American Sunrise Early Edition - October 23rd, 2025

Summary

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Episode Date: October 23, 2025
Host: Jake Novak
Guests: Jared Stepman (Daily Signal), Emily Finn, Aaron Boxer (Diversified Education Services), David Brody

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Episode Overview

This episode of American Sunrise Early Edition dives into the latest political headlines, media double standards, ongoing culture wars in education, and notable developments in business and tech. The show maintains its focus on "faith, freedom, and the values that built this nation," with host Jake Novak leading interviews and commentaries that challenge mainstream narratives. Key segments feature analysis of government shutdown politics, Democrats’ vulnerabilities, media bias, immigration, and the state of American education.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Shutdown and the "Nuclear Option"

[02:00–04:47]

• Fetterman's Surprise Move:
  Jake Novak highlights Senator John Fetterman’s departure from the Democratic line by voting to end the government shutdown and expressing openness to Republicans using the "nuclear option" to bypass the Senate filibuster.
• Jared Stepman’s Analysis:
  • “It actually is pretty amazing when you look at the career arc of Fetterman. I mean, he kind of ran on to the left and went to the right. You don't see that too often, I feel, in American politics.” (03:42, Stepman)
  • Stepman notes that the shutdown, intended to appeal to the Democrat base, “isn't exactly popular with the country” and might backfire.

2. High-Stakes Governor's Races and Obama's Political Influence

[04:48–07:24]

• Discussion centers on Barack Obama campaigning for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia.
• Jake Novak’s Take:
  • Suggests Obama's presence may not boost candidates as previously and that his failure to groom successors makes him less relevant for younger voters.
  • “Here he is campaigning for a couple of rich white women. Again, I don't think that this has the positive effect that some Democrats think it does.” (05:48, Novak)
• Stepman’s Counterpoint:
  • “I don't think Obama has the cachet that he once did. I think that era is sort of over...he’s old news.” (06:22, Stepman)

3. Immigration, Single-Issue Messaging & Shifting Public Opinion

[07:25–10:05]

• Polling Results:
  • Jake cites a Scott Rasmussen poll showing a majority of Americans want all illegal immigrants deported.
  • “A very clear majority, look at that, a 23 point majority of Americans of all kinds want all illegal aliens deported from the country.” (07:52, Novak)
• Stepman’s Perspective:
  • Argues that the Democratic base is “very much committed” to defending illegal immigration, but “Americans say, you know what, we see how this play goes out...We've had enough.” (08:46, Stepman)

4. Media Double Standards: The Nazi Tattoo Scandal

[15:23–18:58]

• Coverage of Graham Platner’s Tattoo:
  • Jake and Emily Finn discuss the minimal media coverage of Democrat Senate candidate Graham Platner’s Nazi tattoo, claiming a Republican would face relentless scrutiny.
  • “Can you imagine if this guy Platner were a Republican? Not only would it be the a block story on MSNBC and CNN for two days, but every Republican all over the country would be getting a microphone shoved in their face…” (15:33, Novak)
• Emily Finn’s Commentary:
  • Highlights the double standard: “If this were a Republican, they would start calling this guy Hitler...but because he's a Democrat, he gets a hall pass. He doesn't have to apologize.” (16:44, Finn)
  • Discusses a culture of unaccountability in “one party” environments (California, Illinois), weakening Democrats on national stage.

5. Education and Campus Culture Wars

[35:57–49:37]

• Turning Point USA Pushback and Student Radicalization:
  • Interview with Aaron Boxer about opposition to conservative groups like Turning Point USA on campuses, and broader anxieties among youth.
  • “We've raised a generation that's confused about their feelings, confusing feelings with facts, because educators stopped demanding rigor and they started prioritizing this ideology.” (40:13, Boxer)
• On Decline in Critical Thinking:
  • Boxer asserts: “If we want to restore sanity, we need to rebuild education around logic and discourse, accountability, and get out of this disgusting victimhood and the mob mentality...” (41:08, Boxer)
• Role of Teachers’ Unions:
  • Jake and Aaron discuss Randi Weingarten’s activism and the politicization of teachers' unions, attributing current divisions to union transformation in the 1960s–70s.

6. Economic and Business Updates

[24:07–34:00 & 54:30–55:26]

• Market Recap & Policy Links:
  • Commentary on President Trump’s sanctions on Russian oil and the impact on global oil prices.
  • The skyrocketing cost of health insurance ($27,000/year for a family), blamed on the long-term effects of Obamacare.
• Labor Policy:
  • Walmart’s withdrawal of H1B visa workers in response to a new $100,000 fee: “They are really working on repackaging their image at Walmart and this will help them do that.” (24:07, Novak)
• Tech Layoffs – The AI Paradox:
  • Discussion on Meta layoffs: “AI programmers, when they get their job done after a year or so, make themselves redundant...” (24:07, Novak)
• Automotive Industry News:
  • Tesla’s volatile market status and GM’s “Eyes Off” self-driving tech rebrand.
  • Recall of 1.5 million Ford vehicles for rear-view camera issues.
  • Commentary on Lamborghini’s 10-year warranty: “You didn’t buy the Lamborghini to impress your grandmother or your pastor...you bought it so that you could hang out with hot models and actresses.” (32:13, Novak)

7. Media Industry Critique: CBS News

[52:15–55:26]

• Low Salaries at CBS News:
  • Jake calls out low pay for producers and executive producers ($118k–$180k in NYC), arguing it results in unqualified staff and ideological conformity.
  • “Look, there's a lot of problems ideologically and I think that this may actually be connected...You’re not going to get anybody good, David.” (53:25, Novak)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fetterman breaking ranks:
  • “He kind of ran on to the left and went to the right. You don't see that too often…so it is very surprising.” — Jared Stepman (03:42)
• Obama’s waning influence:
  • “He's old news. He's for older millennials who still want to recapture those glory days of 2008. But that era in American politics, I think, is very much over.” — Jared Stepman (06:22)
• On sanctuary policies & polling:
  • “Americans just see how the Democrats operate...they want all these people to come to America illegally. They want basically no check on immigration whatsoever and we've had enough.” — Jared Stepman (08:46)
• Media bias double standard:
  • “If this would have been on the other side, it would have been nonstop coverage for days.” — Emily Finn (16:44)
• Education & indoctrination:
  • “Colleges are supposed to be incubators for ideas, not echo chambers for activism…[but] we've raised a generation that's confused about their feelings…” — Aaron Boxer (40:13)
• On Teachers' Unions:
  • “You can't teach self control if you reward chaos. And we told people...that feelings outweigh facts. And now we're shocked when they're starting to burn down flags and knock down Charlie Kirk's memorials.” — Aaron Boxer (48:13)
• On CBS News salaries:
  • “You're not going to get anybody good...It's like the Oompa Loompas, Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. I will make the chocolate, do whatever you say.” — David Brody (53:25)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Fetterman & Democratic Fallout | 02:00–04:47 | | Governors’ Races & Obama | 04:48–07:24 | | Immigration & Polling | 07:25–10:05 | | Nazi Tattoo Scandal/Media Bias | 15:23–18:58 | | Education & Turning Point USA Backlash | 35:57–49:37 | | Markets, Oil, Tech Layoffs (Meta/Walmart) | 24:07–34:00 | | CBS News Pay Inequality | 52:15–55:26 |

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Tone & Language

The episode’s tone is direct, opinionated, and often combative toward Democratic Party leadership, the mainstream media, and progressive cultural/educational trends. The language is colloquial, sometimes sardonic, and intended to provoke critical thinking among listeners who feel underserved or ignored by mainstream outlets.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode offers a conservative perspective on current events, with robust critiques of Democratic strategies, media coverage, and developments in education and the economy. Through candid conversations and a blend of news and opinion, the hosts and guests argue that mainstream narratives obscure inconvenient truths on issues like immigration, campus speech, and government policy. The discussions are rich in anecdotes, polling, and cultural commentary, making it a dynamic resource for listeners seeking news outside the establishment consensus.

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844-844-Iheart or iheartadvertising.com ahead on American Sunrise Early Edition. No more Mr. Nice President President Trump imposes the most severe sanctions yet on Russian oil sales around the globe. It's all in response to Vladimir Putin's rejection of any chance for peace with Ukraine. Speaking of people who don't want peace, the Democrats keep dragging the government shutdown onto day 23 now. But one Democrat senator says he'd now be okay with the Republicans using a nuclear option to get things back open again. The redistricting wars keep raging on as well. And now North Carolina has likely handed the Republicans another seat in the House. But more and more states on both sides of the aisle are getting into the battle, which the Democrats will always have a big advantage when it comes to the mainstream media. That's the reason why just about all of America hasn't even heard of the Democrat U.S. senate candidate with a Nazi tattoo on his arm. Can you imagine what a big story this would be if he were a Republican? And why in the world did Walmart need tons of H1B visa workers? Walmart doesn't want you asking that question, which is why it's getting rid of them instead of fighting that new $100,000 fee for each one of them. American SUNRISE EARLY EDITION begins now. Welcome to American Sunrise EARLY edition, the show where faith, freedom and the values that built this nation take center stage. Your good deeds and bad deeds. That's how we're gonna judge you. Join host Jake Novak as he breaks down the stories that matter. We will be letting the public know regularly what we have found. American Sunrise EARLY EDITION with your host, Jake Novak starts foreign welcome to this Thursday here on American Sunrise EARLY edition. I'm Jake Novak. A lot of news breaking overnight and a lot of stories the mainstream media and even those folks at Fox aren't covering, which is why you have to watch this program and this channel. Joining us now is Daily Signal columnist Jared Stepman. Jared, John Fetterman is making some news. This is what I know a lot of people are thinking, oh, well, you know, he's broken with the Democrats before. Da, da, da, da, da. But you know what? Most of the time when he breaks with the Democrats, it's over a foreign policy issue, it's over a cultural thing. And he'll tweet about it or he'll talk about it, and I give him credit for that sometimes. But this is one of the few times he's really broken with them over a domestic issue. And it's the biggest one of them. All right now for the Democrats, not only has he been voting to end the government shutdown a few times, but he says he thinks it would be okay if the Republicans used a nuclear option and did an end run around the filibuster and reopened the government with less than 60 votes in the Senate. Jarrett, there got to be some heads exploding at the DNC right now, and they're just kicking themselves for not putting their usual number of operatives in his office like they do with everyone else. They blew that. They blew it with this guy.

[B]

Yeah, it actually is pretty amazing when you look at the career arc of Fetterman. I mean, he kind of ran on to the left and went to the right. You don't see that too often, I feel, in American politics from, from either side. So it is very surprising. I find it interesting that on nuking the filibuster, that's actually been a long term Democrat idea, that he's actually just saying, you know, maybe he's saying this at the wrong time. Of course Democrats hate the filibuster until they love it, when they can use it. But I think he actually is pointing to, I think, a very big problem. I think it's even a problem for Democrats right now, which is that this government shutdown, while they're doing it to appeal to their base that wants to shut down the government that wants to fight isn't exactly popular with the country. They can't make it a top tier issue. So they're just going to extend this as long as possible to make it as painful as possible. So using the nuclear option to destroy the filibuster would be quite something. I think that it's very possible that the filibuster is going to go in the next few years anyway. Maybe this is the time to do it. But I do think it's very interesting to see Fetterman break ranks like this.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, again, on a domestic issue and something that he actually voted on. You know, he has, he's, he's been a big talker, but when push came to shove, he just kept voting with the Democrats anyway until these last couple of weeks where he's voted to reopen the government. I don't know again if this is, I don't know if this is something that this is a new wrinkle in what he's going to do now as a more independent Democrat, but we'll see. Jarrett, let's talk about these big governors races going on now in the country. I really have been trying to get people to pay more attention to them before this week. It feels like now the Trump administration And the national MAGA groups and things like that are finally 100% focused on new Jersey and Virginia. But we learned just yesterday that Barack Obama is going to personally campaign for the Democrats in both of those states. He's going to show up on Saturday, November 1, for both Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey and Abigail Spanberger in Virginia. And I want to toss an idea past you that I was thinking about just yesterday about how I think it's a real mixed bag now for Barack Obama to be making these appearances not only for the folks who maybe didn't like him and moderates and things like that, but even for some hardcore left wing Democrats. He's a reminder here he is once again a man who had absolutely no successors, groomed, no other black male candidates have been serious running for any office for the Democrats. I should say there have been some Republican male Democrats who have run and won and he shows up in these states and here he is campaigning for a couple of rich white women. Again, I don't think that this has the positive effect that some Democrats think it does.

[B]

Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. I don't think Obama has the cachet that he once did. I think that era is sort of over and I think he knows that. I think that's why he's actually participating more in direct democracy. I think he wanted to run the country sort of through the shadows and Washington D.C. sort of had that during the Biden administration. But it very much feels, especially in 2024, that the of Obama really came to an end. And this looks like the act of a sort of desperate politician trying to make himself or maybe he still thinks he's that relevant that he can tip these races. Now these races may still get end up going for Democrats. I think that they had a positive environment in both New Jersey and Virginia. But these are very, very close. I don't think Obama's actually at this point going to be a decider. You talk to a lot of young left wingers, they don't care about Obama anymore. He's old news. He's for older millennials who still want to recapture those glory days of 2008. But that era in American politics, I think, is very much over.

[D]

And he did it to himself. Had he groomed some young black male candidates and maybe even some black female candidates to carry on whatever legacy he wanted, he would be much more relevant. But he wasn't. And I think that had a lot to do with the fact that he likes the idea deep down, maybe not so deep down, he likes the idea that he's still the only successful major black man to have won a major camp election in this country. And I think he wants it to keep it that way. He certainly seems to be working for it. Jarrett, maybe the Republicans should go for one issue messaging not only in these governors races, but also in the midterms next year. Because Scott Rasmussen, my friends, his latest poll shows a very clear majority of Americans want all, all illegal aliens deported. The Democrats continue to go around as if most Americans don't like the fact that illegal aliens are being deported. Actually, a very clear majority, look at that, a 23 point majority of Americans of all kinds want all illegal aliens deported from the country. And don't think it's gone too far. Look, Jared, they can read the polls as well as you or I can. Are they getting paid off to support an unpopular position? Are they just, do they think they can tip this one way or the other? Or are they just so invested in having an illegal group of people in this country, significant amount of them to do their bidding?

[B]

I think the left is very much committed to that. Certainly the activist nonprofit left, I think that is very powerful and very influential in Democrat politics. But it's clear that on this issue, I think that Americans generally were against illegal immigration. But I think that during the Biden era in particular, the country really shifted to the point where they no longer care about arguments about, well, are they eventually going to get amnesty? I think a lot of Americans say, you know what, we see how this play goes out. We see how the Democrats operate. They want all these people to come to America illegally. They want basically no check on immigration whatsoever and we've had enough. We want all these people gone. That's the rules of the country that were violated for years. We have a President who's actually just willing to uphold the law. And the issue starts to go away. The borders right now is crickets. It's incredible. And I think President Trump has even gone farther in trying to deal with the root causes in South America, going after the drug cartels and all the instability we have in South America. So he's going on offense on the issue too. I think Americans like that. You say it's a single issue. It certainly is, I think a top issue for Americans. Why they put Trump in office and why I think right now Republicans have Americans again, they're just tired of how things went down during the Biden era. They saw through this.

[D]

Yeah. And I just think that also the Democrats don't realize how bad it looks for them nationally when people like J.B. pritzker and Gavin Newsom who are in these one party states and have been completely gone off the rails because of that. You know, it's good to have a little competition. And they're now speaking out for the national Democratic Party and most people don't like those policies. It isn't a one party country and those folks don't seem to understand that. It's also, of course, a one party city in New York City. So we have to talk about this. New York City's mayoral race. You have a piece in the Daily Signal about Zoran Mamdani's disturbing affiliations. Goes beyond the jihadis, the jihadists that he's friendly with, doesn't it?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. This actually came up a little bit during the debate. It's one of the moments where former governor of New York Cuomo went after Madame for taking a picture with a politician who wants all gays to be put in jail in Uganda. And he, you know, threw out, says, why don't you support a BDS movement for Uganda after this? I mean, if that, you know, really is an issue that matters to you. I mean, he's had a lot of, I think, nasty connections, including a very radical imam in New York City who was one of the unindicted co conspirators in the 1993 World Trade center bombing. So these are some pretty extreme connections. It's amazing that, yes, I know New York is left wing, but these kind of connections, especially to the Islamist kind of wing of things, is quite shocking. And barely any questions have been asked. I mean, Mondami has basically tried to pawn this off. Oh, this is my faith. But these aren't like moderate Muslims. These are some very extreme people. It's remarkable that New York City could be putting some who's a supporter of both socialism and Islamism in office. It's sad, really.

[D]

Yeah. And by the way, it feels like a lot of the scrambling that's been going on in the last few days is way too late. Jarrett, we're 12 days away from election Day. It's amazing. It does seem like there is some energy now to try to stop this guy. But where was it two months ago? Just incredible. And a lot of that is on Andrew Cuomo shoulders. Curtis Sliwa, for better or for worse, has been walking the streets of the city for a long time. Andrew Cuomo just feels like he just kicked off his campaign last week. I mean, that's really the kind of energy or lack thereof that he's shown. I have a feeling he kind of wants to lose so that he can go back in a couple years, run for governor again and say, see, I could have saved the city. Something like that is going on. Jared Stetman, thank you so much for joining us. It's only Thursday, but as you know, I always give you the early good weekend. Have a great weekend. Jared. Thank you.

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Have a great weekend. To you.

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It's a live look at Vermont this morning. Boy, it looks like it's the middle of the summer there, doesn't it? It's already October 23rd. You know, they haven't been getting as much snow in some of these ski areas around the country these last several years. We'll see if that continues this year. Hey, welcome back and thank you for joining us. If you're watching and commenting on the Getter and the Rumble apps, also, don't forget, you can do it on X and substack. Lots of places to do that. And I'll read it. Being a Democrat often means never having to say you're sorry. Democrat U.S. senate candidate in Maine, his name is Graham Platner, was recently discovered having a Nazi. Yeah, a Nazi tattoo on his arm. Emily Finn joins us now. Emily, look, the mainstream media did cover this and I'm putting cover in air quotes. It was a page two, page three story, very, very quickly done. They just kind of quickly brushed it away. Emily, can you imagine if this guy Platner were a Republican? Not only would it be the a block story on MSNBC and CNN for two days, but every Republican all over the country would be getting a microphone shoved in their face saying, do you, do you condemn this? Do you condemn this? I mean, and remember all the hullabaloo about Pete Hegseth and his tattoo, which is not a Nazi tattoo and any this is a Christian tattoo. That was a top story for days. I'm just so sick of this double standard, Emily.

[F]

It absolutely is a double standard, Jake. And I think it's really clear to see the Democrat playbook. If this were a Republican, they would start calling this guy Hitler. Like you said, there would be people on every program in America talking about how awful this is, but because he's a Democrat, he gets a hall pass. He doesn't have to apologize. He doesn't have any accountability. It's just, it's so frustrating to see. And at the end of the day, like, what was his response to this tattoo? What did he have to say about this? How do you even justify this in any way whatsoever? The media coverage has been extraordinarily disappointing that this hasn't been covered very much. Because like you said, Jake, if this would have been on the other side, it would have been nonstop coverage for days.

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Yeah.

[D]

And you know, let's talk about something else too, which is the kid glove treatment that so many Democrats get around this country and how it actually hurts their party. I mean, let me give them a good friendly piece of advice. These one party, state, media friendly environments where your candidates are coming from are killing you in national campaigns where you actually have to do some work and everyone isn't just kissing your butt. I mean, Kamala Harris came from a one party state and boy, did she look it when she ran a national campaign and wasn't really even able to answer the easiest questions because she'd never been, they'd never been posed to her. And people like J.B. pritzker in Illinois and also Gavin Newsom also from California, are advocating policies that are not popular nationally, but they don't even seem to know that because they are in this bubble. You have to actually get even a red state, even the red state treats its Republican candidates with tougher criteria than Democrats get in their blue states. And it doesn't help them in the long run. It really doesn't.

[F]

I think, you know, the best word to describe it, like I said earlier, is just getting a hall pass. And Kamala Harris is the perfect person to bring up as an example of this. She literally was crowned with the Democratic nomination. Didn't have to do any work for it, didn't even get a single vote to be able to receive that nomination and then embarrassed herself on a national stage. Like you said, not being able to answer questions, cackling her way through every interview was never consistent about any of her policies, about anything that she stood on in the past. Fast forward to today. This is just the playbook of the Democrats. There is no authenticity.

[D]

Yeah, I just, I mean, think about your own upbringing. I mean, were you given this much of a. Were there people in your, in your classes or in your early, earlier part of your career where there was just. They could do anything and get away with it. And did you ever experience, I mean, you can imagine maybe sometimes people see that. But at any workplace or in the classroom, this starts in the classroom. You might notice there's one student who seems to be able to get away with stuff that the rest don't. That person never turns out to be a great person. It's as simple as that.

[F]

No, I would completely agree with you. But I will say, Jake, I just feel like things have changed so much from even just a few years ago that I was in college, that I was in the classroom. People did not have these kinds of conversations. Republicans were completely silenced. You couldn't say a thing. You weren't comfortable enough to even voice your opinion. And so we're seeing a major shift of that in the country today. Even this conversation that we're having this morning, we are definitely seeing a shift that there's more accountability for these double standards that we continue to expose.

[D]

Yeah. Well, at some point, Emily, you're going to be going to some of these kids parties, like a kid's birthday party at a bowling alley. And when the little kids bowl, they put up these bumpers over the gutters now so they don't roll a gutter ball. That's fine when you're 4, 5 and 6, but if you've done that all your life and then you get into the bowling championship, you're not going to do too well, let's put it that way.

[F]

There were bumper zines for Kamala Harris, that's for sure.

[D]

That's right.

[B]

That's.

[D]

That's my analogy. Emily Finn, thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you in the eight to ten hour in American Sunrise. Thank you.

[F]

Thank you, Jake.

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So we got Bachman Turner, Overdrive playing here with taking care of business. As we look at Cincinnati, Ohio, that's the wishful thinking in the control room that the jets will take care of business and beat the Cincinnati Bengals in Cincinnati on Sunday. Not gonna happen. Although Cincinnati, let's be honest, Cincinnati Bengals fans have had some pretty rough times over the last decades as well. But at least they got to a Super bowl recently, four years ago. Let's take a look at where the markets will begin today. Had a sell off yesterday as investors taking a little bit of a pause. This is a slight down open that we're looking at right now. Gold coming back. Gold had a bit of a sell off the last couple of days, but there it is. It's still well over $404,100 per ounce. I saw some people talking online about, oh, you know, gold's going down now. It's not, folks. It's still well over $4,000 an ounce. I wouldn't sell all your gold just yet. Crude oil now you're going to see that we're above the $60 level, well above. We're almost at $62. And that's because of those sanctions that President Trump imposed on Russia. You know, it's a nice, it's a nice luxury to have. When President Trump put those sanctions in place, we were at 50 to $8 a barrel, almost an all time low when you factor in inflation, folks, he does these kinds of things when things are pretty good in those markets and they can absorb this without much notice. I mean, it was just a few months ago when we were happy to see the $70 a barrel number or 65. Look at that. Now I want to take a look at bitcoin. It has been struggling lately. And bitcoin coming back just a little bit now, not yet at 110, but at 109 and change and up a percent and a half this morning. Here's something that isn't getting better. The average cost of health insurance in a family plan in the United States for this year is now $27,000 per year. And for everyone here who's trying to blame maybe the Republicans for this, sorry, the Democrats own this. They passed Obamacare in 2010. So many people, including myself, wrote editorial after editorial and produced show after show trying to explain that the system would make things expensive, more expensive than they needed to be for all of us, instead of taking that 10% of the American public, the American population, the sickest 10% of us who we have a lot of compassion for, instead of taking them on and giving a special plan just for them and putting them away from the rest of the financial system. They expected all of us, including young people who don't make that much money to pay a lot of money for our premiums to pay for their expenses. There were people who said that for as little as $100 billion, which I understand is still a lot of money, but it's not trillions. For as little as $100 billion, we could have taken that 10%, the sickest 10% of us, put them in a special plan, given them special access to types of doctors they needed, and it wouldn't have bled over to the rest of the system. That was the best plan I saw. Instead, we're all paying for these people. We're paying for them over and over again. And including young people. I don't know any young person who can afford $27,000 out of their paycheck, even before taxes to pay for their, their health insurance. It's just insane. All right, Walmart is not insane. They're smart enough to know when to hold them and when to fold them, as Kenny Rogers used to say. They have actually been employing a lot of H1B visa holders. Now you wouldn't expect that at Walmart. What do they need to import people from foreign countries for? To stock Walmart shelves or even to program some of walmart.com, which I've said on this program is probably one of the most improved retail websites in history. But still, how many people do they need to bring over from India or other countries to work? This is what they're doing. They're abusing the system. This is not a case of, oh, we don't have enough people in America who know how to code. I promise you there's plenty of American born people, maybe the sons and daughters of immigrants themselves or maybe even just fully naturalized citizens. It doesn't matter to me who can code for walmart.com. give me a break. Well, Walmart is very smart. They're not going to fight this. There were a lot of people pushing them. Hey, why don't you fight President Trump that new $100,000 fee per H1B visa worker every year? They're not going to do it. They're going to hire American citizens now for these jobs. What a concept. Walmart is smart enough to know that. By the way, they are really working on repackaging their image at Walmart and this will help them do that. Mark Zuckerberg and Meta are laying off some people too, 600 people. And that's a lot actually from its AI division. Now this may not really. They're talking about how it was bloated. I've looked a little bit closer into this and so have some experts in big tech. I'm looking a little bit close and this may not be about cutting the bloat or trying to cut costs. This may be what we're going to see at a lot of companies because spoiler alert, AI programmers, when they get their job done after a year or so, make themselves redundant, they create a machine that does their job too. Oh, that sounds like karma, doesn't it? But be careful if you're an AI coder or if you're someone who's an expert and make sure that you're not actually not only training your, your replacement, but creating your replacement. That's what's going on in a lot of these big tech companies. And that is the real reason why Meta is laying them off. Not because they want to save money, but because these people literally created a machine that does their job for them. 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Europe really hates him, all that kind of stuff. Well, guess what? Tesla shares, even though they were down yesterday, Tesla shares are up 102% from this day a year ago today. Can you believe that? So if you sold all your Tesla shares last year when he got involved in the election, which was around, you know, he was already involved in it by late October. Of course you missed out on a huge run up. Be sure that you are not following just what everyone is saying when it comes to politics and a particular investment, make sure that you've got all of your ducks in a row because you missed out on a very big Tesla run up if you sold as soon as Elon Musk got involved in the campaign last year. Now Tesla is also still influencing the rest of the auto market. But listen to this interesting nuance. Gm General Motors announced yesterday that it's going all in on self driving technology. But GM shrewdly isn't calling itself driving. It calls it quote, eyes off technology, end quote. They know that a lot of people when they hear self driving, get their backup, they get all upset. Oh, self driving, I hate that. I hate that. So now they're just calling it eyes off technology. Meaning, you know, you can look at your phone for a second, you can turn around and tell the kids to stop punching each other in the backseat, you can pick up a cup of coffee before it spills all over your upholstery. The whole thing, eyes off technology. I wonder if that's gonna work. Hey, I laughed as a kid when they started calling used cars pre owned cars certified pre owned. Well now they're gonna call it eyes off technology. I wonder if it'll work. I think it kind of worked with pre owned. Although you know, I still call it used cars. Hey, my rule when, when a recall is announced is I'm not going to report it unless it's at least a million vehicles. Well, sorry, I've got one for you. In fact, this is a million and a half, 1.5 million vehicles that Ford is recalling. Here's the problem. It's an issue with the rear view camera that can sometimes suddenly shut off or show you a distorted picture. Now there are a lot of models. I can't list all the models as effects. Of course if you have one of them, your dealer is going to send you an email or give you a call. But it does seem to start with a lot of 2015 models like the Ford Escape. So if you have a 2015 Ford, it's very likely you are going to have to get your car checked by your dealer. It'll be for free, the whole thing, you'll have to do it. But backup cams not working are suddenly going out in the middle. That sounds a little scary to me. So that's the deal with Ford. All right, now, perhaps the most absurd automotive story I've brought to you in this entire 10 months and change that this program has been on the air. Lamborghini is announcing that it is now going to offer 10 year warranties on some of their new models. Now look That's a nice thing. I'm certainly not against it in theory, but does anybody go to a Lamborghini dealership and say, how long is the warranty, sir, I want to tell my supermodel girlfriend that this car is really guaranteed for 10 years. I mean, are you kidding? That's not why you buy a Lamborghini. I don't think that there are any hot supermodels or actresses who are going to get excited about the 10 year warranty on a Lamborghini, which is why you buy a Lamborghini. Let's be honest, folks. Come on. Let's be honest. You didn't buy the Lamborghini to impress your grandmother or your pastor at your church. You bought it so that you could hang out with hot models and actresses. Let's be honest. All right, coming up, what do all the campuses and high schools who are pushing back on the new Turning Point USA chapter tell us about them and America? We're going to talk to an education expert about that when American Sunrise Early Edition returns.

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Foreign It's Thursday, October 23rd. Here are this morning's top stories. No more Mr. Nice President. President Trump imposes the most severe sanctions yet on Russian oil sales around the globe. It's all in response to Vladimir Putin's rejection of any chance for peace with Ukraine. Now he's going to pay. The redistrict wars keep raging as well. No peace there. And now North Carolina has likely handed the Republicans another seat in the House, but more and more states on both sides of the aisle are getting into the battle. Of course, the Democrats will always have a big advantage when it comes to the mainstream media. That's the reason why just about all of America hasn't even heard of the Democrat U.S. senate candidate with the Nazi tattoo on his arm and a career history of training antifa thugs. Can you imagine what a big story this would be if he were a Republican? My goodness. And why in the world did Walmart need to employ tons of H1B visa workers? Walmart. Walmart doesn't want you to ask that question, which is why it's getting rid of them instead of fighting that new 100 grand fee for each one of them in America. American SUNRISE EARLY EDITION continues now. Welcome back to REAL America's voice. And this is also AMERICAN SUNRISE EARLY edition. I'm Jake Novak. Thank you so much for all of you who are not only watching but commenting, getting involved, making sure your voice is heard on the Getter app on Rumble, also on Substack and X. And of course, you can watch on so many places. And I appreciate the fact that so many of you speak out and speak your mind and you know that I'm watching and reading it here on Real America's Voice. We remain committed to remembering our late colleague Charlie Kirk and honoring his mission. Now, that mission, of course, includes spreading the Turning Point USA message to more and more schools and campuses all across the country before we get into some of the very, very violent pushback against that. Joining us now to talk about the hurdles in front of that or why that's important also and why that's important is Aaron Boxer. He's the CEO of Diversified Education Services. And Aaron, I have to ask you a question as someone who's not only an educator, a lot of times when we bring in educators, even on this program, they're administrators, they work from the 30,000 foot level. And some of them are very important. And I'm not disparaging them in any way, but you actually work with real students one on one. And I wonder, what do you think of students getting involved in organizations like this above and beyond their education in just a regular classroom? This is something that in many cases really augments their education, doesn't it?

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Yes, Jake, it's great to be on, and I appreciate you mentioning that these campus protests and the violence that we're seeing right now, that the consequences of an education system, it's abandoning critical thinking and going more towards emotional indoctrination. So for years, these universities have taught students what to think instead of how to think. We replaced debate with censorship, truth with ideology, and resilience with this outrage. So now when young adults encounter a viewpoint they don't like, they don't argue, they riot. So it's not just about politics. It's about the collapse of intellectual maturity.

[D]

This is an interesting point that I think started many, many years ago, especially with climate change. I mean, there were literally lesson plans that were telling young people that unless we do X, Y and Z, unless your parents stop driving SUVs, in 50 years or in 40 years, or maybe 20 years, life on this planet is going to be greatly reduced. There's going to be a massive crisis. There'll be wildfires every other week. I mean, we really injected a level of anxiety that the indoctrination that you're talking about doesn't come along with peace of mind. It comes along with just the opposite. You work with young people. If there's one thing that's I think, spreading among all young people from all walks of life, religious, not religious, Right, left. There is an anxiety epidemic in this country for people under 30. And I think that this indoctrination menu that they've been receiving their whole lives has a lot to do with it. I really do.

[G]

Yes. If you watch some of the videos, you'll see some of these younger people in tears, hysterical, afraid that the world is going to end in 10 years. They did the same thing when I was a kid. I was under the impression when I was in high school, and this is back in the. The late 80s, early 90s, that Florida was going to be underwater by the turn of the 21st century. Education and colleges are supposed to be incubators for ideas, not echo chambers for activism. So we've raised a generation that's Confused about their feelings, confusing feelings with facts, because educators stopped demanding rigor and they started prioritizing this ideology. And when that happens, you. You don't get dialogue, you get chaos and anxiety. As you mentioned, if we want to restore sanity, we need to rebuild education around logic and discourse, accountability, and get out of this disgusting victimhood and the mob mentality that starts long before college. It starts with parents, teachers, and schools that teach kids, again, how to think, not what to believe.

[D]

You know, Aaron, I got to ask you about this because I'm. I'm with you. I'm with you on the critical thinking and all that kind of stuff. I think it's important. But there's another part of this that even when that is in place, people sometimes forget. There was an amazing piece written about, oh, I want to say, 15 years ago by a recent Harvard graduate who, in his year after Harvard, went back to his Fancy Prep School, St. Paul's up in New England, as a teaching fellow, which is a great program, by the way. A lot of these fancy prep schools do this. And he was shocked because the students were really well trained in critical thinking, but they also didn't know what side France was in World War II. They didn't have their basic history facts. And so there's gotta be a little bit of both. I mean, that could also help reduce some of the anxiety if while we're trying to teach them critical thinking, we're also teaching them some facts. I mean, I can't wait to go up against some of the young teens on Jeopardy. Next year. I'm just kidding. But they don't seem to know some of the basic, basic facts of history because they're too busy getting indoctrinated all the time.

[G]

Absolutely. They also preach about free speech, but they try and suppress it as well. So they're not prioritizing what the. The standards of what kids are going to need when they wind up leaving school. And school is not just about. About the content. It's not just about math, reading, and writing. It's about learning how to learn and then trying to teach kids also about free speech. You should see some of the things they're teaching in these civics classes when they're only giving one side of the argument. How do you develop free speech if you don't see what the other side is saying? So when they wind up hearing something that. That is different from what they've. They've learned growing up, then they become more fearful of it. So free speech now means approved speech. You can say almost Anything, as long as it aligns with the dominant ideology. And the moment a conservative voice speaks up, living here in a blue state, it's labeled as dangerous or hateful. And then if we go to colleges where they should be the marketplace of ideas, they're not the monopolies of some type of ideology. So we've kind of lost the messaging. Like, what is the priority for kids? Are we preparing them for life later on? Or are we trying to mold them into an ideology where the person at the front of the classroom who's teaching the content is the dominant one?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, we just showed the scene of the Charlie Kirk assassination. I mean, his killer was, was, was indoctrinated by someone or something to believe that Charlie Kirk was hateful. People are still saying that now. And I asked them, okay, show me the video where he says something racist. Show me the video where he said, I mean, they can't do it because they've just been told this. And, you know, you talk about the critical thinking skill. There's another skill. And I talked about this a lot when I'm working and running television programs over the last decades and things like that. That I said, the greatest skill you can have, not only as a debater, but as someone who's trying to bring forth ideas, is can you fairly, fairly summarize your, the opposing view to yourself? What the other side says, even though you don't agree with it, can you fairly summarize it without demonizing it, without twisting it? Can you just say, hey, these guys are for this? You know, I've been shocked by the way how many times I haven't had to twist, for example, some of the left wing positions. I mean, they really don't want any ICE enforcement, for example, they don't want any illegal aliens deported. I'm not twisting. I mean, I mean, how else can you explain JB Pritzker telling his cops, hey, you might have to go arrest ICE agents, things like that? Now, I want to talk a little bit more about the backlash. We've talked about the innocent victimization of the otherwise innocent kids in these schools. But then, of course, you have the people who are no longer innocent once they start doing things like we saw at Kennesaw State, this ugly reaction to Turning Point usa. We also had something at Illinois State where a slightly older person, a teaching assistant, you know, an assistant professor, flipped over a table. But at Kennesaw State, it was much more violent. So how does this become an acting act? You said that these people end up rioting. How does that happen? Is it the anxiety or is someone actually telling them, go beat these people up?

[G]

I'd really like to know if there's, if there's some funding that's been driving this, because after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, you would think that maybe people want to temper things down, but that's not what's happening. And by the way, there are people on these sites on where kids are playing their games with. They're getting in. There's this woke mind virus that Elon Musk talks about. They're getting to the kids very young. It's not just in the classrooms, it's where kids congregate. You have this messaging that seems to be everywhere and it definitely steers more towards the left. So the reaction at Kennesaw State, it was symbolic. As you, as you pointed out, it wasn't just about a man, it was about a message. And Charlie Kirk, he stood for free markets, accountability, patriotism, Jesus Christ. Values that don't fit a narrative across this country, especially in these left wing institutions. So when they deface his memorial, it's not about rebellion, it's about a resentment towards someone who reminded them what freedom actually looks like. And those protesters, they don't want freedom. They want suppression. They only want their voices heard.

[D]

Aaron, the teachers unions have long been a problem with all of this, and it just keeps getting uglier. Randi Weingarten is someone who, again, she was at the no Kings rally over the weekend calling Trump voters fascists. Someone who's in charge of teachers in this country or at least has a huge amount of influence on teachers in this country. Telling the half the country, really half the country and more than half of the voting country in this last election that they're fascists. That should be completely disqualifying. I mean, this should not be someone who's involved with the teacher. She wants to get involved in a militant political movement. Go for it. That's fine. She has every right to do that. But it's not supposed to be partisan in a teacher's union. And, you know, I want to recommend a book to everyone, by the way, and to you as well, if you haven't read it. A fantastic book that has an important chapter in it. The book is called the Ungovernable City. It's by vincanato, and it has a chapter explaining how the modern teachers union was born in the mid-60s to early-70s. It went from a professional organization that just talked about education to a militant political organization. Because in those years in New York, specifically Teachers were actually getting physically attacked by students and their parents. So you can understand where they're coming from. But that's why they're so violently against parents and children, because the teachers unions, and we know them today, were born out of a time when they were being physically attacked. That's not happening anymore, by the way. So it's amazing to me that people don't get this. But I mean, when you, when your students come to you, to your program, I mean, do you, do you start telling them about how half the country is a bunch of fascists? I mean, it's.

[G]

Kids about politics. Unless they have an assignment that has to do with it. I feel like that's something that should happen at home with adults leading by example. But I just want to make one or back up your point about the liberal infection that started back in the 1960s. It was during the free speech movement. You had these 60s radicals. They are the professors of today. A lot of them are probably retiring, but their thought leadership was what led us down this very dark path. So you combine this with Donald Trump's populist approach conflated with NOW Trump derangement syndrome. His thoughts and followers represent this existential threat to the power brokers that have led our country from behind the scenes and the radical leftist ideologies that are propagated by the unions, by the college institutions. We got here because the adults in charge, they stopped drawing lines. They, these professors, politicians, administrators, have excused this behavior for years under the banner of expression. So you can't teach self control if you reward chaos. And we told people, the young people, that feelings outweigh facts. And now we're shocked when they're starting to burn down flags and knock down Charlie Kirk's memorials. It's an infection that has spread throughout everything.

[D]

Yeah. It's also called child abuse. Aaron Boxer, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for your work directly with young people. And I'm glad that there's people like you in contact with our kids as opposed to militants. Thank you so much. Have a great weekend.

[G]

Thanks for having me on.

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Hey, you get what you pay for. And with that in mind, wait until you find out what CBS News is paying for some of its top showrunners. This is Barry Weiss. She needs to fix this because your product stinks because of what you're paying people to run your shows. American Sunrise, early edition. We'll be right back.

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That's Dallas, Texas. The NBA season got started last night in Dallas. The debut of Cooper Flag. The Mavericks were hanging around there for a while with the San Antonio spurs, but then they got blown out. So not a great start to the NBA season for the Dallas Mavericks. I thought Cooper Flag looked okay. It's a long season though. Boy, they have a long season in the NBA. They play. It's an 82 game season, but they spread it out over a long period of months there. I feel like it just ended. But soon it'll be the only game in town that NHL hockey. Don't forget we got the World Series. We have NFL for a few more months, but you know what happens after that. Welcome back to American Sunrise Early Edition. I'm Jake Novak. It's already Thursday morning. Hey, CBS News has got to be kidding Look, I get all these emails all the time with people talking about job openings in the television news business. Oh, don't worry, I'm not leaving the show. But, you know, I take a look at them, of course, as anyone would, and I'm shocked, I'm just shocked at the actual salaries that they're offering at CBS News, which is owned by Paramount. And by the way, this predates the buying of Paramount by David Ellison and Skydance. This is the salaries that they're offering for New York based, expensive New York based showrunners, people who run the shows, people who are actually in charge of the show. Not, not a, not an entry level position, not a mid level position. The top salary for a supervising producer @ CBS News, $118,000. You can't live with a family at least on $118,000 in New York City. I mean, maybe you can commute three hours a day for a executive producer position, which is even bigger. Big shows like CBS Evening News, $180,000. Are you kidding me? Look, there's a lot of problems ideologically and I think that this may actually be connected. David Brody, Maybe the way to get your producers and the shows to go exactly the way you want them to go politically is to get a bunch of really underpaid people who don't have any experience, enough experience or enough money in their pocket to really say, hey, I'd like to think for myself on this job. I mean, this is really ridiculously low wages. I know a lot of you listening in the country think that's a pretty good wage. I promise you, in New York City, that's not enough money for a senior position like that to run a network broadcast show for less than $200,000 a year. You're not going to get anybody good, David.

[C]

You're just not totally not. It's like, yeah, you make a good point. It's like the Oompa Loompas, Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. You know, I will make the chocolate, do whatever you say. Absolutely. That's exactly right. Look, I've been in this business. Well, we've talked about this. We've been since the Roosevelt era, both of us. You know, we were young, we were in our 20s then, and we were younger back then, but now we're, you know, obviously a bit older. Way, actually, way, way much older. Anyhow, the point is, is that the salaries are ridiculous. Why, why is it? Someone explain this to me. No, seriously, I really don't understand, like, just economically, you're the business guy.

[G]

Jake.

[C]

I mean, I don't understand how those salaries are even at that level to begin with. Look, I can tell you this. I know we got to run, but in New York, I was offered a job 30 years ago in New York for $100,000. That was 30 years ago.

[G]

Hello?

[C]

Someone explain it to me. I don't get it.

[D]

Yeah, and by the end, everyone should know about this. The liberal news media doesn't even pay their own people. Simple as that. Alright, American Sunrise coming up next. I'll see you tomorrow. Wishing the holidays could come early. If you own or manage your business, they can. With help from iHeartradio. People are already shopping for their loved ones and hunting for deals wherever they can find them. Including right here. They're listening to the radio, they're listening to podcasts. They could be listening to you. Don't wait for everyone else to kick off the holidays. Get your best season of the year up and running today. Call 844-844-IHEART or visit iheartadvertising.com.

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