FAITH AND FREEDOM WITH SHEMANE NUGENT, FEBURARY 1ST, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Real America's Voice: Faith and Freedom with Shemane Nugent

Episode Date: February 1, 2026
Host: Shemane Nugent (with guests John Pounders and Corinne Clifford)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Faith and Freedom" with Shemane Nugent dives into unconventional but increasingly mainstream discussions about spirituality, UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), Nephilim, time travel, and disaster response. Through candid conversations with researcher John Pounders and journalist Corinne Clifford, the show explores connections between biblical narratives, modern mysteries, and pressing current events—all delivered through the lens of faith, discernment, and American values.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spiritual Interpretation of UAPs and Extraterrestrial Phenomena

Guest: John Pounders
Timestamps: 03:38 – 12:07

• Nature of UAPs: Are they extraterrestrial, interdimensional, biblical, or all of the above?
  • John cites various theories: demonic entities, ancient humans, technologically advanced civilizations, or reverse-engineered crafts.
  • Notable belief in certain spiritual communities that UAP/alien encounters may be connected to biblical "fallen angels" or Nephilim narratives.
• Historical and Cultural Parallels: References to indigenous Hopi "Ant People" and Sumerian Anunnaki as ancient alien-like beings, suggesting historic cross-cultural mentions of non-human entities.

"Classically, most people have automatically chalked up UFOs or alien activity to demonic entities, which I'm sure that many of it is, much of it is... But there's also scenarios now to where people have reversed crafts... So calling them extraterrestrial maybe."
— John Pounders [04:02]

• Efficacy of Spiritual Protection:
  • Anecdotal accounts of people invoking Jesus’ name during abduction-like experiences, experiencing immediate relief in some cases.
  • John emphasizes the uncertainty but affirms his faith that "the power of God is able to help people with these things."

"I've been talking about this subject since really since 2016... the vast majority of people who've contacted me have been able to be free from these scenarios based off of calling upon the name Jesus."
— John Pounders [07:07]

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2. John Pounders’ Personal Encounter

Timestamps: 07:24 – 12:07

• Experiential Narrative:
  • Describes a terrifying nocturnal incident: paralyzed by electric shock, suffocated by a dark entity, and pursued by mysterious beings after calling on the names Jesus and Yahweh.
  • The episode resolved after prayers and anointing, after which similar disturbances ceased on the property.
• Reflection on the Phenomenon:
  • Draws parallels between his experience and classical "abduction" narratives.
  • Sees the event through a biblical lens, interpreting it as an encounter with demonic, not extraterrestrial, forces.

"If it was anybody else telling me this before I had the experience, I would think they were nuts... So basically what happened... I cried out... for the name Jesus, I actually said Jesus. Yeshua, Yahweh... And then within that instant, it stopped."
— John Pounders [07:31, 08:51]

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3. Time Travel, Prophecy, and the Ingersoll Lockwood Books

Timestamps: 15:02 – 19:07

• "Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey" (1893):
  • Discussed the uncanny resemblance between 19th-century fiction and the Trump family narrative:
    • Main character: Barron Trump with a wealthy father in New York, and a sequel titled "The Last President," featuring political unrest and a cabinet member named Pence.
  • John suggests the author had "esoteric knowledge."
  • Notes that time travel is a subject in ancient literature and modern speculation.
• Broader Implications:
  • The idea that current events mimic old prophecies or literature, leaving space for alternative interpretations of history and destiny.

"...the fact that all of these weird coincidences just don't make sense to me... It's not so far fetched."
— John Pounders [15:51]

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4. The Nephilim, Giants, and Hidden History

Timestamps: 19:07 – 25:04

• Biblical Reference: Genesis 6:4—giants (Nephilim) existed and possibly persisted post-flood.
  • John connects modern UAP/UFO phenomena and advanced technology to influence from these entities.
• Alleged Evidence and Rumors:
  • Example: The Kandahar Giant (Afghanistan), killed and transported by US troops according to testimonial reports—red hair, six fingers, six toes.
  • Belief that certain families claim direct Nephilim ancestry, striving for contact with supernatural entities for wisdom or power.
  • Suggests bones or remains of giants are coveted for occult rituals.
• Cultural and Conspiratorial Overlaps:
  • Notes historical attempts to open portals (e.g., Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard) align with the modern UFO surge.

"You have people like Aleister Crowley who actively were trying to open up portals... around the same time that we start seeing UFOs."
— John Pounders [21:00]

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5. Current Events: California Wildfires and “15-Minute City” Theories

Guest: Corinne Clifford
Timestamps: 28:24 – 38:38

• Firsthand Disaster Account:
  • Corinne details her traumatic experience during the January 2025 fires in Pacific Palisades.
  • Criticizes public officials for lack of preparation, slow emergency response, and political absenteeism.
  • Reports widespread property loss, home insurance shortfalls, slow rebuilding (only 12 homes rebuilt after one year), toxic soil and water post-fires, and loss of family pets.
  • Expresses belief that the disaster was “used” to reshape city planning and potentially “wipe out the middle class” in favor of lucrative redevelopment contracts.

"We have a mayor Karen Bass, we have a governor Gavin Newsom scum, pardon my French, who just doesn't care and they're blocking the repermitting. So we've got a mess in Los Angeles county right now... but we do have a resolution... to get Spencer Pratt elected."
— Corinne Clifford [29:03]

• Skepticism and Accusations:
  • Questions the official narrative, floating the idea the fire served the interests of developers and politicians tied to “15-minute city” urban redevelopment models.

"I think what they're trying to do is build low income housing... Contracts go to Gavin Newsom's friends, families, donors... there's a lot of money to be made in rebuilding."
— Corinne Clifford [35:08]

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6. Faith, Preparedness, and Community

Host Commentary and Listener Mail Timestamps: 40:11 – 47:35

• Preparedness as Responsibility:
  • Shemane reasserts the vital need for physical and spiritual preparedness, referencing scripture and positive listener feedback:
    • "Preparedness is not about fear. It's about responsibility... Faith, wisdom, and discernment walk together." [41:52]
• Faith as Anchor:
  • Draws on stories (e.g. Oryx incident) and psalms for encouragement.
  • Encourages ongoing discussion and biblical literacy as society faces turbulent times.
  • Emphasizes her mission to educate, entertain, and enlighten, not incite panic.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On UAPs and Faith:

  "There's a lot of people that have reached out to me over the years... the vast majority of people who've contacted me have been able to be free from these scenarios based off of calling upon the name Jesus."
  — John Pounders [07:07]

• On Modern Giants:

  "It would weighed about 1100 pounds. It had red hair, which is a common theme in giants and old literature... it had six fingers and six toes..."
  — John Pounders on the Kandahar Giant [22:35]

• Post-Disaster Trauma:

  "It looked like a war zone... Nobody would have imagined in your worst nightmare, you wouldn't have imagined your town, your city looking the way it looked. It looked like a nuclear war hit it."
  — Corinne Clifford [28:24]

• Preparedness and Faith:

  "Preparedness is not about fear. It's about responsibility. And Proverbs 27:12 tells us the prudent see danger and take refuge. Faith, wisdom, and discernment walk together."
  — Shemane Nugent [41:52]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Content Overview | |------------|-------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:36 – 07:24 | UAPs: Nature and Theories | Discussion on UAP phenomena, biblical and conspiracy perspectives | | 07:24 – 12:07 | Personal Encounter with the Paranormal | John Pounders’ detailed account of a spiritual/demonic event and faith-based resolution | | 15:02 – 19:07 | Time Travel & The Trump Prophecies | Examination of “Barron Trump” novels, their connections to present events, and time travel ideas | | 19:07 – 25:04 | Nephilim & The Kandahar Giant | Biblical context for giants, speculation about modern giants, bones, and secrecy | | 28:24 – 38:38 | California Wildfires & Disaster Response | Corinne Clifford shares lived experience, questions motives and management of the crisis | | 40:11 – 47:35 | Preparedness, Listener Mail, and Encouragement | Faith-based coping, importance of preparedness, testimonials from listeners |

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Final Reflections

Theme Recap:
The episode bridges fringe spiritual and cultural conspiracy theories with pressing real-world crises, all underpinned by faith and the conviction that discernment, preparedness, and truth-seeking are key to meeting today’s challenges.

Host’s Closing Message:

“Esther 4:14 reminds us we were born for such a time as this… The Bible never promised a life without trials. It promised a God who walks us through them.”
— Shemane Nugent [49:14]

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Transcript

[Corinne Clifford]

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[Chemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. Hey everybody, welcome to Faith and Freedom. I'm Chemaine Nugent and I am so glad that you're here today because we've got a great show for you. First, what if the greatest deception of our time isn't political or scientific but spiritual? Today we're talking about fallen angels, UAPs and get ready Nephilim. This is a conversation meant to bring clarity, not fear. But first, a new administration in Washington, D.C. has brought a lot of positive changes when it comes to fixing our broken health care system. Hallelujah. The reality is, however, that there's only so much the government can do. And if we really want to make America healthy again, that's got to start at home with each one of us. And that's where the Wellness Company comes in. You see and hear from TWC doctors all the time and you know that their products are the gold standard for keeping you and your family safe and healthy. The Wellness Company gives you the opportunity to make sure you're prepared for whatever happens with their series of prescription medical kits. Now these kits contain an assortment of life saving medications and guidebooks to assist the proper use of these medications. And the Wellness Company offers a variety of products from parasite cleanses to methylene blue to weight loss and so much more that can help you Stay healthy and live a longer and more satisfying life. You know how important health and wellness has been to me. And I only partner with companies who share my values. And that's exactly why I'm partnering with the wellness company Make America Healthy Again. Starts right here at home. So do your part, protect the health of you and your family. Go to TWC Health Shamaine today and order that's TWC Health Shamaine. And use the promo code Guess, guess what it is. Shamaine to save 10%. Okay. Joining me today is John Pounders. He's the host of Pounder's Quest. And it's a show that isn't afraid to go where most conversations stop. From spiritual warfare to UAPs and even time travel. John explores the unseen and the uncomfortable through a lens of discernment and faith. Welcome. Welcome, John.

[John Pounders]

Hello, Chemain. Thank you for having me on here.

[Chemaine Nugent]

I am so glad that you're here. I have been following you for years and you know, people are openly discussing UAPs now. Five years ago, nobody really was, but I have so much to talk to you about. Are UAPS extraterrestrial, interdimensional, biblical, or a combination?

[John Pounders]

Man, you know, that's a tough question to answer knowing that I don't know everything about them. But I'll. But I will say that through my research, it seems like there's a combination going on. Classically, most people have automatically chalked up UFOs or alien activity to demonic entities, which I'm sure that many of it is, much of it is. But there's also scenarios now to where people have reversed crafts. And this is just based off of what the current disclosure, I guess, influencers are talking about and also military operations. I've had the opportunity to talk to different groups that are actively involved in researching these things and they're saying that there are people out there that are actually taking crafts that they found and reverse engineering these crafts and now using some of the technology that they found. So calling them extraterrestrial maybe. And that's, that's one of those things that it's hard to say. I think that anything not from Earth can be considered extraterrestrial. But we also have many people in the government and in the UFO community saying that they think a lot of these things are coming from underneath the ground and like deep underground bunkers and possibly underneath the ocean. I've talked to people who are involved in intelligence that underwater, like they're listening to things underwater and they say there's certain areas that are off limits and that they don't understand what exactly is going on. And then if you go back to legends of like the Hopi, they have these people, they call them the Ant People. And the, the way that they're depicted look very similar to what we describe as gray aliens. But supposedly during the Great Deluge, they took some of the Hopi people underneath the ground so for them to survive, and then brought them back up and taught them how to plant things and do stuff like that. So there's a wide variety, I think, that used, used to be that it would be easy just to chalk it up to fallen angels or nephilim. And then of course, in the secular world, they would say that these are either ancient humans that evolved somehow off in space and then came crashing down and back to Earth again just to harass us. Which, you know, if you look at the old legends about the Anunnaki, that seems to be a possible thing as well. So, you know, I. To answer that question, I, I really would have to know everything in every situation. But there are do seem to be situations, a lot of them. There's a researcher, Joseph Jordan, who was a member of you mufon, and they would go around and investigating UFO abductions scenarios, and he was saying that a lot of people were able to cry out to the name Jesus and be freed from whatever was going on to them at the time. But then there's other stories where people are saying this doesn't work. So I'm not 100 sure where we're at on that, but I do believe that the power of God is able to help people with these things. There's a lot of people that have reached out to me over the years based off my research. I've been talking about this subject since really since 2016. I did a little bit before that, but 2016, after I had my own personal experience, that's when I really started to research this stuff. And it seems like the vast majority of people who've contacted me have been able to be free from these scenarios based off of calling upon the name Jesus.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Okay, you open the door, talk about your personal experience, if you would, for just a few minutes.

[John Pounders]

I will. I'll definitely talk about it. It's. It's a crazy experiment experience. So keep that in mind when you hear it, because if it was anybody else telling me this before I had the experience, I would think they were nuts. So keep that in mind. So basically what happened, I had family members. They all lived on the same property. They were all having very dark experiences. I have Aunt who is mentally challenged. She, when she was younger, she had a fever and it caused her to have the mentality of, I would say 7 to 10 year old. Like she's. She's sometimes in some ways is very smart, but her mentality is very young. But she was complaining that there was this giant man, you know, banging on the side of her house, telling her he's going to kill her. And she kept on having these same scenarios happening. She was telling me about this. I have a little niece who was having an experience where she was seeing some giant being in the corner of her room, sitting in the rocking chair. Another person that lived on the property. They would wake up in the middle of night and start speaking a foreign language, pointing at something. And the only reason I know that it was a foreign language is because her husband was actually. He had his doctorate and he studied ancient languages and he realized what it was. And so there was a lot of freaking out going on in this property. And because of their family, I decided I'm going to go check this out. Because I'd never really experienced anything like this. And I wanted to see if it was something that I could help with. And when I was there, the first night I was there, I was laying in bed and I was praying. And because it felt there's a. Definitely a feeling there in this property. I mean, there was a dark feeling on the property. And so I'm praying and then everything starts to go almost like a pitch black dark to where I couldn't even see inches in front of me. And at that same instance, I get this electric shock that goes right into the back of where my. Where the spine meets the skull. This electric shock, almost like debilitating shock to where it left me paralyzed, to where I couldn't move. And then within, within that same second, I felt this. It felt like somebody dropped elbow dropped me right in the chest and was holding me down. And I could feel. I could smell the breath and feel the breath on my face of whatever this entity was. And in that moment, I. My spirit just kind of left. I think this is what it was. I'm. You know, I'm basing my experiences off what I can remember, but my. My felt like my spirit and my soul left my body and I could. I was flying through, through the ceiling. And then all of a sudden my body came crashing back or my soul came crashing back down into my body. And then while I was still being held there, I. I cried out and then for the name Jesus, I actually said Jesus. Yeshua, Yahweh. You know, any name I could think of that I was like this because I was terrified. And I wasn't even saying it out loud. It was inside. And then within that instant, it stopped. I could. I could feel the arm or whatever was on top of me, like, retracting. And the light started flashing. I rolled over into the floor, off the bed, because I could finally move again. And I crawled into the next room. And while I was in the next room, I turned around to look back into the room I was just in, because my wife was still in there. It was still pitch black, dark. And behind me, there were entities of some sort. I don't know if they're human, what they were, but they were bright. And I was scared to turn my head around and look because I didn't know what they were. After the experience I just had, I was very frightened. And they said, come with us. Everything will be okay. Just come with us. And I told them, I said, I don't want to go with you. My wife's in there. There. There's something in this room, and I want to make sure to get rid of it. And then, boom, they were gone. Everything went back to normal. The. The room was not. Wasn't lit up before, but it wasn't pitch dark. And I could feel that, you know, whatever was there was gone. And so that very night, I went back to sleep. And the next day, we prayed over the property and anointed. I anointed the door posts. I did all these different things because I was like, whatever's going on here, in my opinion, it feels demonic. It feel. It didn't feel like something natural at the time. And I was a new believer, so I didn't really understand all of the different things, but it seemed to work. They haven't had any experiences at this property ever since. And then, since when I started telling people about this, people were constantly giving me their stories because they're all so very similar to what we hear about in abductions. And I. I didn't really believe it was an adoption. I believe. Believed it was demonic. And maybe that's what save me through that. But very interesting experience.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Wow. Well, John, thank you so much for sharing that. And you got to stick around for one more segment at least. And you're going to have to come back because I want to get into the deep down into the rabbit hole, so to speak, and talk about time travel and Ingersoll Lockwood's book about Barron Trump. All right, can you stick around one more segment.

[John Pounders]

I can stick around. Yeah, that's going to be an interesting topic. I'm excited about that one.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Okay, don't go away everyone. We'll be right back.

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[Chemaine Nugent]

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[Chemaine Nugent]

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[John Pounders]

Hello, Nice to have, Nice to be back. I know our last segment, hopefully people didn't get too weirded out by what I said there.

[Chemaine Nugent]

But you know what? I started out by saying more and more people are talking about this openly. So thank goodness for this Internet of things that we have now and for this opportunity that we have to communicate here. You've explored the idea of time travel on your show and one example that keeps resurfacing is Barron Trump's marvelous underground journey by Ingersoll Lockwood. Okay. The name Barron Trump, the wealthy father, New York as the backdrop. And then the sequel, the Last President, where there's political unrest and even a cabinet member named Pence. Come on now, is this just a strange coincidence from the 1800s? What are your thoughts?

[John Pounders]

It's a really strange book. I've read the entire book and I actually went through it kind of the first few chapters with almost a fine tuned tooth comb because I, I happen to study a lot of esoteric things, a lot of, a lot of ancient books, and this one is definitely written by someone who has esoteric knowledge because then even the names, like I believe Don Foom is the name of the, the person who brought Baron through the, the portals. His name means the fiddler. Like the, like a master fiddler, which I don't know if you remember the song by Charlie Daniels about the fiddle player, but it's interesting. And the way that they even travel through the tunnels seemed to make sense scientifically where they've covered their body full of over with graphite lead to be able to slide through these portals. But there's so many weird things about this that I just, you can't just pass up and I don't. The fact that it's. All of the things you just said, all of these weird coincidences just don't make sense to me. And even with, with Donald Trump, which I really do like Donald Trump, I have enjoyed, I've enjoyed him being President. He's not only entertaining, but he's also seems to have the best interest for America in mind, at least from, from my point of view. But there's things about him that are just strange. Like he predicted the World Trade center on, on a live news broadcast. I don't know if you guys have that pulled up, but he was on a live broadcast talking about that happening. There's other instances where it sounds like his voice calling in about time travel on coast to coast, weird stuff like that. That just doesn't make sense. And I know recently with all of the things going on in the world about, you know, riots and stuff happening. It doesn't seem too far fetched that that could happen in the near future. And the idea that is, you know, the Baron is the guy's name and he lives in New York basically in the same. Is actually on the same street where Trump Towers is. There's just so many, is so strange. I don't, I don't know what to make of it, but time travel seems to be something that is talked about even in ancient sources and something that a lot of people nowadays believe to be possible. I'm not so sure, but, but it definitely seems that way.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Well, I have met President Trump, had dinner with him at the White House, saw him at Mar a Lago about a year ago in February and a couple of other occasions, probably half a dozen other occasions. And I know Don Trump Jr. He's an avid hunter. Along with my husband, we've done some shows together and things like that. Never met Barron, never met Melania, never met Ivanka, never met Eric. Laura's been on my show too. Laura Trump. But, you know, I just don't know what to make of it. And all of these things, from UAPs to Nephilim and you know, time travel people now are speaking out about this. And you know, Amos 3, 7 says the Lord reveals his secret. Do you think that that's what's going on right now with all of this?

[John Pounders]

Yeah, I think it started in 2020. It re. I think all. A lot of things were revealed. A lot of the underbelly of society was revealed in a heavy way. And I think that this year we'll probably get the disclosure that we're after. You know, all of this goes back to, at least, I think a lot of it goes back to in the Bible. You were talking about nephilim here, Genesis 6 where it says the sons of God came to the daughters of men and they had children and they were Nephilim, they were called giants in the earth in those days and also after that. So we have this exploration of giants that takes place before the flood and even after the flood. And if you go further into the book of Enoch, you'll see that these Nephilim, when they died, when their physical bodies died, they became evil spirits here on earth to destroy mankind. And it looks like a lot of the technologies that we're receiving today, whether it be AI, an aai, could be a great thing, right? It could be a possible great thing, but it also has the power to actively destroy humanity. I think 60% of the creators of different kinds of AI OpenAI, even Elon Musk are saying that there's a really good chance that this could end humanity. And so when you look at the thread that's going on, there's, there's families in this world that claim to be descendants of what we would call Nephilim, like biblical dissidents. And there's a book written by Lawrence Gardner where he was, he was actually a 33rd degree Freemason, and he was also the genealogist for many of the kings of the world. And they all claim lineage from these ancient beings that we would call Nephilim. And so whether or not they are or not, they believe that they possibly are. And a lot of them are trying to make contact with UFOs with entities in order to receive wisdom. I mean, even Nikola Tesla, he said that he received all of his information from the Prana, which in the Vedic text, that's kind of the, the equivalent to what we would call the ether being able to receive from the, the records, the Akashic records, all of these different technologies. And you even have people like Aleister Crowley who actively were trying to open up portals, weirdly enough, around the same time that we start seeing UFOs. Like, we didn't start seeing UFOs until like the 40s. That's, that's when we started in America, really seeing these things. And you have people like Jack Parsons, who is Jack, the guy that worked for NASA, that making rockets, who was a part of the Ordo Templo Orientes. He was in the same right as Aleister Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard. Both of them, they did a ritual to open up portals. So there's a lot of stuff that, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you look at it through biblical terms. But when you look at it through biblical terms, it only makes sense that the, possibly the enemy and his army are now ramping up and maybe even producing technologies that we might think are good, but they're actually here to ruin us. And I hope that answered your question. But.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Yeah, you, you talked about Genesis 4 and in biblical 6:4. Sorry, and in biblical terms, I mean, it says Genesis 6:4. There were giants in the earth in those days, so why would we, if we believe the Bible to be true, we got to believe that. And I, I've only got a couple minutes left. You talked about the Candahar Giant in one of your previous shows. Do you think that was a Nephilim?

[John Pounders]

I definitely think so. Based off the testimonies of the people who saw it, which there are a couple that have come forward and a lot of these people had to shield their face etc. But they were saying that on this C130 that they were transporting it on, it would weighed about 1100 pounds. It had red hair, which is a common theme in giants and old literature. Red hair, very, very pale skin. It had been dead a couple days, so it smelled putrid. But it had also had six fingers and six toes, which is another common trait you'll find biblically in some of the giants that were after the Flood. So that six finger, six toad is. Is a common, common theme with those. And so in Afghanistan it'd be the perfect place for people to. For them to hide because there's nothing but mountain ranges. But I think that it. If there are Nephilim that are still. If there are giants. I didn't see this thing myself, so I'm going off of somebody's word. But if there are, I believe this is close to what you can imagine them to be like in, in the Bible, Goliath, they had. He had six fingers and six toes. That's what it says about Goliath in, in the scriptures. And so it sounds very similar to what we are experiencing. I don't think that there's tons of them around on the earth there. I mean it could be if you tie it into all the Sasquatch sightings that people are starting to see now, that could have something to do with these entities. They seem to be almost supernatural, at least like I said, based off of other people's. I've never seen one. I have been in the woods before and I've noticed some very strange things. And I'm sure your husband's been in the woods way more than me. So if there's Sasquatch out there, he's probably seen him. If. If there are, but people try to lump that in with it. I don't know if that's correct way to, to look at it. But yeah, I definitely think it was a giant if what was being said was true.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Do you have any idea? We only have a minute left. Do you have any idea where that giant you said they. It was on a C130. Where is it now?

[John Pounders]

I don't know. I wish I knew. I would love to examine it. But I think that a lot of people in the occult want these giants, they want the bones for some reason. There's a lot of rituals that have to do with these entities that they would really want to get their hands on that body. So it wouldn't surprise me that if all the bones, even though we blame the Smithsonian for collecting them, a lot of them are being used for occultic rituals because these people believe that they can get power from these entities and speak to these entities by having personal effects of them.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Wow. John Pounders of Pounder's quest on YouTube. Find him, follow him John, thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate, appreciate it.

[John Pounders]

Thank you Shamayne. I appreciate it too.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Hope you come back and maybe we'll find that giant. I don't know if somebody knows about it, email me@shamayne chat gmail.com Fascinating, isn't it? If you have any comments about this. Yeah. Reach out to me, email it because I'm actually writing about this. So I would love to hear your thoughts and comments. All right guys, don't go away. We'll be right back.

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[Corinne Clifford]

I am so grateful to be with you today, Charmaine, because what we really need is faith and freedom in Pacific Palisades, in Malibu, in Pasadena, in Eaton and the Eaton fires and the LA fires. It looked like a war zone. And I lived through it. And it was the most traumatic experience I think any of us had ever been through. Nobody would have imagined in your worst nightmare, you wouldn't have imagined your town, your city looking the way it looked. It looked like a nuclear war hit it.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Were you actually there when the fires erupted or did you escape ahead of time?

[Corinne Clifford]

I was actually there. My family has multiple houses in Pacific Palisades because I grew up in Pacific Palisades. I went to Palisades High School in usc. So this is my hometown. We also had a couple houses in Malibu that burned to the ground. And you know, it sounds a little bit obnoxious when I say this because everybody thinks that we're all so rich, but when you have everything that you own burned to the ground, you're pretty much left with nothing. And then the insurance doesn't cover most things. And then we have a mayor Karen Bass, we have a governor Gavin Newsom scum, pardon my French for saying it that way. I think you would agree with me who just doesn't care and they're blocking the repermitting. So we've got a mess in Los Angeles county right now. But we do have a resolution, Charmaine, and that is to get Spencer Pratt elected. Spencer Pratt should be elected the next mayor of Los Angeles. And he really has shown the resolve to really clean up Los Angeles. So Spencer Pratt as mayor and Alex Villanueva as sheriff. And then we have a chance to make Los Angeles great again. This is the town that I grew up in. It's beautiful. It's on the ocean. I'm sure you've been here. We're all in shock that this fire happened on January 7, 2025. And what many people don't know is that the fire burned for not just one day. Our houses burned. Day two, day three, day four. The fire wasn't even contained for over 30 days.

[Chemaine Nugent]

And so much of this just baffles my mind. Were you able to get back? And I've heard stories that they're holding up construction permits, and they wouldn't let people get back to their homes to extract valuable personal items and even pets. Did you ever experience any of that?

[Corinne Clifford]

You know, 12 people died in Pacific Palisades, and 31 people, they're counting, died in all of Los Angeles during the fires in January 2025. But I think it's more in Los Angeles county. And I think that the pet situation is so traumatic for so many people. My family actually has a pet charity, and we don't even know the correct counts. People had maybe 45 minutes to evacuate. I was right there in Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades, if you understand Los Angeles, it's Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades. Then it goes into Topanga Canyon, then it goes into Malibu. So it's right on the ocean. Why didn't we use ocean water to stop the fires? Why were there no firefighters in all of the neighborhoods that my family had houses in? Why were there people like Rick Caruso, who knew two or three days before, and he was able to hire private firefighters and save his shopping mall, which is probably one of the most beautiful, expensive shopping malls in all of the United States of America? Maybe Worth Avenue on Palm beach is more expensive, but maybe not. So there's a lot of questions and no answers. And, you know, people say what you think happens to you. Well, in my entire life, Pacific Palisades was like the most perfect community in all the entire world. And I've traveled everywhere. We never thought this could happen. So with 45 minutes to evacuate, you can imagine the traffic, you can imagine the chaos, and you can imagine that 12 elderly people suffocated to death in the fires. And then what no one is telling you is that if you went into the fire zone. Of course, I'm a journalist. I used my press passes. I got over the fire blockade. It wasn't that hard to do with my press pass. On day two, well, people don't realize that the soot, the ash, the smoke burn. My whole nose was bleeding for days and days. I got stuck day two trying to help one of the houses that we own in my family. And I had to call 911 on my satellite phone to get me out of there. So everyone should have a satellite phone from sat123.com. But more than that, Charmaine, you've got to be prepared for any emergency. So you have to have your important paperwork in a safe in a Faraday bag that's waterproof, fireproof. You have to be able to evacuate. They gave us 45 minutes. We were getting Amber alerts. We didn't have the sheriff, we didn't have the police drive down the street and say, evacuate. We had nothing. And so I had to talk to people around me, the neighbors. I thought, oh, I'm a journalist, I'll be okay. But when I went back on day two, the blood from my nose, the burn, the ash in the air, that could kill anyone. So let me tell you, a lot of animals died, and we don't have the exact numbers because it's so traumatic for all of us to understand that we couldn't save our animals. And that is a big issue. And I'm just traumatized by that. But now, today, one year later, we have zero plan. We have zero plan from LA city, Louisiana. County, nothing, nada. Nothing, nothing. And I'm a journalist. I've talked to the mayor, I've talked to the sheriff, I've talked to everybody. The mayor was in Africa, the sheriff was in Carlsbad. Gavin Newscomb was here in Los Angeles watching everything burn. And you know what I found out? I found out that potentially he allowed it to happen, to collect the taxes. There's a lot of taxes, billions of dollars in taxes that are going to be made to Los Angeles, to California in the rebuilding of all of our houses.

[Chemaine Nugent]

I've only got a couple minutes left, but I want to touch on. Do you think that this was a manufactured fire to wipe it out so that they could rebuild a 15 minute city and rebuild what they wanted to? Anyway?

[Corinne Clifford]

Los Angeles is already a 15 minute city, so that's already done. But I think what they really want in Pacific Palisades is they want to wipe out the middle class. Many of the houses were owned by generations and generations. And I think what they're trying to do is build low income housing. That housing is only low income for what, 20 years, 18 years, 25 years. And then the Contracts go to Gavin Newscomb's friends, families, donors. So there's a lot of money to be made in rebuilding Pacific Palisades and rebuilding Pasadena Altadena and rebuilding Malibu. And I think that Gavin Newscombe knew that because he watched it all burn and he did nothing. Honestly, he did nothing.

[Chemaine Nugent]

It's just heartbreaking. Were you able to start rebuilding any of your homes?

[Corinne Clifford]

So basically, the soil is the problem. When everything in your house burns, it corrupts, it pollutes the soil. The water is destroyed for years and years. I have friends and family that are losing their hair because they move back into their destroyed houses to rebuild. And the water they're using is toxic. So this is going to take eight to 10 years to clean up. And there are certain plants, there's certain mushrooms you can plant to basically clean up the soil. But right now, I wouldn't live in the Palisades. I wouldn't live in the fire zone. I was there a couple days ago and I almost passed out. The air, if you breathe the wind, if you breathe all the toxins in the air, it is the most traumatic experience. But also it's very toxic. And in the future, we don't know if we're going to get lung cancer from this. So this is a serious problem because we have an ocean. We could have used ocean water. Why didn't we have planes using ocean water? I filmed the whole entire experience. I never saw any airplanes dumping ocean water anywhere. I had friends who went to their houses at 3am and saved their houses by putting water from bottled water onto their houses in specific locations. But it was that traumatic and no one's talking about it. I have friends who were stuck in their houses for 10 days because they couldn't get in and out. Nobody brought them food, nobody brought them water. And there were looters. People were stealing already. So the real truth about the LA fires, no one's talking about. So I'm so grateful to be on your program today and really explain to people that we had one of the biggest tragedies in California history happen. And we have to make sure Gavin Newsom never has a political career again. And also, Karen Bass needs to never have a political career again. She destroyed Los Angeles and so did.

[Chemaine Nugent]

Gavin Newscomb, and there's no accountability. That's what's the most frustrating for people, those of us who weren't in California watching all of this take place. Karine, thank you so much for being here. Spencer Pratt for mayor for la. And just a couple of seconds. How can people find you and follow you.

[Corinne Clifford]

So I'm in the White House press corps, and it's important to go on X at Corinne Clifford. C O R I N N E C L I F O R D with one F on X. And follow all the news shows. I do. I don't have my new own news show yet, but I do, you know, three to 10 news shows a day and I always talk about relevant news. So if you ever need me again, God bless you and peace to everyone out there, because that's all we have right now, is God and Spencer Pratt and Alex Villanueva as Sheriff Spencer as LA mayor. And he's incredible. I'm sure you've met him. He's wonderful.

[Chemaine Nugent]

God bless you. Thank you so much for joining me. And don't go away, everybody. We'll be right back.

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I was watching his show on Rav when he said, to be unarmed is to be helpless. And that really hit me. So I took a step and purchased a revolver and got training. I pray I'll never need it, but I will be prepared. I'm grateful to you and Ted for all that you do on educating and sharing your knowledge. Love your show, faith and freedom, and thank you so much. That message means so much to me. I really appreciate it. Again, I didn't share that oryx encounter. You know, I thought about it and it doesn't put me in a good light, so why would I share it? But it was my son Rocco that said, no, you actually need to. You need to be truthful about what went on. And. And my whole point in being here and doing this show is that if anything that I do or say can educate, enlighten, or entertain you, then it's worthwhile. So hopefully that did. Okay, so preparedness is not about fear. It's about responsibility. And Proverbs 27:12 tells us the prudent see danger and take refuge. Faith, wisdom, and discernment walk together. Here's another message now. This one's from Theresa. Hi, Shamayne. Every time I watch your show, I see something so interesting and I always feel like reaching out. But after today's show, I felt like it was time. I'm so glad that you are okay. After the scare that you had in the comfort of your own surroundings. It was good that you shared the story. I've been putting off purchasing a handgun for 10 years. I'm so glad that there are other people questioning everything like you do. I watch a show when I can and I tell people about it. We all went to Lance Cruise high School. Take care, Shamayne, and thank you for always speaking truth to power. Love your moniker for such a time as this. So true, Teresa. Thank you and for those of you who don't know, I went to Lance Cruise as well. So go Lancers. It's a little town in Mount Clemens, Michigan. You know, asking questions isn't rebellion, it's trusting our instincts. And that's what I want to do here on Faith and Freedom. I ask questions and I bring on people that you might not see on any other show. For example, John Pounders talking about Nephilim and the Giants. But it's important. It's discernment. And being prepared doesn't mean that you lack faith or live in fear. First Peter 5:8. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy, the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. So this is not a call to panic when I shared that video with you last week and on my social media, I just want you to be aware and like Corrine talked about in her segment, last segment about the California fire, it can happen so quickly and we have to be prepared. Having faith doesn't mean that you ignore reality. So I pray Psalm 91 over my life, my family and even my dogs every day. And I believe that God protected Sadie and I from that oryx. There's no question it could have ended much worse. But before we close out, I want to talk about, there's a new show on Revolution with Alex Stein. So you gotta check out his show. It's, it's after hours with Alex Stein, weekdays, 11pm Eastern. I can't wait to watch that. And then I want to share something else with you. We had another. We had a bunch of emails last week at SHIM. If you want to email me shamine.chatgmail.com and people were asking about my skin care and makeup and everything. Well, one of my sponsors here, one of the best parts about this show is I get incredible sponsors. This is Rho Casa Organics. R O W E Rho Casa Organics. They sent me this box. I'm going to show you what's in this box. So these are the products that I use because they're organic. Like if you had to, I'm not saying you could, but do you ever put on makeup and your eyes itch or your face feels funny or maybe even breaks out? You won't with Ro Castle Organics. This is what I use. But they sent me something. I'm super excited. I haven't tried it yet. It's brand new. So here's the exfoliating microderm scrub and makeup remover. We got face cream and we've Got eye cream. And this is the new. I'm so excited about this. This is a lash and brow serum. Come on, y'.

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And I want to share one more thing that brought a smile to my face. Cindy sent in a few photos of her dogs. Animals have a way of reminding us of God's goodness in the simplest ways. They help lower our blood pressure, force us to slow down, take a walk, and live in the present. They don't worry about tomorrow. They don't live in fear. So thank you, Cindy, for sharing a little light with us today. And if you'd like to share your story, your thoughts or prayer requests, email me@shemaine chatmail.com and I wanted to remind you, yes, I do end this show with Esther 414. Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. I firmly believe we're all here for a reason. These are exciting times, I feel, and I know a lot of people do, too. You know, we could say these. These are the end times. And Pastor Anthony has said it before that if this was a basketball game, it'd be halfway through or 3/4 of the way through the fourth quarter, but we still don't know. Nobody knows the time or day, but things are happening at lightning pace. And God is still at work. So I want to encourage you, if you've never opened the Bible, just open it. Just grab one, go to the bookstore, get a Bible, order one, get your hands on the oldest Bible you can. That Bible, I don't know if you could see it down in the corner, is from 1873. Maybe I should spend one show or at least one segment going through that because there are some things that are different in there. So I want to encourage you all to listen to this show over again. Go back and watch the first couple of segments with John Pounders. It's exciting. And it's not just information about, you know, trying to gain excitement or undo, you know, encouraging encouragement for headlines. It's about what is happening in the world today and why the world feels so unsteady and how it relates to the Bible. The Bible gives us faith that, you know, we're not in control. It's just like that encounter I had with the Oryx. I wasn't in control, but that Oryx could have skewered me and my dog. And I do think that praying over my dogs, my home and my property really did help. So. All right, guys. We're seeing things play out in real time. People are searching for truth. Families are waking up through loss and disruption, and communities are being tested. But the. The Bible never promised a life without trials. It promised a God who walks us through them. When everything around you feels uncertain, God doesn't change. When what you thought was stable is gone. God is always with us. Esther414 reminds us we were born for such a time as this. I'll see you right here next week. God bless you.

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