Real America's Voice Live with Steve Gruber – December 9th, 2025

Main Theme / Overview

On this episode, Steve Gruber delves into the state of American politics, government fraud, border security, and cultural issues. The show features pointed criticism of Democratic leadership, deep dives into high-profile fraud scandals (especially in Minnesota), border crime and sanctuary policies, regulatory reform with the PERMIT Act, and cultural battles on college campuses. Interviews with Congressman Mike Collins (GA) and Congressman Mark Harris (NC) provide a legislative and local perspective, while guests Chuck Flynn and Dr. Jeff Myers discuss government accountability and academic freedom. The tone is urgent, direct, patriotic, and unapologetically skeptical of Democratic governance.

Episode Structure & Key Discussions

Opening: Steve Gruber sets the agenda with the day’s pressing political topics.
Segment 1: Fraud scandals among Democrats, with a focus on Minnesota.
Segment 2: Interview with Rep. Mike Collins on the PERMIT Act & federal regulation.
Segment 3: Deep dive into the Minnesota fraud scandal with Chuck Flynn.
Segment 4: Sanctuary cities, violent crime, and border security; interview with Rep. Mark Harris.
Segment 5: Free speech and Christian students on campus; interview with Dr. Jeff Myers.
Segment 6: Positive note – Navy’s Rapid Capability and American innovation.

Detailed Segment Summaries

Fraud in the Democratic Party and the Minnesota Scandal

Key Points:

Gruber claims the Democratic party exhibits a pattern of large-scale fraud, citing recent scandals, especially in Minnesota's Somali community and around Governor Tim Walz.
Cites massive financial losses: “Billions of dollars lost to fraud. Many calling on Tim Walz to be held accountable. He should resign. But he won’t, of course.” (01:16)
Criticizes Democrats for excusing or ignoring fraud if it serves their agenda: “Any amount of fraud is no big deal as long as it furthers the agenda.” (03:13)
Notable Quote: “An entire party built on fraud. In fact, I’d argue we’ve been covering the ridiculous amount of fraud to the tune of billions of dollars committed by the Somalian community in Minnesota, all under the nose of Governor Tim Walz, who defends it, by the way...” (02:20)
References Rep. Ilhan Omar's remarks equating forced cultural assimilation to Nazi Germany and how this distracts from policy failures:
- Ilhan Omar: “...it reminds me of the way the Nazis described Jewish people in Germany.” (04:16)
- Steve Gruber response: “CBS’s Margaret Brennan could not wait to tear up for that one. This is how they distract from the ruinous policies, but I’m not going to let them get away with it.” (05:08)
Discusses CMS action: Minnesota given “60 days” to address fraud or face funding consequences (Dr. Oz, CMS Administrator): “...fix this in 60 days or start looking under your couch for spare change...” (05:33)

Timestamps:

01:16 — Introduction to Minnesota fraud and Democrat party criticism
03:13 — Gruber details Democratic response and Ilhan Omar controversy
05:33 — CMS ultimatum to Walz

Small Business Administration (SBA) & Federal Contract Fraud

Key Points:

Small Business Administration’s 8A program cited as a prime example of “DEI slush fund,” waste, and systemic fraud.
Describes “no-bid contracts, bribery, and fake minority-owned businesses” exploiting the 8A provision.
Trump’s SBA, led by Kelly Loeffler, now auditing 15 years of contracts to curtail fraud.
Feature clip from James O’Keefe exposing Native American communities being used as fronts for fraudulent contracts:
- “All the things that were created for us, we don’t benefit from all this money that you see.” (11:05)
Bottom line: Gruber insists Democrats are “fine with fraud if it furthers their agenda,” further citing fundraising irregularities at ActBlue.

Timestamps:

07:50 — SBA 8A program and government contract fraud
11:05 — O’Keefe report on Native American misappropriations

The Permit Act: Regulatory Reform and Federal Overreach

Guest: Congressman Mike Collins (GA-10)

Key Points:

Collins introduces the PERMIT Act to “streamline permitting for infrastructure and energy projects by narrowing which waterways qualify for federal oversight.” (15:07)
Collins and Gruber agree that Obama/Biden-era definitions for “waters of the U.S.” were government overreaches hurting small farms and ranches.
Collins argues reduced federal overreach will “make life more affordable for the American people,” and streamline economic development:
- “All we’re doing is making the federal government more efficient and more productive.” (16:35)
Infrastructure bottleneck analogy (Gruber): “During World War II, we built the Alaskan Highway...1,700 miles...8 months, 12 days. We build a road now, it takes 10 years, 12 years, 15 years. That’s absolutely unacceptable...” (18:58)
Collins confident about “common sense” bipartisan support: “I feel very confident that we’re going to be able to get bipartisan support on this...” (20:52)

Notable Quotes:

Collins: “Time is up for that. We’re going to change the way that the federal government works.” (20:07)
Gruber: “You’re doing something kind of rare in Washington. You’re applying common sense, Congressman.” (17:35)

Timestamps:

15:07 — Intro to PERMIT act segment
16:03 — Rep. Collins joins: discussion on regulatory overreach
18:58 — Gruber’s WWII analogy and road construction delays
20:52 — Bipartisan support for PERMIT Act

Minnesota Fraud Deep Dive: Guest Interview with Chuck Flynn

Guest: Chuck Flynn, CEO, Alliance for IRS Accountability

Key Points:

Gruber and Flynn detail the magnitude of the fraud ($1-8+ billion in estimated losses), especially within programs for the homeless, housing assistance, and autism support.
Flynn alleges “money from these scams is suspected to have gone overseas...to support the terrorist group Al Shabaab.” (24:25)
Points out that IRS, not local government, uncovered the fraud. Strong implication that Governor Walz and Rep. Ilhan Omar have personal/professional ties to key beneficiaries.
Flynn highlights how money is funneled overseas using Western Union, making it difficult to trace.

Notable Quotes:

Flynn: “This was actually discovered by the IRS Criminal Division over the summer...87 folks have been charged, of those 78 are Somali.” (25:47)
“Of that population [Somalis in MN], approximately 75% are on welfare services.” (26:14)

Timestamps:

24:25 — Minnesota Somali-led fraud, billions implicated
25:47 — Flynn details investigation and indictments
27:19 — Political ties and money flow overseas

Sanctuary Cities, Crime & Border Security

Guest: Congressman Mark Harris (NC)

Key Points:

Discussion of violent crime on Charlotte’s light rail attributed to illegal immigrants with repeated criminal records and multiple deportations.
Critique of sanctuary policies for fostering environments where “criminal illegal aliens” can repeatedly re-enter and re-offend.
Gruber: “Charlotte’s city council voted to spend $3 million on marketing for the light rail to appear safer, but none was spent on actual safety measures.” (31:18)
Harris recounts recent stabbing incident and describes public demand for real safety, not “PR campaigns.”
Political consequences: “My hope is that it’s going to impact the race by continuing to show the difference between the Trump administration, who has been about law and order...” (36:54)
Fentanyl and drug boat interdiction discussed: communities strongly support interdiction efforts.
- “If they have to hit them a second time, hit them a second time...We made a commitment that we were going to stop allowing these cartels to get this poison into our systems here in the United States.” (38:36)

Timestamps:

31:18 — Crime and illegal immigration in Charlotte
32:31 — Rep. Harris on recent stabbing, systemic issues
36:54 — Political ramifications
38:36 — Fentanyl, drug trafficking, and interdiction stance

Free Speech and Christian Students on Campus

Guest: Dr. Jeff Myers, President of Summit Ministries

Key Points:

Case spotlight: Samantha Fulnecki, a University of Oklahoma pre-med student, received a 'zero' for writing an essay on gender ideology from a Christian perspective.
Gruber and Myers argue this reflects a wider trend of suppression of conservative and Christian beliefs in higher education.
- Myers: “Two thirds of college students have said that they have faked a belief in what their professor is saying in order to get by in a class.” (42:10)
Criticize lack of First Amendment respect in academia, even at red-state or nominally Christian institutions.
Myers calls such classroom practices “academic abuse.” (44:22)
Gruber notes: “Harvard was founded by Puritans, Princeton by Presbyterians...all of these Christian universities that have long since abandoned their principles...” (44:49)

Notable Quotes:

Gruber: “We live in America where the First Amendment of the United States Constitution is foundational. It’s the envy of the world.” (43:11)
Myers: “This is an issue...because everybody is frustrated with the fact that academic exercises are now turned into these feeling sessions that students get worked over for holding certain beliefs when they’re asked to express those beliefs.” (45:16)

Timestamps:

40:49 — Introduction to campus free speech case
42:10 — Myers on self-censorship in academia
44:22 — The problem of 'reaction papers'
45:16 — Closing thoughts on the state of higher education

What Makes America Wonderful: Rapid Capabilities & Navy Industry Partnerships

Key Points:

Features correspondents David Zier and Benny Ray Harmony attending the Department of the Navy’s Rapid Capability Office Industry Day.
Discussion on Trump administration’s push to cut defense procurement red tape, support public-private partnerships, and accelerate innovation.
Ray Harmony praises leadership for their drive and accessibility.

Notable Quotes:

Zier: “Their goal is to cooperate with private industry...to develop new weapons and defense systems and get from instead of PowerPoint to prototype, getting prototypes out, getting production out.” (49:05)

Timestamps:

48:15 — “What Makes America Wonderful” segment
49:05 — Zier & Harmony on Navy event

Most Notable Quotes & Moments (with timestamps)

On Democratic leadership and fraud:

“Any amount of fraud is no big deal as long as it furthers the agenda.” — Steve Gruber (03:13)

On Ilhan Omar & assimilation:

“...it reminds me of the way the Nazis described Jewish people in Germany.” — Rep. Ilhan Omar (04:16)

On bureaucratic overreach:

“You’re doing something kind of rare in Washington. You’re applying common sense, Congressman.” — Steve Gruber to Rep. Collins (17:35)
“Time is up for that. We’re going to change the way that the federal government works.” — Rep. Mike Collins (20:07)

On college campus censorship:

“Two thirds of college students have said that they have faked a belief in what their professor is saying in order to get by in a class.” — Dr. Jeff Myers (42:10)
“It is academic abuse.” — Dr. Jeff Myers (44:22)

On border crime and public safety:

“If they have to hit them a second time, hit them a second time...We made a commitment that we were going to stop allowing these cartels to get this poison into our systems here in the United States.” — Rep. Mark Harris (38:36)

Flow, Tone, and Style

Tone: Blunt, urgent, and adversarial towards Democratic policy and leadership.
Language: Patriotic, assertive, and at times combative; speaks directly to “America’s taxpayers” and “real Americans.”
The show relies heavily on connecting national scandals to local policy, emphasizing personal impact and spotlighting whistleblowers, local officials, and congressional guests.
Gruber's style is direct with frequent calls for accountability and transparency, using historical analogies and current events to demand reform.

Segment Timestamps Overview

00:35 - Show intro & stories preview
01:16 - Fraud in the Democrat Party & Minnesota focus
03:13 - Ilhan Omar/Nazi reference & assimilation debate
05:33 - CMS ultimatum on MN fraud
07:50 - SBA/8A program & contracting fraud
11:05 - James O’Keefe Native American investigation
15:07 - PERMIT Act intro & Rep. Mike Collins interview
20:52 - Discussion on bipartisan support
24:25 - Minnesota fraud deep dive with Chuck Flynn
31:18 - Charlotte light rail crime/illegal immigration issue
32:31 - Rep. Mark Harris on local impact
36:54 - Political impact in NC
38:36 - Drug boat interdiction stance
40:49 - College faith discrimination case
42:10 - Jeff Myers on academic self-censorship
45:16 - Final thoughts on education
48:15 - What Makes America Wonderful: Navy event

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode delivers a critical, energetic exploration of how government fraud, regulatory overreach, border failures, and woke educational norms undermine American values and public interest. Through interviews, news breakdowns, and personal testimony, Gruber and his guests paint a picture of a nation at a crossroads—calling on ordinary Americans to demand true accountability, common sense reforms, and a renewed commitment to constitutional freedoms.

All timestamps in MM:SS format refer to the raw episode transcript.

Real America's Voice Live with Steve Gruber – December 9th, 2025

Main Theme / Overview

Episode Structure & Key Discussions

Opening: Steve Gruber sets the agenda with the day’s pressing political topics.
Segment 1: Fraud scandals among Democrats, with a focus on Minnesota.
Segment 2: Interview with Rep. Mike Collins on the PERMIT Act & federal regulation.
Segment 3: Deep dive into the Minnesota fraud scandal with Chuck Flynn.
Segment 4: Sanctuary cities, violent crime, and border security; interview with Rep. Mark Harris.
Segment 5: Free speech and Christian students on campus; interview with Dr. Jeff Myers.
Segment 6: Positive note – Navy’s Rapid Capability and American innovation.

Detailed Segment Summaries

Fraud in the Democratic Party and the Minnesota Scandal

Key Points:

Gruber claims the Democratic party exhibits a pattern of large-scale fraud, citing recent scandals, especially in Minnesota's Somali community and around Governor Tim Walz.
Cites massive financial losses: “Billions of dollars lost to fraud. Many calling on Tim Walz to be held accountable. He should resign. But he won’t, of course.” (01:16)
Criticizes Democrats for excusing or ignoring fraud if it serves their agenda: “Any amount of fraud is no big deal as long as it furthers the agenda.” (03:13)
Notable Quote: “An entire party built on fraud. In fact, I’d argue we’ve been covering the ridiculous amount of fraud to the tune of billions of dollars committed by the Somalian community in Minnesota, all under the nose of Governor Tim Walz, who defends it, by the way...” (02:20)
References Rep. Ilhan Omar's remarks equating forced cultural assimilation to Nazi Germany and how this distracts from policy failures:
- Ilhan Omar: “...it reminds me of the way the Nazis described Jewish people in Germany.” (04:16)
- Steve Gruber response: “CBS’s Margaret Brennan could not wait to tear up for that one. This is how they distract from the ruinous policies, but I’m not going to let them get away with it.” (05:08)
Discusses CMS action: Minnesota given “60 days” to address fraud or face funding consequences (Dr. Oz, CMS Administrator): “...fix this in 60 days or start looking under your couch for spare change...” (05:33)

Timestamps:

01:16 — Introduction to Minnesota fraud and Democrat party criticism
03:13 — Gruber details Democratic response and Ilhan Omar controversy
05:33 — CMS ultimatum to Walz

Small Business Administration (SBA) & Federal Contract Fraud

Key Points:

Small Business Administration’s 8A program cited as a prime example of “DEI slush fund,” waste, and systemic fraud.
Describes “no-bid contracts, bribery, and fake minority-owned businesses” exploiting the 8A provision.
Trump’s SBA, led by Kelly Loeffler, now auditing 15 years of contracts to curtail fraud.
Feature clip from James O’Keefe exposing Native American communities being used as fronts for fraudulent contracts:
- “All the things that were created for us, we don’t benefit from all this money that you see.” (11:05)
Bottom line: Gruber insists Democrats are “fine with fraud if it furthers their agenda,” further citing fundraising irregularities at ActBlue.

Timestamps:

07:50 — SBA 8A program and government contract fraud
11:05 — O’Keefe report on Native American misappropriations

The Permit Act: Regulatory Reform and Federal Overreach

Guest: Congressman Mike Collins (GA-10)

Key Points:

Collins introduces the PERMIT Act to “streamline permitting for infrastructure and energy projects by narrowing which waterways qualify for federal oversight.” (15:07)
Collins and Gruber agree that Obama/Biden-era definitions for “waters of the U.S.” were government overreaches hurting small farms and ranches.
Collins argues reduced federal overreach will “make life more affordable for the American people,” and streamline economic development:
- “All we’re doing is making the federal government more efficient and more productive.” (16:35)
Infrastructure bottleneck analogy (Gruber): “During World War II, we built the Alaskan Highway...1,700 miles...8 months, 12 days. We build a road now, it takes 10 years, 12 years, 15 years. That’s absolutely unacceptable...” (18:58)
Collins confident about “common sense” bipartisan support: “I feel very confident that we’re going to be able to get bipartisan support on this...” (20:52)

Notable Quotes:

Collins: “Time is up for that. We’re going to change the way that the federal government works.” (20:07)
Gruber: “You’re doing something kind of rare in Washington. You’re applying common sense, Congressman.” (17:35)

Timestamps:

15:07 — Intro to PERMIT act segment
16:03 — Rep. Collins joins: discussion on regulatory overreach
18:58 — Gruber’s WWII analogy and road construction delays
20:52 — Bipartisan support for PERMIT Act

Minnesota Fraud Deep Dive: Guest Interview with Chuck Flynn

Guest: Chuck Flynn, CEO, Alliance for IRS Accountability

Key Points:

Gruber and Flynn detail the magnitude of the fraud ($1-8+ billion in estimated losses), especially within programs for the homeless, housing assistance, and autism support.
Flynn alleges “money from these scams is suspected to have gone overseas...to support the terrorist group Al Shabaab.” (24:25)
Points out that IRS, not local government, uncovered the fraud. Strong implication that Governor Walz and Rep. Ilhan Omar have personal/professional ties to key beneficiaries.
Flynn highlights how money is funneled overseas using Western Union, making it difficult to trace.

Notable Quotes:

Flynn: “This was actually discovered by the IRS Criminal Division over the summer...87 folks have been charged, of those 78 are Somali.” (25:47)
“Of that population [Somalis in MN], approximately 75% are on welfare services.” (26:14)

Timestamps:

24:25 — Minnesota Somali-led fraud, billions implicated
25:47 — Flynn details investigation and indictments
27:19 — Political ties and money flow overseas

Sanctuary Cities, Crime & Border Security

Guest: Congressman Mark Harris (NC)

Key Points:

Discussion of violent crime on Charlotte’s light rail attributed to illegal immigrants with repeated criminal records and multiple deportations.
Critique of sanctuary policies for fostering environments where “criminal illegal aliens” can repeatedly re-enter and re-offend.
Gruber: “Charlotte’s city council voted to spend $3 million on marketing for the light rail to appear safer, but none was spent on actual safety measures.” (31:18)
Harris recounts recent stabbing incident and describes public demand for real safety, not “PR campaigns.”
Political consequences: “My hope is that it’s going to impact the race by continuing to show the difference between the Trump administration, who has been about law and order...” (36:54)
Fentanyl and drug boat interdiction discussed: communities strongly support interdiction efforts.
- “If they have to hit them a second time, hit them a second time...We made a commitment that we were going to stop allowing these cartels to get this poison into our systems here in the United States.” (38:36)

Timestamps:

31:18 — Crime and illegal immigration in Charlotte
32:31 — Rep. Harris on recent stabbing, systemic issues
36:54 — Political ramifications
38:36 — Fentanyl, drug trafficking, and interdiction stance

Free Speech and Christian Students on Campus

Guest: Dr. Jeff Myers, President of Summit Ministries

Key Points:

Case spotlight: Samantha Fulnecki, a University of Oklahoma pre-med student, received a 'zero' for writing an essay on gender ideology from a Christian perspective.
Gruber and Myers argue this reflects a wider trend of suppression of conservative and Christian beliefs in higher education.
- Myers: “Two thirds of college students have said that they have faked a belief in what their professor is saying in order to get by in a class.” (42:10)
Criticize lack of First Amendment respect in academia, even at red-state or nominally Christian institutions.
Myers calls such classroom practices “academic abuse.” (44:22)
Gruber notes: “Harvard was founded by Puritans, Princeton by Presbyterians...all of these Christian universities that have long since abandoned their principles...” (44:49)

Notable Quotes:

Gruber: “We live in America where the First Amendment of the United States Constitution is foundational. It’s the envy of the world.” (43:11)
Myers: “This is an issue...because everybody is frustrated with the fact that academic exercises are now turned into these feeling sessions that students get worked over for holding certain beliefs when they’re asked to express those beliefs.” (45:16)

Timestamps:

40:49 — Introduction to campus free speech case
42:10 — Myers on self-censorship in academia
44:22 — The problem of 'reaction papers'
45:16 — Closing thoughts on the state of higher education

What Makes America Wonderful: Rapid Capabilities & Navy Industry Partnerships

Key Points:

Features correspondents David Zier and Benny Ray Harmony attending the Department of the Navy’s Rapid Capability Office Industry Day.
Discussion on Trump administration’s push to cut defense procurement red tape, support public-private partnerships, and accelerate innovation.
Ray Harmony praises leadership for their drive and accessibility.

Notable Quotes:

Zier: “Their goal is to cooperate with private industry...to develop new weapons and defense systems and get from instead of PowerPoint to prototype, getting prototypes out, getting production out.” (49:05)

Timestamps:

48:15 — “What Makes America Wonderful” segment
49:05 — Zier & Harmony on Navy event

Most Notable Quotes & Moments (with timestamps)

On Democratic leadership and fraud:

“Any amount of fraud is no big deal as long as it furthers the agenda.” — Steve Gruber (03:13)

On Ilhan Omar & assimilation:

“...it reminds me of the way the Nazis described Jewish people in Germany.” — Rep. Ilhan Omar (04:16)

On bureaucratic overreach:

“You’re doing something kind of rare in Washington. You’re applying common sense, Congressman.” — Steve Gruber to Rep. Collins (17:35)
“Time is up for that. We’re going to change the way that the federal government works.” — Rep. Mike Collins (20:07)

On college campus censorship:

“Two thirds of college students have said that they have faked a belief in what their professor is saying in order to get by in a class.” — Dr. Jeff Myers (42:10)
“It is academic abuse.” — Dr. Jeff Myers (44:22)

On border crime and public safety:

“If they have to hit them a second time, hit them a second time...We made a commitment that we were going to stop allowing these cartels to get this poison into our systems here in the United States.” — Rep. Mark Harris (38:36)

Flow, Tone, and Style

Tone: Blunt, urgent, and adversarial towards Democratic policy and leadership.
Language: Patriotic, assertive, and at times combative; speaks directly to “America’s taxpayers” and “real Americans.”
The show relies heavily on connecting national scandals to local policy, emphasizing personal impact and spotlighting whistleblowers, local officials, and congressional guests.
Gruber's style is direct with frequent calls for accountability and transparency, using historical analogies and current events to demand reform.

Segment Timestamps Overview

00:35 - Show intro & stories preview
01:16 - Fraud in the Democrat Party & Minnesota focus
03:13 - Ilhan Omar/Nazi reference & assimilation debate
05:33 - CMS ultimatum on MN fraud
07:50 - SBA/8A program & contracting fraud
11:05 - James O’Keefe Native American investigation
15:07 - PERMIT Act intro & Rep. Mike Collins interview
20:52 - Discussion on bipartisan support
24:25 - Minnesota fraud deep dive with Chuck Flynn
31:18 - Charlotte light rail crime/illegal immigration issue
32:31 - Rep. Mark Harris on local impact
36:54 - Political impact in NC
38:36 - Drug boat interdiction stance
40:49 - College faith discrimination case
42:10 - Jeff Myers on academic self-censorship
45:16 - Final thoughts on education
48:15 - What Makes America Wonderful: Navy event

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

All timestamps in MM:SS format refer to the raw episode transcript.

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Real America's Voice Live with Steve Gruber – December 9th, 2025

Main Theme / Overview

Episode Structure & Key Discussions

Detailed Segment Summaries

Fraud in the Democratic Party and the Minnesota Scandal

Small Business Administration (SBA) & Federal Contract Fraud

The Permit Act: Regulatory Reform and Federal Overreach

Minnesota Fraud Deep Dive: Guest Interview with Chuck Flynn

Sanctuary Cities, Crime & Border Security

Free Speech and Christian Students on Campus

What Makes America Wonderful: Rapid Capabilities & Navy Industry Partnerships

Most Notable Quotes & Moments (with timestamps)

Flow, Tone, and Style

Segment Timestamps Overview

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

Summary

Real America's Voice Live with Steve Gruber – December 9th, 2025

Main Theme / Overview

Episode Structure & Key Discussions

Detailed Segment Summaries

Fraud in the Democratic Party and the Minnesota Scandal

Small Business Administration (SBA) & Federal Contract Fraud

The Permit Act: Regulatory Reform and Federal Overreach

Minnesota Fraud Deep Dive: Guest Interview with Chuck Flynn

Sanctuary Cities, Crime & Border Security

Free Speech and Christian Students on Campus

What Makes America Wonderful: Rapid Capabilities & Navy Industry Partnerships

Most Notable Quotes & Moments (with timestamps)

Flow, Tone, and Style

Segment Timestamps Overview

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode