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Donald Trump (3:46)

on a daily basis. I don't talk about you. I can't talk about specifics. A lot of people say that wouldn't matter. Maybe it does matter. Who knows. But I wouldn't talk. It's like the question this young lady asked. Sorry about I embarrass her. I don't want to embarrass you because I think you're of. I think she's a friendly reporter. So I'm sorry, but you know, I can't say what we're going to do because if I did, I wouldn't be sitting here for long. They'd probably, what is it called, the 25th Amendment. That institute the 25th Amendment, which, which they, which they didn't do with Biden, which is shocking the Israelites sane enough

Jan Jekielek (4:22)

to leave the region because Steve said

Donald Trump (4:23)

that they've got enough uranium to make 11 bombs. That's a very scary thing. So. Well, again, I can't talk to you about that. You're asking me a question. You're essentially saying, will I go in and do something? I can't talk to you about that,

David Zier (4:36)

Mr. President.

Donald Trump (4:37)

You're looking at a coalition of ships

Bo Davidson (4:38)

to help warships to help protect tankers.

Donald Trump (4:41)

How close are you getting that? Well, we have a coalition for them, but they should have been up here a long time ago and, you know, they're affected. The amazing thing is we don't need the hormones strait. We don't need it. We don't need it at all. We don't. We have so much oil. Our country is not affected by this. We have more. We have twice the amount of oil as Saudi Arabia or Russia, and soon it will be three times the amount. Chris, do you want to speak to that for a second?

David Zier (5:08)

That's correct. Our total oil production is. Is greater than Saudi Arabia's, plus Russia, and more than we consume in the United States.

Ben Bergquam (5:15)

So we're the largest.

Donald Trump (5:16)

Pretty good. Pretty good. You know what they call it? Drill, baby, drill. Mr. President, anything else you want to say?

David Zier (5:25)

Well, same thing for natural gas. We went before your first term, we were the largest exporter of natural gas in the world. Today, we're just by far the largest. And we were the largest importer. Now we're by far the largest exporter. And it's growing rapidly this year. New facilities are coming online. Production is ramping up.

Donald Trump (5:43)

We're doing an amazing job. We get a lot of help from that man right over there. He's getting approvals done quickly and very environmental. He's an environmentalist, actually. He does a great job, but he gives you a fast approval or rejection. Do you have anything to say?

Chris (5:57)

Well, back on Venezuela, where Chris and I both had a chance to be there, I literally think they're going to put up a statute of President Trump. And I'm not being. It's not a political statement. It's.

Donald Trump (6:08)

That would be a great.

Chris (6:09)

No, because it's like they view President Trump like Simon Mueller, he's the liberator of a country. And this is a country where they, you know, they love American baseball. You look on the street, they're wearing NBA jerseys. And Delsey and her team working with us getting back, Chris and I both experienced. It was the first time in Venezuelan history that they had the free press allowed to come on to essentially, what's their word? White House, the palatio Minaflores. And it was like, it was an emotional thing for people that had been for 20 years, had never had a chance to be there. So whether it's the. And then production, it's showing up in production. The American companies that are coming back, most of those American companies have many American Venezuelan team members. One company In Houston's got 600 Venezuelan Americans that know more about reviving that industry. So their GDP went. Is it one fourth of what it was before. They want to get back. They remember what it was. Their production on oil production is climbing towards 50% increase just in the three months we've been here. That flows to American refineries on the Gulf coast, lowering the price of gas in America. So it's a.

Donald Trump (7:14)

Forget that. When are they going to do the statue?

Jan Jekielek (7:24)

Thank you. You've been really honest about how disappointed you are in Sir KE Starmer, particularly in relation to Iran. So I'm curious about your phone calls with him, how easy they might be. And also, were you surprised?

Donald Trump (7:36)

Are we talking about Starmer?

Jan Jekielek (7:37)

Yes. Are you surprised by how we.

Donald Trump (7:40)

I think he's a lovely man. I do. I think he's a lovely man. But I think he did something that was shocking. He didn't want to help us. And maybe in particular that country, you know, the longest bond, the longest ally. Australia, too. Australia was not great. I was a little surprised by Australia. I wouldn't say anybody was great. Other than the five countries in the Middle East. We never really had very much support. You know, we spend trillions of dollars supporting countries. And this is little league. This isn't the big league deal. This is sort of literally pool for us. This was an easy. This was like. We decimated them in a period of a week. The first week it was over. In the first few days it was over. I think the Navy took us three days to essentially annihilate that. They weren't there. So if there's ever a big one, which I hope there's not, but if there's ever a big one, I don't think they're going to be there. And that's not fair. And we have to remember, remember that as a country, because we spend trillions of dollars protecting Europe, protecting the countries of NATO, they weren't there for us. For small time. This is small time. You know what? Venezuela is a big deal, but it's not the big one. They weren't there. So what makes you think they'd be there if we needed them for something? And your prime minister was not there, as you know, he was there after we won. He said, we'd like to send some ships. I said, we already won. We don't need them anymore.

Jan Jekielek (9:16)

But can you explain why he was reluctant to help?

Donald Trump (9:19)

Why he what?

Jan Jekielek (9:19)

Why he was reluctant to help with Iran?

Donald Trump (9:23)

He didn't have to. I didn't ask him. I just said, you tell me. No, I mean, we're always going to be there. At least we were. I don't know about anymore. To be Honest with you, I would have to be honest. We were always there when they needed help. We always would have been there when they needed help. I mean, think of it. We're there to protect Europe from Russia. In theory, it doesn't affect us. We have an ocean, big, fat, beautiful ocean. But we're there to protect NATO, to protect them from Russia, but they're not there to protect us. It's doesn't make sense, I tell you. A lot of people were big, NATO people. I was never big. It was okay. I got them to pay 5%, by the way. They haven't paid it yet. You know that. You know, I got them to pay 5% from 2% to 5%. They didn't pay it yet. I got them to pay up to 2% because they weren't paying the 2%. Then I got them to pay 5%, which they should be at. And we had a lot of, oh, that was great, Great. Oh, only Trump could do it. But the problem is they haven't paid because if you look at the numbers, they haven't paid yet. So we were there for them, but they were not there for us. Did we need them? No, I never thought we needed them. I was more doing a test. I said, I really would love to have you come up, bring your boats. You can sail through the beautiful Harmo Straits and you can protect people that are being shot at. They didn't do it. And that's small potatoes. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Jan Jekielek (11:00)

Yeah, I do.

Ben Bergquam (11:01)

Go ahead.

Jan Jekielek (11:03)

I was just going to say, does it affect the state visit with the king that you're going to have in April?

Donald Trump (11:07)

Are you looking forward to that with the king? No, he's a friend of mine. He's a great gentleman. As you know, he honored me and our country. He really honored our country. Country. But we had an amazing time. I've known him as Prince Charles. I know him as King Charles. I'm proud of him. He's fighting a tough battle. He's tough. I think. I think he's a fantastic. It has nothing to do with. It's different, but. And we're going to. He's going to be here very soon. As you know, we're going to have a state dinner. It's going to be great. But I was very disappointed when the prime minister said I won't be able to. It started with the island, the island that the indigenous have claimed away from your country. And for some reason, you went for it. And all of a sudden, indigenous people that never saw the place. They never saw it. He was afraid that we would do something to himself because he's a liberal. That's the way they think. And when we needed the island to land that beautiful B2 bomber, we were told we can't use it. Said we'd have to fly back to Missouri, which is a 17 hour flight as opposed to a couple of hours. And I said, you got to be kidding. Not good. They made a big mistake.

Jan Jekielek (12:22)

Mr. President, is the Friday deadline for Iran, is that pushed back now or

Donald Trump (12:28)

if not, I don't know yet. I don't know. Mr. Witkoff and JD and Jared will tell me whether or not they think going along and if it's not going along, maybe not. And we have a lot of time. You know what? It's a day in Trump time. A day. You know what it is? That's an eternity.

Jan Jekielek (12:54)

European Parliament just passed a major deportation plan. Some of the tenets of it are that member states can deport rejected assessment asylum seekers to third countries regardless of whether they have a connection to it. It allows for detention periods of up to two years and also offshore return hubs or detention centers similar to our.

Donald Trump (13:13)

Who did this, who does, which country?

Jan Jekielek (13:15)

And the vote was not close. It was 389 in favor to 208.

Donald Trump (13:18)

Again, I'd vote with them.

Jan Jekielek (13:20)

Here is where you are now. Do you think that will move the needle with Democrats?

Donald Trump (13:25)

I don't care about the Democrats. The Democrats hate our country. The Democrats are in chaos right now and they have no common sense. You know, they have one quality that's amazing. They stick together. And it's harder because they stick together in a ridiculous policy like men playing in women's sports. Open borders for everybody, including murderers and anybody else that wanted. We're open to you. Come in, murderers. You know why they do that? They do that for a couple of reasons, but they do it for votes because they think they're going to vote for the Democrats. Even though I did great with the Hispanic vote, tremendous with the Hispanic vote, you know, I turned that whole thing around. The Hispanics like me and I like them. And you know, it's interesting with Hispanics, when I built the wall, everybody said, oh, that's going to ruin us. For the Hispanics, it was just the opposite. They know all about immigration and they know all about death and crime. And they're smart people and they have common sense. They wanted to be protected from the people that were coming into our country. So, you know, I won the election with a very tremendous Hispanic vote and I Think it's higher now than it was then.

Bo Davidson (14:33)

So

Donald Trump (14:36)

we're a party of common sense. The Democrats are a party of insanity. They're a party that will destroy our country. If I didn't win this election, I believe our country would have been. Have been destroyed by now. One year. That's all it would have taken. If you had Kamala or Sleepy Joe, either one. It wouldn't have mattered. They're the same thing. Two sleepy people. Two stupid people, I believe. And by the way, Gavin Newscomb, who is one of the candidates, I believe he took himself out of the running when he says he is. He suffers from mental disability. And a reporter said it was terrible that I talked that way about somebody with mental disability. I said, I have no problem with it, but I don't want a person with mental disability to be my president. I mean, you don't want to have a person with mental disability being your president. And Gavin Newsom said that he can't read a speech. He can't do almost anything. And then he said he's as dumb as all the people in the room. And he got accused of being a racist, which was an amazing. I thought it was the worst interview I've ever seen anybody give. He's actually a very stupid person. So I believe he's out of the running. I think that that statement, that interview, he admitted that he's a stupid person. I don't want a stupid person being president. You know, I'll say it right now. I say it because no press never reports it. I'm the only president that ever took a cognitive test. I took it three times. It's actually a very hard test for a lot of people. It wasn't hard for me, but it's a cognitive test. It starts off with an easy question, and by the time you get to the middle, it gets tougher. By the time you get to the end, very few people can answer those questions. They get very tough mathematical equations and things. I took it three times. I aced it all three times in front of numerous doctors that I have no idea who they. Who they are. And I was told when I went in, they said, Dr. Ronney told me this. My current doctors, who are fantastic doctors, they said, well, if you take it, you know, it's Walter Reed. It's essentially a public hospital, and if you do badly, it's probably going to get out. But I aced it. I got them all right. And one doctor said, I've never seen anybody get them all right. I've been doing the test for 20 years. I want people. I would love to see anybody that's a president or a vice president or anybody that has any chance of being a president, I would like to see them take a cognitive test. Because we had a man in this office that had no clue what was happening. And let me give you a little secret. He wasn't a smart man 30 years ago. And I'll tell you about President Obama. He wasn't a smart man either. I know all about him. He wasn't a smart man. Highly overrated. He was a great divider. And our country can't go through that anymore. Can't go through. We have done an amazing job. I had to do a little stopover. I call it an excursion. I had to do a little stopover in Iran and we had to knock the hell out of them because our country would not have been safe. The world wouldn't have been safe. I've done a great favor for the world. The world has not been. It has not been reciprocal. Because when I told NATO where we give billions and billions of dollars, trillions over the years, I said, do you mind coming up and giving us a little hand with the streets? Send up some. They didn't want to get involved. And I believe that's going to cost them dearly. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you very. Much.

Jan Jekielek (18:20)

Thank you.

Donald Trump (18:21)

Thanks. Keep moving, guys.

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Bo Davidson (19:13)

All right. And we are here live in Dallas, Texas at the gaylord Texan. For CPAC 2026, I'm Bo Davidson alongside the great David Zier and the great Ben Berkwam. Gentlemen, great to be with you today.

David Zier (19:23)

Awesome. Great to see you.

Ben Bergquam (19:25)

Yeah, great to be with you as well.

David Zier (19:26)

Great crowd here again.

Bo Davidson (19:27)

Big crowd. Absolutely. Texas is always great, right, Ben?

Ben Bergquam (19:33)

Yeah, you know, I mean, it's one of those states. It takes you four, you know, four days to drive through. You go. You go through Texas. Every time I go to Europe, I'm like, holy cow. You just take for granted how easy it is to get places. Come to Texas.

David Zier (19:45)

And appreciation in France. Yeah, yeah.

Ben Bergquam (19:48)

I love. There was actually a picture of Houston and somebody superimposed the entire state of Connecticut and it's basically the borders of Houston, the city limits of Houston.

Bo Davidson (19:58)

And for those who haven't been to a Gaylord, you know, it's like a city in and of itself, too. Yeah, you easily get lost in here.

Ben Bergquam (20:02)

Well, so I actually, we were at this awesome restaurant, steakhouse here last night. By the way, shout out to my wife. She's running around with our girls. Our 21st anniversary last week.

Bo Davidson (20:11)

Congratulations.

Donald Trump (20:12)

Yes.

Ben Bergquam (20:12)

She has put up with me for 21 years.

David Zier (20:14)

And your great wife, Hilly. And your daughters are just absolutely beautiful.

Ben Bergquam (20:18)

Yeah, I'm totally blessed. But we were out there at dinner, and we were talking to the, the server, and he was saying, you know, have you had trouble in the hotel yet? And we were like, yes. You know, it's. We're worried our kids are going to get lost. He said, well, it's cool, because you can actually just screenshot this QR code and then it will track your every movement and tell you where you are and how to get out. So just note to everyone that's here, if you, if you take your room keys and their screenshot, the QR code on the little folded piece, it'll actually guide you where you're at and how to get everywhere.

David Zier (20:48)

Right out of Minority Report. It's great to be here. You know, we got great lineup today coming out on the stage, so we'll be bringing you speakers as they go through. Right. We've got some great guests coming up, Right?

Ben Bergquam (21:00)

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is. We just heard President Trump, that, that long press conference. I want to get your guys's take on that, the, the implications, the intent and what's coming next on that. But, you know, he talks about a lot, and I want to talk about where we were. I brought the rape kit that we got in the Darien Gap when I was there with Oscar during Joe Biden, why ICE is out picking up the illegals that Joe Biden, the Democrats let in, and why the left is using that as a political weapon for the 2026 election. But then where we're at when it comes to Iran and everything else. So a lot to talk about. The economy, gas, oil. I know Steve Gruber has been talking a lot about that, and it'll be interesting to see at cpac. This is one of those unique ones where, you know, we're battling the left, but just as much, you've got forces within that we're battling. And, and I see this every time. It's what the devil always uses. It's division and distraction. You have distraction you know, whatever that is. And then you see division. Anytime you see division popping up and whether that's Israel or Iran or Epstein or all these things, it's like, hey, where's this coming from? And how do we get focused on the things that matter, on our enemies, on our true enemies, and actually getting some of these policies passed. Everything boils down the 2026 election. That's it.

Bo Davidson (22:15)

Yeah, it does. And, Ben, something I picked up just a little bit, I could hear and hear from President Trump's speech was the present that Iran gave him, which I guess was eight boats, which turned out to be 10 boats. I guess he kind of revealed that today. That was something that we had not heard before. That was kind of a big thing, that apparently he's dealing with the right people or someone's in charge. David, anything you want to say at the top of this in terms of President Trump's press conference this morning?

David Zier (22:37)

Well, I think it shows that he's still in control. You know, everybody. I don't want, you know, everybody to just panic out there and say, oh, you know, things are out because the mainstream media is making it like it's total chaos over there. And, yeah, there's big implications for gas, there's huge implications for oil, for helium, for aluminum, for fertilizer products and all that. But we do see Europe coming together. I think we got to give it a little time here, and I think things will probably stabilize out there. But, yeah, so touch on that for

Bo Davidson (23:09)

a moment, David, because you've been following the Department of War, you know that area very well. Tell me what you think in terms of the leadership within Iran, who it could be, who the people would most like it to be, and how soon that could happen.

David Zier (23:22)

Well, if you follow the people's deen of Iran, the ncri, the National Council for the Iranian Resistance, and the mek, you know, which always have been leaning socialists, right?

Donald Trump (23:32)

They were.

David Zier (23:34)

They were the young kids, they were the college people. They led the revolution in 79. And they're really the rightful leaders over there. I feel like Mariam Rajavi, who is the exiled government of 4,000 European parliamentarians, support to take power over there. And, you know, I don't know. I hear there's a lot of protests on the ground, especially since the Fyre festival, which was the Persian New year, which is 4,000 years old, the end of Ramadan, and there is activity on the streets. People starting to come out, and you've got a million members of this Iranian militia, though, had been putting pushing back against protesters. So will it happen fast enough? Will it be a provisional type government and will that be a blend of who's there now?

Bo Davidson (24:17)

You know, the fourth.

Ben Bergquam (24:18)

And the question will it be any better than what we had before? And this is, you know, you say socialists, how much of this goes back to the Yasser Arafats that were trained under the Communists? Are these the socialists of America that want to that create this global. It's maybe not an Islamic caliphate, but a communist caliphate. Who are we up against?

David Zier (24:36)

I don't think there's anybody as stupid as the socialist in America. You know, I covered the White House protest, the Iranian war protesters outside.

Ben Bergquam (24:44)

Is there a good socialist, though?

David Zier (24:45)

No, there isn't.

Bo Davidson (24:46)

There is your favorite good socialist, David.

David Zier (24:48)

I was in the Soviet Union, so I get it. But, you know, these guys are outside protesting Trump and they have signs of the Ayatollah and it's the Palestinian Youth Organization, it's the Palestin, it's the People's Social and Liberation Front, USA and DC chapters, and they're holding signs. Ayatollah not realizing that the MEK and the People's were basically socialists, you know, in Iran. Like, why aren't they supporting them?

Ben Bergquam (25:14)

Yeah, the imprisoned and dead ones.

David Zier (25:16)

So I, you know, I think that if there was a coalition type government, because Mariana Job is promising free elections. She's promising an interim government, a Bill of Rights, six months elections. I don't know if they're going to gain traction.

Jan Jekielek (25:29)

What will it look like?

David Zier (25:30)

Reza Pahlavi, will he have a role which the people on the ground probably don't want to be reminded?

Bo Davidson (25:36)

And Ben Reza Pahlavi is speaking at CPAC this weekend. Yeah, there's something to be said about that. That they brought him here to speak.

David Zier (25:42)

Yeah, but he said not speaking in Tehran.

Bo Davidson (25:45)

That's true.

David Zier (25:45)

So does he have the grassroots support over there to ferment Some, because the MEK and the People's Mujahideen fled to Iraq after the revolution, when the mullahs hijacked the revolution after, and they joined the the Iraq War and fought against Iran. And they've been persecuted for 47 years. So I think they have to be included at least if there's some type of.

Ben Bergquam (26:06)

The big question from this morning was who is it that said you're getting the 8 votes and then turned into 10? Who is it that President Trump and his team are actually negotiating with?

David Zier (26:14)

I can get into that really quick. I just wanted to add. Yeah, so there's the guy that they're dealing with in the government who was the mayor of Tehran. He rides his motorcycle around. He's kind of popular in a way there now. He's a hardline irgc propagandist, but he's also known as a pragmatist. And maybe he doesn't want to be killed. Maybe he's the messenger and the harbinger to get some type of interim, Excuse me, government going over there.

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Jan Jekielek (26:51)

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Ben Bergquam (26:52)

But you know there's no alcohol. Yes. No, it's all good stuff. Just energy.

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the way we are going to be going out to the crowd, we got some awesome people out here, some amazing patriots, some MAGA folks. The soldiers on the front lines be talking to them. And so real quick question. If you're here, come join us.

Bo Davidson (28:22)

A lot of us traveled yesterday, and I want to know from Ben and from David what it was like going through tsa. I'll start. I came from Fort Lauderdale Airport, where spring break is still very much in effect. Five minutes or less, no problem. How about you?

David Zier (28:34)

I was at LaGuardia Airport. Monday was a mess. They had that plane crash. Runway 4 is still closed until Friday, tomorrow, but I got through in 15 minutes. And that's incredible.

Ben Bergquam (28:45)

Definitely a plane crashed the day before. Yeah, that's incredible. I drove here. So my, my TSA was great.

Bo Davidson (28:52)

Your last flight, was it in the past several weeks?

Ben Bergquam (28:54)

No, I haven't flown since the shutdown.

Jan Jekielek (28:56)

Okay.

Ben Bergquam (28:56)

But it makes me wonder. I'm actually flying next week. I'll be. I can't say where I'm going, but I'm gonna be joining ICE again.

Donald Trump (29:02)

Okay.

Ben Bergquam (29:02)

So stay tuned for that. But by the way, God bless ice. God bless all of the, the agents that are out there picking up and it. Look, we're starting with the worst of the worst, but every illegal in America needs to be deported. And we've got. This is why 2026 is so important. Because unless we codify President Trump's executive orders into law, none of it matters. As soon as you get another Democrat, Democrat, House, Senate, president, all of this is undone. And I don't know if we ever get it back. That's why 2026 is so important. But God bless ICE and what they're doing. It makes me wonder, though, you guys are seeing this. You guys got to see, see it yesterday, how much was of that hysteria chaos at the airports was BS manufactured, manufactured intentionally by the Democrats to try to blame it on Trump. And all of a sudden they realize it backfired and it's going back against them, and they realize they're the ones that are blocking these bills, the budget, from being passed.

David Zier (29:54)

Well, I would just add that they love the turmoil.

Ben Bergquam (29:58)

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And Houston this morning, there were long lines, two, three hours. There's still some long lines out there. But I question why don't they just privatize the TSA and get it out of the government's hands so they can't hold it hostage for funding?

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Bo Davidson (30:12)

Well, most of the people that were in our tax thread, it looks like they were coming here from various parts of the country, so they didn't have a problem. That doesn't mean that there aren't lines. They sure are. But God bless ICE for coming, helping out, pitching in and doing everything that they can. Well, we are live here at CPAC 2026 at the Gaylord in Dallas, Texas. We've got a lot more great guests coming up for you. Reza Pahlavi will be speaking, Tom Holman's going to be speaking, a number of really, really great speakers. Reverend Franklin Graham just spoke just a little while ago, so make sure you keep your dial tuned right here to Real America's Voice. Some performances coming up later tonight and tomorrow you won't want to miss. We'll be right back.

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26. Good to be here in Dallas, Texas. Bo Davidson here with David Zier. We have an esteemed guest that's with us. His name is Jan Yakhelik. He's host of American Thought Leaders at the Epoch Times. I used to work with Jan for a couple of years and what Jan did, I think when I was there is he taught me a lot about what happens within China, the Chinese Communist Party. If there's any group and person that probably knows them extremely well and how nefarious they are, it's Yan. Yan has a best selling book called Kill to Order. We want to get into that with Jan. Jan, first of all, I want to say that a lot of people know the show Squid Game and I remember watching it, it's a very popular series and there's a scene in it where there's organ harvesting happening in it. And as soon as I saw it, I looked at it because of what I'd known and what I'd read about. I said this is fiction, but it's really not. And it probably exposed a lot of people who just follow entertainment to what's actually going on. So why don't you tell us what is actually happening in China with respect to organ harvesting? Organ harvesting.

Jan Jekielek (34:37)

So you hear these rumors about, you know, organ trafficking in America and other places, right? I mean, some of it's pretty horrific. Someone wakes up on ice, basically organ removed. All that Kind of stuff that happens in America, even other countries around the world. It's horrible. What China is doing is next level. It's a whole different thing. So there's kind of two circumstances that have to be able to happen. One is you have to be able to push massive propaganda into a population which the Chinese Communist Party is able to do, okay? And number two, you have to be able to incarcerate a massive group of people. And over the decades in communist China, there's always been these black classes. There's always some group that's marked as the enemy of the state. Landowners at first, because they wanted to take their land, right? In 89 Tiananmen Square massacre was Students 99 it became Falun Gong practitioners. So this was a spiritual discipline. Truthfulness, compassion, forbearance is what these people were practicing. Wildly popular, very grassroots, very bottom up, okay? And it's 70 to 100 million people by government estimate in 1999, bigger than the communist Party. They decided to crush it, okay? It didn't mean kill everybody. Put them into their re education system, break them, break their minds, transform them, right? But these people proved to be very difficult to transform. So they incarcerated a million of them and they pushed this mass propaganda, dehumanizing them. Okay? So this created this unique circumstance where you could have forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience. They started blood typing, tissue typing and organ scanning them. Now why is this important? In an ethical situation, someone actually needs to have a catastrophic accident, motorcycle or a car accident or something. And then they have to match blood type, tissue type and organ because. And that's rare, right? It has to kind of fit our bodies. Reject a random organ, okay? That's a match. But in China now, because of this massive incarceration of Falun Gong practitioners and their typing for tissue and blood, they're pre matched. So the moment someone comes and pays 100 grand, 200 grand for that heart transplant tourism. And there were ads that actually said this back in 2006 when I first started reporting on it. There's already a pre matched donor, a prisoner of conscience and innocent person that's ready to be killed to order. This is why my book is called Killed to Order. Because that's what happens. And this is. It's hard to imagine it sounds like.

David Zier (37:06)

So we're going to go to a break quick, but I got some key questions for you when we come back. We got Patriot Mobile right there.

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David Zier (37:43)

Yeah. So, okay, Robin Cook, that incredible best selling novel Coma, a great movie which

Donald Trump (37:49)

in a big booze old gave me

Jan Jekielek (37:50)

nightmares as a kid actually.

David Zier (37:52)

Yeah, Michael Douglas, prophetic. And that was 50 years ago almost. And then you had the movie the Islands, right, with Scarlett Johansson and Ewan McGregor and they were actually cloning people and harvesting and having backup organs for people. Now part two of my question is for you is we always thought it was the Uyghurs, right? The labor class and the labor encampments in western China. But now you're saying the Fei Lun Gong, which was a mainstream resistant in China, are these people? And how prophetic were those movies?

Jan Jekielek (38:27)

Unbelievable. And this is actually one of the real tragedies of this whole situation, right? Because they built this whole system. It really wasn't. There was no real large scale organ industry in China prior to 2000. They built it between 2000 and 2005, largely on the backs of this massive incarcerated group of Falun Gong practitioners. But then nobody does anything about it for like 10 or 15 years. And they say, hey, we can add another group. They have this strategically important region in the northwest of China, Xinjiang province. Okay. So they start dehumanizing the Uyghurs. They already had been dehumanizing them. They add them, they incarcerate millions of them. Actually there, there's even people being blood typed and tissue type in their homes because the whole region is run basically like a labor camp. So they added them as a second group. And actually I'll mention this. I've been seeing dehumanizing rhetoric pushed out at increased quantity against Christians. Recently I actually talked to my friend Bob Fu from China Aid. He works on helping persecuted Christians. I saw it anecdotally. He said, absolutely, this is happening. I'm not saying I know for sure that Christians will be the next group, but I know that this dehumanizing rhetoric, making demonizing people is central to making this happen.

Bo Davidson (39:40)

Where are the human rights groups, watch groups on this? Where is the accountability? Where does the United States stand against this? What is actually happening to combat this

Jan Jekielek (39:50)

in terms of, like, response? So most international institutions, it's an important question, just kind of pan this and if anything, like, kind of tacitly reinforced it, but it's kind of supporting the growth of that industry. And it's really. I mean, we could talk a bit about why. I have theories about that, but, I mean, I have a whole chapter in Kill to Order, where basically I talk about how the Chinese Communist Party makes everyone around it complicit people in China, but also outside. Right. You start a financial relationship, and it's a lot harder. Like, Mark Twain has this amazing quote that I always forget. They saying, if you're financially incentivized to not notice something, you might not notice it. Basically. Right. That's. That's part of it. And they took advantage of our greed. We actually train some of these surgeons that are doing this. We provide technology, materials, all sorts of stuff. I mean, we don't need to do that. Right. And in terms of, like, actual action, it's this year and last year that it's been transformative. And that's part of the reason for the book, okay. Is that there's two pieces of federal legislation passed the House near unanimously. Right. To tackle this at the state level. Six states have passed legislation in the last few years. At the grassroots level, the Rotary Club has gotten involved, and there actually is a whole group of Rotarians that's actively trying to end this. So there's a lot going on in terms of people actually trying to make a difference, shift things.

David Zier (41:19)

John, we're going to wind up the interview in a minute, but I wanted to ask you, what about Trump's visit with President Xi? Do you think that human rights abuses are going to come up in those conversations? And there's so many other issues out there.

Jan Jekielek (41:36)

Right.

David Zier (41:37)

That could take precedence?

Jan Jekielek (41:39)

See, I think President Trump has a unique opportunity. I know he doesn't want to publicly. He tends to always say, president Xi is my friend and so forth. He also knows that President Xi was involved in costing him the last election, I might add. So he knows that.

David Zier (41:53)

Okay.

Jan Jekielek (41:54)

But what he could say privately, for example, right. Is do you really want to have the legacy of forced organ harvesting at sky from prisoners of conscience, 60 to 90,000 transplanters a year, on your record? I would argue that the answer is no. Right. Publicly would be even better. I can't kind of. The president has his own ideas on how he's going to basically try to deal with the ccp, but I believe he is trying very hard to do that.

Bo Davidson (42:20)

To follow up also on the thing you just answered a moment ago about response, if you talk about financial incentives and why some people might be incentivized not to do it, talk about that in relationship with COVID and the Wuhan Institute of Virology and how much financial incentive the United States government had with China in order to make that possible because that kind of ties into it too, does it not? That there's a financial interest at stake. Why there wouldn't be pressure on the Wuhan Institute of Virology to not allow something like that to happen to have gain of function research. Is that accurate?

Jan Jekielek (42:46)

Well, you know, there was this actually epoch times back in the day where I'm the senior editor, was founded to challenge a crazy narrative. We knew it was crazy. The narrative was we're liberalizing China. It was the Kissinger Doctrine. We're liberalizing China by pushing massive cash into the system by some estimates. Okay, we know Apple alone from this amazing book. Apple in China was putting in more than the Marshall Plan for Europe's worth of investment into communist China annually. And we also know that they built these massive financial relationships through this like 955 issue back in the day, everyone believed that by putting massive cash into China where they were, they were going to liberalize. We knew they weren't liberalizing, but that's a different. So, so essentially China, communist China co opted America to build the world's biggest dictatorship. And all, all of these. And actually this issue is the perfect lens, I think, to understand how they work. And like it's just astonishing how much blood, well, treasure, money, IP all of that has been transferred.

David Zier (43:52)

So the communists always have the elitist get the body parts first or the services first or the limos and the cars first.

Donald Trump (44:02)

Right.

David Zier (44:02)

And do you think something like that is going on in China? We only have about a minute.

Jan Jekielek (44:09)

Do I think the elites are getting it first?

David Zier (44:11)

Right?

Jan Jekielek (44:12)

There's a hot mic moment a little while ago back in September where Xi Jinping and Putin are speaking in Tiananmen Square, gets caught on Chinese Central Television and Putin says to Xi, through continual organ transplantation, perhaps we can achieve immortality. They have this elite longevity project called Project 981. By some estimates, 10 years longer those elites live. I don't know if those are real numbers, but basically they validated the fact that this forced organ harvesting is a central part of that elite longevity project. And of course they have first access. They have unlimited access to organs. This is part of the challenge of stopping it. Of course, it's a 9 billion annual industry by our estimates. But this, if you're super elite, unlimited access to organs forever. Wow. How do we.

Bo Davidson (44:59)

All right, Jan, last question for you. Hypothetically speaking, let's say Jania Kellogg becomes Ambassador. Janna Kellogg to China. You're sitting down in a room with President Xi Jinping. What's the first few things you say to him?

Jan Jekielek (45:12)

I would say in America we have the First Amendment and we protect from government certain core rights. I want you to understand this and seriously consider it for the Chinese people. You can create a beautiful future for China if you do this, if you give people their core rights that they that come from God.

Bo Davidson (45:35)

Amazing. Jan Ye Kellogg, host of American Thought Leaders. He's also got the great book. Could you hold it up again? Yan Killed to Order. It's an amazing book. Talking about Chinese organ harvesting by the ccp. Thank you so much, Jan, for your time today.

David Zier (45:45)

Thanks, John. I'm the New York Times bestseller this.

Jan Jekielek (45:47)

Thank you so much. I know it's crazy.

Bo Davidson (45:49)

I'll be right back.

David Zier (45:50)

Thank you, sir.

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Bo Davidson (46:16)

26. Good to be here in Dallas, Texas. Bo Davidson here with David Zier. We have an esteemed guest that's with us. His name is Janya Kellogg. He's host of American Thought Leaders at the Epoch Times. I used to work with Jan for a couple of years. And what Yan did, I think when I was there is he taught me a lot about what happens within China, the Chinese Communist Party. If there's any group and person that probably knows them extremely well and how nefarious they are, it's Jan. Jan has a best selling book called Kill to Order. We want to get into that with Jan. Jan, first of all, I want to say that a lot of people know the show Squid Game. And I remember watching it, it's a very popular series and there's a scene in it where there's organ harvesting happening in it. And as soon as I saw it, I looked at it because of what I'd known and what I'd read about. I said this is fiction, but it's really not. And it probably exposed a lot of people who just follow entertainment to what's actually going on. So why don't you tell us what is actually happening in China with respect to organ harvesting?

Jan Jekielek (47:07)

So you hear these rumors about, you know, organ trafficking in America and other places, right? I mean, some of it's pretty horrific. Someone wakes up on ice, basically organ removed. All that kind of stuff that happens in America, even other countries around the world, it's horrible. What China is doing is next level. It's a whole different thing. So there's kind of two circumstances that have to be able to happen. One is you have to be able to push massive propaganda into a population, which the Chinese Communist Party is able to do, okay? And number two, you have to be able to incarcerate a massive group of people. And over the decades in communist China, there's always been these black classes. There's always some group that's marked as the enemy of the state. Landowners at first because they wanted to take their land, right? In 89, Tiananmen Square massacre was Students 99. It became Falun Gong practitioners. So this was a spiritual discipline. Truthfulness, compassion, forbearance is what these people were practicing. Wildly popular, very grassroots, very bottom up, okay? And it's 70 to 100 million people by government estimate in 1999, bigger than the communist Party. They decided to crush it, okay? Didn't mean kill everybody. Put them into their re education system. Break them, break their minds, transform them, right? But these people proved to be very difficult to transform. So they incarcerated a million of them and they pushed this mass propaganda dehumanizing them. Okay? So this created this unique circumstance where you could have poor stories, organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience. They started blood typing, tissue typing and organ scanning them. Now why is this important? In an ethical situation, someone actually needs to have a catastrophic accident, motorcycle or a car accident or something. And then they have to match blood type, tissue type and organ because. And that's rare, right? It has to kind of fit our bodies. Reject a random organ, okay? It has to match. But in China now, because of this massive incarceration of Falun Gong practitioners and their typing for tissue and blood, they're pre matched. So the moment someone comes and pays 100 grand, 200 grand for that heart transplant tourism. And there were ads that actually said this back in 2006 when I first started reporting on it, there's already a pre matched donor, a prisoner of conscience and an innocent person that's ready to be killed to order. This is why my book is called Kill to Order, because that's what happens. And this is. It's hard to imagine it sounds like.

David Zier (49:36)

So we're going to go to a break quick, but I got some key questions for you when we come back. We got Patriot Mobile right there.

Bo Davidson (49:44)

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David Zier (50:13)

Yeah. So, okay, Robin Cook, that incredible best selling novel Coma, the great movie with

Jan Jekielek (50:19)

Jonah Big Bujold, gave me nightmares as a kid actually. Yeah, yeah.

David Zier (50:23)

Michael Douglas, prophetic. And that was 50 years ago almost. And then you had the movie the Islands, right, with Scarlett Johansson and Ewan McGregor and they were actually cloning people and harvesting and having backup organs for people. Now part two of my question is for you is we always thought it was the Uyghurs, right? The labor class and the labor encampments in western China. But now you're saying the Fei Lun Gong, which was a mainstream resistant in China, are these people? And how prophetic were those movies?

Jan Jekielek (50:58)

Unbelievable. And this is actually one of the real tragedies of this whole situation, right? Because they built this whole system. It really wasn't. There was no real large scale organ industry in China prior to 2000. They built it between 2000 and 2005 largely on the backs of this massive incarcerated group of Falun Gong practitioners. But then nobody does anything about it for like 10 or 15 years. And they say, hey, we can add another group. They have this strategically important region in the northwest of China, Xinjiang province. Okay. So they start dehumanizing the Uyghurs. They already had been dehumanizing them. They add them, they incarcerate millions of them. Actually there, there's even people being blood typed and tissue type in their homes because the whole region is run basically like a labor camp. So they added them as a second group. And actually I'll mention this, I've been seeing dehumanizing rhetoric pushed out at increased quantity against Christians. Recently, I actually talked to my friend Bob Fu from China Aid. He works on helping persecuted Christians. I saw it anecdotally. He said, absolutely, this is happening. I'm not saying I know for sure that Christians will be the next group, but I know that this dehumanizing rhetoric, making, demonizing people is central to making this happen.

Bo Davidson (52:10)

Where are the human rights groups, watch groups on this? Where is the accountability? Where does the United States stand against this? What is actually happening to combat this

Jan Jekielek (52:20)

in terms of, like, response? So most international institutions, it's an important question, just kind of pan this and if anything, like, kind of tacitly reinforced it, but it's kind of supporting the growth of that industry. And it's really. I mean, we could talk a bit about why. I have theories about that, but I mean, I have a whole chapter in Kill to Order, where basically I talk about how the Chinese Communist Party makes everyone around it complicit people in China, but also outside. Right. You start a financial relationship and it's a lot harder. Like, Mark Twain has this amazing quote that I always forget saying, if you're financially incentivized to not notice something, you might not notice it. Basically. Right? That's part of it. And they took advantage of our greed. We actually train some of these surgeons that are doing this. We provide technology, materials, all sorts of stuff. I mean, we don't need to do that. Right. And in terms of, like, actual action, it's this year and last year that it's been transformative. And that's part of the reason for the book, okay, is that there's two pieces of federal legislation passed the House near unanimously. Right. To tackle this at the state level. Six states have passed legislation in the last few years. At the grassroots level, the Rotary Club has gotten involved, and there actually is a whole group of Rotarians that's actively trying to end this. So there's a lot going on in terms of people actually trying to make a difference, shift things.

David Zier (53:50)

John, we're going to wind up the interview in a minute, but I wanted to ask you, what about Trump's visit with President Xi? Do you think that human rights abuses are going to come up in those conversations? And there's so many other issues out there, right. That could take precedence?

Jan Jekielek (54:09)

See, I think President Trump has a unique opportunity. I know he doesn't want to publicly. He tends to always say, president Xi is my friend and so forth. He also knows that President Xi was involved in costing him the last election. I Might add. So he knows that.

David Zier (54:24)

Okay.

Jan Jekielek (54:24)

But what he could say privately, for example. Right. Is do you really want to have the legacy of forced organ harvesting at scale from prisoners of conscience, 60 to 90,000 transplanters a year on your record? I would argue the answer is no. Right. Publicly would be even better. I can't, kind of. The President has his own ideas on how he's going to basically try to deal with the ccp, but I believe he is trying very hard to do that.

Bo Davidson (54:50)

To follow up also on the thing you just answered a moment ago about response, if you talk about financial incentives and why some people might be incentivized not to do it, talk about that in relationship with COVID and the Wuhan Institute of Virology and how much financial incentive the United States government had with China in order to make that possible. Because that kind of ties into it too, does it not? That there's a financial interest at stake. Why there wouldn't be pressure on the Wuhan Institution Institute of Virology to not allow something like this to happen to have gain of function research? Is that accurate?

Jan Jekielek (55:17)

Well, you know, there was this actually Epoch Times back in the day where I'm the senior editor, was founded to challenge a crazy narrative. We knew it was crazy. The narrative was we're liberalizing China. It was the Kissinger Doctrine. We're liberalizing China by pushing massive cash into the system by some estimates. Okay, we know Apple alone from this amazing book. Apple in China was putting in more than the Marshall Plan for Europe's worth of investment into communist China annually. And we also know that they built these massive financial relationships through this like 955 issue. Back in the day, everyone believed that by putting massive cash into China they were going to liberalize. We knew they weren't liberalizing, but that's a different. So essentially China, Communist China co opted America to build the world's biggest dictatorship. And all of these. And actually this issue is the perfect lens, I think, to understand how they work. And like, it's just astonishing how much blood. Well, treasure, money, ip, all of that has been transferred.

David Zier (56:23)

So the communists always have the elitist get the body parts first or the services first or the limos and the cars first. Right. And. And do you think something like that is going on in China? We only have about a minute.

Jan Jekielek (56:40)

Do I think the elites are getting it first?

David Zier (56:42)

Right.

Jan Jekielek (56:43)

There's a hot mic moment a little while ago back in September where Xi Jinping and Putin are speaking in Tiananmen Square, gets caught on Chinese Central Television and Putin says to Xi, through continual organ transplantation, perhaps we can achieve immortality. They have this elite longevity project called Project 981. By some estimates, 10 years longer those elites live. I don't know if those are real numbers, but basically they validated the fact that this forced organ harvesting is a central part of that elite longevity project. And of course, they have first access. They have unlimited access to organs. This is part of the challenge of stopping it. Of course, it's a 9 billion annual industry by our estimates. But this, if you're a super elite, unlimited access to organs forever. Wow. How do we.

Bo Davidson (57:30)

Yan, last question for you. Hypothetically speaking, let's say Jana Kellogg becomes Ambassador. Janna Kellogg to China. You're sitting down in a room with President Xi Jinping. What's the first few things you say to him?

Jan Jekielek (57:42)

I would say in America, we have the First Amendment and we protect from government certain core rights. I want you to understand this and seriously consider it for the Chinese people. You can create a beautiful future for China if you do this, if you give people their core rights that come from God.

Bo Davidson (58:05)

Amazing. Jan Ye Kellek, host of American Thought Leaders. He's also got the great book. Could you hold it up again? Yan Killed to Order. It's an amazing book. Talking about Chinese organ harvesting by the ccp. Thank you so much, Jan, for your time today.

David Zier (58:15)

Thanks, Jan. On the New York Times PA bestseller this.

Jan Jekielek (58:17)

Thank you so much. I know it's crazy.

Bo Davidson (58:20)

I'll be right back.

David Zier (58:21)

Thank you, sir.

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