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Hello, everybody. You're watching Breaking Point. I'm David Zier. You're watching real America's Voice news. Thank you for joining us. A crazy week on the ground in Minnesota. I have some great footage for you today. And then Jimmy Kimmel put me on there, a little segment. I was interviewing some crazy lady and they thought it was funny. I thought it showed the mental illness going on among the demonstrators out there. And then Jonathan Ross suffered internal bleeding after being hit by that car that Renee Goode was driving. So, as usual, the facts slowly come out and it's not the way it's being portrayed, probably. And I've got great information for you today. So much going on out there. I've got great guests, reporters from the Washington examiner, from ice, for ice, and Department of Justice. But I want to bring on our first guest, a very special woman, a member of the RAV Chat. The RAV audience been interacting us for year with, for years with live from Studio 6B and Breaking Point. And we met her for the first time at Amfest in 2023 in Arizona. I want to welcome Sarah O' Neal or AZ. Sarah, how are you?
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David, thank you so much for having me. I really have kind of grown up in Maricopa with the RAV family, and it has meant the world to me.
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So, okay, it's, I don't want to say it's a Cinderella story, but it really shows that anyone can get involved and put themselves out there. And if you care enough about the issue, it turns into a calling. Right. Like I've been in business in New York getting punished by the commies. So that drove me my whole life. Then I went to the Soviet Union and so other people lived and were treated when it was still communist in the 80s. And, you know, we all have our own experiences. And you've been active with the RAV Chat. You've been stalwart. You brought us the best cookies at M Fest in December of 23. That crew was very appreciative of it. And you couldn't have been nicer, but you took it to another level. Tell us your story, Sarah.
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Yes. You know, I connected with RAV just soon after the 2020 debacle. I was so appreciative that Real America's Voice was airing all the hearings from all the swing states that were going on after the 2020 debacle. And then I found War Room and I just felt like I had some really good foundation of news. And you guys were going to Keep me well, well informed. And that's how I got involved with the chats and the rav. It was station I watched and it still is the only station I watch and it's on my television at least 12 hours a day.
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Yeah, it doesn't get any more grassroots than that. So you decided to run. Tell us what you ran for.
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I did, I did. Well, you know, Unreal. America's Voice. I did see Dan Schultz precinct strategy and I thought, well, what does that mean? Investigated that and then got connected to become a PC through a Turning Point representative that was recruiting for PCs. And then I became active in my local legislative district, legislative district 4 and became a PC precinct captain. Then like minded people within my legislative district, we formed a slate to run for the governing board of our local LD4. And the Legislative District 4 is one of the largest in Maricopa. I think it's the second largest or maybe third, but it's a very large, very large legislative district. So I'm on the board of treasurer for Legislative District 4. And fast forward one more year and there were an opportunity to run at the county level. And so just last weekend there was a group of like minded people. There were 5 of us and 12, 12 candidates total for 5 SE. Our group was handily elected to sit on the governing board of Maricopa county gop.
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So I don't think people understand the size and scope of these suburban areas in Arizona. I mean Maricopa county has like four and a half, five million people. Right? It's huge.
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It's huge. Yes, it is huge.
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So the migration of Americans to what was a red state probably still is in many ways. Maybe it will be again. But it's purplish, right? Tell us the fights you have ahead and you got a lot of hot races come up, especially in the CD1. Tell us about it.
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Yes, we do. Well, CD1, David Schweikart is our current sitting congressman and he chose to put his hat in the ring for governor. And the governor election has a number of very good candidates in it. So our primaries are going to be red hot in Maricopa County CD1, where Schweikart has been currently serving for a number of terms, we have a large field. The favorite seems to be Joseph Chaplik, who's been at the House in the Senate for quite a number of years and is a great member of the Arizona Freedom Caucus. He seems to be the favorite at the moment.
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So you're going to have a primary. You have 11 Republicans contending for that seat right now, Right? It's a long list.
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It's a long list. Yes, it is.
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Okay. Another hot race in the 6th district. I don't know exactly where that covers in Arizona, but I've been following it. Joanne Mendoza, the U.S. marine Democrat, may on seat. Juan Siskamani. There's some races that are in contention over there. Do you think Arizona will finally go red again in November?
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Oh, that's our hope. And we're going to do everything that we can to assist in any way and make that happen. And that's what a member of large does, is we represent the county precinct committeemen and at the county level. And so there's about 4,500 precinct committeemen throughout the county, and there's 5 of members at large. And we take the issues that the precinct committee men are aware of, their issues and concerns, and we take them to the county level so that together, the top down, bottom up, we can cultivate a sense of unified priorities and action plan and get going and get behind our candidates and get them in there.
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What was the spark that made you decide to run for this position? Was it the 2020 elections?
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It was all of it. I'll tell you, you probably know by all of the chat that I participate in, I come from a very patriotic military family. My father, my uncles, my brothers, and even my son have all served. And as a daughter of a Purple Heart Marine and the mother of a Purple Heart army specialist, I'm telling you, the passion I have to restore the foundation of this nation has never been stronger. And that's what drives me. And I had been involved in the Republican Party in California for a number of years before coming here and getting involved.
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All right, so I have a homework assignment for you. We need you to get Billy Howell, Caffrey, Largo, Flashosaurus. We are recruiting them all to run either as committee men or to run for public office. What do you say?
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What I say is whatever your passion, there's some place to channel it and make a difference and get off the sidelines, jump in the arena and let's go. Let's save this nation. That's what I say.
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Yeah. Now tell us these members at large in your district that got elected, kind of like in a sweep, right? Tell us about what their responsibilities would be and what will you be doing?
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Yes, as I. As I was saying, we would be supporting the PCs with the Maricopa County Republican Party is really charged with is strategy. Strategy, fundraising, supporting our candidates with boots on the ground, with tools and data and we will be empowering and making sure that the precinct committee men have everything they need to support our local candidates that are running.
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Will you be able to go on.
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Sarah, the skill set and the tools and the support and the pipeline for what they need and what is most important.
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Do you think you will be able to fix any of the wrongs from the past as far as observations and making sure there's no funny business going forward?
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Well, you know, my first stint on Real America's Voice was when I was a poll watcher. I was just a poll watcher. I wasn't even involved yet. And those shenanigans in 2022 with the drawer three, I don't know if anybody remembers that for Maricopa. Boy, that opened my eyes just wide open. We're actually just focused on 2026. Go forward. Nothing is going to change between now and the election as fundamentally as far as how we're approaching it. Do we want to change some of the wrongdoings in the past? Absolutely. And it will always be on the list.
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Like proper.
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The first. Yeah. First and foremost is 26.
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Proper signature verification. Don't run out of toner, right?
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Yes.
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How many people got off a line because of that? We'll give you the last word. I have one minute.
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They did well. Thank you. Well, I did have a chance to work at Mechtech, which is the election department downtown in ballot curing and signature verification. So I have hands on observation of what to look for and what could possibly be improved.
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Where can people follow you on socials?
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Yes, I'm at AZ S A R A H/1. It's AZ Sarah,_1 on both getter and Twitter. X.
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All right, well, you're a fan favorite at RAV we love you. It's been a long time coming and I'm so glad you're involved in the public policy process. So thank you. Thank you for engaging and I'm glad that RAV may have something to do with inspiring people to take action. So thank you again.
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Oh, thank you, David. Thank you to everyone at RAV they make my life better.
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All right, super everybody. AZ Sarah, underscore one. Sarah o' Neill gets elected to the Republican apparatus out there in Maricopa county trying to keep it fair, getting the candidates that are the right one ones in office. We'll be right back with more. Don't go anywhere. You're watching Breaking Point. Welcome back. You're watching Breaking Point. Unreal. America's Voice news. Everything's going crazy out There, across the country, these highly organized protests are funded by a lot of different mechanisms. Soros is just one of them. But Indivisible received a lot of money. New York Post reporting they received about $8 million. And Indivisible Twin Cities in Minneapolis also receiving money. Planned protests on the ground. And that's the lion's den, right? That's the lion's den. I spent three days on the ground there last week, maybe four. It was. It was an experience. I mean, I've covered a lot of protests over the years, been out and about antifa ICE protests in New York City, watching New York City police take off their gloves with the protesters. Thank God, because they deserved it, you know, but this is a whole new level. These are Marxist insurgents out there, and they're ready for civil war. But I want to bring on Kalyn Deese, DOJ reporter for the Washington Examiner. Welcome, Caitlin. How you been? Happy New Year.
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Thanks for having me on, David. I appreciate it.
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Yeah, you've been doing great work out there, and you're following DOJ and what's going on. And it's all relevant, right, because there's lawsuits, there's litigation. You're probably gonna have federal judges come in and make decisions that don't go in Trump's favor, and then it'll probably escalate from there. Tell us about what's going on in your world.
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Yeah. So what we're seeing right now on the legal front involving DOJ and litigators who would like to get the DOJ involved in some of these matters is essentially, it started with this lawsuit that was filed in Minnesota kind of before everything really started kicking off. It was, I think, around December 17th. There was a protester who had joined with a couple others to file a suit to essentially block ICE's tactics. And what that means is essentially they're trying to get them to stop having access to things like certain pepper spray things that they can do, you know, whenever they are threatened by protesters on the street, trying to, you know, prevent them from, you know, essentially being able to do anything that ICE is able to engage in, that they're trained to engage in, that lets protesters know whenever they're blurring the lines of protesting to actually impeding obstructing, or possibly even assaulting agents. And that was a hearing that was heard before a federal judge in Minnesota this week, a Biden appointed judge that is weighing this decision of whether to impose a temporary restraining order that these plaintiffs, based off of a First and Fourth Amendment claim, are trying to Essentially get these. This, you know, sort of remove ISIS tool belt. Their ability to protect themselves and protect the public. And it's really almost kind of sinister, I would argue, in the way that they're doing this because, you know, if ICE was somehow restricted from being able to, you know, engage in the types of, you know, maneuvers that they've been trained to do, then that could significantly alter the landscape that they're dealing with right now. It might put them in a position where, you know, a protester is you getting too close to them. And, you know, if they, if they can't, you know, spray them from whatever distance that they're at because a judge has told them they can't do that, then that could harm the officer involved in that, you know, hypothetical scenario. It's just really, quite frankly, very dangerous. And I think that, you know, more people need to be paying attention to this because now the state of Minnesota and Illinois are getting involved in their own separate litigation that is kind of trying to achieve similar means.
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Yeah, tell us about the federal lawsuit that Minnesota took out against the federal government.
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Yeah, so it's kind of similar to the plaintiffs that have been like, I was just talking about that plaintiffs lawsuit involving protesters. But, you know, in this case, it's Minnesota sort of throwing the force of the state ag, Keith Ellison, behind the name and the backing of this. And of course, you know, it's. It's basically just getting more to the, you know, to this, to. To. To the legal version of what Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey was. Was telling people on live television about ice, essentially to get the F out. And, you know, it's. It's the, the legal version of that inflamed rhetoric that's taking place. And essentially, like I said, getting. Trying to mitigate the things that ICE is able to do in order to protect the public. And so where we're at, honestly, is where. Where standing at a bit of a more developed path in the separate case I was just referring to, it seems like that a judge is going to rule possibly by the end of this month, potentially as early as next week, on whether to impose a TRO that would significantly curtail some of these ICE tactics. And, you know, I want to. I want to point out, you know, I don't, I don't have the image I can throw on the screen right away here, but there's a, you know, X user I would highly encourage following her thread that she posted earlier today that was highlighting a sworn statement that the government that was signed by ice, the agency itself, that Was showing essentially some of the examples here of what ICE agents have had to endure. There's actual images inside this, this court document that shows pictures of agents legs with very severe bruises on it, purple, reddish, you know, just ugly, you know, images to look at. And it's describing, I want to point out, you know, agents. It says agents here instructed the individuals standing in the roadway to move so their vehicle could leave. The individuals refused to stand aside. Agents continued to instruct the individual to move at this time. One individual in the roadway, later identified as Elon Wilson Solar used a pressurized metal canister similar to a fire extinguisher to spray agents in two government vehicles with an unknown white paint like substance. Solar then threw the metal canister at the agent, striking her in the knee, and ran south on 28th Avenue. I mean, this is just one example of some of the tactics that are being engaged in by these so called peaceful protesters. And they're almost starting to look more like militia members if you ask me, based off of this evidence. Yeah, highly coordinated.
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I was in Powderhorn park and there are 20, 30,000 people there. You know, you're talking about 2, 3% of the Minneapolis population. Outside agitators were there. There were paid people there, of course, but most of the people were from the area. And you know, there's so many different groups. And I'm going to go into it later in the show, but you know, just like in California alone, there's like 26 groups with this one organization. Multiply that times 50 states. There's thousands and thousands of groups out there. And now they're coordinating this big protest on Monday on MLK Day. They're going to try to make it a racist issue. And then they're going to have, you know, BLM and they're going to have Free Sudan and Free Congo and Free Palestine and Venezuela. And they're merging all these issues because I think the real goal is to take the focus off of Somali fraud. I was with Scott Besson last week on the ground, and that's the real big issue. And this was like a present, this was like a gift wrap thing to them. But the agents get injured and their lives are on the line. So not only did this ICE officer Jonathan Ross get injured by being dragged last year, 33 stitches, but suffered internal bleeding, reports are saying, from this, from the vehicle hitting him with Renee Goode driving. You have any comments on that?
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I mean, I've spoken to so many different people across the spectrum on this matter. I mean, you know, there's you know, certain voices that I've been a bit surprised to hear, you know, saying things that seemed a little bit, you know, contrary to what I think is sort of the majority opinion by legal experts experts, is that, you know, based on a full accounting of all the angles, that this looks like, what is the term, good shoot. But, you know, there's been a couple of, you know, you know, people that I speak to on occasion. I was surprised, honestly, to hear the thoughts about Stuart Kaplan, who spoke on News Nation and basically was questioning whether or not it was actually going to be a good shoot or not. But regardless of the situation, I think that there is a very thorough, very clear, you know, vetting of this examination of this incident that's occurring right now. I, I, as far as I can understand how the law is supposed to work, I can't see any reason necessarily why the state needs to be a party to this investigation whenever you have both the DOJ and DHS running its investigation of this. So I think that, you know, it's, it's, I want to say it's fascinating to me that the state seems to be having its own sort of parallel investigation that in large part seems to be also asking the public to participate in it and send the state any evidence that they have. Because the maneuvers that Keith Ellison is doing right now is showing every sign to me that he is looking to try to see if there is a case that could be made here for perhaps a state indictment against a federal officer. Yeah, just, just, just under, you know, the Supremacy Clause and under so many other statutes that, you know, show that federal authority often trumps, you know, state authority when it comes to these law enforcement operations. I think it would be very foolish for the state AG to try to bring this type of case. I think it would be absolute declaration of war against federal officials that are just trying to do their job and to make it home safely at night.
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Yeah.
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And I think that, that Keith Ellison better watch out right now because I think that he's definitely treading into some dangerous territory when it comes to what state AGs are allowed to do when it comes to, well, these types of cases.
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I really appreciate explaining that to our audience. 30 seconds. Are we going to hear about Louisiana versus Calais or tariffs from the Supreme Court soon?
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Well, I think that, you know, it's an interesting thing because I think that the Supreme Court, everyone's been wanting the tariffs decision to come down really quickly. But I think that in terms of what we saw from the arguments on the, on the, on the tariffs case, it didn't seem like that they were going to find that the tariffs were legal under ipa, which is the statute that Trump invoked to, you know.
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Yeah.
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To make tariffs happen. So the point is, is that if they, for instance, were to wait until the end of the term to announce the tariffs decision, which they could do if they wanted to, then they're still giving Trump that time right now that he could have tariffs in place, but ultimately maybe they'll wind up against it. That would be very fascinating to see if they just kind of give him that extra couple of months to keep the tariffs in place, but ultimately rule against it.
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All right.
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Who knows what might happen?
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Kaylin, I really appreciate your insight. We'll have you back, and thanks for all your hard work.
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Thank you, David.
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All right, everybody, when we come back, I got some footage for you on the ground. Powderhorn Park, Minneapolis, right where George Floyd and Renee Goode died. So stay tuned. Buckle up. I'm David Zier. You're watching. Breaking Point. Covered the downtown Minneapolis protests, which I aired my footage last week along with Brandon Jarvis, our cameraman. We were in the thick of it when we were 10ft from them breaking the window and the door to the hotel canopy, trying to get in to assault the ICE agents. They made their way in the hotel, but they were repelled. Most of the protesters were peaceful, fired up, banging drums, whatever, trombones, tubas, whatever they brought there. Not everybody's paid, but they're organized from the top down. And you got the angry white woman brigade, you know, Renee Goode and the whole thing. And then you've got these women in these, like, safety vests directing traffic in downtown Minneapolis. It's kind of like a show. We were in Powderhorn park on Saturday. 20 to 30,000 people came out. Now, this is two blocks from where George Floyd died. This is five blocks about from where Renee Goode was shot. And, you know, as I showed last week, I did have some civil dialog with the people in the neighborhood. They're not informed, though. They don't love America. A lot of hardworking families in Minneapolis and in that area, too. But the people that were on the street out at night, they don't know what America means. The Somali fraud runs really deep. They're only about 2%, 1.7%, I think, of the mini Minnesota population, they're only about point 7% of the population nationwide. But the fraud, the fraud might be the largest amount of fraud ever committed in the history of the United States. And like I was saying last week, you Know, maybe, and Breitbart reported maybe 700 million in $1 million plus increments made its way out of Minneapolis airport. Now, a lot of employees are Somali over there. So was there an inside ring to funnel money back to Al Shabaab, the terrorist group? That's what Scott Bessant's looking into. Some of the fastest growing cities in that part of Africa and Somalia, where are they getting all the money? So I think this thing is in a blow wide open. So Operation Deflect from Somali fraud is in full effect in Minnesota. But we were on the ground. We were stalked on the ground. A high tech network of whistles. You know, they have these do it yourself whistle kits that they advertise on Facebook protest pages like Minnesota protest, you can go. You know, it tells you all about how to be prepared to warn ICE and know your rights when warning ice. But these things are organized from the top down between the Council for American Islamic Relations, Indivisible, indivisible Twin Cities, the Immigrant Defense Network, the Minneapolis school District, totally in on it. It's disgusting what your taxpayer money is going into Minnesota, second highest income tax in the US that money going to the school districts. And they're teaching your kids to hate America in first grade and telling them they don't need to go to school and that ICE agents are going to come in the school and round them up and tear gas them and tie them up. And it's all bull. It's all bull. So. And they didn't question Obama when he was the president. And they didn't have a press secretary, Josh Earnest, with 90,000 kids separated from their parents, I believe, under them, or when they were in the street with ice. Tom Holman was part of the, I think working in Homeland security back in 2012, 2013, during Obama, they were doing the same thing. Nobody questioned it. CNN went on a ride along with them and it was like, oh, look at a good job they're doing now. They're doing the same thing. Just they scaled the operation, right. So now it's bad because Trump's doing it. But, you know, I was talking to Brian Glenn on the air a few days ago in the early show, our chief White House correspondent. And we were talking about how we both thought the White House should do a better job in messaging, who exactly they're arresting and stuff like that. And, you know, later that day, Carolyn Levitt addressed that in the press. I don't know if they were watching us or what, but I'm glad they are really Doubling down and hammering the point home that these are not good people, they're taken off the street and that these people have criminal warrants and if the police departments held them and the jails held them in these blue cities then they wouldn't need to go into residential neighborhoods to find these people cuz they'd be in the jail and they should have been turned over to ice. But they're not being turned over to ice cuz they want a subdivision and they want civil war. This is what they want on the left and they want the eye to be taken off of the Somali fraud in Minnesota especially, let me tell you. Let me show you some clips here of us leaving Powderhorn park and how serious it got with our crew and our security team. This is David Zia for real America's Voice News. We're at Powderhorn park heading back to our car after this massive protest. Tony, 30,000 people, but they're harassing us and following us now behind us here and they're blowing their whistles because that's what they do. It's like a weird cult, a zombie cult of ICE and Trump haters. David's here for real America's Voice News wearing the car with Kevin Posobic, our camera crew and security. We just got chased out of Powderhorn park by the tolerant left. That's what's going on in this country. They're highly organized and coordinated and they were all over us, blocking our egress from the park, screaming at us, throwing ice chunks at the window. Almost broke our window here and we were boxed in and it's like Escape from New York, right guys? Yeah, These people are ugly. Other than me standing there pulling a weapon out, what do you know? What do you do? These people are ready for revolution, guys. This is a warning to the rest of America. People are ready for revolution in our country here they want civil war, they don't want to engage in civil dialogue. I tried to engage these people in the park for the last two hours and only one or two people really made any sense at all. They're violent, reticent, they're coordinated. And take this. Yeah, that was a tense situation. But we do have some fun on the road. You know, the day before we're in a restaurant. My cameraman, Brandon, I've been working with him for five years on the road. I've been with the network seven years and next week it'll be seven years. Breaking points on in two weeks. And my time on the ground across many dozens of states with Brandon has Been phenomenal. Very talented camera guy. And we were in the mix. And we're in the restaurant. We had our logos on our jackets. Real America's voice. We're in there for five seconds and a lady came over calling us fascists and Nazis. She looked like a ring nose willed beast. And she's an angry mom, an angry white mom, you know, calling us, cursing us out, and came around the table, checked me a little bit, and then walked around me and threw a whole drink in my cameraman's face. Brandon's a good sport about it. So we had a little fun in the car the next day. Check it out here with Brandon Jarvis in Minneapolis, Minnesota. What's up, Brandon? Hey, how's it going?
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Don't mind the security tag. Target forgot to take it off last night.
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It's like comedy hour here. You have any drinks throwing your face today?
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Not today.
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Okay, well, today will be a better day, but I have a little bit of a cough here. We're on our way to cover some protest, but I realized. And I'm drinking this stuff like it's fruit punch and my cough isn't going away. It's DayQuil, kids. So I think I. We're on our way to Target. I'm going to get the right one. Right? And you can get that security tag. Yeah, I'm going to get that jacket. It's Tommy hour getting in the way of the camera. And we'll see you guys on the road. Yeah, a little comic relief there. But it did get serious on the ground, and we're just trying to bring them out to America. You know, Ben Berkwam warned me about Minneapolis, saying they were the worst of the worst of all the places he's been. And I've been in a lot of protests and I got knocked around a little bit. But nobody's been in the thick of it like Ben has. You know, they. They broke his skull open years ago and he had to get stitches similar to what they did to their own Andy. No, they didn't even know who they were hitting. Who was a Democrat, Gay journalist. But, you know, he's on the other side right now because he knows how crazy these people are here. But yeah, Ben Berkwam, a real warrior on the ground. But Minnesota protests, if you go to the page on Facebook, you know, they give you your supplies for your DIY whistle kits, Ziploc baggies, a whistle, whistle codes. You got to know the secession and how you should blow the whistle, you know, like they did for us. And it's like rav. It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. They point that, point you out and everybody starts screaming at you. Don't even know why they're screaming at you. They didn't even know where we were from, you know, and then you know, you know, because we didn't have logos on our jackets. And a few people knew when they radioed ahead that we were real America's voice. But most people didn't. And they just mob rule because they can't argue. Whenever I tried to engage somebody in some dialogue, someone, another like their, their spokesmom would jump in and cut them off because they were unveiling themselves as dumbasses and not really knowing why they're there. And I understand people's concerns. They don't want ICE in their neighborhoods, but they don't know the reasons why they're there. And you know, if they law enforcement in Portland and in Seattle and in Chicago and Minneapolis and New York cooperated with ice, this stuff wouldn't be happening the way it is. And then they have these things, know your rights, community resources. And they got this big protest coming on Monday. They're going to try to merge every other issue in with this issue, you know, blm, you know, and they're saying the ICE agents are racist. The ICE agents, a lot of them are black and Hispanic and women. There's no racism going on. It's such a lie. Another lie. But Renee Goode worked for the Minnesota arm of ICE Watch, a network of area residents documenting and in this case obstructing ICE operations. And take California's rapid response network representing at least 26 anti ICE operations throughout the state. Multiply this times 50 states, this thousands and thousands of groups being funded, maybe up to a quarter billion dollars in funding. And they don't care about the social service impact, the free medical care to the illegals, the impact on a legal and penal system, the extra law enforcement, where your tax dollars are going because they're not working. They're all on the dole. So it's crazy. Thank you for joining us. When we come back, I've got Homeland Security Porter for the Washington Examiner. Don't go anywhere. As countries have walked away in the past few years from the US dollar, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, diversify into gold, into birch gold. 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Hope you learned something from the show today and you're going to learn more because we've got somebody really great, very engaged, just got back from the border. Anna Gioratelli, the homeland Security reporter for the Washington Examiner. Welcome again, Anna. Great to have you back.
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Thanks so much. Yeah. I just got back an hour ago from the border.
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A
Wow. Tell us about it. Where were you?
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I was in El Paso, Texas. And so Governor Greg Abbott is seeking a fourth term in office this November. And the National Border Patrol Council, the union for border patrol, endorsed Abbott for a fourth term. So I was interviewing him one on one and that'll come out next week. But also just getting a lay of the land again in El Paso. And as you know, it's a completely different picture than it was several years ago under the Biden administration.
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Sure. I was in El Paso with Ben in 2019, and it was a crossroads with Sunland Park, New Mexico. And they would send people through the open gate in the wall that was built. They had to leave a gate open because of court order. So they would send people walking from the Rio Grande right through into America. And babies died that weekend, too. We were there and drowning in the river. Nobody cares about the human costs of all this. Right. But at the top of the hill where there were nine spider holes in the top of the mountain and reconnoitering and doing reconnaissance on where our Blackhawks were, they were sending drugs and AK47 at the top of the hill. So it was a game of cat and mouse. Right. So it was bad. But I know it got really bad under Biden. So what's it like now?
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It was silent. I mean, there's just nothing to see. And actually it's called Mount Christo Rey. And that half of that side, on one side has a wall that was put up by. We build the wall, Steve Bannon's project. And now they're actually going to be continuing that. The federal government's going to be building it across the rest of the mountain.
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So they're going to connect it finally.
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D
To fill in the gaps officially. Yes. And so. And the other side where they're going to be building, where it's down in the valley, Sunland Park, New Mexico. It is now considered a military ground. So if you walk in there and you illegally enter the country, Border patrol might arrest you, but if not, the, the military is there and will arrest you and charge you as part of the, the enhanced measures that the Trump administration has taken to figure out how to charge really everybody who comes across the border with, with something at least to face some consequences.
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Yeah, I remember the other side of that mountain where we built the wall was. The wall just ended and they would walk right around it and they would dash towards these little houses that were like 500ft in, 200ft in over the border. And once they got in the house, we couldn't do anything about it. Is it. So you're saying right now that's a military zone?
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It's a military zone. It was dead quiet. I was there two nights ago with my camera person and we were just looking around and the person we were with is from the federal government who wasn't supposed to be giving us a tour, but he was there giving us a tour and he said, we don't get calls here anymore. It's maybe a couple coming through every day. But before it was hundreds and hundreds, the people who lived there were having their homes broken into. And he said all these gates, these big six foot fences you see around these, these little shacks were because people kept breaking in. There's a, there's a little in, in right there and a restaurant, Italian restaurant that, that he said are doing very well and he frequents because this is just a very different situation.
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So I. It was no country for old men when I was down there. It was rough.
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D
It still looks like it.
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I was scared. We were at El Camido at the local joints at two in the morning, three in the morning, and they were a rough crowd. So you're saying, has crime improved in El Paso?
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D
El Paso is one of the safest cities and border cities tend to be because they have such a heavy federal presence. Yeah, but El Paso is, it's still. Yeah, it's still Doing very well. I know real estate has continued to do well there. It's still somewhat affordable market for the country. And even during, during this, you know, it's. People get picked up in Sutherland park by whoever they're being smuggled by and then get deeper into the country. And so what comes over the border is never, whether it be drugs or people, it's never staying in those border towns. So they're, oddly enough, typically safer places than one might expect.
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A
I remember Fox was reporting there were 550,000 felonies from 2011 to 2017 committed in Texas alone. 4,000 murders, like 7,000 kidnappings and rapes. Did the governor talk about any of that? The impacts of having a closed border on Texas and other.
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D
Yeah, he sure did. And that's why the Border Patrol union endorsed him, because they said the Biden administration abandoned us when we had millions of people coming over the border, about two and a half million being arrested every year during the Biden administration. And Greg Abbott, the, the third term governor stepped up and deployed 10,000 National Guard members and state police. He put in a little buoy system. He built the wall.
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A
Right.
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D
He paid for over 120,000 people to get free bus rides to cities nationwide. And part of that was political to, you know, upset Democrats in those sanctuary cities. But the other part was very logistical. You had people like Eagle Pass, Texas, a town of under 30,000 people, had 2,000 people crossing the border every day. And Border Patrol was just saying, we're just letting them out. We don't, we don't have anything. We don't have an NGO to hand them off to. So those buses were really, really critical to alleviate the burden on those communities and not just have people walking in the streets, homeless with no way to get out. So, yeah, the Border Patrol was very grateful. They understand they're in the. Greg Abbott said, we're in the same mission together. All we want is public safety, period.
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Sure. So I was telling you earlier, and I was talking about it earlier in the show, I was talking to Brian Glenn, our chief White House correspondent on show the other day, and how we thought the White House needs to hammer home every day who exactly they're arresting. Seems like they started doing that this week. I don't know if we had anything to do with it, but even if we didn't, it's the right thing to do. It's going to clarify some of these issues. You were saying you have a very liberal friend and you explained to them what ICE is actually doing. Tell us about what you said to her, maybe we can help some of the audience talk some sense into these knuckleheads out there.
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D
Yeah, I've been covering ICE for eight years now, and they're doing the same exact thing they were doing eight years ago, and they were doing in 2003 when the agency was created after 9, 11. They're not going off to random people, period. It's just that simple. It looks random. It looks very random when you see them pull someone out of car, like they pulled them over for a traffic stop. Now they're arresting them. It's not how it goes. ICE is looking for a specific person every single time they hit the street. They know people. In one case, when I was with ICE, they were looking for someone who had four DUI convictions over 60, 16 years. And I said, why didn't you arrest him after the first DUI conviction? They said, because we're going after people we can get to who might be held by a jail. This guy was in California, so that wasn't happening. And just the resources. 6,500 ICE ERO officers. Now, it's. It's higher than that, going after millions of people. And so ICE is looking for a certain person every time they're out. And to the public, it looks random. But I can tell you without a doubt, it is not Border Patrol who is assisting ICE right now. They are using a little more leeway. Right? They cannot make an arrest by profiling someone or say, based on your cultural background, ethnicity, you might be in the country illegally. That's completely illegal. But they can do is go to Home Depot and say, we saw 30 people who look like they were looking for work and asked them for their immigration documents. They can do that. And so that's where you see Border Patrol being a little more, I don't want to say rogue, because they're within the legal grounds, but ICE is certainly every time going after one person, and they typically choose to interdict that person. They know their schedule. They've planned this out for weeks, if not longer. They try to get them between home and work. So they might be in their car, they might be walking somewhere. It looks like a random ambush, but it's not.
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Right? So, okay, I know there's administrative warrants, judicial warrants. There's a difference on how ICE can execute different situations. But the crux of all of this is, and maybe the White House needs to hammer this home every day, every day through Homeland Security and other, that if these jails in these liberal cities would have cooperated, they wouldn't be in your neighborhood looking for these ICE guys, right? Looking for these criminals.
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D
That's exactly it. Yes. And then that's why ICE is going out into random communities, it seems, because, say, someone gets arrested. Let's. Let's use this. This man who was convicted four times of DUI in California. California is a sanctuary state. Wouldn't hold him in jail for ice. ICE finds out the day that someone is arrested, they get a notification. They have a whole headquarters where they track all this. And they'll say, okay, this person is an illegal immigrant. He's been charged and arrested for, say, assault. That's a serious offense. We want to make sure that we take them into custody. They will send a detainer request. So they're asking the local jail to detain that person for 48 hours when they're supposed to get released so that ice can come and take them into their custody, to transfer custody safely in a jail setting. Sanctuary cities will not do that. Part of the reason being they're not sure they're on legal grounds to hold someone 48 hours past their jail time. Right. And so what ends up happening is they release that person. ICE has to get around to finding that person. You know, as the Trump administration has said, there's 500,000 to a million people that we know of with criminal histories in the United States who are also illegally present. So that one person is a very small needle in a haystack. And so it's a very complicated process for ICE to go after everyone.
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A
Wow. Well, I learned something today, so I appreciate that. And tell our viewers we have about 20 seconds where they can follow you and read your great reporting.
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Thanks so much. I'm Annagiratelli on every media outlet and YouTube, and I'm always posting videos where I go. And I know you can appreciate a good Italian last name, right?
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A
Yes, of course. Yeah. Make a mean Bolognese. Anna, thank you so much. I'm very grateful you came on and we'll have you back. I'm sure this isn't going anywhere, this issue for a while.
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D
Thanks so much, David.
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All right, enjoy. Thank you, everybody, for watching Breaking Point this week. I'm David Zier. More stuff to come. Thanks to Real America's Voice for, you know, giving people a front row to history, and that's why we're here. So thank you again. We'll see you next week. This is an I Heart podcast.
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