FAITH AND FREEDOM WITH SHEMANE-SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2025

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Faith and Freedom with Shemane – September 24th, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice – iHeartPodcasts
Episode Date: September 28, 2025
Host: Shemane Nugent
Guests: Ted Nugent, Pastor Anthony Thomas

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Faith and Freedom" with Shemane Nugent dives deep into the nature of spiritual warfare, the church’s cultural role, and reflections on the recent, emotional funeral of Charlie Kirk. Joined by her husband Ted Nugent and Pastor Anthony Thomas (lead pastor of Tip of the Spirit Church, Naples, FL, and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran), Shemane leads a raw discussion about the battle between good and evil, the failures and hopes of the modern church, and what it takes to embrace faith in polarized times. Drawing from Scripture, personal testimony, and current events, the hosts challenge listeners to step into their God-given authority and actively resist apathy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Reflections: The Spiritual Battle and Charlie Kirk’s Legacy

• Shemane Nugent laments the silence of the modern church on spiritual warfare, stating that angels and demons are central to Christian struggles yet rarely discussed.
• Charlie Kirk’s funeral is described as a profound spiritual event, more of a genuine “church” experience than most organized churches today:
  • “At Charlie Kirk’s funeral... it looked like it was more meant to be in church with thousands of hands raised and worshiping and a message of faith and forgiveness right in the face of loss.” (Shamane Nugent, 04:00)
• Pastor Anthony Thomas: Kirk embodied the biblical heart of a “soldier of faith,” emphasizing the spiritual—not merely cultural or political—nature of today’s struggles. (04:54)
  • “This is not a political war. It's not even a cultural war. It's a spiritual war.” (Pastor Anthony Thomas, 05:08)

2. Ted Nugent’s Perspective: Nontraditional Christianity and the Call to Action

• Ted admits he's not a “churchgoer” but asserts his daily life is a spiritual act:
  • “No, I don’t go to the building that is a church, but I spend every day in God’s miracle.” (Ted Nugent, 05:58)
  • Ted views Kirk’s funeral as “the greatest Jesus celebration in our lifetime.”
  • He frames American founding values as rooted in the good-over-evil dynamic.
  • “We celebrate genuflecting at the altar of truth, logic, and common sense. And I think Charlie Kirk’s funeral epitomized that.” (Ted Nugent, 07:07)

3. Spiritual Warfare: What It Is and Why It’s Urgent

• Biblical Context: Pastor Anthony defines “ecclesia” (“the called out ones”)—reminding listeners the Church is not the building but the people united in mission.
• Challenges to lukewarm, apathetic Christianity:
  • “If your pastor did not mention Charlie Kirk and what he did, get the hell out of that church, because that is an apostate church... Jesus called [it] the Laodicean church, which is neither hot nor warm. Jesus said he wanted to puke it out of his mouth.” (Pastor Anthony, 09:09)
• Ephesians 6:12 cited as scriptural grounding for understanding life’s deepest struggles as “not against flesh and blood, but... against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Shamane Nugent, 11:20)

4. Testimonies of Spiritual Warfare and Deliverance

• Pastor Anthony recounts his personal journey—overcoming addiction, encountering the spiritual realm, and discovering deliverance ministry:
  • “Once I found out, you can actually make those things that had tormented me and other people around hurt and feel pain... it was the greatest joy in my life.” (Pastor Anthony, 22:03)
• Spiritual warfare is seen as not just a biblical and historical reality but an ongoing campaign—“the Bible is a love story written in the context or in the midst of a war.” (Pastor Anthony, 21:17)

5. The Role of Suffering and Spiritual Attacks

• Citing Charles Spurgeon, Pastor Anthony explains that God chooses His greatest warriors from “the highlands of affliction,” and heavy opposition is spiritual evidence you’re making an impact.
  • “If you have no attack in your life against you, it means you’re doing absolutely nothing.” (Pastor Anthony, 24:12)
  • Satanic opposition is proportional to effectiveness in advancing God’s kingdom.

6. Authority of Believers and the Danger of Apathy

• Luke 10:19: “Authority to trample on serpents and scorpions... over all the power of the enemy.”
  • “Authority” is explained as privilege—believers “privileged by God to stomp the enemy.” (Pastor Anthony, 26:20)
• Ted rails against apathy:
  • “Lack of action is actually a welcome mat for evil, actually the red carpet for abuse of power. Apathy is the worst curse of mankind.” (Ted Nugent, 28:12)
  • Pastor Anthony: “Apathy leads to being a coward... the first word it says [in Revelation] is the coward. Cowardice is not something that is esteemed highly in the kingdom of God.” (Pastor Anthony, 29:12)

7. Biblical Deep Dives: Origin of the Spiritual War

• Pastor Anthony provides an accessible yet theologically deep summary of Satan’s fall based on Ezekiel 28 and Revelation 12:
  • Satan was created with great wisdom and beauty but fell through pride.
  • The fight between good and evil began in heaven before humanity and continues on earth.
  • Scriptural exegesis on Lucifer’s free will and the reality of cosmic rebellion.
  • “If you struggle with perfectionism, this is partly why. God is absolutely good... Satan is nothing but evil. People are a mix of good and evil.” (Pastor Anthony, 36:19)

8. Are We in the End Times?

• Shemane and Pastor Anthony discuss the idea of living in the “fourth quarter”—the end times:
  • “We are. This thing is wrapping up... Christ is going to return and when he does, he is going to win in a decisive and game over type of way that only he could do.” (Pastor Anthony, 42:20)
  • Advice for new believers: start by reading Genesis (the beginning) and Revelation (the end) to understand the overarching spiritual saga.

9. Revelation & Spiritual Realities Today

• In discussing the book of Revelation, Pastor Anthony explains:
  • The “trumpet still plays the notes of war” (Charles Spurgeon quote) — the battle is ongoing, especially at the end.
  • Satan’s strategy: he targets what is new and vulnerable, symbolized in his attempts to destroy newborns (Revelation 12:4).
  • “To be a Christian and think that you’re going to live a Christian life and not be in the fight is unbiblical.” (Pastor Anthony, 51:15)
  • The Church (“overcomer church” vs. “overcome” and “apostate” types) must wake up—not just as institutions, but as individuals who actively resist deception and apathy.

10. Encouragement & Practical Application

• The show closes by calling the audience to examine their own churches, pursue humility, and embrace the lead of the Holy Spirit rather than rigid institutionalism.
• Pastor Anthony: “You need the Holy Spirit to lead you where Christ is at right now.” (Pastor Anthony, 57:28)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Silence of the Church:
  • “Too many churches staying silent about this unseen battle, this spiritual warfare... At Charlie Kirk’s funeral... it looked like there was more church at his funeral than there was in the churches that I go to.” (Shemane Nugent, 04:00 / 05:43)
• On Spiritual Warfare:
  • “This is not a political war. It's not even a cultural war. It's a spiritual war.” (Pastor Anthony, 05:08)
• On the Purpose of Suffering:
  • “God chooses his best soldiers out of the highlands of affliction. If you have no attack in your life ... you’re doing absolutely nothing.” (Pastor Anthony, 24:12)
• On Apathy and Action:
  • “Apathy is the worst curse of mankind.” (Ted Nugent, 28:12)
  • “Apathy leads to being a coward... The first word it says [in Revelation] is the coward.” (Pastor Anthony, 29:12)
• On True Christian Authority:
  • “The privilege God’s give you is to crush Satan’s best... We can overcome temptation and we can overcome torment because of bad decisions we may have made in the past.” (Pastor Anthony, 26:20)
• On the Church’s Condition:
  • “There are three different types of biblical churches: Overcomer church, overcome church, and the lukewarm, which leads to the apostate church... If [your church] is an apostate church, get the hell out of there.” (Pastor Anthony, 55:08)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Quote| |-------------|------------| | 04:00–05:00 | Shemane on church silence, Charlie Kirk's funeral as a true spiritual event.| | 05:08 | Pastor Anthony: “This is not a political war... it’s a spiritual war.”| | 05:58–07:44 | Ted Nugent on spiritual life outside institutional church.| | 09:09–10:39 | Pastor Anthony on ecclesia, critique of lukewarm/apostate church.| |11:20–12:08 | Shemane citing Ephesians 6:12, spiritual warfare as media narrative manipulation.| |21:17–23:14 | Pastor Anthony: “Bible is a love story written in the context of war.”| |24:12 | “If you have no attack in your life against you, it means you’re doing absolutely nothing.”| |26:20 | Authority as privilege, power to “crush Satan's best.”| |28:12 | Ted on apathy as ultimate curse.| |29:12 | “Apathy leads to being a coward...” (Pastor Anthony)| |36:19–39:52 | Lucifer’s fall, pride, cosmic rebellion, spiritual warfare’s roots.| |42:20 | Are we in the fourth quarter? End times context.| |50:15–54:17 | Revelation’s war imagery, overcomers, and Charlie Kirk’s parallel.| |55:08 | Three types of churches, call to discernment and action.|

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Final Encouragement & Takeaway

The episode is a call to spiritual alertness, boldness, and personal responsibility at a time of profound uncertainty. Shemane, Ted, and Pastor Anthony urge listeners to abandon apathy, embrace the authority endowed by faith, and resist cowardice, using the examples of figures like Charlie Kirk as inspiration.

“Relish the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world.” (Ted Nugent, 44:43)

“Perhaps you were born for such a time as this.” (Shemane Nugent, echoed throughout)

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Resources & Next Steps:

• Follow Pastor Anthony Thomas: tipofthespirechurch.org
• Recommended scriptural reading: Genesis (beginning), Revelation (end), Gospel of Mark and passages on spiritual warfare (Ephesians 6).
• Watch for future episodes and bible-study-focused segments from Shemane Nugent.

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Transcript

[Shamane Nugent]

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[Shamane Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Faith and Freedom. Are you punching out the bad guys?

[Ted Nugent]

Yes, I am Faith and Freedom. And this is my Faith and Freedom warrior wife. She's my wife. Ladies and gentlemen, a moment of silence for how lucky I am. Okay, that's long enough.

[Shamane Nugent]

Well, thank you for joining me, Ted. We also have an incredible guest that I want to introduce in just a minute. But first, I wanted to talk about what's going on in the world. Too many churches staying silent about this unseen battle, this spiritual warfare. And angels and demons, they get brushed aside as if they're outdated or uncomfortable. But Scripture makes it clear that they're the very center of the struggles that we face every single day. And that's maybe why Charlie Kirk's funeral, Ted, it hit us so hard. And in churches, it seems like the message is watered down. And at Charlie Kirk's funeral, it looked like it was more meant to be in church with thousands of hands raised and worshiping and a message of faith and forgiveness right in the face of loss. Take a look at this.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Most people don't know this, but Charlie Kirk wanted to go to West Point. It never happened. Obviously, his personal loss at that moment was our nation's great gain. Charlie Kirk was a citizen who had the biblical heart of a soldier of the faith who put on every single day the full armor of God with a small smile, as the scriptures tell all Christ followers to do. Over time, he realized, like so many of us have, that this is not a political war. It's not even a cultural war. It's a spiritual war.

[Shamane Nugent]

What are your thoughts about that? Ted, you watched the Charlie Kirk funeral, and you don't go to church with me often, but it seemed to me like there was more church at his funeral than there was in the churches that I go to.

[Ted Nugent]

Yeah, I watch the whole thing. And I obviously am in the glow of Christianity every day with Shimane as my wife. And no, I don't go to the building that is a church, but I spend every day in God's miracle. And I have come to the conclusion as a young man, preteen, that I have a spiritual, moral, intellectual obligation to worship the Creator and to be a Steward of his precious life, giving, nature, miracle. So I would like to ask Pastor Anthony and my incredible Christian wife, Shimane, as I'm a Christian, was the Charlie Kirk funeral the greatest Jesus celebration in our lifetime? I believe it was. And I think that is a great, great celebration and. And admission that America was founded on the purity of good over evil. Judeo Christian values. And even though I'm just a guitar player, much like Charlie Kirk in many ways, I never went to college because I was too busy learning stuff, important stuff, pragmatic stuff, utilitarian truth, logic, and common sense. So thank you, Shamayne, and real America's voice. We celebrate genuflecting at the altar of truth, logic, and common sense. And I think Charlie Kirk's funeral epitomized that. What a glory, glory, hallelujah moment that was. I think we are all returning to the churches of our choice. Religion, spirituality, and Christianity. So I think the enemy, as his widow said, they have no idea what they have unleashed.

[Shamane Nugent]

Bringing this around to Pastor Anthony Thomas. He's a Marine Corps veteran, a prophetic voice, and the lead pastor of Tip of the Spirit church in Naples, Florida. Welcome, Pastor Anthony.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Thank you, Ted and Chemain. Honored to be with both of you today.

[Ted Nugent]

Semper fi, brother. Now, the guitar players take Pastor Anthony as a man of God. I think we all are. Many of us admit it. More and more are beginning to admit it. And as a US Marine who has to improvise, adapt, and overcome, as we all should, was my take reasonable for just a civilian guitar player? Is that not the pulse that we're witnessing right now?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Absolutely. Because you saw in that number one, you saw a man who was willing to give his life. And the Bible's very clear, no greater love than he would lay down his life for his friend. So we saw the highest act of bravery that you could espouse to in the kingdom of God someone that was a voice that was shaking up the world around us. And you saw the reflection of that in that meeting of the presence of God breaking out. And I think it's important when we talk about the church. The Greek word for church is ecclesia. It means the called out ones. It means the church's people. The Bible says, do not forsake the assembling of the brethren. That's a church meeting. Or I always like to call it a good huddle. And just like anyone that played sports, a huddle is good. That's where you get direction. But the game is out there in this thing called life. And we Saw the ecclesia, the called out ones come together in power, in strength, and in people that have had enough of being quiet anymore. I told my congregation, we did two different messages on it, and I told them very clearly, if your pastor did not mention Charlie Kirk and what he did, get the hell out of that church, because that is an apostate church. Because if we cannot honor someone that gave his life for the kingdom of God and his service with Jesus, then we have what Jesus called the Laodicean church, which is neither hot nor warm. Jesus said he wanted to puke it out of his mouth. And that's where a lot of the churches have been right now. They've been in a lukewarm state. But when you watch someone give their life for the kingdom, you cannot look at that and what happened and remain neutral. Either it will move you forward and your temperature hotter for Christ, or you become more cold and indifferent towards the things of God. But you cannot leave in a neutral state. No one could have watched that amazing time. And even his wife willing to forgive someone who had just murdered her husband, you cannot watch that and remain neutral. And so I agree with you, Ted. That was a display of what the church is supposed to look like. And on fire, powerful and representing the virtues of the kingdom of God.

[Ted Nugent]

You know, I want to hear my wife, but I have to mention that you're talking about a huddle. You're talking about people. I have a spirit campfire every weekend at our Sunrise Acres here with hunters coming from all around the world to hunt with me because I have a big mouth, which proves I've not been quiet. I have never been cold or lukewarm. No, I. I refuse. I don't ruffle feathers. I pluck them, and then I roast the. The feather bear. Is that everything you're saying? I'm not a Bible guy. Shimane is a Bible studyer. You are a Bible representative. But isn't my daily instinctual activity biblical? I got. I have goosebumps. I have a huddle every day with people.

[Shamane Nugent]

And here's what I wanted to touch on. And we're looking forward to having Pastor Anthony on the whole show. So stick around everybody who are watching. But I wanted to circle back to. We've only got another minute or 2. Ephesians 6:12 says, we don't wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. We're going to get into that Pastor Anthony, a little bit more when we're with you in the next couple of segments. But I think that's what the media is trying to do is have us wrestle against each other. That's why this was so emotional for so many people. We cried because they took out one of the good guys.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nugent]

You know, you talk about huddling and we the people. I couldn't be more proud that we're talking against principalities and people that abuse power, people in powerful places. I've got these bureaucrats on the run. I've got Texas Parks and Wildlife, corrupt criminal power abusing bureaucrats on the run. I got the Michigan Department of Natural Resource power abusing, corrupt bureaucrats on the run. If you haven't got bought, if you haven't got bad people on the not doing God's work. We're not supposed to compromise. We're not supposed to placate and go, well, I'd rather not get into an argument. Get into an argument and win with truth, logic and common sense.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

I agree with you 110%. And to go back to your statement, Ted, I think the devil is more afraid of people of action. They may not have all the biblical scriptures to go with it. That's part of my job, is to educate people in the word of God. But what they have is they have faith and they have tenacity and they understand things are wrong and they're willing to fight against evil. And many of them are doing high level of spiritual warfare without knowing it because you cannot take on natural forces of power without there being supernatural forces of power behind it. And so whether they know it or not, they are engaging the spiritual realm. And you've been engaging the spiritual realm for many years.

[Shamane Nugent]

Yeah. And you know, we're going to get into this deeper in the next few segments. I got to go get a Kleenex because I'm already getting teary eyed here. This is such an emotional time. But Pastor Anthony, can you stick around for three more segments?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes. Would be honored too.

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[Shamane Nugent]

Okay, we're gonna switch gears. No barking or punching. But we are gonna punch out the enemy. We're bringing Pastor Anthony Thomas from Tip of the Spirit Church back in. We're talking about spiritual warfare. Anthony, are you there? What is spiritual. What is spiritual warfare?

[Ted Nugent]

And when did you first see it? I'd be fascinated to see when you first saw the explosion. It wasn't. It wasn't an increment. It was an explosion of spiritual warfare. How long ago did you witness this?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

So interesting you asked that, Ted. It Would have been probably almost 25 years ago. I had just gotten saved. I got saved about a year before I got out of the Marines. Was addicted to alcohol and a lot of stuff. And I got mandated to go see a base chaplain named Chaplain Parker. Wonderful man. And I went to his services. Never was exposed to anything like that. And I remember going up to the altar call and giving my life to Christ, knowing two things. Number one, if I died, I had definitely earned a one way ticket straight to hell. Number two, if Jesus was real and he really loved me, I wasn't going to turn away from that offer. Well, then I got into. I'd seen so much demonic stuff in my life growing up in a very rough life and a lot of things I've seen and there were certain things that there was no other description you could give than evil. And I knew there were forces behind because I could feel them, but I didn't have a framework. And I never forget I went to a Christian bookstore and a book literally almost fell off the shelf called Spiritual Warfare by Richard Ng. It's a very old book. And once I opened it up, I was absolutely. And I thought, why are we not seeing this within the church world? So I started getting into spiritual warfare. And then within a year I got connected with my dear friend Pastor Jess Parker, and later Pastor Dave Bryan, who took on Anton lavey, the founder of the Church of Satan. And they were in the middle of deliverance ministry. And I jumped right into it, not only to get free for myself first, but then to start helping other people. And once I found out, you can actually make those things that had tormented me and other people around hurt and feel pain for all the havoc they had caused. It was the greatest joy in my life. You know, you see, in Luke, I want to show the Scripture. Luke 10, 17, 19 says, Then the 70 returned with joy, telling Jesus, even the demons are subject to us in your name. And he said to them, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. So one of the things, when we understand spiritual warfare, and I'm going to get into this a little more as we go on, war started in heaven before it ever hit down on earth. The battle on the earth is the second campaign. War started before time that we know it began in heaven. And that's a key thing to understand because one of the things I wanted to grasp was why is the world around me in such a mess? One of the greatest authors I've ever read of my life, he said this statement, he said, I could sum the whole Bible up in one statement I go, okay, here we go. Let's see. He said, the Bible is a love story written in the context or in the midst of a war. And when you understand that this life makes sense. Horrible things happen to good people in war. There are casualties, there are people missing in action. There are prisoners of war, there are enemies. There are different battlefronts. And once I understood that, then I went to the Gospel of Mark. Ted and I highlighted or underlined every encounter Jesus had with Satan or the demonic. And I found out it was almost one third of the Gospel of Mark. And I thought, how is something so much in the Bible yet we hear so little about it in the church? And that started my quest to not only get into spiritual warfare, but. But to try to educate people so that they can fight the battle.

[Shamane Nugent]

You sent me this book. I was going to save this till the last segment of it, but it seems appropriate. You sent me this book, and I want to. The title is Beside Still Waters. And he outlined a few things for me. One of them says, God does not put heavy burdens on weak shoulders. And also, as God gives you greater skill as a soldier of the cross, he will send you more difficult missions. I know that system, and let's talk about that for a minute. Pastor Anthony, there are a lot of people out there who are having a difficult time, especially with Charlie. What happened with Charlie? Kirk? This is a spiritual awakening. I just got goosebumps.

[Ted Nugent]

I think that was me.

[Shamane Nugent]

Oh, okay. What's going on right now in this world? People are waking up.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yeah. You can't not wake up right now. If you're not waking up, you're spiritually numb and absolutely. Spurgeon, who wrote that book? Charles Spurgeon, the prince of preachers, one of the greatest preachers of all time. He said God chooses his best soldiers out of the highlands of affliction. Meaning what? If you've been through some stuff, you're probably going to be used by God. And if you have no attack in your life against you, it means you're doing absolutely nothing. Satan is a master general and a master strategist, and he's been destroying mankind for thousands of years. He took one third of the angels with him in the great rebellion that happened in heaven. And he is about his business, just as Jesus said, I must be about my father's business. There are two kingdoms and massive war right now, and we're in one of the most intense campaigns of it. But here's the thing. If you are effective in the battle and Satan views you as a threat. He is going to send high level soldiers against you spiritually and naturally because they work together to stop you in what you're doing. The reason a lot of churches and a lot of people, and when I say churches, I don't mean the real church, I mean the Laodicean lukewarm church, is because they're not effective. Satan does not have to send troops against them because they're not advancing the kingdom of God. But understand this, if you are advancing the kingdom of God, there will be attack against you. And to the effectiveness and the degree that you are successful is the level of what Satan is going to have to send against you. So I don't enjoy being attacked, but I thank God I am because it tells me I'm doing something in the battlefield. And it's the same with you guys. It's the same with anyone that's standing for the kingdom. And that's why Charlie Kirk had the massive amount of forces against him because he was such a great soldier on the battlefield. And that's why we honor him greatly.

[Shamane Nugent]

And Luke 10:19, Jesus said, behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. What would that look like, Anthony, if I got goosebumps again? If we actually all walked in that authority today?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Well, interesting Shimane, that Greek word is exousia. It means privilege. That's what authority means. So when the woke people came up with, well, you're talking with privilege. Yes, I am privileged. I'm privileged by God to stomp the enemy. And that's what it says. It says, the privilege I give you, the authority I give you will overcome Satan's power. And that word power in the Greek is dunamis. It's where we get dynamite. Meaning the privilege God's give you is to crush Satan's best. And we look at, it says over serpents and scorpions, all of Satan's army is formed in two different ranks. Serpents represent Satan's ability to deceive. So when we look at deceiving spirits, such as much we see in our media, you're dealing with snakes when you talk about scorpions. Those are Satan's power to torment. And that's why he tempts people, seduces them, deceives them, and then as soon as he gets you, then he switches teams and moves from a snake to a scorpion and starts to torment you by condemning you. God said, we have the power, the authority through Christ to stop both snakes and Scorpions. Meaning we can overcome temptation and we can overcome torment because of bad decisions we may have made in the past. That's the privilege we have as sons and daughters of the most high God. So if someone.

[Ted Nugent]

Yes, for years in my media and my public speaking on Ted Nugent, Spirit of the Wild, even though it's just a hunting outdoor celebration show, we insert this stuff. Shamayne's been sharing her faith and freedom shows on our Spirit of the Wild TV show on the Pursuit network eight times a week. So we really are projecting and delivering and sharing and educating in our own way. You don't have to do it. You don't have to be given or provided a bully pulpit. Just as gift of life from God, we have a bully pulpit. And I've always raised hell. That the worst curse of mankind, worse than liberalism, worse than the Democrats and Marxists and communists and furors and emperors and dictators, is apathy. Because lack of action is actually a welcome mat for evil, actually the red carpet for abuse of power. I give you the US government over all, over all these years and the media and Hollywood and academia and these people that are literally trampling on our rights. So the number one prayer I believe in America today, the most important effective prayer is to communicate with your loved ones that don't see the light, that still cling to the darkness and that I hate America. I hate Trump because he secured the borders, because he keeps penises out of women's locker rooms, because he's reducing crime. Apathy is the worst curse of mankind.

[Shamane Nugent]

Yeah, we only have about 30 seconds, Anthony, and you're going to be sticking around for two more segments. But any response to that real quick?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes, what Ted said is accurate and apathy leads to being a coward. And revelation is very clear when it goes over the list of those who will be thrown in the lake of fire. The first word it says is the coward. So cowardice is not something that is esteemed highly in the kingdom of God. Jesus doesn't like it, the Bible doesn't like it, and neither should you. And so when you are apathetic, it will lead you to being cowardly and not speak up when you should.

[Ted Nugent]

Amen.

[Shamane Nugent]

Amen. Stick around. We'll be back in a minute.

[Ted Nugent]

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[Shamane Nugent]

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[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Okay, so we go back to what Jesus said. I saw Satan fall like lightning. Then Ezekiel, one of the great prophets of the Bible, is going to go over a natural king, and then he's going to go over a spiritual king, Lucifer, that fell. So we see governmental leaders many times look a lot like Satan because it's exactly what happened in the Bible. So he says this in Ezekiel 28, starting in verse 11. Moreover, the word of the Lord came to me saying, son of man, take up lamentation. This is a great thought as you start. If you follow Satan, you're going to live a sad life because that's what it said, take up lamentation for the King of Tyre and say to him, thus says the Lord God. Now he's going to switch from a natural king to Lucifer's fall. He said you were the seal of perfection. So I want you to get this. Number one, Satan was perfect. In the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness. There's absolute.

[Shamane Nugent]

Can I interrupt you right there?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes.

[Shamane Nugent]

This is what was interesting to me. When I've read Ezekiel 28, it says, yeah, Lucifer was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. He had everything. He had glory and power and access to God's very presence. So why would God create Lucifer with such glory if he knew that this would lead to his fall?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Because God believes in free will. And God gives us the opportunity to choose good or bad. And without it, God would not be a God who honors freedom and honors free will. Otherwise he would have made simply robots, which is what they're trying to make right now, and us with AI and make us into robotic. He gave us moral free will to choose good or bad. We see with the angels, one third of them chose to follow Lucifer in this fall that we're going to go over, and 2/3 did not. It's the same with humanity. We can choose to follow Christ or we can choose not. So going back to what it said here, Shimane, on what you were saying, he says you were the seal of perfection. So, number one, Satan in the kingdom of God. God is absolutely good all the time. Okay, he's nothing but good, and Satan is nothing but evil. People are a mix of good and evil. And that's why it's hard for us to understand the devil. He is absolute evil. If you struggle with perfectionism, this is partly why. Okay, so it says full of wisdom. Notice it didn't say perfect in wisdom. So we see here, God did not give Satan all wisdom. Otherwise he would have seen when he was going to crucify Christ what was going to happen. He did not show him certain things. He was full of wisdom, not perfect in wisdom. God is perfect in wisdom and perfect in beauty. So this is very key. People that have very good looks, okay, many times can become very conceited. And as we go through this progression here, and I'm going to skip a few things as we don't have, he was in Eden, the garden of God. So we know, number one, Eden did not start on the earth. Eden on the earth was a copy of Eden in heaven. And so that's a key that this war broke out in God's Room, front room, in heaven before it did in Earth. Earth is the second campaign of the battle, not the first. And then 14 it says you were the anointed cherub who covered. Most theologians believe that Lucifer covered the throne of God. Okay, Michael the warring angel covered Jesus Christ the Son, and Gabriel the archangel covered the Holy Spirit. Each one of these cherub had one third of God's army under their charge. And we're going to see later here in Revelation, that's why it says the dragon's tail swept one third of the stars out of heaven or one third of the angels. And it says you were perfect. Verse 15 in the. In your ways from the day you were created. Now notice that Satan is a created being. He is not like God, that he was always. Okay. Eternal, it says, till iniquity was found in you. And we're going to get into next one on what the iniquity was that was in Satan's heart. But I think this is very important to understand. Number one is this. The battle started in heaven, not on earth. The battle started in God's front room. And God was a perfect father. So sometimes families that get blown to hell in a handbasket and people after go, what happened? I thought I did this and that. How could this happen to me? Well, guess what? God is well acquainted with war breaking out in his own family and in his own front room. And he was a perfect father. So just fathom that, Shimane. Satan is the one that tries to destroy families.

[Shamane Nugent]

You know what's interesting is that is not only history, it's happening now. And that is what spiritual warfare is all about. That some people might not understand. What lessons Pastor Anthony, should the church be looking at? And us, what lessons can we take from Lucifer's pride and fall?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

That, number one, whatever you have, it's been given by God. And that's why you can't. Pride came from Satan. It is the first sin that anytime there's pride, you're going to see division and war. And what Jesus came to bring, even being in the highest position, was humility. And humility will always destroy Satan's kingdom. Because humility is understanding. Humility is not saying that what you have, you don't have. Okay, people, let's say you have great looks. Humility is not saying you're not a good looking person. What humility says is, whatever I have, looks, intellect, finances, position, whatever I have was given by God for God and I will have to give an account for to God for it because I'm a steward of it. I did not create that in myself. God gave it to me. Satan thought that what he had was because of himself. And that is the sin. When we fall into that, we're in deep yogurt.

[Shamane Nugent]

I like that. Deep, deep yogurt. We started out by talking about Charlie Kirk's funeral and how that looked more like a church service. Do you think, and I think I know your answer to this, that we are living in the end times because of this great awake. Not just because of this great awakening, but because of how all of this has been set up over the ages. And it feels like you told me once before that this is the beginning of the fourth quarter. If we're playing a basketball game.

[Ted Nugent]

Yeah.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

And I still believe that. Jermaine, we're in the fourth quarter. How far in it? Only God knows. And I know people that. And I study Revelation and all the different eschatology and end time books as much as anyone else. Okay. But I will tell you this. There's still a lot of mystery involved in it. And God is going to. He is stingy on certain details of the Bible, but we should know the times and the seasons. That's what it said of the sons of Issachar. They knew the times and seasons and what to do. So we are. This thing is wrapping up how quick it's going to be. There's a lot of different factors in that. But because of that, we should fight valiantly knowing this thing is going to come to an end. Christ is going to return and when he does, he is going to win in a decisive and game over type of way that only he could do.

[Shamane Nugent]

What would you recommend? We've got about one minute left in this segment. You're. I'm blessed enough to have you and our audience is blessed to have you here for another segment. We're going to have to do this more often where we just do Bible study maybe once a month because this show is called Faith and Freedom. What would you recommend to people in our last minute where to get started in the Bible if they've never heard about angels and demons and Satan's fall and pride and Lucifer and all of this?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

I like this may be a little bit wild for some people, but I believe get in the book of Genesis because it's the beginning of all things and get in the book of Revelation. It's kind of like if you've seen the first scene of a movie and then you fast forward it to the end, then you start filling in the gaps in between and a lot of it may not make sense, but you will start to fill in the books. I studied Revelation right after I got saved and I didn't understand most of it, but I fell in love with it because I saw the end of the movie and I knew how the end of the movie was going to play and then it caused me to want to go back and watch the movie from the beginning on. So I would encourage that to people. That's kind of unorthodox advice, but I'm an unorthodox pastor.

[Shamane Nugent]

Well, that's a perfect segue because our next segment we're going to talk about the Book of Revelation. Pastor Anthony where can people find you online?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

We're on Rumble if you put Tip of the spear and then www.tipofthespirechurch.org that's our church website and we do very relevant, impactful videos that I encourage you to watch. If you spend the time and watch them, you're going to get strengthened in your faith. You're going to be equipped and you're going to be ready for the battle.

[Shamane Nugent]

Pastor Anthony Thomas, join us for the next segment and everybody else will be right back. Don't go away.

[Ted Nugent]

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[Shamane Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. Okay, we are out for our daily.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

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[Shamane Nugent]

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[Ted Nugent]

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[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

I mean, if that doesn't sum up Charlie Kirk's life, I don't know what does.

[Shamane Nugent]

I mean, I know, right?

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Satan reserved his best for last and he ended victoriously. You know, Revelation goes back to this war and it's something that we have to understand of when this thing started. Revelation 12:4 says, Speaking of the dragon, it says his tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. So we know this war that broke out in heaven is now on the earth and the dragon stood before the woman. Now, when we study Revelation, there's always dual prophecy. And that means the Bible says, as in the natural, so in the spiritual. So we know this took place when Christ himself was born on the earth, when Satan tried to kill him as a baby. And we also know that there's a company of believers that is going to come before this thing wraps up, that will be overcomers of everything that Satan's going to throw. And it said, and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth. Isn't this interesting? To devour her child as soon as it was born. So number one, we get this. Anytime you see abortion, that's why Satan's always around it, because he is the dragon that goes to devour the brand new babies or the unborn. Number two, anytime God births something in the spirit, in our life, A new opportunity, new situation, something that comes from God. Satan will try to kill it in its infancy state. That's a very important principle. And then Revelation 12, 7, 9 says, and war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought. Isn't that interesting? All of heaven was engaged in this battle. So to be a Christian and think that you're going to live a Christian life and not be in the fight is unbiblical. Because we see in heaven all of the forces fought together, Verse eight. But they did not prevail, nor was a place found from them. That word, place, shaman, in the Greek, is topaz. It's where we get topography or a literal geographical location. So it says they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So what did God do? God kicked their butt out of heaven. Amen. Verse 9. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old called the devil. And Satan, who deceives the whole world, isn't that interesting? He doesn't just come to deceive nations, he deceives the whole world. Which is why when the Antichrist regime comes in and we're watching it start to form, those who are not in Christ, that stand in the truth will be deceived. Jesus said, it will be as the days of Noah. We know in Noah's time, Satan deceived the whole world minus one man. His family ended up getting saved because of it. But only one man was not deceived in the entire world. Think of that, Jermaine. It says he was cast to the earth and his angels were cast out with him. So that is the battle we dwell in right now. Michael and his angels are still fighting. The dragon and his angels are still fighting. And the church should be fighting on behalf of Christ. That's the times we live in right now.

[Shamane Nugent]

And when you say the church, you also mean believers, Those of us who are here battling. I feel a little let down, I'll be honest, by the physical churches that are out there today. Not many. I've always said, anthony, I wish you were in my town, because I'd be going to your church every Sunday or whenever it is, twice a week, three times a week. But so many pastors are afraid to talk about spiritual warfare, to talk about angels and demons and this spiritual war that we're witnessing right now. And like you brought up a few segments ago, they were even afraid to address Charlie Kirk's death. There has never been another human being. I don't think that brought more people to Christ than Charlie Kirk.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes. Well, you look at Shamane, there's three types of church biblically. And I shared this this last weekend.

[Shamane Nugent]

In a service other than church, obviously, other than Jesus. I know I'm going to get feedback.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

No, other than Jesus. The three things, number one, there's the overcomer church and that all the promises in Revelation are to the church. And there were seven different churches to he who overcomes. So there's the church that's the overcoming church or the victorious church. There's the church that's the overcome church. That's the church that's going along to get along, not advancing, not winning. And then there's what the Bible calls the harlot church, which is not a church at all. And I think the Laodicean church, which is the lukewarm church. Jesus said he wanted to vomit that church out of his mouth. Okay, so we look at, there are three different types of biblical churches. Overcomer church, overcome church, and the lukewarm, which leads to the apostate church. And so I think that's where individuals, we don't want to lump churches that are overcoming in. And there's some good churches that are being overcome right now. And I'm hoping this event with Charlie Kirk was a turning point for them and turn them from being overcome to being overcomers. And then there's the apostate church that Jesus doesn't recognize. So I think for your audience out there, you need to identify which one is your church. And if it's an apostate church, get the hell out of there. If it's a church that's being overcome, see if the pastor and the leadership's willing to step in. Maybe they're just uninformed. And then if your church is an overcoming church, then stay there and enjoy and grow and live victoriously. But those are the three biblical churches we see in the Bible.

[Shamane Nugent]

Well, too many of them have especially mega churches have boards that they have to answer to. They have to recite their message during the week before they. They presented on a Sunday morning. And that's what I love about what you do is, is sometimes you might have things planned out and then God moves you to talk about something completely different. And you do.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Absolutely. Because the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is supposed to be leading. He reminds us of the things of Christ. And the Bible's very clear as the Spirit, the Spirit of God knows the deep things of God. So there may. And another scripture says, as the wind blows and you know not which direction it's going. So are those who are born of the Spirit. So the Holy Spirit is going to move whatever way he wants to move. And if we're preachers of the gospel, we have to stay flexible. We call it the Marine Semper Gumby, meaning always flexible, because things will switch in the middle. I've had many times where I prepared a message and God literally five minutes before goes, no, I want you to share something else. And I have learned to just go where the Holy Spirit leads because he will always bring us into the right spot. He knows the will of God, he knows the mind of God, and he knows the deep things of God. And he will always lead us to where Jesus is at. Jesus said, wherever I'm at, my servant will be also. We need the Holy Spirit to lead us where Christ is at right now.

[Shamane Nugent]

Pastor Anthony Thomas, Tip of the Spirit Church, thank you so much for joining me. And I'm hoping you'll come back again soon.

[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

Yes, Shemaine, wonderful time. Thank you and thank dad. It's always a wonderful time to hang out with you guys. I appreciate it.

[Shamane Nugent]

God bless. Okay, this hour went by fast. You know what time it is? Take a look at this.

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[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

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[Pastor Anthony Thomas]

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[Shamane Nugent]

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