DNI RAID CONTROVERSY EXPLODES, SHARIA HEARING, REDISTRICTING WARS | THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW

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Episode Title: DNI Raid Controversy Explodes, Sharia Hearing, Redistricting Wars
Air Date: May 14, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk (iHeartPodcasts)
Notable Guests: Rich Barris, Blake, Amy Mekelburg, Chip Roy, Ryan James Girdusky

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into three major stories dominating American political discourse: the ongoing controversy over a supposed DNI/CIA raid and intelligence suppression, congressional hearings on Sharia Law and the Islamification of America, and the current state and future implications of redistricting battles. Joining Charlie Kirk are political analyst Rich Barris, historian Blake, activist Amy Mekelburg, Congressman Chip Roy, and elections expert Ryan Girdusky for passionate, unfiltered analysis from a populist-conservative perspective.

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1. US–China Relations: The Thucydides Trap and the Taiwan Flashpoint

Timestamps: [00:55–14:12], [17:44–24:24], [27:04–32:44]

Key Points

• Historic Ties: America’s relationship with China traced back to 1784, now at a world-historic crossroads.
• Recent Developments: President Trump’s meeting with Xi Jinping focuses on trade (beef, beans, Boeing), fentanyl, Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and especially Taiwan.
• Thucydides Trap: The show unpacks the ancient Greek concept that when a rising power threatens an established hegemon, war is likely.
  • Quote:
    "Professor Allison identified 16 times in history that a rising power threatened to displace a ruling one. And ... 12 of the 16 rivalries end in kinetic conflict war." — Charlie Kirk [11:27]
  • Xi’s Warning: Xi Jinping openly references the Thucydides Trap, signalling China’s intention to be regarded as America’s peer and warning on Taiwan.
  • Quote:
    "Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides Trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations? Can we meet global challenges together...?" — Xi Jinping, read by Amy Mekelburg [27:04]
• Taiwan Flashpoint:
  • Strategic value of Taiwan’s semiconductor industry (TSMC controls 90% of advanced chips).
  • Taiwan’s history as the ROC and the psychological centrality of reunification to China.
  • Tension over semiconductor exports (Nvidia, US-Chinese trade) and the risks of entanglement.

Notable Analysis

• Blake: Explains Thucydides Trap with historical parallels and the psychological drivers for both powers [08:13–12:52].
• Rich Barris: "For Xi Jinping to say that out loud is bad. It's not good... This is just—if you're an international relations theorist, it's exactly what you have not wanted to hear for many, many years." [27:43]

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2. DNI/CIA 'Raid' Controversy and Deep State Distrust

Timestamps: [32:44–39:03], [40:28–44:14], [37:05–38:06]

Key Points

• The Incident: Initial viral rumors of a “CIA raid” at DNI Tulsi Gabbard’s office regarding JFK and MK Ultra files were debunked—turns out files were removed but not raided.
• Political Reactions/Confusion:
  • Rep. Anna Paulina Luna clarified she reported the files’ transfer, not a raid; the controversy stems from ongoing battles over intelligence transparency, especially declassification orders regarding Cold War-era operations.
• Persistent Government Distrust:
  • Deep skepticism about CIA “cleanups” and removals, given historical precedents (CIA actions against Dianne Feinstein’s office, destruction of most MK Ultra files).
  • Quote:
    "Something in your country is secret for more than 60 years and they can't release it. You don't live in a normal democracy." — Blake [35:39]

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3. Sharia Law Hearings and the Islamification Debate

Timestamps: [51:42–59:01], [60:32–68:49]

Key Points

• Congressional Hearing Recap:
  • Hearing led by Chip Roy (candidate for TX Attorney General) aims to declare Islam (specifically Sharia) incompatible with Western constitutional values.
  • Testimony paints Islam as a “hostile, totalitarian ideology,” citing demographic changes following decades of immigration.
  • Quote:
    "Islam is a hostile, totalitarian political ideology using our freedoms to destroy us. To every non-Muslim, it offers three—convert, submit or die." — Amy Mekelburg [55:01]
  • Congressman Roy argues for moratorium on immigration from Muslim-majority countries and asserts the US is a Christian nation at its ideological core.
  • Tension with First Amendment protections; debate on balancing religious liberty with the threat perceived from Sharia advocacy.

Notable Moments

• Clip: Teenage student Hunter Lopez confronts Jamie Raskin, invoking Christian Founding Fathers and constitutional principles [04:41–05:00].
• Mekelburg’s Testimony: Description of “parallel infrastructure” being built across the US [55:01].
• Chip Roy: "I'm afraid of losing America." [52:20]
  • "The biggest thing we have to do is to acknowledge that we are, in fact a Christian nation built on Judeo-Christian principles…It is the glue that holds us together. And the reason our country is fraying is because we're moving away from our bound to faith." [57:10–58:00]

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4. Redistricting: The Ground War for the US House

Timestamps: [71:58–80:45]

Key Points

• Recent Setbacks: Republican-lead states in the deep South have stumbled or failed to pursue maximal redistricting gains, “leaving seats on the table.”
  • Quote:
    "It's a little unfortunate I gotta say. It's frustrating to be a part of a political movement that you have to share with a bunch of southern country club Republicans that don't understand what's at stake here." — Charlie Kirk [73:47]
• State breakdown: Developments in Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Maryland.
  • Net positive for GOP will be 2–3 seats, not the 5+ some expected.
• Long-Term Impact:
  • The 2030 Census will shift even more power to Sun Belt & red states as population moves.
  • The fate of House majorities will be determined by razor-thin margins; every seat counts.
  • Quote:
    "It depends on what you classify as a toss up...Republicans need to probably win half of all the toss of seats to maintain the House majority, which is much better position they were in even just a few months ago." — Ryan Girdusky [74:19]

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5. Special Segment: "Annexing Venezuela"—Satirical Electoral Math

Timestamps: [83:35–89:35]

Key Points

• Satirical Thought Exercise:
  • What if Venezuela becomes the 51st US state? Would have Texas-sized electoral weight and shift dozens of congressional seats.
  • However, its politics would likely be chaotic, poverty-ridden, and susceptible to vote-buying.
  • Quote:
    "To get 38 new congressmen and have a third be all squad members, that's not a great deal. Especially when you're taking congressmen from Alabama, from Ohio, from Pennsylvania..." — Ryan Girdusky [86:20]
  • Satirical, but reflective of wider anxieties about demographic and cultural change.
  • "How many more Bad Bunnies could we get out of Venezuela? That’s really the question..." — Charlie Kirk [89:35]

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• Xi Jinping on US–China relations (via Amy Mekelburg):
  "Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides Trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations?" [27:04]

• Rich Barris on the significance of Xi’s reference to Thucydides:
  "For Xi Jinping to say that out loud is bad. It's not good... It's exactly what you have not wanted to hear for many, many years." [27:43]

• Chip Roy on Christian roots and Sharia threat:
  "We are, in fact, a Christian nation built on Judeo-Christian principles. ... It is the glue that holds us together. And the reason our country is fraying is because we're moving away from our bound to faith." [57:10–58:00]

• Amy Mekelburg on Islam in America:
  "Islam is a hostile, totalitarian political ideology using our freedoms to destroy us. To every non-Muslim, it offers three—convert, submit or die. It does not stop until every court, every school and every government on earth is under Sharia." [55:01]

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Key Takeaways

• Great Power Competition: US and China are on a collision course; Taiwan is the central flashpoint, and both sides are preparing for high-stakes confrontation, even as they talk trade and diplomacy.
• Deep State Skepticism: Rumors and reality blur in the world of intelligence, fueling deep populist distrust—even when viral stories prove exaggerated.
• Islam and the Constitution: New right-wing efforts in Texas and Congress aim to frame Islam as a political rather than a religious challenge, with legal and cultural battles ahead.
• Redistricting’s Importance: Control of the House hangs by a thread; small state policy differences have outsized national impact.
• Demography and Destiny: The show closes by underlining how population trends, migration, and the census will shape future American political power—sometimes through tongue-in-cheek hypotheticals (like annexing Venezuela).

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Listener Utility

This episode arms listeners with background and analysis on foundational geopolitical and domestic fights—US-China relations, Trump policy, redistricting implications, religious contention in public life, and congressional math. It’s a must-listen for those who want to understand how today’s political narratives will influence coming elections and the broader trajectory of America.

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Rich Barris]

The relationship between the American and Chinese

[Charlie Kirk]

people goes all the way back to

[Rich Barris]

America's founding, the first American council to China. Samuel Shah arrived on the first American trading ship to reach these shores in 1784. The Chinese merchants had a name for the Americans. They called their visions the New People.

[Charlie Kirk]

Two and a half centuries later, that

[Rich Barris]

first connection has grown into one of the most consequential relationships in world history.

[Amy Mekelburg]

We just got a readout from the White House on this big bilateral meeting between the two presidents. They talked about expanding market access for American businesses into China. Now, the Chinese purchases of American agricultural products was also something that was brought up in these discussions. And President Xi expressed interest in purchasing more American oil. Both countries agree that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. There was really nothing in there that said that China was going to help pressure Iran in any way. This is a not so thinly veiled warning from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign affairs spokeswoman on Taiwan. President Xi stressed to President Trump that the Taiwan question is the most important issue in China US Relations. If it is handled properly, the bilateral relationship will enjoy overall stability.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Democrats, or as I call the

[Rich Barris]

Democrats because they are dumb in so many ways, they've redistricted for years and now we took our shot and it looks like we're going to pick up

[Charlie Kirk]

a lot of seats.

[Rich Barris]

And that's a good thing, Mr. President. That's a good thing. We want voters to have their choice.

[Charlie Kirk]

We want fair voting. We want fair elections. The Democrats have been cheating on elections

[Rich Barris]

for many years and all we're doing is winning.

[Terrance Bates]

This is equivalent to a second civil war. We're going to have to get our act together, as everybody's saying. We're going to have to resist with

[Charlie Kirk]

every fiber in our body.

[Amy Mekelburg]

Jeffries and his allies have designed plans for the next two years to push Democratic held states to set aside nonpartisan redistricting rules or gerrymander even more aggressively. And they're willing to put an uncomfortable spotlight on members of their own party to do it. It's Quite literally the Trump playbook. In order to try to get these blue states to change their roles in order to take what is now a fair number of Republican districts and turn them blue.

[Chip Roy]

I believe American citizens are worth protecting. America's Judeo Christian principles upon which this country were founded is worth defending and America's founding principles generally are worth preserving. We must act now to stop Sharia law and the threat that it poses to our nation and our Constitution.

[Blake]

States were never meant to function as passive subdivisions waiting federal permission before defending constitutional orders. Texas is confronting weaponized mass migration, cartel engineered smuggling networks, foreign linked governance structures operating within our communities and systemic failure across the entire immigration enforcement and removal cycle.

[Amy Mekelburg]

Islam is a hostile totalitarian political ideology using our freedoms to destroy us. To every non Muslim it offers three convert, submit or die. It does not stop until every court, every school and every government on earth is under Sharia.

[Rich Barris]

I believe it was 56 of the 57 Declaration of Independent signers were Bible

[Ryan James Gardusky]

believing faith church attending Christians. I believe it was the first original 13 colonies that required a declaration of faith.

[Rich Barris]

So I'm not acknowledging that.

[Chip Roy]

Well, wait a second now you're traversing my territory now Mr. Hunter Lopez, you brought it up. Are you aware that the Constitution of

[Ryan James Gardusky]

the United States does not establish a religion?

[Charlie Kirk]

It forbids it establishing a religion.

[Chip Roy]

Are you aware that doesn't mention God?

[Rich Barris]

So the Declaration of Independence mentions God four times. But what I was going to say

[Charlie Kirk]

is the Declaration of Independence law.

[Chip Roy]

America was founded on the basic concept of individual freedom and self governance under the rule of law, of a just and moral law. As John Adams succinctly put it, our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. And to my colleagues who may conflate critiquing Islam and Sharia as undermining the first amendment rights of Muslims. I remind them of the people do not have protection from imposing a foreign legal system or code that overrides or replaces U.S. civil or criminal law, nor the Constitution.

[Charlie Kirk]

Charlie, Every day there's a battle for your mind raging information coming from every angle with the will to deceive. Fear not, you found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is Thursday, May 14th. We are here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. Welcome Blake. Hello. How we doing this morning?

[Blake]

Oh, we're doing Splendid.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wonderful. Well, we've got a lot of things going on internationally today, of course. President Trump is in China on a much celebrated trip to meet with President Xi. He was greeted with a red carpet. We talked about it yesterday. More and more pomp, more circumstance, more celebrations, lots of, I would say, shows of welcoming. However, underneath the surface, it appears that the fault lines between these two nations are becoming more and more clear. There was a lot of speculation before this trip to China what would be the central fissures or fractures between the two countries. We understood that there's the Iranian war. US Wants to lean on China to pressure Iran to open the strait, to give up its uranium. But what would the Chinese expect in return? Obviously, there's also. They're calling this, by the way, the Boeing, the. It's the three Bs. The Boeing, the beans and the. I'm forgetting one of the others. Bigwigs. Yeah, probably something like that. Oh, beef. Boeing. Beef and beans. Anyways, so there's a lot of trade issues that need to be ironed out, tariffs. There's the fentanyl precursors that are flowing from China to parts of the world where they make fentanyl and try and pour it into our borders. President Trump has done a great job limiting the incoming fentanyl to the United States, but it still remains an ongoing issue. So what are the big fault lines? Well, it's becoming more clear that turns out Taiwan is top of mind for the ccp, and Xi is offering a warning on Taiwan as he and President Trump strike a positive note. But underlying this, it's very negative. Now, what is Thucydides? Thucydides. I almost got it. Thucydides traps there. It is Thucydides. It's an ancient reference to the Peloponnesian wars in ancient Greece. And Blake, being our resident historian, is gonna break it down. But it was a term coined by Harvard academic. Yeah. Graham Allison, in about 2011.

[Blake]

But it's a lot older than that.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a lot older than that. But here's what's interesting. China has been referencing it. Blake, so since as early as 2014.

[Blake]

Yes. Well, so China, at least. China at least does read Western history, Western thought. A lot of their leaders are certainly more educated in our history than most of us are in Chinese history, which

[Charlie Kirk]

is common around the world. I will.

[Blake]

Common around the world.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it does.

[Blake]

It is revealing. China has. We should just be frank. China is authoritarian, but it does mean most people who rise to the top are. Are very smart in a way that doesn't always happen in the US with us appointing people to things and all, all of that. But Thucydides Trap. So that's a reference to ancient Greek historian Thucydides. If you've heard of him at all. You maybe picked him up in a college course about political science. He wrote. He wrote not the first historical text, but probably the first one. That first one on a. That's really scholarly, that reads like. And academic history you might read today. And he wrote it about the Peloponnesian War. It's a war between ancient Greece, the city of Athens, and Sparta. If you've seen the movie 300, it's those guys. And they fought a war for dominance of Greece. And the reason we have a thing called the Thucydides Trap in his history, Thucydides theorizes that the cause of the war was that Athens was becoming more and more powerful. It was becoming the most powerful city in Greece. And so Sparta feared this. And so they declared war to stop Athens before they became too powerful. And they were successful. They actually won that war. Now, the idea is that this recurs throughout history. And our biggest, most cataclysmic wars are between a rising power and then the power that they are threatening to supplant, which is the ruling power that is frightened into acting before it is too late. And so if you want a classic example of this, the one people point to is World War I. World War I was Germany as leader of the Central Powers. And they fought against France, Russia, and most notably, Britain. Britain was the most powerful country in the world. They had the biggest empire. And the idea is Britain was afraid of Germany because Germany was getting colonies. Germany had. Was getting a bigger economy. Germany was building a giant navy that could threaten the Royal Navy. And so in Germany and Britain at this time, they actually had a big fear. One of the most popular genres of literature was invasion literature, where Germany, or a country that resembles Germany but won't be called Germany, they invade Britain. This is like the romantic chicklet of the day, except they are all reading these books about Germany invading Britain. They were afraid of them. And so they ended up getting dragged into a war with Germany. And tens of, you know, over 10 million people died. Similarly, the idea is, when we fought Japan In World War II, part of this was motivated that Japan was becoming more and more powerful. So FDR and the US were taking steps to contain Japan. Don't let them take over China. Don't let them spread in other places. Japan feels that we're holding them down. So they attack Pearl harbor. We get that war. And there's others, examples throughout history that we don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Professor Allison identified 16 times in history that a rising power threatened to displace a ruling one. And according to his tally, which is subjective, 12 of the 16 rivalries end in kinetic conflict war. In 2015, President Xi did say there is no such thing as the so called thucyth. You just said Thucydides, Thucydides, Thucydides, Thucydides trap in the world, said Mr. Xi in 2015 before an audience that included former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. It was on his mind. Again, I'm reading from the New York Times on Thursday, speaking before Mr. Trump in the Great hall of the People, Mr. Xi said the world had reached a new crossroads. Can China and the United States overcome this trap and establish a new paradigm for relations between great powers? Now, I think it's more interesting that China keeps referencing this as opposed to the United States. It's guaranteed. The United States actors here are very aware of this dynamic, but it's a, it's a, a soft flex because they're basically saying that we are now on par or en route to being on par.

[Blake]

They are saying, yeah, China is 100% when they say this and can we avoid it? They are saying 100%. China is rising and is poised to overtake the United States. Can we allow this to happen peacefully without the United States declaring war on us? That is what China is saying when they say that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now to be clear, there is leverage points on the United States side here that China is very reliant in many ways on energy flowing through the Strait of Hormuz. Now they're the biggest buyer of Iran's energy. So you could say Iran is more reliant on China than China is on Iran. I certainly think that's true. But after you take Venezuela and Iran's energy off the board, it does put pressures on China. Now China also has weak domestic demand. When you think about their economy, they are an export driven economy. If you make energy and production of goods more expensive for China in general, it will drive up costs, it will hurt their economy, and they seem to be probably in the midst of a sluggish, I think you could safely say a sluggish economic situation right now. There's differing accounts of how sluggish that is, how endangered their economy is, but they do seem to be putting specific pressure on Taiwan. They want to exert maximal effort, influence and control over Taiwan, as you said before the show they believe that Taiwan is theirs by right 100%.

[Blake]

They think it is on par. As if someone had yoinked Maine or Washington or Hawaii off of us and they want it back.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

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[Blake]

Well, Taiwan does ascribe to the, you know what Taiwan's actual official name is, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, I do, actually.

[Blake]

Republic of China. Their claim is they are the one

[Charlie Kirk]

government of all of China.

[Blake]

In fact, they claim more territory than the People's Republic does. I think, I think the Republic of China may have I might be wrong here, but I believe they've never recognized the independence of Mongolia. So they still claim Mongolia as part of super China, which it was part of China way back in the day.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, Beijing has never ruled Taiwan, so that's first thing we need to say. They claim it. People break away. They claim it as a breakaway province since the Chinese civil war ended in 1949 when the nationalist government retreated there. So that's kind of the point you're making. So the Nationalist government retreated to Taiwan. They set up shop in Taiwan. They that's why they claim to be the legitimate power over the mainland of China. And I guess to your point, even more territory than the CCP claims for itself. But nevertheless, there's a lot of things that are going on there. It's obviously historical and ideological. It's military. It's a strategic military outpost. Because it sits as the first island chain, it would allow China to project its strength out into the Pacific, which would complicate matters for the US obviously and some of our allies like the Philippines and Japan, it's would secure China's eastern flank if you will, out into the Pacific. So but there's also what we talked about, economic and technological matters to be considered as well. Taiwan is the global leader in semiconductors. TSMC produces approximately 90% of the world's advanced, most advanced chips.

[Blake]

It's really a huge complicator because we've supported Taiwan for 80 years at this point. We've backed up their government against China. But it was most, for most of that time, a lot of that period Taiwan was not that wealthy or at least it was just wealthy in the same way Japan was. And so we supported them for sentimental reasons, for anti communist reasons. But yeah, now over the past 30, 40 years they have become the most important choke point of the world's most important technology which when we say semiconductors, that is microchips, that is the stuff that goes into the chips that you put in your computer, that you put in. It's driving AI, it's driving, it's the stuff you put in missiles to make sure they work correctly. It is the most important technology in the world and the most advanced fabricators that make the best chips the fastest are in Taiwan. And China would love to have them, but they'd also love to have Taiwan for the reasons we mentioned. It was a part of China back when they were an imperial monarchy. They lost it as part of the civil war. They it is hard for us to grasp how psychologically important it is to the Chinese. You grow up learning about this as the rightful Chinese province that was snatched away by these pawns of the west and they want to keep us apart. That's, that's the narrative they're told. And there's self interested reasons for them to push that, but that doesn't mean they don't really believe it.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's safe to say that Taiwan from a tech talent standpoint and obviously this TSMC which produces 90% of the world's most advanced chips, makes Taiwan an incredibly important chess piece on the board of Geopolitics. And I think it's also important to understand that what makes Taiwan so powerful in this respect. Yeah. And you'll see there US clears H200 chip sales to 10 China firms. And this is a big part of the storyline here. Nvidia's chief CEO Jensen is they picked him up in Alaska en route to China. So they picked him up there and he's flying with them. He's looking to secure these big deals. I don't love this candidly, because President Trump is surrounding himself with people that have self interests in expanding the market in China. President Trump is acting as their chief salesman and trying to open up markets for the US firms. Obviously that's important because we opened up the US market to China for 25 years and got absolutely ravaged by it. Okay, we got our industrial base hollowed out. What did we get for. We got a bunch of cheap goods, plastic, rubber, crap that ends up in the, in the trash, in the waste bin. So we don't, we gotta open up China for sure. But there's so many strings attached that I don't love it. And one of them is that you've got people like Nvidia CEO who has self interest in China. Now the H200 is the second gen. It's an older chip that also might be a slightly degraded version of it. So you get them hooked on our chips so that they don't produce their own or don't get more incentivized to invade Taiwan and take it over. Now we have a TSMC production facility, a chip making facility here in Arizona that was built this massive, massive thing. If you drive out to Lake Pleasant, you'll see it out in the distance. But what I've been told by people in the space is that yeah, we can build the facility here, but we don't have the tech talent, we don't have the same type of people. There's something unique about Taiwanese people that seem to be uniquely gifted at making these chips. They don't have social lives, they don't take time off. You know, they just make chips all day long. And it's hard to replicate that type of technology and that production capacity domestically here in the United States. So while we do have some chip making abilities in the United States, it doesn't match Taiwan's. Taiwan's has the top, top chips. Okay, so now it complicates everything, which now it makes a lot of sense why China is putting maximal pressure on this particular fault line. So here's the big stakes. We'll boil it down for you just like this. China is probably willing to help us with Iran if we're willing to change our diplomatic posture to Taiwan. And I don't think we're willing or ready to do that just yet. Lots of high stake poker going on in China. We're going to keep our eye on it. Rich Barish joins us next. Forging an all new greatest American Generation. It's the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, I have an actual question for the audience. Char freedom@charlie kirk.com. how much time do you spend on your phone every day? I think that's an interesting question. How much time do you spend looking at your phone every day?

[Blake]

Terrifying amount.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a terrifying amount. I'm sure. I want you to be honest. I want to know how much time I think they have these little screen. I bet I spend like 10 hours a day on my phone. Like it's that bad. Maybe, maybe eight. But I mean I'm also on the computer. I mean, listen, I have to do it for work. I'm constantly consuming content. Sort of the day job. But I'm curious, how much do you spend on your time? The reason I bring it up is because Patriot Mobile, great partner of the show, they can help you get on the right plan that will actually help save the country. And what I mean by that is every dollar you spend on your cell phone provider is a dollar that's probably going to woke up crap like LGBTQIA plus whatever. It's probably going to BLM. It's probably going to NGOs that are trying to bring in illegals. Probably going to Sharia court. Somehow I'm sure they're finding a way to funnel the money into that way. Never know. There's no end to the diabolical nature of woke corporate America. That's why you gotta switch to Patriot Mobile. They're in the fight with us. They are on the front lines. They are activists. This is not just a company, this is an activist organization and they, they fund that. When you sign up for the cell phone service that you already use and already love, they have access to all three major US carriers, 100% US based customer support. You get unlimited data plans, mobile hotspots, international roaming, all the things. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. They even have a buyout feature if you're still under some contract with one of the other guys. So take a stand today. Support what Glenn and Jenny Story are doing at Patriot Mobile. Go to patriot mobile.com Charlie that's patriot mobile.com Charl Charlie or call 972 Patriot. Just dial it right now. 972 Patriot. Use the promo code Charlie for a free month of service. That's patriotmobile.com Charlie. Joining us now is Rich Barris Big data poll and he's the author of a new book by the way, called Burn it what the Polls say Young Americans Really Want. Welcome back to the show, Rich.

[Rich Barris]

Oh, pull the book. Shout out, brother. Thanks for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I appreciate it.

[Rich Barris]

Thanks for having me, as always. Yeah, people definitely should go out and buy that book.

[Charlie Kirk]

Andrew, I, you know, I was inspired to, you know, promo your book, Rich, because I just saw your tweet where you're. You're talking about books on China and war and conflict that people should be reviewing. It almost looked like you were attacking me, but I know better than that, Rich. We're just about to have you on the show. I knew you fired it off quickly, but you're absolutely right. People need to get educated on the history of war. I'm going to play this clip because I haven't. This is Xi on The Thucydides trap. 19.

[Amy Mekelburg]

The whole world is watching our meeting. Currently, transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe, and the international situation is fluid and turbulent. The world has come to a new crossroads. Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides Trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations? Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world?

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so, Rich, before we get onto this CIA story that I gotta cover, what's your take on what you're watching?

[Rich Barris]

Well, I about fell out when I heard that. That's not good to hear that. And for people who don't know what it is, Graham Allison popularized the term the Thucydides Trap. I actually, on that tweet that you were just referencing, I actually told people to read the Origins of the Origins of Major War by Dale Copeland, who wrote before Graham did. But the bottom line is it speaks to an emerging power. The situation in the international system, when an emerging power rises to replace and displace the existing hegemon. And Graham looked at 16 case studies. Copeland looks at more modern liberal nation state, which is interesting as well. But it usually leads to great power conflict. And for Xi Jinping to say that out loud is bad. It's not good. Because for many, many years, the Chinese have always tried to tell the United States, we're actually not going to do that. We don't. We're not interested in that. And this time, what he said is, this is on you. You know, the current situation that we're in right now. He said, can the U.S. avoid the. The trap? Guys, it's a reference to the Peloponnesian War. This is just. It's exactly. If you're an international relations theorist, it's exactly what you have not wanted to hear for many, many years. Mearsheimer's Written about it. Eh, Car is another one. I, I told people to go read. I mean, I'm over here pitching other books except for my own. Right. But it's true. You have to get you. What just came out of his mouth is so important. For many, many years, Americans in the foreign policy blob have tried to tackle an international system that's in their mind. And let's say this is the way it works, the world works. And then you have liberal internationalists and neocons who have been arguing, no, we're in a post history era and this is something new. And we're going to somehow be exempt from the laws of nature. We're going to be exempt from the, the law laws of the international system. And realists who have been right for the last 25, 30 years more since the end of history, you know, they're taking victory laps, you know, one after the other recently. So to hear Xi Jinping say this is, is bad, it's very bad news.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and he did bring it up as early as 2014 and in 2015 he said there is no such thing. But I think what you're getting at here is China is asserting themselves as our equality. He's, they're asserting themselves as, as, as our equal.

[Rich Barris]

We're Athens, baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

Excuse me.

[Rich Barris]

That's what he's saying.

[Charlie Kirk]

And, and he's basically saying, don't come on our front porch and bully us around because, you know, there's the two of us now and you got to deal with the reality.

[Blake]

He has a point. I mean, it's for a lot as, as you said, for a long time it was. China is rising. But don't worry about it. We're not trying to take your stuff. We just want to be rich and powerful. And now, yeah, they are more equal. We should, we should be frank about this. We should not be in denial about this. If go look around your house at the things that are in it. Chances are a lot of them were made in China. Especially look at anything advanced. Look at your computers. Look at the parts in them. They're made in China. Significantly, they can, if you're worried about military stuff, they can make missiles faster than we can, they can make ships faster than we can.

[Charlie Kirk]

And they got one point whatever billion people.

[Blake]

Yeah, they have four times our population.

[Charlie Kirk]

They are an aging population. They do have domestic economic concerns, they have energy concerns. And by the way, we have successfully, under the Trump administration, I would say, blunted their rare earth mineral dominance. It still exists. We're not all the Way there. But we have made strides in that where they can't choke us off from rare earths, like they could still got to make more gains there. So. So it's both. And I think President Trump is a realist. I think we need to be frank about it. What we want out of this is we want them to buy our soybeans like they said they were going to. We want them to fill some of these trade obligations for the. So the farmers are looking at this. We want them to buy Boeing planes, we want them to help get us the uranium out of Iran and then help us open up the Strait of Hormuz. All these things are doable. But if the price of admission for all those things is you got to let us take over Taiwan, that ain't gonna happen currently. So we might be at a stalemate. And by the way, I just wanna make one final point here before we move on to the CIA story. Rich, this is the first of about three meetings. So don't expect this huge accords to be reached at this meeting. This is sort of an opening act. All right, everybody just hold their horses, let this process play out. Let me just play this clip. Cuz this happened last night and I actually tweeted it and you know, I saw that. Yeah, so here we go, I'll play it. This is a. It was a breaking news story last night on Jesse Wat. He since deleted it. Sat 20 just in.

[Rich Barris]

John. The CIA just raided Tulsi Gabbard's office. Agents hauled out dozens of boxes files on the JFK assassination and MK Ultra,

[Charlie Kirk]

the CIA mind control operation which she

[Rich Barris]

was in the process of declassifying.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so this was obviously, I mean the tweet when I tweeted it, I'm not trying to, you know, mention my Twitter or something here, but it went viral really quickly. It's since been community noted, but I got contacted by friends, they were like, hey, here's a new statement from DNI spokesman. Spokeswoman Olivia Coleman said this is false. The CIA did not raid DNI's office. And then essentially a lot of this originated with Congresswoman Annapolina Luna, who was scheduled to come on this show today but then had to cancel because she is actually at the CIA. I guess she's meeting with the CIA currently. She's tweeted that out. That's public. So the point is she had gone on with Katie Pavlich on NewsNation talking about this. Not, not raid. Now that we're told. And actually it sounds like the CIA took These boxes a while ago. It was not a raid. The DNI sort of oversees all the intel agencies so that it. None of it made sense. Actually, when you kind of break it

[Blake]

down, she could just tell them to not do that.

[Charlie Kirk]

In theory, she could just. Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard should have just been able to say, you can't take these box. Something else obviously was going on. I'm being told this didn't happen the way that it was originally reported. And as I mentioned, Jesse Waters has taken down his show's tweet and I think he just got out over his skis. This does seem related to some of the testimony that we heard yesterday regarding Anthony Fauci. I think the CIA is not happy about this quote, unquote whistleblower. There's a lot of disagreement about the nature of this person who testified. Rich, tell us what you know.

[Rich Barris]

Look, here's what I know, all right? Outside of what you just said, which is the same thing I'm hearing. However, Andrew, you know what bothers me? It always looks like with the CIA, there's always this, like, little caveat in the back of my mind because there have been these identical stories and they have played out very similar in the past, only to later find out that everybody kind of circled the wagons and came together and said, oh, well, it's not really like that. But then it was right. So I, I'm always, you know, I'm going on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rich, I agree with you. Something's going on. They went and took these MK Ultra boxes and the JFK assassination files. That should all just be released. It should remind President Trump has ordered it to be released. So what is the delay? I completely agree, but there's obviously some sort of disagreement and everybody's saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not blow this up into some huge major national news story. It's a little too late for that, cuz. I agree with you, Rich. Something weird is happening.

[Blake]

Something in your country is secret for more than 60 years and they can't release it. You don't live in a normal democracy.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Ryan James Gardusky]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the why Refi studios here in Phoenix, Arizona. Just to put a final point on the CIA story, Rich, so Rep. Annapolina Luna says heading to the CIA with Rep. Burleson Eric Burleson to see the files in question taken from odni. So again, and apparently these files were taken a while ago. They, she was tweeting last night that they were saying you have to preserve these documents. They've been ordered released and declassified. And to her credit, she never said that there was a raid. If you watch the clip back, the original clip in question from Katie Pavlich, she said that they were taken and it made it seem like they were taken, you know, that yesterday. And it was a big, big to do. Apparently this was a more orderly situation. She's contesting that people are misrepresenting what she said. So I just, I just want to make a final point on that. It sounds like something weird's going on. But to be fair to Congresswoman Polina, Ana Polina Luna, she didn't say there was a raid.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, I just want to a couple of things. One is the CIA has done this before. They didn't kick in Dianne Feinstein's office door either. But we found out later that they did break in and take a bunch of stuff that was related to her investigation into torture or enhanced interrogation. Right. And so we've seen this. I'm sure they weren't taken last night. I'm sure they were taken the moment Donald Trump signed that order or they got wind that he was going to sign that order. I mean, this is what I suspect in the back of my mind, I suspect, and here I often say that the Republican women in Congress have the bigger, you know, than Republican men. They have the, they have spine. They fight and I'll be honest. I trust Representative Luna. I do. I also trust DNI Gap. I do. But the problem is Luna's a Representative. Gabbard is the head of an intelligence. And, you know, it's no secret the People's Pundit loves him some Gabbard. All right, so I'm not saying that she's, like, covering for anything here, but there is a bit of a song and dance.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, she has to. She has to play within the system that she exists. That's right. Yeah. And if she's coming through, like knocking, knocking the CIA, that's not going to be taken well. And she's not going to be long for the DC world, so she's got to play the game. We understand that. But something's going on here. And just one other point on the MK Ultra files, most of these were destroyed. There's an estimated 15% of those files that are still in existence. This is what she, DNI Gabbard is tasked with declassifying. And obviously, MK Ultra was brainwashing tactics that were experimented on by the intel community in San Francisco, in villages in Europe, you know, where they laced the bakery with lsd. It's all kinds of crazy stuff. And, you know, the American people do deserve to get clarity on what our intel operatives were actually doing. So we want to see these things get declassified and released. So we support Congresswoman Luna's efforts there to get them released. Rich, I want to pivot here a little bit and go to this Massey race in Kentucky that is coming down in the final stretch, this primary. There's been polls released that show Massey down. There's on at even. What are you seeing in your polling? And what. What do you expect to take place here?

[Rich Barris]

Well, you know, I don't want to blow the markets up here, you know, like we saw happen with the poll the other day. And I think the market's corrected because I'm going to defend him. Look, this is a difficult race to poll. A lot of people when they get into these GOP primary races, they. They wait boomers so much, Andrew. And this is a great race that underscores Burn it down. What I'm. What I'm arguing with Joshua, and burn it down, which is that the GOP is real danger here. They're governing. They were not elected by a coalition of boomers, and they're governing for a certain kind of boomer and even silent gen, when in 10 years, I mean, the first boomers turn 80 this year, guys, this electorate is going to dramatically change. One thing we have over China is a robust millennial gen block that they do not have. They will be the dominant voting group in the not too distant future. And to just ignore their wishes the way we have has been stupidity. I'm sorry, but Massey's race is a great example of this. Millennials are going for Massey three to one, not two to one, not two and a half to one. Three, two, one. And so when you're deciding as a pollster, do I trust randomization here? Am I under, am I underestimating how much younger voting cohorts will make up of the electorate or do I not? And in the case of that one poll, he, he didn't. The problem is, and I've tried to warn other pollsters, Kentucky 4 is not a boomer district. It's traditionally they're about 36, 38% of a competitive primary electorate. That's it. And typically 18 to 29, they could be 18, 10%. In our last poll, we only had him at 6 and Massey was still ahead. What will be key is what the 45 to 64 do. I'm not going to want to give away too much yet, but Massey has a slight lead with them. Galvin leads with 65 plus. And it really will come down to how much of the 44 and under show. Here's why. Again, I would caution people, be careful of what you're looking at. There is no registration growth whatsoever in the 65 +category. In fact, it's been net negative. 45 to 64 is a little bit. So their potential for elasticity, when you're modeling the electorate, it's there, it's not huge. All of the elasticity and uncertainty comes from 44 below. And the reason is, is because literally that's where all of the new registration growth is, particularly among those who are 30 to 44 and have families. And that, what does that mean? Why does that matter? Because when you have families, your primary vote history becomes more robust than it was before you had a family. It's really interesting. So I, I just cautioned some of the other pollsters out there, be careful, because what you, what's going to happen is you may not have given these people enough time. It's literally that they're just, they didn't have enough time to build that robust vote history. So when you're deciding who you want to model in your poll, if you wait them out, you're going to end up like pollsters in 2016 who waited out Trump.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I don't know what you think of Qantas, but just, yeah, it's very close. Qantas, 908 respondents, 48, 48.3% for Gallerin, 43% for Massey, 8% undecided. The 69 respondents who are undecided, 52.2% of them backed Gallran and 20.3% because it would go for Massey. So that, that's one that just came out minutes ago from the Hill. So it's a tight, it was done the days ago.

[Rich Barris]

This is what I want to try to explain to people. And we actually did see a period where there was a little bit of response bias going on with younger, younger cohorts. So if you're on Andrew, if you have to wait up because you didn't talk to enough of them, it creates more uncertainty in your, in your polling.

[Charlie Kirk]

We actually call it Rich. Call it Rich. Who do you think is going to pull out the primary?

[Rich Barris]

Well, the poll will be out tomorrow and then we'll do two updates when the early vote comes in to show them. Listen, I think, Matt, if I say it, I'm literally going to move things before I should. So I'm just.

[Charlie Kirk]

I already heard it. There was an M. Very, there was an M there, Rich.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Very close.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's very close. All right, we're going to see what happens. Okay, we got 30 seconds left. Rich Cornyn, Paxton, Texas. What are you seeing? 30 seconds. Quick.

[Rich Barris]

If Republicans nominate Cornyn, they risk huge depression in November. There's like 30%, 28% of their GOP primary electorate is telling us they won't even bother to show up if John Cornyn is nominated. He has a cap. He has more consistent mail in voters that back him. But he does have a cap. And we've even pulled this. Like, what if Trump endorsed Cornyn? And you know what happens? He goes from 46 to 47. The guy's got a cap. So the only way Paxton loses is if his voters don't show. Up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Up. Paxton's going to win that, wouldn't you say?

[Rich Barris]

I think he's got the edge. Yes, absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rich Barris, burn it down. Check out his book, what Young Voters Really Want. Rich Barris, thank you, my friend. We'll see you again soon. Chip Roy joins us next.

[Terrance Bates]

Welcome back to this real America's Voice news break. Hi, I'm Terrance Bates. Tax day was about a month ago, and for many Americans, tax issues are out of sight and out of mind. That may not be the best way to look at things, though. Tax Network USA can help you Keep things in perspective. Cameron Kinsey from TN usa, joining me now with some things that you may want to consider. Cameron, good morning.

[Amy Mekelburg]

Good morning. Good to be with you, Terrence. Thanks for having me.

[Terrance Bates]

Always good to have you. So for someone who might be dealing with the tax issue, whether it's in the past or currently, what kinds of things do they need to be keeping in mind, what kinds of things do they need to be doing, especially if they owe?

[Amy Mekelburg]

Well, they shouldn't let panic or fear control their life. We see so many people who are calling even after this deadline has passed, and they still don't even know where to start or they're too embarrassed to act. They've, they've seen this just compile over the years, and they don't even know what resources are available. And the truth is, Terence, the IRS does have resources in place, but they're not going to do free advertisement for that. And that is why it's so important to have a professional firm in your corner who has licensed CPAs, tax attorneys, even former IRS agents who know the tax code inside and out and know the exact resources and options available to you. There's so many offers and compromise, hardship status requests, innocent spouse relief just dependent on your case. But the earlier you act, the more options that you're going to have. So again, don't let fear control your life. Get ahead of it. Call a professional. We still uphold that free consultation and that free discovery call for our RAB listeners today as well.

[Terrance Bates]

Cameron, the reality is most people that we're talking to right now owe the irs. If people actually got a refund, they're probably good to go. So what if someone out there owes a little bit more than they expected? They can't afford to pay. Are there options?

[Amy Mekelburg]

Yes. And you don't want to just set up the first payment plan that the IRS offers you without understanding it to the fullest extent because there are structured resolution options available. But you want to approach that as strategically as possible before those penalties and that interest start compounding. So really acting quickly in this scenario gives you that leverage that you need to keep that balance from spiraling.

[Terrance Bates]

You mentioned payment plans. I guess a lot of people probably just assume, okay, well, I'm just going to set up a payment plan and it'll be okay. That's not necessarily the case. They're not always automatically approved, are they?

[Amy Mekelburg]

No, not always. And this is important because the quick automated payment plans can sometimes end up costing you more in the long run because that interest and those penalties continue to stack up. So for larger balances, especially Terrence, it's crucial to just talk to a tax professional, tax attorney, enrolled agent, to structure it properly from the start for you. Because a rust solution can be a very expensive mistake. A lot of people deal with this and most people don't even realize that until they're completely locked into it.

[Terrance Bates]

Unfortunately, yeah, that interest can mount. And there are a lot of people who see the interest mount. You know, they, they filed and they get their number and then realize, you know, after a couple of months, oh, my number is higher, and they just give up. Not the thing to do. Don't file and then not pay.

[Amy Mekelburg]

No, no. And that's exactly right, Terrence. What feels manageable and maybe April, when that deadline was, has passed. It can snowball over time and those penalties start right after the deadline. So that interest compounds daily. What's worse is that people don't realize, again, how quickly that snowballs. That's why, again, I can't stress it enough. Get ahead of it, consult with a tax professional. They're just there to help you. And we have so many free resources available, it would be dumb not to at least talk to somebody and see what your options are. Again, we're on your side, not theirs. We want, you know, less government enforcement for you. We want to keep your hard earned money in your own pocket. And we know how stressful this time can be for every single American, especially actually those like me who don't know the tax code inside and out and maybe don't know all of my options. Again, it's so important to consult with somebody.

[Terrance Bates]

Well, Cameron, you had me at free. You mentioned a free consultation. How does one start that process?

[Amy Mekelburg]

Yes, you can go to our website, tnusa.com rav Again, that's tnusa.com rav or you can reach out to us via our phone line 1-800-9058. Again, that's 1-800-9058000. You can tell them that Terrence or Cameron sent you.

[Terrance Bates]

There you go. Use my name to tell them that Terrence or Cameron sent you. Cameron tends to work a little bit better. They know her a lot better than they know me. Cameron, always good to see you. It's a pleasure.

[Amy Mekelburg]

Thank you, Terrence.

[Terrance Bates]

Absolutely. And once again, folks, the information that you need to contact Tax Network USA is right there at the bottom of your screen. You can go to tnusa.com ralph the telephone number also there on your screen. Go ahead and place a call. And remember that first consultation call is free of charge. So you have nothing to lose. As always. We appreciate you being here with us. Quick break and then we'll get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Rich Barris]

Foreign.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back hour to the Charlie Kirk show is underway. You hear J.D. vance, he is giving a great speech talking about fraud. And as a matter of fact, we have the FTC chair, Andrew Ferguson, who's the who's I guess co chairing that anti fraud task force with the vice president. He's gonna be on the show tomorrow at the top of the show. So stay tuned for that. I'm excited to cover that story in some depth with him because it's one of the most important stories going on in the country. Another story that is making massive headlines is about Sharia law, the Islamification of the United States of America. There was a big hearing in D.C. yesterday that the clips were everywhere. I don't know if you guys saw it was the Sharia Free America why political Islam and Sharia law are incompatible with the US Constitution. This was part two of this of these hearings that was held yesterday. And Chip Roy was leading the charge. He joins us now. Congressman, welcome back to the show.

[Chip Roy]

Great to be with you guys. Hope you're well doing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Doing great, sir. So I saw these clips everywhere, Congressman, and there was just so much going on. There was, you were there, you were making some great points. Brandon Gill was there, this great young kid, Hunter Lopez, who then gets lectured by Jamie Raskin. I want to get into that in a second. There was the Texas Public Policy Foundation's Eamon Blair, Rare Foundations USA founder Amy Meckleburg. You pulled out all the stops here, Congressman. Tell us what you guys were doing and why it was so important.

[Chip Roy]

Well, this goes back to and again, I don't like doing this except you guys appreciate it that the last conversation I have with Charlie was about Islam. And Charlie was one of the few people willing to say, well, needed to be said, which is that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. So the purpose of these hearings is not just to sit there in the minutiae of the law, which is important. Obviously. As someone who wants to be the attorney general of Texas, I'm dramatically concerned about Sharia law and what it means for young women, what it means for equal protection under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, what it means that the arbitration agreements that end run our laws and undermine our civilization for people that are subjugated under Islam. But importantly, it's to elevate this and to highlight the truth. We've imported about five and a half million people from majority Muslim countries since 9 11. That does not count the millions of Muslims that we've imported from non majority countries. It doesn't count the additional people that came in as family members. It does not count the children that have been born in the United States to people that came here, were naturalized or have visas. So we have an exploding population of people who have no desire to assimilate or join the melting pot, but instead are in fact called, as Amy testified to and as Eamonn Blair testified to, that are called to wage jihad against the West. And then you pointed out Marco, who did a fantastic job, Hunter Lopez, the 16 year old student in Wiley High School north of Dallas, who basically schooled Jamie Raskin on the issues involving the questions. And I think, by the way, that Marco was quoting Charlie. He didn't say it because I remember when Charlie gave a great answer to one of these questions about where God is in the Constitution and he said, well, God is four times mentioned in the declaration. And Charlie made the point that our state constitutions before we created the federal government all had references to our Christian faith. And Marco was quoting that directly in arguing with Jamie Raskin, a constitutional law professor that was arguably being schooled by Marco. I was proud to chair the hearing. I called the hearing. I gotta tell you, it takes a lot of work to get people here in Washington to want to take on Islam because they're afraid of being called Islamophobic. I'm afraid of losing America.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, it was such an important hearing. I want to play this clip. I posted it as well and got great feedback on it. This is Rare Foundation USA founder Amy Mekelburg talking about the brutal truths that, as you said, too many are afraid to mention out loud. Clip 3.

[Amy Mekelburg]

Islam is a hostile, totalitarian political ideology using our freedoms to destroy us. To every non Muslim, it offers three convert, submit or die. It does not stop until every court, every school and every government on earth is under Sharia. These networks operate more than 8,000 Islamic nonprofits across America, including 650 and 10 Texas alone. They built a parallel infrastructure as mosques, seminary school, Sharia bank, Sharia court, Sharia clinics, charities, media and political networks they have no plans of assimilating.

[Blake]

Now, Congressman, a thing that we are hearing about this all the time from our listeners. We get a ton of emails about it, we get a ton of calls about it. It obviously fills a lot of people with dread, but we're also aware we bump up against a core part of America's identity. The First Amendment does guarant free exercise. How do we both legally and I think rhetorically negotiate that dilemma? That we're aware we do have freedom of religion. We're obviously very wary of curtailing that because we know how the left would love to attack Christian churches. But we're also aware we. This is not a suicide pact. This is not an amendment that makes us just turn our country into a part of the caliphate. How would you, how do you negotiate that?

[Rich Barris]

Problem

[Chip Roy]

number one, the federal government has to stop importing millions of people from countries where we know they adhere to this ideology and it is a political ideology, and we need to stop doing it. Let's freeze immigration broadly like I suggested under my PAUSE Act. Let's, you know, reform our entire system from top to bottom. That's number one. Number two, we've got to have smart lawyers. And obviously I'm running to be Attorney General of Texas who will go into court and win cases and make the point that this is in fact a political ideology with political goals and motives. Their own imams say it. We've got plenty of video, plenty of evidence. We have memoranda from the Muslim Brotherhood. We have an entire plan laid out by individuals and organizations, the hundreds of organizations that are well funded to drive this agenda, to politically undermine the United States. We have to call that out for what it is. And thirdly, you've got to be able to continue to fight and win on grounds that are, I think, more legalistic about how these things are being developed, Deceptive Trade Practices act and so forth, like Epic City and so forth. But the biggest thing we have to do is to acknowledge that we are, in fact a Christian nation built on Judeo Christian principles. And that while we are very defensive and we should be and must be of the First Amendment, we all believe that the government can't come in and tell you you got to be in church on Sunday or you got to pay this tax or you got to believe this thing. None of us would want that. But we are, in fact, a nation that was bound together by a set of ideals. And at the core of it all was our Christian faith. And if we don't acknowledge that, if we don't remember that it says in God we Trust above speakers chair in the House chamber, that Moses is on the backside of the House chamber looking over us, that we've got the Ten Commandments on the front of the United States Supreme Court, that we absolutely had references to our Creator and to God four times in the Declaration of Independence, and that our founding was built on that you know, our founders were very, very open about how much our, our faith was necessary for this country to work. It is the glue that holds us together. And the reason our country is fraying is because we're moving away from our bound to faith. And number two, we're throwing federalism out the door. You cannot have 330 million people peacefully coexisting when you have conflicting values and faith and when you don't allow local people to make decisions that are best for them under the Constitution. So these are the things I'm trying to fight to do up here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, and it's become a central issue in the campaigns that are right now going on in Texas. And of course, you know that better than anybody, Congressman. We will get to that after this break. I want to take this down home to Texas because it's so important. First, I'm gonna tell you guys about balance of nature. We've been told, you've been told so many times, eat your fruits and veggies. Right. But nobody really explained why. What if I told you that plants have their own nutrition and that it might be better for you than a lot of the processed stuff that you've been adding to youryour diet? If nutrition feels overwhelming, it helps to zoom back out. When you eat whole foods, you're getting what's called phytonutrients, natural compounds that, that your body uses to adjust, repair and respond every single day. Balance of nature takes real produce, runs it through a vacuum cold process that stabilizes those phytonutrients. Their whole health system combines fruits and veggies, fibers and spice, giving you 47 whole food ingredients and their phytonutrients in one simple routine. Their new freeze dried snacks as well go through a similar process. Whole food phytonutrition plus balance of nature helps you fight the good fight. Save over 30% when you subscribe at balanceofnature.com Join hundreds of thousands of customers in one simple routine that's changing their world. You can get an additional 10% off your order by using the promo code Charlie at checkout balanceofnature.com we'll be right back.

[Rich Barris]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We're joined by Chip Roy who is running, running for Attorney General of the great state of Texas. He has been endorsed by Turning Point Action and Charlie absolutely had his back. We're proud to support him. I'm going to play this clip from Charlie. Congressman and Future Attorney General Sat 23.

[Chip Roy]

The spiritual battle is coming to the west and the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life.

[Charlie Kirk]

Life.

[Chip Roy]

And the American way of life is very simple. I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids, allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down, send them to a good school, have a low crime neighborhood, not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school, while also.

[Charlie Kirk]

While also not having them have to

[Chip Roy]

hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's important.

[Chip Roy]

We want the American way of life, which is, by the way, Christendom.

[Charlie Kirk]

Amen.

[Blake]

I never did get him to get Christendom.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

It gives me chills listening to him because it was so clear. It was so morally clear. And so, Congressman, you're running for attorney general in Texas. I've heard from a variety of sources that say that the ads going back and forth, it's like, well, I'm more pro, or this guy's more pro Islam, and that guy's pro. And so it's become very central to what's happening in the primaries right now in Texas. Why do you think that is? I mean, is it just a visceral reaction that Texans are experiencing walking their neighborhoods? There's just a very visible increase in mosques in the Muslim population. What's going on here?

[Chip Roy]

Well, it's an important question, and I really appreciate that quote from Charlie or that clip, because he says it with such moral clarity, like you said. And what we're seeing In Texas is 330 mosques, more mosques being built in Texas than every day than any other state in the union. We've seen a massive explosion in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, in particular, all by design by the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots and its various organizations. And I have to tell you guys that, you know, there are a number of reasons that I'm running for attorney general, not the least of which is my family and the ability to be a husband and father back in Texas rather than traveling back and forth to D.C. but the. But the biggest professional reason is my commitment to what Charlie just said and why this. This issue of stopping the march of Islam is critical to preserving Texas, the crown jewel in the American republic. If we lose Texas, we lose the nation. And right now, we're on a path where Texas is in trouble, and we've got to stand up and protect that American way of life that Charlie just said. And so I'm talking about it, but I'm not just talking about it. I'm doing something about it. I'm holding hearings where I declare affirmatively that Islam is incompatible with the West. And it's not going unnoticed by CARE and a bunch of those that have concerns. But importantly, my opponent has never practiced law. And, and I'm not gonna get into it too much. I don't like to get personal. But you have to know what you're doing. Right? I've run the Attorney General's office. I've been a federal prosecutor. I've been a constitutional lawyer. I've been the chairman of the Constitution subcommittee in Washington Congress. You have to know what you're doing. My opponent introduced legislation last year in the name of religious liberty that would have made it easier for mosque to create Epic City and to create these massive housing enclaves and communities that are Sharia compliant and Islam centric. You've got to be ready for the battle. We are at a point in our history where we're at war. And you have to acknowledge the war if you want to win it. So those of us who have been in there taking the arrows, fighting the good fight every day, that's who you want? Leadership positions like the Attorney General. The most important legal job in the nation for conservatives is Attorney General of Texas. Particularly if we don't have control of the administration. You've got to have someone there who can fight. And this issue of Islam is front and center. There are other things. Securing the border, dealing with criminals on the streets. Charlie just rattled off in that clip, the Marxists, the woke brigade that are all out trying to target our state. All of those things are attacking Texas. We've got to deal with those. And one last point are the corporatists who are trying to come in and they buy up our land and they put data centers in every corner. They want to say, oh, don't have state standards on the AI. We'll have one big federal standard and we'll preempt states. No, we're gonna allow the people to be able to defend our kids from the march of the corporatists as well as the Islamists as well as the Marxists.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it kind of underscores Blake's earlier point that we're up against this religious liberty concept that is central to the American value system. We obviously, our founders created that thinking about, you know, Presbyterian and Anglican and Quakers. They weren't thinking about how do we

[Blake]

overcome these fundamental religious divides.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so you've got to your point, if you're going to fight this on a legal front, Congressman, you have to understand the law. You have to be able to be creative, you have to find workarounds, you have to be able to exert influence power, politically, socially, culturally, in ways that don't undermine our system, but that preserve it. And so you have to understand the technicalities of the law, what you can win on, what you can bring suits on. And so to your point, that is so critical to being able to fight this fight, and by the way, you mentioned the corporatists last time. I think maybe I mentioned this to you that I flew into Dallas, I actually drove three hours up to Oklahoma and it was like one farm after the other after the other getting just like demolished. And just like, candidly, it was really gross to me because it's just all these crappy homes that are being put up in this beautiful farmland. I'm not anti gross growth, but man, there are forces at Texas that are like ripping out the heart and soul of the people that made Texas Texas. And there's gotta be a balance here somewhere because it's just happening so rapidly.

[Chip Roy]

Well, 100%. And I'll bring up a point that's, that's directly related. There's a PAC in California that ran a million dollars of ads against me in the first primary and now they're running hundreds of thousands more now with the stated objective of killing my political career, which by the way, my life isn't going to be defined winning or losing an election. My life is defined in my faith in Christ and my family and serving my country wherever God puts me. I'm putting myself out there to be Attorney General because I think I'm the best man for the job. But this PAC wants to take me out because I was successful in delivering for President Trump repeal of half of the Green New scam subsidies. A year ago I had to threaten taking down the big beautiful bill for a few days to get it, but we got it done. And so now they want to take me out. Now why does that matter? Because all of these corporate cronies that are taking government money, they're using it to buy up land, to put up solar panels and wind farms, they want to use similar kinds of things to go put the data centers in place, all without regard to the homes that people built over centuries in this country who built communities, who built up farms. And I get, I'm with you. I'll say it the same way as you did. I'm not saying I don't want growth. I'm not saying I don't want affordable houses and I'm not saying you can't sell a farm that's in close to Dallas that you can then go build houses on. What I'm saying is what you're saying we need to protect this great nation, this great state. We need to be thoughtful about how we're doing it. We've got to be mindful about having good technologies and good input from local government and citizens. They don't have a bright light in their night sky in a small Texas town and their water isn't getting sucked out and their grid isn't getting drained while the price of electricity goes up. Also, corporations can make a lot of money with a quick sale of private equity in New York.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's exactly.

[Chip Roy]

There has to be a balance here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And by the way, I actually, I actually love the idea of taking dilapidated land or old malls and using that land, you know, but that, that, yeah. Reuse some of the underserved, underutilized land that we already have. Support Chip Roy for Attorney General. He's the man for the job. Congressman, it's great to see you. We'll have you on again soon. God bless you.

[Chip Roy]

Thanks, guys. God bless you guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

Talk to you soon.

[Terrance Bates]

Soon.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're going to talk redistricting next. Don't go anywhere. The hardest working radio show in the business, the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, welcome back, Everybody. Vice President J.D. vance just wrapped up his speech in Bangor, Maine, all about fraud. And again, we're going to have the co chair of the anti Fraud Task force on the show tomorrow morning right at the start of the show. So please check that out. I want to talk to you about Hillsdale College. They got a great new movie coming out about. It's a documentary from Hillsdale Studios, narrated by Tom Selleck that asks the question, how much would you sacrifice in pursuit of freedom? This was a question that our founders had to ask themselves. And they made extraordinary choices and risked their lives, their fortune, of course, their sacred honor, all in the fight for independence. And against all odds, they won. Now, so much of this story has been distorted over the years and it's getting more and more distorted by the wokies. And that's why what Hillsdale has done here, Hillsdale Studios has done, is so important. And you can see the trailer right there if you're watching along with us. It's extraordinarily well done. Like I said, narrated by Tom Selleck. They've put a lot of resources into this, a lot of great scholarship. So, and it's coming out. You can see it in studio or in theater. Sorry, Revolutionary America, Hillsdale Studios film in theaters May 31 through June 2. It's really important, so take your family, take your friends, see the way the history actually played out. Get the real truth about the founding story again in theaters May 31st through June 2nd. Get your tickets by going to Hillsdale Edurevolution. I'll give that to you again, get your tickets for Revolutionary America at Hillsdale Edu Revolution. You don't want to miss this opportunity to see it in the big screen. I promise you that. Hillsdale Edu Revolution Revolution. To locate a theater near you and to buy tickets for Revolutionary America. All right, our next guest is a guy that we just had on recently, but he was so good breaking down the numbers when it came down to comes up with our midterms that I wanted to have him on again because there's been a lot of news that's been going on with the redistricting fight after the Supreme Court ruling relative to the state of Louisiana and how it would impact all the rest of the state states. Annoying news, annoying news. Ryan James Gardusky joins us now. He's got his bio is too long. I'm not even going to get into it. I'm not this time. Maybe on the other side of the break. It's just too much. Too much. Yeah, it's fine. He hosts a show. He's got multiple packs. He's got a substack. Ryan, give us the latest news on the redistricting fights because it was looking like we were going to run the table here and we've had some set.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Well, I actually did a whole episode of this for my podcast, a Numbers game on iHeartradio. The here's what what happened. So in South Carolina, five Republican state senators join all the Democrats to block the redistricting effort in South Carolina. So right now, Tom Claiborne, Jim, sorry, Jim Clayburn seat is safe for him. The governor said he's going to bring it to a special session which would redistrict that one seat in South Carolina. The governors over in Louisiana and Alabama, however, are leaving Democrats with one seat each. As of now, K has been very adamant behind the scenes. I've been hearing that she wants to protect one of the Democratic seats, the black majority seat in Alabama, seven over in Louisiana. The governor of Louisiana is seemingly to he's seemingly trying to settle political scores because certain people who he's not very friendly with are not getting the seat, are not creating a seat that they could possibly run in so that's over in Louisiana. So that'll be still a net net positive of two seats. Florida obviously they just changed four seats but it's in the middle of a heater legal battle. Tennessee did redistrict their one seat. It is also in a legal battle but that's likely to be in favor of Republicans. And Maryland has said they're they're going to open the door to redistricting. The one Republican seat in Maryland and Andy Harris's seat. So Republicans really kind of dropped the ball over in Alabama, Louisiana, oh and I forgot Mississippi, they announced that they are not redistricting this year. They're going to redistrict next year. So that'd be for 2028. That's the loan Democrats credit seat there for Benny Thomas. Governor Brian Kemp surprised everybody saying he, he will redistrict. I'm going to bet that's probably also another one seat but that's also in 2028. So far as 2026 goes, you have one seat in Tennessee, a possibility in South Carolina and two out of Louisiana and Alabama, but it's a net positive 3 instead of many, many more that people expected.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hmm. Well, it's a little unfortunate I gotta say. It's frustrating to be a part of a political movement that you have to share with a bunch of southern country club Republicans that don't understand what's at stake here. Give us the overall math here, Ryan. Where do you see the numbers? So if you had to go Republican strong seats, Democrats strong seats and toss ups, where does this leave us now?

[Ryan James Gardusky]

I think Republicans probably have a 2. If South Carolina does get their redistricting done, which I think they will, the governor seems pretty strong about it. They'll probably be about 210 Republican likely seats and about 200 and maybe seven or eight Democratic seats and then maybe 2019 leaning independent seat, not Independent but toss up seats. It depends on what you classify as a toss up. Definitely the seat in Florida probably is more of a toss up Deputy Watson Schultz seat even though it's now leaning Republican. The seat over in North Carolina where the incumbent congressman has had those allegations of, of, of misconduct with a staffer that could be a toss of eventually. Main second is a very big one. New York's third Congressional district which is the one that's a sleeper race, that's a Trump plus five seat out of Long island, the former George Santos seat, guy named Michael Petrie is running. They are very strong campaign against Tom Suozzi, the Marcy Captor seats Very important over in Ohio. So overall, Republicans need to probably win half of all the toss of seats to maintain the House majority, which is much better position they were in even just a few months ago.

[Charlie Kirk]

So how many? One final question. I want to throw it to Blake. How many seats are we leaving on the board here because of the inaction or the failure to act? Of these southern states, states, how many do we lose?

[Ryan James Gardusky]

At least, at least three. That's on my head. One Mississippi, which will come. Oh, sorry, sorry. More than that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Five.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Two in Georgia, one in Mississippi, one in Louisiana. One Alabama. The Louisiana. Alabama ones are the most egregious ones because it's. The courts just gave them the light they gave me. Okay, Mississippi is hard. They already had their primary. So that's why they're saying we don't know. Brian Kemp is Brian Kemp. He's kind of, you know, he does his own thing. But the ones in Louisiana and Alabama, especially Alabama, seventh and the one in New Orleans for, for, for new, for Louisiana, that is egregious. The Republicans really should have redistricted both those seats to make them Republican seats.

[Blake]

So I guess. How much, how likely do you think it is on the basic situation? We're talking a couple seat worth. A seat here, a seat there. What are the odds this ends up proving decisive for the House itself this fall? Like what sort of majority are we looking either way? Do you think it's likely to come down to two seats either way, or do you think this matters much more going forward after this election?

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Let's say Democrats run the table. It's a Gas prices stay high, the economy doesn't pick up, people are still mad about AI and a bunch of other things in the war. Democrat Hakeem Jeffries will probably have a seven to eight seat majority. So he's basically in the same kind of hell Kevin McCarthy was in. Not only, you know, just two years ago where very little can get done. AOC is very empowered. The squads are empowered. That's kind of the situation they're in. There's just so few toss up seats. We're not looking at a 2018 style election wave anymore. There's just, it's just not the way the math works. If Republicans can win half of the seats available to them, they'll probably end up with the same situation they're in right now, which is a one to two seat majority. Maybe at most, maybe they can win a third, who knows. But there's not a lot. There's really a very little wiggle room either which way? Unless a party kind of blows it out of the water and seats that are likely Republican flip Democrat or likely Democrat flip Republican.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so let's fast forward a little bit, set our sights on the census 2030. How does. How does the population shifts from these blue states into the Sun Belt, primarily a few other states. How does that change the electoral math? Right.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

I mean, it basically if going from 2030 to 2040, if a Republicans can just hold Florida, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, Arizona, Arizona, you don't even have Nevada. Republican will win the presidency every time. They no longer need Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin. They no longer need, you know, they don't need Nevada. They don't need New Hampshire or Minnesota or all the lean Democrat states that are just always out of reach. New Mexico, as long as they keep those, like six Sunbelt states, they, they can't lose the presidency. Georgia's obviously very difficult. North Carolina will be very difficult. Those are very small margins that Republicans have won by, so they'll still be important. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, all the rest of them. But they're not essential to win. The only states are essential to win are the Sunbelt states, plus Ohio.

[Blake]

Something that comes to mind. Maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, but this increasing seeing, let's just call it maximalism, about House seats, where you're seeing states gerrymander to get as many seats as possible, is that going to make the census more important? Because I know in the past the GOP would pick up these seats, but they are often, you know, immigrant groups who. Then you create House seats. And so you might get a Democrat House seat, but a new Republican electoral vote. But now we're just seeing these blue states are. They're shedding a state a seat that they were going to gerrymander to make blue no matter what. And we're gaining a seat that will probably gerrymander to make red no matter what. And so the census is becoming an even bigger deal now than it was just with the presidential stakes.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Yeah, there's obviously some examples where that may not be true. Like if Georgia gets this extra seat, it probably in Atlanta that might be a Democratic seat. You know, if Austin is growing very big and Texas gets four seats, one may be a Democratic seat out of Austin. It will also leave pressure out of the Republican seats not to stretch so thin so. And not to have a dummy mander. That could all be possible. But yes, in large part it is essential because of the 12 seats Democratic states are expected to lose. As of right now, I mean, maybe 10 would be automatic Republican seats and add 10 to 210, the number we have right now as, as a safe or lean Republican. And you're at 220 and you at the House majority number. So, you know, California may be able to knock out one more Republican seat, Illinois knock out one more Republican seat. New York could obviously knock out a bunch. But nonetheless, and yet still, that makes it more important. And another thing that no one's paying attention to, it makes the state legislative elections super important. Republicans have to keep the state Senate in state legislatures in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania to keep those Republican seats, make sure they don't go in full Democratic hands and really start competing in other blue states to try to save some Republicans seats.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's really good analysis there, Ryan. And we're going to turn our attention to the 51st state. It's breaking news that we're going to we got a whole breakdown. I told Ryan to get totally researched up on this. So you're not going to want to miss this next segment. I tell you that. Hang right there, Ryan. We're going to talk Venezuela. In lieu of that, however, it is our 250th birthday and our friends at Lions Defending Freedom are inviting you to commit to five days of prayer for America. Since its founding, America has relied and has been sustained by the prayers of its people, highs and lows. America's have turned to faith in God for wisdom, guidance and strength. And so we Prepare to celebrate 250 years of freedom. ADF is asking believers like you to join me in dedicated prayer for our country. So right now, go to joinadf.com Charlie joinadf.com Charlie to sign up to pray today, you'll get text messages and emails with specific prompts and how to pray. Join ADF.com Charlie to sign up. Or you can text Pray 25083848. That's Pray 25083848. Join them in Praying for America. Please, please do that. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back to the why Refi Studio. Let's talk about why Refi investment really quick. You've heard us endorse why Refi for quite some time now, but if you are an accredited investor, you can earn up to 10.25%, which, you know, Lane on the show explained the maths do math, and he explained it brilliantly. So go back, check out Tuesday's podcast to hear Lane explain how he can accomplish that for you. 10.25% fixed interest rate. You can invest from one to five years or spread out your investment over those terms to best suit your needs. Your interest is calculated daily, it's paid out monthly. They even give you the flexibility to reinvest that interest into the investment vehicle or take it off the board as profit. The choice is yours. They even let you and they make it really easy for you to donate that interest if you have causes, churches, organizations, turning point, whatever you want to do with that money. So maximum flexibility, maximum transparency. These are great people, great patriots, and we are all in with them. For more information, call 87780 and V invest or visit them online at investyrefi.com that's 87780, invest. Or visit them online at investyrefI.com for complete details. Make sure you review their private placement memorandum and scan that QR code right there on your screen to view the disclosures at your leisure. Why refi investing in America's future? Great, great people. All right, so here we go. Ryan, I'm going to play a clip for you and we're going to deal with this, this impending reality. Stop. 5 When I was talking to the

[Chip Roy]

president this morning, it was just before

[Charlie Kirk]

the Oval Office event.

[Chip Roy]

He kind of surprised me a little bit because he said, john, I just

[Charlie Kirk]

want to tell you I'm very serious

[Chip Roy]

about this, so you could talk about this.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm serious about beginning a process to

[Chip Roy]

make Venezuela the 51st state.

[Blake]

All right, Ryan, break it down for us. Dead serious. How many electoral votes is Venezuela going to have in the 28 elections? And is it a swing state? A blue state. A red state.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

So Venezuela would get as many electoral college votes as Texas. Now, I want to remind you something. Even though they, even though we would add two US Senate seats, we would not add any House seats to Congress, they would still have 435 House seats. So a lot of red and blue states would all lose congressmen to go to Venezuela. So Venezuela would have 38 congressmen and they would come from all over the country, including out of red states. So that's a big, big caveat. How do they vote? That's a big question. So Venezuelan dysphoria both in the United States and in Argentina. The two places I looked at were big backers of both President Trump and Javier Milei over in Argentina, the libertarian president of Argentina. They are, though dysphoria are tend to be wealthier than those who live in Venezuela. Venezuela, if it were to come itself state, would have 1/10 the GDP per capita of the state of New Hampshire. It would be more than twice poorer, twice as impoverished as American Samoa. It would have an average of $8,900 per year per person in income. So a generous welfare state is going to sound very alluring to those people. They have not had a free election since they voted for a communist. That, that being said, maybe they learned their lesson, who knows. However, however, there is certainly a very pro communist wing of that country that still exists. So it is not safe to say that they will vote any which way. Given that a lot of people who despise communism have already fled the nation.

[Charlie Kirk]

I was gonna say. So the big thing you gotta think about with Venezuela is that the diaspora as you said that we see in Florida or Argentina, it's selective. That's selective. That is not representative of the people that remained. The people that remained are the poorer, less, well off, off. You said they may have learned their lesson, but they may not have learned their lesson. And that is the difficult thing to gauge here is because we haven't had transparency in Venezuela. We have no idea what that electorate is like. We know that there was accusations with Maduro's last election that it was rigged, that his opponent actually won that election and that they rigged the elections in his favor, so maybe they would vote that way. But I mean, do we have any historical precedent?

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Even under the fair election estimates, Maduro still received 40 something percent of the election. So it wasn't like it was 99 to 1 like the fake election results. Maduro has a sizable level of support, maybe one in three people living in Venezuela. I don't know about you, but to get 38 new congressmen and have a third be all squad members, that's not a great deal. Especially when you're taking congressmen from Alabama, from Ohio, from Pennsylvania, from, from Texas and you're sending them over to Venezuela. Not a really big fan of that idea. Plus also, I mean we've had a very tough time securing our own border with Mexico that has a river and mountains, securing the Venezuelan border from the millions who would easily flock through the jungles into that nation. To be counted in this election would be, would be pandemonium.

[Blake]

Yeah, and you know, obviously we're being a little cheeky here, but I think another thing to keep in mind, we have. America has annexed formerly independent countries. Before we did it with Texas, we did it with Hawaii, but Hawaii had tremendous immigration from the United States. Texas was clearly just founded, settled by Americans who wanted to join the United States. Throughout that period, we've never, we would be annexing a Country that speaks Spanish. Yes, speaks Spanish, has a long history of independence. They have an identity as Venezuelans. And so when we're discussing how that would go politically, they wouldn't. I don't think they'd be thinking what's best for America, because I am now American. They would be thinking, how do I help Venezuela, my country that has perhaps just temporarily attached itself to this country that's decided to be its sugar daddy. And so, for example, in politics, it might just reduce to who's promising us the most money. And I think we all know which party loves to promise people money for doing nothing. The most important.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Yeah, it's important. Remember, Venezuela is poor. The average Venezuelan is poorer than the average Western European after World War II. So what we had to do in World War II to build up Western Europe, we would have to do at a larger scale to build up Venezuela while we are, while we are broke and while Americans really are resenting, one, foreign policy adventurism and two, money not being spent within our own country. So that would probably be very, very dicey. I don't think Donald Trump needs to do this, to make it part of his legacy, to have a wonderful legacy.

[Charlie Kirk]

But what about the oil, Ryan? We could just fund it all with the oil. What say you?

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Yeah, allegedly. But the oil would then be owned by private companies. Are we going to increase taxes on oil? Is that what Trump's going to do? I mean, we're just going to increase tax taxes left and right. We could increase taxes on, on AI and spend a lot and pay for a lot of things, but we don't do that either. Like, they're not going to want it. If Trump has a good friend purchase oil, an oil company in Venezuela, he's not going to push for higher taxes out of Venezuela. It's just not like there's no way that that's going to happen. So, no, it's going to come out of the American tax law. We're going to borrow from China to spend in Venezuela at the increase of the lowering purchasing power of the American dollar for people in red states throughout the country. Country. It's, it's not necessary.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here's my most important question. So we already have one Spanish speaking, you know, territory in Puerto Rico. How many more bad bunnies could we get out of Venezuela? Really? That is really the question that needs to be asked. It's a cultural question. It's a rhetorical one. Ryan James Gardoski, you have so many things here. I want to make sure I get it. You have the home pack. Hold on.

[Ryan James Gardusky]

Pack for immigration restriction. Check it out. And a numbers game podcast. And my podcast. Those are the two. I'll plug everything else.

[Charlie Kirk]

You can substack. National podcast. Yes. Okay, Ryan, great analysis. Thank you, my friend. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. We'll see you guys tomorrow.