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ANTI-ICE Group Storms St. Paul Church! | IT STARTS NOW w/ Professor Penn & Mike Wiener | EP272
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Renee good. Renee good. Renee good. Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Where are your people? Why are you not at Wibble every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people? Where are you? You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you do? What do you do to stand up for your Somali and Latino communities?
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I'm not going to comment.
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You have no comment. Exactly. Renee Good.
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Say your name.
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Renee Good. We have a duty to win. We have a duty to win.
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We have a duty to win.
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For one another. All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real life. Nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters.
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You.
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You come here to a man wearing a suit is a preacher. Did Jesus wear a suit? Did Jesus profit off the words?
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No.
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Jesus would die within.
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Do not touch me.
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Touch me again and see what happens.
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Hey, you can't.
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You are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity? Where are you? You're sinners. You're pretending to be Christians. But we know you live an easy life, don't you? A very easy life while people are starving. Shame. Out now. Out now. Living real comfortable while the people starve. Living real comfortable while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're all living real comfortable, aren't you? Shame on you. Do something. Stand with the Somalis. Stand with the Latinos. Quit ignoring this injustice. He wears a suit and tie and he hangs out with Kristi Noem. How is that a Christian? You're supposed to accept all immigrants, are you not? Why are you not going down a Whipple and joining us in protest against this inhumanity? You claim to be a Christian. Act like one.
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This is the house of God. The Justice Department is vowing to bring charges against protesters who interrupted a Sunday service in St. Paul. Protesters say that a pastor at city's church is also the acting director of enforcement for ICE in St. Paul. Senior investigative reporter Jennifer Mayerly is here with what she's learned about what happened and what's next. What? Well, Erin, here's what we do know.
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St. Paul police responded.
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By that time, we're told protesters were out of the church. They tell us it's part of an active disorderly conduct investigation. The feds say they've launched a civil rights investigation. This is video inside city's church in.
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St. Paul when anti ICE protesters interrupted service Sunday morning.
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Black Lives Matter Twin Cities founder Chantelle Allen was there.
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We went to the church and we knew that we were going to disrupt service. We knew that we were going to disrupt and ask some questions. We didn't know that it was going to turn into a full on protest in general. Probably the basic rule is you shouldn't be going interfering with other people's church services.
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If you do trespass against the church.
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Try to break up a church service and you do so with a certain.
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Type of, let's say intent or certain types of goals, it could rise to either a criminal or a civil or civil matter in terms of a violation of a civil rights law.
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Alan stands by their actions. Interrupting a church service to inform the community of individuals that are terrorizing our community that are standing in their pulpit. That's what we should be doing as citizens.
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We asked if Alan is worried about.
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Civil or criminal charges. I'm concerned that our citizens on a whole are in danger right now and I'm willing to put anything on the line for our democracy.
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Cross our hearts.
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And hope to die by these 50.
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Countries differing so much in race and.
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Religion, in language and culture.
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It is a big idea, a new world order.
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Well, I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but they're not going to trick me twice. The time is now. Foreign. Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Penn, your host. Glad to be with you as always for episode number 273. Coming to you on this January 20th Tuesday night, 7:00pm Central Standard Time. Glad to be with you. Good morning, Tanner.
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Morning.
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That cold open sets the tone for today's conversation because it's such an important watershed moment in American history where we're having protesters enter a church for any reason and disrupt religious ceremony and worship on a Sunday morning. I, I have been worried about this for decades and of course, I come from a family that's experienced this before. And I think the protesters were very upfront about how they felt about things. I mean, they were not wallflowers. And I thought under the circumstance of this we would bring on today, one of the friends of the show, Representative Mike Weiner. Welcome, sir. Thank you for taking your time to get up this morning and come in and, and, and it's, Mike and I have had some very in depth conversations on video about what happens when a society becomes socialist or communist. And we were going to talk anyhow about articles of impeachment that the representative has recently filed in an attempt to unseat Governor Waltz. And all these things to me are related. So. Good morning. Representative Mike Wiener. We're so glad you're here. Thank you very much. It's cold where we are. It's cold where you are. Let's warm it up with some hot conversation. Good morning to you, sir. How are you doing up there?
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Well, I'm doing good. It is, it is cold this morning. I think we're at about minus 15 right now. And yeah, it's, it's interesting times we live in, isn't it? And I think we're put here for a reason. So thanks for having me on. Thanks for the opportunity and really what our job is here is to, to help educate. Right. To explain the situation of what's going on in the state and our country and look forward to having a, a good conversation today about what's happening.
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Well, I want to pick up where we left off because in one of our recent podcasts we talked at great length about communism and what happens when communism takes root and gets a hold and takes over in a society. And what we're really recognizing, Tanner and I think you can see it, the noun is communism. The verb that goes with it is theft. And we're living in a state which is well established, a well established socialist model. We haven't had a Republican chief executive for 20 years. And I have had some pretty intense interactions with that and around that issue because I wouldn't say that that was a, that was not a very conservative governor. So we've had progressivism in this state, which from my perspective is another word for socialism for a very long time, probably going back to Hubert Humphrey as a, as a, as a benchmark when we made that turn. So we're here, we're here. We're here right now. Today. You're elected in a district which, if I remember, isn't your district about plus 20 red? Is that right? Did I get it right?
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This is a 75% red district. So it's a, it's a pretty good area to be in it, but it's.
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It'S a safe area politically for Republicans. You could say Correct.
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You could. But just a little bit of history. It wasn't that long ago that this area was Democrat. This was dfl our representative going back a few years. I think, if I recall correctly, about 20 years ago, was Democrat. And if you look at her legislation, this, this is why I bring this up, or this is why I want to share it. If you look at her legislation at that time, it was pro life, it was pro Second Amendment. She would not fit into the Democrat Party today. So it shows you a little bit about the progression and the history of what's going on. And I think that's part of the overarching theme that we're going to talk about more, is that where did we come from and how did we get here and the change that's taken place. Because oftentimes we. We see bits and pieces of what's going on, but it's hard to connect it all into the. The larger framework of what's happening. So the Democrat Party is not what it used to be. It has turned into that Democrat Socialists of America and outright communist and some other candidates and other aspects.
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Well, before we get into the history, I just. A question pops into my head. When do you go back into session?
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February 17th.
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So that's about a month away.
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Yes.
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And you're going to go down and you're going to be in this chamber with socialists, Communists, right? Correct?
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Yes, absolutely.
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How do you. I mean, this is just a very personal question of my real interest. When the cameras aren't on and when nobody's watching, do you interact with these people? Like, if you, like, when we go out, we have a. We have lunch. We. We don't agree about everything, but we have a civil conversation. I mean, what is it like to be in communion with. Because basically you're in communion with these people. What is it? Do they interact with you? Do they talk to you? Are they respectful to you? What, what is it actually functionally like for you when you come back down to the cities and go back into session with these people?
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You know, I might be the exception to the rule. I don't socialize a lot outside of the chambers, outside of the committees and so forth. I spend a lot of time doing my homework. You know, we are down there to look at legislation. We're down there looking at bills. And if I'm not at the Capitol, I'm generally doing research, research somewhere. I'm looking at the effects of bills and just doing what I think we're supposed to be doing. So you need to say interacting Outside of that environment, I really don't, I don't sit down and have cocktails with the other side, sometimes not even my own side, because I'm doing what I think representatives and what legislators are supposed to do. And that's really analyzing these bills, these pieces of legislation, how it's going to affect not just the people in my area, but across the state.
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So that doesn't bother me to hear that. I think that's cool, actually, because I would probably be like you if I ever decided to walk your path and seek and then was elected. I'm not very prone to hanging around with people when the session is over. So I relate to what you're saying. So let's drill it, let's bring it back when you're sitting in committee, when you're in there, because we don't see everything. We just get snippets, we get the highlight reels right. And I don't have time to go down there and hang out for a month. If you were taking a month of time. Are the interactions with these people civil? Is Robert's Rule prevailing? Is there a good dialogue? Do they listen? Are you able to express yourself in a way that you feel heard? Do you listen to them? How does it work in the trenches with these people?
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Well, that's interesting. In committee especially, what you see a lot of times, even on the floor of the House is the, especially the last session, you saw a lot of attacks on the president. The just bringing that into every conversation and that's really political on the other side, that's strategic, I would say. We know that midterm elections are usually a referendum on whoever's in the White House. So therefore what you saw in the House is Democrats would continuously try to try, try to tie Trump to anything bad that was happening in the state of Minnesota. So when you say, do I listen? I intently listen to everything they say. I intently listen to the debates on the floor, when a lot of people, you'll see on their computers, on their phones, things like that. If I'm doing that, I'm looking up information that somebody may have said on the floor and going, I, I kind of question this, I doubt this. So I pretty much analyze everything that I listen to. Committees are a little bit different. The Tax Committee, what we see there is, especially the chair on the other side likes to take those, those attacks generally, I would say on a semi regular basis. And the Tax Committee is a little bit, it's tried it, they try to run it a little bit more bipartisan. But when you see that happening on a regular basis, that's really hard to overcome. There are a few Democrats that I talk to around committee in the Capitol, things like that, but it's, it's pretty limited. There are things that I do agree on. There was the child tax credit, I thought was a good bill that one of the Democrat reps put forward last session. That was a good piece of legislation. And I have no, no problem working with people when they're doing things that are going to help Minnesota. But overall the interaction is, is pretty limited. And to go back, I'll give you a little snippet of my first term. We go through this training and we were seated at this table. It's, it's a two day kind of training thing. Democrats, Republicans, all the new reps in the same room and they see each at these tables, one Democrat, one Republican, one Democrat, you know, around the table. And at that time I said I would treat everybody the same whether we were in the majority or minority. And I mean that. I will be respectful to, to anybody. But when we got to the Capitol, the same people that we broke bread with two, two weeks before, all of a sudden we wouldn't even look at you in the elevator, wouldn't even say hi, wouldn't even acknowledge you. And that's kind of the environment around the Capitol. A lot of times it changes things, it changes the dynamics, it changes people. Not always for. Not always in a good way.
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Well, no, that's pretty, that's a pretty clear picture you're painting. Once everybody gets their uniforms on, there's no interaction. There's no friendly is what you're saying. Did I hear you correctly?
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Well, that was for me. But that doesn't happen with everybody. You see, you see some other members who very quickly reach across the aisle about whatever legislation they're working on, whatever topics they are. And I couldn't give you all the details on those, but I think my viewpoints are probably a little bit stronger than most, a little bit more outspoken than most, and therefore probably view it as more of a agitation or irritation towards the other side.
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Do you have a similar kind of standoffishness or are those same tensions evident in the Republican caucus?
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Oh, I believe that there's, there's a, there's an amount on the Republican side that would prefer if I wasn't there.
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Well, okay, so we got a jump ball. We've got our own internal divisions on the Republican side. You're not, you're, you're a man stand. It sounds like you're a man almost standing alone, you know, in a. In. In some degree, I think there's a.
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Pretty good core group of conservatives that want to see change. And really, when it comes right down to it, you know, the. The inner party dynamics, it's not any different in politics than it would be in some other organization. A lot of times you'll see individuals that. There's a power dynamic, and if somebody is a threat to their power, what do they do? They tend to attack it. I. I don't really take that mentality because you see it for what it is. Sometimes it's. Can be referred to as little man syndrome. Sometimes it's just envy. My wife has commented on that for years. She said, you can walk into a room, Mike, and people just turn. And I believe that's. That's that personal power. And there's people that notice that and are automatically. They're threatened by it. So I guess I've kind of dealt with it my whole life. Maybe it's my size, which I don't really view as an issue, but obviously everybody's a little bit different.
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So let me just say relative to power. To power. And I said, you sound like a man standing alone. And I'm going to retract that because I know there is a growing core group of interconnected legislators that have, and I don't call them far right views. I don't have my T shirt with me. I screwed up thing. We got a new T shirt that we're selling here at Free People Radio, Upward Slash store. And you know where it came from? It's when we were up at that meeting. Remember we were up at that meeting and Royce White was speaking, and he goes, I'm not far right. I'm just right. Remember that? And the crowd went wild. Well, we made a T shirt out of that because I'm not. I am not myself personally far right. What I'm seeking is the truth. And wherever the truth takes me, that's right for me. As you were just saying, relative to the child tax credit, if legislation comes forward. That is correct. From your perspective, you're willing to support it. But I want to go back to this idea of power because this is very important. You're not my representative, but you're some Minnesota citizens. You're their representative. In fact, your title is representative, correct?
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Yes.
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So really, you are the. You're the projection of the will of the citizens who came out to vote for you in your district.
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Correct.
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Okay, so February 3rd. This is so critical. February 3rd, and this goes on if you're watching me in Somaliland or Australia, because we got people all over the world watching the broadcast, right? Every political entity everywhere in the world holds the possibility of citizen engagement and citizen participate. Participation now. And if you're in a dictatorship like in Iran, they're in the streets by the millions and people are being killed by the thousands. That's tyrannical and that's awful. But that's politics by other means. And in our country, and we're going to talk about this in a minute, we're teetering on the brink of that kind of politics. In fact, we've. Tanner and I talked about this on the last podcast. Tanner said when the citizens start shooting back, it's civil war. No, I think when citizens enter churches and start calling people, Nazis were there. But let's leave that for downstream. Caucus is February 3rd here in Minnesota. And whatever state you're in, you've got a political process going on and you're watching what's happening. Now, remember, you can't throw your hands up and say, geez, I didn't know. Because if you're watching Free People Radio, in fact, you do know. And I really appreciate your viewership and your listenership. And thank you for going to target.com and buying your next set of tires. And thanks for going to the store and buying a bunch of gear and coffee. Coffee mugs and supporting the broadcast. And thank you because that means something. Now let me just break it down. If you're a viewer and a listener and you don't want to participate and you support financially, hey, that's important. We need financial support. The candidates need donations. The media needs support. This is part of the deal. You're just sitting there and consuming. Thank you. I hope I can motivate you into action. But the real action we got to motivate towards now is caucus. Caucus, Right. Caucus is your neighborhood meeting. Mine will be at the Minnetonka high school on February 3, 7pm throughout the state. All caucus starts at the same time. 7pm takes about one hour. Here's the stakes of that game Mike is talking about. There's people in the Republican Party that don't like him. Okay? Come on. We don't have to like each other. We're looking for aligned interests. I don't need Mike Wiener to agree with me on everything. We need aligned interests. We're aligned right now in getting people off the caucus and getting them into the party. Am I correct, sir? That would. That serves your goal.
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Do you need tires go to tireget.com t I r e g e t dot com. The link is down in the description. I don't know about you, but I don't like waiting in a tire shop or talking to a salesman. Tiregut makes it so, so easy. I can order the tires right from my couch. Seriously, it's one website. A few clicks and the tires are delivered right to your installer. You drop off your car and boom, your tires are on. Plus, you get to support Free People Radio. So not only do you get tires, but you also get to support your favorite show. We'll even throw in an extra little deal. Just enter promo code FPR in the checkout for an extra 3% off. Well, absolutely. And I'm a big supporter of the endorsement. So the real election that takes place in an area like mine that's a 75% district is the endorsement process. And who makes the endorsement? The delegates do.
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And how do you become a delegate? You become a delegate by going to caucus. And when you go to caucus, you'll be a delegate. And like me, Alex Plekisch is looking for me. The wall will be there. Because sometimes, you know, you cause so much trouble, they know you're coming. But for 99.999% of the people, if you just show up and raise your hand and say, I would like to be a delegate. Okay, Mike is telling you what a delegate is. You become a precinct delegate almost by default just for showing up, because only 15,000 people are going to show up now. I Wish it was 100,000. And I just. I don't feel that additional engagement down here in CD3. I've heard people tell me up north where you are, there's more engagement. Do you feel that there's a growing citizen engagement up there, sir?
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I think part of it is education. So we'll back up a little bit. And thank you for bringing up the caucuses because I think it is very important. When I got involved with the Republican Party, I had started doing research because I didn't really understand what the caucuses were. And this only goes back, you know, about four, five years ago. I have no idea what the caucus does.
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Yes, you've had a fast rise. You keep going like this, I'm going to say, God's got his hand on you. But go ahead, sir. Go ahead.
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So what I realized is that the real election that takes place is that endorsement because they choose who's on the ballot. And in most of greater Minnesota, if your name is on the ballot as the endorsed Candidate you're going to win. The endorsement is amazing. It is success. If you're the endorsed candidate in a red district like this, your chance of Success is like 95, 96. There's a few primaries that take place that, that can skew that number and if enough money is spent or you know, out other issues, but the endorsement is huge. So once I learned that, I said I want to become a delegate. That's, that was a big part of why I started showing up. I want to have the voice as to who's on the ballot rather than just checking a box of somebody that's already on the ballot. I wanted to know who those people are. And I'm going to kind of do a shameless plug here because I'm not sure if, you know, maybe you've heard.
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But.
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I've been running in the, or I've been in the House and when I ran the first time I said that we don't have term limits. We don't have term limits in our state. But if you look at what George Washington did, he did a, he set an amazing example. He said two terms and he was done. And he didn't need a rule to do that. This was self imposed term limits. And I agree with that. I think you got to have deadlines. I think you have to have an end. And our founding fathers also knew that we become kind of lackadaisical, we become a little lazy if we, if we stay in a position for too long. So I made the comment and I made the statement that I would only run for two terms in the House. Well, I'm in my second term in the House, so what do I do? I did not want to be the typical politician who's just going to go back on his word. And I looked at the options and I said I'm running for Senate in my district. So my current senator, I'm sure is not happy with that. But what I need and what the caucuses offer is if you support Mike Weiner to run in Senate, become a delegate, show up February 3rd, become a delegate and you can have the opportunity to endorse me as your candidate for Senate in SD5.
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So you're all, you're all, you're all in on this concept now. So you have stayed true to your term limit, self imposed standard and now you're, you're going to run for Senate and in a 75% red district. Oh, that would probably be an in House contest, wouldn't it?
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I have, we have a sitting senator right now. So will it cause a little bit of conflict? I hope it doesn't. It shouldn't. We are not entitled to these positions. We have to get reelected every, you know, the Senate is every four years. And when we become, when we feel like we can't be challenged, there's a problem with that. And you see this system that kind of builds up, that protects the incumbents, and that's a dangerous thing as well, because it takes the voice of the people out of the system. So I, I wanted to throw that out there. If you want to have a voice in it, you're. You're exactly right. You're spot on when it be. When you talk about the caucuses, that's where the real election takes place in an area like mine is.
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Okay, so I'm going to do something to you, but I just need to know what is the name of the sitting senator in five right now?
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Paul Etke.
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Great. So let me tell you how this works. Minnesota, when you don't participate, or Kentucky or Washington or New York or wherever you are, when you don't participate and you look and you get up and billions of dollars, trillions of dollars is getting stolen and there's all this chaos. And you ask yourself, oh, why? And you start complaining. You know, that's not how our country's set up. The reason it's screwed up is because we're not doing the work. And I'm not talking about Representative Weiner because he's only been doing this for four or five years is what I just heard. You got up one day and said, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to complain. I'm taking action. And that's what you did. You're just a guy. You're a. You're a business owner, a family man, father, husband. And you said, I'm not complaining. I'm going to go into the action phase. Well, that's for everybody. And you look out and, you know, you want to call my guys, there's wars and there's all these things going on in the world. No, no, no. The action is for Minnesotans. It's at caucus. You show up, you get elected as a. What's called a precinct delegate. About within one month, there'll be something called a Senate district convention. You go there and you raise your hand again and you'll actually get to speak for a minute and you say, I'd like to be a state delegate. And once you've done that, once you become a state and congressional district delegate, you actually vet who the party endorses. So you can, if you're saying there's a uni party or, you know, nothing ever changes or these people are all in on it, they're all in on the scam. All these things people say, I don't want to hear it anymore. Because they're entering places of worship and calling people who came to commune with the most high God Nazis. How far do you need them to go with this? Until you're going to stand up? Or are you going to stay there at home sitting on your hands a coward until they round your ass up because they don't care that you don't participate or you do participate. Who do you think dies when the communists take over? Just the leadership. No, they kill the priests and the pastors and the union leaders and the union members and anybody that is not completely compliant and cowed into submission. So, you know, if you've stood up in your life in any way, perhaps even subscribing to this channel would be enough to get you arrested. Do you realize what, what we're facing, that is where it goes to. Unless we stop it right now. So. Well, how do I stop it? You go to caucus. Your candidates will come in to your political area. Some of them will show up at caucus and talk to you. You walk up to me, ask them questions. You become your own political center of gravity with your own self developed power, the expression of your human will. So you get elected precinct caucus, become a delegate. You go to your senate district convention, you become a senate district delegate. And guess what? When Mr. Utki and Mr. Weiner show up at the state at the senate district convention, you get to pick one. You get to pick the guy that you think is going to best reflect your values, where you want your children's lives to be in 10 years. And if you don't do it, we got to quit complaining and just admit it. If. I'm sorry. You know what? There's no way to talk to my audience. But I'm frustrated. Yeah, I'm really. Mike, I'm, I'm not running for office this time. And you can tell I'm frustrated about this. And you've, you've supported it. You've been coming to the Minnesota speak spaces, you're coming on the podcast here. You're going everywhere, you're doing everything. And I notice a theme. You're asking people to get involved in the Republican Party of Minnesota.
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That's absolutely essential. The party is what we make of it. The party is if we don't like it. We change it. You have to get involved to change it. And something that my dad had said years ago, this was an issue that we had. I'll give you the story. I sold five acres of my property to my brother. He wanted to build a house. So I have 40 acres here. And the county said, you have to. In order to split this off, we have to have five rows of trees planted here. And we have to do this, and we have to do this. And I said, well, this is kind of stupid because you're actually telling me you got to take farmland out of production. You're telling me I have to plant all these trees, which aren't going to take in our gravel anyways. It's barely good enough for pasture land. But they had all these rules. And dad said, well, you can't complain too much if you don't get involved. So he said, do you ever show up at the meetings? Do you ever go to the Planning and Zoning Board and discuss things with them? And I said, no. Well, less than a month later is on the Planning and Zoning board. So you can't complain if you don't get involved. We talk about the party, and people say, we have a unit party. You're exactly right. Then get involved and let's change it. Let's stand up for our principles. We have, you know, a platform, a party platform. How many Republicans can even tell you what it says? How many Republicans can even tell you that we have a party?
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How many people in the party who are actually officers or elected in the Republican Party, pay attention to that platform.
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One of the things in there that I'll call out is omnibus bills. We're opposed to omnibus bills in our party platform. And yet what happens year after year after year in our legislators, with our legislators, they vote for omnibus bills. It's unconstitutional in our state, it's against our party platform, and yet it keeps happening. If you don't like that, if you don't like the expansion of government, if you're just happy with the status quo, then keep voting the way you are. If not, get involved.
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But this is very important, what you just said. People believe. I believe, you know, there's still a lot of people that believe that there are two political parties. And to the extent that citizens do not engage and vet the candidates at the endorsement level, you go to your precinct caucus, you become a delegate. A month later, you become a state delegate at your Senate district convention. You've got a whopping four hours now of your life into politics. Four hours. You Got. That's it. Now you're going to have a congressional district convention. Now you got seven hours into your political life to. Now you're. Because now you're going to vote on who becomes the congressional district candidate, and then you're going to get to go to the state convention. Now you got another five hours. So it's one hour of precinct, probably three hours of Senate district convention. Now you're four, another four for Congress. Now you're eight. You're going to put in probably 15.
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Hours.
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Of your year. Fifteen hours to change the arc of history. And if you don't have 15 hours to devote to this process. Hey, did you enjoy football on Sunday? I watched the Bears play the Rams. It was pretty damn good, man. Did you watch the. You didn't watch that? No, I didn't watch it. Did you watch the Bears Rams game, Mike? Man, it was fantastic. So, you know, just give over to, you know, it's porn and drugs and football until I die, okay? And let's just quit kidding around about. Because we've reached that point. I've been. I'm reaching that point where I'm just so frustrated and I'm going to change. My own personal podcast and mission is going to all be about self empowerment now, because for some reason, Mike, you believed, for some reason that you could actually go to that planning commission and get elected and then go down to St. Paul and be. You believe. You believed it. You believed in yourself. You believed in the process. But more than anything else, you did it. You're. You're personally empowered. How did you do that?
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I would have to say that one of the biggest motivations for me is my kids. What am I going to leave them? Excuse me if I don't. If I don't fight for the America that I love, the Minnesota that I grew up in, what am I going to leave them? When we started our business, the whole premise was basically to create jobs so that sometime in the future, our kids. Because when we started this, my. My girls, my oldest girls were. Were, you know, toddlers and babies. We started the business so that some point in time they would have employment and they would be able to raise a family right around here. So we have to plan ahead with getting involved in politics. I kept thinking to myself, what am I going to leave my kids? And if I'm not satisfied with the system, then I've got to step up and help make a change. I have to make it better. Once again, Dad's words. You can't complain too much. If you don't get involved.
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So you live about two and a half hours from the Twin Cities.
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Yeah, a little over two to an two hours and 15 minutes.
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And you live in a relatively rural environment. And I was telling you before we came on about a inner city pastor and I'm not going to mention his name on here because it's extreme for me what I'm going to say. But if he's listening, he knows who he is and he saw you on one time. And I have to be careful about how I say this because I don't really remember very well exactly his words, but I'm going to tell you the feeling which is going to tie into these people going into this church. He kind of listened to what you were saying about the life you want to protect, about the Minnesota that you love. And his comment to me was white supremacy. I'm just going to translate it down to the co. Mike, seriously. Now, this is an important. We got people, I got a lot of leftists listen to me because I'm looking for everybody. I'm looking for a new politics. And you know, they're looking at you and they're saying, look at this guy, he's got skin headed, got the goatee, he's got the wood background. I bet you that mother has got a gun right on the desk.
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B
Well.
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So, you know, what kind of Minnesota are we talking about when we're asking people to go to caucus? Because we have to give people, I think, you know, when you're in leadership, what is the vision? Because on the one hand we have Minnesota citizens and now we're starting to find out who they were. They got names. Black Lives Matter activists were in that church screaming that people were Nazis. And you know, I mean, it was. And it's all over. You know, I, we played it at the beginning. You'll see. You know, it's. It's striking to see one group of people walk into a church and call another group of people Nazis. I mean, that's intense, right? So what are we trying to get to when we urge people to go to caucus? When you say you went into politics planning ahead, started your business planning ahead, what are we trying to accomplish here in Minnesota as an elected representative of the people? Because you made the statement it's not just how the legislation affects your district, but all the people in the state. What are we, what are we trying to get to?
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I believe that our representative, our republic is the best form of government, without a doubt it has created. We have our challenges, of course, but we have created the best country in the world, bar none. And the proof of that is the fact that millions and millions of people want to come here every year. If your government was so good in Venezuela, then why are you trying to come here? If your life is so good there, then why are you trying to come here? We have the best form of government. If you don't like it, you can change the laws. If you don't like it, you can show up and elect different leaders. It's. It, it's amazing system. But I see it getting bastardized. I see it getting attacked. And therefore you have to stand up and defend it. Like Reagan said, freedom is never more than a generation away from being lost. And what we've seen is this complacency. We become lackadaisical. We have become lulled into a sense that we don't. We're not under threat. But the communist machine, the socialist machine, has never stopped. And we talked about it, I think, a little bit on your podcast one time. But the, in 1963, the goals of the communist and the steps to take over the country or a country, and you can't read those without realizing what we're going through right now. And then you see the tactics. And I say, well, in order for me to defend my country from threats foreign and domestic, I have to get involved. I have to be the voice that says those systems, the socialist program that's going on in our very state here is a bad replacement because that's what they want it to be for our republic. So this is worth fighting for. And I think a lot of times when, when people project some of their own feelings onto others, that's. That's a horrible thing, too, because I think if you really listen to the words that I'm saying, and maybe I've got to do a better job of explaining it sometimes, but I believe in our country and I believe in the people here. And given the opportunity, or sometimes it's the right leadership, they're going to make good decisions. And right now, I see we're making some bad decisions, especially in our state with the chaos that's taking place with our very governor, Michael Frey, our attorney general. They are wrapped up in the socialist communist movement, and look what it's doing to our state. Look what it's doing to Minnesota. Nice. We have to push back on this. So you talked about the church, and I want to go down that road a little bit because there again, communism is atheistic, correct?
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Well, I, you know, my. And I've said This on the podcast for. Is this. 273 Is that what we said? Yeah. 273 A theme of the. I mean we've spent a lot of time working on this idea of what is communism. And it is fenced as an economic program. It's a materialist program. It's solely focused on the material world and it abnegates the spiritual as an illusion. So what we really have at its base is people that believe in a spiritual life versus people that think that's an illusion and a way to control people who would rather control them purely through economic and material means. And that's really where we're at now. And I. And I find the communist thing so cruel in this sense. We've always had the poor. We've always had exploitation of the elites of the everybody else. And we have that today. I'm very proud to know you. I know you have a successful business. And as a business person, I'm always impressed when people put together successful business models. It makes me feel good. And I do want to give a blatant pitch. Don't forget about tire get because I know you got a lot of vehicles up there and you all have vehicles and 25% of you need tires right now this year. And if all 25% of you would call in the tire get and I got that business would really help us keep this company going. So, you know, if it's pickup tires, car tires, we're going to help you out. But. But I'm always impressed when people make something successful. But we've always had the poor. We've always had the poor. I mean, I think Christ said you'll always have the poor.
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It's. It's biblical.
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But. But. But the poor had faith. They had faith. So, you know, I, I'm not. Where I'm heading with this is I'm going through a very difficult time in my life economically because the business I'm in and what I've decided to do, I've laid down a lot of my life energy which was putting into making money and I'm putting it into trying to save my republic. Because that. That's why I'm getting frustrated because I'm thinking, hey, if I'm willing to do this, where the hell are the rest of you? Because I'm just a regular guy. It's not like I was, you know, aspiring to be Professor Patton. I just woke up one day and I said, what can I do? I'm not going to sit and complain. So I'm Going through a very difficult time. But I have faith. So when it's, you know, the walls are closing in and I can't afford things and I'm. And then I go, I'm going to be careful for nothing because I have faith. But this communist crew, man, they want all your money and your faith. They want you completely under their control. And I look at those people in the church, and now I'm understanding useful idiots, because they're the shock troops. They're going to get arrested. I mean, these people are going to get prosecuted. They're going to jail. And they've made a statement and they've disrupted a faith service, which is the next step of this thing. My point is these folks are going to have nothing. And they're okay with it as long as you and I have nothing. They want everybody to have nothing. But if you listen to the World Economic Forum, you'll be happy. What a scam. It's such a scam. And you go back into this church thing, man, when you look at these comment, you know, look, I'm always looking for any reason to get people involved. You're up in a community. There's a lot of people that are Christians up there. Are they all participate? Do they even all vote? Mike, do the Christians vote?
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I think you had asked this question one other time, and we never got to it during the podcast, but I'd done some, some research on that, and almost 70% of Minnesota identifies as Christian, one denomination or another. But then look at our voting. It is amazing how many people, not just in Minnesota, but across our country, how many Christians don't vote. They should, as a voting block, be in control of our country. But so many of them do not get involved. And there's various reasons. Some of it's the messiness, the ugliness of politics. But I think that's kind of an excuse. They say, well, we'll. We'll put it in God's hands. I understand that, too. But God gave us the tools to do things as well. We're not supposed to just sit back and wait for God's blessings. We're supposed to make them happen. We're supposed to, you know, improve our lives and, and put ourselves in a position of God's grace. So the church, the desecration of that church. And I wanted to talk about this, and I'm. I'm glad you brought it up. It was. I'd have to go back and look, but probably when I first came into Minnesota, Tim Walls in a press conference said that ice. And I'm trying to remember exactly how he said this. He said, ICE will be going into churches because that's who they are. He put the fear into people that ICE was going to be going into churches and attacking them. But in reality, what happened here, the protesters went into the church and attacked them. Think about that for a second. Think about that hypocrisy. And then. And then I want to put this on top of that. Just layer it a little bit. Last year, there was a satanic display at the state capitol around Christmas. Okay. I don't know if you remember this.
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Oh, I do, I do. It's a big deal down here.
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So we showed up at the Capitol. There was a prayer vigil there. There was some singing and so forth. It was a great event. I think there was right around 100 people showed up that day. But I had made the comment. I said, we're failing as Christians in the state because, yes, you can put the. The satanic display up at the Capitol, but they had to go get the permit to do that. I said, we're failing because we didn't get the permit to go do this. So another individual said, hey, Mike, what do you think about putting something up as soon as we can? And I said, great. Can you find out how to get the permits, how we do this? So Sarah called me and said, this is what we have to do and we can get it for. I think it was the week before Easter, we could block it off on the Capitol grounds and put up a display. And then she said, if we do another one, we can get it the week after Easter. And I said, great, I'll take care of a display the week before Easter. And I came home and I had some. Some old hand hewn timbers from a building we had taken down, and I shaped them into a cross about 8 foot tall, 6 foot wide, mounted it to a heavy steel base so that it wouldn't tip over. So that would be solid. Right. And then at the base of that, with help from Sarah again, she had somebody make the Ten Commandments.
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This is Sarah, I would assume is Mrs. Weiner.
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No.
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Okay, let's.
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Who's Sarah Burchlinger down in southern Minnesota?
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Okay. She's an activist.
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She is a Republican, and she's running for office now, too, in the House.
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Okay, got it. Just want to know wanted, because I want to know who everybody is. Please continue. I'm so sorry.
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So she worked diligently to make this happen. And there was other individuals, too. We put the display up on The Capitol grounds. And I think it was, I think I had to go down early the next week and it was trans visibility day at the Capitol. That display was destroyed. That cross made of hand hewn timbers. And you can look up the story, you can see the pictures on Alpha News. Go back and look at it was destroyed. They tipped it over, broke the cross itself, stole the ten commandments that were at the bottom. We never found them. But this is what we're dealing with in Minnesota. This attack on Christianity which ties in exactly with that socialist communist movement. They do not want faith, they do not want a religious people. And these attacks in our state have been, they've been vicious. So to think that that would, they would just stop with this going into a church on Sunday. No, this started, this started a long time ago and it's only going to get worse with the rhetoric that's been, that's been then used in these protests, with the messaging to think about that. And Don Lemon just happened to be there, just happened to be at that church. Right? Like that wasn't staged or planned, but going into the church, confronting that pastor, this is horrible. The laws themselves that you mentioned, these people need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But what are we going to see in the state of Minnesota with an attorney general that looks the other way?
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I think there's federal laws that are civil rights laws and I think that's coming. But I do want to say before we get too far from your word, I hadn't in my mind used the word desecrate and it is a desecration. But I'm going to tell you why I didn't go there. In my mind, 70% of the people in the state are Christian. A lot of them have got pride flags on their altars and you know, this ideology and you could see in the protest. And I don't really want to call them protesters because that's given protesters a bad name. I don't really want to do that to them. But you could see them using the Christian ideology about, you know, welcoming the stranger. And you're not really Christians, you know, there. And I think that there's a book that's called a new book by an author named SOD called Toxic Empathy. But the empathy of the church of love your neighbor is you wish to be loved. And it's much deeper than that because there's a business involved with bringing these people up into the state, which you know, as a representative, you know, the Lutheran Social services, unfortunately, Catholic Charities, there's a Jewish organization that does this. I mean, they are. You want to talk about using the identity of people. These. These are not religious organizations. First of all, they're nonprofits, first of all, nonprofits funded by government almost exclusively in the hundreds of millions of dollars. They also can lobby, so they lobby for more immigration, which is their business model. The whole thing is so screwed up. And then that ideology goes down into the churches because they want to have support within their religious sacks. And so this problem. Okay, so now Christians, you're saying 70% of the state is Christian. Okay, great. Does. Do these people read Bibles? You know, you really don't have to go to church to read the Bible. And you don't really have to go to the church to develop your own discernment. And your own walk with Christ is not based on going from 11 to 12 and then quick to Perkins for brunch. And I'm at home. I'm home in time for the second half. That's not the deal. And to that extent, when that protester was saying, hey, you're not Christians, you know, if they were Christians, a bunch of men in that church would have jumped up and ejected those people and. And protected the church from desecration. But we don't have that kind of Christianity anymore. The kind of Christianity that was expressed in Matthew 10:34. I did not come to bring peace, but I came with a sword. See, this. This whole thing now has reached that point again. And I've said for decades, it's very, very friendly to be a believer these days. You don't have to give anything for it. You don't even have to spend the whole day at church. One hour, and you're good to go. Just show up for an hour. That's your faith. So there's truth everywhere. And I'm. I'm on a rant about this because I know the next step, because I had relatives that were religious and died for their faith. I know their names. I know how they died. That's not very long ago. And if you go back, we talked about the history of the Bolsheviks. When they took over Russia, they wiped out a whole generation of priests. And we're not talking about a few people. We're talking about hundreds of thousands. Millions of Christians were killed by the Reds. And we had it in China, the same thing. The. The elimination of people. And we're sitting here and they're in your church because it's one church. Okay, yes, we have many denominations because we, again, are all screwed up. And I'm gonna. Don't get mad at me. Why? Because many churches great at. Somebody's at the top taking the money, okay? That's. We're one church, one faith. This is the new Jerusalem. We live in that country. And we're not going to defend the freedom to have faith, because that's what we're going to have to defend. And if we don't defend it, we're not just going to lose the republic, we're going to lose our lives. Because faith is internal. And, you know, it's like the mafia. If I don't understand it, I'm going to kill it. And that's how these people are. Couldn't we see it? Did you see that on display? Or am I going a little bit too far, in your opinion? Here comes winter. In winter, good tires aren't a luxury. They're a necessity for safety. Tireget.com Getting your winter tires is quick, easy, and priced right. With Tireget.com you order online, install right by your house, and stay safe on the road this winter season.
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When the. I was kind of thinking about what I would do if I were in that situation. Would I remain calm if you had these protesters coming in and yelling at you? That would be extremely difficult to do. I believe that the church is a sacred entity. You don't. And as a Catholic, I mean, you don't even really raise your voice unless you're singing. You pray in. In sort of a humble manner. You bring your little voice down unless you're singing, unless you're doing it as a congregation, it's a little bit different. But there is a matter of reverence inside that. Inside that structure.
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They call it a sanctuary. It's the sanctuary. It's where we don't. Of course, they came in there because they're taking away the spiritual sanctuary, but they want to have a sanctuary city.
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Yeah, yeah, great point.
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They stole that. They stole the idea of where men leave their weapons to pray. They stole, just like they stole the word equity, they stole the word sanctuary to be a place where the rule of law is suspended to protect illegality. But in the church, it's quiet because we're. We go for a purpose, we bow our heads and we don't fight in the church. And they came right in to fight. So, you know, it was really, if you looked at that, I mean, and I'm not picking on anybody, but, you know, man, hey, man, this is the time. This is the time when you got to be a man. I mean, I'm just Sorry. I mean, I'm just. That's just. That's just how I feel about. And I know if they. I know if they pull that in some churches there, people are going to stand up and scream right back at him, if not, push them out of the church.
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B
I think a lot of times when we, when we see these things or trying to break them down and then they use biblical references, they look at Jesus and say, well, Jesus did this. You know, what would Jesus do? We've heard that. That saying for years. And what did he tell Peter? He said, told Peter to. That put away your sword. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Right. At the same time, Jesus was also in the temple and he overthrew the money changers, didn't he? He said, you have desecrated my father's house and you've turned it into a den of thieves. And he had a righteous anger.
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So he moved through the. If anybody's ever fought more than one person at a time, they will understand the reference. He moved through the crowd like a whirlwind. If you've been there, you know what it feels like. So my point, and I'm not trying to make a comparison, I'm just saying if you've been there. So, you know, we have. Because of course, how we see Jesus, the image of Jesus, how we think about Christ, is also constructed. Unless we've done our own work by reading his words, by ourselves and constructing our own thinking. But I'm just going to say this is not the last time this is going to happen. This was just the first time. That's number one. Number two, if it's your church, what are you going to do? Are you going to let these people walk in and desecrate the altar of Christ? You. I mean, you radicalize me. Now, I hadn't thought of it as desecration, but in essence, they desecrated that church.
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Absolutely. And I can't believe that more Minnesotans aren't up in arms about this. But now the media, their complicity. Complicity in this is horrible. How can you take somebody like Don Lemon, make him a hero of this while they did this to a church? I mean, think about that for a second. You can almost. You can almost look at everything the media says nowadays and say that it's not true or it's not even close to truth. We have to disseminate that information and think about it realistically. That church had every right to do what it was doing. You took a. Protesters, a group of people ties with Black Lives Matter and you stormed into a building that you had no business being in. At that point in time, you could have protested peacefully outside. But that isn't what they're trying to do. They're trying to shame, to a certain extent, bully. And at the same time, when they talk about diversity, equity and inclusion, what are they doing? Are you accepting other people's point of views? Are you being inclusive to other people's point of views when you're going to break into a church? Of course not. This is a bully.
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This goes back to what I was trying to say to set this up. What kind of Minnesota do we want? Because they're anticipating. This is, you know, this is what happens when everyday people like a guy like me or a guy like you, we're planning ahead, we see what's going on. But these people are on the payroll. And the people that I say are on the payroll are working at the University of Minnesota thinking about where is this curveball going to spin to? And that's why you hear them screaming about white Christian nationalism, because that's what these people fear. They know that of 70% of the state of Minnesota united to protect faith in Christ. But they've got the Christian community divided just like all the rest of our communities, because we have a very. We got a group of Christians and Jews and Muslims, too, that don't participate. They've given up for a whole range of reasons. We started to talk about. It's messy. Some of the evangelicals think their citizenship is in heaven. You know, some people aren't here for the republic. They're just here for themselves, whatever. Bunch of reasons, but they're not participating. We got a lot of Christians, a lot. I mean, I could start naming denominations if I want to get people putting nasty comments in my YouTube feedback, but we've got entire denominations that are given over to this ideology and actually are profiting from it. And then we got. Even in the Catholic Church, for example, we've got Catholic bishops that come out, and we had a pope that. Now we got another pope. I mean, saying, well, we got to be kind to the other. And I mean, you know, there's a lot of this going on. We're divided right into our leadership in every denomination. I'll just speak. I mean, I should. I'll talk about the, you know, Jewish experience. We got.90% of the Jews are all down with the state of Israel. Zionists. We got 10 or 15% of people going, what does this got to do with Judaism? And, you know, that's dangerous when you do it, because, you know, these people are. Let me tell you, those people come into a synagogue like that, they're going to get shot. I'm just going to tell you, because the Jews have a memory of this, and they can come in screaming, nazi, Nazi, Nazi. All they want. That's just a word. The Jews have a memory. And you go to a Jewish place of worship in the Twin Cities, and there's armed guards there, and I'm going to guarantee you there's a lot of people carrying in those congregations, and they will pull those guns out and they'll use them to defend themselves. But I bet that's not the way it is in the Catholic Churches.
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B
Well, the Catholic Churches right now, unfortunately. Look at the. Look at the problems that our current pope has caused when he talked about immigration, when he has come out and said that what's going on in the United States is. Is not Catholic. That's not right. And this Pope, much like the last one, is virtually a Marxist. As a Catholic, that's a horrible thing for me to even think about. But they have taken that liberation theology. I was trying to think of the term, which was very pervasive, especially in the. With the Jesuits in the 70s, and they have filtered that into Catholic teaching. It's not correct. And it's a terrible thing, as a Catholic, to think that I have to correct my own pope, that I have to look at him and say, you're not teaching Catholic faith. Even our Bible. Look at the Bible and look at how many times the Jews had to defend their borders from invaders. But what you're saying here in the United States is somehow we can't do that. Study your own history. Holy Father, this is absolutely wrong. The invasion that's taken place by the globalists, by the communists, into our country is an effort to take over basically, the last bastion of Christianity in the world. So you're telling us not to defend ourselves, but popes are human, too, and they are just.
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And this is. This is. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mike. I'm. Go ahead.
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The Cristeros in Mexico, if you've ever heard the story or. Or read that there was a movie about it. I can't remember what the movie is called now. I'm drawing a blank. But it was about in the 1920s, if I remember correctly. The leader of Mexico was a communist, and he was attacking and shutting down the churches in Mexico and the peasants. The Cristeros basically said, you're not doing this. And they fought back. Excuse me. So There was a peasant revolt against the communists take over that country. And it went so far as to let, or even writing a letter to the Pope saying, we need you to, to intervene here to stop this. What's going on? Look up that history. It is absolutely amazing. The Pope, if I recall the details correctly, did not get into involved. He did not intervene. And the Cristeros were slaughtered by the communists in Mexico at that time. Viva Cristo Rey was their battle cry. Long live Christ the King. And here we are in Minnesota. When you have communist socialists attacking churches, this time nobody got hurt. How long will it take before people do actually get hurt? That scares me.
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A
Well, I mean, this is where we're head, we're there. I mean, it's coming, it's upon us. So what I find is so interesting was the one very vocal citizen talking about the white. What kind of Christians are you? And they're screaming about white Christo nationalism. Well, it's out there. I mean, I know it's out there, but it's not formed into a energy where people will show up at caucus. I mean, we don't have to have it be violence in the streets. It will be the lack of your participation in the void where your faith could be in that void. Violence will fill that void. That is the stakes of this game. To the extent that we don't stand up and they're going to say, well, you're a white Christo nationalist. No, you're not. You're an American citizen practicing the lifestyle of Republicanism. It doesn't have to come down to a religious war. It will when we lose the Republic. I mean, the founding fathers gave us a process to deal with this kind of conflict in a non violent fashion. And when we don't take advantage of that with our own personal participation, what fills the void is evil. And that we're watching it. And I'm frustrated, Mike. I'm so frustrated. I mean, I'm frustrated with myself because I, you know, I take all personal responsibility myself. Like I want to change the world myself. You go back to this, well, is it faith or is it works? That's a very, not, not an issue for me. I know it's faith and works for me. So I'm frustrated. I'm super frustrated that we're not having a much bigger influx of Minnesota citizens in the process so that their will fills that void so we can avoid this violence. That's, that's my point.
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So which country is it in? Africa right now where the Christians are being persecuted? They're being killed many.
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Syria, Syria is the Middle east, but Nigeria is the big one right now. And actually President Trump ordered for the first time airstrikes into, I mean we sent our military assets there to beat down some of these alleged Christian killing groups that are in Nigeria. But go ahead.
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B
So I was, I was thinking it was Nigeria. I wasn't 100, sure. But thousands of people there have been, have been killed, churches burned down. Just a persecution of Christians now that's a bloody persecution. What you're seeing in our state right now when they break into a church is a bloodless persecution. It's intimidation. It's meant to cause fear. It is another type of persecution that unless we stand up and push back against this, it will end up turning into a bloody persecution. History tells us this. It's happened over and over and over in societies since the beginning of time. You have the right to defend yourself. Our Jewish ancestors defended the Holy Land through what the Moabs, the Hittites name named the battle. They built the walls up around Jerusalem how many times and were destroyed. And yet here we are in Minnesota saying we have to play nice against people who are persecuting us. At some point in time people are going to say that's enough. And I, I, it scares me when that happens because I do believe a civil war in our country is just going to be devastating. And that's exactly what our enemies want. That's what the communists want. That's what the socialists want is this conflict in our country. And it starts here in our state because we have been the hub of socialist Marxists since the 1930s. It's well documented what's happened in our state and the history that goes with this. We're basically seeing the effects of that. You know, almost 100 years later when they left the northern Finland, Sweden, the Marxists did. They came to Minnesota en masse. There was a Communist party at that time in the 1930s, if I recall correctly. There was demonstrations, there was protest.
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A
Then there was a Nazi party in Minnesota also there was, which is a movement of the left. You know, this is another thing. The Nazis are not right wing. It's the National Socialist Party. They're leftists that believe in the organization slightly different than the Communists. Let's get off this Nazi thing has anything to do with the right or the, you know, because if you go back historically, it was the communists, the Nazis. And then on the right was, guess who, the German Catholics who were sold out by their Pope. As a matter of fact, not that we have the time to get into it today. You can come back. We just have a history podcast. But, you know, this goes right into something that you've done that's so brave and noteworthy. You're trying to cut to the chase. You have filed, if I understand correctly, articles of impeachment to move through the political process to culminate in the removal of Governor Waltz as the chief executive of this state. Am I correct about that?
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B
Yes, you are. And people have said, well, how did you. What happened there? What. What took place? What made you want to do. Made you want to do this? And I kind of jokingly say I do the same thing. I'm sure everybody does. On a Sunday afternoon, I was reading the constitution of the state of Minnesota and came across the section of articles of impeachment and thought, why aren't we doing this? When. True story. I actually was reading this, the constitution.
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A
Of the state, what everybody does on a Sunday afternoon. Mike, go ahead. Now this. This is a suggestion for Tanner on Sunday. I don't know, in the Constitution, start, okay, because you know what I'm doing? I am reading the Constitution. I am reading everything I can insofar as it is within my power. I want to know what's going on. And you did it, Mike. You did. You did it as a man who was elected to the House. You got. You have a platform. You just don't come. You're not going to come on the pod. Somebody should impeach that guy. No, you filed articles for impeachment is what you've done.
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B
So when I read that, and this is kind of interesting, but I was reading that and Sunday, I always set a time. I set more time away for spiritual reading. I think it's absolutely. It's essential, keep holy the Lord's day. Just a basic thing. Spend time on spiritual reading. But then I always reference different things. So that's how I got into the Constitution that day. The next day, I think it was, one of our reps called me and said, mike, what do you think about the articles of impeachment? So Representative Ben Davis had called me, I think it was the next day, and I kind of chuckled. I said, ben, I've been thinking of the same thing. And I said, I kind of got an idea here. So I ran with it and started putting the articles of impeachment together, started going through the process, found out that, you know, there's things in our Constitution where it says corrupt conduct. That's what is one of the. The reasons to impeach the governor or state Elected officials. But we don't define corrupt conduct. So we have to go back to common law to figure out what corrupt conduct is listed as. And when I went through that, I thought, oh, well, this is interesting. When you. We knew there had been hundreds, almost 500 whistleblowers that have come forward, we knew that the information has made it to the governor's desk. We also knew that departments and so forth had basically told whistleblowers that because this could be viewed as racist because of the Somali, some of the Somalian ties, that they didn't want to touch it. So when you put all of that information together, I said, well, this is, this is an impeachable offense.
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A
And Mike, Mike, just let me just break in. Hold that thought. Their cover story was this could be perceived as being racist. That was, that was the way they were able to justify. There could be other things at foot, which is going to be part of the articles of impeachment, which is going to be a debate about these issues is what you're forcing. This is while they're covering it up with all this protesting, you're going to be forcing this back into the public view, are you not, sir?
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B
Well, when we started this process, it was before the Joe Thompson coming out with the $9 billion worth of fraud. I didn't even know it was to that extent at that time, but Walls had said something and I listened to a lot of his news, his press conferences and so forth. I probably spend as much time reading and studying the Democrats as I do our own rules, constitution, laws. And he said that with the fraud that was going on in the state of Minnesota, he said he's taking care of it and the Republicans only have one thing to run on and that's the fraud. And I'm going to take care of it and won't be an issue come next election cycle. And basically just downplaying the whole thing. Well, then more information comes out. I'm working through this process, but that's exactly what was going to happen. They were going to walls, was going to basically cover this up again, probably throw a few people under the bus and it wouldn't have been an elections issue by May of this year when people are starting to get into the election cycle. But I can't let that happen because this is also part of the reason you, when you break down a society, when you break down the. Or the structures of society, the faith in government that makes it easier to. To foment a revolution, those people who are responsible for the fraud are not just, you know, the low hanging fruit, the daycare centers or the housing stability services, it's the entities that allow this to happen. And if they're not held accountable, then why should people even believe in their government anymore? So when I looked at this, I said he absolutely needs to be held accountable in order to restore that faith in government that we should have. This even shouldn't be a partisan issue in reality because everybody should be against the fraud. But we're going to find out pretty quickly what the other side, if they're going to support it or not, I'd imagine. I'm hoping that there's some that actually do that take this serious. But moving forward with this, it'll be an interesting process and I could go into the details on some of it. But I think in the bigger picture here the overarching theme is I'm following our Constitution, following the rule of law. Those things are put into that constitution for a reason. If people don't like it, then they're actually speaking against our Constitution and they're playing the partisan politics that's actually meant to destroy our great state.
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A
Now when you went back and looked at the common law, it was corrupt conduct that you were researching because in.
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B
Our Constitution it refers to corrupt conduct. But we do not define corrupt conduct in our Constitution. So therefore it says that we refer back to common law. And that's where I had to get definition or breakdown examples of corrupt conduct.
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A
What did you find there? What, what did you find there? What, what, what, what was the definition in the common law that is the basis for your articles of impeachment?
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B
Well, there's a list of things that, that are, that are listed there. Covering up wrongdoing, protecting, Protecting yourself from the next election by covering up wrongdoing. Malfeasance, non feasance are a couple of the things that are listed. Not doing your duty, fiduciary, responsibility of the state. So there's a number of things in there. I picked the four that I thought kind of worked the best. But when you're responsible, which the governor actually said in a press conference, he is, he said the buck stops with me. He's admitting that he's responsible, ultimately responsible for that $9 billion worth of fraud. Another thing that's very interesting is sometimes pieces of legislation that get brought forward are very telling. There was a bill that went through the House that the Democrats actually brought to committee that would have given the departments more money to investigate fraud last session. That was in 2025. And the Republicans said no so there's been some discussion as to, if you knew the fraud was this bad, why didn't you do something about it? They admitted to it with this bill and they chose not to. The Republicans said, and I agree with this is giving more money to those departments is like the fox watching the hen house. It's not going to work. You need an outside investigative auditor to look into this.
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A
More money to steal.
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B
More money to steal. Exactly.
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A
That's where I'm at. You know, that's, that's where I'm at with this myself personally. And you know, when people lose faith in government, I'm just going to say, and we're going to keep playing this, Tanner. We're going to play this over and over. That clip of Secretary of Defense don Rumsfeld on September 10, 2001, the day before 911 sauntered up to a press conference and said, we're tangled in our own anchor chain. We can't find $2.3 trillion of payments. 2.3 trillion. And you know, we're looking at data that's coming out from very credible academic sources that just through the Department of defense, there's $20 trillion that's gone AWOL. So we are looking at a business model. And you know, you're as a Republican representative now, Wow. I mean, when you're talking about losing faith in government, which leads to the kind of things we saw in that church, how do you restore that faith in government, which would be the rally point would be the Constitution in rule of law. From my perspective that I, I'd vastly prefer that than 10% of the country losing their life as we did in the Civil War, the last one. But I, I, I, I have a question for you.
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B
We have to get back to our founding principles. This isn't that it's not a new idea, it's not a, a new concept. And Margaret Thatcher, if you've ever read her and what she did, she actually was very influenced by her, I think it was her grandmother who was a Victorian era, I mean, very, very firm. And her mindset really comes from that mentality. You have to go back to what works. You have to go back to those, those solid foundation, but then you also have to agree on it. And I know you talked, I think in the last podcast you said, what's more important is it, is it money or principles? And I hesitated a little bit because you have to be able to agree on the principles. And that's the thought, that's the thought process I had now or then. When we're talking about our state and getting back to it, we have to get back to our founding principles. We have to look at our Constitution. Even sitting in the floor of the house up above us, painted on the wall is a word. It's frugality. It talks about principles in that quote. And one of them is frugality. And yet in our state, they've been allowed to steal $9 billion. But on top of that, if you look at the numbers, our state budget has gone from roughly $35 billion 10 years ago to nearly 70 now 67, 68 billion. Almost doubled in 10 years. Has your income doubled in 10 years? Has your take home pay doubled in 10 years? No, but the size of government has. Why? Why has this even been allowed to take place? We as Republicans have to come back to those founding principles and say we're for smaller government for less taxes. But what does that mean, smaller government? Every time government grows, you take away power from the people. Which is exactly what that socialism and that communism is shooting for. The centralization of power in a smaller group of people in control. I say the people are the best ones to rule their lives. People can make the decisions better than government can as to where their money needs to go. In our country, in our state right now, we're fifth highest, I think overall taxed in the country. Fifth highest. So every dollar you make by some projections between 40, 45% goes to taxes and fees. Think about that.
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A
We went to War in 1776, over 3% on a tea tax or something like that.
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B
I mean half a percent sales tax. We had a Boston Tea Party and you are right now giving up 45% of every dollar you earn. And then you're wondering why I can't pay for my child care, why I can't pay for my kids lunch, why I can't pay to the church to be charitable. The church's donations have tanked. People have less disposable income because they're relying more and more on government dependency.
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A
Which is, which is really the root, the root cultural issue, which come back soon, we'll just talk about. Because you know, really the responsibility is the citizens. But I want to go back just for a second. What was the exact word? Corrupt conduct.
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B
Corrupt conduct.
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A
Okay. And it has a set of definitions in common law, including not doing your duty, correct?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well then correct me if I'm wrong and help me. Because you know, when Brett Busman was called forward and was unseated, was not he also accused by his own party co creators of this same kind of corrupt conduct that he was. I mean, I'm asking because I don't know what was the grounds by which the party unseated him? Was it a similar allegation of corrupt conduct? Tireget.com where convenience meets the road. Why make buying tires complicated? With tireget.com it's simple. Tireget.com one site, a few clicks and the tires of your choice are shipped to an installer right by your house.
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B
Trying to remember what the allegations were, how they were worded. But there again, I question the process.
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A
And.
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B
Interpretation of our, our party constitution. Now that's where I differ a little bit. We want to see CD7 function. We want to see. CD7 is the backbone of the Republican party in the state of Minnesota. It is red. We should be helping candidates across the state. But we have this conflict right now. And the question I have and I still come back to is with Brett's removal, there's a process in place and people have said, how can you remove a duly elected officer in the Republican Party? It's very similar to the articles of impeachment. You have to have the votes to make it happen. But that process has to be followed as well. It has to be done by the Constitution. And if I recall correctly, there has to be five members of the exec committee signing off on that removal. But it wasn't done that way. There was three with two district directors, I think is the term that signed off as well. That's not the way the Constitution and my interpretation is supposed to be. So was he removed based on the Constitution? When I look at it, I question it now. There is so much interpretation in CD7. There's so much both sides of this, and it's tough to figure out is this interpretation of the Constitution, Right? Is that interpretation of the Constitution, Right. But here we're torn in this battle, right? And most of the people are kind.
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A
Of.
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B
Questioning their left questioning. And I guess I'll use this as a prime example. If you ever go to a convention, state convention, CD state central, there's usually a rules battle at the beginning of this. People want to move things, they want to add things, take things out, add this, you know, whatever the case is. And sometimes those rule battles can, can drag on for a couple hours. How many people in the room really know what those rules battles are about? I would say less than 10%. Which leaves the other 90% saying, what are we doing here? And I think the situation in CD7 is very similar. There's rules battles that are taking place. There's constitutional questions that are taking place, but the average person out here in CD7 probably could not figure out or doesn't, hasn't read the rules, the Constitution enough to know which side is right or wrong. That leaves us in a terrible position because we're splitting CD7 into camps. How do we overcome that? How do we take this current situation and bring both sides together? Because ultimately, when this comes right down to it, our opponent here is the Democrats, right? Our opponent to win this next election cycle, which is what CD7 is supposed to help do. We are fighting amongst ourselves in that situation, and we're not fighting the Democrats. How do we overcome this? I don't have a good a. I don't have a good answer. I really don't.
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A
I have a very simple answer. Are you ready? Simple. This battle. And I'm not in CD7, so, you know, I'm an outsider. That's why I'm asking the question. I know what's going on down here in CD3, which I want to remind everybody, we're having a monthly, and you're invited anytime, I'm holding a monthly meeting in CD3 till they kick the dirt over me. Because we don't have a lot of political energy in CD3 in the Republican Party. So I'm trying to do a grassroots revival. So I know what's going on in three. I know all the players, I know all the people. I know what's going on CD7. I don't. And people come and ask me. And I'm thinking that this division goes back to the Otter Tail thing, I think. Is that a true statement, sir?
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B
It takes its roots, a lot of it, into this, the Otter Tail situation. Yes.
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A
So I got a very. Because I know a lot of people are going to watch this up there because it's you, and we're talking about this. It's a palace revolt, so to speak. It's very simple. Let's just fight for what we believe until the day after the convention, and then let's unify around our candidates and defeat the Communists. It's very. I mean, we don't have to make this complicated. And I'm telling this to people all the time now. This is not about us agreeing with each other. It's about seeking and discovering aligned interests. I don't need to agree with you, Representative Weiner. I just need to align my interest with yours when it comes to defeating the Communists, I'm completely aligned. And I listen to you when you talk about, you know, we got to go back to what works and the frugality. I can just hear the people I'm talking to in CD5C. See, they want to go back to slavery. I mean that's where these. We don't have the language yet. We haven't developed the language yet to have a more inclusive political dialogue. But we're working on it. That's what we're doing here at Free People Radio because I know you don't want to go back to slavery. I'm just saying this is what people are hearing. But when you say you don't have. The answer is very simple. I don't care which camp you're in up there. We're going to have on a certain day and I know you're because we've talked about it personally. You want it to be at the endorsing convention. It could be after the primary, we just don't know. But let's say it's after the endorsing convention because your goodwill prevails on that day. We've got a Republican. Could be a fire breathing MAGA Republican. It could be a Uni party Republican. That Uni party Republican is still marginally better than a fire breathing communist. Marginally. I'm going to say my opinion. That's my political opinion. I'm going to unify behind that person. I will unify for aligned interests. Let's start talking about in the party. What are aligned interests that bring us together? I don't need you to agree with me. I don't want to believe everything you believe. I'm a Republican after all. I'm marching to my own drummer. That's why it's so hard. That's why it's like herding cats on the Republican side because we are expected to have our own thinking and our own feeling. But we, we don't talk enough about aligned interests. So after that election we've got to unify because look at, they're coming into our churches and desecrating the altars. So yeah, we're going to have to figure out in our own party how we're going to deal with this. We're going to have an argument about it and let me tell you, that's super healthy because something's going to come out of this argument which is way better than what we have today. And it's not that much to ask Republicans to align with each other to protect the altar of our churches. I don't think that's a big ask. Do you think? Am I asking what, what are our Aligned interests. Can we talk? Is that you. Does that resonate with you at all, Representative Weiner?
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B
Well, I have disagreements with Republicans. It seems like all too often bringing this back to CD7, let me say this. There was a convention up here that took place. 125 delegates showed up. And I asked the question, there's also going to be another convention coming up, I think, in March for CD7. And I asked the question, will people from that first convention be at the second convention? And what I was told was, yes, that they plan on being there. And I think this is great. I talk to people in both camps because ultimately, when it's all said and done, I think you're right. We're going to have these discussions. We're going to have the disagreements. I got involved in the Republican Party not to fight Republicans, but to fight Democrats. I got involved to fight against the socialist Communist in the Democrat Party. I can disagree with Republicans. I can respectfully disagree. But when it's all said and done, we have to win elections in this state. And at some point in time, you have to say what you're saying. What do we have in common here? And our common enemy is the bigger issue. And that's where I think we need to be. We need to bring these camps together. At least after, up until we get to the endorsing convention, we can have this conflict. We get to the endorsing convention, we endorse our candidates and then we move on. So way I see us go.
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A
Let me just. I'm sorry to interrupt. Let me just make sure I understand. We've got two executive committees right now in CD7 that are vying for control of the district. Do I understand correctly?
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B
That's about the way things are shaping up right now. Correct.
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A
And I was told that there's no legal process, nobody can sue each other until after the convention. There has to be an internal party process to resolve this. It has to be resolved internally. Did I get that correct?
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B
Also, I think if even if this went to a court, which some people have said it needs to be done, or it could be done, I think a judge would probably look at this and say this is an internal issue and we're not going to touch it. So when it comes right down to it, we're going to have to figure out a way to move forward. And like I said, the delegates that were, that I had talked to at the, the convention here, beginning of January, they plan on being at the next convention that takes place. So will there be disagreement? Yes, there will. Can we get past that, I think we can. I think we need to really focus on what brings us together, like you said before, what unifies us rather than divides us. And once we have that, that endorsed candidate, and I've said this since, since I've been in office, we support the endorsed candidate. Whether I like them or not is kind of irrelevant because the bigger picture is here, we need to go against the Democrats in this state that are trying to tear this down, that are trying to destroy our state.
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A
You're an interesting voice in this because you're trying to restore party process you've stood up against in your own Senate district to seek an endorsement, which I would then assume from what you're saying, if you're not endorsed, you're gonna honor the endorsement.
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B
I will.
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A
So you're putting all the chips up on the bar here because you're a very popular guy electorally in your district. But even further than that, do I understand correctly that two, is there going to be dueling banjos at the CD7 congressional convention?
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B
In the conversations that I've had with entities on both sides, I think that we can come together here and peacefully debate what needs to be done at CD7. I think we. That convention.
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A
So what you're saying is there's a deal, it just hasn't been consummated yet. There is an agreement. There's an agreement.
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B
I wouldn't say we're to that point yet. I think at CD7 is where that is going to come up. But at that time, I think both sides have to realize that we can dig in our heels and we can point blame, we can cast aspersions, but we have to come to some agreement at that point in time for the good of the party, for the good of the people, and to take our state back. Because if we go into this next election cycle fractured, that strength, that CD7 should be, like I said, it's the backbone of the Republican Party in the state of Minnesota. What are you without a backbone? What are you without that support? You're basically entirely red.
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A
You're, you're, you're goo on the ground without a backbone. But I'm going to say again, and I'm getting, you know where I'm coming from, this fight in the party is going to continue.
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B
Sure.
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A
But, but why is it so hard for everybody to just say after the convention, we have aligned interests, we'll start fighting again after the general, the day after the general, we have to have what's called a ceasefire? I mean, I am a Proponent. And you know where I'm coming from and my audience knows where I'm coming from. And you talk to me and look what you're doing up there. You know, you're not. I mean, you're, you're bucking the party orthodoxy yourself, but you're also saying it's healthy. This is politics. And I agree with you. And we just have to build in a new idea because I hear the Reagan thing. Well, you don't never criticize a fellow Republican or. That might have worked then. Right now it needs to be from the day after we have a candidate to the day after the general election. We're putting down our intra party conflict to focus on our aligned interest. And then we had people, hey, we got a lot of people in our party that surprised us. Like Michael Broadcorp was on the party payroll and he endorsed Harris Waltz. So when they do that, they kind of tell you who they are. And Republicans are still going on his show. And I'm thinking to myself, wow, not only can you out yourself as a communist, but then people go on. Like, I saw Adam Schwarz, he go on and show. I'm thinking to myself, okay, that's very liberal of you to go on there, because that's what that is. That's very liberal. Okay, now let's just be very honest about who these people are, because they're telling us who they are. And if we would instead put our intraparty fighting down and align behind our candidates and get them elected, then the fight actually has some virtue. These people are not saboteurs. They're actually committed Republicans that have an intraparty argument they're trying to solve while staying focused on protecting our churches and in our state and our freedoms. And I just don't think that that's that much of an ask. I don't have to like somebody to work with them. I, you know, I'm in. You're in business, Mike. Do you like all your customers? Don't tell me. Yes, that's just the regular answer. Okay, yes, I love all my customers. No, you don't. You like some more than others. Okay? We all do. My point is very simple. We must unify. When the time comes to unify and you're a baby in politics or you're a saboteur in the Republican Party. If you can't unify behind our Republican candidates at this time, going into this midterm, if you're going to sit on the sidelines and criticize or jump over to the other side, I'm not Going to forget that behavior. I'm just not. That's me. That's my statement. But I'm just a pundit. You're a representative. So I'm going to give you the last word.
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B
I'll say it this way. We're thrown into the politics in Minnesota, but there's vastly different personal personalities, points of view, things like that. I sit right next to Andrew Myers. He sits one side of me. Jeff Whitty sits to the other. Their districts are entirely different than mine. Could I run in Andrew Myers district and win the way I speak, the way I talk? Probably not.
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A
We don't know the answer to that question. Representative. We don't know. We know an orthodoxy that they tell us down here in CD3. And what do we got in CD3? Nothing. There's nothing left here.
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B
Would Andrew Myers win up in my district?
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A
He could. You know why? He'll say anything he needs to to win. Sorry.
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B
I'll say this. I understand. When you put a. Let me, let me say this. When you put a big group of people together from all over the state, from different backgrounds, from different walks of life, there is going to be conflict. It will happen every single time. That is our human nature. And what do you do to promote the principles, promote the ideas we have to better articulate the message? I believe that a more conservative message can resonate in the metro. We simply haven't done it. We simply haven't messaged well enough. We're often looked at as this divide. But how much time and to the, the reference you made before about a pastor down in the cities looking at me and thinking certain things. Okay. I don't necessarily look at that person or think of that person and put them into, into a group or a camp. I don't do that. I view things a little bit different. I might have a whole lot of things in common with that person. But do we have differences? Sure. Are we going to argue about the differences? I don't have a problem with that either. Overall, though, is that person more in line with my goals, agenda, vision of what Minnesota is supposed to be? Probably. So let's talk about the things. Let's have the discussion. But all too often, and in Republican circles, we pull ourselves into these little camps and we don't have those discussions and that's not healthy for us either. We can have the, the. I, I think back to when I was a youngster and I have seven brothers and we fought like cats and dogs. I mean, physical.
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A
No, you guys fought like dogs. Leave the cats out of it.
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B
We fought at the same time. Did we defend each other if there was an outside entity that threatened one of us? Dang right. You think you're going to get away with pushing my brother around? No, no, no, no, no. That just didn't happen. Why can't we have the same mentality when it comes to politics in the state of Minnesota?
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A
Can I, can I. Let me just say, and I'm still going to give you the last word. My with Andrew Myers is in my district, so I follow everything he does. I think a conservative message is what's missing in CD3 since Eric Paulson trashed Trump in 2015 and 2016. So we let this district go by not supporting, for example, the chair of SD45, Kathy Folk, who lost her Senate race. She refused to endorse Trump in the last cycle. So, you know, when you do this, when you do it in an election cycle, between here and there, between the convention to the general, when we're divided in there, well, we're going to lose. And we did hear in 45 because of that. So I don't think it's a big ask. And when you say, do we talk to each other? It's not me. I'll talk to anybody. I mean, I try to have good relations with Stan Hamilton down here in CD3 and something happened. He called me up, called up, called me up and started swearing at me. He's still my friend. I'm not angry at him for losing his temper. I got a stronger spine than that. But, you know, come on, if we're going to talk, we have to look at where the wall is for talking. And it's not here at Free People Radio. I'll talk to anybody. I'll go anywhere, anytime to talk to anybody, and I'll listen to them because I am seeking the kind of evolution in the party that gives us a winning message. I'm not looking at power, I'm looking at the people. What do we need to do as a party to bring these non activated, non participating people into the party so that we have a get out the vote mechanism so that we can win elections? And that's, you know, I'm very strategic and very political about what I'm trying to achieve. Anyway, you have the last word. Please go. We got about five minutes left. Please finish this. Land the plane, please, the way you think it needs to get on the ground.
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B
Being in politics has been an extremely educational experience for me. It's amazing that the things that I thought were priorities before I get into this. And I think, boy, I was, I was kind of wrong about some stuff. The division in our party, the different mindsets and so forth. What does it mean? What does it show? To me, if we had a, a center of influence, if you had leadership, if you had some guiding principles. And I think look at what Kennedy did In, in the 1960s, the race to the moon, basically saying that the, the Marxists, the communists were going to beat us. And the whole country rallied behind him, Democrats and Republicans. He was one of the best liked candidates because he gave them something to shoot for, he gave them a goal. And we're lacking that leadership in the party right now. We're lacking that person, that personality that is going to bring both sides together or there's more than both sides. There's more than that. Who is that going to be? What is it going to take? I think leaders are kind of, are molded, they're formed sometimes. They're not necessarily just, you know, cookie cutter people, but we're lacking that. And I think once we had a leader that people could look up to and say, I may not agree with what you have to say, but I, I believe that you're shooting for the best intentions. That to me is one of the things that's the biggest detriment to our party right now. That's the thing that probably leads us to not winning elections. We've got to get a leader in this party that is going to be that figure that people are going to get behind. I think the candidates would rally behind, I think the donors would rally behind, and we simply don't have that person yet. Now, we didn't end up with Donald Trump overnight. It took time to get to that point. I believe he is an effective leader for the most part. Does he have his flaws? Sure he does. But he has gotten more votes than any other candidate, won the popular vote. He's done an amazing job on a lot of different things. In the state of Minnesota, we need a leader that maybe not everybody's going to agree with, but they can get behind. That's where I think our, our biggest hurdle is right now. And I look for that. I wait for that. I hope somebody fills that role sooner rather than later because we can't afford another Democrat trifecta in the state. But as you build people up, as you have more personalities, I suppose that, that are fostering something new rather than the status quo, you're going to see eventually a leader that will be formed, will be shaped for a time such as this.
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A
And that's a great way to bring the podcasts and get the plane on the ground. A statement of faith, which I think I'm going to change. My podcast can be a lot more about personal empowerment because it's the people that have to find and believe and trust this leader. I think that the content of that person's presentation to the constituents has to be authentic and they have to trust him, which means he has to be. Or she, he or she would have to be an honest person. Honesty. I mean, if, if on this hand we got all this corruption, then the antidote to the corruption is, guess what? Republicanism. Because it's an anti corruption political philosophy. So you're going to be down here soon, in February, and I want to invite you back in the studio. You're always welcome here. We always have these great conversations. I mean, I really enjoy talking to you. I find your presence to be assuring and thoughtful and I really appreciate that in a leader. So thank you for coming on today. Thank you for talking a little bit about the CD7 issue which we, I don't understand it very well. And your articles of impeachment, that's going to, that's going to be national news here very shortly.
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B
Well, I was on the BBC yesterday, actually.
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A
Wow. Working for the crown on that one. Wow. There you go. How, how timely and appropriate that is. Tell, tell them, tell them where to send the check when you show up for the BBC. They like to pay anyhow. Let's take their money. You know, somebody said to me one time, you can take their money as long as you don't sell out. See, that's the key. Don't sell out. Let's keep and develop a Republican political philosophy that doesn't change from district to district. I know that's a little different. We don't have time to get into it, but I think we're at a moment in time where people are so polarized that if you're not honest about what you believe, or as Tim Pawlenty and Zach Duckworth agreed, you have to trick the Republican vase base to get elected. The trick, which is on video. I don't think we're going to win with tricking people, not after they've been robbed for billions. It's great to see you, Great Godspeed, good luck, good health. Please. When you come down, come back in. Maybe we can even go sit down some. We actually went out one time. Let's do it again. I'm inviting you out. Thank you so much for coming in today. And we love your studio. And you can always come in by Zoom. Looks great.
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B
Thank you, sir. Thank you, Tanner. Thanks for having me on.
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A
Good to see you, Mike. Thank you very much.
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B
You bet. Have a good night, everybody.
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D
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