Breaking Point with David Zere - March 21, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary: “Breaking Point with David Zier”

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Episode: March 21, 2026
Host: David Zier
Notable Guests: Lou Cevlo (President, Suffolk County Police Benevolent Association), Wynton Hall (Author, Code Red), Pete Hegseth (Pentagon spokesperson), Jordan Conradson (Gateway Pundit reporter)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Breaking Point delivers deep-dive discussions into law enforcement challenges in New York, the escalating war with Iran and its implications, the race over artificial intelligence (AI) between the US and China, and exclusive Pentagon insights. The host, David Zier, navigates conversations on public safety, bail reform fallout, federal-local cooperation issues, the dangers and opportunities of AI, US energy strategies, and the latest updates from the Pentagon and White House regarding the ongoing Iran conflict.

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Key Segments & Highlights

1. Law Enforcement, Bail Reform & Public Safety (03:48–12:56)

Lou Cevlo Interview: Suffolk County Policing & Bail Reform

• Incident Detail:
  Suffolk police stopped three El Salvadoran nationals carrying Molotov cocktails—a suspected arson plot targeting a mechanic’s home. Despite "great police work," the men were released due to NY state bail reform laws.

  • “They stop this vehicle…find these three individuals in the car with a tank of gasoline and essentially the weapons of terror, Molotov cocktails.…They decided they were going to go burn down the home of the auto repair mechanic.”
    — Lou Cevlo (04:23)
  • “After this great police work, after my members put themselves in danger…they were let go because of New York State bail reform.”
    — Lou Cevlo (05:22)

• Bail Reform Critique:
  Laws start from “no bail for anything” and only add exceptions post-tragedy.

  • “It should have been the exact opposite where they chose the crimes that you can’t set bail for…instead they said you can’t set bail for anything.”
    — Lou Cevlo (06:43)

• ICE Cooperation Blocked:
  Local officers are hamstrung due to lost federal (ICE) cooperation.

  • “Once you remove [287(g) agreements], you’re essentially throwing roadblocks…into our ability to work with the federal government to get these…criminals out.”
    — Lou Cevlo (08:15)

• MS-13 Gangs & Federal Partnerships:
  Reducing MS-13 violence required joint task forces; ongoing vigilance and federal cooperation are crucial.

  • “It’s like tending to a garden. If you don’t constantly do [it], those weeds are going to pop up.”
    — Lou Cevlo (10:34)

Notable Soundbites

• “My members are second to none…they averted a tragedy.”
  — Lou Cevlo (04:23)
• “We should be working with ICE to get these criminals out of our nation.”
  — Lou Cevlo (08:15)
• “Suffolk County is no stranger to terror…some of the worst terrorist attacks in history have roots within Suffolk County.”
  — Lou Cevlo (12:17)

Where to Follow:
www.suffolkpba.org (12:47)

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2. The AI Power Struggle & Job Disruption (17:51–27:31)

Wynton Hall Interview: Code Red and the GEO-POLITICS of AI

• AI = Political Power:
  AI is not merely technology, but a vector for ideological influence and real power.

  • “AI is not just a tool, it is political power.…The conservative movement and individuals have not really been part of [AI conversations].”
    — Wynton Hall (18:14)

• Labor Displacement:
  Predictions from tech CEOs: 50% of entry-level white-collar jobs threatened by AI within five years; “agentic AI” could automate even complex, cognitive tasks.

  • “Jensen Huang says you won’t lose your job to AI—but you will lose your job to someone who knows how to use AI.”
    — Wynton Hall (19:59)
  • “Mustafa Suleyman at Microsoft…says 12–18 months until you can replace the traits of all white-collar workers.”
    — Wynton Hall (19:59)

• Universal Basic Income as Policy Response:
  Wealth redistribution ideas may gain traction due to AI job fears.

  • “Even if the threat doesn’t materialize, you can build a huge base of support if you scare enough people…for wealth redistribution.”
    — Wynton Hall (19:59)

• National Security and Energy Nexus:
  Data centers for AI will drastically increase US energy demand.

  • “The power needs of AI…are going to be massive. You’re talking 10x the energy of a Google search per AI prompt.”
    — Wynton Hall (25:44)
  • “President Trump’s AI action plan…made energy expansion a core pillar.”
    — Wynton Hall (25:44)

• Techno-Populism and Local Impact:
  J.D. Vance and Trump promote “ratepayer protection” to avoid burdening local communities; data center expansion could boost blue-collar pay.

  • “If you want billionaires to build AI data centers, then they need to pick up the extra cost.”
    — Wynton Hall (22:42)

Notable Soundbites

• “It’s coming very fast.…New jobs, if they're cognitive-based…those too will be able to be automated.”
  — Wynton Hall (22:42)

Book Info & Contacts:
Code Red at AICodereadbook.com; Winton Hall on X/Twitter (27:31)

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3. Pentagon Briefings & Iran Conflict (31:19–39:22)

Pentagon Insights: Pete Hegseth Q&A

• Coalition Strength:
  Israel, Gulf states (UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) aligned with US.
  • “Iran’s reckless attempts to strike civilian infrastructure…has brought countries who might have not been as all in as they are today into our orbit.”
    — Pete Hegseth (32:35)
• Countering Information Blackouts:
  The US employs undisclosed methods to counter Iranian internet blackouts and disseminate key messages.
  • “We’re obviously taking countermeasures…to ensure that messaging is delivered…even though that regime is trying really hard to shut it off.”
    — Pete Hegseth (32:35)
• Disinformation Warning:
  Iran weaponizes “fake AI-generated images”; the Pentagon monitors and counters this.

Discussion with Jordan Conradson: Conservative Media at the Pentagon

• Media Access:
  Gateway Pundit and Real America’s Voice gaining ground in Pentagon press pools, asking questions focused on transparency and US objectives.
  • “We’re actually trying to get this news on behalf of our millions of viewers.…[Our questions] are legitimate concerns.”
    — Jordan Conradson (37:44)
• Pentagon Answer Elusiveness:
  Questions on US-Israel objectives, war funding, and denuclearizing Iran are often sidestepped.
  • “He [Hegseth] kind of shrugged off…just said: ‘Well, it takes money to kill bad guys.’”
    — Jordan Conradson (34:50)
• Outlook on Iranian Opposition:
  Debate continues over the future leadership for Iran, with skepticism over both monarchical and dissident prospects.
  • “Maybe…the real leader is going to be someone the US government selects. I’m not too sure at this point.”
    — Jordan Conradson (39:22)

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4. Inside Analysis: AI Skepticism, Military Energy Strategy, and The Iran War (46:28–End)

Zier’s Reflections and Updates

• AI Skepticism:
  David expresses personal distrust of AI’s pervasiveness and concern over potential abuse of power and centralization.

  • “I don’t like AI. I don’t like talking to a machine.…I’m worried.…When they turn off all our checking accounts, then you gotta really worry.”
    — David Zier (46:28)

• US Military Energy Shift:
  Highlights Trump’s push for rapid deployment of Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) to meet military and civilian grid demands, supporting the AI boom, electrification, and strategic independence.

  • “These things can be placed in the ground…You have enough energy to power like Fort Bragg.…We need it for AI.”
    — David Zier (46:28)

• Iran Conflict Update:
  Operation “Epic Fury” entering its third week. High volume of sorties, introduction of A-10 and Apache platforms, and aggressive targeting of key Iranian infrastructure.
  Oil supply disruptions in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE risk spiking prices to $150–$200/barrel.

  • “This week has just been an extraordinary time in our history. It’s the third week of the operations of Epic Fury. As of yesterday, we had about 8 or 9,000 targets hit.”
    — David Zier (46:28)

• Iranian Opposition and the MEK:
  Outlines complex history of Iranian resistance, MEK's rise and suppression, and open questions about future political leadership.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On AI as Political Power:
  “99% of us use AI and yet only 64% of us don’t realize when we use AI because it’s baked into…daily life.”
  — Wynton Hall (18:14)

• On Law Enforcement Hurdles:
  “Having the weapons of terror in your possession would be enough to put you in jail—but not in New York State.”
  — Lou Cevlo (05:46)

• On Tech Layoffs:
  “Get rid of your college degree, learn AI right now, or you might be out of work.”
  — Paraphrasing Scott Bessant, relayed by David Zier (19:10)

• On Pentagon Media Evolution:
  “We’re not…Trump sycophants.…we want the answers.…We’re asking tough questions.”
  — David Zier (36:37)

• On Rising U.S. Isolation:
  “The US seems to be acting as the world’s policeman, where it all falls on the United States…on our wallets, as American taxpayers.”
  — Jordan Conradson (41:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Lou Cevlo Interview (Policing & Bail Reform): 03:48–12:56
• Wynton Hall Interview (AI, Economy, Code Red): 17:51–27:31
• Pentagon Briefing, Pete Hegseth Q&A: 31:19–34:07
• Jordan Conradson (Media Questions & Iran): 34:21–42:48
• In-depth: Iran Conflict, US Energy, and Political Analysis: 46:28–End

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Where to Learn More or Follow Guests

• Suffolk County PBA & Lou Cevlo: www.suffolkpba.org
• Wynton Hall & Code Red: AICodereadbook.com, Twitter/X: @WyntonHall
• Jordan Conradson: TheGatewayPundit.com, socials @ConradsonJordan

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Tone & Takeaways

This episode maintains a direct, candid tone, stressing concerns over public safety, AI's rapid disruption, and the global security landscape. Zier and his guests frequently reference missed opportunities, legislative oversights, and the urgency of adjusting policy to protect American interests—be that on the street, in the job market, or abroad.

Listeners get a blend of on-the-ground reporting, expert commentary, and exclusive insight into how emergent technologies, law enforcement challenges, and military strategy intersect at this “breaking point” for America.

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Transcript

[David Zier]

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[David Zier]

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[David Zier]

Hello everybody, I'm David Zier. You're watching another fabulous edition of Breaking Point. Unreal. America's Voice News. So much going on out there. I'm in Washington D.C. today. I was at my fifth post Iran conflict Pentagon briefing this morning where I got to ask Pete Hegseth a couple of questions. I'll be Playing that later for you. Extraordinary events. I was at the White House earlier as well, where the Japanese prime minister is visiting. I'm going to get into some of the details of that. You know, Japan may be worried. We're bringing one of a Marine Expeditionary Units out of Okinawa, on the USS Tripoli, around, you know, Singapore and all the way into the Persian Gulf theater of operations. And, you know, they're worried about their security. Right. Also, they get 90% of their oil and gas from Saudi Arabia and Dubai, I believe, or the uae. But I got a terrific show for you today. I got Jordan Conradson, a fellow Pentagon reporter, White House correspondent for the Gateway Pundit. And I've got Wynton hall, great author of Code Red, the Left, the Right, China and the Race to Control AI. It'll be a really great interview. That's coming up as well. And I wanted to start off by bringing in Lou Cevlo. He is the Suffolk County Police Benevolent association president, one of the finest police departments in the United States, the gold standard. Luciavello, how are you, sir? Doing very well, David.

[Lou Cevlo]

Thank you for having me on.

[David Zier]

Yeah, it's great to see you again. I had you on about a year ago. Lots happened in that time, but there's still events going on. I wanted to talk to you about ICE nationals, foreign nationals here, illegals and what's going on. And there was this incredible incident, I'll let you explain to our audience, involving, I think, three El Salvador nationals who were driving around Molotov cocktails in the car. Is that what happened?

[Lou Cevlo]

Yes.

[David Zier]

Yeah.

[Lou Cevlo]

And you know, a lot has changed in that year since we've last chatted. But the one thing that has not changed is bail reform here in New York State and the carnage that it continues to cause. So you're exactly right in that these were three Salvadorian nationals. They were in Brentwood. It was some incredible police work by the Suffolk County Police Department. And I appreciate the, the accolades you gave us. I do believe that we are the greatest police department. My members are second to none out there on this particular night. And they stop this vehicle, suspicious vehicle. They find these three individuals in the car with a tank of gasoline and essentially the weapons of terror, Molotov cocktails. Turns out that these three were unhappy with some automotive work that was done to their vehicle and they did with any rational person would do. They decided they were going to go burn down the home of the, the auto repair mechanic. So pretty astounding.

[David Zier]

But.

[Lou Cevlo]

But the most astounding part, David, is, is is really that after this great police work, after my members put themselves in danger to take these violent criminals off the street, that they were let go. They were let go because of New

[David Zier]

York State spill reform. What? So, okay, they were, was it a routine stop? How did they discover the Molotov cocktails?

[Lou Cevlo]

So it was a stop where this vehicle was essentially suspicious. It was idling. It was sort of in the middle of the roadway, obstructing traffic. You know, spider sense goes off. And this is proactive police work. You know, the, the officers approach the vehicle, they do some rudimentary investigation. The answers aren't adding up. And what they find in the trunk is this gasoline and the, these Molotov cocktails essentially ready to go, you know, ready to cause carnage and to, to terrorize someone. So, you know, again, just great police work. They averted a tragedy. And you would think having the weapons of terror in your possession would be enough to put you in jail, but not in New York State.

[David Zier]

Yeah, I have family in that precinct over there. And, you know, it could be a rough area, but I wanted to ask you, what were the specific charges and why did bail reform come into play?

[Lou Cevlo]

So, you know, the way bail reform was constructed was exactly backwards. What they did is they started from a point where they said, you can't have bail on anything. And then we'll add some charges one by one that we think you should be able to hold people for. So, you know, just, just a little while ago, I think around the last time we chatted, we had a dismembered body dropped in a Babylon park which was discovered by children. That's one of the crimes that they happened to. Ms. When they authored this law. And it goes on and on. And each time something like this happens, they go, oh, well, we'll add that, we'll add dead bodies, you know, that, that have been dismembered. And this time, oh, we forgot to add Molotov cocktails. We'll, we'll add that. So it's just, you know, an ill conceived, reckless lawyer. It should have been the exact opposite where they chose the crimes that you can't expel for instead they said you can't expel for anything. And these, these few that we come up with will keep adding to them. And it's a recipe for disaster. It's not the way you legislate, it's not the way you keep people safe. Where we wait until somebody gets hurt, we wait until you have this egregious event and then we add it afterwards.

[David Zier]

Yeah, we could thank the New York State legislature for that, Governor Andrew Cuomo, you know, for that in, I think, March of 2019. And I remember even as of like four or five years ago, there were like 5,000 people that were either injured or killed by recidivists or people let out without bail. That number's got to be extraordinary right? Now. Let me ask you a question. Were these El Salvadoran nationals, are they here legally or illegally?

[Lou Cevlo]

To my knowledge, I think one of the three was here illegal, illegally. Which brings us to another problem. It's the problem of being to work collaboratively with ice. You know, right now we don't have that. We have the, the governor seeking to remove those 287 agreements. Those are those agreements that let us, you know, establish a collaboration with our federal partners like ice. Once you remove that, you're essentially throwing roadblocks, you're throwing impediments into our ability to work with the federal government to get these ultra violent criminals, criminals with gang ties, international criminals, sometimes like the MS.13 gang, out of the country. So it just complicates our job, it hinders our job. And, you know, quite frankly, we should be working with ICE to get these criminals out of our nation.

[David Zier]

Okay, so we have a Suffolk County Republican accounting executive. We have a Suffolk County Republican legislature, We have a Suffolk County Republican district attorney. And there's no type of home rule issue or anything that can override that issue.

[Lou Cevlo]

You know, we're forced at the local level to work within the state framework. So if a law is passed that these 287 agreements are essentially illegal, you could not pass a local law to overturn that.

[David Zier]

You know, everybody watching out there, you know, this isn't about Republican or Democrat. You know, Nassau County County Executive Bruce Blakeman is also one of the safest counties in the United because of the Republican control over there. Same situation, Legislature, da, County executive, all Republican, and he's running for governor. And Kathy Hochul doesn't care about you. She does not care about you. If you're watching this, and you know, I just can't believe what's going on. And I sure hope that Bruce wins over there. Tell us about some other issues going on. And I wanted to ask you also, you know, since Trump came in there with that special task force in his first term, 200 state troopers and FBI agents and Suffolk county cops and other people, really removing MS.13 from the streets in Brentwood and related areas, has that resurged at all?

[Lou Cevlo]

You know, it's like tending to a garden. It's something that you don't constantly do, those weeds are going to pop up. These are very organized, ultra violent gangs. And quite frankly, it's where we need our federal partners most. You know, there are some places, whereas local law enforcement, we are not equipped to do things alone, international gangs, the ICE problem where we need that federal partnership to get these violent criminals out of the country, even something like terrorism. So, you know, again, you have an instance here where this is essentially an IED that they're holding and we couldn't hold on to them because of the laws here in New York State. You know, we need our federal partners. We have some very large scale events in New York, some very large scale events here on the east end, Suffolk county, where, you know, drone attacks could potentially be a problem. We're not equipped for that. We need our federal partners as why it's so important, the leadership of President Trump, getting those federal dollars, getting that cutting edge equipment from the federal government, it makes all the difference in the world in keeping the public safe here in Suffolk county and beyond.

[David Zier]

Yeah, and people forget some of the 911 hijackers actually took up a residence, I believe, in Suffolk County. Also in the 93 World Trade center attack, you had several guys like Mahmoud Abu Lima and Mohamed Salameh training in Calverton at the gun range, along with Harrisburg, Pennsylvania at the gun range. Because the first World Trade center attack was based on busting, I'll say, out of prison for murdering Mayor Kahane in the Marriott east side Hotel. Most people don't know that history, but Suffolk county is no stranger to terror. Right. And then you had that guy like in Belfort with radioactive material a few years ago. Right, right, right.

[Lou Cevlo]

You're exactly right. You know, oftentimes the suburbs are the launching point for many of these operations. You know, some, some of the worst terrorist attacks in history has some roots within Suffolk county, within the, within the suburbs. So it's something that we need to be prepared for. It's something that we need to work collaboratively both with the state and the federal government to make sure that these things do not happen and we do not have mass loss of life.

[David Zier]

Luciavello I want to thank you for coming on. Five seconds. Where can people follow you in the PBA?

[Lou Cevlo]

Please go to www.suffolkpba.org to learn all about what we're doing here in the Suffolk County Police Department and support our police.

[David Zier]

Thank you so much for joining us, Lou. I look forward to catching up with some updates.

[Lou Cevlo]

My pleasure. Thank you, David.

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[David Zier]

was diagnosed, all I wanted to do was get back to work. I wanted to get back to that trajectory that I was on prior to the cancer. I always felt like I had value. I had a place on the team to just be treated with dignity.

[Lou Cevlo]

It means everything.

[David Zier]

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[Wynton Hall]

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[David Zier]

Welcome back everyone. You're watching Breaking Point. Unreal America's Voice News. An exciting week coming up. This upcoming week will be on the ground in Texas for CPAC. I always love CPAC. It'll be my 17th CPAC event, I believe. And we'll be on the ground with the whole cast and crew of Real America's Voice. They do an amazing job production wise. I want to thank everyone in the back office and all the camera ops and all the producers who keep this going. This is my seventh year of doing Breaking Point on the network and I'm very excited about the year ahead and the midterms. Really urgent. I'm worried about the midterms, I got to tell you. But stay tuned for cpac. Watch all our coverage there, I believe, from Wednesday through Saturday and go and download the Real America's Voice news app. Tell your friends, tell your friends. Because we're telling the truth. And I think it's great that we have this platform to be able to do that. And I want to welcome our next guest to the show though. I wintonhall. He's the author of Code Red, the Left, the Right, China and the Race to Control. AI Wynton. How are you, sir?

[Wynton Hall]

Great to see you, David. How are you?

[David Zier]

I'm great. I'm great. So this is your launch, right? This past week is the launch of your new book, right?

[Wynton Hall]

It is, yeah. We just launched on Tuesday. That's right.

[David Zier]

That's great. What was your purpose of writing this book? Are you sounding the alarm on AI? What's the deal?

[Wynton Hall]

Yeah. So I think that right now we have to realize that AI is not just a tool, it is political power. And I think particularly on the conservative side of the ball, we understand that Big Tech has not necessarily been our ally. 85% of all political donations from big tech companies flow to one side of the ball, and that's Democrats. And so the conservative movement and individuals have not really been part of that conversation and are not in a lot of the rooms where the future is being built. 99% of us use AI and yet only 64% of us don't realize when we use AI because it's baked into the algorithms of daily life. And so if we're already using it, we need to understand both how to seize the upside, but I think also avert a lot of the political landmines that are coming. And there are many. And so what I did was spend two years researching what do the architects of AI really believe ideologically? Where do they put their money in politics and what are their goals?

[David Zier]

Right. And will power concentrate. Right. And will they shut off your checking account? And is Skynet real? I mean, not to joke, but, you know, I think most people perceive AI technology as, you know, you know, something out of the Terminator at some point. So. And I spent time with Scott Bessant on the ground in Minneapolis at the Economic Club, also up at Cambria Courts, Big man, million and a half foot manufacturing of quartz countertops. He was there to talk about some Molly fraud, but he said on Bartiromo the day or two before that, we lost 55,000 jobs through the AI just last year, and it's kind of in its infancy. And he's basically like, you know, get rid of your college degree, learn AI right now, or you might be out of work. What do you think?

[Wynton Hall]

Well, I think there's a couple of things there. Right. So Jensen Huang, the head of the richest company that's ever existed, Nvidia, he likes to say that you won't lose your job to AI, but you will lose your job to someone who knows how to use AI. And that's kind of to your point that you have to be prepared and ready. I think the second thing is, you know, right now we're hearing some very, very apocalyptic predictions from the very people who are building the technology. Dario Amade at Anthropic says that within the next 12 months to five years that we're looking at wiping out 50% of entry level white collar jobs that's known as recent college graduates. So that's very upsetting for a lot of parents and young people. And then Mustafa Suleiman at Microsoft AI CEO says that it's only going to be 12 to 18 months until you can replace the traits of all white collar workers. Now some people say, you know, look this is just hype, this is marketing, this is them trying to raise capital. But what you realize is that the belief that labor is fundamentally replacing by AI is something that is shared widely. And when I was researching Code Red, what you realize is these folks have been looking at universal basic income for a long time. And so even if the threat doesn't materialize, you can build a huge base of support if you scare enough people to build for wealth redistribution. And so there's a lot of different variables here. And what I try to do in the book is really lay out whose agenda is being pushed, who's behind it, what's the money, and how is this all going to play out? Because it's going to be a massive disruption one way or the other.

[David Zier]

Yeah, maybe Andrew Yang was ahead of his time a little bit way back when he was saying that about universal basic income. Coming to a theater near you. I have family who is in software, online portal management where you can like run projects remotely with a whole team, remotely. Silicon Valley based company. And they're very worried about the loss of jobs. And you know, college graduates already have a 6% unemployment rate, recent college grads. It's very tough out there because there are not a lot of new jobs. Now I know things are turning around with Trump and I know we brought $19 trillion back in investment in manufact, brought back 9,000 distribution centers and manufacturing centers back in his first term. Interest rates are coming down slowly and there's more buying opportunity, more money in people's pockets outside of this temporary glitch with the war, which I think will be resolved within a month or two. Let's see. But I'm very worried about the loss of jobs. I wanted to just switch gears now. Tell me about J.D. vance and how he comes down on all this.

[Wynton Hall]

Yeah, J.D. vance is exceptionally aware of how AI and this industry work. Obviously his background from Silicon Valley venture capital and worked with Peter Thiel and others. And so he has a deep understanding and I think he brings a really unique approach, which is what I would call techno populist approach, where he understands huge growth opportunities for wealth, national security implications of AI. But he also understands that working class people don't want to pay extra electricity bills and water bills for some huge AI data center. And so he and President Trump recently had that ratepayer protection pledge that they brokered a great deal with many of the leading AI labs that said, hey, look, you can't just pass the buck on to local working class communities if you want, you know, Billionaires to build AI data centers, then they need to pick up the extra cost, may even actually lower the cost of electric and water bills because they're going to do a lot of modernization of rickety infrastructure. So I think they're doing the best they can. One other positive that they point out is that those data center booms are increasing a lot of blue collar work and increasing pay rates, potentially up to 30%, says the Wall Street Journal. So there are upsides. I think the thing that people worry about is this argument that we are going to see scaled white collar job replacement. And you know, in the past you would wipe out jobs and then new jobs would emerge. But many of the AI leaders say those new jobs, if they're cognitive based, that is to say behind a computer desk, those too will be able to be automated. Once you get something called agentic AI, which is where an AI agent can actually do the work, take over the cursor and mouse, actually open up the tool. And so yeah, no, it's coming very fast. And so I think the most important thing is to really understand the ground game so that whatever you believe, if you think it's hype or if you think it's real, you're ready to go because there's going to be a lot of people trying to gain leverage.

[David Zier]

Yeah, well, I know for the business owner it can scale them up and they can scale their business and you know, it's really important from that aspect. And also you could compare it to, you know, people say, oh, you know, we farmed out our manufacturing jobs, but it allowed small companies to buy goods cheap from China. So there were higher paying jobs in the end for middle management and salespeople and executives and everything. I don't know how much I buy into that. So. But listen, we gotta follow this closely. Really crazy. And you know what the power. So I traveled on a C17 Globemaster, one of our largest cargo jets in the military, and we transferred a nuclear reactor, an SMR from Valor Atomics from March Air Force Base in California to Hill Air Force Base in Utah for testing at San Rafael Laboratory. And in a nutshell, you know, we can't do the AI centers all over the country without these small 5 megawatt, they can be linked together from what power things? Because we don't have the electric grid. Right?

[Wynton Hall]

You're exactly right. So the power needs of AI and this build out are going to be massive. And you know, China is not restricted by the last several years of restrictions like we had under Biden in the rest of it. And so we're already behind. You're talking about needing, you know, enormous increase in energy to be able to power these data centers. I mean, the reason why, just for the average. So if you do a Google search, you're talking about needing 10x the energy to execute an AI prompt, right? Because of the way that the neural networks and huge GPUs, graphics processing units and the data centers will operate. And so they are really going to have a voracious appetite for energy. It's been kind of interesting to watch big tech Silicon Valley folks who used to tell us and warn us that global warming and all these things and now suddenly they're very, very aggressive on wanting to expand energy and be energy dominant for the United states. President Trump's AI action plan in 2025 released just a few months ago, really made one of the core pillars expanding energy. And I think we're going to have to do that. And it looks like people are, I think one of the ways that real quick on that in President Trump said, you know, basically these tech companies are going to have to almost become miniature energy companies. And you're kind of starting to see that start to form.

[David Zier]

Well, call me Archie Bunker, but I'm a phobic and I understand the benefits maybe for health care and treatment and all the other stuff. But I'm worried, I got to say. Tell our viewers where they can buy this book. It's a must read. I ordered it. I'm waiting for it. I want to thank you for coming on and where can people get the book and where can they follow you on socials and other.

[Wynton Hall]

Oh, very kind. Thank you. Yes. Available everywhere. Books are sold certainly at your local bookstore if you want to support the mom and pop Amazon, Barnes and Noble Books a million. And we also have a website, AICodereadbook.com that's AICodereadbook.com and on X or Twitter, I'm Winton Hall.

[David Zier]

All right, everybody, Wynton Hall, I want to thank you so much. Best of luck on your book. I see it gets a rave reviews out there. So the best to you. Thank you again. We'll have you back.

[Wynton Hall]

Thank you so much for having me, David. Thank you.

[David Zier]

Sure, sure, sure. All right, everyone, I will be back. I've got my Pete Hegseth, you know, press briefing where I got to ask some questions from the other day. And I want to thank you for watching Brad on Real America's Voice News. Tell your friends and family, download the Real America's Voice news app and don't miss seat back next week. We'll be right back.

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Welcome back everybody. You're watching Breaking Point. Unreal America's Voice News. I've had the incredible opportunity to spend the last four months with with interacting with the Department of War. Pete Hegseth, the Pentagon, you know, traveling across the country, visiting our submarine bases, you know, where we build our subs in Rhode Island, Bath Ironworks where we make our guided missile destroyers, participating in the only airborne transfer of a nuclear reactor with the Under Secretary of War and the Energy Secretary, Chris Wright, so many incredible things, time at Fort Bragg. But Pete Hegseth I think is doing a stellar job and I was in five press briefings since the Iran conflict started with him. And I just want to throw out to you, show you a couple of questions I got to ask him the other day. Secretary David Zaya, Real America's Voice News. What countries have been the most cooperative with us, including the Gulf states as Europe Hedges and I also wanted to ask you the Internet blackouts by the regime, it's been shut down for weeks. Is the US Military playing a role in, you know, fighting against the regime, blocking VPN networks and satellites and other things? Is there a role for the US Military there?

[Pete Hegseth]

Obviously on the allies and partners side, Israel from day one has been an incredible and capable partner, willing and able. There's nothing like capabilities and partners that are able to use them. The Gulf states have stepped up incredibly. In fact, Iran's sort of reckless attempt to strike civilian infrastructure and other things has brought countries who maybe would have not been as all in as they are today squarely into our orbit. And we're proud to be defending with them, standing with them, you name it, uae, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and others who have been right there. And we're grateful for that kind of support. As far as the Internet, we're watching the regime try to tighten its grip as much as possible. We're obviously taking countermeasures, many of which we can't talk about here to ensure that messaging is delivered not just to the Iranian people writ large, but to the right audiences, certain audiences that need to hear certain things about what their fate might look like or what their choices are. So even though that regime is trying really hard to ensure the world can't see right, they want, they want to put out fake AI generated images which by the way, sometimes our press happens to fall for like the Abraham Lincoln on fire and turning around these AI generated images are meant to make it look like something's happening when the exact opposite is. So they make up fake reports and fake images to lie to their own people to try to make it. But even then, their own people can barely receive a lot of those messages and communicate because of the blackout that they've imposed upon them. But we work around that for sure.

[David Zier]

Yeah, it was great to be able to ask some questions like that. And he calls on real America's voice often as well as the Gateway Pundit. And I have Jordan Conrad's in the White House and Pentagon correspondent for the Gateway Pundit. How are you, Jordan?

[Jordan Conradson]

I'm doing good, David. Thank you for having me.

[David Zier]

Yeah, always great to see you. I think you asked terrific questions the other day in the briefing and just really great. What's your overall assessment of what's going on in the Pentagon, the, the, the tone of the hearings? I think the media has been pretty good. Right. What do you think? Outside of, you know, the crazy MSM stuff, it's been okay.

[Jordan Conradson]

Yeah, you know, I, I really do think it's definitely a positive change to be bringing in great conservative media like yourself. Real, real America's voice, as well as the Gateway Pundit. And you actually see where we're getting called on a lot, which is really nice to be able to get out there, ask the questions. I mean, we're both asking questions that Americans really care about. To be honest, though, I'm not too thrilled with their answers most of the time. It seems like they're kind of shrugging off some of the questions sometimes. Obviously, at that press briefing, I had a question about why are we getting behind Israel if they're not following the same objectives as us? We saw this just two weeks ago when they bombed Iranian oil depots in Iran, countered U.S. objectives. We saw it again when they attacked South Pars island, the natural gas sites that is shared by Iran and Qatar. And, you know, I just didn't really get an answer except for, well, they do have different objectives. It's a confirmation. But we also saw when Reagan, Reese of the Daily Caller, she asked Secretary Heg said, you know, how are we going in and nuclearizing Iran while still avoiding a forever war? And why does the Pentagon need an additional $200 billion in funding for this war? And he kind of shrugged off her first question about how we're going to denuclearize Iran without drawing us into a larger conflict. He just really didn't answer that in regards to the money. He just said, well, it Takes money to kill bad guys. And it's kind of like, okay, well,

[David Zier]

that's just your question, Jordan. You also are getting at that. And you were very respectful. You were trying to say, you know, did the White House know? Or, you know, because people in the room are, you know, guessing that CENTCOM knew about what Israel was gonna do with the gas fields and the attack. You know, but listen, I think Hanseth comes in there with a directive or with a mission to get certain points across and he's not gonna get too granular on stuff. But I see your point. And that's one of the things about the new media in the Pentagon. We're not just, you know, people said, oh, oral Trump sycophants and stuff like that. You know, we're asking tough questions and, you know, we, we want the answers. And like my question about the Internet to the people, you know, what is the military doing to foment and release this block on the Internet that the Iran regime still has two weeks into the conflict, three weeks into the conflict, you know, over the people. Right. And, and is that going to break and are people gonna be able to come out on the street? What do you think about that?

[Jordan Conradson]

Right, exactly. And to your point, we're not fishing like the left wing media for these gotcha questions or anything like that. I mean, some of our questions are a little tougher, but we're actually trying to get this news on behalf of our millions of viewers, between all of us, hundreds of millions of viewers looking at conservative media and they actually have real questions that the left wing media just isn't really in tune with. To your point. Yeah, your question too. That's a legitimate concern. How are the people of Iran getting this message? Obviously, President Trump has called for the people of Iran to rise up and overthrow their government. The question is, are they even getting that message? Do they even know that President Trump has said that he's with them? Do we know that they're hearing that message? And then of course, President Trump points to how they're getting killed in the street. But yeah, that's, that's a.

[David Zier]

Well, listen, it's going to take some time. And, and I think, as you know, like Hagseth shared, the, the bombings on a daily basis are increasing. They're not going down. And we're good. You know, we're committed to taking out the necessary target. So maybe we'll see that message come out on the street. But, you know, I wanted to get your opinion. You know, who's the rightful leader of Iran? You know, it was the mek, which are socialistic, that led the revolution that was hijacked by the mullahs in 79 against the Shah. And do the people want to be reminded of the day there's a shah by bringing Reza Pahlavi in? Or is Marian Mojavi the rightful leader in Iran?

[Jordan Conradson]

I've heard good things and not too good things about Reza Pahlavi. Obviously, he's here in the United States, and he's probably more allied with the American government. I think what's funny is the leader that they chose. So, ironically, there's reports that came out about US Intelligence showing he's actually gay and he's supposed to be the Iranian dictator in this radical Islam society, where being gay is actually punishable by death. So maybe it's this, this gay guy who's Khomeini's son. Maybe the real leader is going to be someone the US Government selects to take over the role. I'm not too sure at this point.

[David Zier]

Yeah, well, Mary Abjabi's had, like, 4,000 European parliamentarians who support her to take power. She promises free elections within six months. She also, you know, promises some type of bill of rights for the people. But, like, how do you get there? Right? Like you said, how many people are getting that message on the street if there's no Internet and there's only a few starlinks? You know, the regime is going after the starlinks. They're going after the vpn, personal networks. And that's why I asked the question, you know, is there, like a threshold where we're turning the corner? It sounds like we are. And again, I don't know if it's enough, if it's, you know, to foment something we haven't seen throngs of people out in the street. We have seen 15, 17 uprisings across the country, but they're not major. So we got to see. Tell, tell us what else is going on. Jordan, we have about a minute and a half. I'll give you the last word.

[Jordan Conradson]

Yeah, you know, not much. I'm. I'm really just trying to follow exactly what's going on here. Obviously, there's the straight up Hormuz issue that's become kind of a focal point of the war. And I'm just really trying to follow all the new developments with these different angles. Trump trying to bring in a coalition of allies to come secure the Strait of Four moves, that's not working. What's kind of interesting for me is that, once again, the United States seems to be acting as the world's policeman. Where it all falls on the United States. The allies aren't helping out. Nobody's helping out to take on Iran. Apparently they all agree with it. They all think that we did such a good job, but where are they? Right? So this kind of all falls on our back as Americans, on our wallets, as American taxpayers to see this war through to the end. And it's a little disappointing.

[David Zier]

Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Tell our viewers where they can follow you. We rely on the gateway pundit, the gatewaypundit.com for a lot of our information or where can they follow you on socials as well?

[Jordan Conradson]

Yeah, as always, you can read my work atthe Gateway Pundit.com My name is Jordan Conradson and I'm also on X Instagram Truth Social getter. All of them, Jordan Conradson or @ConradsonJordan.

[David Zier]

All right, well, you've been asking really tough questions and asking for some transparency, which is commendable. So I want to thank you for coming on and we look forward to talking to you soon. All right, I'll see you on the ground.

[Jordan Conradson]

All right, thanks, David.

[David Zier]

Thank you, Jordan. All right, everyone, I will be right back. I got a little summary of what's going on over in Iran and others. So I want to thank you for watching Breakpoint today. I'm David Zier. Don't go anywhere.

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Hey welcome back everybody. You're watching Breaking Point, Real America's Voice News and download that song God, Grit and Guns. It's terrific. And support Real America's music, the Truth Bombers. They are awesome. So I wanted to discuss with you a couple of things. One, I don't like AI. I don't like talking to a machine on the phone. I spend half my life on the phone with tech support and our accounts and everything. And it's very frustrating because I always know when it's an AI rep. And sometimes it's good, sometimes it's good, I gotta say. But I'm worried. And when they turn off all our checking accounts, then you gotta really worry. But not to be so negative. I had a great week and I've been covering the Pentagon for Real America's Voice. We made some great inroads over there and I think Pete hegseth is completely 100% dedicated to the mission and to the job. Even before the Iran war. Right. Because you know, what he's doing in there and what Trump's executive orders and these executive orders on defense acquisitions and the defense and the Trump executive orders on nuclear power. It's just incredible. You know, speeding up the SMRs, a small modular reactors and creating these reactors that, you know, each one is like 5 megawatts. There's 10 companies competing. Three of them are supposed to be tested at critical mass by the 250America, 250 celebration. It's all because of Donald Trump. And I think they're moving these things up ahead of schedule. You know, we always talked about SMRs and 2030, 2031, but no, it's like 2027, 2028. And these things can be placed in the ground. You know, if you had to start a new base in the middle of Africa, even in the desert, you know, you don't have to be reliant on the grid per se. You know, you could take one of these small modular reactors, five megawatts. You can chain five of them together. You have enough energy to power like Fort Bragg, which is the largest military installation in the United States, I believe. And, you know, the technology is amazing. And we need it for AI. We need it for other things. We can't meet the needs of the electric good. If you want to have electric cars, which will probably make a resurgence in some form, whether it's hybrid or whatever, in the free market, not subsidized, you know, and you're going to have more demands on the grid. We're going to need these things. So I think it's pretty amazing. But I'm still skeptical about the AI thing. I could see them concentrating power. I can see them, you know, people getting caught up, not able to fix their problems. Everything's so complicated today to begin with, anyway. This week has just been an extraordinary time in our history. It's the third week of the operations of Epic Fury. You know, as of yesterday, we had about 8 or 9,000 targets hit. 8 or 9,000 combat sorties and flights. I'm very excited to see the A10s in action. That's my favorite plane. Built on Long island, where I live by Fairchild Republic, this thing has a 30 millimeter cannon. The plane is built around the 21 foot Gau 8 electric Gatling gun. 30 millimeter. Every fifth round is high explosive. Every fourth round is uranium tipped for maximum impact. Just an extraordinary plane. It could fly without a vertical stabilizer, half a wing and no Engine, you know, missing an engine. And now it's going to be used, I think in patrols in the Strait of Hormuz to take out, you know, gunboats and other type of activities going on here now, bringing in the Apaches. And as John Solomon said the other day, it's probably because we've softened up a lot of the targets in planes like this. Close air support, flying subsonic, you know, even under radar, but you know, can operate safely because the air defenses are down across Iran. And we started using these massive 5,000 pound bunker busters, the mass penetrating bombs, you know, to take out the anti ship cruise missile facilities. There's bases up and down the Persian Gulf and into the Strait of Hormuz. You know, Iran has a border that's several hundred miles long. Of course these waterways and these shipping lanes are really narrow. It's really only like 2 mile channel, I believe about 27 miles across at its smallest point, maybe even less. And you know, as Iran has struck key energy facilities in Qatar, Saudi Arabia and attacks on the UAE that were actually, they, they stopped the attacks. Abu Dhabi has stopped production at the gas facility and the bob failed after these Iranian strikes and missiles were shot into their territory. And it's driving up the price of oil and we could expect $150 to $200 a barrel. I don't know if it's going to go there. It very may well and it's going to be catastrophic for the economy in the short term. But I think Trump's doing this now because, you know, he knows that we have the situation under control right now and that if things go as well as they project, we could see within two weeks, maybe three weeks, scaling down the attacks, maybe seeing if something gels on the ground. And who are the leaders over there? You know, as the Iranian regime censors the Internet and blocks the Internet, 90 million people in Iran, they can't communicate outside of some small satellite links and private VPN networks which the Iran regime still in charge in many ways they're targeting people who have these networks. So are the people really getting the message on the ground here? But we had a lot of activity this week. We had this Fyre festival which is like a 4,000 year old celebration. It's the Persian New Year. It's also the end of Ramadan for the Muslims there and it's also lent. It's like a convergence of many different religions around the world here. But the activists on the ground have targeted centers of state repression, corruption and terrorism. According to the People's Mujahideen of Iran, which is also, I believe, the mek, which is also related to the ncri, the National Council for Resistance of Iran. And they really have this network on the ground. And remember when they took over Iran in 1979 to get rid of the Shah who persecuted the MEK, now he had a free society and a lot of great things in a Western style culture, but they also had a secret police and they rounded up a lot of people and the MEK led the revolution and the mullahs promised they would be moderate when they came in. And they actually hijacked it from the mek. A lot of them fled to Iraq and joined in the IRAN Iraq war, 1980, I think, to 1988, fighting with the Iraqis against the Iranians. And they've been persecuted for a long time. In my opinion, they should be the ones running Iran. Now. I don't know if that's in the best interest of the United States. Maybe Reza Pahlavi will be more of an ally. But I'm not sure the people on the ground there, unless it's some type of coalition government or something, are ready for the son of the Shah to take over because they don't want to be reminded of the days of the secret police and stuff like that. But also the Shah was friends to the Russia and the United States and again, in many ways did a lot of good things. Anyway, so much going on. I've been so proud to take part of all these activities in the Pentagon, Department of War, the White House and traveling around the country. Real America's Voice. I love the people out there. Next week we have CPAC on the ground and don't miss it. We'll be giving you live coverage, I think, Wednesday through Saturday. Go to AmericasVoice News, download the Real America's Voice news app for all the latest information on what's going on here. And let's pray that things go well over there in Iran and things settle down in the Straits. And it might be a while. 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