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Alex Stein
Tucker, you're not the father. This has to be wrong.
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Alex Stein
If it was okay to have anal sex, no apologies. You were talking about things that probably you shouldn't talk about.
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The undisputed king of Trolley.
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Alex Stein
I finally had my own show at one point. Your ancestors owned slaves.
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Alex Stein
He wants to kill babies. But she's still beautiful. Look at that booty on aoc. That's my favorite big booty.
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Latina politics, culture, hypocrisy.
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Alex Stein
They want them to have their penises
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Joel Webbin
Actually, that's what I'm saying. They admit they want to cut people's penises off.
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Late night just got dangerous. After Hours with your host, Alex Stein starts right now.
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Alex Stein
Thank you guys for joining us this evening on After Hours with Alex Stein right here on Real America's Voice. And this is round two with the bass pastor. You can watch him at Interact Studios. And he has a social media following that is absolutely exploding. He's come on the scene like a force of nature and he has the passion of the Christ or of Christ through him. So I think that's helping him become successful. So with all that being said, let's welcome on our in studio guest, Joel Webb. And Joel, thank you for joining us for round two. How are you doing, my friend?
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Joel Webbin
I'm doing great. Thanks, Alex, for having me.
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Alex Stein
Well, we did round one and I was happy you put me over a little bit. You know, you were being nice because I know that this is a different format than you're used to. But I really appreciate you coming on and I guess teaching me because I'm not a Bible expert. I'm very interested in the Bible. I've read the Bible, but I don't. You know, when you kind of scam the Bible like I've read it. I'm not an expert, but we talked about the Nephilim. I am a full. I just fully believe that there had to be giants. You look David and Goliath and I think I'm such a conspiracy theorist. I think the Smithsonian is hiding those dinosaurs. I mean, not dinosaur bones, but dinosaurs are kind of funny.
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Joel Webbin
So true, King.
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Alex Stein
But what I'm saying is there had to be these tall creatures and so can you explain what the Nephilim are and why you think they did exist?
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Joel Webbin
Yeah, I absolutely think they exist. You can find it. Numbers, chapter 13. The premier passage would be Genesis chapter 6. The sons of God is what the text says. There's only a few places in the scripture that uses that phrase, sons of God. Job, the beginning of the book of Job talks about the sons of God and it's an obvious, explicit reference to angels. Not men, not humanity, but angels. And it's talking about this divine council that God is seated in heaven. There are angels who have convened before him, and Satan is actually one of the people. It says that he came before God. He came from wandering to and fro over the earth and God. That's when God says, have you considered my servant Job? None like him. He's faithful. So sons of God is I, I believe a reference to angels, not humanity, but angels. And Genesis chapter six says that the sons of God that haven't been fallen, when they were defeated, when they joined Lucifer, who became Satan, joined him in a campaign against God, trying to be as God. They were cast down from heaven. It says, woe to you, O earth, for the devil has been cast down to you. Cast down to the earth by the archangel Michael and the angelic, you know, host that he led into battle against Satan and all those ANC angels that followed him. So these fallen angels, Genesis 6 says that they saw that the daughters of men were lovely and says came into them. And so a Nephilim would be the hybrid offspring of half fallen angel and half human woman. And these Nephilim down their lineage as they took other human wives, would give birth to unusually, unnaturally large people. Giants. Yeah.
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Alex Stein
Well, is that why Noah, and this is just a conspiracy, is that why Noah had to have a flood to swipe these huge giants off the face of the Earth?
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Joel Webbin
Yeah. So I actually think, and you know, this is obviously, you know, a little bit controversial and debatable.
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Alex Stein
We love it. We love the controversy. We welcome it.
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Joel Webbin
That's one of the constant tired tropes of the atheist, is like, well, I could never be a Christian because God's inhumane and he committed genocide and he did this and it was cruel and he flooded the whole Earth and there were women and children. Yeah, well, you know, were they, you know, like God killed all, all these human beings. How human were they? Yeah, like. So I, I actually, when I'm reading the Old Testament, I did a whole series in my church sermon series for months through the book of Joshua, when God is Leading Joshua to lead the Israelites into battle against all these different Canaanite tribes, you know, in the, the promised land. And there are not, not in every instance, but there are multiple instances where God says, wipe them all out. Right, wipe them all out. Well, in those instances, it's actually really key to notice that in the Book of Numbers, I believe it's chapter 13. They notice, for instance, with Jericho.
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Alex Stein
Right.
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Joel Webbin
A lot of people know that story. They marched around the walls and they gave a great shout. On the seventh day, the walls come tumbling down. Well, in that case, they were commanded by God to wipe out, you know, every single inhabitant of the city of Jericho. But it also says in numbers that when they were spying out, right. The, The Israelite spies, 12 of them, Joshua and Caleb, where two of them, 10 of them come back and bring a bad report. This is when Moses is still the head of, of Israel. 10 of these 12 spies, Israelite spies come back and they say, we can't do it. There are giants in the land and we look like grasshoppers by comparison. Right. So we're not just talking about NBA, you know. Yeah, because a lot of people say, yeah, giants, but that just means like
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Alex Stein
you know, 8ft tall.
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Joel Webbin
Yeah, exactly. No, it's like we look like grasshoppers is what they're saying. And sure, a little bit of hyperbole maybe in there, but these dudes are big, like, like inhumanly big. And then these are the same kind of Canaanite tribes that they scoped out years before when, when Moses was still in leadership. But then when Moses died, Joshua takes over. And the same tribes that God commands Joshua to lead the Israelites in wiping out the whole lineage of that tribe are the same tribes that they saw before and reported. These guys are, are inhuman. They're giant. And then at the time of the flood, this is Genesis chapter like 8 and, and 9, the flood at the time of Noah. It's right on the heels of Genesis chapter six where everything is corrupt. And a big part of it is because fallen angels take wives, human wives, and create this hybrid half fallen angel, half human offspring that's not fully human. So I actually think that that's a really helpful way of reading the Bible. One, God is slow to anger and abundant in mercy. However, God is not eternally, he's long suffering. The Bible says this his steadfast love, long suffering. But God is not eternally tolerant. So eventually God actually does bring eternal judgment, hell, and even temporally can bring judgment on people who have been stiff necked and rebellious for a very long time. And he's within his rights to do that because he's God. That's one explanation. And I would say it's both. It's that and also I think that some of these tribes that God was punishing with severe punishment or the whole world at the time of Noah, not only were they corrupt and wicked people, I think they were not actually fully people.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, well, Rob Skiba, I don't know if you're a Rob Skiba fan, but he had a great presentation about. That is actually the floods was very. Just, you know, they needed to do it because the people, quote, unquote, you know, were needed to be wiped out because they weren't like you and I. It was, you know, totally different world. So you know what? I know that's a controversial take, maybe for some people, but I think that that makes a lot of sense. But, you know, what do I know? I'm not an exper. Now, real quick, we kind of touched on the beginning of the episode. Why is this thing called Judeo Christian? Why is Caroline Levitt saying we're a Judeo Christian country? What does that even mean? Does that just mean that it's Jewish Christianity? What does Judeo Christian mean? And you got a couple minutes?
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Joel Webbin
Okay. Well, I actually had the privilege of writing with a co author, Jordan Hall. We wrote a book called the Hyphenated Heresy, subtitled Judeo Christianity. And so there's, you know, the scripture says, what fellowship does light have with darkness? What fellowship does Christ have with Beelzebub? There can be no fellowship between the Judeo piece and the Christian piece. I understand the argument. Oh, well, we're just talking about the values. But the reality is that there's something to be said for Mosaic Judaism, if we could use that phrase, coin it. Mosaic Judaism, meaning the religion of Old Covenant Israel before the time of Christ. But that is not Judaism today. See, that's the, I think the misnomer, the massive way that Christians in the west have been hoodwinked by Judaism, modern Talmudic Judaism. They think Christians today think that Judaism is just the Bible minus the New Testament.
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Alex Stein
Yeah. That is the most reductive way of how they view it.
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Joel Webbin
But it's not because. Because it's.
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Alex Stein
Well, and the Jewish people do say we share the same Bible, even though it's not. You know, but you do hear that. I'm saying you hear that all the time.
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Joel Webbin
No, you're right. So that's kind of like the argument that's often used. But the reality is that both Christians and Jews, religious Jews, have a lens for interpreting the Old Testament. So we share the Torah, the Old Testament. That's true. But it's not as though that Judaism, modern Talmudic Judaism, which is not Mosaic Judaism, but Talmudic Judaism, it's not as though they don't have a New Testament, a lens for reading the Torah. They do. It's the Talmud. And so it's not that they just have the Bible minus the New Testament, but the part of the Bible that we share, namely the Old Testament, for them. It's not just that Judaism is incomplete Christianity. It is a portion of Christianity that's then been twisted and tweaked and perverted by the Talmud. So when Christians read the Old Testament, we read it in light of the New. It's as though the New Testament is functioning as a pair of glasses to where we put on our New Testament lenses. And then we look at the Old Testament and we see Christ in all of it. But Jews are reading through a set of glasses, also the Old Testament, the Torah. But it is a Antichrist lens that they're using, a lens that is hostile towards Christ, a rejection of Christ by definition, objectively. And so, again, Judeo Christian is just such a misunderstanding because it's not two religions that have, you know, at their core, some kind of similarity. And Judaism is just a portion of Christianity that's incomplete. No, it's. It's a perversion of the Old Testament that ultimately lands with an entirely different religion that is at odds the antithesis of the Christian faith.
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Alex Stein
Guys, Joel does not pull any punches. You know, we're probably. I'm going to get canceled for this podcast. I just want to say Israel is the greatest country on earth. We love Judaism. It is the best religion in the world. Everybody should be a Jew. All right, Obviously, I'm kidding. Well, if you're a Jewish person, I don't care. I just like the way that you actually call it like you see it, because not enough people do that. Joel. And, guys, coming up after the break, we're gonna dive even deeper into, you know, all of these foreign entanglements that we're in. And if there is some sort of reoccurring reason why we're in all of these foreign entanglements, but you know what I mean, we'll get into it after the break. And, you know, we're with the bass passer, Joel Webbins, so he's not pulling any punches. So if you're a soy boy, if you're a libtard or if you're a Judeo Christian, strap in because this fight's about to get a lot bumpier. See you after the break.
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Joel Webbin
Foreign
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Alex Stein
Welcome back to After Hours with Alex Stein right here on Real America's Voice. Now, I was recently on campus at the University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign, and the school newspaper writer came and asked me a question that they were at a previous, previous event where I said a little misogyny is good and that men need to be more masculine and women need to be more feminine. I think that was pretty obvious. But they asked me, you know, can a woman become a boss, babe? Can a woman, you know, be a teacher, professor? And I said, yes, they can, but they would make better cooks. And then they labeled me as a misogynist. And I'm a misogynist. I love misogyny. Yada, yada, yada. A little bit true. I mean, I guess I little, I am a little bit of a misogynist. I'm not going to sit here and lie. But I do think women are incredibly important. Obviously, they can have our babies. I think that is, you know, what the Bible says is that they, you know, we have different roles. There's different strokes for different folks. So they, they have their roles, we have ours. And Joel, you are an outspoken guy that is not afraid to say it like you feel it when it comes to this topic. And there is a viral clip of you talking about women governing in governing positions is actually God's punishment. And I kind of agree with this. I feel like sometimes we give these women, like, imagine President Kamala Harris. Like, we can have our complaints about Trump, but Kamala Harris was in office. It'd probably be way worse. So I want to play this clip and then I want to get your response and context behind it.
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Joel Webbin
Isaiah chapter three says that one of the signs of God's judgment upon a nation, when a nation is cursed for its idolatry and rebellion against God, is that they would be ruled over by foreigners, children and women. Not only is an offense to God, we're actually using the biblical receipts from Isaiah chapter three. It's something that God does in his sovereignty. He actually elevates states and, and installs women in governing positions of society as a judgment and punishment for it because it, Lord knows it's a punishment. There are dead daughters because female liberal judges let out career criminals after being arrested 14 times so they could go and Stab your daughter in the neck on a train. Women in positions, formal positions of civil governing, of authority, are God's judgment on a nation, his punishment on a nation. Because if you think what could hurt a nation? God's rod of discipline, punishment for nations steeped in idolatry, a nation that's rebelling against him. God looks at a nation like that and says, they're disobedient. They must be disciplined. It has to hurt so they might come to their senses and repent. When God thinks, I need discipline that will hurt this nation currently in rebellion, he thinks, I know what will hurt, hurt women in leadership. Nothing hurts more than women informal leadership, because they will do exactly the opposite of everything that leads to prosperity and life and blessing.
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Alex Stein
So I. I definitely want to get your context.
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Joel Webbin
So true.
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Alex Stein
But I do agree with that. I think that is probably a punishment. But how could we be ruled by children if God did say that? Well, what does that mean? That is that in reference to our kids would own, like, be the boss of us. What. What is. Because I understood your woman reference, but you mentioned that that would be a form of punishment as well, being robbed by children. So give us context.
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Joel Webbin
That's just. That's what the text says In Isaiah, chapter 3. It list at least three entities. Foreigners, women and children.
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Alex Stein
Well, I feel like foreigners. We already have. You go to Frisco City Council, it's all foreigners. So. So is that. So you're telling me though, you do think that this is part of God's punishment and that.
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Joel Webbin
Absolutely. So, and here's the deal. Like, I would like to think, obviously we can't do it right now because we're just stupid. But as, as a country, as the church is stupid, Christian pastors are stupid, fat and stupid. It's like, a lot of times I feel like I'm not qualified to be a past. I weigh less than £300.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, you don't drive a Mercedes Benz.
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Joel Webbin
And also, I'm not fat. Pastors are fat. Like, I'd like to see a pastor preach a sermon about gluttony for once, you know, and embezzlement. That would be great. But anyway, so the church is absolutely in rebellion against God. Not every church, not every Christian. God has always reserved a faithful remnant. And I believe there's a faithful. There are precious Christians who love the Lord Jesus here in this country, and there are good churches that are faithful. But you look at the church at large and it's. It's off the rails and it's. It's no Wonder that the country is off the ra. So in terms of categories, being able to walk and chew gum at the same time, we can actually resist the, the, the tangible effects of the judgment of God while also repenting of the root causal sin for which we're under judgment at the same time. So let me break that down real quick. I think that abortion and sodomy. Abortion and sodomy are two of the root sins.
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Alex Stein
Real quick. Is oral sex part of sodomy?
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Joel Webbin
No.
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Alex Stein
Okay, just making sure. I heard that it was.
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Joel Webbin
No, that's a long conversation. Oral sex should be normative and those kinds of things. But I do feel comfortable. Short answer is I can absolutely say that in biblical terms that sodomy is worse than oral sex. Right. So whether or not oral sex is permissible. Don't really.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, we're not getting into that. Because I saw something that said actually oral sex is part of sodomy. And I'm like, really? I didn't know that.
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Joel Webbin
Sodomy. I think we know what that is. Is. Yeah, yeah, we know what.
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Alex Stein
We know what that is. It's in the number 2 and exit only zone.
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Joel Webbin
It's an any where there should be an out. Right. It's a, It's a pretty simple concept. So. And if we ever wonder, well, how does God feel about sodomy? There was literally a town called Sodom in the Bible and God destroyed it with, you know, fire and brimstone. So that's how he feels about it. And if people say, well, Jesus doesn't talk about homosexuality. Yeah. In Jesus context, nobody was so wicked. And, and to where Jesus had to talk about it, it was assumed that it was evil. And if you think, well, Jesus is for it, but the Old Testament, that's a different God. He's against it. Look, Jesus is the second person of the eternal Godhead. Jesus, He. He was incarnated in real human history 2000 years ago of the Virgin Mary, pre incarnation. It's not that. That's the time in which Jesus began to exist. In the beginning. John chapter one says this. In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God. The Word was God, meaning that Jesus before his incarnation still existed as a. A most pure spirit without body parts and passions, just as the Father and the Spirit, all three persons of the Trinity, eternally existing without beginning and without end. Which means when God was raining fire and brimstone down on the city of Sodom for their sin of sodomy, Jesus was right there next to his father, applauding his just work so that that's some trinitarian theology for you. And God says, behold, I am the Lord, I change it not. I'm the same yesterday, today and forever. So there's that we have been sexually perverse and one of the results of our sexual perversion is the murder of the unborn child. We have murdered in the womb of mothers 70 million children in half of a century. And for us to think that that's not going to incur the wrath and the judgment of God is so arrogant I can't even put it into words. So I actually think, think that the gynocracy that we currently have, that we're ruled by suicidal empathetic women. Yeah. And, and that we are also invaded and overrun by mass foreigners. I think that these are actually the symptoms, the judgment for the root sins of sodomy and abortion. There's a lot of sin, arrogance, pride, these kinds of greed, materialism. But I think sodomy and abortion being two of the primary root sins and then the foreign and women leadership being the judgment. And what we need to do is again walk and chew gum at the same time. No more immigration and let's get some mass deportations and let's stop especially it's one thing when the libtards do it, but oh, I'm a conservative, I'm not work or woke. We got CPAC coming up and we need to reach the youths and the women and so quick, find a blonde haired, busty babe, put her in a pantsuit and have her take the biggest session at the conference. No, you're a feminist, right? You're just, you're a soft feminist. This other person is a hard feminist. But you are a feminist. So I think what we need to do is we need to encourage women to go home and we need to stop foreign invasion and we also simultaneously need to repent as a nation for sexual perversion and abortion. We can do it all by the grace of God, but there needs to be revival. We need to return to Christ.
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Alex Stein
Well, you know, I got fact checked on a jubilee debate that I did and they actually fact checked me correctly and I was talking there, said, you know, topic of, you know, gay people came up and I said, you know, the majority of gay people, it's over 70% said say that they were sexually molested at one point. And so I think, I don't think there maybe some people were born gay, but I don't think that's really the common reason why people are gay. I think that they were victims of abuse so how do we judge a person that was abused as a child and become gay? I mean, are they. Are they irredeemable?
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Joel Webbin
No, of course not. Christ can redeem anything. But here's the thing about redemption. Redemption has, as a prerequisite, repentance. God is able to redeem and willing to redeem all who repent. But the problem is God can't redeem and won't redeem a person when they're not even willing to admit that they need redemption. So part of the problem today is with the LGBT mafia. It's not just that they're committing sexual perversions. But, you know, Isaiah says elsewhere, woe to those who call good evil and evil good. They're actually saying, no. This is. Not only do we think that these things are permissible, we actually think they're virtuous. We actually think that this is more compassionate and more loving and actually makes more sense and more logical and more righteous. And so a person like that can't be redeemed because God doesn't redeem good people. He redeems sinners, and I'm one of them. But you have to actually admit that you're a sinner. And so, yes, God can redeem the person who was molested as a child who says, I am this way. I don't want to be this way. I know that this is against what God desires for me. Jesus helped me. Of course I believe in gay conversion therapy. I'm a pastor, a Christian pastor.
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Alex Stein
Of course. I know. But you know how that is a hot topic?
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Joel Webbin
I do.
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Alex Stein
I do.
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Joel Webbin
That's so stupid. It's. Here's the thing. They're converting our heterosexual children to be.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, I agree. So they can turn them gay, straight. Yeah.
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Joel Webbin
So if you get to convert in
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Alex Stein
public school, makes sense. I really kind of. I'm not. I'm raising my voice because we can turn them gay. Why can't we turn them back straight? It kind of makes sense. If we can go one way, why can't it go the other?
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Joel Webbin
Yep, yep. So true, King.
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Alex Stein
It is a controversial subject, but I'm telling you. So I, you know, have gay family members. I know people that are gay. I don't hate people that they're gay. But I think now when they put pride flags in classrooms, when a pride flag only indicates your sexual preference, it doesn't make sense to me that we're celebrating people's sexual preferences in a school. And I think that that's where we've gotten to, where it's not just Being okay with being gay, where now you have to be indoctrinated into this LGBTQ mafia. And it's just ridiculous, and it's. It's evil, in my opinion.
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Joel Webbin
And real quick, in terms of the origin, like, when an individual is a homosexual, I think that there's the molestation cases where they were sexually abused as a child, and it. And it causes them to be confused and develop disordered desires and all these kinds of things. That's one case, but that's not everybody. Another case is that sin. There is a progression to sin. You don't just wake up one day and say, you know what? I think I'll be a serial killer. That's not the way sin works. The book of James actually says that sin when fully conceived gives. Or, I'm sorry, desires wicked. Desires when fully conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when fully grown brings forth death. So there's actually a progression to sin. So I've talked to homosexuals who. Some of them, their testimony is, my dad did terrible things to me. Some of them, their testimony is, I loved porn. I looked at it all the time. I slept with, like. Like, 100 or 500 or a thousand women. Eventually, it just didn't do it for me anymore, and I wanted to try something else. You know, I had. I had a homosexual tell me. He said, joel, you know what it's like to be pleased. Nobody knows how to please a man more than a man. So that's just ranked perversion. Right? And I appreciate he was just willing to be honest and call it what it was. He was like, no, it wasn't.
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Alex Stein
Pretty gay, though.
- [29:35]
Joel Webbin
Yeah, super gay. But he's like, I wasn't abused. I just. I'm a sexual deviant. Right? And then the third option is, well, what about those who are born gay? People get into the debate. Christians will say, you can't be born gay. Here's the deal. The whole impetus of the Christian gospel is that you must be born again. All of us are born as sinners in some capacity. Some people have a propensity towards greed. Some people have a propensity towards pride. The idea that some people might be born with a propensity towards disordered desires is not beyond the pale. But the impetus of the gospel remains the same for all of them. You must be born again. The fact that you might be able to root an argument in nature doesn't make it moral, because the Christian faith, the Christian life, is not the natural life, but the supernatural life. And even for the person who might have naturally been born gay, which is a very simplistic way of describing it. I think that even that in the true case number one, it's not supernatural and it's not being born again, they still need to repent and follow Christ. Number two, if they were born that way, according to the flesh, even that not only is it not supernatural, I don't even think it's natural. I think if they were born that way, it's because of hormones and endorphins and chemical aberrations and all this stuff. Because Alex Jones was right. Birth control down the pipes. And it's turning not just the frogs gay. It's turning people gay.
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Alex Stein
You're right. And you know what? I've always thought that lesbians are fake. There's actually a viral clip where these lesbians are on a podcast and they were mad because the girl said, every time I get drunk, I end up sleeping with a guy. So it's like, you know, just being a lesbian, lesbian. Now. I think being a gay guy is real.
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Joel Webbin
But did you know they found a cure to lesbianism is what's called alcohol? It's called Ozempic.
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Alex Stein
Oh, okay. Why is it Ozempic?
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Joel Webbin
Because all lesbians are ugly fat chicks.
- [31:16]
Alex Stein
Oh, yeah. So once they get hot, that does make sense. A lot of them are. They look like WNBA players and they're not getting any boyfriends. All right, guys, we're getting into some even more spicier topics. We're going to talk about the Dead Sea scrolls and some of the, I guess not gnostic theological viewpoints that whether Joel agrees on them or not. But I want to get his opinion. That's coming up after the break.
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Alex Stein
Thank you guys for joining us. Right here on Real America's Voice, you're watching After Hours with Alex Stein and we have an incredible guest. He is a awesome pastor. Controversial one, but I honestly don't think anything he said is really too crazy. So Joel, thank you for joining us. I just want to say I've learned a lot from these past two episodes. I really have. And I really appreciate you because you call it like you see it. But I do want to talk a little bit about the Bible that we have. There's 27 books in the Bible, but really there's other books in the Bible they don't talk about. What is the Book of James? That's Jesus, brother. And the Book of Enoch. So can you tell us, is there more to the Bible that we need to know? Are they hiding some of the good stuff from us?
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Joel Webbin
Yeah, I don't think they're hiding anything. Consensus matters. And so, you know, throughout church history, 2,000 years now, since the finished work of Christ, you've got 2,000 years of history, of church councils, and all agreeing upon, you know, books of the Bible that are in the canon. And so the only real difference is between Protestants and Catholics. So Protestants have 66 books of the Bible, including the Old Testament and the New, and Catholics have, like, seven extra books. Books. But the Book of Enoch is one of those books that it's not in the Bible. Now. There's actually like the first book of Enoch and then the second.
- [36:00]
Alex Stein
Well, isn't Enoch the only person that didn't die? He just got to go straight up to heaven? That's a pretty important guy. Oh, yeah. That's pretty crazy.
- [36:07]
Joel Webbin
So Enoch, Genesis says he walked with God and was no more, that God took him. And so as far as we can tell from Scripture, Enoch didn't die, but he actually just was taken by the Lord. Lord up into heaven. Yeah. So I think that it's highly contested, the second book of Enoch. And third.
- [36:26]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [36:26]
Joel Webbin
Whether or not those were actually written by Enoch, the first book could have been written by Enoch. I'm inclined to think that it was. And it's actually referenced. This is something that a lot of Christians don't. They're not aware of. But the book of Jude, which is in the canon of Scripture, actually refers to Enoch's first book in his writing. So the way I see it is I don't think that the church fathers made a mistake. So I wouldn't look at the Book of Enoch as being fully inerrant and inspired by God, infallible without error. But I would look at the Book of Enoch as the first book as being something that is generally reliable and generally true to the point that you have apostles in the New Testament under the inspiration of the Spirit, writing books that are in the canon of Scripture and referencing it as though it's a reliable source. So I think the first book of Enoch is fair game. I wouldn't hold it to the same. Same level of authority as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But I also want to demonize it. Whereas, like, the Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic gospel.
- [37:27]
Alex Stein
Yeah, sorry to cut you off. What is Gnosticism? How does that fit into all this? Because, you know, and I'm saying this in the most simplistic way, because I'm not a Gnostic gospel expert. But the fact that there's Christian Gnosticism that supposedly when you get to the 33rd degree of Freemasonry, and this is where I learned it, is that they actually tell you a different story in that Jewish Jesus was sent here by the Monad to warn us about the material world and that, that, that's who, you know, really was. There's one ruler, and that's why the God of the Old Testament is different than Jesus, I guess, the new God. I mean, I'm kind of, you know,
- [38:00]
Joel Webbin
so Freemasons and I think, you know, that Freemasons are heretics.
- [38:03]
Alex Stein
Yeah, that's what they say. Yeah, yeah.
- [38:04]
Joel Webbin
And so Gnosticism is one of the most ancient Christian heresies. Gnosticism in a nutshell is the idea that the, the physical whole, not just person, but whole cosmos created order is of no account. And not just that it's meaningless or of, of little to no value, but it's actually inherently evil and wicked, that it's corrupt by nature and, and irredeemable. But the spiritual, both the spiritual realm and in the case of individual human beings, the soul is, you know, it's inherently pure and good. And so the, the Christian Gnostics have always believed and you find even first John in the Bible is writing against, that's one of the groups, heretical groups that he's explicitly writing against. And, and so they, they had this view, the Gnostics, early Gnostics, and still to this day, that the body was, was corrupt. The flesh, literal, physical flesh was corrupt and functioning like a prison entrapping the soul. And so, you know, suffering and, and death was actually. The Savior wasn't really Jesus at the end of the day. The Savior was actually death because death would erode the prison of the flesh and set your soul free to transcend and attain to its, you know, its full purity and potential. And the reality is that's, that's not what the Christian religion actually teaches. So when God creates the world each of these six days of creation, he looks and says, it is good. It is good. And so as Christians, we don't want to be mere materialist where we idolize, lies and worship the created order over and above the Creator who is to be forever praised. That's what Romans 1 is about. They exchanged, you know, true worship of the Creator for worshiping the creature instead. So that's idolatry. That elevates the material above the spiritual, and that's wrong. But Gnosticism commits the the same error, but in the opposite direction. Gnosticism denies the innate goodness that God declared over the created order. Order. It also would deny what the Bible teaches about the final physical resurrection. A lot of Christians, we forget this St Paul, he said in Scripture that to be absent of the body is to be present with the Lord. Yes, and amen. That when a Christian dies that their soul immediately is now in the presence of God in heaven. But that's not actually where the story ends. Eventually there's a culmination, the Bible speaks of this, a future culmination to all of human history where Christ Jesus returns. A physical final return of Jesus Christ and resurrects our bodies and our soul then would actually be rejoined with our now glorified resurrected body. So the temporal existence for the Christian upon death is a sole existence in the presence of the Lord. But the final and eternal existence for Christians is a bodily existence. And this body, it's not another body, it's this body made, made new. Just as Christ was bodily resurrected, the Bible says he was resurrected as a first fruits of what we too who are in Christ Jesus can expect. So, so we can't totally demonize the material physical world because God actually sees our bodies as something that still maintains some inherent goodness that he made, he created and will be redeemed and glorified and resurrected. And we will actually have a physical, physical, literal, material existence with the Lord forever. And that's good. And so we don't want to to
- [41:30]
Alex Stein
throw the baby out with a bath like Gnosticism does. So, so now I gotta ask you this, and I've debated this. I believe that it takes faith and works to get into heaven. But am I, am I a libtard for thinking that? What is your opinion on faith vers works?
- [41:42]
Joel Webbin
Well, I think what is the guy
- [41:44]
Alex Stein
that died next to Jesus on the cross, he got in right, so he didn't have to do any work. But I mean I feel like if he died with Jesus that might, you
- [41:49]
Joel Webbin
know, I would say even the case of a thief on the cross who died next to Christ, he did actually have good works. And so this is the way that I would frame it theologically. We are saved by faith alone. But faith, true faith, living faith that saves is never alone. Faith will always be evidenced by good works. That if we really trust in Jesus, if any man trust in Christ, he is a new creation. And, and God has ordained good works works ahead of time that his people should walk in them. So my Point is that that true living faith saves us, but true living faith also causes us to do good works. And even in the case of a thief who is being crucified on the cross next to Jesus, this man, he didn't have time to be baptized. He didn't have time to go and live a life of helping old ladies cross the street, you know, or be a good husband, a good father father, these kinds of things, or give money to the church. He didn't do any of those things. But he did actually have one good work. And it's the quintessential good work. What he did was God granted him faith, a new heart, regeneration. And then with that faith, he confessed that Jesus is Lord and he actually defended Christ. He was an apologist, right? The other thief on the cross says, hey, he's mocking Jesus. If you're really God, then save yourself and save us all also. And then he says, shut your mouth. How dare you speak to it. We deserve, as criminals to be crucified, but this man is an innocent man who has done no wrong. Jesus, please, Lord, remember me when you come into my kingdom. And Jesus says, I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise. And so there's a sense in which he was saved by faith alone. That's true. But he also, even with a few minutes or hours that he had left
- [43:32]
Alex Stein
in his life, he did the ultimate work.
- [43:33]
Joel Webbin
He was doing good work works. Because true saving faith will always be evidenced by good works.
- [43:40]
Alex Stein
Wow. You know, I'm learning a lot. And I think, you know, you have all these answers, and I know that you're not, you know, you're not all knowing.
- [43:46]
Joel Webbin
No, of course.
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Alex Stein
But I guess. What motivated you?
- [43:48]
Joel Webbin
I'm the top tard in the Lord's.
- [43:50]
Alex Stein
You are, you are a little autistic.
- [43:51]
Joel Webbin
I'm retarded, you know, but I'm God's retard.
- [43:54]
Alex Stein
Yeah. And that's. And that's a good person to defend. Now, now. And I guess the shortest manner that you can't. Why do you think personally, that society. And we got to go to break, so this is kind of a bad question to ask. So maybe we can answer it after the break, though. Why do they hide the existence of God? Why is that so important in your opinion, on them telling us that we live in a world that was created by big rocks smashing together?
- [44:18]
Joel Webbin
Right. I mean, even the scientists do this. I mean, it's the big bang. It's, you know, macro evolution. But here's what's so funny. They'll look at sediments of rock and different layers of the earth and say, look, this was a little bit of water stream over millions and millions of years. And it's like, so you're telling me that a little bit of water with a lot of bit of time made the earth look like this? What if it was a lot of bit of water like a global flood with a little bit of time? Would it have the same effect? We know that it's true. Romans 1 tells us that the reason why all men are without an excuse is because God has demonstrated his eternal power and divine nature by what he has made. The the creation itself testifies that there is a creator and that he's made all these things. And I think the reason why the secular liberalism and all this tries to to somehow construct a world without the existence of God is because then man gets to be God. You know, then, then they get to make the rules.
- [45:15]
Alex Stein
Yeah, that makes sense. Well guys, we got one more segment with the bass pastor. He is an awesome guy. I enjoy listening and learning, so. So you don't want to miss it. That's coming up next. We're going to be talking about Donald Trump, so trust me, you want to stay tuned to that.
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Let's go. We have a country that has a litany of domestic issues, and for some reason, we're going to reallocate our resources to go fight a war that is just a foreign policy issue that most people don't even care about or will ever go to and that most people never even go to the Middle East. So why is my tax dollars going to fight a war in the middle? Release. And then you're going to tell me, oh, it's for your protection. But they don't have bombs that can go this far. So it's like even if they develop the nuclear head, they don't have an actual device to send it over to America.
- [51:09]
Joel Webbin
So Matt Gaetz said that, like a year ago, and he was right.
- [51:12]
Alex Stein
Yeah. It's just so ludicrous because they say we've been at a war with them for 47 years. That's so dumb. We have not. Yes, they probably sponsor some state, you know, some terrorists, but we have too. We created the mujahideen that fought a war with Russia.
- [51:25]
Joel Webbin
So we've.
- [51:26]
Alex Stein
We've sponsored some terrorists. So it just seems a little hypocritical when we say we've been in war with them for 47 years, yet they've never bombed America. I've never been under the war.
- [51:34]
Joel Webbin
It's also hypocritical when it's like, well, we gotta fight them because they chant death to America.
- [51:38]
Alex Stein
I believe in the First Amendment. If they want to say that they can say that.
- [51:40]
Joel Webbin
But what I was going to point out is, like, okay, they chant. You know, some of them chant, death to America. But the president of our country just recently said, I'm going to blow up an entire civilization and send them to the Stone Age. So our president says it with troops by the ready. They have random people on the corner, so when they say it, they're serious. And that somehow merits us going and fighting. But when our president says it, it's. Well, it's just a Trump bluff. You know, 4D chess. Like, the hardest thing I think about being MAGA these days is having to tell your dad you're gay.
- [52:19]
Alex Stein
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Like rollerblading. No, actually, that brings me to my last question that I want to ask. Asking Donald Trump famously said that he's not going to get into heaven. Do you think Trump's going to get into heaven? I hope he gets in.
- [52:30]
Joel Webbin
Oh, no, I absolutely hope he gets in. I want everyone to go to heaven. I don't want anybody to go to hell. The scripture even says that God takes. He punishes the wicked, but it says that he takes no delight in the judgment of the wicked. And so I want Trump to go to heaven. But if you're asking me right now, if Trump was to die right now, now, should we have any type of assurance that Trump would actually be in heaven with Christ? And I think the answer is no, because by his own admission, he said a number of times he's made it blatantly obvious by his own rhetoric that he doesn't know what Christianity really is. He doesn't know what salvation really means. He's made statements like, you know, I haven't really repented for anything. I'd rather not say I'm sorry. I'd rather just never do anything wrong, you know, or like. Or I don't really need forgiveness. I'd rather just be right, you know, like. Or there's times where he'll say, like, oh, I hope I've been good enough to get to heaven. Like, it's just a matter of doing nice things. But. But what you don't see Trump saying is all people, including myself, are sinners in need of salvation that comes from Christ alone. I've never heard that from Trump.
- [53:42]
Alex Stein
What about Joe Biden? I think Joe Biden's a pretty strict Catholic. Do you think he has a chance of getting in over Trump?
- [53:48]
Joel Webbin
Well, see, so in the case of Trump, Jesus actually tells a parable of, you know, two brothers and their. Their father asked him to come and work in the vineyard. And, you know, one of the sons, he says, I can't do it. I'm too busy, you know, but then he ends up showing up and then the other son says, you know, I'll be there, dad, you can count on me. And then he doesn't show up at all. When I think of, you know, Trump and Biden, Trump has done some good things. Things, Yeah, I voted for him.
- [54:15]
Alex Stein
I voted for Trump. I supported him for every time he's ran for president.
- [54:19]
Joel Webbin
So Trump has done a lot of good things. Overturning Roe versus Wade, you know, by appointing the Supreme Court justices. Trump has done some good things. But I don't think that he believes in Jesus. I just, I don't think he does. Whereas Biden has had some of the right rhetoric. You know, he's a practicing Catholic and goes to mass every Sunday, those kinds of, of things. But in terms of what he's done, he's done things again and again that are absolutely wicked. I mean, Biden is one of the most pro abortion presidents, which doesn't make sense.
- [54:51]
Alex Stein
But couldn't he repent, though? Couldn't he? I mean, he could repent.
- [54:54]
Joel Webbin
He could repent, absolutely. But that's. See, part of the problem is the church, whether you're Protestant or cath. The Catholic Church should have excommunicated Joe Biden. But here's the reality. I have a lot of Catholic friends and a lot of Catholics watch the show, and I'm grateful for my Catholic friends and a lot of the good that they do and the things that we share in common. But although it's true, Protestants have fractured into a million different denominations. But on the Catholic side, one of the reasons young men are turning to Catholicism is because it feels traditional, it feels old. Tried true. Those kinds of things. They want something that's rooted, that's historic work. But another reason that based right wing young men are turning to Catholicism is because they instinctively know that Catholics will never actually practice church discipline, like, ever. So you can be a sitting president pushing for the murder of babies in the mother's womb, and you can show up to a Catholic church and receive the Eucharist. So I just feel like I think Protestants are a joke, but I gotta be honest and say Catholics are a joke, too.
- [56:02]
Alex Stein
Well, we only got. The show's almost over. We gotta sit. And I am going on your show very soon where we can even dive deeper into these topics. But last question I did want to ask and I wrote it here and I forgot to ask you you talked about Protestants. You talked about Catholics. You know, I would argue that some of the most successful people that I know come from a very odd religion, Mormons. But, you know, they're oftentimes they go on the mission trip, they're usually dialed in. They're very smart. So I would just say if you just look at the religion, it creates good human beings.
- [56:31]
Joel Webbin
Yeah. So Mormonism is a Christian heresy. There are. Are Mormons are some of the sweetest people, you know, to walk planet Earth.
- [56:38]
Alex Stein
They don't drink. You know, they're pretty good people.
- [56:40]
Joel Webbin
Like, for me, like, I would rather have Mormon neighbors.
- [56:43]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [56:43]
Joel Webbin
If I'm picking a neighborhood, I would rather live with Mormons than I would Catholic Haitians.
- [56:50]
Alex Stein
Yeah, no doubt. And they would be sacrificing chickens.
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Joel Webbin
I think my pets would be safer, all those kinds of things. So, yes. That said, I know this is not popular, but you look at Mormonism, I don't think, when we were looking at causalities, I don't think it's because of the doctrines of Mormonism that has produced this high trust society. Look at Mormonism and let's take the religion aside, the doctrines, theology, and look at just the demographics. Mormonism is all white people. It's white people. It's white people.
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Alex Stein
Wow. Joel Webbins said it best. Well, Joel, thank you so much for joining us. And I will be going on your show very, very soon. We talked about a lot and if you were offended, I'm sorry, guys, go complain to Joel on Twitter. So where can they find you so they can go complain if they got triggered?
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Joel Webbin
All my complaints can be sent to Wesley Todd. No, you can follow me at Joel Webbin on X. That's the handle at Joel Webbin. And you won't just get my spicy tweets and cultural commentary and all that kind of stuff. But we actually broadcast. We do our show three times a week on Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 12pm Eastern, Eastern. And we broadcast simultaneously live on both X and rumble and YouTube. So rumble and YouTube. You can subscribe, just search NXR Studios. But on X, the handle is actual weapon.
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Alex Stein
And. And I didn't say this earlier, but the reason why I like you so much, Joel, too, is you make Christianity cool, because Christianity is a cool thing, but we've kind of just made it nerdy and not cool where people, I guess, aren't as interested in it.
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Joel Webbin
We've made it feminine.
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Alex Stein
We've made it a little feminine too. That's what I'm saying. So you. You really kind of break it down in a very interesting way. Some topics that oftentimes wasn't always the coolest topic to talk about, but hearing it from you, where you just don't pull any punches, it makes it cool. So I appreciate you.
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Joel Webbin
You know, God, I'm an idiot, but God is very merciful and gracious.
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Amen to that. All right, guys, thank you for watching. Now, if you guys want to support Rab, make sure to check out our latest song, real America's Voice. We're getting into the music business, so we're not, you know, spreading these demonic songs that are talking about WAP and you know what that means. Well, if you're a boomer, you don't, but it's about something gross. So we got the newest song. It's called Ammunition from Rachel Holt. Check it out. Scan the QR code and download it wherever you get your music. See you guys tomorrow night.
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