AMERICA'S VOICE LIVE WITH STEVE GRUBER - JANUARY 21ST, 2026

Summary

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Real America’s Voice Live with Steve Gruber – January 21, 2026

Overview

This episode of "America's Voice Live" with Steve Gruber centers on a range of political and economic issues dominating current American discourse. Key focal points include President Trump's controversial speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos—particularly his renewed interest in acquiring Greenland for the U.S.—live reactions and explanations from expert guests, in-depth analysis of the federal deficit and government overspending, exploration of the youth's increasing appeal to socialist ideas, insights on crucial midterm elections, and a spirited discussion on American energy policy. The tone is direct, combative, and unmistakably oriented toward populist, America-first themes.

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Key Topics and Discussions

1. President Trump at Davos – The Greenland Gambit

[00:32 - 12:18]

Highlights:

• Trump’s Davos address: urges U.S. control of Greenland as a national security imperative, but rules out military force, advocating tariffs and diplomacy.
• Discussion of broader global power dynamics: threats from China and Russia in the Arctic, U.S. leadership in NATO, and the value of economic leverage through tariffs.

Memorable Moments & Quotes:

• Dr. Jeff Gunter (03:10):
  "I watched the entire speech and I would consider it a masterclass performance... They can't control mass immigration, they're supporting bureaucrats. Their economies are exploding. And meanwhile, President Trump, who fully understands what has to be done...let there be no misunderstanding, Greenland is essential for US Security..."
• President Trump (05:01):
  "The military's not on the table. I don't think it'll be necessary. I really don't. I think people are going to use better judgment."
• John Gardner (05:36):
  "The EU should be begging us to take Greenland. They're rich in rare earth minerals, which China right now has a near monopoly on... It's a binary choice: America or China and Russia."
• President Trump (08:48):
  "NATO has treated the United States of America very unfairly. We never asked for anything, we never got anything... I got NATO to pay because they're rich countries. But I think it's time that NATO step up."
• President Trump on Board of Peace (11:01):
  "This is the greatest board ever assembled. And everybody wants to be on it... even controversial people, because these are people that get the job done."

Segment Timestamps:

• Trump’s Davos Speech Overview: [00:32 - 03:10]
• National Security Analysis: [03:10 - 04:45]
• Trump’s Statement on Military Force: [05:01 - 05:17]
• Rare Earths & Arctic Strategy: [05:36 - 06:58]
• Tariffs and Economic Leverage: [06:58 - 07:27]
• NATO & US Burdens: [08:28 - 09:36]
• The "Board of Peace" Q&A: [10:34 - 12:18]

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2. Chaos, Fraud, and Opportunity in Minnesota & State Elections

[12:18 - 18:33]

Highlights:

• Congresswoman Harriet Hageman’s analysis of “chaos and fraud” in Minnesota: accusations of leadership using chaos to cover up financial misconduct.
• Broader discussion on Republican opportunities in upcoming Senate races nationwide.
• Critique of Democratic governance and contrast to Republican "law and order" and anti-corruption stances.

Memorable Moments & Quotes:

• Harriet Hageman (14:22):
  "It doesn't go on in Wyoming because we wouldn't tolerate it. And most red states feel the same way... This is just a criminal enterprise run amok...a concerted effort to funnel money to favored groups in exchange for votes."
• Steve Gruber (15:14):
  "It is create all this chaos, paint Donald Trump as a tyrant. But...it wasn't Donald Trump that deployed the National Guard... The governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, did that. He needs to be held to account."
• Harriet Hageman (17:10):
  "The messaging has to be based upon the accomplishments and contrast that with what happens when you've got Democrat rule... When you look at the level of fraud, chaos, and the efforts to prevent ICE from enforcing the law in these blue states and cities, I think that the American people are going to say in November, 'We don't want that.'"

Segment Timestamps:

• Minnesota Chaos Introduction: [12:18 - 14:22]
• Hageman on Fraud & Red State Comparison: [14:22 - 15:51]
• Political Pickups & Messaging: [16:36 - 18:33]

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3. American Energy Policy – Fracking, Coal, and Net-Zero Critique

[18:33 - 21:36]

Highlights:

• Gruber and Hageman hail Wyoming's energy dominance (coal, oil, uranium); disparage wind/solar as “China-backed.”
• Criticism of Europe’s turn toward deindustrialization for climate goals, citing Germany’s woes as a warning for America.

Memorable Moments & Quotes:

• Harriet Hageman (19:18):
  "Energy security is national security. Wyoming is the largest coal producer, and wind and solar are never going to be able to provide the affordable and reliable energy that we need in this country...the global warming and climate change nonsense... they're destroying their economy."

Segment Timestamps:

• Wyoming and National Energy Policy: [18:33 - 21:36]

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4. America’s Rising Deficit and Overspending – Can Congress Fix It?

[21:36 - 26:17]

Highlights:

• Discussion of the $1.8 trillion federal deficit and $40 trillion national debt.
• National Taxpayers Union’s Tommy Aiellotami decries government spending, ties overspending to inflation, advocates for cuts—especially “earmarks.”

Memorable Moments & Quotes:

• Tommy Aiellotami (23:15):
  "Even with all this tariff revenue coming in, our federal government's still spending $2 trillion more than what we take in every single year. So it's a real problem."
• Steve Gruber (23:55):
  "Anytime you reduce the rate of increase in spending, it's a cut. They're not very good at math, apparently..."
• Tommy Aiellotami (25:22):
  "Earmarks...these are wasteful spending that Congress can decide... $350,000 on an elephant statue, a million for socialist climate activities...These little things really do add up and undermine the work President Trump did."

Segment Timestamps:

• Deficit and Debt Discussion: [21:36 - 23:55]
• Spending Cuts and Earmarks: [24:26 - 26:17]

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5. The Republican Youth Problem & Socialist Appeal to Gen Z

[28:58 - 34:24]

Highlights:

• Assistant Editor Will Biagini reports from Georgetown University, confirming that many students are surprisingly open to socialist ideas.
• The discussion blames university “indoctrination,” lack of historical education, and disconnect from real-world consequences of socialism.
• Repeated calls for better education and counter-messaging to reach young voters.

Memorable Moments & Quotes:

• Will Biagini (29:33):
  "Many of the students didn't seem terribly opposed to the idea [of a socialist mayor]... Many were concerned or skeptical, but not overtly opposed."
• Steve Gruber (31:26):
  "If I talk to people your age, I say, what was the Great Leap Forward? They have no idea that 50 million Chinese people died in that conversion to socialism."
• Will Biagini (32:49):
  "My own father left Communist Romania in 1989... waiting all day in line for meager food rations. And here we have American universities shoving socialist rhetoric down students' throats."
• Steve Gruber (33:59):
  "It's pervasive across college campuses, this indoctrination. That's all it is, Will, it's indoctrination. It's certainly not education..."

Segment Timestamps:

• Introduction and Campus Findings: [28:58 - 30:10]
• Education and Indoctrination Discussion: [31:26 - 34:24]

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6. Quick Hits and Community Reflections

[41:43 - 45:03]

Highlights:

• Heartwarming story of American heroism: Navy rescue swimmer in Virginia Beach saves driver from submerged car, exemplifying selfless American character.
• Listener comments on President Trump’s first year back: overwhelming approval among audience, with frustration focused mostly on Congressional GOP “inaction.”

Memorable Moments & Quotes:

• Steve Gruber (41:43):
  "Heeding the call of action is a trait that requires bravery and the strongest of wills. And the combined effort of Jeremy Way and the other good Samaritans reminds us of what makes America wonderful."
• Listener Lisa Latia (direct quote):
  "I give Trump an A. I give Congress and the Senate an F. The GOP just sits on their hands and refuses to help Trump much. Term limits."

Segment Timestamps:

• American Heroism: [41:43 - 42:35]
• Listener Reflections on Trump’s First Year: [42:35 - 45:03]

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Notable Quotes (with Speaker Attribution & Timestamps)

• Dr. Jeff Gunter (03:10): "Greenland is essential for US security. It's in our northern hemisphere. And if you don't believe me, go ask Winston Churchill..."
• President Trump (05:01): "The military's not on the table. I don't think it'll be necessary...I think people will use their best judgment."
• John Gardner (05:36): "The EU should be begging us to take Greenland. They're rich in rare earth minerals... Greenland could become as important of a trans shipping point as Gibraltar or the Suez Canal."
• Harriet Hageman (14:22): "This is just a criminal enterprise run amok... a concerted effort to funnel money to favored groups in exchange for votes."
• Tommy Aiellotami (23:15): "Our federal government's still spending $2 trillion more than what we take in every single year. So it's a real problem."
• Will Biagini (32:49): "My own father left Communist Romania in 1989... it was not free. Here we have American universities that are shoving socialist rhetoric down students throats..."

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Conclusion & Takeaways

This episode is quintessential "America's Voice Live": direct, unapologetically conservative, and thick with high-stakes rhetoric over national security, generational divides, and America’s future. At its core is a call for bold, America-first policy, fiscal discipline, historical education, and a defense of traditional values in the face of what the hosts frame as both domestic and international threats. The episode balances urgent calls for action, deep skepticism of globalism and leftist politics, and reminders of old-fashioned American heroism.

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For detailed discussion, insight, and speaker context, see the timestamped breakdowns above.

Transcript

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

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[Steve Gruber]

Guaranteed Human. This is America's Voice live. And welcome to America's Voice Live. I'm Steve Gurit. The pulse of the people.

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

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[Steve Gruber]

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[Donald Trump]

I see him. I see him.

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

I see him.

[Steve Gruber]

Live. Breaking news right now here on Real America's Voice.

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Filtered.

[Steve Gruber]

These people are domestic terrorists and unapologetic. We're here to take a stand for God and country. Does feel good. America's Voice Live starts now. Welcome to America's Voice Live. I'm Steve Garrett. Is Wednesday 21st January the year of our Lord 2026? Let's get to today's top choice. As always, thank you so much for spending time with us here on Real America's Voice. We truly appreciate your patronage. Now, early today, I had the opportunity to interview Congresswoman Harriet Hageman. We discussed the current situation going on in Minnesota, the midterms set for later this year, and President Trump's efforts to unleash American energy, among other things. I'll share with you coming up. Also, numbers show that the federal deficit hit $1.8 trillion last year, meaning the government spent almost $2 trillion more than it took in. Even with the big, beautiful bill in place, I'll discuss more ways Congress can lower the debt ceiling as well. And then later, as more and more younger kids become old enough to vote, the real question has to do with how the Republican Party can appeal to the youth, an effort that will surely take precedent in the upcoming midterms. All that and so much more coming your way on today's show. But first, we start with Greenland and everything going on in Davos. President Trump spoke at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, earlier today, where he discussed multiple ongoing issues, including the prospect of acquiring control of Greenland. Greenland sits in the Arctic and governs its own domestic affairs, while currently remaining within the Kingdom of Denmark. President Trump stated that he has tremendous respect for both the people of Greenland and the people of Denmark, but that the United States must control the island from a national security standpoint. Describing Greenland as a vast territory that's sitting undefended in a key strategic location between the United States, Russia, and China, our biggest and most competitive rivals. Brother Trump also revealed that he does not plan to use force to acquire Greenland and announced that any resistance from European countries will be met with steep tariffs. Joining me to sort this all out and unpack it is tariff expert and author of the book Manufacture Local, John Gardner, as well as a former ambassador to the Republic of Iceland and current congressional candidate for Nevada, number three, Dr. Jeff Gunter. Doctor, let me start with you today. What was your take? The comments on Green and look, the president been fairly forceful about this in recent weeks that we must have control of Greenland. And there were all these people saying, well, he's going to invade, he's going to do this military action. No, he's not. He made that clear today. But he is clear about the fact that when it comes to national security, Greenland has to be under American control. Your thoughts on what you heard?

[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

I watched the entire speech and I would consider it a masterclass performance. I felt like in the audience there was a group of leaders who we all have great respect for the people. But in reality, they are failing for all the reasons that our brilliant president, President Trump, pointed out. They have mass immigration, they can't control it. They are supporting bureaucrats. Their economies are exploding. And meanwhile, President Trump, who fully understands what has to be done to rectify the situation, let there be no misunderstanding. Greenland is essential, essential for US Security. It's in our northern hemisphere. And if you don't believe me, go ask Winston Churchill. He talked about it with the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap and the havoc that the German U boats caused on America. So you can only imagine the importance that we have with our golden dome coming up. And by the way, the great beneficiary of that is is Canada itself. And the prime minister from Canada's comments were not helpful. The same from France were not helpful. But that doesn't desert, that doesn't defer or detract from President Trump's tremendous performance and his absolute commitment, commitment to making America safe again. And that includes Greenland and let's face it, Denmark is not in the position to defend them from the Chinese or from the Russians. And it's really a binary choice, you guys. It's the choice between America and the choice between China and Russia.

[Steve Gruber]

I think anybody that looks at that map we've had up there would agree. Now, I want to play a comment from the president says he does not think the military will be necessary and it's not on the table because he believes people will use better judgment. Here's a quick comment from the president earlier today.

[Donald Trump]

Well, we'll see what happens. The military's not on the table. I don't think it'll be necessary. I really don't I think people are going to use better judgment. They'll use their best judgment and I don't think that will not be necessary.

[Steve Gruber]

Now, John, it's been my belief that we will have operational control to some extent with Greenland. It's part of the Western Hemisphere. We've seen the president take Maduro out of Venezuela to protect the Western Hemisphere. I think he'll do the same in the north, but it will come short of military activity there. What are your thoughts when you hear him make those comments?

[John Gardner]

I think the minds will come together to see that EU should be begging us to take Greenland. They're rich in rare earth minerals, which China right now has a near monopoly on rare earths. Also, Chinese released in 2018 a white paper saying that they were near Arctic nation and they wanted to build a polar Silk Road and Greenland could become as important of a trans shipping point as Gibraltar or the Suez Canal or the Panama Canal because it's the shortest route from China to the EU nations. Also, very importantly, it's the shortest route for ballistic missiles to North America from Russia and China. Russia has expanded and opened up military installations in the Arctic. And now China tried to in 2016, buy an abandoned naval station that Denmark abandoned. And and in 2018, I believe Secretary of Defense General Mattis at the time had to convince Denmark to not sell, you know, to actually lend Greenland money to develop their airports because they were going to borrow money from China. We see Canada aligning with Communist China. We see Macron begging for investment from China. I think if EU still wants to remain a protectorate of the United States, they need to go along with this and, and realize it's really in their best national security interest for the president in America to take control of Greenland and develop it.

[Steve Gruber]

John, let me get you to weigh in on this. Tariffs are your wheelhouse. The things you understand the best. And for the record, Secretary General of NATO Mark Rute said today earlier he agrees with Donald Trump that we need Greenland to be in our sphere of protection. And he says the United States is the country that can do it. Now, the president says military action is off the table, but tariffs have been a great tool in his toolbox to get the kind of concessions and deals that he wants. Where do you see those playing in going forward?

[John Gardner]

I think they're very going to play in very heavily. President Trump has already used tariffs to get a lot of things he's wanted to settle wars. Rwanda and Congo were at odds. And he said, hey, you guys mine a lot of minerals. We need make Peace and we'll buy your minerals. And peace ensued. He's kind of using it as a non kinetic warfare tool to convince nations and at the same time building our manufacturing base and creating revenue which can potentially replace income tax. So, you know, I think what President Trump said that stood out to me in his speech. He said, we intend to raise the living standards for our citizens to levels never seen before. And America built the greatest middle class in the history of the world. By the late 60s, 61% of the population had a majority. The first time in history a majority of the nation's population had discretionary income money beyond what they had to pay for necessities tariffs and manufacturing might did that. And that's why President Trump is embracing rebuilding our domestic manufacturing capability and Greenland will come into that.

[Steve Gruber]

Now, we just mentioned the deficit, $1.8 trillion last year, a national debt of $40 trillion. And I want you to hear from President Trump. He says NATO has treated the US Very unfairly. Think about all the money we've sent to Europe since the end of World War II. Dr. And I want you to react to what he said about taking care of the needs of NATO and ignoring the United States.

[Donald Trump]

Listen, I just say this. NATO has treated the United States of America very unfairly. We never asked for anything, we never got anything. We actually took care of the needs of NATO for years and years, which I felt was always unfair. So I got Naito to pay because they're rich countries. But I think it's time that NATO step up. We're helping them with Ukraine. Without us, I think Putin would have gone all the way. I think we have it. I think Putin, I think that could have been a World War iii. If you want to know the truth, if, if Kamala was elected or Joe, any one of those, you know, those thinkers, I think you could have ended up in World War iii. And I will say Steve Witkoff has been dealing incredibly with. But we're not going to have World War iii. We want to get it stopped, but we're not going to have World War iii.

[Steve Gruber]

Doctor, let me ask you this. Do you believe that if the chips were down, NATO would be even capable of defending the United States against an aggressive China or Russia? Your thoughts?

[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

Such a brilliant point you made, Steve. And President Trump reiterated that in his speech. For sure, if they came knocking to America, America has been and will be with NATO. But the big question arises is if we're getting attacked in our Northern hemisphere, is NATO going to be there for America? And President Trump is friends with many of these leaders, but he's not sure they're going to be there for us. And he's absolutely right. We've been there for NATO. We've been protecting the borders of Western Europe for years and years and years and years. And President Trump also.

[Steve Gruber]

Hold on one second. Doctor. Doctor, hold one second, please. The president speaking right now outside Davos, taking some questions. Here he is. But you haven't signed anything yet, right?

[Donald Trump]

It's a deal that's forever.

[John Gardner]

Will there be a fact anyway?

[Donald Trump]

Will there be an effect?

[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

People.

[Donald Trump]

What happens is people are out there and they're working it right now. They're working the details of the deal, but it's in. It's what's called an infinite deal. It's forever.

[Steve Gruber]

You talked about. You talked about being concerned, Mr. President, about Russia trying to come and take over Greenland.

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

If you're worried that Putin would do.

[Steve Gruber]

Something like that, why invite him to.

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Join your Board of Peace?

[Donald Trump]

Because we want everybody. We want all nations. We want all nations where people have control, people have power, that we're never going to have a problem. This is the greatest board ever assembled, and everybody wants to be on it. But, yeah, I have some controversial people on it, but these are people that get the job done. These are people that have tremendous interest, influence. If I put all babies on the board, there wouldn't be very much. So he was invited. He's accepted. Many people have accepted. I think. I don't know of anybody that hasn't accepted, but it's going to be great. I think the Board of Peace will be the most prestigious board ever, and it's going to get a lot of work done that the United nations should have done, and we'll work with the United Nations. But the Board of Peace is going to be special. We're going to have peace. It started off with Gaza, the Middle East. We've got peace in the Middle east, tremendous peace in the Middle East. Nobody thought that was possible. And that happened by taking out the Iran nuclear threat. Without that, it could have never happened. But the board is going to be, I think, really fantastic. And I think it will be the most prestigious board of any board ever in world history. Thank you very much.

[Steve Gruber]

All right, the president, taking some questions there, as you can see, taking some questions. The World Economic Forum, the most transparent president ever, talking about his board of peace there. And it is a question for a number of people. Why would Vladimir Putin be invited onto this Board of Peace? He says, because you need people who can make decisions. You need people who are influential, even if they're people you don't like, is kind of reading between the lines there. And having Vladimir Putin there when he's actively still engaged in a war with Ukraine raises a lot of questions for people. We'll keep with that after the break. Wyoming Congresswoman Harriet Hageman, who's now running for the US Senate seat being vacated in that state. I spoke to her earlier today. I'll share that when we come back on america's Voice live. Well, earlier today I had the opportunity to speak with Congresswoman Harriet Hageman of Wyoming, who's now running for a Senate seat there. We discussed the current situation going on in Minnesota with the anti ice protest, the pivotal midterm elections, which are set for later this year, and President Trump's efforts to unleash American energy. Take a look at what she had to say about it all. I want to start in Minneapolis, top of the fold for a lot of folks. The war between, you know, these agitators and these people that are targeting federal law enforcement, creating chaos and then complaining about how that chaos is controlled. And I focus on that because you are running for Congress, excuse me, for the Senate seat, leaving Congress for the Senate seat in Wyoming, two open Senate seats in the state of Minnesota. And I have got to believe that the people in Minnesota, the people that have lived there their whole lives, are going, what in the world is going on in Minneapolis? I think that both of those seats are vulnerable. I think it would be a really big pickup if the Republicans got one. And that's just the start. But I mean, hardworking Americans, first of all, the fraud, which I see can reach as high as $19 billion, and then all of this violence and the agitators and the problems involved, that doesn't go on in Wyoming, does it?

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Well, it doesn't go on in Wyoming because we wouldn't tolerate it. And most red states feel the same way. And that's why you don't see the chaos there, Number one, you don't see the fraud there. And then you don't see the chaos that is being basically, I think, ginned up in order to cover up the fraud and deflect attention from what we know is an absolutely disastrous situation in the state of Minnesota, when we start looking at all the various benefits that have been stolen over the years by a variety of groups and by a variety of different organizations. I mean, this is just a criminal enterprise run amok. And I think that the top leadership in Minneapolis and the state as well, Governor Walts I think that they're using this as an effort to deflect attention from what is not just a failure, but I think a concerted effort to funnel money to favored groups in exchange for votes. I think it's that simple. And I think that the mayhem is part of that.

[Steve Gruber]

It is create all this chaos, paint Donald Trump as a tyrant. But you know, I'd like to remind the folks it wasn't Donald Trump that deployed the National Guard of the streets of Minneapolis during COVID and shot people on their porches with paint guns because they had the nerve to be outside their houses. The governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, did that. He needs to be held to account. So does the attorney General there, so does the lieutenant Governor. All of these people. I mean, there is no way, I'm sorry, I do not believe, Congresswoman, that they didn't know about the fraud. How could you not know about fraud to that magnitude?

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Well, how could your agencies not have done any spot visits? I mean, that's the very purpose of many of the people employed in those various agencies. Their job description is to go out and ensure that these various programs that are being funded actually exists, that they're serving the people that they claim that they're serving and that they're actually accomplishing somebody something with the money that has been appropriated. So, yes, I believe that it's very clear that it was a cover up. As you say, it comes from the highest echelons in the state. But again, it's just a matter of total corruption with the radical leftists that you see have taken over in Minnesota. And I think that that's tied in with this incredible chaos and the riots that we're seeing in the streets as they attempt to prevent ICE from deporting criminally illegal aliens.

[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

Yeah.

[Steve Gruber]

All right, so let me ask you about the Senate. You're running for U.S. senate. You are, I think by all regards the frontrunner at this point. You say you never take it for granted. We'll see what happens. But I look at other states where there are clear opportunities for Republican pickups. Georgia, New Hampshire, Michigan has an open Senate seat and again, two seats in Minnesota is gonna be awfully hard for the Democrats to defend both with everything that's going on there. I do believe the Republicans have pickup opportunities in all of those places and maybe more. So that's a good situation, isn't Is.

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

If we get out there with the right messaging. And the messaging has to be based upon the accomplishments and contrast that with what happens when you've got Democrat rule. You know, I think all we need to do is look at the state of Virginia as an example of people who ran as moderates. Spanberger, she ran as a so called moderate in Virginia. She refused to answer questions about the more radical side of the Democrat Party. Yet she just took office a matter of days ago. And when you look at her executive orders, when you look at the things that she's reversed, you look at the bills that are being introduced in the legislature, I think that it gives us great insight as to what will happen the moment that Democrats can take power. And so we have to look at protecting the U.S. house, the U.S. senate and we have to look at protecting in the long term the US Presidency because I don't think that she is an anomaly. I think that that is who and what the Democrat Party is right now. So yes, we have to prot. Protect the Senate, we have to protect the majority. I hope that we can grow the majority. We also need to protect the U.S. house. But again, when you look at the level of fraud, when you look at the chaos, when you look at the efforts to prevent ICE from enforcing the law in these red states or excuse me, in these blue states, in these blue cities, I think that the American people's going to say, will say in November, we don't want that. We find that to be crazy. That is not who and what America is.

[Steve Gruber]

Let me ask you about this state of Wyoming is an energy state. I think Chris Wright has done a tremendous job thus far as the Secretary of Energy, a fracking guy who understands energy better than anybody in that job in recent memory. For Wyoming, this focus on American energy is a positive. It's also a positive in the Dakotas, in Alaska, in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, all the energy producing states, not to mention Texas, of course this is the right step forward because America's economy runs on vast quantities of cheap energy. We need American produced energy to power this economy. We have to stop fooling around with windmills and solar panels built in China that have little impact on our economy. In fact, many would say they're detrimental. What are your thoughts on energy and the policy of this administration?

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Energy security is national security. Energy security and affordable and reliable energy is what really is the power behind the economic engine of the United States of America. Wyoming is one of the largest energy producers in the nation. We are the largest coal producer. We produce about 250 million tons a year. We're the eighth largest oil and gas producer, one of the largest reserves of uranium in the entire United States, and wind and solar are never going to be able to provide the affordable and reliable energy that we need in this country. I don't care whether it is empowering our hospitals, our industries, our municipalities, our domestics, our homes. The fact is that going down the road that China has been attempting to push us for the last several decades with the entire global warming and then climate change nonsense, you can see what happens when you do that. All we need to do is look at Germany. Germany is literally de industrializing before our very eyes. The second largest industry or the second largest municipality in Germany. Right before Christmas, they voted, they had a referendum. Only about 40% of the people voted, but they voted to de industrialize because of this whole net zero nonsense. They're destroying their economy. They are destroying their industries. What do you think about when you think about Germany Manufacturing? You think about Volkswagen, you think about BMW and Mercedes Benz. They're getting to the point in Germany that they can no longer produce some of the most iconic cars, automobiles that the world has ever seen because of their effort to de industrialize and go to net zero. You can say the same thing about uk The UK And France, those countries that have made the decision to go down that road. They are destroying the economy of their very own people. They are destroying the ability for them to prosper. They're making it very difficult across the board. We don't want to do that here. And that's why this administration has been so great for Wyoming, but also for the country as a whole.

[Steve Gruber]

Agreed. I wish you well in your run for United States Senate. I've gotten to know you over the last three or four years. I think you're the right voice for Wyoming. I don't endorse anybody because I'm not allowed to. But I will say I think you're the right voice for Wyoming. Real quickly, what's your website?

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Hagemanforwyoming.com There you have it. I'd love to have any support that people would be willing to give.

[Steve Gruber]

We wish you well. Thank you for being here. And there you have it. Congresswoman Harriet Hageman running for US Senate there as the frontrunner in the state of Wyoming, the energy state, a state that has a lot to offer the United States if we have the right policies. Coming up after the break, I'll discuss President Trump's new Congressional Budget Office numbers and how Congress is contributing to overspending by undermining the efforts of Doge through waste, fraud and abuse. Details straight ahead. I mentioned this at the top of the program. President Trump's new Congressional Budget Office numbers show the federal deficit hit $1.8 trillion last year, meaning the government spent almost $2 trillion more than it took in. Shameful, really. The debt now stands at $38.6 trillion, $5 trillion more than our entire economy. And 63 cents of every income tax dollar goes to debt. Pretty shocking. The one big beautiful bill is cutting spending, and that's good news. But Congress is still overspending through waste, fraud and abuse and undermining the efforts of Doge. And that's bad news. Here to discuss how we can lower the debt ceiling is the Senior Director of Government affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, Tommy Aiellotami. These numbers just don't ever get any better. I remember when the debt was at $20 trillion, I thought, man, that could be the point of no return. Then 30 trillion, then 35. And, gosh, if we don't do something, it'll be 50 trillion or 100 trillion at some point. It's just. It's insurmountable. What do we need to do here?

[Tommy Aiellotami]

I mean, I never thought I would say the day that I missed the days of $20 trillion debts in this country. It's really incredible how much our debt has grown over the past 10 to 15 years. And when you look at it right, as good as our economy is, with record tax revenues, even with all this tariff revenue coming in, our federal government's still spending $2 trillion more than what we take in every single year. So it's a real problem. And, you know, people might not think it affects them, but we have this really high inflation, and inflation has been so high for the past five years because of all this extra spending. So when we get spending under control, we'll have inflation under control.

[Steve Gruber]

You know, when we try to bring spending under control, though, one side or the other screams like smashed cats, oh, you can't cut this. You can't do that. You know, to hear the left talk about this, anytime you reduce the rate of increase in spending, it's a cut. They're not very good at math, apparently, because reducing the rate of increase is not a cut at all. But they would have you believe it's attacking children and old folks and everything else. You know, and so the political reality is they just keep trying to survive the next election cycle. How do we break that?

[Tommy Aiellotami]

You know, the good news is President Trump takes this seriously, and so do most congressional Republicans. If you look what's happening right now, Congress is in the process of allocating our tax dollars to every Department and every agency. The good news is we're going to spend less on those agencies this year than we did last year. Now, it's not a big amount. It's, you know, 10 to 20 billion dollars less than last year, but it's a real start. This hasn't happened in 15 to 20 years. And I think it's because President Trump has set the tone that we need to get our debt under control. And this is one step to do it. There's many more steps, but at least we're taking that first step. And the first step is addressing the problem and admitting you have a problem.

[Steve Gruber]

So where would you look first if you had the opportunity to look at the budget? Last question to you. Give me an item where you think maybe we could reduce spending in this particular area that might be politically palatable.

[Tommy Aiellotami]

You know, the first thing that comes to my mind is earmarks. These are the wasteful spending that Congress can decide. They dole out the bacon to these special interest groups. You know, unfortunately, in these appropriations bills, yes, we're spending less than last year, but we're spending so much silly dollars on things President Trump doesn't want.

[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

Right.

[Tommy Aiellotami]

We're spending $350,000 on an elephant statue in Atlantic City, New Jersey. A million dollars for socialist climate activities in Boston, another million dollars for oyster research in Brooklyn, New York. It's these little things that really do add up, and it undermines the work that Doge and President Trump did at the start of last year when they took office. So I think if we want to look under the couch cushions for ways to cut spending, it's these silly programs that don't benefit American taxpayers and the American people.

[Steve Gruber]

I agree. Start with America first and we'll go from there. Tommy, always a good conversation. Thank you.

[Tommy Aiellotami]

Thank you.

[Steve Gruber]

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[Will Biagini]

Hey, thank you so much for having me.

[Steve Gruber]

All right. How old are you?

[Will Biagini]

I'm 22. 22 years old.

[Steve Gruber]

22 years old. You're gonna vote in the midterms?

[Will Biagini]

Absolutely. I'm gonna vote for the midterms. We absolutely got to take our country back.

[Steve Gruber]

Absolutely. So you're out there on the campus and you are mixing with other people your age. What's your general sense? Are they leaning right, leaning left? The younger folks in America in 2024 broke for Donald Trump. What's happening today?

[Will Biagini]

Yeah, absolutely. So Janice Lewis George is a local politician who is running for mayor of Washington, D.C. in 2026. Now, she happens to be a socialist. So to monitor this or to rather get an idea of what young folks were thinking, I decided to go to Georgetown University, which is located in Washington, D.C. and ask young voters and students how they thought about the idea of a socialist potentially being in charge of the nation's capital. Now, strangely enough, and interestingly and concerningly, many of the students didn't seem terribly opposed to the idea.

[Steve Gruber]

And so what did you hear? They didn't. Terribly opposed. Are they Trump supporters? Are they otherwise uninterested? Do they support socialism outright? Is there a breakdown of any sort or sense that you get?

[Will Biagini]

There absolutely is. So we had a mix of reactions, but. So while some of the students that I spoke to were not necessarily in favor of socialism, I spoke to multiple Mamdani supporters whose only fear was that socialism might not work out as well in Washington, D.C. as well as it might in New York. Can you believe it? But overall, I spoke to more students who were, you know, concerned rather than, or rather skeptical than overtly opposed to socialism in the United States and much less the nation's capital.

[Steve Gruber]

So what's the message that needs to get through to these young people? Look, here's the problem. If I talk to people your age, I say, what was the Great Leap Forward? They have no idea that 50 million Chinese people died in that conversion to socialism. You ask them about Stalin or Castro or other socialist regimes that have murdered tens of millions of their own people in pursuit of utopia, whatever that looks like in the socialist communist nation. I think we have a real education problem here. Is that part of what we need to correct?

[Will Biagini]

We absolutely have an education problem here. And the reasoning is because universities, the ideas flow out of universities, universities into society. So that's kind of the point of why I do these videos, why I did this video in particular. So 62% of young Americans say that they support socialism as opposed to capitalism. And that trend starts on college campuses. Young Americans accept their leftist professors brainwashing as truth because our broken higher education system has failed to teach them to think critically. So when I asked students why so many Venezuelans who suffered under Chavez and Maduro opposed socialism, these students only suggested that those who suffered under socialism had no idea what socialism was or just didn't understand it. Affluent and privileged American students fail to question the false ideas that they're fed in lecture halls. And then they're left dumbfounded by the reality of those who suffered poverty and persecution under socialist regimes because all they know how to do now is to consume and to repeat leftist narratives.

[Steve Gruber]

So their retort to you will, was that the people that are eating out of garbage cans or can't get gasoline to put in their vehicles except once every week or two, that they just didn't understand what they were dealing with. They just didn't get it. That's the retort.

[Will Biagini]

That is exactly the retort. And here's the crazier thing. These students who say that they support socialism over capitalism, they have no connection to anyone who has ever lived under a socialist regime. They just like the way it sounds. My own father left Communist Romania in 1989 after the fall of its dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu. And he regularly recounted stories to us of how life was there, how life was like over there, and it was not free. Nicolae Ceausescu ruled with an iron fist. And he regularly recounted stories of waiting all day in line just for some meager food rations. And here we have American universities that are shoving socialist rhetoric down students throats. And we here at the Leadership Institute's Campus reform have been at the forefront of reporting on all of it. So for example, at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, there is a black Marxist course. And then you have Yale University, which maintains a course that's been described as socialist and anti imperialist. And then New York University, for example, has also been accused of allegedly moving money from a deceased professor's retirement fund into the Young Democratic Socialists of America, which is a socialist young youth organization.

[Steve Gruber]

Yeah, it's pervasive across college campuses, this indoctrination. That's all it is, Will, it's indoctrination. It's certainly not an education because if it were, they would understand the Great Leap Forward. They'd understand the Bolshevik revolution. They would understand the failures of socialism and communism. But we're not teaching our children properly. Will you come back anytime? Good conversation. Nice seeing you.

[Will Biagini]

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me.

[Steve Gruber]

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[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

Yeah.

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

You know, that's the way we've been trained.

[Steve Gruber]

Right.

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

It's how, how can we just consistently weigh ourselves? And then that dictates our, our day. We're going to be in a great frame of mind if we're, if we're down a pound, if we're up a pound or two, it's a horrible day. And so what really has been the genesis of some really good research and how to start to move people away from the pounds on the scale, Put that away, stop weighing yourself, and instead start focusing on your body shape or your tone of your body, your muscle. And what this did, it took us away from that approach of diet pills and injections and the things that we have been trying forever and fail because so many people are in that cycle of take off five pounds, put on six, take off six, put on seven. And so what they came up with, with some really interesting research, is a product called creatone. And creatone was developed essentially, so you have to stop weighing yourself, put it away. And what creatone does is it focuses on your body's composition or your muscle mass, not to build you up and make you muscular at all, but to actually start to make your body more lean and more efficient. It's why you can have two people who are the exact same height and weight, yet one of them will look trim and in shape. And what it has a lot to do is your body's metabolism and the way your muscle structure is forming. So creatine taps into that and it helps your body displace some of the fat and burn calories more efficiently. Yes. But it really is starting to develop more muscle tone, shape, and kind of the way you look at yourself in the mirror to where the first thing you're going to notice is your pants are going to be more loose, your tops will be more loose. Have you lost a lot of weight? I don't know. Really don't care. What you do know is you look better, you feel better, and you're burning fat and calories more efficiently. And that is the way we're really trying to get people to start looking at, at health and fitness. Not by the scale.

[Steve Gruber]

So should we throw it away? Should I walk up after I'm done here today and just throw it in the trash? What should I do?

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

Well, you could do bench press with it if you want. It's not a lot of weight to move. Yeah. I don't even own a scale. And my patients, I'll really suggest to them, throw it away. It isn't doing you any good. It's how you feel, it's how you look.

[Dr. Jeff Gunter]

It's.

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

It's really moving away from that feel good mentality of I'm only going to feel great if I have a pound off here and then I'm going to starve myself all day and then I'm going to get on the scale and I didn't lose any weight. What's wrong with me? And that's what we're really trying to move people away from. And what's brilliant about creatine is that is probably the first product we've seen come along non prescription. That really is just focusing on, let's just move your body mass a little bit. Let's start taking that bulk down and have you look more fit and more toned. You're gonna feel better about yourself, you're gonna look better and you're going to lose weight because now you're starting to have that incentive of, wow, something is finally working for me, Steve.

[Steve Gruber]

Yeah. Now you're not saying don't go to the gym, don't go for a walk, don't become sedentary. You're not saying that. But for people that feel burned out by dieting and workouts, creatone can fit into a real life without adding much pressure or complexity. Right?

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

Yeah. That's the way doctors invented. You can't sit on the couch and eat chocolate bon bons and expect anything good to happen here.

[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

Right.

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

But if you're just normally healthy, if you just pay a little bit of attention and move a little bit and then you're adding a product like creatine to your fitness levels, it's going to pay off. It's a really remarkable product.

[Steve Gruber]

All right, so is it for both men and women.

[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

Yeah, we find it is. We find women are really probably 3 to 1 going to creatone right now. But men are starting to understand that this is how I really are getting myself into shape. And I know your listeners or your viewers are interested and there's a. I think they're offering a 20% discount if they're interested in it right now.

[Steve Gruber]

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[Dr. Greg Cinnamon]

Well put. Thanks so much.

[Steve Gruber]

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[Congresswoman Harriet Hageman]

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[Steve Gruber]

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