims, but my point is how in the world are you going to say the biggest problem is Sharia law? You know, coming to America? The biggest problem is the invasion of Muslims. We got to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here. All that rhetoric might be believable. Might be believable if. If you were saying these guys we can't partner with because they worship Allah, a false God. And then you also had equal weights and measures and said, and these other guys we also want. Won't partner with because they also worship a false God, a false religion. The other guys being, of course, Jews. Religiously speaking, Judaism, Islam does not believe that Jesus is deity. They don't believe he's the son of God, that he's divine, but they do believe that he's a great prophet held in comparable esteem to Muhammad himself. Now let's look at Judaism for a moment. They believe he's burning in excrement and hell, that he is the blaspheming bastard son of a whore.

[Alex Stein]

Well, real quick, though, it's a little different. It is way different. But also because, you know, then I see the Jewish debaters will say that. Well, that was in the Talmud. And actually the Talmud is a series of. Series of debates. Right. Can you clarify that? Because I'm not an expert in that.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah, so there's. There's the. The Babylonian Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud, and they're, you know, the Babylonian Talmud is beefier and it does take precedent. It's kind of ironically, it's somewhat like Islam. So Islam, it's like later verses in the Quran actually trump some of the previous verses. And they have to have that hermeneutic. Hermeneutic just means a way of reading and interpreting, studying your sacred text. There's Christian hermeneutics, of course, Islamic hermeneutics, you know, Jewish hermeneutics. And with any religious, whenever you have a religion where the, the sacred religious text is blatantly contradicting, then you have to adopt a hermeneutic that says these texts trump the other ones.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

Now Christians don't actually have to do that because there are not contradictions. Believe it or not, there are apparent contradictions. But when you get down to the meat of it, there's the New Testament. It's not at odds actually with the Old Testament. It's not as though we had the Old Testament God and he was really angry and mean. And then Jesus is a tree hugging hippie, you know, and a pacifist and a socialist. We'll get to that. Yeah, we do in a moment, you know, so no, the Christian texts we believe in Covenant theology from beginning Genesis all the way to Revelation. Behold, I am the Lord, I changes not so that you, the sons of Jacob will not be consumed. I am the Lord, I am the same yesterday, today and forevermore. So we have a continuity within Christian sacred text from the Old Testament to the New. You don't have that with Judaism, you don't have that with Islam. So it is true in the technical sense when a religious Jew says, well yeah, it said it over here, but it doesn't say it over there. Right. So, so they can kind of work out and say, well, the Jerusalem Talmud, you know, talks about Jesus burning excrement. But, but my question, my counter would be, okay, so the Babylonian Talmud and the later passages that are the, the most authoritative passages, do they say anything nice about Jesus?

[Alex Stein]

No, they don't.

[Joel Webbing]

The answer is no. We know this guys.

[Alex Stein]

We are in for a spicy episode. That's why this is a two part series. So after the break we're gonna get into is it true that Jesus Christ was a socialist? I mean guess was just on Tucker Carlson show basically saying this and I want to get Joel's exper expert opinion on it right after the break. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to After Hours with Alex Stein. Right here in Real America's voice. And we have the bass pastor, the one, the only Joel webbing in studio Now, Joel, I teased it before we went to break about how a guest was recently on Tucker Carlson's show saying capitalism should not be anywhere near Christianity and I want to get your opinion on it, but let's play the clip and then please school us on if this guy is telling the truth or if he has it all screwed up is more.

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And I don't like the word socialist

[Alex Stein]

with the, with the, the weight it carries, but Christianity in its, is socialism

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at its core, non authoritarian.

[Joel Webbing]

It's, it's, it's the marker to build social capital.

[Alex Stein]

You look well, I know that was a short clip, but the reason why I, I think the guy is being intellectually honest. But you can correct me because you are the expert. I mean, being rich, and I know there's rich people in the Bible, but what does it say? It's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. So that seems like having wealth is not the end all, be all when it comes to the, you know, afterlife.

[Joel Webbing]

Right? Yeah. So money is not the root of all evil. The scripture says that the love of money, greed is the root of all kinds of evil. So different surface sins will stem from the root sin, which is not money, but greed, the love of money. So whether it's coveting that can stem from greed or murder. Right. Somebody has something you want, you kill them, try to take it, theft, of course, these kinds of things. So it's, it's not a sin to be rich. There are plenty of people in the Bible who are rich in terms of it being socialism. I watched this interview, by the way, so I want to come out, you know, the disclaimer and say, I like that guy. I think that he was right about 95. I think he did a really good

[Alex Stein]

job and I think he was being honest. Like, I don't think that he was trying to be like purposely misleading.

[Joel Webbing]

Here's the deal. Capitalism, it used to suffice, right? With just kind of this, this black and white, you know, good versus evil, capitalism, good, socialism, evil. And I just don't think that works anymore because one of the things that we're seeing in real time, you want the pinnacle of capitalism? Only fans. Yeah, only fans.

[Alex Stein]

That's what it is.

[Joel Webbing]

Perfectly capitalistic, right. It's infinitely scalable. You don't really have to pay anybody. You can just get super, super, super rich and then donate, be the biggest donator to APAC, which the president of OnlyFans was until he recently died.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Joel Webbing]

I, they say cancer, I feel like,

[Alex Stein]

oh, maybe, oh, you're saying aids. I think he probably got turbo cancer from the vaccine. But it is safe and effective for YouTube, this is very safe and effective.

[Joel Webbing]

So anyway, so capitalism has its problems. My point is capitalism has to be fettered in some way. But I am a capitalist in the sense of I believe in private property, I believe in those kinds of things. And the book of Acts says that, you know, the Christians, the early church at, in. In Jerusalem, they were taking everything, laying it before the apostles feet, and they shared everything in common. Here's the deal, though. It wasn't coerced. The apostles were not saying, you must bring us everything or we're going to damn you to hell or we're going to cut off your head. So it was still free will offerings. And this happened with Anais and Sapphira, who fell down underneath, you know, God's judgment, because they, they lied. But the reason Peter Even says this, St. Peter says that the judgment was because they agreed to lie to the Holy Spirit, not because they were withholding their funds. They had a piece of land, they sold it for a certain price. They could have given all of it. They could have given none of it. They could have given a portion of it. But they claim they were only given a portion. They were holding back the majority. And they were claiming because they wanted to look more generous than they really were. They were claiming to give it all, and that's why they were ultimately killed. So socialism is, is not conducive with Christianity. So I wouldn't make that point. But I do think there are some big problems with capitalism. When, when I'm seeing ads on my refrigerator, you know, first thing, 7:00am in the morning, when I'm trying to get breakfast, it's like, hey, babe, wake up. New capitalism just dropped.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

Like, so if we sit here and pretend that there's no problems with capitalism, we're being a little stupid.

[Alex Stein]

And I think, really, I mean, I don't want to live in a socialist society, but I mean, we do subsidize the military industrial complex, so we have socialized military. And so if we're going to spend all of our money, I don't mind our government having social services necessary, necessarily, but I would like them to go to things that we need, not bombs to go bomb schoolchildren.

[Joel Webbing]

Well, and right now we're doing the opposite. Trump just came out and said we're going to be cutting medical care, we're going to be cutting Social Security, these kinds of things. So. So caring for our own people, senior citizens, veterans, these kinds of. Nope. But. But using your money socialistically to pay for bombs to Drop on. On Iranian people on the behest of Israel. Yeah, we've got money for that.

[Alex Stein]

And one of my biggest critiques of Israel, even though we love Israel, they're the greatest country on earth, number one, is that they have forced conscription. You know, you get drafted to go into the military. I think that personally is a form of slavery. And, you know, there's a lot of kickback to the Orthodox Jews that don't want to go into it. And then they say even when the Orthodox Jews join the idf, allegedly they don't have the kosher meals, so the IDF doesn't even like having them. So I personally. Is that a hot take? I think the draft and forced conscription is a form of slavery.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah, it is. And biblically, conscription was actually a sin. There were multiple reasons all throughout the scripture. When. When there's a big battle that's, you know, that's underway, there are multiple portions of scripture that explicitly, outright say, if. If you don't want to fight, if you don't have courage to fight, we actually see you as a liability. And it's also your right, your human right to. To not participate. Now, that person, if it was a just war that the Lord was leading Israel under the Old Covenant into, and a person bowed out, they would have the right to do that, but then they would culturally, not under penalty of law, but culturally, they would experience a sense of shame. Yeah, like, hey, you're a coward. And. And that's fine.

[Alex Stein]

There's a lot of cowards, though. I mean, there's a lot of.

[Joel Webbing]

A lot of things that shouldn't necessarily be legislated.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I mean, I. Listen, we're learning a lot on this episode. I didn't even know that the military director could. Conscription was, you know, a sin, I guess. I mean, that's basically. I learned something new. Now I also want to talk about, you know, we have so much stuff to talk about, but is it true that Paul. This is another controversial question that I think. And, you know, we only have five minutes left in the segment. But what about the theory? Since Paul used to be Jewish and Paul took a lot of Christianity from Judaism. What do you say to that? No, that's not true. You hear that though, right?

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah, you hear that all the time. Like he says, I was circumcised on the eighth day. A Hebrew of Hebrews, son of a Pharisee. So he's giving his credentials, but he's giving his credentials as he's writing to people who are trying to dismiss his apostolic authority. Because he's not Jewish enough.

[Alex Stein]

And he's like, okay, because he's writing it to rabbis.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah. So, I mean, he has. A lot of his letters are to Gentiles, cities like Ephesus, Galicia. But, you know, there's other portions where he's actually trying to win over Jews. And so he's, you know, making, you know. Or in these cities, there's a collection of Jews there among the Gentiles. And he's saying, no, no, if. If you think that ultimately the credentials are your Jewishness, then I. I promise you, I've got you beat. But this is him. This is him using hyperbolic language like it's true, but he's. It's. It's like he's playing the devil's advocate. He's saying, this shouldn't matter. Yeah, but because it matters so much to you.

[Alex Stein]

These are my credentials.

[Joel Webbing]

Right, exactly. So this is the same Paul who says it's not circumcision of the flesh that matters, but circumcision of the heart. And then, yet, even though he had two sons in the faith, Timothy and Titus, one of them, he said, you don't need to be circumcised because that doesn't matter. The other one, he made him get circumcised as a grown man. That's hardcore.

[Alex Stein]

You know, that guy for ABC News or whatever.

[Joel Webbing]

And then he has him do it, though. He has him do it not because he thinks theologically in the objective, that it matters to God, but because he's going to take that particular disciple in the faith to go and minister predominantly among Jews. And so he's saying so. So that we would avoid even the appearance, the subjective appearance of evil, so that they would hopefully have. Have the most opportunity to listen to what we're saying about Jesus. We're going to play ball a little bit.

[Alex Stein]

Well, did you see the Daily Mail came out with an article and there was a big conspiracy that the man's G spot is in the anus. And that's not true.

[Joel Webbing]

It's actually the foreskin.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, it's actually the foreskin. And then they cut all of our foreskin off.

[Joel Webbing]

And who convinced people that it was in the anus? A lot of Jews. So.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I mean, I'm just going to say, is that true? I don't know. Rabbi Shmuley said that.

[Joel Webbing]

I was going to say, I find it very ironic that a certain small sector of the population convinces men that the. The G spot for a man is in the anus so that they'll be encouraged to be homosexuals. Meanwhile, they also push for circumcision to take away the actual G spot.

[Alex Stein]

I think that is, it's, it's bizarre. And Daily Mail came out with this. Daily Mail is not anti Semitic or anything. And for them to say, oh, well, the G SWAT's actually basically in the force game.

[Joel Webbing]

Whoops.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I know. I thought that was a little egregious. And they actually do say that, you know, you do get more sexual pleasure if you're not circumcised. I've heard that. And so I am. I'm toast. But it is what it is. Can I get an uncircumcision? Can I, can I sew it back? I don't think it works that way. Okay, gosh, maybe I'll be the first person if Elon can give me a robot penis. That would be good. So, Joel, you know, I really love talking about all this biblical, you know, truth, I guess is what I'll call it, because we have these for profit preachers and I think the prosperity gospel to me is even uglier than Aleister Crowley or Satanism because at least we know what the Satanist worships. Instead of manipulating people into thinking that if you give them money and you tithe, which it does say in the Bible to do, but you're using that as a manipulative manipulation tactic to serve your own self interest.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah. Telling people that they should tithe not at the expense of feeding their children, but a free will gift to the Lord, and that they should do it as a response of gratitude for what the Lord freely gave us, namely Christ, and do it as an act of obedience is one thing, but telling them that it's tit for tat, that it's quid pro quo, that if you give your money to the Lord, AKA to me, so that I can increase my salary, that God will give you a Ferrari, that God will financially bless you. That's a lie from the pit of hell.

[Alex Stein]

I really. I posted this thing that the CIA director said, then they're talking about the rescue mission to get the downed pilot. He said, well, they used a deception campaign against the Iranian people. And he just openly said that. And to me, that was very shocking because I think it's obvious they're using a deception campaign against American citizens and probably people all over the world. So it's a little scary that all the comments were like, why would the CIA be doing that against us? You're an idiot. You're a libtard. Like, what do you think the CIA would come after American citizens? Like, yeah, those are the first people they would come after. So I just, I have not a lot of faith in humanity, in waking up to the truth of the world that we live in. Joel?

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

Is that too black pilled?

[Joel Webbing]

No, I think it's. If white pilled means putting your head in the sand and just trusting the plan and 17D chess, then that's not actually hopefulness. Hope is a Christian virtue, but hope is not achieved by being naive. Hope. Abraham hoped against all hope, meaning that he actually knew how bad things really were. And yet in the midst, not ignoring the problems, but looking the problems straight in the face and yet saw Christ as greater than all the evils of the world. That's our hope. So it's not actually hope if we don't actually end, anticipate and acknowledge the real danger. True hope is seeing things for how they really are, how black it is, how evil, how corrupt, and yet still trusting that Christ will win in the end and that he's worth all the cost. That's hope, guys.

[Alex Stein]

Coming up after the break, we're going to find out from Pastor Joel Webbing if the devil was the original influencer. Coming up next, you don't want to miss.

Welcome back to after hours. Unreal america's voice.

Welcome back to After Hours with Alex Stein right here on Real America's Voice. Now we are diving deep. We got a two part series with the based pastor, the one, the only, Joel Webbing. And Joel, I want to play this clip and I thought it was kind of interesting. This guy is talking to TMZ about whether or not the devil was the original influencer and sounds kind of cutesy, patootsy, but I think it's kind of true. So let's, let's play it.

[Joel Webbing]

Being in, you could say he's the original influencer right from the beginning and he influences people to do terrible things. And that's where the real problem is, is for people that aren't connected to God, they're easy targets to pick off by the devil.

[Alex Stein]

So is there any truth to that?

[Joel Webbing]

Absolutely. Can I, can I be a little bit spicy?

[Alex Stein]

No, you get as spicy as you want. Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

All right. So the devil is, I think in many ways the original influence. The question that I think that that raises or at least should raise for many of us is who was the original influenced? Who was he influencing? The woman.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, you're talking about Adam and Eve.

[Joel Webbing]

Yes. So I believe, and much of Christian history teaches this, both Protestant reform reformers within Protestant traditional Christian history, as well as Catholics going all the way back to Aquinas, guys like Augustine, they all agreed that Adam. And it's not to absolve Adam of moral culpability, but that Adam sinned with his eyes wide open. The apostle Paul, in Scripture, this is first Timothy, chapter two. He says, the woman was deceived and became a sinner, but she will be saved through childbearing if she continues with faith, hope, love, with propriety. It says, and the Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived. So I believe that Adam was the federal head of all creation, including his wife. And when he fell, because he too, sinned, all of creation was subjected to the curse of sin. Now, Adam's sin, if anything, he's more guilty for two reasons. One, because of his headship, his position of authority. Secondly, because of the manner of his fall. He fell with his eyes wide open. He knew what he was doing. Ultimately, I think the sin that Adam committed was not the sin of being hoodwinked or deceived, but the sin of idolatry. He saw what happened with his wife. He knew that God had said, on the day that you eat of the fruit, you shall surely die. And he said, I'd rather die with her than live with God. He chose his wife over God. It was idolatry, but the woman was actually deceived. So if. If Satan was the original influencer, which I think that that's a insightful point that that priest was making. I think there's a lot of truth to that. But I think we should ask, you know, who was the most vulnerable piece of creation, most easy to influence?

[Alex Stein]

Women.

[Joel Webbing]

And I think it was women. Which is, I think, just one more reason why we gotta repeal the 19th.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, there we go. We love a little misogyny on the show. And I. I actually, you know, I hear that debate. I feel like women should be able to vote, but at the same.

[Joel Webbing]

Well, I think they can vote on some things. Yeah, like the color of the carpet.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, see, that's what I said. Well, I guess my point is I do value women, because you said it absolves them of their sins because they can have babies. We all came through the portal of divinity, their womb. And that is something very special that we all come through. So.

[Joel Webbing]

And the scripture literally says that man is ruling over each husband, rules over his wife, has authority. But then the scripture literally says. But don't get cocky. I'm paraphrasing here. Don't get cocky. Men, because Woman came from man. And originally right is out of man's side, Adam's rib, his side, Eve was formed, but now men come from women. And so the, the Christian ethic is, is not egalitarianism that man and women are exactly the same and equal in every respect. The Christian ethic is that the man rules over the wife, but should do so with a Christ like sacrificial love, willing to lay down his life for his wife. So the man actually is the head. And here's the deal, it says something about the character of God if we say, well, I believe that. I'm a traditional, you know, conservative Christian. I believe that the husband is the head of the wife, and I believe in male elders and pastors in the church. But that's just the role. That's not really the design. If you don't think it's the design, then what you're saying is that the roles that God assigned to men and women is capricious. It's arbitrary in some sense, it's cruel that God actually looked at men and women and said, you know what? Anything you can do, she can do better. She can do anything better than you. But I'm going to have this random arbitrary rule in place that he's going to lead for some reason. Yeah, no, I actually think that God calls men to lead because he also equipped men to lead. And I think one of those characteristics of men, and this is a difficult concept for people, I understand, but, but per capita, I'm speaking in generalities, you can find one really based gal who's, who's not so gullible. But in general, I think that men are less susceptible to being deceived than women. And that is one leadership quality in

[Alex Stein]

the most simplistic manner and most productive manner. Men are usually have their guard up a little more than women, and that's why the women are more vulnerable in that situation. But actually, I want to ask you on the topic of Adam and Eve, were there humans are. Yeah, I guess we describe them as humans. Who was outside of the garden.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah. So I don't think anybody was outside.

[Alex Stein]

Okay, so you think it was just the garden?

[Joel Webbing]

I do believe absolutely that all human beings on the planet today descended from,

[Alex Stein]

from Adam and Eve. So nobody. Okay, then what about Noah after the flood? Were there other civilizations that did survive or do you think everybody was gone? Nobody survived the flood.

[Joel Webbing]

So the scripture says everything that had breath in its lungs. So I believe.

[Alex Stein]

Okay. Because you see, there's the theological debates, of course. Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

A lot of People try to make it a local flood because they, they think that a global flood is just unbelievable. There are some Eskimos and Bible thumping conservative. When the Bible says it, I believe it. So I think it was a global flood. Eight persons in all. Peter says this in the New Testament, passed through the waters of God's judgment. Eight persons being Noah, his wife, his three sons and their three wives. And from those three sons, Japheth and Shem and Ham, we got different peoples that ultimately filled the whole earth.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

And, and now here's the thing though, for the, the fuddy daddy, there may not be a lot of them listening, but there might be some for the, the guy like me who's like six day literal creation, you know, young earth, all that kind of stuff. And I believe those things for that guy, it's like, well, how did Noah get all the animals on the ark? And we would say like guys like Ken Ham, you know, he's like a creation guy.

[Alex Stein]

I know.

[Joel Webbing]

And I like, yeah, I like him. And so he would say, well, Noah didn't have to have every single subspecies of dog, right? Like poodles and Chihuahuas and Great Danes and wolves. He had two canines, male and female, and from them came all these different kinds of dogs. And so two felines, you know, you get a lion, you get a house cat. And, and that's, that's kind of, that's a traditional belief that said. Well, the same thing kind of exists with people. This is not macro evolution, a fish becoming a man, but micro. Right. Adaption. Right.

[Alex Stein]

Different tall kids, exact birds with a long beak. Have a bird with a long beak.

[Joel Webbing]

So that said, I believe everyone descended from Adam and Eve and then a second time because of the flood and kind of this reset to humanity and creation. Everyone descended from Noah and his wife and their three sons and their three wives. That's true. But with micro evolution and adaption, if that can happen with dogs and cats and everything else, it can also happen with people. And so, so we're all descended from the same parents, if you go back far enough, which means all people are made in the image of God. And all people therefore have an innate equal dignity and value, eternally speaking, in the sight of God. And we should treat people with compassion. Not all people are the same, though. Yeah, not all people are the same. And we should be aware of that and we should have compassion. But we also should be able to say, yeah, the white South African farmers who are fleeing persecution, they can come and the Haitians can't. Well, Wait a second. That's not fair. It doesn't have to be. Doesn't have to be.

[Alex Stein]

Life isn't fair. And why is that, though? Because, you know, that's what I always hear these atheists, when I have to debate them, they say there's too much suffering in the world for there to be a God. You hear that a lot. And I feel like suffering can actually be good because it sets you up for future obstacles by having some experience getting through a tough, tough time. It gives you confidence in your next, you know, trial and tribulation they might go through. So what do you think about that argument, though? That there can't be a God because there's too much suffering and cancer exists and, you know, all this bad stuff exists.

[Joel Webbing]

I think third grade Reddit wants its argument back.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, that's. I. But I hear that argument on college campuses, like, if you believe in God, why is there so much suffering? I hear that all the time.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah. The reason why there's suffering is not because God himself is, is conducting or the cause of the author of suffering. But I do believe that God is sovereign over all things. And so God is orchestrating and working. So Romans chapter eight says. And we know that God works all things for the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. And all things really means all things, including sin and suffering. So real quick example, going back to the whole Noah thing and different peoples adapting over time. Part of the reason that Europeans have been as successful as they have, right. Even if you think, oh, Europeans are oppressive, well, they oppressed successfully. Right. So no matter how you slice it, whether it was corrupt or whether it was, you know, noble, Europeans have been able to build things, innovate, and these kinds of things that not all the peoples of the earth so far have been able to do. I think there's two reasons for that. One, Europe has been steeped in Christendom for about 1500 years, all the way back to Constantine, or at least a millennia if you go back to King Alfred. So one, the Christian gospel, and that's first and foremost. Second, though, there is a human natural argument to be made that people who settled like Europeans in northern places that had a cold winter, they actually had to have. It couldn't just, you know, high time, low time preference. They had to plan for the future they had. They had to think in terms of seasons and future. A tough time is going to be coming. So we need to prepare ahead of time so that we can make it through that. And the people who couldn't think that way, guess what? They died off. Their genes were not passed on to future generations. Whereas if you live where every day is pretty much the same, it's hot today, it's hot tomorrow, it's hot the next day, then you don't develop in a certain way. And so my point is back to your question about suffering. Suffering strengthens a person. This happens with families, it happens with individuals. It happens with nations and peoples and tribes. And so could God, knowing that suffering is evil, still allow for suffering within his sovereignty in order to sharpen people, to develop people, and especially for those who are Christians, sanctify people to make them more like his son, who suffered immensely on our behalf? I think so.

[Alex Stein]

I think that's a good description. Now, this is another topic, because every time you start saying something, I'm like, oh. Because, you know, I have to debate these topics. And this one I don't know if I necessarily agree with, but they say Jeremiah 10, not to cut a tree down and put it in your living room. And. And then, you know, the fir tree is the tree, they say, of fertility. It's the only tree that can grow in the winter. So I guess, is Christmas a pagan holiday? Is it satanic to celebrate Christmas?

[Joel Webbing]

No.

[Alex Stein]

Okay.

[Joel Webbing]

You can redeem traditions, you can remove traditions, or, you know, you only have a few options. You can receive them, remove them, or redeem them. And I would go with that redemptive option, that third option when it comes to Christmas. It's true that certain holidays did have pagan roots, but I think that's the beauty of Christianity, is what Christianity has done. Time. And we've forgotten this in the West. We're soft, we're weak, we're cowardly, we have toxic empathy, we're suicidal. But Christianity, once upon a time, was a conquering religion. Not in the same way that Islam is, not just by sheer force, but Christianity. What it would do is it would go into a pagan society and it would remove all those things that were beyond the pale, that could not be redeemed because they were so counterintuitive to the things of God. But whatever could be redeemed, they redeemed. And so when we celebrate Christmas, it's like, you have a tree. What kind? A palm tree, you know? No, it's. It's an evergreen tree because we serve the God of life and we decorate it with lights. Because why? Because Christ is the light of the world and we have presence under the tree. Why? Because God gave to us on Christmas in the incarnation, the Gift of his son. I think that Christmas is a wonderfully Christian holiday. That regardless, I think it's a moot point if it had pagan roots. Well, it's now been redeemed. What Christianity does is it goes in and says, that's ours. Now we're taking that, and I love it.

[Alex Stein]

Well, yeah, I think you could argue, you look at Greek civilizations and the civilizations before we became Christian, that they didn't have the same moral compass, that it was basically Christianity that gave us, you know, our guiding light to be more altruistic and just, I guess, you know, I'm not a wordsmith when it comes because I'm not a Christian biblical expert, but it basically gave us our moral code of conduct.

[Joel Webbing]

It did. Yeah. We. You think of the Germanics, the Celts, the Saxons, all these different groups. It is true that pre Christian era, before the Gospel, before these groups were proselytized and converted to Christ, they were different than many other peoples in the world. For instance, monogamy. It wasn't universal monogamy. They were always like lords and elite men who would have more than one wife. But the common man in European societies, pre Christ, not Christ in his incarnation, but before being Christianized throughout, you know, the last 2,000 years of church history were mostly monogamous. And so there were some aspects that have carried over and I think made those peoples particularly fertile soil for the Christian gospel to bear as much fruit as it had. But there were a lot of things that they were, you know, in some sense, barbaric. It's like people will say, well, look at the Greeks and the society they built even without Christ or the Romans, and say, yeah, but they built it on a pile of skulls. Yeah, it was brutal. And so it's like, look how high the iq.

[Alex Stein]

A lot of gay stuff going on.

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah, but they killed a lot of people, people to get there. They purged the weakest of their society. But Christianity came and we continued not to digress, but even compound on the innovation, on the. The art, the philosophy, all these great triumphs with compassion for the weak. The greatest thing the world has ever seen. We should get that back.

[Alex Stein]

I agree. All right, guys, we're going to dive even deeper with Pastor Joel Webin. You don't want to miss it right after the break.

[Joel Webbing]

Turning Point would never.

[Alex Stein]

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[Joel Webbing]

It is recognizable. I recognize it as India.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, exactly. Well, I was saying I went to the University of Texas and spoke last semester there was, there was two Asians and two Indians for every white kid that I saw there. I mean, I'm telling you, the white kids are in the minority. Every time I looked around, there's a cluster of students, there's a cluster of Indian kids or cluster of Asian kids. And then I just spoke at the University of Illinois and I'm like, man, there's a lot of Asian kids here. There's a lot of Asian kids here. And I'm talking to the campus police and he goes, oh yeah, we have the highest concentration of Asian students outside of USC and la. And I'm like, what? In the University of Illinois? Champaign Urban is one of the biggest schools in Illinois. And so it's just crazy to see that if these college campuses, the demographics are changing so drastically, then it's obviously happening in the cities like Frisco and Dallas, which to me is. I mean, I'm okay, I guess. Personally, I like Big Booty Latinas. If you're nine, you're fine. I say that all the time because a Big Booty Latina is going to go work a job as a hotel maid or landscaper. Nobody's going to college for that job. I'm almost more frustrated with the legal immigration H1B fraud because they're getting Indians and paying them pennies on the dollar to steal jobs that college kids actually went to school for.

[Joel Webbing]

Right.

[Alex Stein]

So that's why I don't like. I would argue that the legal immigration is almost worse than just, you know, the Mexicans coming across the border. And Texas arguably was, you know, Mexican territory. So they really kind of have more right to this land than somebody from Mumbai, India. But I want to play this clip that is going viral. It's an old clip of Governor Abbott, but people are seeing the demographics change so rapidly and now they're realizing that this was not done by, on accident, this was done on purpose. And here's Governor Abbott basically saying, texas land is for the Indian community.

[Joel Webbing]

As long as I'm governor of this great state, Texas will be a land for the Indian community. And we will continue to celebrate Dawah here in the great state of Texas.

[Alex Stein]

Well, before you say anything, Joel, though Hindu, they like to worship the cow. They drink the cow pee. They eat the cow poop. Is that one of the most demonic religions? How does Hindu rank on the levels of, I guess, craziness of religions? Is Hindu crazier than Scientology?

[Joel Webbing]

Scientology is pretty crazy. Yeah. No, Hinduism is, is insanely demonic because it's, it's not monotheistic. It's literally millions of gods. And if you've ever watched, you know, I mean, there's been videos that have gone viral of Hindu temples where they're, you know, pouring like blood looking liquid on, on themselves or chopping off the head of a goat and then drinking the blood. So it's, I mean it's very pagan, very demonic. Polytheistic. Hinduism is, it's satanic in a lot of ways, whereas Islam is a false religion. I believe that if, if you're a Muslim and you don't repent of your sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as the son of God, then you'll go to hell. Both religions will send you to hell. But we, we have to think in categories as Christians and as Westerners. So just saying, hey. Well, both are wrong. Right? It's like the old trope like all sin is equal. If you teach your five year old kid that stealing a candy bar from a store and murdering his, his classmate at school is equal, then you're a bad parent. Right. So all sin is equal in the sense that in the eternal perspective, all sin, if not repented of, with faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, it will send you to hell. But not all sin is equal in its temporal consequences. And so too it is with false religion. Not all false religions decimate societies at the same rate or in the same way. Hinduism is terribly pagan. It is demonic in many, many ways.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. And it's not, it doesn't really share any of our Western culture values. I mean, out in prosper in Frisco, they're asking the ffa, Future farmers of America, they're supposed to go into these groups and high schools and asking them for their cow pee and their cow urine because they worship it. I mean, that's not even a conspiracy. So I just think that that is a little egregious. I like cows, but I'm not going to drink their urine. I'm not going to, you know, because they say it has healing properties. So I just am frustrated. Texas is what they call the Silicon Prairie. Austin has a lot of tech companies. We have a lot of tech companies. And because of that, they're using the H1B visa. You know, fraud, or maybe it's not even fraud. They do it in a legal manner to basically turn North Texas into little Mumbai, India.

[Joel Webbing]

Right? And you can see, like, you know, one of the things that irks me the most is in the case of, you know, Governor Abbott, it's like he's such a lazy bomb, the guy. Like, he literally will not stand up

[Alex Stein]

because he can't walk. I knew you're gonna, you know what I mean?

[Joel Webbing]

He just refuses to stand up.

[Alex Stein]

We can make fun of him because a tree fell on him, which is not, not good. I don't think anybody should have a tree fall on you. But he's not like a van veteran. He didn't get his legs blown off in the war or something. I mean, he had a tree fall on him and now he became the most powerful guy.

[Joel Webbing]

I think if you're a traitor, if you're a governor and you're a traitor to your state and you're literally replacing your native population, then we can make fun of you.

[Alex Stein]

I agree. And if you're. You care more about your special interest groups that donate money to your campaign instead of your actual constituents, then, yeah, you're fair game for all kinds of bashing and trolling. I encourage people to troll, Governor Abbott. Well, guys, we said at the start of this episode, this is a two part series. So after the break, or, excuse me, after this episode tomorrow night, you're going to be able to watch the second part of this episode where we dive even deeper into the scripture and two topics that you're not going to get on your everyday podcast. We're going to dive really deep. Now, Joel, before we go, what is the best way for people to find you and support you?

[Joel Webbing]

Yeah. Thanks for having me on the show, Alex. It means a lot. I really appreciate it. Not everybody's willing to have me.

[Alex Stein]

No, I like a controversial guy. I'm controversial. I appreciate it.

[Joel Webbing]

So on X at Joel Webbin is my handle at Joel Webbing Your ex

[Alex Stein]

has been blowing up. Your ex is doing really well. Yeah.

[Joel Webbing]

Thanks, man.

[Alex Stein]

Because you got spicy taste. That's what we need, you know, and I don't think that you're just being spicy for spicy steak, but I think that you actually have, you know, a belief system that with a lot of evidence and it totally goes against, you know, this woke world that we live in where we're politically correct. Some of your viewpoints are politically incorrect. And I think that is what it takes to be. So you have to be a little polarizing.

[Joel Webbing]

Yes, you do. Yeah. I'm a moderate centrist from, like the 1550s.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. So.

[Joel Webbing]

But that is a far right extremist by today's standards. So at Joel Webbin, it's not just my random tweets at 3am in the morning, but we actually post all of our videos we live stream on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 12pm Eastern time on X. Or you could just search NXR Studios on YouTube.

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[Joel Webbing]

We're there too.

[Alex Stein]

Well, everybody go support Joel. And tomorrow night, we're going to have round two with the based pastor also. So, guys, you know, here at Real America's Voice, we're getting into the music business. And you know that the stereotypical mainstream music industry is run by basically pedophiles and satanists. So we're doing something different. We're making music that is made with, you know, some class, some grace, and not meant to be demonic and turn your kids into a transgender weirdo. So we have our latest song. It is called Ammunition. Make sure to go download it wherever you get your music. The QR code is right there if you guys want to find it quickly and support Rav, because Rav supports me. So, you know, if you support the music, you support me in a way. So I really appreciate that and I really appreciate you watching this episode. And don't forget round two tomorrow night. You don't want to miss it.

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[Joel Webbing]

So bring it. Knock me, tear me, rock me, mow me down. Even take me out Keep on shooting and

[Alex Stein]

I'll keep stocking up on.

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