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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to After Hours with Alex Stein right here on Real America's Voice. And we got a great show for you this evening. We got Jay, Jamie Maglietta, who is a TV news veteran to come on and tell us about all the drama behind the scenes of the legacy media as well as the Candace Owens and Hunter Biden interview that's breaking the Internet. We're going to cover all that, but first we have to talk about what is really trending right now on the Internet is that is Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence has just stepped down from her position and people are speculating many different reasons why she decided to do this all of a sudden. Her response and her reason for stepping down is the fact that her husband has been diagnosed with bone cancer and that she wants to spend more time with her family, which is Totally understandable. But of course, the conspiracy theorists, I'm one of them on the Internet, are asking hard questions on why she is so motivated to do this now. And one of the things that I think everybody's speculating on is that her office was recently raided by the CIA and FBI, allegedly. Cash Patel said this wasn't true, but then she did say it was true. If I was the Director of National Intelligence or if I was in Joe Kent's position in charge of the counterterrorism unit, and all of a sudden the deep state and CIA and FBI started to investigate me, I might feel a little uncomfortable holding that position. Because, let's be real, there is a deep state. There is a coordinated effort of people that are unelected officials that can ruin your life. They can make stuff up about you, they can create false narratives, and they can not just publicly embarrass you, but ruin your life, making it that you can't ever work a normal job ever again. And I am just speculating this, but I feel like Tulsi started to feel that heat. I feel like she saw the writing on the wall because of her, you know, non support of the Iran war, that she knew that she had one leg out already and she's using her husband's illness, which is very valid. I'm saying it is very valid. But at the same time, I think there's more to the story, and that might be the weaponization of the deep state against her. I certainly wouldn't want the target of the deep state on my back. So I'm very empathetic to Tulsi Gabbard's position and stepping down. And I feel like even any government role is a thankless job. I'm saying you shouldn't be in the government, but oftentimes you step in that role thinking that you're going to go make a huge difference. But allegedly, there is a lot of, I would say, kickback. When it came to her investigation of the Epstein files, when it came to her investigation of a myriad of issues that she's trying to get more transparency, one of those things being the ufo, you know, the aliens that are allegedly coming to visit us very soon. Now, I don't know if it was just because she's trying to investigate aliens or if she's trying to investigate humanitarian crisis across the glob globe, but I do know this is awfully odd timing. Laura Loomer has been speculating that Tulsi was going to step down for months and that she was 100% going to do it before the midterms. And even though I don't agree with what everything Laura Loomer says, she was 100% correct about this. So I got to give her her kudos on that. But I also think there is way more to the story than meets the eye. So we wish you the best of luck in your next endeavor, Tulsi and we our heart goes out to your husband who has been diagnosed with bone cancer. Now another tragic story we got to talk about. 41 year old NASCAR legend Kyle Busch has passed away. That is a tragic, tragic ending to an incredible career. Everybody knows 41 years old is way too young to just randomly die. And so people online are speculating his cause of death. Now, the Bush family has not given us any information on how he died, but we do have a clip talking about what happened to Kyle. He passed away yesterday at just 41 years old. Well, this morning we've learned Busch became unresponsive Wednesday during a simulator session in Concord and was hospitalized here in Charlotte for what his family called a severe illness. As of this morning, we've been given no official cause of death. Now the sport, of course, losing an absolute titan. Bush leaves behind a little legendary 22 year career, sitting ninth on the all time Cup Series win list with 63 victories. And he held the all time record for total wins across three top national series. Finally this morning, we know Sunday's Coca Cola 600 will go on as planned at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Austin Hill stepping in to Drive the number 8. This is arguably one of the biggest deaths in the motorsport industry since Dale Earnhardt Sr. And I know a lot of people are very affected by this loss. And I just want to say that I like nascar. I'm here in Dallas. I love to go to the Texas Motor Speedway and have some surveys while I bake in the hot sun. And Kyle Busch, you can tell he had a laundry list of accolades and was one of the best drivers of all time. But I personally want to know how he died. And I'm not trying to be insensitive to the Busch family, but I feel like when you're 41 years old and you die under mysterious circumstances, why is that? And I'm not saying it has anything to do with a schmax scene. I'm not that crazy. But I do know that Kyle Busch is recently racing and needed to see a doctor right after the race because he was having issues with the cough. And then recently TMZ has released the 911 call from the ambulance picking Up Kyle Busch at his home. So let's play this clip right now and you can hear in it the person that works for Kyle describes Kyle as laying on the floor, having trouble breathing and coughing up blood. It's really, really scary stuff. Let's play it.
Hunter Biden
Yes. Can I get an ambulance to come to W. Concord, North Carolina?
Jamie Maglietta
Say the street name one more time.
Hunter Biden
It's.
Alex Stein
And tell me exactly what's happened.
Hunter Biden
I've got an individual that's shortness of breath, very hot, thinks he's going to pass out and is. Is produced a little bit of blood, coughing up some blood.
Jamie Maglietta
Okay, and how old is this person, male or female? And is he awake?
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He is awake. He's awake. He's. He's on the bathroom floor right now.
Jamie Maglietta
Okay,
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so when you come in, if you could not make it, can you turn the sirens off?
Jamie Maglietta
Yeah, that's fine.
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When you get here and there's a. So when you come into the main entrance of the building, the closest way to get to him is if you go to the left. Like you'll come in and the parking lot splits to the right or the left. Just tell him to go to the left. I'll be out here waiting on them and I'll flag them down. There's a side door further down the side of the building.
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Now that's some really scary stuff. And I know I've already said this, but that's a huge loss for everybody that was a sport fan of NASCAR or just a fan of Kyle Busch or just a fan of professional athletes that are excellent in their field. So the world has lost a true champion. And my heart goes out to the Busch family. But I also wonder, was it a heart attack? Was he taking some sort of medication? Could it be a drug overdose? I don't think it was a drug overdose. I don't think Kyle Busch did drugs. But the problem is when you have a tragedy like this and you don't get give the full transparent cause of death, people are going to speculate what it could have been. And I don't want to spend this episode speculating, but I do know that in that call it sounds like he was having trouble breathing, he was coughing up blood. So that could be multiple things. Could have been a heart attack, could have been had a viral disease, pneumonia, who knows. But sadly, we lost a NASCAR legend way too soon. And let this be a lesson for everybody out there that thinks that we have unlimited time on earth. That's obviously not true. And you know, I lost my mom not trying to make this about me, but my mom was 59. She's very young. And just know that any day can be your last. And that's why we need to have gratitude. Because right now the world is incredibly divided. People are struggling. But any day above ground is a good day. And I know Kyle Busch will be incredibly missed. And I know that he would trade his spots with any of us right now to be alive. So just don't take your life from granted. Have some gratitude. Even when times are tough. They'll strengthen you for your next obstacle. And that's what life's about. God didn't promise you a rose garden. And my condolences go out to the Bush family. All right, guys. Coming up, we're going to talk about the Candace Owens and Hunter Biden interview that breaking the Internet. We also got to talk with Jamie Maglietta, who is a TV news veteran. She gives us the inside scoop on Brian Stelter, Tucker Carlson, Mike Huckabee, even Dawn Imish. She works with some serious legends. And coming up after the break, we're going to be talking to Jamie Maglietta. Foreign.
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Let's go places. Welcome back to After Hours with Alex Stein right here on Real America's Voice. And we got to sit down with TV news veteran Jamie Maglietta. She's worked at cnn, Fox News, MSNBC or Ms. Now, and even the Breakfast Club. We had a great conversation. And that starts right now. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to After Hours with Alex Stein. We have a great guest. She is a TV news veteran. Her name is Jamie Maglietta. And Jamie has worked all over cnn. MSNBC is now Ms. Now. Said Fox News. She's done it all. She knows everybody. So welcome to the show. Jamie, how are you doing this evening?
Jamie Maglietta
Thank you, I'm doing well. Nice to meet you in person over the Internet.
Alex Stein
Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, I guess this kind of counts as overperse. Oh, you know, this counts as meeting because now all these relationships, people meet on zoom and stuff and start dating. It's so crazy. But, but I want to ask you the first question. You know, all of these media companies, cnn, msnbc and you know, I feel like legacy media is not doing as well as it once was. What do you think about that? Or is it still the top dog? Because it'll always be the top dog. What do you think about legacy media versus new media?
Jamie Maglietta
You know, I spent 20 years in cable news inside the engine of cable news. Msnbc, CNN and Fox, as you mentioned, you know, and I watched that landscape shift. I covered it too, especially with reliable sources. And you know, personalities right now seem to be driving the media engine. But legacy media, from what I am being told by journalism professors, is, is still the desire of those communications and journalism majors that are right now in school. So while we all may be seeing like lower ratings and people pulling away from cable news, those that are coming up still see legacy media as their dreams, which is good to hear.
Alex Stein
That is true now. So you worked with Brian Seltzer directly. You know, I like Brian. He gets a lot of kickback.
Jamie Maglietta
He does get kickback. So let's not do that here.
Alex Stein
But no, no, no, no, we don't have to tease Brian. But I'm saying, what was it like working with Brian because he's a young man. Was it fun working with Brian? And can you give us any funny stories?
Jamie Maglietta
I mean, Brian is a thought leader. I absolutely enjoyed working with him. He was a dream person, reality like personality behind the scenes.
Alex Stein
You're saying he was a good guy because, you know, all the conservatives say they don't like him.
Jamie Maglietta
But I'm saying, you know, Brian has a really good personality. He has a great sense of communication and collaboration. I think he really was a wonderful leader behind the scenes. And he's also, he, he pokes fun at himself too. You know, he sees what's happening out there and he's never one of those that lets it take him down. He's a strong guy. I really enjoyed working with him.
Alex Stein
He is tough. Did you ever meet his wife? His wife's a big time broadcast. Jamie. A lot of people don't realize Jamie. So now do you think, I guess, you know, Brian's had a real resurgence,
Jamie Maglietta
but he's had a huge resurgence.
Alex Stein
Yeah, but I'm saying, do you think that that was ever awkward that Jamie was still on TV when he wasn't? Can you give us an inside baseball?
Jamie Maglietta
I mean, you got to think about like, you know, what would you think if suddenly your, your significant other had a YouTube channel or their own and you used to have one and now you don't, you know, like it's the same thing, right? You. I'm sure there's that moment of, oh, man, I wish I could do that. I'm not right now. But he's one of those guys that probably was working behind the scenes, and clearly he was. He had a book come out and he had a resurgence, especially has the morning show, too. So I don't know how much of, you know, he was eyeing Jamie and being like, gosh, I wish I could do that. He had a lot going on, and he's, you know, a very diverse guy. So.
Alex Stein
Well, he. He was basically running the network at cnn. I mean, he was one of the most powerful guys there. So, yeah, he was. He. Nothing to be ashamed of, obviously, I guess, is the point I'm trying to make. So you've also worked with another guy that's controversial now. He's a little controversial and conservatives. The conservative side a little bit. But Mike Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel, and you were in his band. So tell us about that, because I was.
Hunter Biden
But.
Alex Stein
But what. What instrument did you play? Because there's all that. He plays the bass, right? Or does he play the guitar? Okay, yeah, he plays. Yeah. So all those videos of him playing the bass. So what did you do in the band? He didn't just make you a backup dancer or something like that?
Jamie Maglietta
No, no. You know, when I was at Fox News Channel, I'll say it was one of the most entrepreneurial times at Fox where behind the scenes, everyone was really collaborating and trying to figure out what the audiences wanted and needed. And one of my roles was to produce Fox Extra, which airs on Fox News Channel and FO Business. And I got to work with every single talent at Fox News Channel to create content that would fill those breaks. And one of the times that I was creating content, I met an editor, and he and I connected over music. And when Mike Huckabee started the band for his live show at Fox News Channel, he needed, you know, backup singers. And this editor recommended me. So the editor wound up writing the Mike Huckabee song, and I came on to sing it. So when I met Mike, you know, he was a very, very friendly individual, very nice, very open, engaging. And we had a good time. I mean, we played some music. It was harmless. And I will say this, I also was with him for a media tour for one of his books. And he is one of the most giving characters in TV news. You know, every affiliate he spoke with, he was like, what's happening in your area? How can I provide value to your audience as well as promote my book? So he's a really good media personality in the Sense of.
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Of.
Jamie Maglietta
Of that respect. And when I was at Fox, I don't know why there's a hand going up, but I got a thumb.
Alex Stein
I don't know. Maybe it does that. I don't know. But that's kind of cool. I actually like that. But. So Mike Huckabee is a good guy. Well, now I gotta ask you a hard question. You know, my biological stepfather, Tucker Carlson, is my hero. I love Tucker. Very good friends of mine, he got ousted at Fox. Did you ever get to interview and do any Fox extra with Tucker?
Jamie Maglietta
Because I love Tucker, so I didn't. But I used to listen to Tucker before he came over. And I feel like he has had, you know, his own changes in, you know, the way he communicates, his messaging. And, you know, I think Tucker was one of those people that came to Fox and really brought probably some audience with him and helped build that Fox audience again. You know, at the time at Fox, everyone was really starting to build those personalities, build out the programming. You know, when I was there, it was before we had, you know, streaming, really. We were doing fox news.com live. So I would appear on fox news.com live occasionally because they would be looking for people to put on, and I would just show up and talk to individuals and reporters. Tucker was never a part of that. But I. I've always. I've never had anything bad to say about my time at Fox.
Alex Stein
You better not, Jamie. Not on this show. No, I'm kidding. I love it. A lot of people come after Tucker. I think some of it might be fair. Whatever. People come after me. There's some fair criticisms. But I love Tucker, and he's helped me out a lot. But now I want to ask about this, the rebranding of MSNBC to Ms. Now, I thought that was not a good idea, but I guess really nobody's noticed. It's not every. So calls it Twitter. I still call it Twitter. It didn't really affect the network. Do you think that was a big move when they did that? Because I thought that was kind of a. I thought that signaled. I thought that was a weird signal to the public. Like, yeah, we're trying to change. But I thought the connection to NBC gave them credibility. So what do you think about the name?
Jamie Maglietta
So when I was at msnbc, I worked for Natalie Morales, the Early Today show. And I miss in the morning, I love Imus.
Alex Stein
What you worked on, I will say, you know, I'm a diehard Howard Stern fan. I'm the biggest Howard.
Jamie Maglietta
I'll tell You, I miss as a character.
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you know, what I will say is, you know, at msnbc, I also got the chance to work under Lester Holt and all these greats at msnbc. So when I saw that they were pulling away from NBC News and going out as Ms. Now, I was a bit worried. But they recruited some really strong journalists over to Ms. Now as they relaunched and rebranded. And I think that is what truly helped them stay kind of in their own footing. I don't think we've seen too much of a dip on the ratings either with that rebrand. Everyone's dipping in the ratings right now, but it wasn't like we saw a huge drop off.
Alex Stein
Well, go back to Imiso. Did you. Did you work directly with Don Imus? Like I said, I was a Howard Stern fan. And how you should make fun of Imus, but really and truly Howard in his later career. What is going on? America's Got Talent and Imus was saying Nappy headed this and getting Imus was so controversial when Howard Stern was becoming very politically correct.
Jamie Maglietta
Yeah, you know, I have made my career working with very controversial people and always being the individual who's the the middle of the road, trying to think of all sides, trying to help them look as good as possible on camera, no matter what their point of view is. Imus was one of those characters where when I was at msnbc, we were in the New Jersey location and he had a radio show that aired on MSNBC and would help with the graphics. When I got to Fox, I was so blessed to have an opportunity to produce on air content about the shows for Fox Extra. And so I got to go behind the scenes of I miss in the Morning at Fox and get to see his personality. Yeah, he's got some dry humor. But Carly, who's on Fox and Friends now, she was behind the scenes of that show too. So I met her when I was there and it was a fun, energetic team. I will say that again. I'm not going to dunk on Imagine. Great show, great team.
Alex Stein
I like. I'm saying I enjoyed it. I'm a stayed controversial. Howard became politically correct and I. And you know, there's a lot of complaints. Howard used to always make fun of Rush Limbaugh and say, oh, he's some political guy when Rush was number one on the am, when Howard is number one on the fm. But really you would say that Rush Limbaugh was considered more controversial when he passed away than Howard was at that moment. So it's kind of crazy how the, the Tide changes like that. And it's kind of crazy to think what is considered controversial because really having an opinion on a race or gender, this and that, that's kind of where we want personalities. We kind of want them to be edgy and be, you know, pushed envelope. I feel like me as the viewer, specifically, some people want to be. They want their broadcaster to be like Walter Cronkite and you know, totally down the middle. But I kind of like a guy that's a little, you know, edgy. So.
Jamie Maglietta
Yeah, well, can I add to that? Because here's the thing. I think we're seeing that like right now personality driven media is outweighing traditional media to circle back to the point of legacy media. Right now we're seeing more. And people turn to the scroll, turn to YouTube, turn to podcasts, newsletters. They want personality. You're right, you're in a good position. You're a personality driven media and media outlet. And I will say that as people start to turn to their feeds and see more professionals programming their social media feeds like their own media channel, they're going to just keep getting sucked into that. And right now what traditional media really needs to do is start pulling in some of that personality content within their feeds to help help keep themselves relevant. Because relevancy is really what helps anyone earn media. And you know, having those personalities can probably help. Now, of course, we both are talking about some of these personalities that they have tarnished brands. Right? When you are two person, when you do have a big personality and big opinions, you can also hurt a brand. So these legacy medias, these traditional media outlets, I'm sure are all searching for the right voice to connect with the audience now in a way that you connect with your audience without being controversial because they all want to have their whole audience stick around and be there. But they are very niche specific. You know, Fox is always talking to their audience.
Alex Stein
That is true, that is true. You know, that's why they're experts. But sadly, I feel like their audience is all over 55 years old. Not that that's that old, but they definitely appeal to the over 55 sponsors. Yeah, exactly. And you can just see by the ads, the ads are directed towards people in that age range. Now I want to ask you about, this is a little not off topic, but Diana Rossini is in a big controversy. She is a great journalist, NFL journalist, long time award winning journalist, journalist I like. She's getting canceled for her affair with New England Patriots coach Mike Vrabel. And now she's left the athletic. What do you think about that? Because really and truly, I feel like she should stay in the media. She's got the biggest bump of her life. And I know a sex scandal is bad, but I mean, you know, politicians have sex scandals. Everybody, you know, it's sex handles not that bad. I know that sounds crazy, but I don't, I feel like everybody is, they don't care as much as they might act like they care if that makes,
Jamie Maglietta
I think sometimes when people pull back, they pull back to do a repackaging, to do a rebranding. And I wonder if in this case maybe that's more of the case.
Alex Stein
So you think that she's rebranding for potentially.
Jamie Maglietta
I mean, I don't want her to go.
Alex Stein
I don't want her to stop doing journalism. She was great, all of her connections. And I know that it was a messy situation, but everybody has a screwed up family. Everybody has a messy situation. If you really get it under a microscope.
Jamie Maglietta
I think no matter what, when you're in the political eye, when you have a controversy of any kind and there's an internal investigation, you need to pull back. You need to pull back and reevaluate how you're showing up on camera, how you're showing up in the public eye. And that could be what's happening.
Alex Stein
Coming up after the break, we're continuing to talk with Jamie Maglietta.
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Thank you so much for watching After Hours without Alex Stein. And this is part two of our interview with TV news veteran Jamie Maglietta. Okay, so we only have you on for a little bit longer. Of all of your experience in the TV media, what was the worst experience you've had? Can you tell us? Can you, can you, can you talk about any bad experiences you had legally? I know you signed NDAs. Nothing. Nothing. You didn't have a host be like, oh, you need to separate the green M M's from the red M M's.
Jamie Maglietta
Oh no, I never had that. That I never had that.
Alex Stein
See, I make all of my assistants do that. I make them pick up my laundry. I make them do a horrible. Well, that's just that this is the guy am. If I have a little bit of swag, I'm going to use it. If I have a little bit of cloud, I'm going to use it. So if I ever get hired by Fox, which would never happen, probably because I'm a little controversial, I would be yelling at my staff.
Jamie Maglietta
You'd be trolling your pas.
Alex Stein
I would be trolling, yeah. Well, they better not say a word or else they're going to get fired. Okay. And I want to ask about this though. So do you think it's hard to make it in media as an attractive woman or as a woman, period? Because I would argue now these guys like women. So what do you think about the difference between a man and woman trying to make it in the modern day media?
Jamie Maglietta
I think there are equal grounds. Right now. I think social media is an opportunity and I've been showing up on camera with my YouTube channel giving people advice on how to show up and gain footing. And I think if more professionals who want to that spotlight are thinking like a producer and acting like a journalist with their content, they can be as appealing as no matter what their gender. And I think right now, yeah, it is always going to be harder for one, you know, especially women. I think we have had it a little bit harder. But you know, in some places there's more women in the newsroom and I'm sure, you know, there are also opportunities for women that men don't get. I have never felt like I was at a disadvantage for my gender. I was very blessed to have been brought over to FOX News Channel and recruited to cnn. And after that I went to bet cbs. So there's, there's been a lot of opportunity for me. I'm very thankful for that. But yeah, I think in the personality space it is, it may be a bit harder for, for women on YouTube, but I think right now we are seeing so many eyes turned to YouTube that that could change.
Alex Stein
Yeah, I mean, it always helps to be pretty. I will say that even if you're a guy and you're pretty, it always helps a little bit. What do you think about Barry Weiss? How is she doing at cbs?
Jamie Maglietta
You know, a lot of people are going to say, well, you know what? As if we, as of this moment, like as of this recording, CBS News Radio is no longer going to be broadcasting. And as CBS News Radio's voice Is silent. Netflix penned a deal with the Breakfast Club for a live daily radio show on camera.
Alex Stein
And I'm saying the Breakfast Club is arguably the biggest urban radio show out there. One of the biggest shows, period. But I'm saying specifically in the urban space, it is number one.
Jamie Maglietta
Yes. And so as you think about that, like the redirection of CBS Radio going silent, and now we're seeing Netflix investing in the Breakfast Club, which I worked for when I was at bet. And I will say that this is a evolution of media right now. We are seeing restructuring all across the boards. It's a transformation opportunity. And, you know, I think right now, as audiences are fading, everyone is trying to figure out how do I stand out, how do I become different, how do I communicate with the audience that is there and that I want there. And I'm not going to criticize anyone who's trying to make change, because change can ultimately be good. We just need to. We need to give it some time. No matter where you're trying to make that change. I mean, we also have Warner Brothers and Paramount. So we're going to see restructuring at cnn. You're going to see changes across the board in the media landscape. We see the ratings dip further down in cable. So no matter what, we're going to see a lot of change and everyone's going to have an opinion about it. But it's our job being in the media to continue to learn and evolve and make good content that's relatable.
Alex Stein
Well, a guy that I like, but he gets criticized is Piers Morgan. And I would say, Pierce. Yeah, what I'm saying. But Piers has kind of found a chico where he has a guest driven show, but he has his guests fight and debate and that's why people like it. He's really. That is, in my mind, a cheat code. It's kind of hard to find people to actually want to fight. So because his platform is big enough, people want to go on a show. So what do you think about that and. And Piers Morgan's recent success? Now he's independent and his show has been doing really well. But is that, is that lazy to do with the fight, the shows or the people debate, or do you consider that big as a, like, personality driven show?
Jamie Maglietta
All right, I'll first say, I know, you know, bookers of the Piers Morgan show and they're incredibly intelligent and the ones that I've connected with are really strong journalists looking for great voices. You also have. I think he just launched. I'm trying to look up the Name? Yeah, History Uncensored. This one is a really clever show. Going independent and focusing on YouTube. He took Bianca Noblo, who was a CNN anchor, and now she's host of this History Uncensored. If anyone is not checking her, she is a great female journalist right now in new media. Her channel's doing great, but with peers and the back and forth and booking people to argue and to.
Alex Stein
It's not easy.
Jamie Maglietta
Basically, be combative is very hard. And as you and I have talked about, you know, it is difficult to also get those with different point of views to be on a panel together. Sometimes Democrats don't want to appear on a panel with a conservative. Same thing with conservatives. It is sometimes hard to find the right pairings and, you know, if he's able to do it and get those conversations happening and igniting a response that both provides value to his audience and gets the conversation moving, I say keep it up. But it is hard to book those conversations.
Alex Stein
I agree. And one thing you said I want to harp on, a lot of conservatives say, oh, the liberals won't come on our network. And then liberals say the conservatives won't come on our network. So who is the biggest violator of that, do you think? Because the argument is that conservatives are more willing to have conversations with the other side. Because, you know, I work for Turning Point USA and I go out and I do, you know, pick up the mic. Anybody can pick up the mic and come and speak to me. Charlie Kirk was famous for having conversations with people that were not the same political ideologies as he was. And so I would say just concrete evidence, I think that the conservatives are more gracious to liberal guests. But in your, you know, practice and you actually working. Is. Is that not true? Do you think the liberals are willing to go on the conservative networks just as much as the conservatives are will to go on the liberal network?
Jamie Maglietta
I think I've seen both. So it's a bit tough, you know, in some cases. Yes. You know, I think it's sometimes hard to get conservative voices for a liberal network, but sometimes I think the liberal networks aren't investing enough relationship building to bring those guests on and feel like they're in a safe space. Right. And I think the same thing for conservative networks. You know, you're going to have more Democrats want to appear on if they feel like they're not going to be completely, completely attacked. Right. So I think it takes a confidence level and some in politics just don't want to have a situation where they're going to show up on a show and potentially be raked over the coals over something because they're not prepared enough to defend what they need to say. But I haven't seen one side more than the other. I'm, like, sitting here, and I think it has been equal in many cases. However, when it's an individual, I think they're more likely to jump at an opportunity. It's when you start doing the pairings that they're like, wait, who am I with?
Alex Stein
Yeah, the pair. Like the person that's on their own side. Yeah, because there's drama and heat or whatever, you know.
Jamie Maglietta
You know, my job was never about having an opinion. It's always about trying to make those opinions produced for air. So as a producer, as a journalist, behind the scenes, you're always trying to make sure that all sides are seen. And, you know, when Trump was running for office and I was at cnn, at the time I had come down, I was at Fox, so bringing that more conservative thought down to CNN, always trying to pitch conservatives for air. Kayleigh McEnany was one of mine that I would constantly be trying to get on. You know, it's, it's. It is hard to basically pitch those voices in a area where they're like, oh, we're uncertain. But once you start those conversations, they want them back. You know, when I was there, people were always hungry, at least during Trump in the beginning, it was hungry for both sides, always having Democrats on with Republicans, and they were more willing to come. I will say I think it got a little bit harder when there was a shift within the conservative party, and then it made it a little bit more visceral on air, and people started to be like, maybe I don't want to be on with a Democrat or conservative. So I will say that I think it was a bit easier to get both sides before than it is currently.
Alex Stein
Well, and this is me, selfishly.
Jamie Maglietta
Go ahead.
Alex Stein
As a media figure, though, I have to say, say this, and I want you to give me an honest answer so people, People don't realize this. We fight as broadcasters that have a political bias. You know, I'm a conservative broadcaster. Oh, I want Trump in. But once Trump gets in, CNN has better ratings when Trump is in. Fox News had their best ratings when Barack Obama is in. So as a media figure, it's actually better if the opposite power is in charge than if your same, you know, political party is in charge. Have you seen that? You know, where the ratings start to dip for CNN when Joe Biden is president and Then Fox News go up and then when Trump is president, they lose some of their viewers to the more liberal leaning network. So do you think that there is something, some truth to that?
Jamie Maglietta
I will say as a journalist I always found it interesting to be covering the presidential candidate that I knew the audience was less interested in depending on the network. Now, you know, at cnn people are interested in all voices. I will say that the newsroom is very vivacious. Same at Fox though. Everyone came to the table with Democratic or conservative ideas. When you're pitching, it's more about trying to address like the angles that the audience may be interested in most. Right. But when I was producing at Fox, it was Barack Obama. Right. Like so we moved. No, no, it wasn't. It was. Yeah, it was. So I covered McCain. So McCain, he was, I went to his, it was his election day. So he lost. It was in Arizona.
Alex Stein
Yeah.
Jamie Maglietta
And you know, I remember that day being a huge day for us at Fox. Like Barack Obama winning. It was, it was just, I think people get drawn in even if they aren't into that candidate to see what Fox is going to say about it. Right. So now you have Barack Obama in office, you're going to turn into Fox to see, well, what's the counterpoint? Like he's said this but what are other people saying? And it may even be the same for other networks. You know, for CNN you're going to turn there more when, when Trump maybe is in office because you're trying to see, well, what are the counterpoints that they're bringing forward that I want to learn more from. I already know what he's all about on Fox maybe. So there's, there is that I will say but I think that that's just media and everyone's attracted to their own personalities and the personality driven media, which is what we're seeing more of right now, now and we're going to see more of in the future.
Alex Stein
Well Jamie, thank you so much for joining us. How can people find you and support you before you go?
Jamie Maglietta
They can find me on Instagram, Jamie Underscore Maglietta or follow me on YouTube at on Cameraaddy Media.
Alex Stein
What do you think? Last question. This is a little nothing to do with journalism. Instagram, Instagram now on my feed it's all these women in their underwear. They're all only fans, models this and that.
Jamie Maglietta
Searching.
Alex Stein
I don't know, I sure maybe I was searching some bad stuff. My point is is what do you think about these women and only fans? Do you think that's good a detriment for society, or do you think that that's okay, that these women are, I guess, you know, you know, they're. They own the means to their production. They can make as much money.
Jamie Maglietta
They own the means to their production. And you know what? As an entrepreneur, I thought about selling my feet. You know, I think, there you go.
Alex Stein
Well, I'll sell mine right now. I got sandals on. Give me any money.
Jamie Maglietta
No, I mean, it's a huge. It's a huge opportunity for those that are willing to put themselves out there. There's been celebrities that are now showing up on only fans and. And being able to pay off debts that they had from being, you know, in the spending.
Alex Stein
So I'm good friends with Dre Day Mateo, and she was obviously Adriana on the Sopranos, if you're familiar with that show. That was my favorite show growing up. And I, you know, I'm good enough friends with her. I can kind of tease her a little bit, but it's just crazy to think. Think that she had to do that. I was just surprised considering she's one of the most famous actresses, you know, during her time. That's. That show. Sopranos was like the number one show for a long time. So you are right. A lot of celebrities are doing it, and she feels empowered by it, and she's an adult, so we live in a free country. But I don't. I also don't love these young girls that are getting groomed into it. I think that's.
Jamie Maglietta
Yeah, I actually follow this girl. She's a Forbes. I think she was top 30. And she talks about grooming and how, you know, you need to have parameters in place. You need to have securities in place. You want to be protecting yourself in all situations as a gamer on social media. And I've always been very, like, cagey about my children and showing them because I don't think we should be showcasing our kids too often in a feed because we don't know what that could lead to. Right now they're pulling images from social media and turning them into fake, you know, fake.
Alex Stein
Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie Maglietta
There's a lot that you need to protect. And yeah, I think it is hard, but if we're going to only fans, you know, they just need. They're owning their own production and they can make their own money and do what they want. I say go for it if that's what you're into.
Alex Stein
Well, Jamie, thank you so much for giving us the inside look into this media sphere, not just a conservative side and the liberal side, but just, you know, all sides. And the Breakfast Club, that's so cool you got to work on the Breakfast Club considering how much success that they've had. And Jamie, thank you so much for joining us on After Hours with Alex Stein. Hope to talk to you again again soon.
Jamie Maglietta
Thanks for having me.
Alex Stein
Thank you so much, Jamie Maglietta, for sitting down with the pimp on a blend primetime Alex Stein. And coming up after the break, we got more Candace Owens drama. Who doesn't love it? I know I do. You don't want to miss it. And that's coming up next. Thank you guys for staying up late and watching After Hours with Alex Stein on Real America's Voice. And I get this all the time. People are like, alex, how do you keep your girlish figure? How are you so sexy? How are you one of the sexiest men in conservative politics? Well, I'll tell you how. It's this little energy elixir right here. It's called Soldier Fuel. It is a zero sugar, five calorie energy energy drink that will keep you going all night long. If you guys want to just partake in the party as well, go to buy soldierfuel.com or go to Amazon and get a case today. And if you upload a video of yourself chugging this and yelling soldier Fuel. To what is this soldierfuel.com challenge. Took me a second to remember it. But you go to soldierfuel.com challenge, you upload that video, and if we like it, we're going to play it on the show. And we're also going to send you a free case of Soldier Fuel. So you can't beat that. All right, guys, we got to talk about the drama that's breaking the Internet. Candace Owens recently hosted Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden on her podcast. It was a spicy conversation, really way more agreeable than I expected. But there is also a common courtesy that hosts like to show to guests, even if they don't agree with them. Because anybody that's coming on your show as a invited guest, you should show them a modicum of respect. I mean, a lot of respect, really, but at least a little bit respect. Because it shouldn't be a gotcha interview unless, you know, you're, unless you're setting it up as a debate or something. You really should always be gracious to your guests. I feel like that's just the rule. And she was very gracious to Hunter Biden. It seemed like they got along really well. And I want to play the first clip that I thought was pretty interesting and let's play it right now.
Hunter Biden
One of the things that traps you in your addiction is shame. And you know, you, you like me, are, are Catholic. And we have learned that guilt is an appropriate emotion. Guilt is, is an appropriate response to something. When you've done something wrong and you're supposed to atone for it and you're supposed to seek forgiveness. Whether the forgiveness comes from an individual or not, you're. That, that is the, that's the lesson is that it is in only through seeking that forgiveness can you release yourself from that guilt.
Alex Stein
Well, I would hope that Hunter feels a little guilty considering his laptop almost ruined his father's presidential career. And on top of that, all of the shame and embarrassment that he brought to his family because there's tons of nude pictures of him and there's pictures of him measuring drugs. There's pictures of him driving his car over 100 miles hour an, an hour. There's text messages where he's using racial slurs. So I'd imagine that he does feel pretty guilty when all of that stuff came out. But at the same time, he seems like a guy that wants to change and get better. And America was built on second chances. So I'm not going to demonize Hunter too much. And I thought this was pretty self deprecating. In this next clip, he admits that he was a crack addict. And I think that's the first way to get to recovery is admitting that you have a problem and trying to address it. So, so I thought this was pretty admirable for him to admit that he's a crack addict.
Hunter Biden
But I was a crack addict. Like I was a degenerate crack addict. I mean, I've heard you call me a crackhead many times. And the truth of the matter is I was a crackhead. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and I say that not to shock people because it's really shocking. Crack cocaine carries such a stigma to it. Begin with, with. But I say it because I think that there are so many people. I don't think I know there are so many people. I think that there's, you know, at any given time, 30 million Americans that are either in active addiction or in recovery. There's not a single person that I know that hasn't been impacted by addiction at some level, in some form, personally or with someone that is one degree of separation from the they love.
Alex Stein
You know, I'd like to make fun of Hunter and just call him a crack smoker and yada yada. Yada, you know, is he white or is he black? Is he in the 80s still? I mean, who still smokes crack? I don't even know that's actually that popular. But I can empathize with Hunter. He lost his mother at a young age. It's a lot of pressure having your father be a powerful politician your whole life. And, you know, everybody needs a release. Everybody likes to have fun. And so I think what he said does resonate with a lot of people that are struggling with drugs and alcohol. And I'm happy that Hunter Biden can be outspoken, because if he does help somebody get sober and clean off of drugs, I think that's pretty admirable, even if he just helps out a few people. So I'm happy that he had this conversation and was speaking honestly about his struggles and not trying to whitewash them and make them seem like it wasn't a big deal, because obviously we saw the laptop. It was a big deal. The guy's on camera, you know, taking selfies, so he's got a crack pipe in his mouth. So he had some serious issues. And it seems like he is on the road to recovery. He says he's been sober since 2019. I doubt it, but, you know, I'll just give him some grace because I don't have any evidence that he's still smoking crack. And in the interview, he also said that the White House cocaine was not his, which I know we've all been speculating that it was Hunter Biden's cocaine, but I think that even an idiot like Hunter Biden, no offense, he did go to, what, Harvard Law School? Somehow I think even Hunter Biden would know not to bring crack cocaine or cocaine, for that matter, into the White House. Or at least I hope he would. Now, this next clip was pretty ominous because Hunter Biden, who was Joe Biden's son, talks about the deep state, talks about the weaponization, and insinuates that the CIA can come after all of us, which is a very scary proposition.
Hunter Biden
There are forces that I used to take. Oh, this is. Have you ever read the Devil's Chessboard?
Jamie Maglietta
Yes, I, I, I, Alan Dulles looking into the CIA. I read this book, Chaos, that then led me the Devil's Chessboard. It's actually on our list for books to read for the book club.
Hunter Biden
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jamie Maglietta
It'll knock you. Chaos, CIA, the mansion stuff. That was the one that knocked me. And I was like, what the heck is our government? What is going on?
Hunter Biden
And you realize the, that anyway, what
Jamie Maglietta
the CIA is capable of. And you think it's all a conspiracy. And I think that's what they're fearful of, is that people have awakened to that. And so when they're kind of trying to throw red meat now, what you see them doing, the left, the right, it's just not landing the same anymore because we just realized that there is a chessboard.
Hunter Biden
That's why I have. In terms of the left, like, you think I'm going to defend the. The. The DC elite of the. Of the left, they. They crushed my dad.
Alex Stein
Now, that's pretty shocking to me to hear the former president's son talk about how the CIA can manipulate all of us at the, you know, snap of their fingers. So everybody should probably check out the devil's chessboard and get a better understanding of how things really work in the world, because if you think everything is hunky dory and all these kinds of cops and, you know, federal agencies are just holding hands and singing Kumbaya all day long, they're not doing that. They're doing everything they can to preserve power and take away power from the people. And that's why I think I'm really happy, you know, personally, that they had this conversation. I know a lot of people criticize Candace Owens, but the fact that she was able to come across the aisle with somebody that she doesn't politically align with on most issues and have a thoughtful conversation, I really can't, Dan. Demonize that too much. So thank you to Candace Owens, thank you to Hunter Biden for having that conversation. And we'd love to have you on the show, Hunter, anytime. You're welcome to come on. I would. You know, I know you're sober, but if you want to come on and smoke a little crack, I'm down to do that. Hunter, I know that sounds crazy, but if that's what it takes to get you on After Hours with Alex Stein, I'm willing to do it because I want to have a very good conversation like the one you had with Candace Owens. All right, guys, guys, it's prime time, Alex Stein, and it's Memorial Day weekend, so you know what I'm doing? I'm getting freaky. I'm getting the party started all weekend long. Tonight, as soon as the show's done, I'm going to the nightclub. I got a bunch of big booty Latinas in the VIP waiting for me. But I'll probably be a little hungover on Saturday, so I'll probably have to take that off a little bit. But then Sunday I'm going to be fired up because we got a great event right here in the DFW area at Marty B's. It is called Celebrate Freedom and a lot of the rap personalities are going to be there and it's a free event so you don't want to miss it. Check out the promo
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Episode (May 22, 2026): Candace Owens Interviews Hunter Biden, Media Truth Bombs
Host: Alex Stein
Featured Guest: Jamie Maglietta (TV News Veteran)
Special Segment: Highlights from Candace Owens' interview with Hunter Biden
This episode of After Hours with Alex Stein tackles some of the week's most controversial and headline-grabbing stories. Alex opens with a discussion on the resignation of Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence and speculates on “deep state” dynamics. The episode also covers the shocking and sudden death of NASCAR legend Kyle Busch, sharing the details and public speculation around the circumstances.
The main segment features veteran TV news producer Jamie Maglietta, who gives listeners an inside look at legacy vs. new media, the dynamics behind controversial TV personalities, and challenges facing the industry.
The latter half of the episode dives into Candace Owens' widely discussed interview with Hunter Biden, focusing on addiction, shame in public life, and insights on government power. The episode closes with reflections on media, celebrity, and new digital paradigms.
Timestamps from 16:46–48:40
Brian Stelter:
Mike Huckabee:
Tucker Carlson:
Don Imus, Howard Stern, Shifting Controversy in Media:
Personality-Driven Media’s Rise:
Women in Media:
Scandal & Reinvention (Diana Russini example):
Impact of Political Swings on Ratings:
Timestamps from 50:46–54:42
Addiction & Shame, Personal Atonement:
Admission & Stigma of Addiction:
On the Deep State & the CIA:
Alex Stein reaction:
“That’s pretty shocking … [to] hear the former president’s son talk about how the CIA can manipulate all of us at the snap of their fingers.” (55:44)
Alex Stein on Deep State:
“There is a deep state. There is a coordinated effort of people that are unelected officials that can ruin your life.” – [04:23]
Jamie Maglietta on Brian Stelter:
“He pokes fun at himself too. … He’s a strong guy. I really enjoyed working with him.” – [19:03]
Alex Stein on Cross-Party Conversations:
“A lot of conservatives say, ‘Oh, the liberals won’t come on our network.’ … Who is the biggest violator of that, do you think?” – [40:15]
Jamie Maglietta’s Response:
“I think sometimes hard to get conservative voices for a liberal network, but sometimes … liberal networks aren’t investing enough relationship building … I haven’t seen one side more than the other.” – [41:01]
Hunter Biden on Addiction:
“I was a crack addict. Like, I was a degenerate crack addict. … I say it because … there are so many people.” – [52:13]
Hunter Biden on Government Power:
“You realize … [the CIA], what they are capable of, you think it’s all a conspiracy. … People have awakened to that.” – [54:42]
Alex Stein maintains his signature provocative, irreverent tone—mixing empathy, bluntness, and at times trolling humor (“big booty Latinas,” etc.). Jamie Maglietta brings a balanced, insider’s perspective—professional but optimistic about the progress of media. The Hunter Biden segment is candid and at times somber, with both Candace Owens and Hunter showing mutual respect during their conversation.
This episode stands out for its bold, candid discussion of taboo subjects—government secrecy, addiction, scandal in the media—and the changing landscape of American news. The interview with Jamie Maglietta offers a rare look behind legacy TV newsrooms, while the focus on the Hunter Biden interview showcases the value of respectful yet challenging cross-aisle conversation.
Key takeaway:
Personality and authenticity are redefining media, and open dialogue—like the Candace/Hunter exchange—remains the most powerful tool for bridging divides, even amidst controversy and distrust.
For listeners wanting to get industry insights, understand the web of legacy and new media, and hear honest conversation around America’s most touchy current events, this After Hours episode delivers an unfiltered ride.