ELECTION UPDATES, SPENCER PRATT AD CHOPS, MOSQUE SHOOTING | THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW

Summary

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Real America’s Voice: The Charlie Kirk Show (May 20, 2026)

ELECTION UPDATES, SPENCER PRATT AD CHOPS, MOSQUE SHOOTING

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show dives into the results and implications of the latest primary elections, analyzes the dynamics behind key races (notably the Kentucky and Georgia Republican primaries), and spotlights Spencer Pratt’s unconventional LA mayoral campaign and its viral media strategy. The panel also examines key culture and education battles, with a focus on how grassroots energy and political branding are shaping America’s political trajectory.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

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1. Post-Election Recap: Trump’s Endorsements and the Shape of the GOP (06:21–16:09)

• Trump's Endorsement Sweep:

  • Donald Trump-endorsed candidates won all 37 of their contested races in states like Pennsylvania, Alabama, Kentucky, Georgia, and Idaho. (“President Trump on his endorsements, went 37. So he won 37 races that he endorsed. In those candidates won versus zero losses.” —Charlie Kirk, 06:56)
  • Trump’s backing is framed as aligning with the GOP base and “America First” grassroots energy.

• Georgia Highlights:

  • Bert Jones secures governorship primary, heading for a runoff. Strong grassroots support.
  • Mike Collins wins the US Senate primary, going into runoff, despite being significantly outspent.
  • Republicans sweep Georgia Supreme Court races, indicating persistent conservative strength in “purple” Georgia.

• Kentucky Update:

  • Ed Gowering (Trump-endorsed Navy SEAL) defeats incumbent Rep. Thomas Massie after massive outside spending and generational divides among voters.
  • Older voters overwhelmingly backed Gowering, while Gen Z and Millennials leaned heavily toward Massie. (Demographic breakdown: "18 to 29 year olds supported Massie 78.5%... 65 plus: 35% for Massey, 65% for Galrain." —Charlie Kirk/Blake, 14:32)
  • The race became the most expensive House primary in US history (approx. $40 million).

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2. Dissecting the Thomas Massie Defeat (16:36–37:18)

Guests: Scott Jennings, Blake, Charlie Kirk

• Campaign & Personality Shift:

  • Massie characterized as shifting from “quirky but lovable nerd” to “clout chasing influencer” obsessed with the Epstein issue and increasingly antagonistic to Trump and GOP leadership.
    • Memorable Quote: “He went from that to looking like a clout chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats on an issue he clearly never cared about until five minutes ago than he did about representing his voters.” —Charlie Kirk quoting Sean Davis, 22:36
  • Massie’s fixation on Epstein and claims of GOP “protecting pedophiles” alienated traditional conservative voters and was labeled reckless.
    • “He’s been hugely reckless with this and I deserve to get owned…” —Blake, 22:36

• Anti-Semitism Controversy:

  • Massie’s concession speech, joking about locating his opponent in Tel Aviv, condemned as anti-Semitic by panelists, including Scott Jennings.
    • “He is, in my opinion, he has changed somewhat over the years and this dipping into this anti Semitism … I don’t think this is good for our party.” —Scott Jennings, 28:01

• Lessons for the GOP:

  • The generational divide is real (older voters favoring establishment/Trump, younger supporting the outsider/libertarian).
  • Being “too online” and drifting from core issues (taxes, border, law and order) is political suicide for Republicans in current primaries.
  • “Audience capture is a real thing. And I think Massey, he got. He got caught up in becoming a celebrity, for lack of a better term.” —Blake, 24:30

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3. National Trends, Senate Races, and the Radicalization of Both Parties (39:07–47:14)

• Expanding on the Redistricting Fight:

  • Republican victories in court battles over district maps (especially in Virginia/South) offer new House majority opportunities.
  • Dems are nominating ever-more progressive and out-of-touch candidates in purple states, making them vulnerable (e.g., Texas, Michigan, Maine).

• Texas Senate Preview:

  • Ken Paxton (Trump’s pick) expected to win the primary against establishment Senator John Cornyn (“Paxton is going to win the general by 6 to 10 points, that's my prediction.” —Charlie Kirk, 43:10).

• Democratic Messaging Critiqued:

  • Panel responds to Hakeem Jeffries’ rhetoric about “breaking MAGA extremists,” interpreting it as demonizing all Republican voters and forecasting continued polarization.
    • “When you hear Hakeem Jeffries ... say MAGA extremist, they just mean anybody who has ever voted Republican in their life." —Scott Jennings, 46:25

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4. Spencer Pratt’s Disruptive Los Angeles Mayoral Bid & Media Chops (53:49–72:15)

Guest: Peachy Keenan

• The Age of Viral Political Ads:

  • Spencer Pratt’s campaign is igniting grassroots creativity, inspiring AI-generated and meme-based advertisements (LEGO parody, “Fresh Prince” spoof).
  • “Even if he’s not creating them, it’s even more a testament to just how effective his campaign is being. Because when you inspire a legion of, like, die hard fans out there...it underscores the enthusiasm for your campaign.” —Charlie Kirk, 57:35

• Resonating on Quality-of-Life Issues:

  • Homelessness, crime, wildfires, and the deterioration of LA are driving widespread discontent, transcending partisan lines.
    • “People just don’t want those [stiff politician] right now. They want real people with real lived experience and who ... have, like, been actually victimized by these crazy urban city policies.” —Peachy Keenan, 70:14

• Breaking Through Progressive Orthodoxy:

  • Pratt is running as a nonpartisan, relatable “victim of the system,” which may appeal even to LA’s liberal-leaning electorate.
  • His response to opposition attacks (mocked for not living in an Airstream after his house burned down) embodies "leaning into controversy" with humor and authenticity (“I couldn’t even get the sewer line hooked up to my Airstream… I could get sniped. I’m getting death threats…There’s nothing obscuring the view.” —Spencer Pratt paraphrased, 60:58)
  • Trump acknowledges the uphill battle: “You have a rigged vote out there. That’s the problem. The votes are rig…” (71:34)

• Can He Win?

  • Quiet “Pratt voter” effect described: affluent centrists who have shifted priorities from partisanship to restoring basic order.
  • “Yes, I think he can win.… issues transcend politics, like left and right don’t matter, like, at all. It’s about quality of life, safety, your family, your ability to just walk down the street.” —Peachy Keenan, 68:12

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5. Homelessness as LA’s Defining Crisis (64:07–67:02)

• First-Person Accounts:

  • Peachy Keenan shares the pervasive impact of homelessness and public drug use even in formerly safe neighborhoods.
  • “You see people outside any like Metro station, they're just loaded up on every bus bench, passed out unconscious on the street. Sometimes you'll even see them like bent over in that like Fentanyl frozen pose.” —Peachy Keenan, 65:21

• Migration of Homeless Populations:

  • Many homeless in LA are from out-of-state, drawn by climate and accessible benefits.
  • “They come here because you can be homeless here very easily. You can get access to drugs, free needles, handouts, food money, checks. And the weather.” —Peachy Keenan, 66:30

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6. Education Battles and School Choice Momentum (73:11–94:44)

Guest: Dr. Hutz Hertzberg, Turning Point Education

• Indoctrination Concerns:

  • Panel emphasizes the “woke” ideological influence in American education starts before college and demands action at the K–12 level.
  • “They're already coming indoctrinated. It used to be they came to Princeton to get indoctrinated. Now they're already getting indoctrinated in high school and junior high school.” —Dr. Hutz Hertzberg, 76:35

• Turning Point Initiatives:

  • New Educator Summit in suburban Chicago features prominent speakers and encourages public/Christian/private teacher engagement (June 16–19, Lincolnshire, IL).
  • Launch of “prep year” for high school grads, teaching great books, life and practical skills—reorienting education toward classical and American values.

• Celebrating School Choice Wins:

  • Huge praise for Arizona’s voucher/tax credit model, now expanded by Trump’s Education Freedom Tax Credit, allowing direct support to students in participating states.
  • “If you want to break the back of the teachers union, you break their monopoly on education.” —Charlie Kirk, 80:14
  • “You can give up to $1,700, designate that to a designated scholarship granting organization…” (Ace Scholarships highlighted, 91:43)
  • Ongoing teacher union opposition, particularly in blue states, noted as a major hurdle.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Trump's endorsement reigns supreme.” —Charlie Kirk, 06:56
• “He went from quirky but lovable nerd...to looking like a clout chasing influencer...” —Charlie Kirk, 22:36
• “He’s been hugely reckless with this and I deserve to get owned” —Blake, 22:36
• “Audience capture is a real thing.” —Blake, 24:30
• “When you inspire a legion of die-hard fans creating videos on your behalf, it underscores the enthusiasm for your campaign.” —Charlie Kirk, 57:35
• “People just don’t want those [stiff politicians] right now. They want real people with real lived experience…” —Peachy Keenan, 70:14
• “He absolutely is likely to win.” —Peachy Keenan, 72:00

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Noteworthy Segment Timestamps

• Opening & election framing: 06:21–10:56
• Kentucky breakdown & generational split: 10:56–14:55
• Massie post-mortem & shifting personas: 16:36–24:42
• Scott Jennings on anti-Semitism and Massie’s defeat: 27:22–37:10
• National trends, redistricting, Senate races: 39:07–47:14
• Spencer Pratt/LA Mayoral campaign analysis: 53:49–72:15
• Homelessness as a campaign-defining issue: 64:07–67:02
• Trump’s education/school choice expansion: 73:11–94:44

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Summary Takeaway

This wide-ranging episode encapsulates a political moment defined by deep partisan divides, generational realignments, viral media, and a “back to basics” push in both politics and education. Trump’s dominance of the GOP is reaffirmed, insurgents are punished (unless they can capture the cultural mood as Spencer Pratt has in LA), and school choice is now seen by conservatives as the frontline in the next culture war.

Listeners are left with:

• A granular understanding of primary night upsets, the ideological tensions within conservatism, and the potential for unorthodox candidates to break through—provided they speak to everyday, tangible frustrations.
• A strong sense that grassroots enthusiasm and media/branding savvy are indispensable in modern political battles.
• An urgent call to refocus on education as both a cultural and political battleground—“break the teachers' union monopoly,” as Kirk repeatedly urges.

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Transcript

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I guess part of how we as House Democrats view this moment, either MAGA extremists are going to break the country

[Scott Jennings]

or we're going to break them. And our goal is to break them.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will defeat them.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

We have to beat them electorally and then we have to break their spirit because of the extremism that's being unleashed

[Charlie Kirk]

on the American people.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

That's completely and totally unacceptable.

[Charlie Kirk]

Democrats are the party of open borders and illegal immigrant criminals. And Democrats have chained themselves, chain themselves

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to the defund the police movement of

[Charlie Kirk]

the radical wing of this country. That's what we're dealing with here.

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Because since January, Democrats have blocked critical funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

[Charlie Kirk]

They have blocked critical funding for border Patrol. And if you ask most Americans, is

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it important to have a funded Immigration and Customs Enforcement, is it important to

[Charlie Kirk]

have funded Border Patrol? The answer is clearly yes. If you want to live in a

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community that is secure, in a country that is safe, it is important to do those things.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Republicans are going to vote this

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week on the Secure America act. And I don't expect a single Democrat to vote for.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're going to be the ones funding ice, funding border Patrol. And you say, why are the Democrats

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all going to vote against it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because the defund the police group is really now the driving force within the Democrat party.

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And Democrats in the Senate and in

[Charlie Kirk]

the House are willing to sacrifice to

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give up the safety and security of our nation to illegal immigrant criminals.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think that he is tapping into to a general sense of anger that people have not just in Los Angeles, but in many other places around our country. In my time, for the first time, we have had a reduction in street homelessness by 17 and a half percent, while homelessness has gone up 18%. So I want you to know that that resonates with Angelenos very much as well, because homelessness is one of our major, major problems. I talk to Palestinians all the time. A lot of Palisadeans are not excited about Spencer Pratt and do not feel that he represents their neighborhood very well. Los Angeles is a very, very big city and the wildfires had a big impact, that is for sure. But people do recognize that there are other issues.

[Peachy Keenan]

I think what we have to look at is not what the macro says

[Charlie Kirk]

about the Democratic Party, but what we're

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seeing happen in election after election.

[Charlie Kirk]

Even in Georgia, we had some of

[Peachy Keenan]

the closest elections that we've seen in, in a while and we are seeing more and more Democrats turn out. We are watching that happen across the country.

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Democrats may not have the strongest brand,

[Charlie Kirk]

but we have the strongest beliefs.

[Peachy Keenan]

And in this moment, our job is

[Charlie Kirk]

to show that Democrats and democracy can deliver the 10 steps campaign.

[Peachy Keenan]

The work that we're doing with the Read Them Home campaign is about showing people the connective tissue between who we put in office and the outcomes that we deserve. And that means that we are making sure that families feel that Democrats are

[Charlie Kirk]

showing up not just on election day,

[Peachy Keenan]

but every day in between elections.

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When we do that, the Democratic brand

[Peachy Keenan]

rises, but more importantly, our lives get better as Americans. Republicans have been in power now for the last few years.

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They have decimated our economy, they have

[Peachy Keenan]

decimated our trust and they no longer deserve to be in power in Washington

[Charlie Kirk]

D.C. or in the States. I would have come out sooner, but

[Scott Jennings]

I had to call my opponent and

[Charlie Kirk]

concede and it took a while to

[Scott Jennings]

find Ed Gowering in Tel Aviv. The two big issues in the race that were in most of the advertising had to do with tax cuts and immigration. And Massey was against Trump on both of his big border security and tax cut bills. And so they said, look, we can get a Republican congressman that will be part of the team and support the president. That campaign worked. Thomas Massie tonight in his concession speech said something despicable. Anti Semitic, nasty gutter politics right at the end. What a way to go out, he said. I would have called Ed Gowrine but you know, I had to, I had to find him in Tel Aviv. There was a, there was an undercurrent of anti Semitism in this race on the Massey side. There's been an undercurrent of it in his career, unfortunately. And it really came out in an ugly way tonight. And I think it needs to be stated, acknowledged and condemned because it was pretty despicable.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

It wasn't much of a night.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was over right away. Well, exactly. You know, often on election nights or primary, we debate whether we should go live. I'm actually really glad we didn't last night because to Blake's point, it was over so quickly and there was a lot of news made. And now the top line is that President Trump on his endorsements, went 37. So he won 37 races that he endorsed. In those candidates won versus zero losses. Okay, so the breakdown is he went 10, and oh in Pennsylvania, six. And oh in Alabama, six. And oh in Kentucky, nine, zero in Georgia, five. And oh in Idaho, one. And oh in Oregon. I don't even know the race he endorsed in Oregon, but nevertheless, 37 to 0. Okay, so the top line is that President Trump's endorsement reigns supreme. And that certainly, I think true on the top line, but when you dive deeper into it, I think it's more complex than that. I think that what really happened last night was that candidates that are with the base, that are with the grassroots went 37. And oh, right, that. And there was, by the way, there was more election results from last night than just the races that Trump endorsed in. Yeah, there's the graphic. But if you look at what really happened. Okay, so we got Bert Jones, who was actually the first Trump endorsed or candidate to endorse Trump in 2015 out of Georgia. Now he's the governor, and he's now. He now won. He's gonna be going to a runoff for the next Georgia governor. We have endorsed Bert Jones. He's a great candidate. So get behind Bert Jones. We're gonna get him on the show soon. So that was one example. You obviously Saw with Mike Collins, who's about as MAGA as it gets. America first as it gets. He won the US Senate primary last night, but he's going to be going to a runoff. By the way, he was spent outspent 15 to 1. But Mike Collins is a guy who's actually got legislation passed as a congressman out of Georgia. He is unabashedly pro Trump. He's pro the grassroots. He works his butt off. We're really, really proud of his accomplishments. Last night he really, he got close to not needing a runoff. So that was impressive for him. But he'll go to the runoff there. I would expect him to win that. And then the other thing that happened in Georgia last night, and I'm hesitant to read too much into it, I think that's fair. But there was actually supreme state Supreme Court races in Georgia. Three of the six seats were decided last night, all for Republicans, which means Republicans will control the state Supreme Court in purple Georgia at least through 2030.

[Blake]

This is really interesting. So I think a lot of people just had no idea this was going on, which is not surprising because they'll have appointed judges, but then they can be go up to the vote for another term. No one has lost reelection to this in over a century. But Democrats, because Georgia is a swing state that has a pretty strict abortion law, this is a big part of their motivation. They decided to put up challengers this

[Charlie Kirk]

time and put money behind it.

[Blake]

And they put, they put a lot of money behind it. They brought in President Obama to campaign on it. They ran ads, they tried to really pump it up and thankfully they failed. One of their efforts was pretty close. A funny thing you'll notice, by the way, you'll see there's two people they were making a big challenge against and there's actually a pretty big gap in how they fared. And some analysts are, it's a non partisan election technically. So some analysts are saying one of the reasons the Democrat who did better was named Miracle Rankin versus the other was, I think, is it Joe? Jen Jordan. So Miracle Rankin versus Jen Jordan. And they said Miracle Rankin sounded more like a name that a Democrat would have. So they think a lot of voters were in the booth trying to think, okay, who's more likely to be the Democrat here? And they were a little bit better at guessing with Miracle Rankin than the other. And so that's why she did way better than the other Democrat.

[Charlie Kirk]

Interesting. Well, whatever the result is or whatever the reason behind that is, we now have seen statewide races won by Republicans or Conservatives, at least in Georgia, which is a good sign for the general. Cuz I want you to remember, even CNN is calling the Ossoff race. He's the incumbent Democrat senator from the state of Georgia, the most vulnerable Senate race for Democrats going into this midterm cycle. So if Mike Collins, our endorsed candidate who came out way on top last night, ends up winning the runoff, which we expect him to do, then that gives us a really good shot. Looking at Georgia now, Georgia is one of those states that I kind of fear the most. Right. It's been a state that we, you know, we had Purdue as a senator, ended up losing that. We ran Herschel Walker, ended up losing that. So we've got Warnoff and Ossoff as our senators there. We've got Kemp as governor. He's sort of been a thorn in Trump's side. It's a weird state. I talked to some of the Trump 1.0, Trump, you know, 2020 guys about Georgia. They said it's the hardest state for the president to actually crowd build in. So I don't know what's going on in Georgia, but it's a historically red state. Republicans have the registration advantage, but it's plagued us at the federal level. I think this is a real opportunity to take back some ground in Georgia. So we're watching that very closely. And then again, Bert Jones for governor, that would be a massive, massive race there. We've endorsed Bert Jones. So turning our attention also to Kentucky, that's the other big race that everybody was looking at, Kentucky's fourth, which is of course, Thomas Massie. We talked about it on the show some. We're going to actually bring Scott Jennings, who's a Kentucky native, onto the show in the second half of this hour to get his take. But he lost. He lost by about nine points, which was significant. Now, a lot of people were calling this race 50 50. We had rich Barris on the show. He was even, I think, basically leaning that Massie was, was retaking the edge. But what ended up happening is the older voters here, way out, indexed, they punched way above their weight. They turned out way more than Gen Z and millennials. And they voted in Mass for Thomas or for Ed Gallerain, not for Thomas Massie. So it ended up being a huge, huge victory. Obviously, President Trump took a special interest in this race. So did Stephen Miller, so did Pete Hegseth. So Secretary of War even campaigned, which is a very unusual move. But this was a massive, massive victory for the president because he took special, I guess, special Interest in it. And that's not a surprise. Now the, I would call it the sort of dissident wing of the conservative coalition is very upset about this and I think that's to be expected. Gen Z was very much in Massie's corner. And I want to show this graphic here. So if you look at this is coming from Chris Brunette. Massie versus gowering support by age demographic. You can see that 18 to 29 year olds supported Massie 78.5% to 21.5%, 30 to 44 year olds. That millennial demo 64.9 to 35.1. And then Gen X is about 50, 50. But look at that. 65 plus Blake, 35 for Galrain and 65 or 35 for Massey, 65 for Galrain.

[Blake]

That turns into a landslide because they turn out, they turn out greater numbers and also they're more likely to be Republican generally. But it does show what we discussed. There is a generational divide there. And so for now it was a big beat down for the President and against Massie. But we can see there's, there's potential shifts on the horizon.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

More than $40 per person in that district.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And a lot of finger pointing has been made at AIPAC and stuff like. And they did play a role in this, there's no doubt. But it's also worth saying that only about 5% of Massie's money came in state. All right, so the rest of it came from probably mostly libertarian causes in, you know, in backers in California, Texas, Florida, et cetera. Okay, so this is what he said. Why did Massie lose? Massie went from principled libertarian during COVID to GOP leadership lap dog under McCarthy to anti Trump Epstein obsessive in 2025 after tweeting about that issue a whopping three times in the decade prior. So that point Sean had made on our show as well, Zepstein point that Massie had only mentioned that three times in a decade. Immediately 2025 comes around, and it's basically the only thing he's talking about. The nail in the coffin for him was voting against the one big beautiful bill in 2025 because, according to Massie, it did too much to secure the border. Sean ended up getting challenged on that, and he was proven correct. Massie did make a comment like that. Here's what's interesting about this. And I thought Sean did a great job in this tweet. He said Trump mercilessly, mercilessly trashed Massie in 2020, calling him a disaster for America and Kentucky, saying he should be thrown out of the GOP entirely. But Massie easily swatted that away and won 81. 19. So Trump didn't like Massey in 2020, and yet he won 80 to 20. So in his primary, it's.

[Blake]

It's exactly what he says, which is Massey has. Massey has annoyed Trump for a long time.

[Charlie Kirk]

He.

[Blake]

Trump has wanted him gone a lot longer than he's wanted other Republicans gone. He's one of the few guys who Trump went after in his first term and has stuck around all the way until now.

[Charlie Kirk]

He served. I think he served what, seven terms? Yeah. And he.

[Blake]

He was around even before Trump was in, and he annoyed him in a bunch of ways. But what was actually fatal to him is when he decides to, first of all, become this character whose Persona is being annoying to Trump and then getting. He got a lot of love from Ro Khanna, from Mother Jones, from left wing outlets because he's doing this and on top of that that he decided to become the face of, I'll be frank. An issue that I don't think is, is core to the MAGA priorities in terms of saving the country and instead just kind of involves smearing the President and his allies. He's saying that. He just says they're all protecting pedophiles. That is an insane thing to say.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, an insane thing to say, especially since the Democrats were sitting on the Epstein files for four years and didn't even mention them. Nobody even brought it up. Now, it would be one thing if there was any leadership during those four years to unseal the Epstein files. There wasn't the only people that have actually unsealed anything and you could disagree with the way they did it is the Trump administration. Okay.

[Blake]

He said weirder things. I think he shouldn't get away with what he does. He suggested that Jeffrey Epstein is actually alive and they're covering up, that his death was faked.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's done that.

[Blake]

He's done that. Yes. He said, he said, like, we don't know where he is. And then on top of that, he's also called for criminal charges to be brought against people who we like actually categorically know there's like no credible allegations against, where in fact, allegations have already been investigated and found to be groundless. And he just says we should, we should prosecute and indict them anyway. Well, he's been hugely reckless with this and I deserve to get owned, but

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's something. I think it's something even deeper, actually, sort of, sort of fundamental. And this, this is actually the main paragraph I wanted to get to from Sean. He said Massie lost because he went from being perceived as a quirky but lovable nerd who seemed to genuinely believe everything he said, which is definitely the way that I perceived Massie. I believe that, like, listen, I disagreed with him on stuff, I really agreed with him on some stuff, but I believed that he believed it and he was sticking to his principles. So he went from that to looking like a clout chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats on an issue he clearly never cared about until five minutes ago than he did about representing his voters. And that, I think, is a really interesting stuff. And he says, I don't know if it was losing his wife, the tragic death of his spouse. I don't know if it was a desire for notoriety or media claim or lucrative podcasting career. And by the way that's what everybody's predicting is that Massie is going to now become a podcaster. We'll see him on the podcast circuit with Dave Smith and probably Candace, like whoever else. Right. So I don't know what's going to happen in the future, but that's what everybody's predicting. And it does feel like that was ultimately what happened. If you, if you do like a before and after of Thomas Massie when he was married to his wife and he had like no facial hair, he

[Blake]

literally went from looking like a dork to looking like Robert, like a Civil War general.

[Charlie Kirk]

He got a glow up. And that was interesting. And by the way, that happens sometimes when people lose their spouse later in life, they kind of go back to the gym and they kind of. I'm not even mad about any of that stuff. I'm just saying I actually think that was more fundamental because he really had chops and credibility. And then it just felt like he went in a different direction. And I think the voters perceived that. And he says Massey's voters didn't change all that much, but he did.

[Blake]

Massey did, and they noticed. Audience capture is a real thing. And I think Massey, he got. He got caught up. He got caught up in becoming a celebrity, for lack of a better term.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, they're already chanting his name for 2028 during his concession speech. So I put it this way, we have not seen the last of Thomas Massie. It'll just be a question of what he chooses to do. Certainly. Scott Jennings joins us next. Mr. Kentucky. I'm sure he's got some opinions on this stuff. We'll talk to him next.

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[Scott Jennings]

Hey, Andrew, good to see you, brother. Thanks for the invite.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, man, I'm so glad. I know you got your show on next, everybody. Check that out. And you made time for us, so I appreciate it. All right, so I saw you on CNN last night. I saw the clip you went off on Mr. Thomas Massie. I'm going to play the clip and I'll get your reaction to it here. SOT19 I would have come out sooner but I had to call my opponent and concede and it took a while to find Ed Gowrin in Tel Aviv. I didn't expect that, I didn't expect that from him.

[Scott Jennings]

I, look, I, I, I live in this district. I vote in this district. I have voted for Thomas Massie many times. That was terrible. And I, I thought that, you know, he, he is, in my opinion, he has changed somewhat over the years and this dipping into this anti Semitism and sort of making everything about Israel and I just, I don't know, I think as you know where I stand on it, I don't think this is good for our party. I don't think it's good for the conservative movement and, and for him to go up on stage and do that last night was pretty, pretty bad in My opinion. So, yeah, I, I said on cnn I thought it was worth noting and worth calling out and, and worth condemning. And so I did it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, you did it. And I thought you did a great job. Honestly, I kind of with you. Listen, I like Thomas Massie. I have had affection for him. Charlie had affection for him. You know, there was more than a few comments in my mentions yesterday saying, you've betrayed Charlie and all this. Here's the thing. Thomas Massey used to vote, have a tremendous voting record, actually. And then two years ago, something changed, and then it wasn't so good. And he got fixated on the Epstein stuff. He got fixated on the, you know, the GOP is protecting pedophile stuff. And I think we need to have a real conversation about Epstein because nobody wants to do it because, I mean, there's like Michael Tracy, you know, and he gets widely excoriated for it. But first fact here is that, you know, the Democrats didn't release the files. The Republicans have been releasing the files. You may not like the way they did it. Okay, fine. I have some critiques, too. I do. I didn't like the binder thing. I didn't, you know, like, I didn't like. I didn't like Trump's reaction to it. Charlie didn't like Trump's reaction to it. But the truth is, and Blake has been out, I give Blake a ton of credit here. He's. There hasn't been the smoking gun that we, that we wanted or expected or thought was going to materialize. There's been a lot of bad behavior. There's been a lot of gross stuff.

[Blake]

But this, you know, and that's part of it. It's like they say we're always, apparently, one email release away, one file, you know, we'll finally get the smoking gun that's just, oh, here's the list and every single crime this person committed. And also here's this video attached instead. We have millions of these things, and some of them have been humiliating for incredibly rich and influential people. If, If Bill Gates is getting humiliated, if Elon Musk is getting humiliated, if Leon Black is getting embarrassed by what comes out of these, if Lawrence Summers is getting embarrassed by what's coming out of these. Where's the COVID up here? Because really important and notable people are actually getting dumped on from this stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

But the idea that there's like, you know, there's going to be this email that gets released and then, you know, 67 pedophiles that are all billionaires are going to be Thrown in the Gulag or something like that's just. We just haven't seen. I would love to see that. I would love to see a bunch of pedophiles be, you know, frog march. Yeah, exactly. If it's not there, it's not there. We have to have rules and we have to have laws and we have to deal with this thing the way a civilized, advanced nation would. Instead, one of my critiques of Massie is that, yeah, you led on this, you out with Ro Khanna, but you didn't even mention it for a decade and all of a sudden it became your cause du jour. And listen, I'm with him candidly on the Iran war. Scott, you and I might be a little bit of a difference of opinion on that, but, like, you can't be a thorn in your side of your party for years now and not build up some enemies and some ire. So I'm, you know, I have no ill will towards him. I'm just, I'm also, like, not that upset today. Ok. And I didn't like the Tel Aviv joke. Okay. Or whatever you want to call that. Yeah.

[Scott Jennings]

On the Epstein stuff, you know, Massey spent a lot of time with Ro Khanna, and Ro Khanna was using the issue to hurt Donald Trump. And Thomas Massie started to try to use the issue to hurt Donald Trump. Democrats wanted everybody to believe that Donald Trump had some problem in the Epstein files. They still go out and say that on television almost every day. I hear it every day. There's not a shred of evidence Donald Trump ever did anything wrong. But Thomas Massie was teaming up with people who wanted everybody to believe that that was really unforgivable, in my opinion, regarding the issues. Thomas Massie started voting with Democrats on things like tax cuts. He opposed the president's big, beautiful bill last summer. He voted with them against Donald Trump's border security initiatives like the wall. There's. I mean, look, I don't know much, but I know one thing. There's a couple of issues on which you cannot become an apostate in a Republican primary, and that is taxes and immigration. If you are opposing Donald Trump on cutting taxes and stopping the flow of illegal aliens across the border, you are going to have a problem. As someone who lives here, I watched all the ad traffic. Almost all the advertising was about those issues. And it's like, Trump wants to do this. Massey doesn't. You make the choice. And the people in Kentucky have agency. They made the choice. They want a Republican congressman to support the president. I think one of Massie's problems is that he began to think, because I guess, of all of his online activity, that he was somehow bigger in the party or more he was supposed to be setting the agenda for the party. No, the Republican voters here want Donald Trump to set the agenda, and he had set that agenda. Massie opposed the agenda, and he paid the price in our primary. It's easy to overanalyze these things, but it's really no more complicated than that, in my opinion.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. One thing that I am aware of, though, Scott, and I'm curious your perspective on it, is the generational breakdown. The older voters, the older you are, the more likely you were to vote for Gowrain. The younger you were, the more likely you were to vote for Massie. What do you make of the generational divide and is it problematic or those they're going to grow up and change their voting habits? I mean, what do you see here?

[Scott Jennings]

Some of it, I think, has to do with communications. I think Massie tends to communicate more on platforms that are used by younger voters. And Gal Rhyne, the communications around his campaign were on platforms that were geared towards older voters. I also think Gallerin and, you know, look, he supported the president on Iran. He's a veteran, he's a Navy seal. You know, I think that message vector, frankly, was more, you know, kind of wrapping the flag rap in patriotism, support the commander in chief. That meant more, I think, to the older voters in the 4th congressional district, who I think are more traditional conservatives when it comes to national security stuff. If Donald Trump says we need to go attack somebody, they're going to get in line and they want to do it. And Gal Ryan was certainly, was certainly right there on that. I worry a little bit about some of the conspiracies and the sort of what I don't consider to be conservative messaging vectors that Massey was pursuing to try to attract some of the younger voters, you know, but, you know, that's the kind of campaign he chose to run. The district, you know, has some younger voters in it, but, you know, it's a Republican primary in a rural area in middle America. There's a lot of older, traditional conservatives in there who just decided, I would rather have a more, you know, loyal Republican in the job to help my president succeed. And, you know, maybe some of the younger voters didn't, didn't feel that way as much about Gowrine. You know, Gowrain himself, he wasn't really that much of a part of the campaign. He was Endorsed by Trump. The whole thing was a referendum on. Is Massie supporting Trump enough? I mean, that was the whole question. And whether you voted him up or down. I don't think it had as much to do with Gal Ryan's credentials or his views as it did with just.

[Charlie Kirk]

I.

[Scott Jennings]

You know, I thought Massey was going to help Trump, and it turns out he's hurting him and people got tired.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And I want to get to the Andy Bar race, but I just have to show up this before and after this, before and after that. Like Thomas Massie, the Thomas Massey that I really was like a huge fan of, Versus. You know what he sort of is lately? I mean, barely recognizable between. Between the two. I mean, Thomas Massey is an MIT grad. He's a. You know what? He built his own house. Built his own house. He's. He, like. He, like, you know, on. On Raw Milk, on. On all this stuff. And then. And then he's like. He looks like, you said, like a

[Blake]

Civil War general or something suddenly from a Civil War general, and just totally different behavior, too. It's just, you think of this nerd who went to mit, and now he's a guy who, I'll be frank, he's chasing conspiracy theories.

[Charlie Kirk]

You do sort of expect he's gonna have his podcast next. Go ahead.

[Scott Jennings]

He went from, like, lovable, quirky policy nerd that, you know, was always willing to carry the torch on, you know, controlling spending and so on and so forth to. To some bizarre peddler of conspiracy theories. And I think he. Look, a lot of people make this mistake in their lives, politics or otherwise.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

You can.

[Scott Jennings]

It's possible to be too online. You know, you get very, very online. You get wrapped up in what's going on online. And. And I think maybe he fell victim

[Charlie Kirk]

to that a little bit, but I

[Scott Jennings]

guess we'll see what he does in his next career. But, you know, he. A lot of people liked him, and I think still want to like him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I still want to like him. That's. That way. Yeah.

[Scott Jennings]

This wasn't. Wasn't good enough for the Republicans, who, you know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, no, listen, I. I think that. I think we could make the mistake of making too much out of this race and taking too much away from it. But, Scott, I know you got a. Could you stay for six more minutes or do you got it? You got a dash?

[Scott Jennings]

Yeah, we can do it. Sure.

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I heart Radio. All right, Scott Jennings is with us still. Scott, let's take our. Let's open the aperture up a little bit. So you got Andy Barr. I know you got, you know these guys well. Were you surprised by the result in that Senate race, GOP primary?

[Scott Jennings]

No, not at all. Late in the campaign, President Trump came in and endorsed Andy Barr. And not only that, he made a deal to get Nate Morris, who was another candidate out of the race that just left Daniel Cameron. But look, in Kentucky, like in most places, if Donald Trump makes a choice in a primary, it typically makes the difference. This had been a pretty close race, I think, between Barr and Cameron. And when Trump came in and made the choice, everybody flowed to Andy Barr. He's been a good congressman from central Kentucky in the Lexington area. And the Democrats here nominated a very, very progressive radical named Charles Booker. So I don't think Andy Barr will have Any trouble holding the seat in November.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it. Well, if you could help talk to him, back channel with him that I have some notes on immigration I'd like to talk to him about. If you could set that up, I'd be very grateful. We were big supporters of Nate Morris. I was a little disappointed to see the way that played out. Nate's been a good sport about it. I think we haven't seen the last of Nate Morris. And anyways, that's, that's, that's that. So Andy Barr is going to probably run away with this and be the next senator from the state of Kentucky. Georgia, you got Mike Collins. We endorsed him at Turning Point Action. He had a big night. Going to go to the runoff. I would expect him. He's probably going to mop up there. I'm also looking at Michigan, Mike Rogers. That's a race to watch. So let's talk. You've got the gutting of the VRA Section 2 by the Supreme Court. You've got fewer and fewer toss up seats. It does feel like there's a bit of a momentum shift, right? You saw that with the Indiana. We had five guys that voted in the U.S. state Senate there against redistricting. President Trump Turning Point Action. We had a big night there. You're seeing that there's, there's less meat on the bone. If we're going to see a wave election, which you often do in the midterms, there's less meat on the bone here. I'm feeling a momentum shift. I'm subtle, I'm cautiously optimistic. What are you seeing holding the Senate, holding the House?

[Scott Jennings]

I think on redistricting, there's been a clear momentum shift. The Supreme Court in Virginia, throwing out there, you know, that crazy map that they passed that, that, that changed a lot to go back to 6 to 5 in Virginia. And then you look at some of the changes that have been made in the Southern states. So that alone gives Republicans, you know, a fighting chance. Whereas, you know, a few weeks ago, I think a lot of us were sitting around in the doldrums thinking, well, there's, there's no way, if Democrats do all these things on redistricting and we don't, you know, they're gonna, they're gonna blow us out. So that, that's changed. The other thing going on, I think, is financially, you know, Trump has raised a ton of money. The party's doing well financially. And I think on candidate recruitment, we're doing well. We're nominating people who are basically mainstream conservatives. Who have broad common sense appeal on the Democratic side. You brought up Michigan. They tend to be looking at people who are so far out of the mainstream that you take a purple state. I mean, all those candidates on the Democratic side running for Senate in Michigan are lunatics, okay? They're radical, progressive lunatics, dangerous people. Look what's going on in Maine. You've got this Platner character. I mean, every single day something comes out about Platner. And you think, where do they find these kinds of people? I think that's also happening in House primaries around the country where the more radical Democrats are winning primaries. But they may not be a match for, you know, more purple constituency. Texas. They've nominated a guy for Senate down there who thinks there are six genders and should be no meat. I mean, good luck selling this in Texas. Like, I, how do you. I've never met anybody from Texas who believes that except this guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'll call my shot. Yeah, Scott, I'm going to call my shot. I think Paxton is going to win the primary. I think he's going to end up winning the general by 6 to 10 points. That's my prediction.

[Scott Jennings]

I think Paxton will win the race in the fall. I think Democrats, as they have in the past, are going to spend a boatload of money in Texas. They spend a bunch of money on Beto. They, you know, they spent a bunch of money, you know, on a couple of Senate races down there and it never pans out for them. Texas is basically a conservative state. And by the way, Ken Paxton's won elections statewide before and Talarico. They are going to try to portray him as a middle of the road, normal person. There's nothing normal about this. There's nothing normal or relatable about any of this.

[Peachy Keenan]

You know what's funny?

[Scott Jennings]

But to the Democrat, they always try to come up with the caricature of what they think. You know, a normal middle America male is like, like this is the caricature of what they think.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's supposed to be like early AI. It's got like six fingers, you know, like.

[Blake]

And they'll always, they always end up self destructing a little bit. Because Democrats nationwide are obsessed with Texas. They love the idea of flipping it. And so what they do is they end up spending a ton of money. It's always a ton of out of state money. So these guys come out. Texas, even compared to other states, I think is a little bit. They're a little regional. They don't like it when they sense other people are coming in and changing. They like the idea that they're a very distinct state. And so then, oh, here's, here's someone coming in to transform and flip. Texas Blue and Texas Democrats are, are really lib in comparison to some states really are like, they're, they're much more left wing than some other red state Democrats are. They hype it up and they blow it all of smithereens. They make it worse for themselves.

[Scott Jennings]

They might have been better off with Jasmine Crockett down there. I'm just, I mean, she, I mean, look, she is a more normal, conservative person than James Talarika. I'm just telling you right now, her voting record was relatively, you know, more main but more mainstream than anything I've ever heard Talarico say. And the fact that Democrats continue to try to, with a straight face, go on television and say, oh, no, no, no, this is just like your, you know, mild mannered, ordinary, you know, Christian guy from. It is, it is the farthest thing from the truth. And they think people are buying it. Nobody's buying it. Nobody's buying the, the shtick in Maine. This guy's not an oyster farmer. You know, he's like the, he's like a trust fund kid they have constructed to run for the U.S. senate. And they're overlooking the fact that he had a Nazi tattoo that he says he wants to masturbate in public toilets. I mean, it's crazy what they are trying to present to the American people as normal. And it's not going to work.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm going to play this Hakeem Jeffries clip because I do think one of the best arguments, and I don't think it's cope, I don't think it's opium, is that Dems do overshoot. They scare the hell out of a lot of people I know, myself included. Sat 10.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

I guess part of how we as House Democrats view this moment, either MAGA extremists are going to break the country

[Scott Jennings]

or we're going to break them. And our goal is to break them.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will defeat them.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

We have to beat them elected arbitrarily. And then we have to break their spirit because of the extremism that's being unleashed on the American people. That's completely and totally unacceptable.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was the no Bad Ideas conference. I think that Kamala Harris put together final words to you, Scott.

[Scott Jennings]

So when you hear Hakeem Jeffries or any other Democrats say MAGA extremist, they just mean anybody who has ever voted Republican in their life. That's the thing, they're not talking about five or 10 people that they don't like. They're talking about 80 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump, who vote Republican, who just want to go out and support, you know, a common sense conservative. To them, you are a MAGA extremist who needs to be punished, who needs to get something. They need to get revenge on you. They need to break your spirit. Winning at the ballot box will not be enough for these people. They're already promising retribution and revenge on anybody who's ever been within 200ft of Donald Trump. And now they're extending that to anybody who ever cast a ballot for a Republican candidate in any office. That's what I hear in Hakeem Jeffries words.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I mean, I feel for you, Scott, because every night on cnn, I'm pretty sure you're sitting around a table of people who think you're a MAGA extremist and you're pretty like mainstream guy, you know. All right, Scott Jennings, have a good show. We'll see you next time, my friend. Thank you watching for joining us. We turn our attention to LA and Spencer Pratt next with Peachy Keenan.

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Apart from speaking at graduations, the Trump Midas touch continues to be golden when it comes to President Trump's endorsed candidates unseating incumbents. Former Navy SEAL Ed Gowering, or Gowrine, excuse me, is headed to November's general election to represent Kentucky in Congress. Gowrine unseated incumbent Thomas Massie, who has been a consistent thorn in President Trump's side, leading 47 to target him for Tuesday's primary.

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The winner of the race tonight is

[Charlie Kirk]

not so much at Gowran. I'll come back to that. But it's the Republicans of Kentucky Congressional District 4 and their families who I

[Scott Jennings]

will be a champion for in Washington.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now my focus is on advancing the president's and the party's agenda to put America first and Kentucky always.

[Terrence Bates]

Gal Ryan's primary challenge of Thomas Massie was the most expensive US House primary in history with more than $35 million spent between the two candidates. Speaking of the president's endorsement, Ken Paxton is his pick to be the next U.S. senator from Texas. Paxton faces incumbent Senator John Cornyn in next week's primary runoff. The president made the announcement on True Social writing in part that the Texas attorney general is a quote, america first patriot and someone who has always been extremely loyal to me and our amazing MAGA movement. 47 going on to write. I know Ken well, have seen him tested at the highest and most difficult levels and he is a winner. Ken is a strong supporter of terminating the filibuster and very importantly, the Save America Act. He writes Texas Senate primary runoff is set for next Tuesday. And in his endorsement post for Paxton, President Trump also mentioning Senator Cornyn writing in part, john Cornyn is a good man and I worked well with him, but he was not supportive of me when times were tough. That's a quick check of.

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[Blake]

All right, we're back for hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew's having a slight technical hookup. We'll see if he's able to get his sound working.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know we have Peachy today.

[Blake]

A lot of exciting things are going on in California in the city of la. We're always getting contacted by people who say, can you guys get more involved in California? Can you help us save California? And usually our answer is there's not. We'll do our best. We should work hard. But we're still having, you know, you want to be pragmatic about these things, but big things are happening in Los Angeles where former reality TV star Spencer Pratt has launched an upstart bid for mayor and he's gaining ground by the day. He has great media savvy and peachy Keenan is one of our California fans, California experts, and she's joining our show now to talk about his run. Peachy, are you there?

[Peachy Keenan]

I'm here. How are you guys?

[Blake]

Welcome. Welcome. So let's just start with let's how is Spencer shaking things up. What's it like in Los Angeles now that there's hope in this city for the first time in a while, it seems.

[Peachy Keenan]

Yeah. I just want to let you know that right now, as we speak, my house is filled yet again with the smell of burning forest fires. I live near Altadena and there's like another fire going on up in the mountains today. So. Having a little PTSD from last January. Yeah. Spencer. Spencer is so great. I have never actually personally met him, but I feel like I know him because he went to Crossroads, which is like a super kind of fancy, private, very progressive high school in Santa Monica where all of my in laws went. I know a ton of people who went to Crossroads who were actually in his class in Crossroads and a lot of my family have been going to his father, who's a dentist, for years. So I feel like I know Spencer very well and I'm super excited about his impending victory.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, wow. Hey, that's confident away. Peachy. We had a technical difficulty. I heard the second half of what you said. We've got so many clips and really so peachy. People don't know this, but you have a. Very well, they. Some people know this, but your background in the entertainment industry, you did work with like Star wars on the. You know, I've. I know bits and pieces of your CV here. I mean, I have to say, and I said this on X and it seemed to go around. I think he is the best campaigner of his generation, like, bar none, without a doubt. The question is, will it matter? But let's go in to some of his clips here and his campaign ads because they're really striking a note. They're really resonating with people across the political spectrum, which is very interesting. Which you need to do in la. Literally. I could grab. It's a grab bag. How about the LEGO takeoff of everything is awful, although it says 3 and there's 2 3. So we'll play slot 3 and see what we get here.

[Blake]

Karen Bass is awful and burning down our street.

[Charlie Kirk]

Everything is over and she's killing our dreams. Like we've never seen this before.

[Peachy Keenan]

Yeah. And I, you know, a lot of the AI ads that are being made are actually being done by kind of fans. I don't really believe his. His main campaign video team is doing those. They're doing all the shots with Spencer and all the drone stuff, but these are just being developed sort of by grassroots creators on social media. And there's just. There's more than one. There's a lot of them and doing so many. And they're, they're really groundbreaking.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well, and I would just make the argument that if, even if he's not creating them, it's even more a testament to just how effective his campaign is being. Because when you inspire a legion of, like, you know, die hard fans out there that spend their time creating videos on your behalf, it underscores the enthusiasm for your campaign.

[Peachy Keenan]

Yeah. And a lot of the creators are locals. They live here. And so they are, they have so much stake in this. And anyone who lives in LA or around the cities, you know, around LA City, like Santa Monica, West Hollywood, where I am in Pasadena, we're all affected by what happens in LA City. And so they just open their eyes. And for years now, people have been complaining that there's, you know, a tent on fire outside their $3 million Venice home, or they took their kids to the beach and there was needles in the sand. I mean, I've seen all of these things. They've been chasing parking lots. I have had to step over bodies. You know, you drive by scenes that look like Gaza. It's. It's for years, years and years and years since I was a little kid. And so these are film, these are creators and filmmakers who are just finally, they finally have someone that, that is giving them hope and giving them a motivation to like, unleash their creativity.

[Charlie Kirk]

So there's this whole controversy about the fact that he's not actually staying in the Airstream. Okay. On his burned down land. So again, backstory, Spencer Pratt, his house gets burned down in the Palisades fire. I remember Peachy having you on with Charlie when the fires were raging in East Los Angeles area near your house and you were like on the block giving us a play by play which buildings had just burned down. I mean, it was wild stuff. So this inspires him to get in this race. He says he's living in the Airstream and this is a new home. But turns out he's at the Bel Air Hotel and people are making a big stink about this. But what I love is that he

[Blake]

took advantage of this.

[Charlie Kirk]

He took advantage of it and he came out with this banger. I love it. Stop. 15.

[Peachy Keenan]

Now, this is a story all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down, and I had to take a

[Charlie Kirk]

minute to run for mayor. I'll tell you how I became the

[Peachy Keenan]

prince of a town called Bel Air in West Los Angeles. Palisades in my backyard is where I spent most of my days feeding hummingbirds, relaxing all cool, avoiding all the bums

[Charlie Kirk]

outside of the school.

[Peachy Keenan]

When a couple politicians the world are no good Started making trouble in my neighborhood, I got at one little fire. My mom got scared and said, you're moving in with Harvey Levin in Bel Air. I moved to my kingdom.

[Charlie Kirk]

I was finally there to sit on my throne as a prince of Bel Air. So, like, it's just so good. I mean, it's leaning into it. And, you know, he's got the truth on his side. I think that is the big. The big thing here. It's like whether he lives in an Airstream because his house got burned down or it gets doxed and then he gets death threats, which we can relate to here. And so he has to go live in a hotel. What does it matter? The fact is his house burned down. I mean, you. It's an unassailable sort of origin story. What are you going to do with it?

[Peachy Keenan]

Right? I mean, they want him to be in a tent with his children, like, in the ash. And the Civic Palisades is still ash. It's still. There's such a trap framed. So, yeah, that is his house. And to penalize him for not, like, living in the dirt with no running water, like, to penalize him for that is just. I mean, this is, you know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, by the way, Pichee, he said. He said as much. He said, I couldn't even get the sewer line hooked up to my Airstream. I couldn't get power to the Airstream. And not only that, all the trees burned down. And he was like. He told tmz, he's like, I could get sniped. I'm getting death threats. Like, there's nothing obscuring the view to my Airstream. People, if they wanted to hurt me, they could. So, yeah, like, I have to go live at a hotel right now because I have no home. And I was just like, you know, and you could see. You could see tmz, like, the body language go like, oh, that's a pretty good point. And I feel bad for the question about it.

[Peachy Keenan]

They've got nothing else. These are just like Nithya or Karen's talking points. Yeah, look, looking at this footage, I mean, I grew up on Via Delapaz in, you know, when I was little in the Palisades. And it. That house burned down, obviously. And it's just. It's so sad. I have family who were also burned out. And they live. They moved to Manhattan beach, they're rebuilding. And obviously it's going to take God knows how long you know, with Karen Bass in charge of giving out permits. And they. I read that people who did move out of Palisades are not getting their ballots. Like, they're not considering you a Palisades resident because you had to flee to another.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that is LA proper. That is LA city. Yes.

[Peachy Keenan]

Manhattan beach is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no. Yeah, the Palisades is LA proper.

[Scott Jennings]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not part of Santa Monica. Yeah, that's right. So, yeah, that's an. Okay, let's talk about that on the other side of the break, because that's an interesting wrinkle here. I'm gonna tell you guys about Hillsdale College. We are obviously at America 250. We need to restore the founding ideals. That means we need to reteach a whole generation about the founding story, about the truth, not this woke 1619 garbage. None of that stuff. No DEI. No, they were, you know, America's systemically oppressive, all this crap. Okay? Hillsdale College has come out with a new documentary, Revolutionary America. And they've done it to the excellent standards that you've come to expect from Hillsdale College. It's amazing. And it's coming out in theaters May 31 through June 2. May 31 through June 2. Get your tickets now and bring a whole slew of people. All your friends, all your family, go out and check it out. Hillsdale. Edu Revolution. Hillsdale Edu Revolution. Find a theater near you. Get your tickets today. And that is Revolutionary America. We gotta celebrate this country again. More with Peachy Keenan on the other side of this break.

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[Peachy Keenan]

I heart radio.

[Charlie Kirk]

When you talked to Jake Tapper In 2023, you said that your goal was

[Blake]

to end street homelessness in LA by 2026.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's now 2026 and we haven't ended it. We have not ended it, and we're

[Scott Jennings]

not close to ending it.

[Charlie Kirk]

How were you so off? Well, basically when I said that, it was at the beginning of my term.

[Peachy Keenan]

I am very committed to achieving that goal.

[Charlie Kirk]

I didn't anticipate some of the bureaucratic barriers that I would experience, but I am prepared to take those on now. But you promised that it would go away 100% and it's only gone down about 17.6%. Right. So why should people trust you that you're going to be able to get

[Scott Jennings]

to the hundred percent?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because let me just tell you for the first time we've had a decrease at all. So peachy. Keenan, LA resident, LA area resident and childhood home in the Pacific Palisades where Spencer Pratt's home burned down. Now, famously, homelessness has taken on a huge issue here and I want to get back to that voter piece that you just mentioned because I think it's key. But homelessness, talk about it. If you're just a normal Angeleno, like, are you really worked up about homelessness?

[Peachy Keenan]

Yeah, it's the number one issue. And not just in LA city, but even here in Pasadena. It's kind of become a mini skid row. You see people outside any like Metro station, they're just loaded up on every bus bench, passed out unconscious on the street. Sometimes you'll even see them like bent over in that like Fentanyl frozen pose. It's absolutely everywhere. It's even creeping into places like Beverly Hills, which never used to have it. The Palisades was one of these places that didn't have any homeless. It was like this pristine, like utopia because we're kind of out of the way, it's a little bit hard to get to. And so of course now it's going, you know, now that they, they burned it down for. I wonder why. It's something that affects every single person no matter where you are. Basically in the, in LA county. And as that report just came out from, from Chris Rufo and Kenneth Schriff that 70%, 80% are out of state homeless people. And I've known this for years. I've seen videos of people going around skid row interviewing homeless people. Where are you from? Where are you from? They're all from nowhere. No one grew up here. They come here because you can be homeless here very easily. You can get access to drugs, free needles, handouts, food money, checks.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the weather.

[Peachy Keenan]

And the weather. Yeah. You can't be homeless as easily in, you know, Montana or Wyoming or even Texas. And it's pleasant here all the time. You can live outdoors year round. And that's why Santa Monica at the beach now is basically an open air drug camp. Ocean Avenue, these beautiful hotels are now overrun. You can't even walk down by the pier really anymore.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, apocalyptic. So Spencer Pratt has another campaign ad on the homelessness crisis. Let's play it side 18.

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Los Angeles losing tens of thousands of residents. One of the biggest population drops in the nation.

[Scott Jennings]

Man killed near the LA Convention Center.

[Charlie Kirk]

Billions in homeless funds were poorly tracked. It's far more sexy to talk about all these billions of dollars that are missing and blah, blah, blah.

[Peachy Keenan]

The system in Los Angeles isn't struggling, it's fundamentally broken.

[Charlie Kirk]

The city failed everyone. The insurance companies failed everyone.

[Peachy Keenan]

Mothers that want to go to the

[Charlie Kirk]

park, that don't want to inhale fentanyl

[Peachy Keenan]

smoke from the 70,000 drug addicts that the mayor currently less live on our streets.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you're not shocked by what you

[Peachy Keenan]

see, then I don't know what you

[Charlie Kirk]

would be shocked by. Just giving you needles and pipes on

[Peachy Keenan]

the street and dropping off a sandwich

[Charlie Kirk]

is not helping these people. So I think he's getting right to the crux of the issue and he's just nailing it every. Every which way you can think of. But then the question then becomes peachy, can he win? Can he actually win? President Trump was asked about this, and we'll play that clip. But your. Your take. Can he actually win Los Angeles?

[Peachy Keenan]

I mean, when he first announced, you know, everyone was like, well, that'd be great. But obviously LA City went, I think, 80% to Kamala, 20% to Trump. So there are a lot of Trump supporters here, but we're so outnumbered, so it's like, how can he win? But Special has been doing something really smart. He's playing it totally nonpartisan, and he's making this a local issue. Louisiana issues transcend politics, like left and right don't matter, like, at all. It's about quality of life, safety, your family, you know, your ability to just, like, walk down the street. And so that's very smart what he's doing. And so, yes, I think he can win. Nithya Rahman fell apart in the debate. We all kind of saw right through her. She's actually, I can't believe I'm saying this, too progressive for Los Angeles. And then you have this quiet Pratt vote, which you have, like, you know, the. The sort of like, you know, LA wealthy people, the trophy wives of Brentwood. You know, these are people who love Kamala Harris. They probably voted for Hillary Clinton. They hate Trump, but they. More than that, they hate that they have to see a guy with his pants down, like, taking a crap outside their children's elementary school. So it's possible that these women are like that ad that they should. They. He did or his friends did the AI, like the yoga mom ad, like, shh, we're voting for Pratt. I think that's absolutely real. And now the question is, are there enough of them to defeat Karen Bass's, like, SEIU thug army of ballad harvesters, which is why she kind of stole it from Rick Caruso.

[Blake]

Do you think there's. You say LA has particular aspects, but do you think there's any lessons we could draw from Spencer's success beyond just the, you know, doesn't, you know, plays it nonpartisan for other cities in the US because there are a lot of blue cities that are very badly run that people are fleeing, but they're Democrat and we've kind of given up on a lot of them. And it would be good for conservatives if we can have better governance in our big cities because they're America's big cities.

[Peachy Keenan]

Yeah, it's so sad. It would be so easy to turn these places around. I mean, you could clean up the homeless here in like a few weeks. You just have to have. You just have to literally enforce the law. Just the way Trump suddenly stopped all border crossings. You just have to enforce the law. I think it's about candidates, and Spencer's is like the perfect kind of candidate that can kind of transcend party lines and be really engaging, great on tv, funny charisma, personality. It really comes down to finding those kinds of people who don't come across as these, like, stiff politician type people who are just. People just don't want those right now. They want real people with real lived experience and who aren't these and also don't have a background of corruption and failure and high speed trains to nowhere who are like, fresh and who have, like, been been actually victimized by these, by these crazy urban city policies. And so there are a lot of lessons. It would be so great because we've seen mom dummy and like mom dummy, little mom dummies popping up like Nithya popping up. It would be so great to see a lot. An army of Spencer Pratt types.

[Scott Jennings]

Yeah, well, I went to Chicago and

[Peachy Keenan]

New York and all these other cities.

[Charlie Kirk]

Peachy. So this morning, Trump was asked about Spencer Pratt's campaign. Sod 8 Spencer Pratt.

[Peachy Keenan]

Do you see yourself in him at all?

[Scott Jennings]

A former reality TV star.

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I'd like to see him do well.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

He's a character.

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He's doing well. I don't know. You have a rigged vote out there. That's the problem. The votes are rig well.

[Charlie Kirk]

And he says in between we cut it. But he says, I heard he's maga. I heard he's really maga. You heard his big support Trump supporter is can he win? If that becomes the messaging from the left,

[Peachy Keenan]

it already is. Like Nithy is already calling him you MAGA extremist. And he did this like, ooh, like, you know, scary.

[Scott Jennings]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Peachy Keenan]

From the. Yeah, from the debate. And so I think, you know, it depends. You're never going to get the like ideological, the crazy ones, the blue hairs. You're never going to. You're never going to get them. You could have a homeless person burned there, like live in their house and burn it down. But I think he absolutely is likely to win.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whoa, that would be huge. That'd be tectonic. Peachy Kaden, follow her. She's amazing. Thank you Peachy for making the time. God bless you. We'll see you soon. We'll be right back.

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[Peachy Keenan]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

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[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Andrew. Great to be with you. And Blake. Yeah. I will tell you because Charlie, as both you guys in the audience knows, was able to see beyond the horizon and he was able to see that, you know, as we all know, Charlie started on college campuses. His last day on this planet was on a college campus. But Charlie began to see what some of the others of us were beginning to see. And that is the indoctrination of woke ideologies was happening long before students were coming on college campuses. Remember talking with a professional acquaintance, Dr. George, Robert George at Princeton University.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

A couple years ago. And I was actually, I did some work at Princeton And I said, Dr. George, what have you noticed different in your then it was 39 years. It's probably more like 41, 42, 43 years now. So four years ago, and he said, the thing that I noticed that is different with students today than when I first came here is that they're already coming indoctrinated. It used to be they came to Princeton to get indoctrinated. Now they're already getting indoctrinated in high school and junior high school. We would say the indoctrination starts in grade school and even preschool. So Charlie was seeing that, was seeing that if we're going to get this next generation, we have to go younger. And I was beginning to see the same thing in my own life. I was in Christian higher education, never anything lower than working with a freshman in high school or a freshman in college. But I realized the same thing, that I needed to go younger. So I made the intentional decision to go younger. And I ended up being president of A K through 12 school, the Northern suburbs of Chicago. And lo and behold, that was the school that Charlie attended third, fourth and fifth grade. And he was gone by the time I got there. But that's how we connected and that's how he knew that I existed and that's how I knew that Charlie existed.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I love that story. Charlie would often tell it when he was introducing you on stage and things like that. So you've got so many initiatives here, though. You've got. We've got the Educators Summit, we've got Turning Point Education Prep Year. I know we gotta talk about this. Education Freedom, Tax Credit. So take it as you will because they're all super important. And by the way, your speaker list on this. Where did I see this? Right here. Yeah, this you've got. I don't even know how you got George Barna, Al Mohler, John Stonestreet, Megan Basham, Riley Gaines, Congresswoman Mary Miller, Ben Schetler, Ryan Walters, you got yourself Bel Federer, John Amanchukwu. I mean, you just got an all star cast. You got so many confirmed speakers to this Educator Summit. When is it? And who in the audience should think about attending?

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah, great question. So this is our fifth annual Educator Summit. Already. We're just a little over four years old and we're already at our fifth Educator Summit, which is great this year. Suburban Chicago, Lincolnshire, Illinois. Interesting point of trivia here, Blake, that Lincolnshire was the second Turning Point. Headquarters started in Lamont, and then Lincolnshire was the second before Charlie moved down to Arizona, interestingly. But we're at the Marriott Lincolnshire Resort and June 16 to 19, and this

[Charlie Kirk]

is June 1616 to 19 in Lincolnshire, Illinois.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Correct. Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

So who should consider going?

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

You know, in the years that we've been doing this, which again as I said this is our fifth year, we have had a great mix of public school teachers and administrators, maybe about a third, a third Christian school, private school teachers and administrators, about a third or so, maybe 40% homeschooling parents. And then we, we have some other folks, we have some pastors, we have some school board members, we have people that are interested in being education advocates. So I would say in answer to your question, is anybody who's interested in making a difference in the field of education and even more specifically making a difference for the lives of these children that you know are currently being indoctrinated if they're in the public government school sector and want to make a be a voice and help make a difference in the world of education.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I have spoken with a number of these kind of startup schools. It's a big, big community of startup schools in the Arizona and state of Arizona because of the child tax credit that was passed. We have full school choice in Arizona. It's amazing. If you want to break the back of the teachers union, you break their monopoly on education by the way, they're fighting that like crazy. And we're going to get it, we're going to do some highlight that of how. So Arizona has this great school choice, pass it under Governor Ducey. And now they're trying, they got all these ballot referendums and things like this to claw back power over students education and it's a total disaster. It's perfect the way it is right now and they need to get their hands out of the cookie jar. They want their money back because there's money per pupil in most states. All right, so that's one thing. Okay, now you've got this prep year turning point education prep year. Who should be considered? Who needs to hear about this and what is it?

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Well, prep year is one of our major initiatives and it's our newest initiative. We have five major things that we're doing, Andrew. One is we're starting schools across the country. The second is the educator summit that we've just talked about. And by the way, any of your listeners, viewers today, if they're interested, they can go to our website, turningpointed.com it's all one word, turningpointed.com and if they enter the code CK show, okay, they get a 30 discount off of the price.

[Charlie Kirk]

No kidding. I didn't even know they were doing that. Okay. TurningPointed.com.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

yep.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then what's the code again? It's CK show and they get 30% off a prep year. Wow.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

30 off of the Educator.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, Educator Summit. Okay. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Okay, great.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah, the prep here, that's, that's a deal in itself. But I think just wanted to mention that because.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I'm glad you did.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

The price is already unbelievably cheap. It's $50. So it's 30% off of $50.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, perfect.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

And so that would be a great opportunity to take advantage of all these wonderful speakers that you met mentioned. And that includes meals, programming costs, and the hotel rooms are already, already greatly reduced. Yep. So prep year, though, that is one of our major initiatives. We're excited about it. We launched this past year down in Fort Worth, Texas. Interestingly, from here, I'm literally leaving here and I'm flying down to Fort Worth, Texas for graduation. We've had these students for nine months. It's been a wonderful nine months in this kind of pilot launch. And basically what it is, is post high school, prior to going on to the next stage of life. So many students today, unlike when I graduated from high school, everybody went to, to college. But today kids are actually asking the question, why should I go to college? Even my own daughter, who's 16, saying, you know, I'm not sure I'm going to go to college. Why am I, why should I go to college? I think it's healthy that students are actually asking that question. And of course, Charlie was leading the charge about, you know, college being a ripoff and a scam and a scam.

[Charlie Kirk]

They got the book back here somewhere.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Right, right. And so I know that his influence was huge with these students, but we thought, and I went to Charlie and said, Charlie, you're always talking about the kids not going to college. You know, I understand, we're in agreement on that. But let's design a program that will prepare them for life irrespective of whether they go on to college or go into the military, the trades, the arts, entrepreneurship, become a homemaker. So we designed a nine month intensive leadership development program where we studied the great book, which of course is the Bible, the great books of Western civilization. Blake, you would appreciate that the great documents of our country, with great speakers and mentors and experiences that we give these kids.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's an incredible immersive, skill based experiences too.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yes. Because we want to give them practical skills that are going to serve them the rest of life. So we teach them Personal finance, we teach them firearms training, we teach them how to cook. But those are things in the afternoon, make no mistake. It is a hardcore academic program, but it's also very practically oriented.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, you had a question?

[Blake]

Well, I was thinking, you mentioned great books. Do you have some good examples? Like what's, what are some of the highlights of that?

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Well, you know, the great Western classics that you would study. You know, the philosophers, you know, Aristotle, Plato, you know, Plato's Republic, you know, Descartes, some of those, those works. And then other great works of literature, some Shakespeare and others that are regarded as really core Western literature. And of course, we can't do it all, but, you know, so many of the kids coming out today have no training in biblical worldview. They have no understanding of classical Western classical literature at all. They don't get that. They get social studies just as an anecdote.

[Blake]

So I have a friend who is still in Hanover where I went to school at Dartmouth. This is an Ivy League school. And he says, kids, they come in, they're really fried. AI, he says, has made things really bad. So, for example, you at least used to have to think up questions to ask even if you hadn't read the book. Now they ask AI to generate the questions for them because they can't even handle that level of thought. Just tell me what to ask about

[Charlie Kirk]

this in class if you want to be humbled. And I'd actually be curious how you do, Blake, because you're probably one of the few I know that would do fairly well. But like, if you want to be humbled, go check out like, Oxford, their, their freshman initiation, like essays, questions from like 1900.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the, the level of understanding of our classical literature, the classical canon of the, of Western civilization was just tremendous. I mean, it blew me away. It would blow me away every time. But we've really lost. We've really lost something. We're going to be back with Hut's Hertzberg, Dr. Hutz Hertzberg in just a minute.

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right, I want to tell you guys about why Refi this. We are, of course, at the Y Refi studio here in Phoenix, Arizona, and they are amazing people. We're all in with the folks over at Y Refi. And they have. They are. So. They are capitalists. I keep saying this, but I want to explain it a little bit more. We had Lane on from Y Refi, and he did a great job explaining the business model, because they are capitalists that have solved a problem that the government has screwed up. So all this talk from mom, Donnie, free grocery stores and all this crap, it's all going to fall into disrepair and ruin and disaster, and it's going to be a huge waste of money. We all know that. Because when government actors get involved, there's not the same incentive structure. But when private groups like YREFI get involved in fixing something like student loans, guess what? They crush it. And that's why it takes, on average, 20 plus years for a nurse to pay off loans through the government. Guess how long it does with Y Refi once they take over the loan? 10 years. They cut it in half. And then they create an opportunity for investors, for students. So if you are an investor, an accredited investor, you have an opportunity here. 10.25% of the fixed interest rate. If you invest with Y Refi invest from one to five years, you can spread your investment over those terms to best suit your needs. When you invest Y Refi, your interest is calculated daily and paid out month. Did you have something, Blake?

[Blake]

Oh, no, I was once you finished the ad.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Blake]

I'm very excited. I looked up the list of books that they have in this.

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[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Well, let me just say first of all, there is so much happening in the world of education. I mean, we could talk, we had time about the Education Department being closed. That's big news. That's major, major department of Education that is going away. We could talk about the terrible test scores that we see almost every week with the researchers coming out. But maybe the most exciting thing is something that was a part of President Trump's big beautiful bill that's called the Education Freedom Tax Credit. You alluded to what's happening in Arizona. Arizona has been a model to other states across the country in terms of education tax freedom, education credit, freedom vouchers, esa.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's amazing. Somebody just moved here and I'm telling you, you get, I think it's 7,800, $7,500 per pupil. So your student. And so what a lot of the schools do is they'll say, well, it's one to one to send your student to this school, it's $7,500 a year or 8,500. So they supplement massively the cost and you get all these classical schools popping up, these Christian schools popping up, and these are business people that decide to start a school and then they bring in all these educators and it's, I'm telling you, it's a really amazing culture that's being cultivated here.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

You know, and so many states across the country, you know, look at that and just drool. I mean, people in the states, not necessarily the state governors, our state where we're located, which is in Illinois, I mean, we don't even have a crumb that is anything close to this at all in our state. But I say all that just to say that in some ways because of the Education Freedom Tax Credit, it's going to be somewhat moot, but not completely because this is a great start. It's not the whole enchilada. But we're so thankful that in the big beautiful bill, President Trump included a provision. It's called the Education Freedom Tax Credit and it's a dollar to dollar tax credit. So you can give up to $1,700, designate that to a designated scholarship granting organization. They're called SGOs. And we've already identified one that turn with turning Point that we're going to be working with with our schools and parents. And these parents can make a gift through the SGO to directly Benefit their child, their school. And it's not just for tuition. It can be for technology, it can be for books. Okay, so supplies.

[Charlie Kirk]

If I have a student and I want to send my child to a private school, I can go onto Turning point education website turningpointed.com and maybe not now, but you'll have an SGO there that you can work with. They'll send the money to your kids school. So that could help with tuition.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

100%. 100%. And actually, and just to give the name of the SGO is Ace Scholarships out of Denver, Colorado. We're very excited to be working with them.

[Charlie Kirk]

They share amazing.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah, we share their values.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

And they totally get what we're doing. We get what they're doing. But, but here's the tragic part again. Half the states, you know, have not opted. I think there's actually 31 that have opted into this and then there's a few that are waffling. But states like Illinois, and you alluded to this earlier, Andrew, the teacher unions hold such sway over these.

[Charlie Kirk]

I loathe the teachers unions.

[Blake]

The best sign, by the way that that education tax credit is amazing is it just drives the teachers unions berserk. They constantly are trying to get rid of this. I know, I know. They're trying to get something on the

[Charlie Kirk]

ballot right now to, in Arizona, they have two different buildings.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

They're both, and they're both terrible.

[Charlie Kirk]

One's less terrible, but they're both terrible.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah, yeah. So again this, this is now at the national level. Some, like Arizona had been the bellwether, the lead on this. But others in other states now have had to have their own version. About 25, 26 states have some kind of form of tax credit vouchers. Now 31 states as of just a couple days ago have opted into President Trump's education tax Freedom credit. The state has to opt in. And so, but here's the part that people don't understand. Even though we live in Illinois and our governor has not opted in and he says still considering it, the only reason he'll opt in is because he just will get too much pressure. But we can still take advantage of the tax credit. But that money is going to leave the state of Illinois. So you've got hundreds, thousands of families that want to take advantage of this dollar to dollar tax credit. They go through the sgo, but their own school in our state can't benefit from it. In other words, their child's school, our child's school will not be able to benefit. But I Can benefit a school in Arizona and, you know, whatever other state is participating in the program.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, like, grandparents watching this right now, they could take advantage of this.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

One of their grandkids in another state.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

That's that. Exactly. Exactly.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do we have a list of the states that have opted in our website? Can we get something like that?

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

I'm sure we can get it. It's. It's known. It's 30 probably states.

[Blake]

Which states have.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of a Republican governor or not.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Yeah, that's exactly. Right now, there is a couple democratic ones. One that was a little bit surprising is the. The governor of Colorado has opted in Paulus. Yeah. And there's reasons why he's doing that. But we hope eventually that the pressure will be so great that all the states will opt in because again, the governor, the schools are losing money.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well, it's insane. I mean, can you imagine turning down money just because you're so beholden to the teachers unions? I'm telling you, the teachers union. We got to break the back of the teachers union. They're ruining so much. It's like teachers unions, feminism, mass migration. It's like there's like a top five things that are ruining the country, and it's one of them. Dr. Hutz, thank you so much for coming on. Great work that you're doing at turning point education. Let's keep going.

[Dr. Hutz Hertzberg]

Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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