AMERICA'S VOICE LIVE WITH STEVE GRUBER - NOVEMBER 26TH, 2025

Summary

Real America’s Voice: America’s Voice Live with Steve Gruber

Episode Date: November 26, 2025
Host: Terrence Bates (sitting in for Steve Gruber)
Guests: Paul Mueller (economist), Duane McClure (political strategist), Brian Glenn (RAV White House Correspondent), Lt. Col. Allen West (Ret.), Chris Piotta (Ret. FBI Executive), Monica Page (Turning Point USA), Jack Posobiec, Eric Bolling
Main Theme:
Breaking news coverage and analysis of the shooting of two National Guard soldiers near the White House, alongside discussion of affordability and Thanksgiving economic issues.

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Episode Overview

This episode, airing the day before Thanksgiving, centers on the breaking news that two National Guard troops were shot near the White House in Washington, D.C. The program provides evolving updates, live analysis, and commentary from various experts and journalists as details emerge, culminating with the confirmation of the troops’ deaths. In parallel, the show discusses affordability, the state of the economy, and how these issues might impact politics ahead of the holidays and the coming election year.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking News: Shooting of National Guardsmen near the White House

• Initial Report: The show opens with breaking news (03:49) that two National Guard troops were shot near the White House. At first, details are scarce; the host, Terrence Bates, emphasizes the developing situation and promises ongoing updates.
• Incident Details:
  • Shooting occurred at 17th and I Street NW, a busy area steps from the White House entrance commonly used by staff, visitors, and locals.
  • One guardsman airlifted to a local hospital, another also taken for treatment. A suspect is reported in custody.
• Context: The area is known for “activists and protests,” and there’s mention of increased National Guard presence in DC over the preceding months (12:04, Brian Glenn).

2. Economic Segment: Thanksgiving Affordability & Political Implications

• Economic Claims: The show notes President Trump’s claims that Thanksgiving 2025 is more affordable, citing Walmart’s 25% decrease in meal cost, lower turkey prices, lower gas and eggs, and broader claims of tax and spending cuts (06:32).
• Expert Skepticism:
  • Paul Mueller (Economist): Points out that while some item prices are down, the comparison isn’t apples-to-apples—Walmart’s package is different this year, some portions smaller. Their own “Thanksgiving meal index” found prices actually up slightly overall.

    "It's not that prices are up a lot, but I think that prices are not down across the board the way most people had hoped they would be." (07:14)

  • Duane McClure (Political Strategist): Research shows a disconnect—many think the overall economy is strong, but their personal finances remain challenging. Most still credit Trump for improvements.

    “They do tend to credit President Trump, however, with relieving a lot of the pressures that they felt that they had under the previous administration.” (08:41)

• Political Implications: Affordability remains a "make or break" political issue, likely to carry into the 2026 midterms, especially if the downward price trend continues (09:46).
• Tariff & Policy Impact: Reduction in certain tariffs on everyday items is highlighted as one factor in price shifts (10:21).

3. Live Correspondent Reporting & Scene Updates

• Brian Glenn (RAV White House Correspondent):
  • Describes the proximity of the shooting to common DC landmarks and the White House (12:04).
  • Suggests area often has high foot traffic—even the day before a holiday.
  • Speculates on whether the event was a targeted attack due to the recent protests and high-profile National Guard presence.
  • Notes possible immediate policy changes in how National Guardsmen are armed on duty moving forward (21:47).
  • "I think you can expect to see National Guardsmen have the full ability to carry a weapon in case something like this happens again." (21:47)
• Monica Page (Turning Point USA):
  • Reports ongoing lockdown at the White House and nearby press restrictions (36:13).
  • "It's truly terrifying as somebody who's there every single day ... you never know who's outside the White House." (36:13)
  • Cites improvements in DC safety due to Guard deployment but worries this might threaten perceptions of security.

4. Security, Law Enforcement & Political Ramifications

• Lt. Col. Allen West (Ret.):
  • Focuses on rules of engagement (ROE), questioning if Guardsmen were properly armed and authorized to defend themselves.
  • Raises concern over DC’s restrictive gun laws, arguing that law-abiding citizens (and Guardsmen) may be vulnerable while criminals ignore these restrictions.
  • Warns about the toxic political environment, suggesting left-wing rhetoric fuels targeting of law enforcement and military (27:08).

    “You have this wanton violence and this desire for confusion and chaos to support illegal actions and activities ... we have got to do something and calm down this rhetoric.” (29:00)

• Chris Piotta (Ret. FBI Executive Assistant Director):
  • Argues this is an intimidation tactic that law enforcement cannot afford to capitulate to—"strength and resolve" are needed.
  • Expects a review of force protection procedures but not necessarily a repeal of strict engagement rules (34:49).
  • Outlines the investigation process—multi-agency, coordinated at the federal level, focus on motive and network involvement.

5. Escalation and Political Rhetoric

• Jack Posobiec & Eric Bolling:
  • Trace the shooting to a climate of increased violence targeting law enforcement and conservative/public figures, referencing past political assassinations (Charlie Kirk, Israeli embassy official, Trump attempt).
  • Suggest political rhetoric from Democratic politicians and activists has painted a “target” on National Guardsmen, ICE, and others.

    "Federal law enforcement in this country is getting a target painted on their back by the mainstream media, by elements of the left and so many others." (48:26, Posobiec)

  • Warn that such incidents can provoke copycat attacks across the country (47:16).

6. National Responses & Emotional Reactions

• White House & Vice President Vance:

  • President Trump responds on social media, calling the shooter "an animal" and promising a "steep price."

    “The animal that shot the two National Guardsmen, with both being critically wounded and now in two separate hospitals, is also severely wounded, but regardless, will pay a very steep price. God bless our great National Guard and all of our military and law enforcement. These are truly great people.” (33:57, read aloud)

  • Vice President J.D. Vance, speaking at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, calls for prayers and emphasizes the sacrifice of uniformed service members (53:46).

    "It's a somber reminder that soldiers... are the sword and the shield of the United States of America." (54:44)

• Tragic Update:

  • News breaks at (57:30) that both West Virginia National Guardsmen have died of their injuries. Hosts and panel react with shock and sorrow.
  • Eric Bolling:

    “Just horrendous news, especially for those families of those two Guardsmen who have now perished the day before Thanksgiving. It’s just incredible. That empty seat... heartbreaking.” (64:33)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Perception vs. Reality of Thanksgiving Affordability:
  Paul Mueller (07:14):

  “President Trump has picked a few items to talk about. You know, the Walmart Thanksgiving meal package that's down 25% is not the same Thanksgiving meal package that they had a year ago. So part of [the] lower price is that there's fewer items or smaller portions.”

• On National Guard Deployment and Security:
  Brian Glenn (21:47):

  “I think you can expect to see National Guardsmen have the full ability to carry a weapon in case something like this happens again.”

• On Rules of Engagement and Political Climate:
  Lt. Col. Allen West (27:46):

  "Because if they were told you cannot draw and you cannot protect yourself until you're fired upon, well, guess what happens? The bad guy gets the drop on you."

• On the Impact of Political Rhetoric:
  Jack Posobiec (48:26):

  "Federal law enforcement in this country is getting a target painted on their back by the mainstream media, by elements of the left and so many others."

• On the Emotional Impact of Tragedy:
  Eric Bolling (64:33):

  "That empty seat. I know it very well. That empty seat at Thanksgiving. Heartbreaking. It's going to be heartbreaking for them."

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Breaking News of Shooting Announced: 03:49
• Discussion on Thanksgiving Affordability and Politics: 06:32 – 11:34
• Brian Glenn Reports from White House Vicinity: 11:55 – 23:16
• Lt. Col. Allen West on Rules of Engagement and Rhetoric: 24:35 – 30:20
• Chris Piotta (FBI Ret.) on Investigation and Law Enforcement Response: 31:03 – 35:46
• Monica Page on DC Lockdown, White House Reporter Perspective: 36:13 – 43:47
• Jack Posobiec–Broader Political Violence Pattern/Rhetoric: 45:04 – 53:06
• Vice President J.D. Vance Comments from Fort Campbell: 53:46 – 57:30
• Confirmation of Guardsmen Deaths & Reactions (Eric Bolling): 57:30 – 66:24

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Tone & Language

• Style:
  Candid, at times emotional; analytic but clearly partisan, with strong criticism of Democratic politicians, progressive activists, and the “mainstream media.” Emphatic support for law enforcement and the Trump administration.
• Key Language Examples:
  • “These people are domestic terrorists and unapologetic. We're here to take a stand for God and country.” (03:35, Terrence Bates)
  • “This animal was inspired by something. We just, we will find out what the inspiration was for this and go after it and weed it out…” (66:00, Eric Bolling)

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Conclusion

This episode serves as both an urgent live news report and a forum for broader commentary, linking a single act of violence to perceived national trends and partisan conflicts. The tragedy of the shooting near the White House is cast as emblematic of deeper political and cultural ruptures, as guests and hosts repeatedly call for prayers, resolve, and a lowering of political rhetoric—even as they identify political adversaries as contributors to the environment in which the attack occurred. Concurrently, concerns about affordability, economics, and their electoral implications are woven throughout, placing personal security and financial wellbeing as the central issues of the American moment.

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[Terrence Bates]

America's Voice Live starts now. Welcome to America's Voice Live. I'm Terrence Bates. We begin with breaking news as we are just learning that two National Guard soldiers are injured after being shot near the White House. At this point, there's not much information relative to this particular situation. Their conditions aren't being released. At this point, all we know is that once again, two National Guard soldiers were shot somewhere in the vicinity of the White House. Emergency vehicles were seen responding to the area. Joint DC Task forces confirming that they were responding to an incident in the vicinity of the White House again involving two National Guard soldiers who were shot there. We will continue to monitor this developing story for you throughout the day here on Real America's Voice. And as we get new information throughout America's Voice live, we'll be sure to pass that information along to you. Not a great start to this Wednesday, 26th November of 2025, but it is some of the news that's happening. Other top stories that we're working for you. Ukraine reported agreeing to President Trump's 28 point peace plan to end the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine. While it may be a step in the right direction, the question remains if Russia will agree. We'll have expert analysis for you. Also. Affordability seems to be on everyone's mind during this holiday season. Some experts say that housing is the root cause, though we'll discuss. And then later, as you begin preparing your Thanksgiving meal, you communities across America participating in community outreach and providing the real change that just doesn't come from the government programs, but that comes from neighbors who are willing to help one another. All of that and so much more coming your way right now on america's Voice live. With the Thanksgiving holiday upon us, one of the biggest issues on most Americans minds is affordability. Despite the concerns, President Trump is touting how much more affordable this Thanksgiving is compared to years past. And this Thanksgiving, we're also making incredible strides to make America affordable again. Walmart announced that the cost of their standard Thanksgiving meal is 25% lower than just one year ago. That's a big deal. According to the USDA, the price of Thanksgiving turkey is down 33% from its Biden era highs. Potatoes are down 13%. Ham is down 15% compared to last Thanksgiving. So we are down to a level that we haven't seen in a long time. Egg prices are down 86% since March and gasoline will soon be hovering around $2 a gallon. Under our leadership, we passed the largest tax cuts in history, the largest spending cuts in history. Joining me to discuss is political strategist and founder of Valris, Duane McClure also joined the conversation, economist for the American Institute research, Paul Mueller. Gentlemen, welcome to the show. Good to have you this afternoon.

[Paul Mueller]

Thanks for having us.

[Terrence Bates]

Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Paul, want to start with you. You just heard the president's assessment, but are Americans actually feeling this difference? Saying the numbers is one thing, but perception may not necessarily be reality for so many others.

[Paul Mueller]

I think that's right. You know, President Trump has picked a few items to talk about. You know, the Walmart Thanksgiving meal package that's down 25% is not the same Thanksgiving meal package that they had a year ago. So part of lower price is that there's fewer items or smaller portions. Our institute has a Thanksgiving meal index and shows that prices are actually up a little bit from a year ago. And so I think, though there are some prices that have come down. Certainly eggs and gas prices have come down. There's a lot of prices that haven't. Tariffs are a part of that. I think economic uncertainty is a part of that. So this is really a mixed bag. It's not that prices are up a lot, but I think that prices are not down across the board the way most people had hoped they would be.

[Terrence Bates]

Dwayne I'm curious if affordability is a make or break political issue at the moment. Yes, affordability is first and foremost at everyone's mind, especially as we are in the holiday season. With my team at Valris, we've been conducting a bit of research on people's sentiments towards the affordability. They tend to view right now as kind of a juxtaposition. They view the economy as having never been better, but their own personal financial situation as still a challenge. They do tend to credit President Trump, however, with relieving a lot of the.

[Paul Mueller]

Pressures that they felt that they had.

[Terrence Bates]

Under the previous administration.

[Paul Mueller]

So I think that very much like.

[Terrence Bates]

Mr. Mueller was saying, that it's kind of a mixed bag for the American.

[Paul Mueller]

People and that reflects in the numbers that we're seeing.

[Terrence Bates]

Dwayne, just really quickly to follow up on that. While it is a mixed bag, is this a mixed bag that potentially could carry into the midterms, or since it's Thanksgiving and we're spending a little bit more money, we're going into the holiday season, Is this a bit more of a relevant issue at the moment, but it's something that could wane or give way to something else moving forward as we're pretty much a year away from the next election? No, it's. It's definitely something that can carry over into the midterms. Fortunately for President Trump and the Republicans, it seems as though the trend is going downward, which is great because this same Thanksgiving meal back in 2022 was about $10 more than it is today. So if we continue with that same.

[Paul Mueller]

Trend next year, this current decline and expansion of ag policy that has allowed this decline to occur is going to.

[Terrence Bates]

Bode well for Republicans. Paul, big picture, Are Americans going to really start to feel the effects of a better economy or what's at least being to as a better economy? What I'm reading is quarter one of next year, quarter two of next year. Is that realistic? And if it doesn't happen by then, are Republicans in trouble?

[Paul Mueller]

I think it is realistic. So, you know, many of President Trump's agenda items have been pro growth, you know, trying to deregulate the economy, promoting energy development and lowering energy prices. The tax cuts that went in, all those are pro growth, though they take time to really kick in. So I think quarter one, quarter two next year we'll see a lot more as tax refunds go out, as more of the investment this year is kind of getting online. So those are all good. The tariffs are the big wild car and have been all year. And I think President Trump has signaled that he's interested in getting some more certainty and scaling some of those back. A couple of weeks ago, he dropped tariffs on some of the more daily items that Americans buy, bananas and coffee and so forth. So my guess is that we'll see some more scaling back of tariffs as affordability becomes a key issue. We'll see some of his pro growth policies kick in. And if they don't, if we, if the economy is struggling and people are still feeling even a mixed bag, even if things aren't worse, but they feel like they're not getting better, then I would say yes, the Republicans are probably in a lot of trouble next year.

[Terrence Bates]

Gentlemen, we'll have to leave the conversation there. We appreciate you joining us with your expertise today. Enjoy your Thanksgiving and hopefully we'll have you back on the air soon.

[Paul Mueller]

Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Terrence Bates]

Happy Thanksgiving to both of you. All right, folks, we want to get you back to Washington, D.C. we were telling you at the beginning of the show that two National Guardsmen have been shot in the vicinity of the White House. At this point, we don't have a lot of information, but we do want to get Brian Glenn, our chief White House correspondent, on the line to see what else he can offer to this story. Brian, can you hear me?

[Brian Glenn]

Yeah, Terrence, how are you doing?

[Terrence Bates]

I'm well. I hate to hear this news, particularly on the day before Thanksgiving. What can you add to our reporting? What are you hearing?

[Brian Glenn]

Yeah, this is an area very familiar with anyone who travels in and out of the white house. Obviously 17th street in Pennsylvania is the main entrance that we enter the White House grounds, but just one block up for that is 17th and I Street and that is where this shooting occurred. We've got two National Guardsmen have been shot. They're being one is from what I can understand, have been airlifted to a local hospital. They have one suspect in custody. There is no description of who this individual is, but I'm very familiar with this area. There is a park right near this West Fargott train Metro station. Basically where the train system is the series of escalators. This is where I would say a lot of your a lot of homeless hang out in this area, perhaps a lot of people that are looking to maybe cause some trouble back in the day before the National Guard. So this is somewhat surprising, especially Terrence, during the day this happened at 2:20 local time. So it's not late at night. It's not early hours of the morning. It's right there in the daytime. A lot of people are hustling in and out of that area. A lot of government buildings are in that area, a lot of lobbyists and other people that serve the government. That's where they work, live and eat. And so this is somewhat shocking that something like this could happen in an area. And Terrence, just yesterday I was in the Starbucks that's not far from where this took place and there was about four or five National Guardians that came in. I thanked them for their service. They told me they were going to be there until March through the holidays and they said that their response with people was somewhat supportive. People would come up to them and thank them for their service and why they're there. So I'm real interested to see exactly what happened on this and what caused two National Guardsmen to be shot engaging in this one suspect that's in custody.

[Terrence Bates]

Brian, I'm going to pepper you with some questions and I realize that information is just now coming in and there's still not a whole lot to go on, but there are of course a lot of questions to be asked and I think for front and center is whether or not there was some sort of altercation potentially between the suspect and these National Guardsmen leading up to the shooting or does this seem to be, and I hate to use the term random because it seems like it very likely was targeted.

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[Brian Glenn]

You know what's interesting, Terrence? Anybody that's been to the White House, when you get a couple blocks away from the park there on the north lawn, just across the fence, Lafayette park, this is where you get a lot of activists. This is where you get a lot of people that have come to DC either to, you know, advocate for a certain group or certain cause, maybe they just want to protest President Trump, I don't know. But that is, this is an area you do see a lot of that gathering. So you have to maybe, maybe at least wonder or at least bring up a conversation if perhaps someone got into some type of verbal argument which escalated into some type of firearm being drawn. Just speculating at this point. So maybe somebody maybe had an issue with the National Guard being there, right there in front of the White House. And of course, that's been a very controversial subject. Terence, you and I have talked about this over and over, about the some of the pushback of the locals, and I call them locals. But a lot of times these rallies, these people come into town, they're not Even from the D.C. area, they get bussed into D.C. in front of the White House to protest National Guards being there. So a lot of times they're not even local. So I don't know if this suspect is from the area, if he's from outside the area. But I do know one thing that these, this is some very this. I think, in my opinion, someone who goes to the White House every day through this 17th Street, Pennsylvania entrance, two blocks away from what we're talking about. This should elevate the awareness, and I think we're going to see more National Guard specifically around this hotbed where some of these activists like to gather.

[Terrence Bates]

Brian, I know that area very well as well, and one of the things that I remember of it is that there are also office buildings there and there are local eateries. You know, there are little restaurants and that kind of thing where the people who work in that area go for lunch. So I would imagine even on this day before Thanksgiving, that this didn't just happen when there wasn't much of a crowd. I'm sure that there were at least a decent number of people in that area for work as well.

[Brian Glenn]

Yeah, that's a safe assumption, Terrence. This is a very busy area, even with the holiday coming up. A lot of people may have what we would call a half day today. A lot of people out and about. So at 2:20 in the afternoon, there was definitely people around that area. And that's a very busy Metro station there. That is one of the lead centers. So if you're coming to D.C. and you want to come to the White House, that's pretty much the exit, the train station that you get off of the Metro to come up to the street level and then go off into the front of the White House. So to answer your question, I am sure that there were a lot of people that saw this. I've seen some pictures posted up online of the crime scene. It looks like there were, you know, certainly people on the streets backed off of the kind of the perimeter that the national guard and the D.C. police have set up, but just a very sad situation. But we can confirm that one of those National Guardsmen was airlifted to a local hospital, which, which makes me assume that those injuries might have been a little bit more substantive, requiring immediate medical attention.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. Brian, before I let you go, somewhat of a two part question. Has there been any response or anything coming out of the White House relative to this attack? And the second part of that question would be whether your expectation is that the National Guardsmen who are now serving on the streets of Washington D.C. will be armed. Will there be a change in policy, if you will, to any increase their ability to protect themselves?

[Brian Glenn]

I haven't seen, as of right now, any official statement from the White House. I can confirm that the White House is aware of this situation. So they are obviously watching. And that was pretty much their, their, their statement that they are keeping an eye on the situation and prayers to the two that were shot. Now, in terms of the way these National Guards now when they first came to D.C. you didn't see a lot of these National Guard having a firearm, a firearm on them. As of lately, I have noticed more and more officers with a sidearm, more of a pistol, maybe a 9 millimeter on their side. Some of them had an AR type of weapon on them as well. So you do see them carrying a firearm, which I guess and may perhaps in this particular incident. I don't know if those National Guard men had firearms on them or not. So that's, that's one thing I think we need to find out. But in light of this, I think you can expect to see National Guardsmen have the full, you know, ability to carry a weapon in case something like this happens again.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. Our RAV White House chief correspondent or chief White House correspondent. Excuse me, Brian Glenn reporting to us this morning from Washington D.C. brian, we appreciate it. We may check back with you if we get any more updated information. Brian, thanks so much.

[Brian Glenn]

Thank you, Terrence.

[Terrence Bates]

Of course. Once again, folks, just to recap, if you're joining us, two National Guard troops have been shot in the vicinity of the White House. We're told that one was airlifted to a local hospital. The conditions on both of those troops still not available. In the meantime, the Metropolitan Police Department there in Washington D.C. says that it did in fact respond to the shooting and we're hearing that a suspect is in custody right now. A spokesperson for Mayor Muriel Blauser, who is the mayor there in Washington D.C. says that local leaders are aware and actively monitoring the situation. Again, this all happened in the vicinity of the White House. President Trump, though, is at Mar a Lago, so obviously no effect on him. He is not in that particular area. But we are waiting and expecting to have some sort of reaction or statement from the White House. And the moment we get that, we of course will pass that along to you. And again, as I said, a suspect is in custody right now, so we'll continue to update you. We want to bring in Lieutenant Colonel Allen west now to join this conversation. Lieutenant Colonel west, it is always good to see you. I was hoping that we were going to be meeting today on different circumstances, but a sad state of affairs as we're now hearing that two National Guardsmen who were stationed and working there in Washington D.C. have been shot. When you hear this sort of news, what's the first thing that comes to mind?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Lt. Col. Well, first thing that comes to mind are those two National Guardsmen who took an oath to support and defend the Constitution and their families as well, especially at this time of Thanksgiving. So prayers and thoughts go out to them for, you know, hopefully their recovery and also to the families who are very concerned about their loved ones. The very first thing that comes to my mind, being a former commander, is the rules of engagement. ROE when you put military members out in any situation, you need to make sure that they have very clear and specific rules of engagement. And Brian Glenn just brought up a great point that we need to ascertain. Were these National Guardsmen armed? If they weren't, then it leads me to believe that for some odd reason they may have been targeted. The second thing that I want to bring out is that you're talking about the District of Color, Columbia, one of the most restricted areas when it comes to gun control for legal law abiding citizens. How is it that this person was able to get a firearm and walk all through Washington D.C. and then confront and shoot these two National Guardsmen. So it just goes to show once again that only law abiding citizens follow the law. Anyone that's looking for an affairs or criminal actions are not going to follow the law. And we just pray that these two National Guardsmen survive this attack.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. Context is everything. And as I'm reporting this story, I am also thinking, Lt. Col. West, that we've been doing this or there's been a National Guard deployment for months now in Washington D.C. and this is the first major incident that we're hearing of which I do think speaks to the success of this mission so far. I'd love to get your perspective though, as a, as a veteran.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

No, you're absolutely right. I think that we, you know, the fact that we have not had anything like this up to this point does show a degree of success. But I think also that when you have some of these elected officials from the left that are out there with this insightful rhetoric that are causing people to target, not just ice, but now it seems, our National Guard troops who are there trying to make sure that people have safety and security. And we've seen the numbers, we've seen the drops in, you know, violent crime there in Washington, D.C. and I think that's something that we need to look at. I mean, look at what's going on in Chicago where you had the gentleman that set a woman afire. So it is very important that we restore law and order to our streets and we don't have this wanton violence that is going on. But for someone to, and maybe this is preemptive, but for someone to seemingly target two of our National Guardsmen that are out there trying to protect American citizens, that's very disconcerting.

[Terrence Bates]

To Lt. Col. West, you said something just a little while ago that piqued my interest. The ROE the rules of engagement, and that there should be clear rules of engagement as far as, you know, were the rules of engagement for these National Guardsmen clear? And I asked that because some, we were told, and there's been reporting on this, some National Guardsmen were allowed to be outfitted with, with weapons. Others weren't the duties of. Some were simply kind of more to clean up and to, to, to have a presence. Were the rules of engagement, as far as, you know, clear in terms of what these National Guards Guardsmen who are deployed there in Washington, D.C. can and cannot do?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, I have not seen their rules of engagement. Okay. That's the number one question that we have to ask is what were those rules of engagement? And then, of course, were these two National Guardsmen that were armed or they not armed? If they were armed, then we need to make sure, sure we understand what the rules of engagement were. Because if they were told you cannot draw and you cannot protect yourself until you're fired upon, well, guess what happens? The bad guy gets the drop on you. If you are out there and you're unarmed, which should not be the case, then you're a target. So I think that that's one of the most important things we need to go back and look at what were the criteria by which we deployed and put these young men, who, women out there in those situations, because you never want to put them in an untenable situation. They need to know clearly that they have the ability to protect themselves against any type of threats or any type of attack.

[Terrence Bates]

I hate to be a negative, Nancy, but when I see situations like this and realize that there are other Guardsmen deployed in other cities and other federal agents deployed in other cities, I wonder if there may be copycats, if this may embolden people who are upset about those deployments, and we have the potential for this sort of kind of situation playing itself out again. Your thoughts?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, absolutely. I mean, let's be honest. We've already had that. When you have people that are ramming and attempting to run over ICE agents, we're talking about law enforcement officials that are out enforcing the law. But yet you have this wanton violence and this desire for confusion and chaos to support illegal actions and activities. We are already there. But the fact that, once again, you have someone that, you know, targeted these two individuals for shooting, that really takes it to an even higher level. So we have got to do something and calm down this rhetoric and calm down all of these disparaging means by which people are referring to law enforcement officers and National Guardsmen that are out there. And we've seen, you know, the tapes of people shouting at them and calling them these very ugly names. These are Americans, Americans that, you know, are the best amongst us. And we should be thankful that they're out there putting their lives on the line and sacrificing so that you can have the safety and security on American streets.

[Terrence Bates]

Lt. Col. West, from your lips to God's ears. Hopefully the rhetoric and the temperature comes down a little bit so that all of our law enforcement and soldiers on the streets of our cities are a little safer. We appreciate your time, Lieutenant Colonel Weiss.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Terrence Bates]

Always a pleasure. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. I'm remiss to say that I apologize. All right, folks, again, you're looking at Pictures of Washington, D.C. just in case you're joining us just now, two National Guard troops have been shot. We're told that one has been rushed to the hospital. At this point, we don't know the conditions of either of those troops, but one apparently flown to the hospital. We are working to find out the conditions. We're also hearing that a suspect is currently in custody. And we, of course, will get you more information about all of this as we get it. Now we want to bring in retired FBI Executive Assistant Director Chris Piotta to talk a bit more about this. Chris, good afternoon. Can you hear me?

[Chris Piotta]

I can. Good afternoon.

[Terrence Bates]

Good Afternoon. So as a, as a retired FBI agent, how fearful are you that this sort of situation will play itself out in cities across the country where FBI agents are being called on to keep the peace, where other National Guardsmen are being called on to keep the peace?

[Chris Piotta]

Well, I fear for the safety and well being of all of my brother and sister law enforcement officers as well as our uniformed military personnel. I think that this is a tactic and intimidation. And if we as a law enforcement community or the national defense community buckle, you'll see this happen more and more. And I think this has to draw a very swift and maybe severe response.

[Terrence Bates]

Are you expecting that the rules of engagement, and you may have just heard our last guest, Lt. Col. West, talk about rules of engagement? Do you think that this will force clarity, if you will, in rules of engagement and will it ratchet up those rules of engagement that FBI agents, other law enforcement will be allowed to use as they descend on various cities across the country?

[Chris Piotta]

You might see a review of the current rules of engagement. I don't think the government's going to want to escalate potential use of force against the population if this is a, you can call a single incident or an isolated incident. But I do think there will be a review and there will be an emphasis placed upon force protection for our National Guard members, our uniformed police officers and law enforcement partners. They already live in this world day to day, so they may just have to tighten up some of their approaches.

[Terrence Bates]

What is your expectation in terms of how the situation should be handled? I would imagine when you have something like this, all hands have got to be on deck.

[Chris Piotta]

Oh yeah. You see on the video, it's a law enforcement convention right now. I mean, I've seen jackets and patches from every kind of law enforcement organization. What's going to happen is, is all of the senior folks from all the responding and jurisdictional agencies are going to get together. They're going to decide how this investigation is going to be framed and then they're going to, there's going to be a lead organization, then everybody else will move into a support role. They'll coordinate with the National Guard and the Pentagon and they'll figure out how to look into these individuals or the suspect that's in custody. Are there anybody, anyone else involved? Is there any type of networked attack? You know, those type of things are going to be looked at and you'll see that all of the federal partners will bring in their skills, abilities and their resources to help with technical evidence collection, shooting scene reconstruction, things of that Sort. So you'll see just a very large joint investigative effort.

[Terrence Bates]

Okay, stand by. Just want to read this tweet that came out from the Trump administration. It says the animal that shot the two National Guardsmen, with both being critically wounded and now in two separate hospitals, is also severely wounded, but regardless, will pay a very steep price. God bless our great National Guard and all of our military and law enforcement. These are truly great people. I, as President of the United States and everyone associated with the office of the presidency, am with you. He writes. So obviously, as you heard there, President Trump is aware of what's going on. Kristi Noem is also out with a tweet, basically acknowledging what's going on here. Obviously, that's important. But I think the bigger story is how do we rebound from this? How do we move forward from this? And what's the best way to at least approach that process from your perspective?

[Chris Piotta]

Strength and resolve. The people who are trying to intimidate our law enforcement personnel cannot be allowed to do so. Our law enforcement professionals cannot buckle. They cannot retreat. And what we have to do now is figure out better defensive measures for our personnel. And we can't allow people who are going to use violence to cower our law enforcement and our communities to prevail. So I think you'll see some changes in tactics and you'll see some additional presence when it comes to the protection of our uniformed military folks.

[Terrence Bates]

All right, well, we appreciate you taking some of your time out to talk to us this afternoon on this day before Thanksgiving. Unfortunately. Unfortunately for at least two families, this Thanksgiving won't be quite as sweet as their loved ones are being treated for those gunshot wounds. Thank you so much for your time.

[Chris Piotta]

Thank you, sir. And God bless the folks who were victims, and I wish them a speedy recovery.

[Terrence Bates]

Amen. Absolutely. All right, we now want to bring in Turning Point USA White House correspondent Monica Page. Monica, Terrence Bates here. Appreciate you taking some time out to talk to us as we continue to look at the these pictures of law enforcement really kind of getting together around the White House. They're near the White House following the shooting of those two National Guard troops. What more can you tell us? What are you hearing from your sources in terms of what may have happened here?

[Monica Page]

Hey, Terrence, I really appreciate you having me on. It's truly terrifying as somebody who's there every single day, about five days a week, eight hours a day for the most part, maybe even longer. And to hear that something like this had happened, I mean, it should make everybody concerned what we Hear right now is that the White House is on lockdown. There are reporters that are kind of confined to the press briefing room as of right now. There are others who are still behind yellow tape at local coffee shops across the street from the White House who do not have access to the White House right now. We know that the area, the location, it's all secure. Apparently they have a suspension suspect in custody as well. And I did hear that. I believe one or two of those troops were airlifted to the hospital. They had a helicopter and a medvac kind of fly in over national, the National Mall and kind of try to do our best to make sure that our troops are safe and they're going to survive this. But it's truly terrifying. And from the D.C. metro, I mean, it's not just reporters outside the White House or, you know, our National Guard troops, but, you know, According to the D.C. metro, that Metro stop right near the White house sees over 11,000 people coming in and around the White House every single day. So those are also commuters who are entering that station. These are also just everyday people, you know, in and around the White House. And the president has really to make this city safe again. I'm hoping this is some kind of isolated incident, but truly, truly terrifying as somebody who's always around there.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah, Monica, we're looking at live pictures of the scene. You know, it looks like lots of office buildings there. There's parks there, restaurants. So one would imagine that there were people around when all of this happened. Just out of curiosity, though, really quickly before we move on, where are you right now in relation to where all of this happened?

[Monica Page]

So I'm so luckily I was out of there before any of this happened. I was checking in with my team, making sure everybody good if nobody needs anything. But I do know people who are trying to get in to do their live hits, to do their reporting just before the holiday weekend. And it's really scary to know that, you know, these people can't do their jobs or like they are living in fear of going to work every single day. And this is what, this is what their reality is. So I'm glad that I'm not there. I'm glad that I had left even before any of this happened. I'm five months pregnant, so I can't even imagine if this were to happen near me or if this happened to me or, you know, these are things that, you know, these are, these are everyday people. This is truly terrifying. I'm hoping that we can get some quick answers as to who this person is and how we go from here. I understand the president also has been briefed on this situation as well, and I'm assuming all of his team and staff members have also been briefed. So I'm hoping that everyone's safe.

[Terrence Bates]

The president was already out with a tweet on social media letting everyone know that he's been briefed on the situation, as well aware calling the person involved, the suspect, an animal. I'm just curious and you talked about this just a little bit and just want to clarify. So as far as you're hearing, the White House is currently on lockdown. I suspect that that is just standard policy. It's as a precaution, not necessarily because there's a thought that the White House was in some way being targeted. Can you clear that up for us?

[Monica Page]

Yes. So when any sort of suspicious package is found on the premises, in and around the White House, even in the park and across the street, Lafayette park across from the White House, even if they find any kind of suspicious person or package, they got to clear out the entire area. And reporters do have to get on lockdown. This is not the first time that I've heard of reporters having to be on lockdown, unfortunately. But, you know, in this climate that we're in right now, especially with the president that we have and the kind of people that are spewing this kind of rhetoric, unfortunately, this has opened up to so much more danger, and you never know who's outside the White House as well. I was talking with my team, and just yesterday as I was leaving the White House, there was this random woman with a professional camera zooming in and focusing on all of us leaving the White House. And it's like, who are these people? You never truly know, you know, who is in and around the area, especially in such a secure place. But, you know, this is concerning. This should concern everybody.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Sure.

[Terrence Bates]

During times like this, I think sometimes it's also important to kind of take a step back. Would you put into perspective for us how Washington, D.C. has changed over the last several months since these National Guard troops have been deployed there? President Trump often touts how much the city has changed. From your perspective, as someone who spends day in and day out there in the nation's capital, how have you seen DC Change?

[Monica Page]

Oh, it's changed dramatically. Night and day difference. It's refreshing to see the National Guard troops that are in and around the Metro. Every time I see them there, I always make sure to take some time out to thank them for being there. And Keeping us safe. Unfortunately, this incident may not convince many people that D.C. is safe. But from what I have seen over the past few months since the President has tried and established a safer DC I can tell you with full confidence that I have never felt safer riding the Metro by myself, going to and from work, going to and from, you know, food shopping or whatever I need to do. And I've. And I felt very good. So this incident, you know, I'm hoping this is just a one off, but like I said, you just never know who's out there around the White House. I know the President has done such a fantastic job in making this city safe and clean, and I know his team has done a fantastic job as well. So my prayers and my heart go out to these National Guard troops and their families, especially right before Thanksgiving.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah, I join you in those prayers. And as you said, I hope this is a one off and that the two troops who were injured in all of this do recover fully. I'm curious, in your interactions with these National Guardians troops, as you see them going and coming across the city, are you able to kind of quantify how many of them are armed and how many of them are unarmed? Is it common to see these Guard troops who are posted across the city with firearms, or is that more of a, you know, are fewer of them armed?

[Monica Page]

Every time I've seen the National Guard troops, whether it's in the metro system or if it's in, you know, one of the local parks around, just kind of patrolling the area, they've always been armed in some way, shape or form. And I don't know, I personally feel safe when I see that. I feel great when I see that. There always seem to be in good spirits, which is also really refreshing. Every time I say thank you, they always give a smile and they thank me back. So, you know, God bless these troops. You know, they're really risking their lives every single day to be in the face of danger, to be putting themselves out into the unknown, not only in D.C. but in also other cities, cities as well. And it's really disheartening when I see the violence against them, whether it's just rhetoric or even the actions, especially what we've seen today, because these people are risking their lives, these people have families, and they're just trying to do the right thing. And that's what really hurts the most. So they're always armed, they always seem to be in good spirits, and I hope that that continues given the situation.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. Thank you again so much for just dropping everything that you were doing and joining us.

[Paul Mueller]

Thank you.

[Terrence Bates]

To give us your perspective on what's happening there. We hope that you enjoy your Thanksgiving and thanks again for being here with us this afternoon.

[Monica Page]

Thank you, Terrence. God bless. And happy Thanksgiving.

[Terrence Bates]

Bless you as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. All right, folks, we're going to continue our coverage. If you're just joining us, two National Guard troops have been shot near the White House there in the vicinity. We're told that one of them has been airlifted to a nearby hospital, the other also being treated. At this point, there's no information specific to their conditions. We also do know, though, that a suspect is in custody, the motivation behind this attack and all of that is still being worked out. And we're continuing to work our sources to try to get you as much updated information as possible. Joining the conversation now is former Secret Service member and former FBI Special Agent Jonathan Gilliam, also a friend of the show. Jonathan, good to see you. I hate that it's under these circumstances. Circumstances. All right, sounds. Sounds like we don't have Jonathan. Jack Posobic is available, though. He is going to join us now. Jack, good to see you as well. Similar to what I was saying about Jonathan, I hate that it's under these circumstances. What can you tell us at this point? What do you have to add to this conversation as we're again getting more information about these two National Guardians, Guardsmen who were shot near the White House. Both of them are said to be treated at the hospital.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Terrence, absolutely horrific that this took place. And yet it's once more again a string of violence that we've seen take place this year, a string of violence where unfortunately it seems to be targeted. And typically we've seen in these cases that they have political motives. You go back to the assassination of President Trump, you look at Luigi Maggione, the assassination of Charlie Kirk and so many more acts, school shootings, the killing of the Israeli embassy officials just a few months ago in Washington, D.C. as well. And unfortunately, the violence now seems to continue. We're told, of course, that one suspect is in custody where President Trump had put out, that both guardsmen are in critical condition and certainly we continue to pray for them. I did get a chance to speak with some members of the White House staff and fortunately we're told that many members of the staff who work right there in that eeob, the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which is just steps away from where the shooting take place. Many of the staff had actually gone home already for the Thanksgiving break. We know, of course, Vice President Vance is down in Kentucky for Campbell, President with, with his wife Usha. President Trump and Melania had headed down already to Mar A Lago. So a lot of the staff of the White House that you would see on a regular day that goes by this Farragut Square, Terrence, this is a main thoroughfare. This is a place where you can see a lot of staffers, a lot of people who work in the White House when they're going for lunch break, when they're leaving work, etc. This is a place where they are very frequently, look, I mean, I walk down there when I'm going into the White House, you know, depending on, you know, where I park the car or where I'm coming from. So this is a place that's very, very close to the White House. And had it not been the day before Thanksgiving, you could have potentially had White House staffers there.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. Jack. I hate to be the negative person, but I also have to be a realist. And one of the questions that comes to my mind is whether this will embolden people in other cities where we've got, you know, federal agents, we've got other law enforcement as well as National Guardsmen position in order to try to keep the peace. Is that a concern to you? Am I off base here?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, you're not off base at all. And unfortunately, you're correct. This is something that could spark copycats. One thing that we see with violence going all the way back to the first, you know, sort of modern school shooting in Columbine is the threat of copycat violence. And violence does tend to beget violence. People believe that they can become immortalized, that they can become famous, that they can gain notoriety for committing these acts, political acts of violence. And so we've also been in a situation where, similar to Charlie Kirk, where Charlie Kirk's assassin had those bullets printed hey, fascist Catch or Bella Chow, the antifa anthem printed on them, etched on them. We know that, that the mainstream media, the Democrats and the left, were constantly demonizing Charlie Kirk as a fascist, as someone who was evil, as someone who was anti trans, as someone who needed to be shut down. You pair that up with Tyler Robinson's statement that we need to end the hate. Well, what have we also seen happen over just the last few weeks? The demonization of our National Guardsmen, the demonization of ice, the demonization of federal law enforcement in city after city.

[Terrence Bates]

The.

[Jack Posobiec]

They talk about it as if President Trump is launching an invasion of these cities. When he's just sending National Guardsmen. By the way, many of the National Guardsmen in these areas are drawn up from those states themselves. It's where they live, they're the local units. So these are people that typically live in these areas themselves. So it's not like it's some kind of invasion force. It's actually a defense of people who live in the neighborhood, live in the state, live in the area. And when Mayor Elect Mandami was in the Oval Office and I was there, I guess that was last Friday, they asked him, do you feel that New York is at threat of ICE agents coming in? So once again, federal law enforcement in this country is getting a target painted on their back by the mainstream media, by elements of the left and so many others. And unfortunately, it seems in this case, and of course it remains to be seen, but it seems in this case that these two were targeted specifically because of the uniforms that they wear. And you can't take it out of that context.

[Terrence Bates]

Hey, Jack, we've been talking about rules of engagement, and this is something that I'm very interested in. I'm hoping that you can offer some more perspective on what the rules of engagement are for the National Guardsmen who are deployed in the nation's capital. Can you shed some light on that, if you will?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, so, you know, speaking of someone who is a prior military officer. Officer, you know, when you talk about rules of engagement, of course there's such a thing as escalation of force. That's when you're being challenged. So I don't. We have to get the actual details of what happened in this iteration here. The story that I heard just in passing. And so, you know, caveat on that, but the story that I heard briefly was that someone walked up and pulled a gun out and fired point blank. And in that case, there may not have even been a chance for the, the Guardsmen to be able to react. But in, in any case, self defense is always authorized. So if they were armed, and not all of the National Guardsmen that have been going around D.C. have been armed, that's just a fact. Similar to what we saw on January 6. Some are armed, some are not. The national guardsmen on January 6th were not armed. But then the National Guardsmen that were deployed to Biden's inauguration and spent several weeks, I think about eight weeks deployed in Washington D.C. around that time period were mostly armed. And so self defense is always authorized. So the idea that someone can pull out a gun and fire upon a National Guardsman member of Law enforcement that becomes a self defense situation. And self defense is always authorized. That's beyond the rules of engagement. That's just basic self preservation, which by the way, is something that you and I would have under the Second Amendment. Something that anyone would have because of the protection of your own life or the lives of others.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. That's just a basic right. You mentioned earlier, and I think you made a critical point that the rhetoric has been such in this country, the political rhetoric, that it's encouraging people to target local law enforcement and otherwise. What needs to happen in order to try to bring down the temperature? Does Congress. Do lawmakers need to be sanctioned when they say things that are just so outrageous and that would encourage someone to potentially do something heinous like what we're seeing now?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, look, Terrence, you know, we absolutely need to get to the bottom of what exactly happened here. Who the suspect or if there are other suspects involved, what was their motivation? What drove them to commit this horrible act. But certainly there's no question that the rhetoric needs to be toned down. And you saw this video, the seditious six that the President of the United States States has been targeting and criticizing. We're now seeing Senator Kelly under investigation as a retired member of the armed forces because of his comments claiming that the President had ordered the armed forces of the United States to conduct illegal orders and making it out as though there was some sort of autocratic despot who has taken over the White House and is ordering the military to. To conduct illegal acts. Again, these National Guardsmen, I see them around. I see them around Farragut Square, I see them around Lafayette Square. They're usually just talking to people as they come by. They're keeping an eye on things. They're making sure that everything is fine. You see them on the National Mall as well. They're certainly presenting no threat to anyone. But again, if you have this ginned up rhetoric from the mainstream media, the ginned up rhetoric from Secretary or Senator Kelly and so many others, then it puts a bullseye right on the back of the National Guardsmen, the same way they put a bullseye on Charlie Kirk because of their rhetoric. And it's something that absolutely needs to be responded to. And we were told, Terrence, we were told in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder that the rhetoric would be toned down. I think that lasted about a day.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah, let's hope that the rhetoric continues to be toned down. Jack, we appreciate you want to go to J.D. vance, the Vice President. He is speaking right now. Now let's listen to what he has to say.

[J.D. Vance]

Well, it is great to be here in beautiful Fort Campbell, Kentucky. And let me just say, I want to say first before we get started on a somber note, we had, and some of you may have seen this on, on your phones or on social media, but apparently there was a shooting outside the White House just a couple of hours ago, and we're still learning everything. We still don't know the motive. There's a lot that we haven't yet figured out. But what we do know is that a couple of National Guardsmen were injured in the line of duty. And first of all, I want everybody who's a person of faith to say a prayer for those two National Guardsmen that they're able to spend Thanksgiving with their families instead of losing their. Their lives, because I understand they're still in pretty tough condition. But I think it's a somber reminder that soldiers, whether they're active duty, Reserve or National Guard, our soldiers are the sword and the shield of the United States of America. And as a person who goes into work every single day in that building and knows that there are a lot of people who wear the uniform of the United States army, let me just say, very personally thank them for what they're doing. We're grateful to them and we're praying that they're going to be safe and they're going to spend Thanksgiving with their families. God bless them. Now, I'm going to talk a little bit about the business of the army and about what you're doing and about why it's important to the United States of America and why we are proud of you, every single one of our soldiers here in Fort Campbell and all across the world. We have got some incredible guests here, here to honor this moment, to honor you, to say thanks to so many of you for spending time away from your families here this day before Thanksgiving. And I want to give just a few shout outs to some of our special guests before we get started. First of all, to General Travis McIntosh and Command Sergeant Major Charles Walker. Thank you guys for leading this incredible facility and thank you for, for serving in the United States army and making us proud. Where are you guys? Please stand up and be recognized. Thank you all. We've got my dear friend, Senator Marsha Blackburn. Marsha, please stand up and say hello. And we also have Congressman Rose. Where is Congressman. Congressman Rose, please stand up. Thank you. Congressman, it's good to see you. Now, I've got to, of course, thank my dear friend, Bob Ritchie. You better know him as Kid Rock. But I want to say to my staff, I gave them one instruction, and that's that I don't have to follow a literal rock star before I give a speech. And they screwed that up the day before Thanksgiving, so every single one of them are fired. But thank you to Bob Ritchie, Kid Rock, because he's not just a great musician, he's not just a great American. He is a person who loves the soldiers of the United States Army. And we are proud and grateful for Kid Rock for being here today. I want to take another few moments and just say thanks to Major Josh Wilcox, Master Sergeant Aaron Duhacek, Mr. Jim Parks, Major Rob Wright, and every single soldier who made it possible for me to come and visit. Now, I won't say that the weather is cooperating because it's windy as hell and it is cold. Man, it is cold up here. My staff told me to wear a jacket and I said, now just be fine. And here I am two minutes in wishing that I had listened because it is, it is really freezing cold up here. But we're going to, we're going to have a little fun.

[Terrence Bates]

So you've been listening. According to Vice President J.D. vance, he of course, came out. He's at Fort Campbell in Kentucky, set to meet with troops before Thanksgiving, but also acknowledging the shootings of two National Guard troops in Washington, D.C. we now have an update. We are hearing that the two troops are West Virginia National Guard members and both of them have now reportedly passed away from their injuries sustained as they were shot right outside the White House or near the White House. Eric Bolling joining us now with his thoughts on all of what has happened. Eric, welcome to the show again. I hate that it's under these circumstances. Your initial gut thought, your initial thoughts on all of this, Eric, as we're now learning that these two West Virginia National Guard members have died after being shot near the White House.

[Eric Bolling]

You know, Terrence, you're breaking the news here. I've been scouring the Internet looking, looking for exactly, you know, very strange because President Trump called him critically wounded and JD Vance just said, let's hope these two Guardsmen are going to be able to spend Thanksgiving tomorrow with their families. I'm just kind of shocked to hear that they passed. I mean.

[Paul Mueller]

Yeah.

[Eric Bolling]

Wow. Yeah. I don't know what to say. I will tell you, the violence against law enforcement is real. And it really kind of lays into why we need to. I think Mark Kelly and I think the Sedition six, those, those six military people who said disobey your military orders, your, your superiors, if you don't believe in what they're telling you to do, it just creates the wrong atmosphere, the wrong narrative for people who already have a thing. They got Trump derangement syndrome. They don't like what Trump's doing, and it just kind of opens the door for more violence. And, you know, it, it, it's, it's, it's not liberals, it's not Democrats who are being shot, it's law enforcement, ice, it's attempted assassinations of Donald Trump, it's Charlie Kirk getting assassinated. So the heightened rhetoric, the left will tell you, oh, it's not us, it's them, it's maga. It's maga, extremists, bs. It's, it's all liberal, it's all progressive. Now, I'm not jumping to a conclusion that we know who the shooter is or what the motives were for, for what this person did, but I will tell you, it is pretty apparent, been doing this a long time, that there's one side that's getting the business end of the gun and another side who's using the hand end of the guns across America right now. Wow. I'm just kind of shocked, Terrence. I apologize, because I, I don't know what to say. I, I don't think President Trump was even expecting to hear what you just reported. And I certainly know J.D. vance, what wasn't two minutes ago, three minutes ago, when he walked on stage and wished them well and hopefully they would spend Thanksgiving with their families.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. And I have to say I was shocked as well. That update that I just shared coming from the Associated Press, which one can question its sourcing, but in general, I think it can be fairly accurate, and I do believe that this is an accurate report from the Associated Press, once again, confirming that the two West Virginia National Guardsmen, which again, is new information as well, that they did both pass a, from their injuries near the White House. In fact, West Virginia's governor also confirming that. So just a sad state of affairs when this sorts of, when this sort of thing happens and when we've been talking about it, and again, you don't want to second guess, there's still information coming in. We don't really know what motivated all of this, but you mentioned it, and I think it's a great point. When you've got lawmakers making videos telling our troops to disregard President Trump's order, saying that the orders are illegal and those sorts of things, it creates an environment that potentially can also put our lawmakers and our law enforcement in harm's way. And this very well may be a result of that. Again, we don't know that for sure, but it absolutely creates an environment. I think that's pretty clear, Eric.

[Eric Bolling]

Yeah, the environment is there. It's watered, it's fed, it's propped up on. On. Always on the left. Always on the left. Can you imagine what. What these six? So I'm sure they didn't have any idea there would be a shooting within days of them putting out that video of suggesting that military people disobey their orders if they don't believe what. What they're giving, what they've been them, but they've been given. But this is what happens when you heighten the rhetoric, when you ratchet up the rhetoric and then bad things happen. You can't turn around and say, we had nothing to do with that. It's the same thing with Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk gets assassinated by a. What they call a furry. Someone who likes to dress in. In weird animal type things and do weird things. He was a. His boyfriend was approached, was a transgender person. Not sure which way that goes boy to girl, girl, girl to boy. But, you know, and then. And then they say, you know, they point to Trump and they say, we're. We're fascist. They say MAG is Nazis and Hitler Youth and white nationalists and white supremacists. And then Charlie Kirk gets assassinated and they go, oh, we had nothing to do with it. Maybe it was maga. Of course, that's not the case. Of course. It's your rhetoric, your heightened rhetoric. You're pointing constantly pointing the finger at the right, calling us things, names of. Of historically horror, horrendous people. You're gonna get people that act out on this stuff. I mean, I'm. I'm just in shock right now that. But these guys passed away. Unfortunately, there's original reporting that the third person was shot. I'm not sure that AS has materialized or not, but, I mean, Terrence is just amazing that the President tweets literally 25 minutes ago, wishing them well, we'll take down the animal that did this. And then JD Vance walks out on stage to a military gathering and says, let's hope they spend Thanksgiving with their loved ones.

[Chris Piotta]

Wow.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Absolutely.

[Eric Bolling]

What a shock.

[Terrence Bates]

Eric, we also have this tweet just in from West Virginia's governor. I'm going to read this and give you a couple of minutes to kind of collect yourself, because it is a shock to all of us. Patrick Morrissey, the governor of West Virginia, writing it's with great sorrow that we can confirm both members of the West Virginia National Guard who were shot earlier today in Washington D.C. have passed away from their injuries. These brave West Virginians lost their lives in the service of their country. We are in ongoing contact with federal officials as the investigation continues. So again, confirmation there again that the two National Guardsmen who were shot in Washington D.C. in fact were West Virginia National Guardsmen. And unfortunately, both of them now have succumbed to their injuries. And the investigation is ongoing. We do know that a suspect is in custody right now. We don't know if other suspects are being sought in all of this, but again, we can now confirm that the two National Guardsmen who were shot there in Washington D.C. were West Virginia National Guardsmen. Both of them now have succumbed to their injuries. Eric. So we've got the confirmation there. You have the last word, sir.

[Eric Bolling]

The only last word is horrendous. Just, just horrendous news, especially for those families of those two Guardsmen who have now perished the day before Thanksgiving. It's just incredible. That empty seat. I know it very well. That empty seat at Thanksgiving. Heartbreaking. It's going to be heartbreaking for them. I'm just thrilled that we have the murderer. We have him in custody. They have him in custody and he's alive. And he'll. We'll find out what the motive was. You know, we'll find out. They'll do the usual investigation. FBI will get involved, find out through scour, through his social media, find out if he has any sort of manifesto, find out what, what inspired him. Because there is an inspiration there. You don't just lose your mind one day and start killing people. You have an inspiration may be misguided, but we'll find out what it was. And you know, God help those seditious 6. If he had any, if they have there's any sort of hat tip towards what, what they said. But yeah, again, that would be speculative. We don't want to do that.

[Terrence Bates]

So. Agreed. Eric, I don't want to speculate, but I will say this. Kind of as we transition into your show, isn't it that much more unsettling that we don't have the answers? If at the moment that all we can do is speculate and wonder what led to this, Particularly when you know that there are other law enforcement and other National Guardsmen who are deployed across this country simply to do their job and to make sure that people are safer in their cities. And when you don't know what may have motivated this, you wonder and you are concerned for the safety of those others? That's what comes to my mind.

[Eric Bolling]

Indeed. Indeed. And if I misspoke by saying misguided, I mean misguided. The guy, this person, I assume it's a man. I have no idea if man, woman, whatever, what they identify, it doesn't matter. This, this animal, as Trump points out as accurately as possible, this animal was inspired by something. We just, we will find out what the inspiration was for this and go after it and go. And go. Weed it out, root it out, find out where this evil.

[Jack Posobiec]

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