AMERICA SHINES WITH AUBERY SHINES DEMEBER 13th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: "America Shines with Aubrey Shines" – December 13, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Aubrey Shines
Guest: Susan Kokinta, Midwest Coordinator, Promethean Action
Theme: A deep-dive into Trump’s 2025 National Security Strategy, the threat of globalism and "civilizational erasure" in Europe, H1B visa reform for American workers, and the revitalization of American sovereignty and values.

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Overview of Episode

This episode zeroes in on the Trump administration’s newly released 2025 National Security Strategy, labeled by host Aubrey Shines and guest Susan Kokinta as a revolutionary break from “globalism” in U.S. foreign and economic policy. The conversation connects these policy shifts to similar sovereignty movements in Europe, critiques of supranational control (especially by the EU), and ongoing efforts to protect and elevate the American working and middle class. The second segment focuses on U.S. visa policy, primarily H1B visas, and their impact on American workers — all placed in the wider context of restoring American self-determination, productivity, and constitutional values.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to the National Security Strategy (04:30–10:50)

• Trump’s 2025 National Security Strategy is praised as revolutionary for both its content and accessibility.
• The document sharply rejects “globalism, internationalism, transnationalism,” signaling “the United States is no longer playing by the globalist rules.”
  • Notable quote — Susan Kokinta (05:30):

    “It asserts that we will no longer be drawn into conflicts on the basis of some kind of globalist or international policy, but instead we'll shape our foreign policy on what is best for the United States … predisposed to non-interventionism.”

• Emphasis throughout is placed on national sovereignty, a strong economy, and the centrality of the working and middle class to U.S. security.
• The document criticizes decades of “elite globalist foreign policy” for leading to “endless wars” and “hollowed out” national economies.

2. European Sovereignty and the ‘Clash of the Titans’ (07:07–12:37)

• Shines likens the moment to a “Paul Revere” alert, warning both Americans and Europeans about the threats posed by globalism.
• European Union policies are framed as an experiment in globalism resulting in “economic collapse, cultural dissolution, and loss of sovereignty.”
  • Notable quote — Susan Kokinta (08:30):

    “The document basically attacks what is happening in Europe with the loss of national sovereignty, unfettered immigration, cultural dissolution, economic collapse. It warns of literally civilizational erasure if these globalist policies continue.”

• Trump’s strategy is seen as supportive of nationalist, sovereignty-asserting movements in Europe (e.g., Hungary, Italy).

3. The Threat of Digital Control & Supranational Elites (14:43–20:23)

• Shines and Kokinta warn against the European Central Bank’s move toward mandatory digital control (digital currency, surveillance, restricted dissent), comparing it to China’s social credit system.
• Both speakers stress the danger of supranational institutions “representing a global financier elite” and link it to historical examples (Bank of England, British East India Company).
  • Kokinta (16:15):

    “This is what happens when you give up your sovereignty … you have some institution which is representing not the welfare of the people … but which is representing a global financier elite which wants to have that kind of control over the whole world.”

4. America’s Unique Constitutional Safeguards & Near-Miss with Digital Dictatorship (18:46–23:38)

• The American republic is praised as “divinely inspired,” allowing citizens to “be their own kings.”
• The episode argues America narrowly avoided digital authoritarianism via the Biden—or “hoped for Harris”—administration, crediting Trump and U.S. constitutional protections for averting this fate.
• Shines connects the sovereignty struggle to spiritual and apocalyptic language, referencing “one world government” and biblical prophecy.
  • Kokinta (20:23):

    “We were very close … it’s the courage of Donald Trump, the hand of God … and enough intelligent American citizens to see through all the noise … which is why we're not on the same path to civilizational erasure as the Europeans are right now.”

5. Principles Over Clickbait & Role of Promethean Action (22:40–24:24)

• Kokinta urges a return to “principles” (republic vs. empire; humans made in God's image vs. elite rule) instead of headline-driven debate.
• Kokinta (23:58):

  “We have understood this fundamental difference between the American Republican system and the British imperial system. … We're kind of like the translators for people in this new circumstance.”

• Shines frames Promethean Action as an essential translator for American values in a complex world.

6. H1B Visas and Prioritizing American Workers (25:59–33:22)

• H1B visas are explained: designed to supplement workforce needs, but often abused, especially by tech companies undermining U.S. grads.
• Shines argues for a moratorium on visas until U.S. citizens are fully employed.
• Kokinta outlines Trump-era reforms:
  • Prioritization of American workers for new jobs
  • Aggressive apprenticeship investment (1 million new apprenticeships)
  • Introduction of a $100,000 fee/tariff on H1B visas in tech, increasing cost of hiring foreign workers and incentivizing hiring of Americans.
  • 2,000+ investigations into H1B visa abuses.
  • Kokinta (32:29):

    “You want to come in and do something like this, there's $100,000 fee ... You might want to just go look at our computer science graduates because with this hundred thousand dollar fee that we've just slapped on, you might be better off hiring Americans.”

7. Tariffs, Exports, and a Return to American System Economics (36:08–40:12)

• Shines notes historic parallels, suggesting Trump wants a pre-Federal Reserve, pre-1913 “American system” powered by tariffs and domestic production.
• Kokinta elaborates:
  • Trump is reorienting U.S. economics “from a parasitical system to an actual human economy.”
  • Focus on “builders” and widespread prosperity rather than finance elite
  • Memorable quote — Kokinta (37:25):

    “Donald Trump is a builder. He likes to build things. … The essence of the American system … is that wealth comes from the human mind.”

• Critiques the profit-above-all logic of “imperial” or “globalist” models (NAFTA, central banking).
• National security strategy explicitly states “policy is pro American worker.”

8. AI, Education, & Building a Productive Future (40:12–43:13)

• Discussion pivots to AI:
  • Trump’s executive order imposes oversight, protection from abuse.
  • Shines expresses concern education must keep up (“If we’re not training the next generation to think … we’re going to lose a generation anyway.”)
• Kokinta underscores a coordinated “whole of government” approach to economic revolution, including
  • Education reform focused on reading, basic skills
  • Need to communicate and involve all citizens for continued progress—especially as 2026 midterm elections approach.
  • Kokinta (41:40):

    “Some of it you can feel immediately, some of it takes time to build the factories, train the workers … but I think people have to pay attention to this and make this the basis of what we take out to our fellow citizens as we go into 2026.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Sovereignty and the New Security Strategy

• “This is unprecedented, extraordinary and revolutionary. … This is over. … Our national security is now based on what actually affects us as a nation and how can we have a strong, robust economy, which … is actually the core of national security.”
  — Susan Kokinta (04:30–06:30)

On Europe as a 'Petri Dish' for Globalism

• “You're seeing the petri dish for globalization because the European countries that are part of the EU gave up their sovereignty, in all senses of it, when they joined.”
  — Susan Kokinta (08:35)

Aubrey’s Paul Revere Analogy

• “This is kind of like a Paul Revere moment … screaming throughout the countryside, hey, the Brits are coming. Well, the globalists are there.”
  — Aubrey Shines (10:50)

On the Threat of Digital Authoritarianism

• “Go back and read your Federalist Papers, go back and read the writings of Hamilton … They are going to force their citizenry to work under the auspices of a digital environment, everything, photos, etc. They will be able to control all of Europe … America don't think that's way over there across the pond.”
  — Aubrey Shines (14:43)

Faith as a Foundation for Freedom

• “We are all made in the image of the Creator, and we have … the responsibility to understand how the Creator has created this world and govern ourselves in accordance.”
  — Susan Kokinta (22:52)

On H1B Reform & Tech Labor

• “We are 800,000 skilled workers short right now in the United States … you don't make policy from the standpoint of sound bites … you gotta fill the gaps, but you've got the longer term situation where, without a question, Trump wants these jobs filled by Americans.”
  — Susan Kokinta (28:25–29:58)

On Shifting Economic Paradigms

• “We must rebuild an economy in which prosperity is based broadly and widely shared, not concentrated at the top or localized in certain industries or a few parts of our country.”
  — Quoting Trump’s National Security Strategy via Kokinta (38:00)

AI & Tech Change

• “People are freaked out. AI is going to get rid of jobs. … The assembly line did not get rid of jobs. It created a product where more people had access to it. So properly used technology will continue to do that.”
  — Susan Kokinta (39:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• National Security Strategy Introduction: 04:30–07:07
• European Globalism Critique: 07:07–12:37
• Paul Revere/Epiphany in Europe: 10:50–12:37
• Digital Control and EC Bank: 14:43–16:15
• American Sovereignty and the EU: 16:15–20:23
• Return to Principles & Promethean Action: 22:40–24:24
• H1B Visa Deep Dive: 25:59–33:22
• Tariffs, Exports, Pre-1913 Economics: 36:08–40:12
• AI, Education, Policy Integration: 40:12–43:13
• Episode Conclusion & America’s Global Influence: 43:13–49:49

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Final Thoughts

The episode powerfully frames the Trump administration’s new national security direction as both echoing early American values and pushing back fiercely against decades of globalized economic and political policy—both at home and abroad. At every turn, both Shines and Kokinta position sovereignty, economic self-determination, and spiritual/constitutional principles at the core of America’s renewal, warning against digital authoritarianism and unchecked elite power. H1B visa reform and a “builder”/production-driven economy complement this narrative, all culminating in a call to civic action, neighbor-to-neighbor communication, and vigilance as the country moves toward the next election cycle.

Key takeaway: To preserve America’s future and avoid the fate of what the guests describe as a “collapsing” Europe, citizens must re-engage with foundational principles, support ongoing reforms, and guard against both external and internal threats to sovereignty and prosperity.

Transcript

[Aubrey Shines]

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[Susan Kokinta]

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[Aubrey Shines]

An online video attacking me. So he continues to shine the light. So we say to every leader, every pastor Every civic leader engaging is not an option. Engaging is a mandate. America shines when you're connected to Aubrey Shines. Here's your host, Aubrey Shines. So one of the things that I find very interesting is that a lot of Americans are really not paying attention, in my opinion, as they should, to the major moves that our current administration is making. One of the most phenomenal things that I'm looking at personally, and I hope you begin to, I don't know, adopt some of the same ideas, policies, and that is there is a major move that Donald Trump has made regarding, and I'll just paraphrase it this way, he's breaking up the globalists. He just had a very recent thing that he did with our security as it relates to Europe. And I think, in my opinion, at least a lot of what we're doing in this nation, I believe, intentionally, is getting our eyes away from those things that really matter to you and I as American citizens. I really fell in love with our guest the last time she was with us. I shared her with so many of you. You were raving. You said, oh, my God, who is she? Obviously you begin to go out and find out. I hope you do that all over again. She's from the Promethean Action Midwest. She is the coordinator there, Susan Kokinta. Susan, I want to bring you in here, explain to our audience what they're looking at as it relates to what has happened with this new strategy that Trump has done. How is that impacting us? And more importantly, does it really matter? Susan?

[Susan Kokinta]

Well, first, thanks for having me back for this very, very important topic because last week the Trump administration released their national security strategy for 2025. And this is unprecedented, extraord and revolutionary. I might say perhaps the most revolutionary thing about it is it's actually accessible to a normal human being to read it. And I encourage you to just look it up in your favorite search engine because it's kind of hard to find on the White House website. It is there the National Security Strategy 2025. It's written to draw the American people into the actual policy discussions which so much affect our lives. Now. The most revel, revolutionary things about this is that it explicitly declares that the United States is no longer playing by the globalist rules. It uses the term globalism, internationalism, transnationalism throughout the document and makes clear that this is over. It asserts that we will no longer be drawn into conflicts on the basis of some kind of globalist or international policy, but instead we'll shape our foreign policy on what is best for the United, United States. It has a predisposition to non interventionism. In other words, it says, well, if somebody's actually threatening us, we'll do something about it, but we're not going to get dragged into every conflict in the world. And the other second aspect of it, there's much more that can be said, but the other second aspect of it is that interwoven throughout is the significance of a strong economy, a strong working and middle class as the actual essence of our national security. What you're seeing, and again, the document is clear, it attacks the foreign policy elites and their policies in the post Cold War period. I would submit it goes back further than that, but it makes very clear we've been operating under an elite globalist foreign policy which has drawn us into endless wars and hollowed out our economy. And that is over. And our national security is now based on what actually affects us as a nation and how can we have a strong, robust economy, which the document says is actually the core of national security. You have not seen anything like this in decades.

[Aubrey Shines]

You know, I'm glad that you brought that up because again, I have a lot of friends. I'm going to be with a friend of mine from Holland, and again, even though he's on the ecumenical side of life, he is involved with, you know, Tony Robinson and some of the guys that are leading what I call a revolt there in the eu. But I want to be a little more myopic, Susan, if you don't mind, regarding this, because again, I get what you're saying here, but I want to make sure that our audience really understands. Isn't this inadvertently then, and correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this swelling the ranks of patriots throughout Europe? There seems to be, in my opinion, this epiphany, this revelation, this awakening that's going on there. Are they getting that to the degree that they should be getting it? And doesn't then that diminish the globalists as a whole, whether it's their immigration policies, etc. Etc. Isn't that a clash of the titans that's really going on and our audience should really be paying attention to this?

[Susan Kokinta]

Susan Absolutely. One of the things which has set the hair on fire of the establishments elite foreign policy crowd and many of the current European governments is that the document basically attacks what is happening in Europe with the loss of national sovereignty, unfettered immigration, cultural dissolution, economic collapse. It attacks what is going on in Europe more than anywhere else in the world. And it warns of literally civilizational erasure if these globalist policies continue. And of course, when you look at Europe, you're seeing the petri dish for globalization because the European countries that are part of the EU gave up their sovereignty, in all senses of it, when they joined the eu. So you have sort of the perfect experiment of globalism going on in Europe. Their economies are collapsing. You have unfettered immigration, which is causing crime, cultural dislocation. Most of these countries are ramping up their military for perpetual wars with Russia, which of course, Donald Trump is trying to stop. And one of the points in the document, again, which has gotten so many of the elites, especially in Europe, completely flipped out, is Trump said, I want to strengthen those forces in Europe who want to reassert sovereignty in their countries. Yes, there are many movements like that. There are different movements in Britain which to varying degrees are trying to reestablish a much more Britain first policy for Britain. There are similar movements in other countries. Some of the countries of Europe are a little more attempt to be a little more independent, like Italy and Hungary. And Trump has obviously been very favorable to those countries, but he's basically throwing out the challenge. If you continue on this globalist policy, the great culture of Western civilization cradled in Europe is going to be wiped out. And that he sees as a security threat to the United States. If you read the whole document, and I will encourage people throughout, read it. 32 pages long, big type. And it's not written in diplomatic, you know, nonsensical language. It's written for you to actually think, you know, principles of our policy.

[Aubrey Shines]

No, I love it. I, when I was, I was thinking about this after reading and I thought, this is kind of like a Paul Revere moment, in my opinion. My mind kept going back to, you know, this guy is screaming throughout the countryside, hey, the Brits are coming. The Brits are coming. Well, the globalists are there. And there is a, in my opinion, there are those that are speaking out. What I do hate, and I get it, it's intentional. But what I hate is that here in America, we're not digesting this the way that we should. I'm not just saying this, Susan, by the way, because I'm a Trump guy. I travel with Trump, the 2016 campaign, city to city, speaking before he would get up. Large auditoriums everywhere. But it's not about that. This is not about Aubrey Shines when I say this. This guy really has his finger on the pulse. He gets it. I love your group for that reason. I do. I don't say this because there are hundreds of people that always are contacting us and hey, we'd love to. Come on, we'd love to talk about this. When I found you, I thought, oh, my God, who is this lady? I love this lady. This is fantastic. And I think you get it. I have 30 seconds here, Susan. When I bring you back, I want to make sure that we address a few of the other areas that are out here. I want everyone to stay tuned. I have with us, in my opinion, one of the greatest thinkers that is out there. I think Susan's work with Promethean action is phenomenal. You want to stay tuned. It's going to help you understand and why you should be engaged. We'll be right back. Hurrah, boys, hurrah. Down with the traitor, up with a star.

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[Susan Kokinta]

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[Aubrey Shines]

It's incredible. No matter how old I am, I always find myself annually almost like a personal tutorial. Going back, what brings me to this point. Europe is doing something else. The European Central bank has come out and I'm just giving you a general overview. They are going to force their citizenry to work under the auspices of a digital environment, everything, photos, etc. They will be able to control all of Europe. Facial recognition. If you don't do the right thing, say the right thing, believe the right thoughts, they will wipe you out. America don't think that's way over there across the pond. It can't happen here. It was very close to happening here under Joe Biden. Auto pinned at least not him, but at least his auto pin. Our current president pushed back. I want to bring back in my guest again. She is the Midwest coordinator over Promethean action. Susan, I want you to speak to that. I looked at this and I was talking with a few buddies over in Europe about this and they said, oh my God, someone finally is paying attention. They're about to force in 2029 all citizens. Unless there is some major revolt. They're going to do exactly what China has done. Everything will be socially controlled. The people there will be so controlled they won't be able to have any expression of any dissent without losing everything. Susan, am I overreacting?

[Susan Kokinta]

No, absolutely not. This is what happens when you give up your sovereignty as these nations did when they joined the European Union. So you have some institution which is representing not the welfare of the people, not the welfare of the individual nations, but which is representing a global financier elite which wants to have that kind of control over the whole world. For a bit of a historical background, we fought the American revolution against these kind of globalist institutions. Back then it was the bank of England, it was the British East India Company. Not only did we achieve our political independence, but we also achieved our economic independence based on the principle that the purpose of economics should be to lift up the well being and the standard of living of your population. The globalist principle or the imperial principle is the only thing that counts is this global financier elite. We call it the modern day British Imperial system because that's really your best historical reference. And this is what's happened with these countries. So now you have these, what Trump calls trans what this national security document as transnational, or I would say supranational institutions like the European Central bank and the eu, which can come in and basically impose these policies. I would add, this is what JD Vance attacked when he went to the Munich Security Conference earlier this year. And some of the mouthpieces for the elites, like the Council on Foreign Relations or their British version, which is the Chatham House, in recent discussions of this national security strategy, which they are not happy about, they are very nervous that this would become permanent if J.D. vance continues the Trump tradition. But Vance was very clear when he spoke in Munich that this is an abrogation of basic constitutional or democratic principles in the real sense that is going on in Europe, which is why I think this document warns you're looking at civilizational erasure if this is not reversed in Europe.

[Aubrey Shines]

You know, it's interesting. I had a group of civic and actually clergy leaders as well. I was on a conference call not too long ago, just a few days ago, and these were some of the real movers and shakers, not just here in America, but abroad as well. And I'm really honored to be able to serve them as a chief in so many areas. And we took some of these same talking points that you and I are having. And again, I brought in a theological twist. I said, well, you're looking really at a one world government. If you have a Christian worldview and you want to be controlled and you won't be able to buy, you won't be able to sell, at least this is Pandora's box. I said to them, that's being open right here. I said, and the only thing that is standing in the way are individuals like a Trump, individuals like a Vance, individuals, in all fairness, of any real pure conservative that understands that our freedoms come from God, but we have the power in this great constitutional republic to control our own destiny. I said, we got to go back, guys, girls, to a place that we're having this kind of dialogue here. So I don't want to scare the dickens out of people when I say this, but, Susan, were we not very close just a few months ago, had this country going in the wrong direction with this weird, solid person, Kamala Harris, wouldn't we have been here already? They would have sold us out. And Americans outside of our guns would not been able to unfortunately prohibit this action. Susan, am I going too far?

[Susan Kokinta]

No, absolutely not. I mean, when. When you look at the components of the civilizational erasure, which this document warns against, which is unfettered immigration, crazy policies like the green agenda, which has gutted the economies of these European countries, free trade, all of these. And this kind of digital dictatorship. All of these things were the policies of the Biden and then the hoped for Harris administration, you can see it, with the unfettered immigration green policies. And there were quiet pushes going on for this kind of digital dictatorship, some of it being pushed directly by British parliamentarians coming over to the United States and trying to pull the United States into what they're already also doing in Britain. Even though they're not part of the eu, they are certainly hand in glove with the EU in terms of these kinds of policies. We were very close. And it's the courage of Donald Trump, the hand of God that kept him alive, and I would say the intelligence of enough American citizens to see through all the noise, all the chatter, all the attacks, and put Trump back into the presidency in 2024, which is why we're not on the same path to civilizational erasure as the Europeans are right now.

[Aubrey Shines]

Before I switch gears and Susan, go into the H1B visas in our segment here, I want to bring closure to this one. Here. We're watching the erasure that you and Trump and others I were speaking about all the time that's happening in Europe. And again, it's not just one front. It's the globalist that opens up the doors to allow people that are antithetical to a democracy that are coming flooding intentionally into their nation, knowing that they're going to develop their own laws, they hate Western society, our Greek beginning, etc. Etc. On this last few moments that I have with you on this specific topic, what should you and I and others, what should we be paying attention to in this regard?

[Susan Kokinta]

Well, I think people have to pay attention to the fundamental principles. People get too much caught up in clickbait soundbites, and I think that'll be relevant to the H1B visa issue in a minute. But the fundamental principles are the principal difference between empire, which is based on an image of man, that man is no better than an animal and the elites can rule, and our system, the system of republic, the basic principles of our civilization, which is we are all made in the image of the Creator, and we have therefore, the responsibility to understand how the Creator has created this world and govern ourselves in accordance with that, which is how we do, how we will be fruitful and multiply. I think more people have to get back to the principles and tear them away from the headlines and the screaming issues that you get bombarded with all the time.

[Aubrey Shines]

Your group, in my opinion, has its finger on the pulse. Even though I'm bringing you back and we're going to be pushing Promethean action. Why is your group so important? Take 15 seconds. I'm going to ask that same question, by the way, a million more times because I really do think it's that important. Take 15 real quick. Susan, why are you so important?

[Susan Kokinta]

Because I think we have understood this fundamental difference between the American Republican system and the British imperial system. And now that Donald Trump has come along, he's at least instinctively. I don't know if he would say it in the same terms I do, but he instinctively is an American system patriot. And we're kind of like the translators for people in this new circumstance.

[Aubrey Shines]

She's the Midwest. She's the Midwest coordinator, everyone. She's Susan Kokinter. I'm bringing her back in just a few moments because this visa issue, it's serious. It's impacting us. I have some really tough questions. You need to understand these issues. Susan's going to give us the answers. We'll be right back. Down with a traitor, up with a.

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[Aubrey Shines]

Non immigrant visas, commonly referred to as the H1B visas, allow US employers to hire outside help to fulfill workforce operations. The applicants are often required to have some formal education to receive the visa. And most importantly, this effort is meant to supplement the workforce in the United States. Finally, the demand for such an opportunity, it's overwhelming to the point where only a few select individuals are chosen thanks to a lottery like drawing. While the idea is sound and in its proposal, there's undoubtedly been cases where the number of migrant workers far exceed those of the US Workers. So I want to bring back in Susan to discuss this. But before she comes, there's a quick video that I want to show everyone. Susan, I want to get your feedback on it. Let's go to the video, please. I'm going to ask you, is it MAGA to support American workers being replaced.

[Susan Kokinta]

With H1B visa holders?

[Aubrey Shines]

American's not capable of filling most of these positions.

[Susan Kokinta]

Who supports getting American workers getting replaced?

[Aubrey Shines]

I know the president mentioned that he.

[Susan Kokinta]

Wanted to bring in some workers that he could eventually send back. In regards to the president does not support American workers being replaced.

[Aubrey Shines]

You are mischaracterizing what the president said.

[Susan Kokinta]

The president wants to see our American manufacturing industry be revitalized better than ever before. That's part of what he's doing.

[Aubrey Shines]

Susan, I want to get your comment on that, but I want to just add a quick proviso, if you don't mind. I've done a deep dive study and maybe I'm wrong. I'm always open. I can always hear my professors in my ear suggesting maybe you should consider lowering your expectations of your own belief system. And so I'm going to tackle it from that. I get what the president is saying, but have I gone too far? If I were to suggest this, let's stop all visas, let's just stop it until our young men and women in our universities that have taken time, years, matriculating through various skills, let's make sure all of them are hired, let's make sure that no one from India, China, nowhere else is, in my opinion, relevant in this area until all of our US Citizens are first taken care of. Am I reaching, Susan?

[Susan Kokinta]

Well, I think that's where Trump wants to go. But you don't just snap your fingers and do that. If you look at Trump's policies, really whole of government policy in terms of rebuilding a working class, middle class workforce and providing the kind of skills that are needed, but it does take time to actually train people. Now, as the press secretary said, if there is a qualified American worker right now for a job, Donald Trump's policies are that that worker should get that job. And if you look at the presidential directive that they put out back in September addressing this question, they address all the abuses of the H1B visa system, which have been manifold under Biden, under Obama, under Bush, under a whole lot of people, Trump has done more to actually close this thing down than anybod. But we have a real challenge right now. We are trying to scale up a remanufacturing renaissance in the United States. And to do that, you need skilled workers. Often you're talking about the, you know, the chip manufacturing. These are skills. And what Trump has said is we may have to bring workers in from another country to train our workers. And as soon as our workers are trained, you send them back. But anybody who thinks we don't have a skilled workforce deficit in this country isn't listening to, for example, Ford CEO Jim Farley, who makes the point that we are 800,000 skilled workers short right now in the United States. And the Trump administration is addressing that. The Labor Department has an extremely aggressive program to create 1 million skilled apprentice jobs, apprenticeships, and they've already filled 250,000 of them. I believe they have 2,000 programs out there. I think people have to take a breath and realize you don't make policy from the standpoint of sound bites. You have to look at the actual physical process in the world. What are the skills that are needed? How quickly can we train our own workers to fill those skills? But in the meantime, we gotta get some of these factories built. We gotta get some of this stuff moving because we have to start developing real economic progress, I would say before the midterms. So you have a short term situation where we've gotta fill the gaps, but you've got the longer term situation where, without a question, Trump wants these jobs spilled by Americans. And you also have the previous abuses of this system, you know, abuses which, for example, the U.S. chamber of Commerce is still supporting. They oppose what Trump is doing with the $100,000 fee on the H1B visas. And actually the administration, I think, has 2,000 investigations of violations of H1B visas. You know, the free trade crowd, which is represented by the U.S. chamber of Commerce, they don't like this. They want the cheap labor, they want the prices down. They don't care the impact on American workers. So if people are upset about this, they should probably be upset about institutions other than the Trump administration.

[Aubrey Shines]

You know, I'm glad that you brought that up. And again, I teed that up for certain group of individuals. They follow. They ask these type of questions all the time. And one of the things that I, at least I think I was successful in doing is making them understand. And Trump has begun to already address this. I don't think people really understand, Susan, the $100,000, what I call tariff of or tax that he's putting on these tech oligarchs, etc. Take 30 seconds, please explain that to our audience. Why was that necessary? And is it working, Susan?

[Susan Kokinta]

Well, one of the biggest abuses of the H1B visas was in the tech field where they would just import IT people, coders from especially India and other countries and undercut our computer science graduates who unfortunately had come out of college with a couple of hundred thousand dollars in debt and then couldn't find a job that is absolutely an abuse. And Trump said, okay, we're changing that. You want to come in and do something like this, there's $100,000 fee. So you're saying to the tech companies that were abusing this, well, we're leveling the playing field. It's going to be really expensive for you to bring in somebody from another country. You might want to just go look at our computer science graduates because with this hundred thousand dollar fee that we've just slapped on, you might be better off hiring Americans.

[Aubrey Shines]

I love it. Susan, I got to bring you back because I wish I could keep you here longer. I wish this show sometimes was longer because this type of download really changes all of us. Coming right back with Susan Kokenda. She again is the Action Midwest coordinator for the Promethean group. We'll come right back after a quick break. Down with the traitor, up with a star. We rally round the flag boys rally once again shouting the flag battle cry of freedom. A lot of topics to wrap up this last few moments with our guest here today, Susan Kokenda. Again, she is the Midwest coordinator for the Promethean group. Everyone go out, check it out. We're going to be pushing this. You're going to hear my, my voice saying this a million times in your dream until you guys go out and grab this. So many. You just really fell in love with the work that Susan and her group is doing. It really is fantastic. Susan, I want to bring this almost into this montage collage of thoughts that we've been covering just in the last few minutes, you and I, case in point. I was thinking about this. I was talking with one of my financial guys that he's been on the show a few times. This real smart Harvard guy, happens to be a friend of mine and he shared something with me and it made me reflect on you, what you're doing, your group. He said to me, he said, aubrey, listen, when our exports fell, when the exports rather fell, he said that is making an impact that most are not even tying and pointing and connecting all the dots connecting as they should be. We're seeing a turnaround happen right before our eyes. Again, I'm not here to give anyone any financial advice, find a great financial guy girl group and go from there. But what Donald Trump is doing, and again, I'm a history guy, I've never seen anything like this. SUSAN unless I go back to around 1912, 1913, where we were kind of living off tariffs during that time. No ideal of this federal interest rate killing and destroying lives. Is Donald Trump intentionally moving this needle in such a direction. Again, looking at the exports efforts, we're looking at what's happening. We're pushing out more, kind of taking in less that which is coming in. We are finally on equal playing grounds. Is Donald Trump's real objective to get us back to a pre 1914, 1913 date? And he's just not saying it again. Susan am I overreaching with my tin foil hat here?

[Susan Kokinta]

SUSAN no, I think it's exactly what he's doing, whether he even thinks of it in those terms. Because even if you want to get away from some of the historical background and some of the philosophical aspects of this, you can really think about it in two simple terms. Donald Trump is a builder. He likes to build things. And the essence of the American system, and what I would always argue the essence of actual human economics, is that wealth comes from the human mind. It comes from our ability to discover how, as I've said before, God has organized this universe so that we can improve it and we can make better technology and more powerful energy sources and educate people better and give them a better culture which nourishes their God given creativity. That's sort of the substrate of what builders do. And then you have another entire system, and you could call it a parasitical system, where wealth is based on who controls the money and the accumulation of financial resources. That's the imperial system. And once we surrendered to a Central bank in 1913, we were well on our way, and it was over the decades to putting ourselves out of business as that American system. And certainly by the time of NAFTA and free trade, which basically says the only thing that counts is how cheap you can get it. Not does your workforce have a decent standard of living? Not are you producing what you need in your own country, like defense material or medical supplies or your own food, the only thing that counts is financial profit. And in a world where the only thing that counts is financial profit, the powerful financiers end up running everything. That's what Trump has taken on. Now, I actually want to read, I want to bring this back to the first part of our discussion, which is the national security strategy, because while there are a Variety of very powerful things in there. And we've talked about Europe, relations toward Russia, changed orientation toward the Mideast. These are all revolutionary. This is my favorite sentence. This policy is pro American worker. American policy will be pro worker, not merely pro growth. And it will prioritize our workers. We must rebuild an economy in which prosperity is based broadly and widely shared, not concentrated at the top or localized in certain industries or a few parts of our country. In other words, this kind of cartelization, big tech, big banks, big insurance, which is what has run our country, which is the imperial system or the globalist system, where again, you have very rich, very poor, and nobody in the middle. And Trump is reconfiguring this back to a system based on actually producing things. And that, of course, does prioritize, as this says, the American worker, and ensuring that the American worker is constantly being made more productive, better standard of living, more effective, and so on. And I'll just throw in one more thing. People are freaked out. AI is going to get rid of jobs. Well, AI can be misused. There is no question about that. But people said the same thing about the assembly line. When Henry Ford created the assembly line. Oh, everybody's going to lose their job. Well, my grandfather worked at the original Paquette plant where there was no assembly line and there were maybe 300 people working. Thirty years later, you had the rouge with the assembly line with 100,000 people working. Now, the assembly line did not get rid of jobs. It created a product where more people had access to it. So properly used technology will continue to do that. And that's what Trump is committed to.

[Aubrey Shines]

No, I'm glad that you brought up even the AI. I was actually going to kind of toss it up again. His executive order, just within the last 48 hours or so, in essence said, hey, we're not going to allow you guys to go rogue here. And there is going to be some oversight, which I'm glad to hear because again, I have friends whose images are being taken. These are guys that do very, very well. Their images, their voices are being taken. And unfortun, unfortunately, there is a mis usage out there. I'm not afraid of it. I tell you, one of the concerns I do have, and it's not just me saying this about AI, but juxtaposing Susan over into our education, if our states. I'm so glad that the Department of Education is going back to the States. If we're not training the next generation to think, to write properly, to know how to structurally have a proper syntactical conversation, at least in their mind. We're going to lose a generation anyway. I don't care what manufacturing and what great jobs. You can't bring something great into an environment where cases like, oh, I don't know, Maryland, where the majority of those kids, they can't even read on a fourth grade level and they're graduating them into high school. It's absurd. So we're going to have to focus on all things. If you had to bring conclusion, take one minute it walk us through, we're here now. How do we get to the next place together as a United States?

[Susan Kokinta]

SUSAN Well, I think people need to pay attention to what it is that Trump is actually doing. You brought up education. It's not just going back to the states. The Education Department recognizes that. We've got to start teaching people how to read again. You mentioned Maryland. My state's a basket case too. Michigan, the Trump administration, if you look at his last cabinet meeting, the Trump administration is taking a whole of government approach to an economic revolution in the United States. Some of it you can feel immediately, some of it takes time to build the factories, train the workers and so on. But I think people have to pay attention to this and make this the basis of what we take out to our fellow citizens as we go into 2026. Because for this to become, for this to be completed, for this to become permanent, for this to continue, we cannot lose the House and the Senate in 2026. And I think Trump's actual economic message, which I think they're retuning and remagnifying his recent campaign appearance the other day. The Cabinet, Peter Navarro, J.D. vance, they're out there saying to the American people, we're giving you back the economy. But you're gonna actually have to understand what we're doing and you're gonna have participate in it and you're going to have to communicate it to your neighbors who are being bombarded, you know, by the usual noise, anger and misinformation from everybody else.

[Aubrey Shines]

And this is where your group, the Promethean action group, Susan comes in. I can't stress enough to our audience. Don't just read it for yourself and get excited. Share it, share it just like you do. America shines here every week. I think it would make you a better citizen of this great country. Susan Again, thank you so much for stopping by. I'm coming right back after a quick break. I want to bring conclusion to this. I think you'll be the benefactor actors, you'll benefit from it. Just trust me when I tell you. We'll be right back in just a moment. Down with the traitor, up with a star. We rally round the flag boys rally once again shouting the battle cry out free. I know that we're all going into our Christmas season here, one of my favorite personal times of year. But I would be remiss not to take a moment to share with you. It really is important. Who is in the Oval Office in the United States of America? One of the officers who is a friend to me, he's retired military. He happens still to be stationed right now in the great country of Germany, at least was a great country. They're trying to get it back there. I was thinking about something he once said to me. He said that when America sneeze, in other words, if we have a cough, he says the rest of the globe has full blown pneumonia. I understood exactly what he meant. He's a historian, he's a biblicist and he understands worldview. And I thought about that in relation to what we are currently experiencing here in this great country. Let me explain it to you very quickly. Donald Trump is having tremendous success. He's being fought not by just Democrats, by the way, all Democrats, for the most part, they're fighting him, but he's also being fought by rhinos, you know, those who say they're with them, but they're just in name only, they're standing with him. Let's talk about a couple of his accomplishments as it relates to this subject matter that I was discussing. Take for instance, immigration. Now, to the average guy or girl, they'll try to, in legacy media paint a picture we're being cruel, where we're putting people out. Where is our Christianity? Where's our civility? Actually, it's something I just recently said on another talk show. Real Christianity will actually make you defend your borders. Real Christianity will make sure that people that should not be in your home are not in your home. That's called an invasion. And so what Donald Trump is doing, in a nutshell, through Homan and others, is simple. He's protecting you and I. This is not a racist policy. This is no different than you and I wanting to make sure that our home is open to who we want to come into our house. I don't think that makes me a bigot, a racist, or anything other than someone who protects his home. Well, that's what Donald Trump is doing for in a larger scale as it relates to the United States of America. Why do I say that? We have had an invasion and One of my friends said to me, he was on the show very recently, I always throw out a number, 20 to 30 million. Well, actually, it's come out. We have 50 plus million people in this country that shouldn't be in this country. Well, you say that doesn't. It doesn't matter. Actually, it really does matter because it impacts your finances. How do we know this? The numbers are clearly out. Case in point, Trump appointed a HUD gentleman. Smart, brilliant guy. And he says the moment that millions of people no longer subsidized by my and your tax dollars, guess what, Americans, pay attention. Your rent goes down. Why? Because individual corporations, people that own apartment complexes, etcetera, they're being subsidized by my and your tax dollar. If you push people out that shouldn't be here, guess what happens to your rent. You got it? It's basic math. It begins to go down. Donald Trump is doing that. He's making sure that these things are going on all the time and it's benefiting Americans. I ask you, what American doesn't want to benefit by a leader that's just trying to make your life better? Even to those of you that still want to hold on to racist views, let me remind you that I don't care if someone believes they are are superior to you. The only way they can succeed. Pay attention. If you believe you are inferior, I'll say it again, only person that can be superior to you, if you believe that they are superior, which by thought makes you inferior. Well, we're not inferior people, regardless of the color of your skin. Those of us who are Christian, we don't go by our ethnicity first. We go by our belief system. Our ethnicity plays no role into who we are. Hard work, does it? But I want to juxtapose that very quickly. Think about what's going on in the British Empire, the Commonwealth, Brits, they are experiencing something, that we're winning. And Donald Trump, as well as my prior guest, continues to use the word erasure. Look it up, it'll shock you. This is exactly what we're seeing. Donald Trump, others, friends of mines that are in the uk they're warning the people if they don't grab a hold of their country, they're going to lose it. People, there's nothing new under the sun. As great as the Roman Empire was, it was lost. It imploded, not exploded. No foreign force came in and took it over and imploded from the inside because their policies left its original idea. Donald Trump understands that our friends that are rising up in the British Commonwealth, they are understanding the same thing as well. So we have a task before us, and if we work together, not just here in America, but across the pond, we can recapture. We're going to have to be strong, resilient, filled with a tenacious appetite to make sure that we are going to have a Christian nation. Until next week, I bid you peace.

[Susan Kokinta]

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