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Alex Stein
Foreign. Thank you guys for being here this evening. You're watching AFTER HOURS with Alex Stein on Real America's Voice. And we got a great episode for you this Wednesday evening. We have NFL legend Jamal Lewis joining us after receiving his presidential pardon from the one, the only Donald J. Trump. Very deservedly so. If you actually look into his court case, apparently he made a phone call and they tried to say that he set up some big drug deal, but he never even touched the drugs. And apparently he wasn't even on the phone call that they used against him in court. It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm so happy that we have a great president and Donald Trump to actually fix the situation because a guy like this Jamal Lewis does not deserve to live in constant fear. Can't own a gun, can't vote. It's all ridiculous. And now all of that has gone away because of our great president Donald Trump. But before we get into Donald Trump, I have to talk about somebody that's very near and dear to my heart, my biological stepfather, Tucker Carlson. Tucker was just recently detained at Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel, during his interview with Mike Huckabee. Now, some people are saying that this is Tucker over exaggerating and some people are very mad. Now I'm on the side of very mad. I texted Tucker. He said everything is copacetic, everything is cool, but that the situation was very tense. Now, if Israel is trying to do a strategic propaganda campaign to gain more support, I would tell them. And I know they're listening because they watch everything I do. They probably record my phone calls, but whatever. My point is they record all of our phone calls. But I don't want to get into that. But this is my point. If you're having a propaganda campaign where you want people that are moderate or don't even have an opinion on what's going on in the Israel, Palestine conflict, don't detain journalists for going to Tel Aviv and doing journalism. That only makes it scarier for me when I decide if I want to go there or not, because I'm going to think about what happened to my biological stepfather. And I don't want to get to Tel Aviv, Israel. I'm about to go have a nice falafel and I'm going to go enjoy the beach. And then next thing you know, I got the IDF putting a gun in my face telling me to get in a small room. So they can interrogate me and do God knows what. I mean, they might think that I have something up my keister and they might do a cavity search, and. And I don't want that. And I do have it on good authority that they did give Tucker a cavity search, and they did not find anything. Tucker said it was actually much more pleasant than he expected. But that's ridiculous. You're going to send Tucker Carlson there to go do a very huge interview with Mike Huckabee, who is the liaison for America with Israel, a guy that supports the country wholeheartedly. And you have a guy like Tucker who is not even anti Israel. Yes, he has critiqued some of Israel's government's decisions, just like he critiqued some of America's government's decisions. That doesn't make him anti Semitic. But that is a label that they constantly put on Tucker because it's able to demonize somebody and exclude them from the conversation than having a public debate about it. And that's why I'm so happy to watch the interview that he conducted with Mike Huckabee. So we can actually get some inside baseball on Mike Huckabee's perspective, in Tucker's perspective, because Tucker is not a hateful guy. He's a guy that calls balls and strikes like an umpire at a baseball game. So if you are the military or government in Israel and Alex Stein comes there on a flight, I don't want to get detained like my biological stepfather. Now, if there's some hot IDF soldier that wants to give me a cavity search, I'm okay with that. As long as she's hot. I mean, if she's a 9, it's fine. If she's an 8, I'll allow it. If she's a 7, she better get that glove the hell out of my keister, okay? Because it's hot chicks, only hot Israeli chicks. And there are some hot Israeli chicks. You can look them up online, believe it or not. So Israel, we got to do better. We got to protect Tucker Carlson. He's an American icon. He's an American legend. And I'm happy that it all ended up working out and that he's totally fine and safe. But there are a lot of reasons for him to be worried about his safety in a country where people are constantly spreading misinformation about him and his opinions about that particular country. So let's just do a little better. Nobody's perfect. We're not gonna hold you to some unrealistic standard, but when journalists come to your country roll out the red carpet instead of rolling out the AK47s. That's all I'm saying. Israel, because this is why people like Mayor Mamdani is winning the mayor race in New York. Because the propaganda campaign that Israel is currently running is not working. So we got to change the way that we prop up our foreign countries like Israel. And you guys have to do better when it comes to indoctrinating the people that you want to get support from. So I get it. You guys are in an eight front war. Things are tough. I totally understand. But at the same exact time, it only makes you look bad when you do things like detaining Tucker Carlson at the airport for a nothing burger. You guys know Tucker's not a criminal. You guys know he's not a terrorist, so don't treat him like one. And don't potentially treat me like a terrorist if I'm contemplating and making a decision to travel there. Because after hearing this, trust me, they've been trying to send me to Israel for years, and I've debated on going, but now I'm really having a lot of reservations when it comes to making that decision if I'm actually going to get on the plane and go there, because I don't want to end up in an Israeli Gulag and, you know, end up getting a cavity search from a guy, because that's gay. And luckily, I'm not gay. All right. But you know what is gay? The city of New York. That's right. And if you're a rich man in New York, it looks like Mamdani's coming for your checkbook. Now let's play this clip of Mamdani saying he's going to go into the reserves in order to fund the city's programs that he wants to implement.
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Alex Stein
To balance its budget. We will do so. If we cannot pursue the first path, the only option we have remaining is the second path. At the heart of this path is a property tax increase.
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Jamal Lewis
This would effectively be a tax on.
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Alex Stein
Working and middle class New Yorkers who have a median income of $122,000. The second path also requires us to raid our reserves. It would mean withdrawing $980 million from our city's rainy day fund in fiscal year 2026 and $229 million from the retiree health benefit trust in fiscal year 2027. These are steps that have been taken before, but only in moments of extraordinary external crisis. So if you make over $120,000 a year, in New York City, the government is now entitled to take over half of your income because of Mamdani's weird lib tarted policies that he wants to implement. So it looks like Sharia law is more expensive than we thought. So in a way, I do blame Israel for pushing people so far away that they're now supporting a guy, to me, that actually looks and acts like a terrorist because taxation is theft. And it seems like he's stealing from the middle class, a class that is shrinking more and more rapidly every single day. So he is going after the most vulnerable people in our country, the middle class, when they shouldn't be responsible for free grocery stores for homeless people, free heroin needles for drug addicts, and a subway system that hardly works. Or if you are in the subway system, there's a likelihood somebody's going to set you on fire and they're not even going to catch the person that did it. So. And that's real, that actually happened. The person that got lit on fire, they never caught him. So maybe if this money was going to the NYPD to make the city more safe, I'd understand. But instead you're going to use this money to subsidize halal meals in the city. You're ridiculous, Mom. Donnie. And you deserve to already be impeached. But I hope not, because I think you're going to give us a lot of content over the next couple years. All right, guys, coming up next, we got NFL legend Jamal Lewis to talk about his pardon that he just received from our president Donald Trump. You don't want to miss it. Things are about to get a little spicy with some of the questions I ask him. Foreign.
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Up to 70% less. Shop from rebel.com and save big foreign. Guys. Welcome back to After Hours with Alex Stein. Now, our next Guest is an NFL legend. He was only the fifth player to ever rush for 2,000 yards. He played with Peyton Manning at the University of Tennessee. He was the youngest person to ever score a touchdown in the Super Bowl. He's also a Super bowl champion and one of the few players to actually dominate and not wear gloves. So he is a absolute badass. Let's welcome on the one, the only, Jamal Lewis. Jamal, how are you doing, my friend? Welcome to After Hours. Hey, I'm good.
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Jamal Lewis
I'm good. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
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Alex Stein
Well, Jamal, you're making waves because you were just recently pardoned by Donald Trump, which I loved. Also, Nate Newton received a pardon. But I had to ask Nate Newton was getting a little kickback in the Dallas community from people saying, oh, you shouldn't have taken the pardon, Which I think that sounds ludicrous. Of course you got to take the pardon. But my point is, have you gotten any similar kickback for getting the pardon or has it been all positive reaction?
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Jamal Lewis
It's been all positive. All positive from. From the people here in the community in Atlanta and my friends and family and everybody. Everybody's happy. It's about time. And it's been a long time coming.
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Alex Stein
Well, to be fair, and we don't have to get into the details. But they tried to arrest you for a phone call. You know, they didn't even arrest you for drugs. They tried to arrest you for a phone call. So I think it's even ludicrous that they did that. Now, this is a conspiracy question. You were one of the best players in the league at the time. Do you think that there was any sort of, were they doing this to try to send a message? Do you think you were targeted, Jamal?
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Jamal Lewis
I knew I was targeted, but at the same time I was charged with a phone call. And little do everybody know that the phone call I wasn't on. So it was, it was supposed to be a recording. But the confidential informant that actually was sent to set me up, she said that the, the recording was on wrong. So there's a 30 minute conversation where I'm not saying anything and I'm not on the phone. So that was the actual phone call that I was actually charged with and convicted for. So I know, I know that I was, I know that I was targeted. It was pure publicity stunt. It just went for 2000 yards. Statue of limitation was just coming up and Mike Brown had just came to Atlanta and became a prosecutor and that's when they indicted me.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. You know, they try to make an example out of an athlete, especially a superstar athlete. I mean, you were the best player in the league, only the fifth player to rush for 2,000 yards. Now when you talk about your success that you had winning a Super bowl as a rookie, playing with Ray Lewis on that team, you know, Coach Billick, who's a legendary coach, can you tell us, how are you able to have so much success at such an early stage of your career?
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Jamal Lewis
I think I came in, I came into the NFL already, played three years at Tennessee. I was groomed up. Right. It was a great program. So I was really prepped for it and ready to go. So as soon as I hit the NFL, you know, I hit the ground running and having a lot of those, those veterans around, like Ray Lewis and Shannon Sharp and Rod Woodson and Sarah Gusa, we had a good mix. You know, I think Ozzy Newsom did a great job of that art model being there. He was a great owner, great, great, great guy, great leader. So I think a lot of that was instilled in me from, from a young age as a 20 year old coming into the NFL.
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Alex Stein
Well, you know, Ray Lewis was famous for his huge pep talks. But what kind of pep talks did he give you off the Field, you know, not when the cameras were rolling. Was he the same guy or was he a little more laid back? Because Ray Lewis, to me, is the greatest linebacker to ever play football.
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Jamal Lewis
Oh, yeah, he's the same guy. Same guy off the field. He is on the field, very passionate, really, about anything that comes out his mouth, anything he says. But he's just a great leader and somebody that, you know, you can follow. He lead by example, and also, you know, he knows how to motivate and get the crowd going and motivate his players and his team. So me and him was like. He was like my big brother. As soon as I came to the NFL, we. We hung out pretty much every day, spent a lot of time with him. You know, he went through a situation or whatever, so it was good to be around him, know him as for.
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Alex Stein
Who he really is and did Ray Lewis. What's the hardest hit. Welcome to the NFL moment that. That you remember.
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Jamal Lewis
I can remember going into training camp and I think we had our first live practice. And I just remember fourth and one on the goal line. Not fourth and one, but on the goal line. We had three tries, four tries to get into the end zone. And every time I would get the ball, they kept calling the same play. But I just remember every time that I got the ball, he was right there, and it was 52. And I just, you know, I asked the guys, you know, I said, who got 52? And they said, well, that's Ray Lewis. You know, nobody got him, so he's. That. That was my welcome to the NFL moment, that Ray Lewis was the truth. And this is what I got to look forward to for my. The rest of my career.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, well, luckily you didn't have to play against him. You just had to practice against him. Well, I guess you did when you were at Cleveland, so you ended up playing against him. But my point is, I wouldn't want to be my welcome to the NFL moment. Getting hit by Ray Lewis in the first preseason game or regular season not be a lot of fun. Now, Ray, what do you. I mean, excuse me, Jamal, what do you think about all of these players now? They're so soft. I mean, the NFL has totally changed, and I still respect the game. I love the game. But you were part of the old school football. You're a guy that ran like a 4, 340, but you were £240 almost, or £230. Now the game has changed a lot. Are we going to see the same type of Jamal Lewis's and the Adrian Petersons that, that we saw back in your era, or is it going to go all passing? What do you think is the biggest change in the game today?
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Jamal Lewis
No, I think the biggest change in the game is the media. You know, the media changed game, social media has changed the game, you know, just all the way down to the high school level. It's just totally different. They're raising them different. I think the concussion issues and the safety part of the game, you know, kind of took away that, that macho man, you know, that type of player, that caliber player. The physicalness in the game, I think it took it away. But I think Roger Goodell, he's done a good job in, you know, just forming the league and getting a lot of those, the media attention and just changing it up. You know, I think that a lot of players now, they're not really, you know, they're not trying to go out there and just be dominant. They want to, you know, they want to really make a splash for social media and for, you know, to get follows and, and to get more followers. And they worry about what saying about them versus when we played, we didn't, we really didn't give a. We didn't get, we didn't care. We just wanted to, we just wanted to go out there and just, you know, dominate and be great. But I think the nature of, has changed a lot due to, due to media and a lot of passing has really opened it up. They made it a little softer so that people can score more touchdowns and make more highlights. And that's just the nature of the game today.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, it is a business. But I want to go back to your game. It's the second week of the season. You break the all time single game rushing record, 295 yards. It's an incredible performance, one of the best that has ever happened in the NFL. And then a few years later, Adrian Peterson gets 296 yards, which seems kind of fishy to me. Who had a better game? I think if you just watch the highlights in, in his game, it was good. But it seems like they were trying to break your record. Do you feel like you were attacked by them? You know, trying to ruin your great record? Because that seems like it's almost unbreakable, almost 300 yards in a football game. What is your opinion of Adrian Peterson breaking your single game record?
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Jamal Lewis
I must say, after that, after we got off the field from playing, I forgot who the reporter was. But she came up to me and said, how do you feel about Adrian Peterson breaking Your record. And I was like, I just got off the field. I didn't know that he broke my record. And he said, yeah, he broke about one yard. And I was like, well, you know what? Agent Peterson is a great back, and he's going to do great things. So if anybody was to break my record, you know, I would love for it to be him. And he got it.
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Alex Stein
Well, well, you know, this is my problem, too, Jamal, is that running backs are not valued enough in the NFL. And, you know, now teams don't even want to pay the running back. But you look at a guy like Sean Alexander, he had over 100 touchdowns. I think he's the only NFL running back that has 100 touchdowns that's not in the hall of Fame. I think I look at your career, you know, maybe if. If you don't factor in the offseason, the offseason issues, not that they're that big a deal now. They're gone with the pardon. I think that you should be considered a Hall of Fame back. So do you think that they hold running backs to a higher standard when it comes to the hall of Fame?
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Jamal Lewis
Yeah, I think. I think they do. But I think, you know, in my era, you had a lot of great running backs like Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon, you know, Sean Alexander, like you mentioned, you know, you had a lot of great running backs that just really, you know, it was. To even get to the Pro bowl, it was just hard because you had so much competition. But I do think that nowadays they do hold running backs to a higher standard, and it's very hard to kind of break that channel and get into the. Get into the hall of Fame. But even, just like you said, the money. The money is, you know, you need a running back, you need a running game. But just like anything else, running game don't sell tickets. You know, throwing the ball to the receivers, the quarterbacks, that's what sell tickets. So that's where they're going to put, you know, most of the money at. And. And it shows. So, you know, but you need the running game. The running game is very. Is. Is very crucial for an offense and. And to keep those chains moving. And I think that these guys, the last two years, they have really shown Derek Henry, Saquon Barkley, they have really shown that, you know, you really need to run it. Running game. And it can be exciting. I try to make it exciting every time, but you got to hit the home runs. You got to hit the home runs.
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Alex Stein
And you did hit a lot of home runs. But A lot of people, since I am conservative, they accuse me of being anti lgbtq, and I tell them that's impossible because I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. So obviously I have gay pride for an extra 17 weeks of the year. So I got to ask you. The Dallas Cowboys hadn't been to a Super bowl, much less an NFC championship game, in 30 years. I'm actually a big Dak Prescott fan. I think he's a good player. I don't. I don't think he deserves a lot of the hate that he gets because he was great at Mississippi State, he's been great with the Cowboys. Do you foresee the Cowboys ever having success with Jerry Jones as the owner? Because I know he's an icon, but I'm just. I've lost hope in the Dallas Cowboys. So what is your professional opinion on the Dallas Cowboys? Can they be saved and ever get back to championship levels, in your opinion?
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Jamal Lewis
I think they can, but I just. Just like you said, man, I think Jerry Jones is really in the way. I think he's in the way. Making all the calls, calling all the shots, you know, has a lot to do with everything that's going on there. And I've never played for an owner like that, especially with Steve Bashani and Art Model. They let the organization handle everything and make all the right moves and they stay out of the way. But at the same time, I just don't see the Dallas Cowboys taking it, taking it the distance. Even though they got great players. They bring in great players every year. But at the same time, I just think the decision making at the top in the organization really hurts it.
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Alex Stein
Jamal, I hate to say it, but I think you're 100% correct. Well, guys, do not go anywhere. Coming up after the break, we're going to ask Jamal, is the NFL scripted? I know you want to hear his answers, so don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.
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Alex Stein
Thank you guys so much for watching After Hours with Alex Stein. We have an incredible guest, an NFL legend. He was a national champion. He was also a Super bowl champion. One of the youngest, the youngest, not one of the youngest player to ever score a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Let's welcome back Jamal Lewis. Now, Jamal, I have to preface this. I am a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. I think 911 was an inside job. I think the moon landing's fake. So you have to kind of understand the perspective that I'm coming from. But if we have a multi billion dollar league where it actually matters who wins these games, then you have the influence of Las Vegas. I'm not saying that there's an actual written script that you guys have to follow that seems just insane, but I do think that they can call a referee and tell him to make a judgment call and influence the outcome of a football game. So in your opinion. Not my crazy conspiracy opinion. Is the NFL rigged? Jamal?
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Jamal Lewis
No way. No way. Okay, I, I've heard that and I've seen all of the, the, you know, just the media, you know, talking about that and people talking about that. But that is just, you know, that's a myth, that's a theory. But it can't be. You know, it's, I just know how we prepare, you know, how we go into preparation for a game just as a 53 man roster, coaches, organization and all the work that we put in out there and you know, just trying to count those wins and losses. It's just honestly, I think it's very hard to script this when, hey, look, you know, you got guys out there that's trying to make, trying to make their incentives. You have guys out there that's trying to be great, that's trying to be the best you have. You know, these veterans out there trying to, you know, they're trying to extend their career and, and, and make more money as well. It's very hard to convince, you know, 53 guys, you know, in order to go out there and, and do something wrong. Now the refs and everything else, I don't, I don't think that they're in it either. But I can tell you with the, the betting in the game now and the fan duels and draft kings and all that in the game now, it is some, it can be some stuff in the game. You know what I mean?
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Alex Stein
Yeah. Point shaving. There's been basketball, NBA players that they've been banned from the league for, you know, doing some funny daily prop bet situations. And I mean, you're a player, you guys are legally allowed to go to Vegas and gamble. So it's easy to kind of go to the sportsbook and see, oh, you know, we're going to win 10 games this year, we're going to win 11 games this year. You know, it does play a factor in sports, whether you want to admit it or not. But I appreciate you being honest and I like your perspective. Now I want to go back to your career. You played with some of the greats. Now, Jonathan Ogden, I mean, Ed Reed, who in your opinion was the best team, and Peyton Manning, I got to mention, who was the player that you said, this is the best football player I've ever played football with.
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Jamal Lewis
Best football player, man, I gotta go to Peyton Manning, man. Like, it's between Peyton and Ray Lewis. Like, you got two of the best that's on either side of the football. But Peyton was just one of those guys where I remember Coach Cutcliffe coming up to me in practice one day and he just told me, he said, you can't play for me. And I was like, why? You know, he said, because you're not a practice player. And he told me, he said, come out here tomorrow and I want you to watch number 16 practice. And I promise you, every single snap. It was like we were in a game and, you know, he critiqued everything. Everything was on point. If there was an issue with a play or whatever, he fixed it right there. And then when you got in the games, it was just efficiency and he's just all business. And this was when he was in college, so when he got to the pros, it was just, you know, more dominance. And he's just a student of the game, man. And just he, he got in his blood from his dad, you know, his brother played, you know, Eli. So he's, I would say, hands down, he's probably the, the best that I've ever, I've ever played with.
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Alex Stein
Well, when you were in high school, you had a Plethora of options. You could basically play anywhere in the country, and Tennessee wasn't on your radar. And I saw a great clip of you talking about how you chose Tennessee. So can you explain that? How did you choose Tennessee as your college choice when you could have played at any college in the United States of America?
- [30:37]
Jamal Lewis
So Nebraska was my choice. That's where I wanted to go. I was a big time Osborne fan. I was a big Lars Phillips fan, and I knew they was going to run the ball. But when I went to Tennessee, which my coach just asked me, he said, hey, you know, you got one more visit that you need to take. Why don't you just go up to Tennessee? You can drive up there. It's in Knoxville. So I said, cool, let's do it. So when I went up there, Peyton was there. And I remember my dad asked Peyton a question when we was out to dinner, and he said, hey, you know, are you going to stay, you know, for your last year? And he said, I'm announcing it tomorrow. Yes, I am. And my dad looked at me and he said, you're coming here? And I think it was the best decision I ever made, just because it was a business decision. You know, you got somebody like Peyton there. You got a defense. Like, they had the offensive line. Coach Foreman was an offensive line coach as well, so he took pride in the offensive line. He really wanted to run the ball. Jay Graham was the running back there, the starting running back. He had just got drafted by the Ravens, so they really didn't have a starting guy. And I was going to get an opportunity. Coach Fullman told my parents, told myself, hey, look, you're going to get an opportunity to compete for, to play your freshman year. And that's all I needed was a shot. And he gave it to me. And it was the truth. And I could say it was the. The best decision that I made. And they had nice facilities, and it was just a clean place, and they just cutting edge on everything that they. That they did and had around the campus. So I felt I made a great choice. And the rest is history, I think.
- [32:19]
Alex Stein
So. I mean, you ended up getting picked in the first round, fifth overall pick, I believe, by the Baltimore Ravens. I mean, obviously you had an incredibly successful college career when they take you number five. Now, a lot of times they don't draft running backs that high unless you are a phenomenal running back like yourself. So do you think that's unfair? Do you think that they need to go back to drafting running backs early in the draft? Because they only take about one guy, you know, the top guy. And it's always the guy in the third round or fourth round that ends up being the Pro bowl running back. It seems like.
- [32:47]
Jamal Lewis
Well, I think the college game kind of messed with that because in college it's a lot of passing, it's a lot of this side to side stuff, screens and all this type of stuff. So, you know, they feel like they can get that three or four yards out of a screen, you know, or whatever. So I, I just really feel that there's no real featured backs. You know, all the running backs in college, they all look the same. You don't have a 240 pound guy running a four, three, able to take the ball 25, 30 times a game and also be durable. And I think that's what really hurt us is guys not staying healthy, guys not taking care of their body being a running back. You know, when I trained in off season, I broke my body down, all the way down, and I built it all the way back up and was ready to go in the season and be able to take on a 16 game season and take on 25 carries a game if I needed it. A lot of these guys, they, they, they couldn't take the ball 25 times a game. They couldn't be a featured back. But the Saquons, the Derrick Henrys, you know, those guys, they're built for it, they're built like it, but that's why they go. But running back by committee now because, you know, you got to split those carries up because you got to get 30 carries out of two guys versus one now. So I think that's the biggest difference.
- [34:07]
Alex Stein
Well, Jamal, we've talked a lot about Ray Lewis because he is an icon and he was famous for his trash talk and his intimidation ability. Who was the biggest trash talker and were you a big trash talker talker?
- [34:18]
Jamal Lewis
I wasn't a big trash talker. I, I kept my mouth shut because I had 11 guys on the other side of the ball that was coming after me, right? But I think, you know, just playing the game, playing against the Steelers twice a year. Joey Porter, he was the biggest trash talk. He talked the whole game. He didn't care what he said or whatever. You know, I just remember, you know, being that I did go to prison and all this happened, they didn't hold back, I can tell you that. You know, so, so in between plays, it was, it was a lot of talk and I just, I just know Porter, he, he was the, he was the worst. And I think he was probably the biggest trash talker. Didn't care what he said.
- [35:01]
Alex Stein
Did it ever get in your head though? Did it affect you at all? Did you ever say, man, that, you know, that kind of messing with my ego a little bit or did you just brush it off?
- [35:09]
Jamal Lewis
Nah, I just brushed it off. It just, you know, it was, it was taught, you know, I think the biggest thing around that time was the fans, you know, going into an opposing stadium and just the things that the fans were saying, you know, it was funny, but at the same time it just, it just egged me on and got me, got me ready to go and got me ready to go out there and hurt somebody.
- [35:31]
Alex Stein
And you hurt a lot of people and you broke a lot of records and it was just incredible to watch your career. Now when I think about, you know, pro sports and the position that you're in, I'll be honest, I don't really love when athletes are constantly political. Like Michael Jordan has a famous quote saying, the reason that I wasn't political is because Republicans buy tennis shoes too. So what do you think about these modern day athletes that act like they're, you know, big political pundits? I kind of use LeBron James as an example, one of the best athletes of all time, but he kind of always wants to insert himself. He kind of gotten some backlash for saying he didn't know about Israel. Then he had to walk that back. So my point is it's always a losing situation, it seems like when athletes in politics get mixed together. So what's your opinion on athletes having outspoken political views? Maybe like Colin Kaepernick for one. I think that hurt his career. He was a good player and, you know, even if his cause was just which I don't think it was unjust, you know, it puts a target on your back. So what do you think about politics and athletes?
- [36:28]
Jamal Lewis
I just always say, you know, between religion and politics, I stay away from it because, you know, everybody, everybody pretty much have their own opinion about, you know, either. And there's always differences. So I pretty much just stay away from it and just keep my opinions to myself because no matter what I think, no matter what I say, there's always somebody on the other end that's going to agree to disagree or they're just going to disagree. So it's, you know, I, I think there's no right and there's no wrong. So it's really, hey, you know, it's just what you believe in and, and you just sticking Strong to what you believe in and holding. Holding strong to your belief. I think that's. That's pretty much it.
- [37:17]
Alex Stein
Well, you know, I appreciate that. I think that's very candid answer. But now I want you to be really candid. Were the women at Tennessee easier to get with or the women in Baltimore? Be honest, what was it? Where did you have the most success?
- [37:30]
Jamal Lewis
I think Tennessee was like a stockpile.
- [37:34]
Alex Stein
Can you just, can you elaborate, please? Why? They were just a little easier because Baltimore, the women want you for your money, this and that. In college, they liked you just because you were the best player on the team.
- [37:45]
Jamal Lewis
Baltimore was a little bit different. You know what I mean? I was a little older. I should say I was a little older. I was a little bit smarter. I had way more money than I had at Tennessee. At Tennessee, I didn't have no money. So, you know, it was just. It was just me and just running football and wearing that orange and wearing the block tee on my back. But, you know, college, I can't say it was just the best time of my life. And there's some nice, you know, some hot women at the University of Tennessee. I must say.
- [38:17]
Alex Stein
I bet they loved you at all the sorority houses. I would imagine that they all loved you. So before you go, okay, can you tell us. We did talk about the pardon a little bit, but how did it even come up? How did you get the pardon? Who connected you with it? I know that there was a guy that kind of facilitated it. So you can tell us, how did it happen? Did you have any idea?
- [38:33]
Jamal Lewis
No, nobody facilitated it on my end. Nobody facilitated. I've been trying to get a pardon since 2011 when I retired. I had been trying and I've met with different administrations. Everybody wanted money, donate money here, donate money there. And I was like, I'm not doing that because my case is straight bogus. So I wasn't doing that. And honestly, like I said, I just gave up. You know, I was like, hey, you know what it be will be. I'm just live my life, you know, to the fullest. And I just got a call Thursday night from Alice Johnson, and she just said, hey, I just, you know, I'm Alice Johnson, and I just want you to know I just met with the president and he just granted you a full pardon. And I thought it was a joke, honestly. But she said, I've been advocating for you for a while and we finally got it done and it was just really God sent. That's all. I can say that it was Because I was not expecting it. I haven't put in an application. I haven't done any of that stuff, and it just happened.
- [39:40]
Alex Stein
Well, it's just awesome. A guy that had so much success on the football field, now you can hold your head up high and realize that you got no record, you're fresh and clean, and any attacks on you are just stupid at this point. So before you go, though, I want to ask you this question. People accuse Donald Trump of being racist, and Donald Trump's not perfect. I'm not perfect. You're not perfect. I think they try to hold Donald Trump to an unrealistic standard. But would you say that Donald Trump is racist or not racist in your personal experience with the man?
- [40:10]
Jamal Lewis
I don't. I don't. I've never thought that he was racist. I never thought he's racist. He's just. He's a politician, you know, and I know politicians, and politicians are politicians. You know, they go with their base, and they go with, you know, where the numbers are. And I think they want to appease their base. So I think that's what he. That's what he does. He's just a smart businessman, and he's now a politician. So. But at the same time, hey, he put pen to paper for me. He listened to Ms. Alice Johnson and actually, you know, took account of what my case was and. And. And did me. Right.
- [40:52]
Alex Stein
Well, listen, we love Donald Trump, and God bless America and God bless you. And actually, I keep on saying it's the last question. So this is the last question, in your opinion, with this society. You got the boys saying that they're a girl. Are you against biological men competing against women in women's sports?
- [41:08]
Jamal Lewis
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. I don't think that that's. I just don't think that that's. That's right. Especially if you. You know, if. If you have the build of a man and, you know, the genetics of a man and you're going up against women. I just. I don't think that's right. You know, and maybe they should have their own category and just go in. In that route. But at the same time, it's just. It's not right, you know, for. For, I think, men to compete with women. That's not. That's not cool.
- [41:42]
Alex Stein
Well, to be honest, though, I. I like it, Jamal, because I can gamble on the transgenders and win money. So I actually want more transgenders in women's sports because they give me a gambling edge. Well, Jamal, how can people find you and Support you now that you are fully pardoned. You're the newest, hottest man on the block. I mean, I just love this for you, and I love this for our country, but how can people support you, Jamal?
- [42:03]
Jamal Lewis
I'm @Jamal31Lewis on Instagram. I'm Jamal31Lewis on X. And hey, that's just me. That's it. That's where you can find me. I'm just down in Atlanta making it happen and just trying to get my son right so he can play football and carry on his dreams. So that's. That's it. But at Jamal31 Lewis on Instagram and Twitter.
- [42:29]
Alex Stein
Well, now, I had to give you a little static, though, you know, in the black community, the fact that his dad was one of the greatest running backs ever. You got to be a little easy on your son. That's a lot of pressure. You know what I mean? You know, nobody's going to rush for 2,000 yards in the season. Like, that has to be a little tough when your dad's Jamal Lewis, one of the biggest powerbacks to ever play the game. Are you ever worried about you're putting a little undue pressure on him?
- [42:53]
Jamal Lewis
So he came to me and said that he wanted to do this and that he wanted me to help him, you know, accomplish his dreams and what he wanted to do. So basically, that means hard work and doing whatever I roll out for you. I give you all the resources. I'm gonna put you with all the right people, but you got to work hard and get after it. So I'm not going to let him slack because he. He wanted my help, and that's my help.
- [43:19]
Alex Stein
Well, God bless you, Jamal. You keep up the good work. A good father, great player, and now he's got no criminal record. So all the hate that they gave him in the past, you guys can just erase that. Thank you, Jamal. Really appreciate you making time and joining the program.
- [43:31]
Jamal Lewis
Hey, thank you, Alex. Appreciate it.
- [43:33]
Alex Stein
Talk to you again soon. All right, guys. What a freaking legend. I love that guy. And he got what he deserved, a full pardon because it was a BS bogus deal anyway for making a phone call, trying to set up some people. It was just absolutely ludicrous when it happened, and now he got the system and situation totally fixed. What a lovely Wednesday night. And such a special thanks to the one, the only, Jamal Lewis for joining us. He is an NFL legend, and it is an honor to get to talk to a guy that went out there and laid his life on the line every single game. So really appreciate You Jamal joining us? But we got to talk about another athlete, one that is not a professional athlete that got beat up by two professional athletes, or I think one technically professional athlete and one professional bodybuilder. So Dean the great is a YouTube boxer that does influencing boxing, influencer boxing. And I was actually on a boxing match with him for misfits, but I got kicked off for throwing turkey dogs on my Muslim opponent. I didn't throw pork dogs, but they tried to label me as doing that. I didn't want to seem that insensitive. But Dean was acting at this boxing match like he was the coolest guy in the world. I'd never even heard of Dean the Great. I was like, who is Dean? Is Dean the Nobody is what we should have called him, but apparently he does have a big social media following. I don't watch his clips. I have no idea what kind of content he creates. But over the weekend, he created some of the best content I've ever seen in my life, where he was recently assaulted. But not one huge Jack guy, but two huge Jack guys. So let's play the clip of him interacting with bodybuilder Larry Wheeler's wife or girlfriend. I'm not even quite sure. It's kind of ambiguous. But his lady, to say the least. And he starts talking a little fresh, and Larry puts him in check.
- [45:42]
Jamal Lewis
The king like that. You know why she a queen, though. We got you. I know we liquor. I know we streaming his wife up for grass.
- [45:54]
Alex Stein
Hey, he's been.
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Jamal Lewis
He's been mad with your hands. Listen, you guys want to get.
- [46:02]
Alex Stein
Oh, now that's a slap heard round the Internet. I loved it. You talk to a man's wife like that, you deserve to get slapped. And I'm happy that he didn't press charges. It just proves that he's not a total baby back biatch. But at the same exact time, I don't think he learned his lesson because shortly later on that evening, he gets knocked out by UFC legend Tiki Gosin in this video that we're playing right here. This is kind of actually hard to watch because bam. I mean, he clocks him right in the jaw and he goes to sleep. So Dean the Great is lucky to be Dean the Alive. I mean, it doesn't seem like he's going to make it much longer going around and talking to these. These combat athletes like this. And on top of that, he had a UFC hall of Famer rampage Jackson right there in his ear telling him to shut up. So could you imagine a trifecta of Tiki Gosin bodybuilder Larry Wheeler. And then on top of that, getting hit by Rampage Jackson. I do not think your life expectancy is going to be much longer if you continue to start static like this. All right, Dean the Great, you need to be like Dean the chill, Dean the relaxed, not Dean the Great. Because you got your ass kicked multiple times on camera in front of millions and millions of people. So maybe boxing and fighting is not the best route for you. Unless you have a humiliation fetish and you like getting hit like this. I hope that's not the case. Well, speaking of a humiliation fetish, brings us to our next victim of this humiliation ritual that a lot of celebrities are going through. Whoopi Goldberg. That's right. Whoopi Goldberg was on the Epstein Files, but not for what you think. She wasn't trying to go to the island to try to eat babies or something. She is just a cheapskate and doesn't like to fly. So she had one of her representatives reach out to Jeffrey Epstein in 2013 after he was originally convicted for being a child predator, asking if she could use his jet to go to a charity event for Julianne Lennon. I guess that's John Lennon's son or daughter. I don't know. I don't even care. But what's so funny about this interaction is that Jeffrey Epstein said no. Maybe it's cause she's like 60 years old and you know, she's out, she's out of his age market. But I think it's just because she's an annoying black woman that just won't ever shut the hell up. But let's watch this clip of her embarrassingly trying to hand wave this like it's no big deal.
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Jamal Lewis
My name is in the files. Yes. And what does it say? It says Whoopi needs a plane to get to Monaco. John Lennon's charity. It should say Julian Lennon's charity is paying for it.
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Alex Stein
Yes. So in other words, anybody can be on this.
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Jamal Lewis
Anybody's. Well, this is my point, because I'm telling you, when I tell you people are trying to turn me into. I wasn't his girlfriend, I wasn't his friend.
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Alex Stein
You were too old for him. I was not only too old, but.
- [48:57]
Jamal Lewis
It was at a time, you know, where this is just not. You used to have to have facts.
- [49:03]
Alex Stein
Before you said stuff. But. So Whoopi Goldberg was denied a free ride on the Jeffrey Epstein Lolita Express. And I think that is good. And I do want to defend Whoopi because It is possible that you could have interacted with Jeffrey Epstein, and that doesn't make you a child predator. Actually, I'd imagine that probably the most of the people that actually interacted with Jeffrey Epstein on an everyday basis or just through emails that were just kind of, you know, friends with him, probably was not on the island doing disgusting things. But if you do look at the email leaks, there's people that are sending coded words and talking very nefariously. Now, those are the people that I think we need to go after, not the ones that are asking to ride on the private jet and just trying to, you know, mooch off a rich guy. Is that a crime? No. Should she be arrested? Probably just because she's Whoopi Goldberg. But just remember that we have to look at this all with a grain of salt and realize that not every single person that Jeffrey Epstein interacted with was a pedophile. That would be insane if that was possible, and it's not. But people like Whoopi Goldberg are getting absolutely humiliated. And I'm going to be honest. I love it. I like it. I want more of it. So we need more people humiliated, especially, especially the celebrities, because we give them way too much gravitas. We treat them and put them on a pedestal that they don't deserve to be on. So seeing them get cut down a ring or two, it helps me sleep at night. And maybe that's just because I'm a sick person. But you know what? Misery loves company. Isn't that what they say? Speaking of a great company that once was 60 minutes, 60 minutes has gone downhill. Anderson Cooper is now saying that he's no longer going to be on the show. I'm sure nobody even cares. I mean, Anderson Cooper is the biggest Nepo baby in the world. His mom was Gloria Vanderbilt, who's a multi, multi millionaire. But I think it was a sibling. His brother or sister died under mysterious circumstances. So, you know, that is challenging as a young kid. Nobody should have to lose a family member. But I would like to throw my name in the hat if 60 Minutes is looking for a great host. Not that I want to leave Rav. I would not leave this show. This show is staying put. But my point is, if you guys want to do some one off bits, I think I can return 60 minutes to the greatness that it once was. And this clip that I'm about to play from 60 minutes is what I would be doing every single episode. Let's play it. They also studied the way gay and straight people talk. Hi, it's nice to meet you. Would you like to have a drink? Sounds straight to me.
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Jamal Lewis
And is straight.
- [51:26]
Alex Stein
Hi, it's nice to meet you. Do you want to go have a drink? Gay. And she was right. That guy was the gay one. And that's what we want as American citizens, as American viewers of 60 Minutes. We want to go back to exposing people of being gay or not. That is the type of TV that I want to see and that's the type of TV I'm going to give you on this show. So I know 60 Minutes is not going to hire me to go and do, you know, gaydar experiments, but, but if they did, I could restore 60 minutes back to the greatness that it once was. Sadly, it's probably not going to happen, but luckily we have a great team here at Real America's Voice, Robert and Parker sig, a great family owned organization to help me become bigger and stronger than 60 minutes ever was. So on our next episode, we are going to be exposing gay people. If you're gay, we're going to play a clip of you and we're going to have our guest and me decide. And guess what? We're not going to get it wrong because it's too easy to tell. Well, thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you to Jamal Lewis for joining us. And aoc, I miss you, babe. Call me when you get a chance because you're probably going to be vice president and I'm probably going to have to support you. So Amnesty for all big booty Latinas. I'm proud. Time, Alex Stein. Peace and have a good night. This is an Iheart podcast. Guaranteed human.