FAITH AND FREEDOM WITH SHEMANE NUGENT, SEPTEMBER 14TH 2025

Summary

Faith and Freedom with Shemane Nugent – September 14th, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice | Host: Shemane Nugent | Notable Guests: Scott Baio, Eric (Instagram influencer), Pastor Anthony Thomas

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Faith and Freedom” is a powerful mix of faith-centered cultural commentary, candid reflections on current events, and moving conversations about personal loss, American values, and stewardship of both people and nature. Shemane welcomes actor Scott Baio for an honest discussion of cancel culture, public faith, and civic action, before talking with Eric, whose anti-vaccine social media drew attention from President Trump, and Pastor Anthony Thomas, who offers biblical insight into the spiritual role of animals and ethical hunting. The show also pays heartfelt tribute to Charlie Kirk following his tragic death.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scott Baio on Faith, Cancel Culture, and Civic Responsibility

[03:37–12:41]

Standing Up Despite “Cancel Culture”

• Baio’s Motivation to Speak Out:

  • Grew up with faith as a core value and sees a need for Americans to return to those roots.
  • Noted a cultural shift where “Christianity seemed to…be a joke.” (06:12)
  • “You don’t have to be a holy roller... just believe.” – Scott Baio [06:34]

• Facing Cancel Culture:

  • Openly discusses being “canceled” after supporting Donald Trump at the 2016 RNC. (07:42)
  • Quote: “I got canceled in 2016… I want my country to be my country again.” – Scott Baio [07:42]
  • Expresses disappointment at newcomers to America disregarding traditional values.

• Christian Civic Duty:

  • Discusses the problem of Christian voter apathy (~50% don’t vote) and links this to a desire to avoid conflict or government.
  • “A lot of Christians rely so heavily on faith…they don’t think things are going to change, but they are—and not for the better.” – Scott Baio [08:53]
  • Shemane and Baio mourn the public’s apathy in the face of evil (reference to a train incident in North Carolina).

Life Updates and Perspective

• Baio talks about his simple podcast (“We just talk about life…just the things you do every day.” [10:00]) and embracing God’s plan without anxiety: “I try to just go along like a feather in the wind. And wherever God takes me, that’s where I’m going to end up.” [10:43]

Notable Moment – Grieving a Pet

• Baio shares the recent loss of his wife’s seizure-alert dog: “We are still absolutely heartbroken.” – Scott Baio [04:43]
• Shemane responds by offering natural pet supplements and expressing the importance of prayer for pets.

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2. Virality, Vaccines, and the Power of Personal Influence with Eric

[19:19–28:19]

From Anti-Vax Advocacy to Presidential Attention

• Trump Shares Eric’s Instagram Post:

  • Eric discusses his journey from COVID vaccine indifference to activism after seeing side effects.
  • Trump’s sharing of his “they’re all poison, every single one” video brought his message into focus.
  • Expresses hope that even if you feel uninfluential, your voice matters: “Even if you don’t think you have an influence, you do. Even if you don’t think people are watching you, they are.” – Eric [21:38]

• Big Pharma, RFK Jr., and Skepticism:

  • Critique of pharmaceutical industry motives: “I’m just one of those that don’t believe they have our best interest in mind.” – Eric [22:41]
  • Discussions about Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and vaccine injury.

• Faith and Conscience over Partisanship:

  • Encourages viewers to question leadership, even conservative leaders.
  • “There’s no political savior... we need to get down to the family level... to strengthen our ships here.” – Eric [25:37]
  • Shemane recounts advice from Tucker Carlson: “You can only do what you can do.” [27:05]

Memorable Quote

• “Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty… we are supposed to stand for liberty wherever we’re at.” – Eric [27:39]

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3. Faith, Hunting, and Stewardship: A Biblical Balance with Pastor Anthony Thomas

[34:11–43:02; 46:18–54:38]

Animals, Dominion, and Ethical Stewardship

• Biblical Role of Animals:

  • Genesis 1:26: “God created animals for mankind’s enjoyment… Adam named each animal.”
  • Emphasizes balance—stewardship involves using, caring for, and respecting animals (e.g., ethical hunting, not wanton killing).

• Learning from Animal Nature:

  • Proverbs 30: “There are four things…exceedingly wise: the rock badger...”
  • Jesus uses animals symbolically (calling Herod a fox).

• Hunters as Conservationists:

  • Shemane shares how she prays over each hunt for a humane kill and sees hunting as responsible land stewardship.
  • Quote: “Hunters are the best conservationists for the land... I am a responsible steward.” – Shemane Nugent [39:53]
  • Pastor Anthony: “Whoever says ‘thou shalt not kill’ about hunting is biblically ignorant. God himself said: ‘rise, kill and eat.’” [39:58]

• Balance in Biblical Principles:

  • Thomas discusses truth/tension: “You don’t understand grace unless you understand truth.” [41:44]

Animals in the Afterlife

[46:18–54:38]

• Do Our Pets Go to Heaven?

  • Animals have thoughts, emotions, and spiritual capabilities. (Numbers 22: Balaam’s donkey)
  • Proverbs 12:10: “A righteous man regards the life of his animal.”
  • Revelation 19:11: In heaven, “each one of us as believers will have a white horse with our name on it.”
  • Thomas says, “It would not shock me if…that animal may be there with you... what we do know is God loves animals, He created them, and they will be with us in the life to come.” [46:47–49:28]

• Spiritual Intercession for Pets:

  • Shemane shares a personal miracle of a dog’s healing through prayer.
  • Plans for future teaching on animals, spiritual attacks, and prayer.

Supporting the Ministry

• Pastor Thomas is supported only by donations to maintain independence: “I’ve done that specifically so I could preach on topics I want, without someone controlling me.” [53:51]

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4. Tribute and Prayers for Charlie Kirk

[58:05–59:55]

• The episode closes on a somber note after news that Charlie Kirk was shot and killed.
• Panelists (Shemaine, Pastor Anthony, Eric) lead prayers and emotional tributes:
  • “He was a voice of reason… gunned down for daring to be an American.” – Eric [58:08]
  • “Charlie Kirk is a casualty of the political war going on in this country.” – Pastor Anthony [59:46]
  • “He didn’t hate people…it's a painful irony that he may have died at the hands of some intolerant person.” – Eric [59:19]
• Shemane: “When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk.” [59:39]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Scott Baio:

  • “You don’t have to be a holy roller… just believe.” [06:34]
  • “Don’t come here and not care… You’re an American. Act like an American.” [07:42]
  • “A lot of Christians rely so heavily on faith…they don’t think things are going to change, but they are—and not for the better.” [08:53]

• Eric:

  • “Even if you don’t think you have an influence, you do. Even if you don’t think people are watching you, they are.” [21:38]
  • “Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” [27:39]

• Pastor Anthony Thomas:

  • “Truth always has two tensions... you don’t understand grace unless you understand truth, and you don’t understand truth unless you understand grace.” [41:44]
  • “God loves animals. He created them. And they will be with us in the life to come.” [49:10]
  • “I’m not willing to sell my voice.” [53:51]

• Shemane Nugent:

  • “Perhaps you were born for such a time as this.” [03:37, recurring motif]
  • “I pray over my dogs. They’re family.” [05:26]
  • “Hunters are the best conservationists for the land.” [39:53]
  • “When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk.” [59:39]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Scott Baio on Faith and Cancel Culture: 03:37–12:41
• Eric on Viral Vaccine Post and Citizen Influence: 19:19–28:19
• Pastor Anthony Thomas on Biblical Animals and Hunting Ethics: 34:11–43:02
• Animals & Afterlife, Biblical Teaching: 46:18–54:38
• Tribute/Prayers for Charlie Kirk: 58:05–59:55

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Tone and Takeaways

The episode was heartfelt, candid, and unapologetically faith-driven, marked by honest vulnerability (dealing with loss, cultural anxiety) and practical application of biblical principles to modern issues like patriotism, cancel culture, medical freedom, stewardship, and even pet care. Each guest reinforced the theme of finding your unique voice, standing up for liberty, and remaining rooted in faith and biblical wisdom amid turbulent times.

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For listeners new or old, this episode offers comfort, conviction, and clear calls to action—vote your values, steward creation, question cultural narratives, and never forget that everyone, even outsiders, can change the world.

Transcript

[Shemaine Nugent]

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. Hello, everyone and welcome to Faith and Freedom. I'm Shemaine Nugent. Hollywood's famous for fictional stories, telling stories, but sometimes real courage comes from the script that you don't read. You know my first guest as Chachi from Happy Days. But lately he's been leading a different kind of role, one that puts God, country and truth above popularity. He's been outspoken about cancel Culture, faith in America and why Christians need to wake up and speak out before it's too late. Scott Bale, welcome to the show.

[Narrator/Host]

Thank you. Sheman. I'm happy to see you. I hope this is a. This looks okay. I'm on a golf course in Sarasota with my daughter.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Hey, this is perfect. This is absolutely perfect. Although I wish I was out there. I don't golf, but I need to learn how to golf. But thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it.

[Narrator/Host]

You're welcome. By the way, I was listening to the show before I came on and you were talking about dog videos and things like that and food and our dog died three weeks ago yesterday and we are still absolutely, absolutely heartbroken. So just wanted to put that out there. You reminded me of them. Anyway. Secondly, we'll pray for Charlie Kirk.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yes, both of those. To address your dogs. I'm going to send you some. Ted and I just came out with our own pet supplements that are all natural, made with bioflavonoids. I'm going to send some to you. So we'll stay on afterwards and I'll get your address and send them to you.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

We'll.

[Shemaine Nugent]

We. Our dogs are like family. I pray over my dogs. I mean, they're, we, we only travel with our dogs.

[Narrator/Host]

My, my, my dog was my, my wife's seizure alert dog. And you know what? We're not going to get any more dogs right now. And I appreciate you wanting to send me something, but I don't know what to do with it.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yeah, well, it'll, it'll happen when it happens. It'll happen naturally. We said the same thing and two months later we got a puppy. So SC from Charles in Charge to actually taking charge of what I call and A lot of people do. This spiritual battle that's happening right now. What made you say enough is enough?

[Narrator/Host]

Well, well, I, I, I think it got to a point where Christianity seemed to, people seem to be making a joke about it. And I grew up in a time where faith was a big part of your life, and I don't want this country to go away from that. I think it's important. Seeing what happened on the train in North Carolina, that beautiful young girl. We've lost, a lot of people have lost their way. And I think, and you don't have to be a holy roller. You don't have to be, you know, go to church every Sunday. You just have to believe. And I, and I try to, I don't, I don't push people to anything, but I talk about it, and I just think it would be, I think it'd be great if we all kind of got back to some faith, because I think faith is, I think faith is a very good thing.

[Shemaine Nugent]

I based this show around Esther. 414, if you remain silent, relief and deliverance is going to come from someplace else, but you and your father's house may perish. What made you think about. I need to speak up. I need to, regardless of how Hollywood is positioning me and maybe going to cancel me. Why did you decide to speak up?

[Narrator/Host]

Oh, I got canceled a long time ago, Shemaine. I got canceled in 2016 when I was a I, when I spoke for president for then Donald Trump, who became president in 2016. I spoke out for him at the convention in Cleveland and after, and I knew I'd be canceled. And I did it because I want my country to be my country again. So to answer your question, it's important we are founded a certain way, and that's who we are. And the more people that come here that don't know who we are, it bothers me. Come here, learn who we are. Learn our values, learn our traditions. Don't come here and not care. Don't come here and want to live your entire lifestyle. You know, you're here, you're an American. Act like an American. You can still have your culture, but you're an American, and we believe in certain things. Don't condemn us for it.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yep. Amen, brother. We know, unfortunately, that 50% of Christians don't vote. Why do you think that is?

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, good question. I, I, I, I don't, I, I don't know. I, I just, I think, I think a lot of Christians rely so heavily on faith, and they don't think things are going to change, but they are and they're not for the better. So I don't know. It's almost as if they want to avoid government. I don't know. I don't know if they would. It'd be a whole different country.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

I think you're right.

[Shemaine Nugent]

They want to avoid politics and they want to avoid, like on the train, like how many people walked by that girl and didn't even help her.

[Narrator/Host]

It's horrible. It's absolutely, absolutely disgusting.

[Shemaine Nugent]

What projects are you working on now? I know you're on the golf course and you're helping out your daughter, watching her, helping her with her practice. Do you have any projects coming up or working on right now?

[Narrator/Host]

I just, you know, I have a, a podcast that comes on Wednesday nights at 8:00pm Eastern Live. It's me and two buddies of mine. We just talk about life. We don't get into politics. We don't get into anything heavy. We just talk about simple things in life. Going to the supermarket, driving, parking your car. You know, what, what relationships are like, how tough it is sometimes to marry, be married to a woman. You know, when we make light of, make light of as much as we can. And it's simple things in life. It's the things, the things that, you know, you do every day. And that's basically what it's like. I do that every Wednesday, which is a lot of fun. And then I'm working on something now, but I don't know where anything goes. Shemaine. I just don't know. It's, it's, I try to just, I try to just go along, try to just go along. I try to just go along like a feather in the wind. And wherever God takes me, that's where I'm going to end up. My daughter's going to go to college next year up in, up in Rhode Island. So what do I do? Sure. Yeah. So what do I do? So what do I do? Go ahead, sir. Go ahead. So what do I do with her and where do I live and do I gotta go there? Am I going to stay in Florida? So I'm just going with the breeze.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Well, but it's, I always refer to like jump roping, like the old fashioned way, like you're waiting for your in and when it comes time for you to take the photo and speak up for President Trump and you to be there with your daughter, it sounds to me like that's what you're doing. You're God's positioning you to wait for that in.

[Narrator/Host]

I, I, I, I, you know, I, I believe that. But it's hard.

[Shemaine Nugent]

It's hard.

[Narrator/Host]

You know, as human beings, we just want what we want. We want it now. And sometimes it's hard to just lay back and say, okay, whatever you want me to do, I'll do. But then we get impatient, and so we. We fail a lot in that. And I try to just be calm and pray, but I know there's a plan, and whatever the plan is, I'll be okay with it. My wife is healthy. My daughter's healthy. I'm healthy. I couldn't ask for anything more.

[Shemaine Nugent]

That's amazing. Sound like you're very blessed. Scott Baio, thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate it.

[Narrator/Host]

Shemaine, a pleasure. Thank you for having me on.

[Shemaine Nugent]

God bless you. That brings back memories for me. But I want to talk to you about someone else who's very important. Mike Lindell. Scott and I just talked about Cancel Culture. Mike Lindell was the first to ever really be canceled, and for all of us to wake up and go, wait, what? He's just talking about election fraud. Like, when do we not have freedom of speech? So do you know that Mike just wants you to get a good night's sleep? That's all he wants. And he wants to be able to support his employees. So if you're in the need of a pillow or dog beds or slippers or sheets or towels or all of the Mypillow products support Mike so that he can support his employees. He had to lay off hundreds of employees because of these lawsuits against him. And Cancel Culture. He just wants to help Americans. So go to mypillow.com and use the promo code FAITH and get sheets and towels and dog beds. And if you spend over $100, you're going to get $100 back in free digital gifts. How cool is that? But guess what? One more cool thing. I have my own number that you could call. So when we're done with the show, pick up your phone and dial 1-800-933-6972. Don't forget to use that promo code Faith, and you'll get a discount. We'll be right back. Stay tuned.

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Relish the opportunity to be an outsider, because it's the outsiders who change the world.

[Shemaine Nugent]

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[Eric (Guest)]

Well, about a week ago on August 31, I shared a video about vaccines because for me, kind of my vaccine story is I never really thought about it, to be honest. When we were doing big rallies against Covid, we would have, you know, all these anti vaxxers show up, and I'm just like, oh, no, not the anti vaxxers again. And then when I started to do my research, like, I'm, I will. I'm con. I mean, I paid my children to watch a video about the effects of what these things can do. And they watched and they're like, yeah, we're not going to be giving them to our kids, so that's a win for us. But regardless of your stance on it, you know, I've been. I've been pretty critical of President Trump with Operation Warp Speed. I mean, if you've, if you pay any amount of attention, how many people have died suddenly, how many people are having, you know, blood clots, major medical problems from the COVID shot. I mean, it's, it's, you can't hide it. But I made it. I posted a video about the ingredients of what's in it. So it's an older video I posted and I put, they're all poison, every single one. And I put on my Instagram on August 31, and then all of a sudden I see Marjorie Taylor Greene sharing a post from President Trump that's. Sharing my video.

[Narrator/Host]

What?

[Shemaine Nugent]

That's, that is amazing. Like, what's going through your mind when you're, when you're seeing that?

[Eric (Guest)]

Well, what's going through my mind is what's going through his mind. Because, you know, we've got Bill Gates there talking about vaccines. We've got, you know, that they're, they're, they've approved four new ones. And so I'm thinking like, okay, has he been red pilled on this? Has his stance changed? Did somebody else post this? But either way, it's a huge win to me because I think when people just look into it, it's like for me personally, this is just my opinion. God created us with immune systems and, and we need to be asking a lot more questions. You know, it's like we know what they did during COVID and we know how they lied about, you know, the cold virus that was going around. So you don't think they could have lied about polio or anything else. I mean, these are questions that need to be asked. And so I think it was a huge win and even made it on, you know, mainstream media that Trump, you know, shared this. But I, but, you know, my message is to people, like, even if you don't think you have an influence, you do. Even if you don't think people are watching you, they are. Share your opinions, share your thoughts. This should be the, you know, we should be having our thoughts in the court of public opinion all the time. You know, let it, let the ideas play out and not get censored like, you know, Meadow was doing for how long while they were rolling this thing out and, you know, coercing people to take it.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yeah, it's unbelievable. But you brought up a point about Bill Gates. There are a lot of people. And I understand, I'm not happy that on one side of President Trump and Melania, actually, right next to Melania sits Bill Gates. Who has openly said, if we do a good job with the vaccines, we'll depopulate the planet.

[Narrator/Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Shemaine Nugent]

And then on the other side is Mark Zuckerberg, who, I don't know how he got away with what happened with Facebook that he was. We all know what, what happened there. But what, how do you square this, Eric?

[Eric (Guest)]

Well, I just pray that more people will wake up. You know, I think having Robert, you know, rfk, talking about all of this, like, hey, so it's causing a lot of problems with autism, and this is happening right now. And now he's being vilified. So I hope that people just wake up to it and realize that, that there is a very, very evil force when it comes to Big Pharma. Sure, it can help some people, but, but I, I'm just one of those that don't believe they have our best interest in mind. And there's no cures to anything, not with what's coming from them. I think that the best way to cure yourself is with natural, with natural remedies. And, you know, it's just, I, I can't square it. So it's, it's been hard. Like, there's several things that in the last, you know, year or so almost that I have a very hard time with. And I think that it's important that we, we question even the administration, even if we're conservative, even if we voted for Donald Trump, we need to be saying, hey, we don't agree with this. This is what's going on. Because if we just kind of go ahead.

[Shemaine Nugent]

No, I, I'm, I'm shaking my head yet, going, yes, I agree that we need to voice our opinions and go that this isn't right. But there are, you've probably heard, there are some people saying, ah, he's playing that 5D chess again, and there's a move, he's exposing them. So I get it from both sides, but I'm not, I'm not liking the way that it looks. And there's a lot I wish that rfk, you know, they would get off his back because he's been through a lot. And I've seen a video that he says one of the, I don't know the specific name of the disease that he has that, that has affected his voice was because of a vaccine.

[Eric (Guest)]

That's right.

[Shemaine Nugent]

If he could just say that in public, like during those commission hearings, the committee hearings, I think that would go a long way.

[Eric (Guest)]

Yeah, I do, too. And the good news is that if you just watch social media and you watch what's happening. There's a shift. There's a shift from COVID There's a shift from trusting the science. There's a huge shift and people are waking up. And I think that's a great thing. And for President Trump to post a video that says they're all poison, every single one, that's a big win. And it's just extra cool that it came from my Instagram.

[Shemaine Nugent]

I totally agree. It is extra cool. You get extra brownie points. I reposted it from President Trump, but I need something on the bottom of there saying it's from you so I can bring more people there too. What else is on your radar? There's so much going on. Like when I invited you to come on, you're like, what do you want to talk about?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

What?

[Eric (Guest)]

I mean, there's just my, my biggest thing. Like, I, I believe, whatever. If your audience thinks I'm crazy, I believe we're in a big spiritual simulation. We're in a matrix type thing where I believe God is just watching us down. He's watching down, just seeing what we're going to do, who, who we are becoming in this process. And so to those that might get, you know, a little bit flustered on watching kind of the direction that we're heading right now, don't be afraid. Because, because at the end of the day, I believe when we actually pass on to eternity, you know, we're gonna look back and thinking we wanted to stay there. You know, I watch these near death experience, you know, kind of encounters on YouTube. I don't know, I'm fascinated with them. And nobody wants to come back. And so I'm not saying we need to go, but I'm just saying don't be afraid and always, always follow your conscience. You don't follow man. We follow God. There's no political savior. We love President Trump as a human being, but at the end of the day, he can't save us. We've got to get down to the family level. We need to get down to what can we do in our families to strengthen our ships here. So that's kind of what's been on my mind a lot, is just how do we get prepared physically and spiritually for what I believe is coming, what the scriptures talk about. And yeah, it's going to be chaotic, but, but I do believe really good things are coming with God.

[Shemaine Nugent]

I do, too. You know, Tucker Carlson said something to me once when Ted was on his show and we all had dinner afterwards, and I said, how do we, you know, who don't have millions and millions of followers, Tucker, like you and Ted do? What would you recommend that we do to help wake people up? And he said, you can only do what you can do. And I'm like, this is so simple, but it makes sense. So if you, if you feel like there's somebody that you could red pill or share the gospel with, do it. But you can't force feed it to everybody.

[Eric (Guest)]

Yeah, that's right. And you've been given gifts. Everybody's been given a certain amount of gifts. Some people are good at research. Some people, you know, have channels like you and I trying to wake people up. So just do what you're, what you have are passionate about and don't be afraid to share it because like I said, I believe we're being tested. This is one big test to see if we want to be part of the kingdom of God, which by the way, is liberty. In the scriptures, it says the kingdom of God is liberty. I think that's 2nd Corinthians 3:17. I believe where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And so we are supposed to stand for liberty wherever we're at. And if we do that here on earth, that's how we have it in heaven.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Thank you so much for joining me, Eric. God bless you. We'll be in touch. Don't go away. Pastor Anthony Thomas. Up next.

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[Shemaine Nugent]

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We're gonna actually go home and have a ribeye right now. We pulled it out to thaw and I'm, I'm super excited because we've both been out hunting. It's tough. It's not like you can go, okay. God, cue the deer.

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[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Hi, Shemaine. How you doing today?

[Shemaine Nugent]

I'm good, thank you. So let's start with the big one. What does the Bible say about animals?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

You know, it's a very complex one and I've had a fun time studying for this. I get lots of questions. Is my dog going to be with me in heaven? What happens to what's the relationship between mankind and animals and pets? And I've received many questions over the last 20 years as a pastor, and I just had a fun deep dive jumping into this. So I think is when every biblical topic, we have to find balance. And that's kind of what I've done as I've gone through. So here's a few thoughts. Number one, we see biblically, in Genesis 1:26, animals were created by God for mankind's enjoyment. I think that's key. It says, then God said, let us make man in our image according to our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea. Over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over the earth and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. So a few things we see right out in the beginning was God created animals. It's part of his creation. It's part of God's goodness and his love. We see in the garden that Adam named each animal. And so every animal names have to do with one's characteristics, their personality, their nature. So we know that Adam was part of naming animals, which is very key. Number two, we see before sin came into the world, the animal kingdom was an absolute peace with mankind and they were not afraid of mankind until after the fall. We also see that before the flood and the story of Noah, when God sent a flood on the earth because of the wickedness, God made provision and saved animals two by two that brought them on the ark. So we see that God not only had compassion over mankind, but he also had compassion over the animal kingdom because he had created them. So that's a very important thing from the beginning. Number two, Shemaine. This one's awesome. Animals have natures we can learn from. Here's two awesome scriptures, Proverbs 30, 24, 26. It says there are four things which are little on the earth, but they're exceedingly wise. And here's one of them. It says the rock badgers are a feeble folk, yet make their home in the crags of the rock. So you think of that wisdom. Every animal has a wisdom or nature about it. We see that the rock badger is the type of a Christian, weak on ourself, but joined together in the cleft of the rock, which is a type of Christ. We're strong. We also see Jesus talked about Herod, who was an evil politician and leader, and he said, go tell him that fox. Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow and third day I should be perfected. So he spoke of Herod, a politician and an evil man that was going to try to have Christ killed as a fox. Well, what do we know about a fox? A fox was an unclean animal in the Old Testament. And a fox is very cunning and deceptive. So we learn different things in the animal kingdom about nature of people and different wisdom contained within it.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So let me go back. We say that the Bible says that we have man has dominion over creation. But what do we actually mean by dominion?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Dominion means we're supposed to steward creation from creation of the land, the terra firma, creation of animal kingdoms. We see the sea kingdom. You know, I had friends that are many of them, that are fishermen that live off of the, the creatures that come out of the sea. And so we're to steward things well, and that's where, you know, you brought up very wisely in the beginning. There's a great saying, there's a ditch on every side of the road. So one ditch is that, you know, animals are basically not to be used in any form of capacity. Whether it's Peter, whether it's for food sources, whether. I think that's ridiculous, it's unbiblical. On the other hand, you get people that are not, you know, such as the term of being ethically hunting. I'm all for ethical hunting. Meaning what? You don't just go slaughter animals for nothing. My dad taught me very young age, if you're going to hunt, you make sure you shoot, whether a gun or a bow, ethically. And you make sure that every piece of that meat is used because you are taking a life. So that's important that we find balance and we stay in the middle of the road and not get in the ditches. And I think that's why biblically, every truth is held together by two tensions.

[Shemaine Nugent]

You know, a lot of people, not a lot, but if you criticize hunters, how can you be a hunter and a Christian? I actually just posted something yesterday or a couple days ago. I was able to harvest or kill 14 point whitetail with my bow, a 30 pound bow. And I posted that and somebody put thou shalt not kill. I look at this as we, yes, hunters are the best stewards, conservationists for the land. And our hunter dollars go to safeguard wildlife habitat. When I draw my bow, Anthony, I say a prayer for a quick, humane kill. And I've been blessed. And that's what, that's what I got the other day. And for me, I would rather know where the source of my protein is than, you know, pay somebody else to do it. For me it feels like a full circle. I am a responsible steward of the land.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Well, exactly in that comment, whoever said that is biblically ignorant. Okay? Because when Peter in the New Testament saw a scroll of animals, God himself said, rise, kill and eat. So we see here biblically that God was part of why he created animals, was for food source for mankind. Like I said, we have to balance it. And I agree with you. I think that is a far more ethical way than some of these slaughterhouses where animals are penned up and treated very inhumanely and that people have no problem going to the convenience store and buying meat daily.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yeah, they're taking their dollars and paying somebody else to do the killing for them. And for me, the first time, like, I wasn't raised in a hunting family. So when I met married Ted, which happened about the same time 37 years ago, it was all baptism by fire for me because I wasn't a rock and roller and I didn't hunt, didn't shoot guns and all that. But I understood, you know, you're paying somebody else to, to, to do that for you, to provide your family with protein. And it was really important to me. But I also want. This might be too short to go into right now. So you're going to stay with me for another segment, right? Because.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes, I am. And I have a lot. I got a few more major thoughts on animals and pets and afterlife that I think is very important.

[Shemaine Nugent]

We're good. Yes, we're going to get into that because I want to give you more time to talk about the afterlife. But what would you say that when the people, when the Bible talks about sacrifice and food and stewardship, how do you see this all come together for the Christian?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

I think for the Christian, like I said, we have to balance things biblically. And to me, where people go sideways on any truth, truth always has two tensions. You don't understand grace unless you understand truth, and you don't understand truth unless you understand grace. You don't understand mercy unless you understand judgment. And you don't understand judgment unless you understand mercy. So we have to keep things in proper tension. We keep two truths together and we find balance in the middle. And there is a way to love animals, to enjoy your pets. There's also a way to, if you're led to hunt, to hunt ethically, to love creation, to steward it well, but to not lose our mind and either air on a ditch of either side of the road.

[Shemaine Nugent]

I love that. Pastor Anthony Thomas, you're going to stick around for one more segment because. And everybody else is going to want to watch this because we're going to get into will we see our pets in the afterlife? Will they be in heaven with us? I can't wait to hear your thoughts. You're going to stick around with me?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes, absolutely.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Okay. Don't go away, everyone. You're going to want to hear this, too. We'll be right back.

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. We're back with Pastor Anthony Thomas talking about faith, creation and our connection to God's creatures. I want to talk about this so badly with you for so much longer, but we're going to go through it real quick. Maybe you could come back again next week or the week after. But tell us, are we going to see our animals, our pets in heaven?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Excellent question. Let me start with this before we get there. Animals number one, we know biblically, have thoughts, emotions and voices that we don't understand. You go prove it to me, Scripture. I will. There's a very unique passage in the Book of Numbers. There was a. A prophet gone wild. And he was going against God's will. And God wanted the Israelites blessed. And a wicked king from the Moabites wanted them cursed. So he hired a prophet named Balaam to curse God's people. And Balaam is God told him, don't curse them, don't go against them. And he disobeys and he gets on his donkey on way to cursing Israelites. And this was a story, Numbers 22, starting with Verse 27. It says, when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord. So this donkey sees a massive angel with the sword. So it tells us one thing. Many times, animals can see into the spiritual realm when we cannot. It said, she laid down under Balaam. So Balaam's anger was aroused and he struck the donkey with a staff. So Balaam is being a bad animal owner and he's beating up his animal. Then the Lord opened the mouth, opened the mouth of the donkey and said to Balaam, now this is the donkey speaking to him, what have I done to you that you have struck me these three times? So we know that animals, when people are cruel and abusing them, they feel it and they understand what's going on. And he said, why are you doing this is why you should Never hurt your animal. 29 and Balaam said to the donkey, because you have abused me, I wish there was a sword in my hand for now it would kill you. So the donkey said to Balaam, listen to the animal's response to him. Am I not your donkey in which you have ridden since I became yours to this day. Was I ever disposed to do this to you? And he said, no. So the donkey had memories, the donkey had emotions, and the donkey did not like the abuse he was experiencing. And then 31 says, then the Lord opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in his way with his sword drawn in his hand, and he bowed his face and fell on his face. So all of a sudden, he realizes this animal had literally saved his life and why he's abusing it. So we see something. I've never heard someone speak on this in my life, and I was reading it. Number one, God does not like animal abuse. Number two, the animal was aware. He had thoughts, he had emotions, he had feelings, he had memories, and he wanted to serve his master. Well, I find that very interesting. Then we go to answer your question. Revelation 19:11. But before we get there, Proverbs 12:10 says, A righteous man regards the life of his animal, but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. So we see here. And one of the greatest proverbs from Solomon. You treat your animal well. It's good. Revelation 19:11, one of my favorite scriptures in the whole Bible. This is talking about the second coming of Christ. He said, I now saw heaven open and behold a white horse. And he who sat on him was called faithful and true, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. This is talking about Christ's second coming. And he says, his eyes were like a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except himself. He was clothed with a rope dipped in blood, and his name is called the Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed him on white horses. So what do we know in eternity and in heaven, we for sure have a horse with our name on it. So I have to believe this, and we're gonna have to surmise this, because we don't know 100%, and we can't say 100%. No, I believe if someone had a pet that they love in this life that was near and dear to them, it would not shock me if that animal is in heaven. I cannot say that a hundred percent, but what I can say is this. There will be animals in heaven. We know each one of us as believers will have a white horse with our name written on it. And it would not shock me at all. The book of Revelation, which talks about the life to come, is full of different animals. So it would not shock me at all if you had a pet or a loved one that you were near and dear, that that animal may be there with you. I proved someone to, you know, you can't prove it 100 one way or the other. What we do know is God loves animals. He created them. We're to steward them well, and they were in the beginning of time before sin. They've been here during this life as God's redeeming us, and they will be with us in the life to come. And it is wise to steward and take good care of your animals. That's a biblical perspective on it. When we talk again, Shemaine, I would love to talk about. I have a whole teaching on can animals become spiritually attacked? How to pray over your animals. And what does the Bible say about that? Because it's an important topic that I've heard very little teaching on, and I'd love to share it with you. If you have a love pet, how do you pray for them?

[Shemaine Nugent]

I, you know, we people watching this might not know. I consider Pastor Anthony Thomas my pastor, and even though we're not in the same town, we speak often. Anthony knows that I have prayed for my dogs, and I plead the blood of Jesus over my dogs. I believe one of my dogs had eaten something, a metal. A piece of metal tube. And I prayed over that dog. We saw the X ray. The metal tube was in there. Only two ways that metal tube could get out. Either the dog threw it up, which could rip his esophagus, or he pooped it out, which could also be hazardous. And half an hour later, after they gave him the stuff to make him throw up, they took another X ray. And the vet came back in, showed me the X ray. She's like, it's a miracle that tube is gone and he didn't throw it up. Yeah, I'm just saying. You know me. I'm just saying miracles can happen. We gotta. We gotta wrap it up in about a minute. I definitely want to. And for those people who want to reach Pastor Anthony Thomas, we can find him at Tip of the Spirit Church on Rumble. You've got your own podcast, and you and I are going to be doing more podcasts together. Right?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yeah. We're looking forward to Shebang. We got a lot of. One of the things I love about Shemaine, she asked very thought provoking, excellent questions biblically, and she makes me work very hard, and I love it. Even this study has been a wonderful one for me to just get a very good biblically balanced perspective on stewardship. And animals. So we're going to cover a lot of topics in the future that you may not hear a lot of teaching on. But they're great questions and God always has the perfect answers in his word if we'll take the time to study it.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Anthony, are you on social media at all? How can people support you and. And follow you? Other than on Rumble, I'm not.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

We have our website, Tip ofthespirit church.org if you go on there, there's a website to donate and it really helps out because I'm not funded by any major organizations. I've done that specifically so I could preach on topics that I want to without someone controlling me. And I'm not willing to sell my voice. So I appreciate any help we get financially. And like I said, I just want to see people know God's word and know how to face this life, which is not easy with the sword of God's word. And that's what we try to do, is speak to real things, get in the middle of it, because God has answers, because he cares for people. And as we've learned today, he also cares for your animals.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Pastor Anthony Thomas, Tip of the Spirit Church. Thank you so much for joining me. God bless.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Thank you, Shemaine. Have a wonderful day. Bye. Bye.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Bye. Okay, I'm all about pets, as I. As I mentioned. So on that note, take a look at this. Duke.

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Look at that. All right, guys, this is how he'll take it. Dookie, what do you have, honey? Nope. Give me my. Oh, he's a Percy. Oh, my God. All right, guys. Okay. I just got back from the DMV and Duke, my. My long champ. I've gotta get it. Good boy. You can take a small bite. Just bite the corner like this.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

You see?

[Shemaine Nugent]

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Everybody needs to pray for Charlie Kirk right now.

[Eric (Guest)]

He is a voice of reason out there that has been gunned down for daring to be an American, to tell the truth, to believe in free speech and to believe in this country.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Charlie loves his family dearly.

[Shemaine Nugent]

He loves his country dearly.

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This is a really devastating thing that happened.

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We must all pray for Charlie Kirk who has been shot. A great guy from top to bottom, God bless him. He believed strong that we could solve a lot of our differences with just a good old fashioned conversation.

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He was shot for defending the Constitution. John Solomon's reporting on just the news that he's passed. Yes. Is this what I'm hearing? Yes. Can I get here? Yes, yes, yes.

[Shemaine Nugent]

My prayers are for Erica, for her.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Children, for his family.

[Shemaine Nugent]

I pray that his parents.

[Narrator/Host]

Would feel that presence of the Lord that only, only the Lord can fill.

[Eric (Guest)]

We cannot let all the great things that Charlie Kirk did be wasted because of some act of violence. He didn't hate people. He didn't even hate liberals. He just hated intolerance. And it is a painful irony that he may have died at the hands of some intolerant person.

[Shemaine Nugent]

He was fighting not just for his own young children, but for all of our children. When America needed a hero, God sent.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Us a Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is a casualty of the political war going on in this country.

[Eric (Guest)]

He was gunned down in cold blood.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Gunned down in cold blood and you.

[Narrator/Host]

Have to have steely Resolved.

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Dive into the stories making the news.

[Narrator/Host]

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[Narrator/Host]

Affairs and the newsagents USA listening to.

[Emily Maitlis and John Sopel]

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[Shemaine Nugent]

This is an iHeart podcast.