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This is an iHeart podcast. Ahead on American Sunrise Early Edition. The investigation continues in the Charlie Kirk assassination as messages between the alleged shooter and his apparent lover are being scrutinized for evidence of a larger conspiracy in the case. If you're waiting for a leader of the Democratic Party to take a stand against the leftist violence that cost Charlie Kirk his life, first you have to find an actual national leader for the Democratic Party. You didn't think it was Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer, did you? After mocking the Americans mourning Charlie Kirk's death and saying they were actually his killers, ABC decides to pull Jimmy Kimmel and his late night show off the air indefinitely. I told you things were different in America now, didn't I? Jerome Powell and the Fed finally do cut interest rates, but then Powell seems to double down on taking that too slow approach for the rest of the year. Ouch. And after a huge effort by lawyers, crime podcasters and more, a California judge is nixing any chance for the Menendez brothers to get a new trial. Sorry, guys. American Sunrise EARLY EDITION begins now.
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Jake Novak starts now. Welcome and good morning, everyone. It's already Thursday. It's American Sunrise EARLY edition. I'm Jake Novak. Thank you so much for joining us. And again, it has been a busy overnight of news. We're going to get you updated on all of it and a lot of stuff to talk about today. So I'm so really thankful that you've joined us. One of my pieces of advice I have for you is don't even start to get into arguments with your liberal friends or people online until you watch this program because you really need a little bit more of the ammunition I'm going to give you. Joining us right now is Tennessee state representative and candidate, Republican candidate for Congress, Jody Barrett. Representative Barrett, I know you've made a number of statements about the murder of Charlie Kirk, but can you summarize for us, you know, where you're coming from on this, what you what want to tell people as a leader, state leader in your state and what needs to go happen going forward, not just in Tennessee, but, but nationally. I'd like to get your take on this because obviously everyone needs to respond one way or the other.
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Well, sure, certainly. And first of all, good morning. It's good to be with you at this early hour. Glad to wake up with America with you. Look here, here, locally in Tennessee, we have seen just an incredible outpouring of support and love for Charlie Kirk, for his family. I think people here that are largely conservative in this red state see this as a personal attack on. On us, on our way of life, on the way we live and breathe and worship. And so because of that, I think the. The response has been visceral. I attended a vigil Sunday night in Franklin, Tennessee, in Williamson County. We've had more than 3, 000 people there that showed up. We packed the town square, it went on for three hours of worship, of praise, you know, prayer for the family again. And, And I think this is going to spark a revival. I really do. I think we're already seeing it. You know, I think before this, this tragic event, there were only something like 15,000 TPUSA chapters around the country. Now there are 35,000 pending applications. So I think the people are responding to this. The silent majority is waking up. And I'm hopeful that this is a fire that doesn't burn out quickly. I think, I hope it's something that is a slow burn for a long period of time.
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Yeah, it feels different in America. I said that on Thursday morning, and it still does. Last Thursday morning, Thursday again. It's been a quick week, and I feel it still. Representative Barrett, I see that a number of Republican candidates in your state are calling for unity. And I think that there's an aspect of unity that we have to push for here amongst ourselves and just regular people. But I don't think you mean unity with those who are still bent on violence and justifying the violence and doing further harm to those who are mourning in this country. There are a lot of people who are really hurting. You know, we talk about the political action and the changes in America and new signups for Turning Point usa, that's all one thing. But there are people who are really still hurting. And there are also people looking to continue to rub salt in those wounds. We're not looking to have unity with those folks, are we?
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Well, no, I don't think you can have unity with people that are trying to kill you. I mean, Israel's had the entire Middle east trying to kill them for decades, and there's no peace there. There probably never will be any really true, long, long enduring peace because of that. And so here in America, with, with the left, particularly with how far they've moved to the progressive left, I just don't know that there's a whole lot of reconciliation availability there. What I would call for, rather than, you know, any type of reconciliation or peace or whatever terminology you want to use, is courage. I would call for courage from Christians, courage from the silent majority, to not to shrink into your hole for fear of being attacked or having some violence come against you. Be courageous. Continue to speak out. You know, the. The founders of this country were. They had courageous. They all knew that they were either going to hang separately or hang together. And so I think we need to have that same spirit here on the right in America and that we're all in this together and we need to lock arms and be curt or have courage going forward.
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Yeah. And it's so amazing. Everyone should keep their clarity in focus as well. We don't need to look for any hidden conspirators here. Everyone who is involved with this, who supported this and continues to cheer it, is extremely public, is voluntarily showing us who they are, and it's very easy to find them. There's no effort. You don't need to look for any kind of hidden stuff. The folks who did this, the folks who celebrated this are all out in the open. We have so much evidence against the shooter in particular. Finding out the people who supported him is all. There's a tremendous paper trail for this, and that's another part of the unity here. Be unified in understanding that the folks behind this, particularly the shooter, and starting with him and going on down, are in hiding. I'd like to ask you about your state specifically because I felt like this is another big story in America that's obviously been overshadowed lately. But President Trump is sending the National Guard to your blue city in the middle of your red state, Memphis, which is really from a totally nonpartisan standpoint. I haven't heard one person who's visited Memphis in the last 20 years who hasn't told me that it has really gone down and it has become more and more crime infested. So I know you have a statement about this, even as some Democrats in your state are publicly pushing back on it, although it does seem like the mayor of Memphis is resigned to it. I guess that's better than nothing. What's your take on this? What do you want the people of America to know about what's going on there?
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Well, I think this is just another situation of regular people being overlooked and run over by the. The elected elites that run their community. And that don't really care about them or their safety. They just care about their own power and maintaining that power. So they've neglected their obligation to the people that they represent for, for many decades. As you said, they're not providing the, the resources or the manpower that the police need. They're, they're continuing to put these, this social justice scheming restrictions on their police, on what they can and can't do to get people off, off the streets. And it's rampant. Not through just the elected officials or at least not just in the mayor's office. It's also all the way down through the judicial system. You've got judges and a da, the Soros funded DA there that simply will not put people behind bars and keep them there. You know, they continue to let people out on bail that have, are committing multiple violent crimes and putting the people at risk in that city. And so finally the has, has heard the cries of the people of Memphis folks. I'm seeing interviews from folks that you would not think would, would be voting for President Trump on the sidewalk going, thank you President, thank you for sending in this, this resource. Thank you for sending in this backup. We need it. We're dying here. And so this is triage. It's not a long term solution to the crime problem in Memphis. And certainly as long as the Democrats continue to control that city, it's going to continue to be an issue that, that we're going to have to monitor. But you know, finally we, we have some backup coming in. The cavalry's on the way and, and hopefully we can see a similar result that we saw in Washington D.C. with a dramatic decrease in violent crimes, in, you know, murders and drug issues and, and carjackings, all of that.
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Speaking with State Representative Jody Barrett, he is also a candidate for Congress in the state of Tennessee. I know that you had a Republican debate not that long ago, earlier this month. Tell me about that and also how the race is going overall, sir.
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Well, we've had about 20, 20 plus, I think candidate forms or debates. Now this thing is, even though it's a short sprint with a special election, we've been very, very busy. I think just about every single county has at least had at least one candidate forum hosted there. But it's coming down to the nitty gritty now. Early voting has started yesterday and it's really down to about three or four candidates that have a shot, I think, to win this thing. Even though they're 10 or 11 on the ballot. We're positioned, I think, in a really good spot. I'm the only rural conservative in this race and there's about 11 out of 14 counties in this district that are considered rural areas. And so, you know, the folks are speaking out. As I said earlier, people are just tired of political, political elites telling them from the top down how they should live, how they should think, who can go to work, who can't, who's going to make a living, who, who's not. And so they just want a regular guy to be able to go up to D.C. and listen to them and say what they would say, do what they would do and vote the way they would vote if they were sitting in the chair.
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Well, that's what the idea of the people's House was from our constitutional framers. So that's a really interesting take on it. Representative Jody Barrett, thank you so much for joining us. Good luck on your stretch run of the campaign. We'll check in with you again soon and have a great weekend. Even though it's only Thursday, but have a great weekend. I know you'll be working, but have a great weekend.
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Thank you, sir. You have a great day.
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Yes. Welcome back, everyone. That is checkers with a Q. You Americans insist on spelling it with C and K. This is where President Trump is right now meeting with Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Love their traditions. That's a lovely, lovely home. I wonder what that would be valued at even in British money. Welcome back. Joining us right now on Real America's Voices, Real America's Voice contributor Emily Finn. And you know, I want to talk about this, this move by ABC to suspend indefinitely and I don't know if he's ever going to get back on the air. Jimmy Kimmel and the Jimmy Kimmel Live program. There's a lot to talk about. There's a lot of different angles to talk about it. There's a lot of people standing up about censorship. But Emily, this is someone who's supposed to be funny, supposed to be a comedian. Now, I understand that the late night shows, even Johnny Carson once in a while had a politician as a guest, although they put those politicians on to make jokes, not to make political statements. But Emily, this is someone who's supposed to make us laugh and decided to rub salt in the wounds of millions of Americans who are really, really still hurting about Charlie Kirk. And he didn't just make fun of them, he accused them of being behind the death of this person that they're mourning. I mean, obviously that's not funny. But how could anyone ever watch someone on TV like that ever again if they're hurting from this? And that's millions of people. I mean, it's as simple as that, isn't it?
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It is as simple as that. Millions of people. I must admit, Jake, I really have heard nothing about Jimmy Kimmel even in recent years. So I guess he hasn't been funny for a long time. And he probably was just trying to get attention with having some kind of a response to this. I mean, this is the biggest story that has been people have been talking about it all over the world. Actually. They've been mentioning Charlie Kirk's name and saying that what happened to him was absolutely horrific. No one has any other take other than that it was an absolute tragedy. And so for Jimmy Kimmel to poke fun at it or to try to belittle the situation or say that the people who supported Charlie and are mourning his death are somehow in the wrong, I just, I don't know what he expected. Of course there was going to be a negative response to all of that. I think you're right, Jake. I don't think that there is a chance that he's going to be back on TV anytime soon.
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Yeah, you said it all with your first comment that you hadn't really heard anything about Jimmy Kimmel. I mean you have to understand that late night tv when it was first pitched to the repitched to the American public when Johnny Carson retired back in 1992, massive amounts of money went into that industry because young people like you were the key audience. I don't know any young person who watches any of these late night shows and I haven't for 20 years. This was killed off by YouTube and online viewing. These audiences skew a lot older and there's just no justification for the kind of money that they garner, especially if you're not gonna be funny.
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I was reading an article recently saying that some of these late night talk show comedian TV host guys are now starting to have to host multiple shows as they have game shows that they're hosting too, just to be able to justify why they're getting paid so much money to, to be in that position. So I think that we're really going to see a death of this. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel may be the first, you know, of the rest of them to go. Young people are not getting their entertainment or their comedy or commentary on news of the day from these late night TV show hosts that they have so many more options with social media, with the people that have podcasts, with people like Real America's Voice, like our shows. I just, if it wasn't going to happen now, it was going to happen later. So I think he kind of just did it to himself with his comments about Charlie Kirk.
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Yeah, I have a lot more, there's so much more to talk about this, but this is what President Trump just threw up. A true social here posted it. He's calling it a ratings challenge show. So we've hit that comment already. That part of it he says it's canceled. I don't know about that. I certainly think he is. And they're waiting to make that announcement. So I don't think President Trump is jumping the gun too much there, but there you go. And now he's urging NBC to do the same. For those of you watching who are going to have a liberal friend or family member to say, this is cancel culture, it's not cancel culture. Dave Portnoy made a good point about this. Also overnight cancel culture is when you go back and look at someone's past tweets or something that they wanted to say privately and. And you try to nail them on that. This is someone who at the moment that this was the biggest story in America, looked at the face of the millions of Americans who were mourning and said, no, it's your fault. I mean, really, honestly imagine that that's not cancel culture. That's responding to something that somebody did that alienates him from millions of people in the audience. It's as simple as that. There's nothing nefarious here. There's nothing First Amendment involved here. This is just a business saying, we don't want to continue giving you millions of dollars because you're hurting our business plan. It's as simple as that.
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I've seen so many people saying that the, the death of Charlie Kirk is just hitting them so hard. And I think it's because it really is a debate between good and evil. People who are celebrating this. You can just see the evil and you can feel it, and it's just. It's really, really, really horrible. And Jimmy Kimmel, of course, if he was on the wrong side of that debate, he was going to lose followers and he was going to lose his audience anyway if it was from a Charlie Kirk situation or something else. You can't fix someone who is that corrupted in their soul.
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Yeah. And being funny requires intelligence. Maybe just street smarts, but actually, the best comedians are usually very, very smart. They may not be the best people, but they're the best. They're pretty smart. And it was just incredibly stupid to do this. He's not smart enough to be funny. Emily Finn, thank you so much for joining us.
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Thank you, Jake.
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Let Tax Network USA handle your tax issues. Coming up, Jerome Powell and the Fed delivered a rate cut finally. But then he seemed to double down on the slow approach that's driving President Trump and a lot of businesses crazy. I'll have the latest on that when American Sunrise EARLY EDITION comes right back. Welcome back to AMERICAN SUNRISE EARLY edition. The folks in the control room are having a lot of fun with checkers and the way that it's spelled and the fact that it's not that fast food drive thru burger place. For those of you who live in certain cities that don't have checkers, check it out. Very popular among some, some people are very, very devoted to either checkers or sonic places like that. But that is where President Trump is right now, speaking with the Prime Minister of Great Britain, Keir Sarmer. Hopefully they're making some good deals for us. Let's take a look at where the markets are going to begin today. And look at that. Gonna be strong. I told you yesterday that when the Fed decision is made, often the markets move one way and then they move the other way the next day. I kind of was right about that. The Dow did rise yesterday, but The S&P 500 was completely flat. Not going to be flat today. Almost a 1% rally there, as you can see. And we're going to have a big jump. So we're going to hit all time highs at least at the open, I think for all three of the major indices. Crude oil creeping up there at the $64 barrel level, but again, relatively very low. Now let's take a look at bitcoin. Is bitcoin enjoying a little bit of a boost right now? And I don't think it is. Yeah, well, it is and I'm wrong. 117. So we're getting closer to that 120 window again for bitcoin or getting up to that area. So that's what's going on there. Hey, so Jerome Powell and the Fed did indeed cut rates. But then at his news conference, after the rate cut, Jerome Powell doubled down on the we're going to take it slow approach. He indicated maybe there won't be another rate cut until next year. So that was why The S&P 500, the broader market didn't really cheer all that much yesterday. It was flat. Why is it up this morning? I think it's because the markets are remembering. Oh, yeah. Jerome Powell is going to be out of this job by May of next year, maybe a little earlier. And there are new people on the Federal Reserve Board who do want more aggressive rate cutting. So maybe this is not the time to despair. I think that's what's going on in the markets this morning. A lot of other things happening, but there's your explanation. All right, ladies and gentlemen, start your engines. This is moving America. Sponsored by artillery tea company artilleryteaco.com use promo code LIBERTY for 20% off your order. Artillery Tea is all natural, whole leaf. The tea bags are chemical free and each teabag can be used twice. Artillery T Company is family and veteran, owned and operated, and a portion of your purchase goes to help veteran and first responder charities. Artilleryteaco.com promo code liberty for 20% off your order. I have one one quick auto story I want to get to today. Remember that cyber hack I told you about a couple of weeks ago that hit the assembly lines at Jaguar Land Rover? Well, it's been two weeks since that hack, a little bit more, and the assembly lines are still mostly halted. This is a huge story, a lot of people missing out. I mean, a hack that's really shut them down for this long. And now here's another little wrinkle to this story. The hack has also left the company unable to accurately pinpoint where in the heck exactly there are 40,000 of their recently sold vehicles. In other words, these are vehicles that have been recently sold that they can't 100% know whether they're en route to the dealer, en route to the buyer, or already with the buyer, the whole thing. Now, obviously, they have an idea. They're not completely lost. They're not out somewhere in the middle of the ocean or the bottom of the sea. We get that. But not having that accurate information up to the date is a very valuable thing for them not to have. You know, you have your car, you think they don't know where it is? They know where it is. That's when they know when to email you about oil Changes or other things going on. This is a lot of money off the table for Land Rover. Jaguar, which is owned by an Indian company called Tata, they are not happy about this. They push back hard on the whole, we don't know where 40,000 cars are yesterday, but they also can't really pinpoint exactly where they are, and that is a loss of cash for them. All right, speaking of moving America and Artillery T, let's bring in Artillery T co founder Michael Britton. And, Michael, I know you guys at Artillery T had a relationship with Charlie Kirk. One of the reasons why we wanted to speak to you live and in person this week. Can you tell me a little bit about that and just what he meant to you guys over there at Artillery T?
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Yeah, sure, Jake. It's, you know, it's honestly hard to believe we're even talking about this still, right? Like, it's been a week already. It feels like it still happened again yesterday. But Charlie was an absolute titan of not only our movement for maga, but also for the case of Christ. He was always pointing people to Christ. And I know we've taken a lot on our side of, you know, how quiet have we been about our faith? Like, how can we do things differently and be more like he was? Um, but Charlie, individually, he actually found our company really early on. This was probably two years ago now. We've only been around for three years. And so before anyone knew who we were, Charlie found us, and his team reached out to us, and he wanted to do ads. He wanted to do content for us. He wanted to help us grow. He knew we were bootstrapping this company. It's just us three brothers, right? And he knew it was family run and. And operated and that we all have young families. And so, yeah, he. He did a few videos for us. He did a few video ads. He did. He did a lot of stuff for, you know, let's say, like. Like a better rate than he usually does things for. So he was. He was really trying to help us out. And so it means something to us on our end that. That Charlie found this idea early and that he loved it. And he. He really believed in the company and believed in the idea. And so, you know, Jake, with. You know, with. With God's grace will be a small part of carrying on Charlie's legacy and. And hopefully continuing to build this company.
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Hey, so I have one of those promos that Charlie Kirk did for you just to prove what you're saying is true. Let's check it out. At least some of It. Check it out.
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Yeah, that looks like a. I mean, it's so sad. And at the same time, there's something to be really proud of that he went and went to bat for you guys. Just, again, I think, also something else to remember. Look, Charlie Kirk was also a capitalist. He's a Christian, was a conservative, but he understood that being a capitalist was. Is the. Is the bedrock of both those things. You can't really do if you don't believe in, I would say, meritocracy. If you don't believe in judging people by their acts and their work and whether they're successful at it or not, and whether they need to move on to something else that they're not, then all the other things he's talking about don't work either, do they?
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Yeah, that's right. I think he saw our company, saw how different it was, and so I know there's. There's no other company doing what we're doing even still today. And so I think that really stuck out to him and made him want to partner with us. He does use the product or. Yeah, he does use the product. He. He is a tea drinker. And so, you know, having us be providing, like, the products that we are and something so unique and also partnering with veterans and first responder charities. I know he worked with a lot of companies that did that. And so I think for all those reasons, yeah, we kind of caught his attention really early. I mean, yeah, we were. What surprised me was that we were so small when he found us. I mean, I'm not even sure how he did find us.
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Michael, are you planning on doing anything going forward to honor Charlie?
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Yeah, you know, I got this idea from a customer yesterday, so I'll give credit to them, but I know his go to tea drink in general, like when he was out on the road was a mint majesty at Starbucks with two honeys. And so we really want to start developing something like that and kind of coming out with a blend that would be more applicable to his legacy and just in kind of an honoring way.
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Oh, I like that idea. Especially if you can replace Starbucks on anything. That's fantastic.
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Right.
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Michael Britton, thank you so much for joining us. Not an easy time, but I'm really glad you had that relationship with Charlie and he was able to help you out and that you're repaying that going forward. So thank you so much.
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Thanks, Jake.
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Coming up, I'm going to talk to an expert about how social media and AI can now be fueling the extremism America, the kind of extremism that took Charlie Kirk's life. American Sunrise, early edition. We'll be right back. So there's our live shot right now outside the residence at Checkers in Great Britain. But let's go to Brian Glenn, our chief White House correspondent here on Real America's Voice. Brian, you know him. He's the guy who gets all the good questions in to President Trump. Brian, tell us what's going on there right now, what we can expect today.
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Okay. Good morning, Jake. I'm on the other side of Checkers. As you can see, that is the backside of what you were looking at earlier. And right over here is a tent where they're about to have a roundtable with President Trump and others. This is before their official press conference, which is a little bit later this morning. But let me turn, this is such beautiful country and I want our viewers at home to know exactly where I'm at. That goes out towards the, the back of this property. And it was, it was pretty ironic, one of the photographers jokingly said as we walked up, see those steps right there? Those steps are older than our entire country. Is so much history, Jake, in this neck of the, of the world. But, you know, yesterday it was all about the pageantry, the royal family, the British welcoming for President Trump. But today it's all about business inside that tent. And also a little bit later today, the press conference between Prime Minister Starmer and President Trump.
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You know, Brian, by British standards, that is an extremely sunny day there. How are they standing it? Are they wearing umbrellas? Are they, this is, this is like better weather than you usually see. How are they standing it? But it looks like it's beautiful there. Actually, by British standards.
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No, it's, it's beautiful. And actually earlier today, we took a Chinook helicopter from Windsor Castle to this property. It's about 15 minute helicopter ride. Originally, they had canceled it because of weather. Low, low ceiling, a little bit of light rain. The clouds lifted, the rain went away as we were able to take that helicopter to this property, but oddly enough, it's been a very British weather so far. Let me see if I can turn it around this way. Just beautiful countryside this, this part of the world. It has so much history, as as many of your viewers know. And really, you know, we saw the, the, the videos of the protest over the last couple of days. So I got to be honest with you, I've been watching a lot of local news here every morning, and I think people are somewhat supportive of him being here right now. They know the importance of the United States as far as the economic, the economy here. I mean, inflation here is 3.8%. So they've had, they have had some rocky economic times, but they see President Trump as a leader and businessman. They're hoping to get a little closer to negotiations and have a little bit more friendlier relationship and can help them out economically.
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Well, I'm glad you're confirming what I thought it did absolutely. Feel like much, much less protest against President Trump than in his previous visits. That's undeniable. Brian. Brian Glenn, you're on the ground there for us as you always are. We're going to check back in with you throughout the day. Thank you so much for joining us. And get that forearm arrest from that, from your camera there. Give yourself a rest.
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You got it. Thank you.
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All right, thanks, Brian. Hey, joining us right now is attorney and tech policy expert Ann Lieb Schutz. And, Ann, you are the perfect person for us to talk about what's going on in America right now, because it really looks like the 22 year old who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk and so many other radicalized young people in America today have been aided and abetted on that journey by people using online. And now you say even AI platforms and tools. Tell us a little bit about that, Ann.
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Sure. Well, we've always had instances where an individual or a small group can be influenced, be radicalized. But now, due to enabling technologies, things can happen much more rapidly and on a bigger scale. So I'm going to borrow a term from patent law, and it's called enablement. So let's look at these platforms and what they are and just how there's some enablement because of them. You have your social media tools, such as your social media platforms such as TikTok and Instagram, and you also have what I'll call community and communication tools such as Discord and Telegram. And there's technologies that drive these and enable these, that allow for some of these activities to happen. So I'm going to separate them by their traits and their functions. So first with social media you've got proprietary algorithms that can really drive information both to the masses, into individuals. And that's an important point because you can instantly amplify a message to a large global community. But then here's where the technology enablement happens. These proprietary algorithms that are very sophisticated can track, target and continue to feed information to an individual. They're very good at selecting content to drive messages and sometimes those messages are deceptive information, wrong information. Then you have your community and communication tools here. This is where you instantly can create global communities of like minded people. Sometimes those include vulnerable populations, vulnerable individuals, and you can, you know, isolate them inside a community, bring a community around them where there's an echo chamber and all of a sudden there's a disconnect from reality and the only reality is the information they're receiving again and again inside these communities. So you've got these platforms and they almost go into two different functions. Both the social media that have proprietary algorithms that can drive home messaging and communities where you can disconnect people from what is truly reality.
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You know, again, we're speaking to tech expert and attorney Ann Leibch. And Ann, this is all extra frightening because young people, especially teens, have been shown to be much more susceptible even to the old school influences that used to be just on regular TV. I remember when my daughter, who had never seen TV commercials before, saw her first commercial at age 3, I think it was for steel belted radios. And she came to tell me how excited she was about it. She didn't even know what it was. So this is extra frightening because you're telling me that there's sophisticated technology we didn't have 10, 20 years ago that can really pinpoint these young people as targets.
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Yes, that is, that is, that is what makes these so effective. They understand how to serve very specific content to the user that is seeking that. And the more the user use it, the better the algorithm learns you. It can target information. And then another element of the AI is content can be generated faster, rapidly. Images can be created that look and appear real. So all of a sudden, what seems like false information, deceptive information, information that's designed to deceive and it appears real to the person in that platform.
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And I want to talk about the TikTok deal, because speaking of young people, TikTok is, is the number, I think it's the number one media entity for young people in America. And the deal that's been made to keep it operating here in the United States. Looks like again, and not, not signed on and dot on the dotted line yet. But it looks like we're going to get that full American ownership of it that President Trump wants. But I have to tell you, and I don't think that that necessarily protects anyone, we have fully American owned social media platforms that aren't TikTok that have been shown to be doing some of these things. Your talking about this doesn't give me any real peace of mind. How about you?
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Well, you know, it's interesting. This is a, this is, you know, citing TikTok is a real appropriate transition from the first topic to, to this topic because it's a common denominator on both. But it wasn't just that TikTok was a Chinese company. It was also that when it came online, it was actually the best in what it did. Its algorithms could reach people, grab people, serve up information, target information, and bring people down rabbit holes and just serve them again and again and again the information that takes them into a really dark place. So whether those are societal concerns of what, you know, we've seen these past weeks, or behavioral concerns, taking people that are sick and putting them in bad places in their own mental health, but the TikTok algorithm was the best at what he did. It did. While all the others have caught up now. So then you take the second element is that it was a Chinese companies. So not only are they able to reach everybody, they are able to learn the entire US User population and be able to use that ability to serve up Americans. What it, what, what it potentially the Chinese government wanted to serve to Americans. So whether this, will this deal make a difference in terms of securing, you know, of creating security so that TikTok can be deployed in the United States and we don't have security concerns. That's where it's going. Essentially what's going to happen is there's going to be a US entity that owns the operations of TikTok, 80% controlled by US entities and a US board member. And all of the US user data, all of it should sit in the United States and be entirely controlled with no oversight, no connections to any entities outside the United States.
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All right, that's, that is a little bit more comforting. Finally, I want to ask you, Ann Liebschutz, I want to take a 30,000 foot view of just media in general because one of the things that's really interesting to me is the Ellison family and what's happened just in the last couple of weeks with the potential for them to really consolidate a massive amount of media power and influence. You had David Ellison, Larry Ellison's son, closing that deal to buy Paramount. It's now called Paramount Skydance, which of course includes CBS and Paramount Pictures and of course, CBS News. Then you had Oracle shares soaring 30% higher last week in one day, putting hundreds of billions of dollars more in the pocket of Larry Ellison, David's father, and in the family in general. So they're bidding on buying Warner Brothers, those movie studios and all those properties, including CNN. And now we find out as part of this TikTok deal that Oracle is going to play a big role in that ownership and also controlling that cloud, that algorithm, some of that inner, inner, inner guts of that. I want to ask you a question, though, as frightening as that may be to some people, that the Ellisons will have this much potential influence over all these different properties. Compare that to Google, which in my mind is still more powerful in its ability to frame media and content and throughout the whole world. But is this a potential competitor to that if they can really consolidate all of these entities?
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Well, look, Jake, you're targeting. You're in on the right question. You're smart to connect the issues of the TikTok deal and Oracle and the recent media acquisitions and mergers. I'm gonna. While you mentioned Google, let me throw something out. Google. YouTube is actually the largest TV network in recent months. They have the most media viewers. So here you have. You have Oracle, owned by the Ellisons, that is now going to control TikTok, which has the potential to also quickly, globally become the biggest TV network in terms of also being able to put TV content out. And you have the merger of traditional media between the acquisition of Paramount, cbs, and possibly Warner Brothers, which owns networks like cnn. So you are correct. We have a merger of media that is online, traditional media. And the Most rapidly growing TV viewership is happening on YouTube platforms, which can be happening on TikTok platforms. So we really are seeing a massive media merger here. So it's not only the technology issues, but also will we see antitrust issues come out of this. And that's definitely something to track and follow.
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I appreciate it, and I feel better knowing that you will be tracking and following it. And Lieb Schutz, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on again. Keep your eyes open. Please save us from the tech monsters out there. All right, thank you so much. All right, big things are happening in America. And amac, the association of Mature American Citizens, is Standing with you while the media spins. AMAC is giving you the truth, the benefits and the voice you deserve. Right now you can join amac for just $1 for a full year of membership. That's right, just $1 to be part of the fastest growing conservative organization in the nation. Don't wait. Go to AMAC US POTUS today. That's AMAC US $1, one year, one strong voice for America coming up. I want to talk about what the Jimmy Kimmel suspension tells us about the media industry right now with my favorite fellow media industry expert, David Brody. He joins us next here on American Sunriser, Early Edition. Stay with us. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, everybody. I want, I want a reporter. Hey, crime, look, that's the Union Jack. I understand that if you waive the Union Jack at particular parts of Great Britain, you can be arrested. That's actually happened. So wait a minute. I don't understand. Why are they putting out the Union Jack flags here? I'm being facetious, but I'm pretty angry about that. The fact that people in Britain who have been carrying the flag have been arrested a number of times recently, but they pull it out here from when President Trump visits and he's doing an official state visit and now meet meeting with Prime Minister Keir Starmer who is backing those arrests for free speech. Just unbelievable stuff. Of course, that's arrests here in the United States. Someone who used his free speech very, very unwisely isn't getting arrested. The free market is just completely rejecting him. That's what's happened with Jimmy Kimmel. He played a stupid game and now he's won a stupid prize. I want to bring in David Brody who understands the news media and the general media business very well. And David, I want everyone to understand something. The late night wars that started 33 years ago or so when Johnny Carson was about to retire. And a lot of us at the time, I was a senior in college, I was shocked by how much money they were offering David Letterman. And then of course, it was a Jay Lenner, that fight between them and Arsenio Hall. And then I was educated and I was told that the reason why so much money flowed into those properties was because the late night audience skewed younger. And advertisers are always desperate for that college age to 25, 35 year old audience. Okay, that was my education. Here's the thing, David. The late night audiences have been skewing older now for more than 20 years. There's been no justification for the kind of money they've been pouring into them. I think there's something else involved with that. And Jimmy Kimmel, whatever, justified that money, Jimmy Kimmel has finally unjustified it, made it completely useless. That's what's going on here. It's not really about politics. It's about money. This guy is not valuable anymore. And whatever value he had left, he probably ruined.
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Yeah, that's such great points. And it's all obsolete at this point. I mean, it's going to become obsolete. Stephen Colbert gone. It'll just be a matter of time before Kimmel and Fallon and Seth Meyers and all these people are pretty much gone. I mean, we know the deal. It's podcasts are where it's at. The young, young demos are going there. So the Trump administration, or excuse me, the Trump campaign figured that out in 2024 and rode that in part to victory. So that train is left to station on the Kimmel thing. Let me just say, can the liberals stop with First Amendment rights? This is a private employer saying you can't say that you're done. I mean, it's contractual. It's employment and contract law. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment because the government's not involved. So therefore, unless Jake, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right, that this is a private employer doing they deem fit in the situation. And oh, by the way, let's be honest, the last thing ABC News needs is another lawsuit by anybody at this point. And Jimmy Kimmel wasn't just skirting the line. He may have indeed crossed over into defamation territory.
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Yeah. And just, you know, I mean, it's one of those things, how can you laugh at a guy who's made fun of your sorrow? It just doesn't make, it's not. Well, why even go plan?
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Yeah. Why even go politics? I mean, why do this? It doesn't make it Johnny Car. Take it. Take advice from Johnny Carson who said, stop, do it. You know what? You know, if you're going to do it, do it to both sides, but have fun with it. Don't make it so mean and vindictive. And that's exactly what they've done.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, we're going to talk a lot more about this here on Real America's Voice today, starting with the next two hours of our American Sunrise program. Also, be talking a little bit more about the business aspect of this with David in the 9am hour. So join us for that American Sunrise early edition. Will be back tomorrow at seven I'm taking attendance, so please show up on time. See you then. This is an I heart podcast.